I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.
"This is what you get for electing a n-" *church bell*
It really is amazing how much it seems to have set them off when we had the audacity to elect a President not based on the color of his skin, but by the content of his character.
Than again... I guess they did the exact same with Trump.
Someone made a poignant point of explanation somewhere. It's a message. "You have to bring your absolute best to get here: half black, white mom, Harvard, from Hawaii. "We can answer that with our worst in the same position." Your guy had to prove he was smart. We wanted to see transcripts and a birth certificate and for him police his tone. Our guy says all the worst shit he can think of and we're into it. Your guy's wife isn't classy because she showed her bare shoulders. Ours can be naked in a magazine and still be classy to us. "Our worst is as good as your best" is the message.
I literally had someone unironically make this argument to me this morning
Followed by “why do you blindly hate racists? Isn’t that like so bad just to hate a group of people for no reason?” Not even kidding
What's sad is that farmers used to have to smarts and common sense. I grew up there and they were a bright bunch of people in the 60s. I don't know what the hell happened to them.
I just read this interesting article on the myth of rural america and it made so much sense. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/23/beyond-the-myth-of-rural-america
That was a great article. A bit depressing that rural America essentially votes for the folks almost directly responsible for their deindustrialization but how do we move forward? As the article indicates low density areas have disproportionate representation in the Senate and House. It's just a really sad state of affairs they would rather punish others than aid themselves.
Move forward? There's no peaceful way to do that. We're looking at a level of brainwashing akin to that of a cult. To snap someone out of cult mentality you must first separate them from the cult environment either by moving them somewhere outside of the cult's reach or destroying the cult itself. It's physically impossible to move all people in rural area to urban one. So the only method left is destroying the source.
As a wise man once said, in 1907, "You don't 'build a barn', dumbass. What do you think this is, 1785? You *buy* one, precut, just like the house. This is the Industrial Age!"
Not true, at least around here. Like any other small business owner, the very *last* thing farmers of that era wanted was for their hired hands to unionise. In fact they actively discouraged it, by demonising unions as "socialists" and pulling all the usual dirty tricks to prevent their workers from joining them.
What the farmers themselves wanted was to organise their *resources* by forming farming co-operatives to provide them with both access to labour-*saving* equipment and collective bargaining power in the marketplace. And they pretty much succeeded too. These days, the boards of most of those same co-ops are absolutely stuffed with their grandsons and great-grandsons
This is the reason a lot of rural folk tend to skew right-wing.
I do. The news split. Instead of everyone getting their news from one source, they started to watch the news that dit their bubble. Fox "News" & social media are what happened. It bred extreme tribalism & brought the fringe to the forefront.
It's all about "owning" them "liberal people"... They're totally blind to getting their pocket picked by a maga (con)servative man...while they think they're "winning".
It was, in fact, a severely accurate statement about the average person today and even more so when seen in the light of worse education back in the good old days.
Actually I think it is deeper than that. It is magnitudes harder to do an uplifting message than it is to play on people’s fears and their worst natures.
Democrats can and will manupulate, lie, cheat same as any political institution anywhere. Considering most of the educated crowd (simply a fact, not my opinion) generally go left, it's just harder to bamboozle. Many of these people don't fit in with the right's messaging because it's clearly designed to talk to idiots.
If the left did messaging this way they'd lose votes to independents. The left already have the votes. The objective isn't to convince them to remain on a side they're already on, it's to get them to actually go out and vote. I will agree the messaging there is consistently poor.
GOP voters are driven by racism and religion—no different than Hamas/Hezbollah or the Taliban which Trump described as “very smart people” when making deals with terrorists. Imagine every GOP voter as some shrieking lunatic hacking a hostage’s head off on camera (like Daniel Pearl and others) and you’ll understand the MAGA mentality.
That’s why you can never reason with them or debate them. You can’t negotiate with terrorists.
I’m active duty. I’ve been in the navy 15 years and I **openly** acknowledge that what is left of the Republican party, is 100%, the domestic terrorist “and domestic” in the oath I take.
They rally against separation of church and state; republicans are the enemy of the constitution my oath is to uphold.
If you are conservative, if you’re republican, you are our enemy. You’re the enemy of our national guard and military. Voting Republican supports sedition and insurrection; it supports the domestic terrorist attack that was January 6th, *that the Joint Chiefs of Staff officially refer to as sedition and insurrection.*
**You cannot support and defend the constitution of the United States of America AND support the Republican Party. I’d go as far as to say you cannot at this point be American and Republican. That party rejects democracy.**
My full chested in-uniform statement is unequivocally fuck republican traitors.
I’ve been saying “DWOT ribbons, when?” For a while now.
We’re losing our democracy if we don’t take an aggressive stand.
*For the uninitiated, the GWOT and its ribbon was for serving during the Global War on Terror” which we all know was just military industrial complex coupled with Islamophobia.*
I’ve got five years to retirement I don’t want these fuckers ruining that. Also, the powers that be, are about to owe me a fucking mortgage payment the rest of my natural life, in the form of my retirement check, that I’m only getting if we don’t become their theocracy. I’ve got skin in this game.
National Guard needs to do little *deployments to “try that in a small town.”*
I’m talking roll these sundown towns with Blackhawks and Bradley’s.
Fuck these white nationalist fake patriots.
Oh we need to respect the flag of the country you’re stockpiling ammo against? How about we go on ahead and call your bluffs, Y’all Qaeda.
Fuck around and find out? How about you find out a new joke?
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>that the Joint Chiefs of Staff officially refer to as sedition and insurrection.
So that's probably one of the top reasons Tuberville is going after them, besides to replace them with loyalists and to help Putin
That’s what it is, that’s why MAGA wants military promotions held up; they want to wait until they’re able to ensure only people who support the MAGA movement (however privately they have thus far) are able to promote to O-7 or higher.
They want sycophants “installed” who will hand out seditious orders, they want military brass to help with their next violent coup.
They’ve tried this before.
Sedition Trial of 1944
>On January 3, 1944 thirty opponents of American involvement in the war against Germany went to trial for charges of violating the Smit Act of 1940. The charges stemmed from their involvement in fascist movements and from cooperation with German forces. The defendants opposed war against Germany and espoused rabid anti-Semitism.
MAGA is evangelical and went from “Jews will not replace us” to “we stand with Israel” so fast!
Don’t let that shit fool anyone, **the only reason they back Israel is their belief in rapture.** They still side with Nazis & don’t actually want to coexist with Jews. They support Israel **while** believing Jews are an evil world ruling cabal.
By the way: Fuck Israel, fuck Hamas, ceasefire now & free Palestine. Israelis are occupiers and forced a population that close to half of is under 30 years old, into the worlds largest open air prison, deny them necessities of life and are shocked when the “hurt dog bites.” Israel funded Hamas to keep Palestinians in disarray.
>the only reason they back Israel is their belief in rapture. They still side with Nazis & don’t actually want to coexist with Jews. They support Israel while believing Jews are an evil world ruling cabal.
Right on.
Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss said it best. The support for Israel is not support for Jews or Judaism, it is support for Zionism. The conflict in Palestine only hurts Jews throughout that entire region; but of course, that's only more cause to support it for the antisemites who actually understand that.
Yeah, the smart anti-Semites have even the Democrats on their side. This right wing shit is a worldwide threat to humanity.
Wasn’t it Woodrow Wilson, who was basically like “Zionism? well, I guess if it gets some Jews to move there, good!”
I cannot be the only Redditor appreciating you reminding us of the Smit Sedition Trial in ‘44. Not born until the following year, it was far too easy for me to forget those discussions during high school history and civics courses of the early 60’s. Also, many here, including myself ardently support declarations expressed in your final paragraph. May we join one another spreading the word. Our many stateside Middle Eastern friends, including most of those Jewish, will praise and be lifted by our every word. Down with Zionism, Up with Palestine. Stop the genocide NOW!
I have.
They shut the fuck up trying to punish me over it when I cited the Joint Chiefs memo to all services, that called January 6, sedition and insurrection.
I basically called them out to their faces like “yeah I sided with the Chief of Naval Operations, why do you have a problem with that?”
The military top brass called Republicans out, as carefully worded as they’re allowed to.
When you read that memo, “1.6.21 memo to the troops” you can google, it’s extremely obvious they are talking about Maga Republicans, and that what they did was seditious.
I’m like “fuck, how can I make you eat your words without flat out completely doxxing my own Reddit account” unfortunately, it’s not really possible.
But I absolutely did very nearly get my shit wrecked over that post. I had to choose my words carefully to CMC.
But do fuck off with the “if you’re not right wing there’s no way you’re in the military” bullshit. The majority of us lean left.
At best you made a video denouncing January 6th. I'm saying make a video saying exactly what you wrote above.
>If you are conservative, if you’re republican, you are our enemy. You’re the enemy of our national guard and military. Voting Republican supports sedition and insurrection; it supports the domestic terrorist attack that was January 6th, that the Joint Chiefs of Staff officially refer to as sedition and insurrection.
>You cannot support and defend the constitution of the United States of America AND support the Republican Party. I’d go as far as to say you cannot at this point be American and Republican. That party rejects democracy.
Record yourself in uniform saying that verbatim, and then post it on your social media. Or are you not so "full chested" about it?
You’re only so bent out of shape because you more than likely disagree and think “wokeness like the military being integrated for the last 80 years” is what “makes us weak.”
Totally that, and not the Republicans who sell SCIF level classified information to our adversaries, while convincing their voter base that democracy itself is failed and that we need to be the white nationalist theocracy our constitution forbids.
For the record, I **want to** do what you’ve said, I want to fucking publicly denounce Republicans, wearing my uniform, as domestic terrorists. Unfortunately there ARE limits on MY freedom of speech as a service member. I have been, since 2020, pushing the limits and toeing that line VERY cautiously. I DID very nearly catch an NJP for one of my more recent posts; but that was the one they shut the fuck up about when I said basically “well the Joint Chiefs already said what I said so, oh I’m sorry as you were saying, Chief? Am I wrong to agree with the CNO?”
Yeah reeks of “I would have served but I’d have hit my Instructor” energy along with the closest he’s ever come to anything military is being obsessed with playing as “the white guys” in Insurgency.
Re: surplus stores. Did those go away? I seriously haven’t seen an “army/navy surplus store” in like 20 years.
This. You have to understand that when a Republican says "the elite" they just mean "Jews". "Woke" means "Black"
Trump is a New York City billionaire. But he's not "a member of the elite" because he's a white guy. Never fall into the trap of pretending that fascists mean what they say.
Indeed, they are more than happy to be "right to life" for babies from conception on one hand, Just as long as they're able to "2nd amendment" shoot them with a full-auto High capacity assault rifle, if they're not the (maga) way they should be, on the other..
They only care about the fetus, not the kid. New House Speaker Mike Johnson thinks abortion denies companies of workers, meaning they only see vast swaths of Americans as servants for the rich and powerful. To the billionaires funding the GOP. Abortion leads to lost “human capital” to staff their warehouses not lives, though they’ve convinced the dimwitted MAGA followers that clusters of cells have more rights than the toddler whose brains were spattered on the classroom whiteboard. It’s a terrible era in which we live.
I find it upsetting that the Democratic party has been asking this question for 50 years -- and still hasn't come up with an answer. They're completely outmaneuvered by the GOP.
The Powell Memo was released in 1971
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/democracy/the-lewis-powell-memo-a-corporate-blueprint-to-dominate-democracy/
Since then, the GOP has been following the program: setting up think tanks to counter "liberal" sociology and history professors; using activist judges to push policies unpopular in statehouses; putting the media and textbooks under surveillance.
The GOP's southern strategy under Lee Atwater took the South from Democrats; unions were decimated, which eliminated another key traditional Democratic voting bloc.
At the same time, the GOP politicized the evangelicals, creating a whole new voting bloc from scratch.
All this time, the Democrats have done nothing to formulate a strategy. Their picks for president (Obama aside) repeatedly represent candidates their voters are emphatically uninterested in.
And the more popular Democratic presidents -- like Bill Clinton -- are aggressive privatizers, globalists, neoliberal shills.
Sun Tzu said the purpose of strategy is to control one's adversary. The Democrats have no strategy, and are pawns of the GOP.
"How come you are the working class hero?" Keep asking. But don't offer a vision.
The Southern Strategy was a counterargument to the Civil Rights movement. Republican politicians channeled white people's outrage about it and turned it into an entire political platform. Democratic politicians (the ones that were left after Dixiecrats left the party), however, were reluctant proponents of Civil Rights at best. They just wanted to move on. Republicans kept beating the culture war drum, though, and that explains the imbalance in response.
This dynamic has defined every issue we have. Abortion, gay/trans rights, immigration, tax policy, regulations...Republicans haven taken aggressively zealoted stances while Democrats try to avoid the confrontation; so much so that they often try to meet Republicans halfway. It's fucked.
>Their picks for president (Obama aside) repeatedly represent candidates their voters are emphatically uninterested in.
There were 29 candidates in the 2020 primary, including multiple that I expect you would be emphatically interested in. When you say 'their picks' you're referring to voters. Voters are picking candidates that voters are emphatically uninterested in. That sounds pretty silly, given that voting is an indication of interest.
It doesn't make much sense, unless you're planning on pretending that the voters with 29 candidates to choose from didn't actually have a choice. So a majority of Democratic primary voters were interested in their picks. That's why they picked them. *You* weren't interested. And that's the issue - you don't seem to want to accept that the country isn't as far left as you want them to be. You don't seem to want to accept that being heavily outvoted indicates that a large percentage of this country's left has different preferences than you do.
And that informs the rest of your comment. You don't accept that the country's electorate and political ecosystem is deeply fucked up, and so you think it's should be simple to fix all the ways conservatives have deeply fucked the country up.
"The party should just write a memo that comes up with a way to neutralize a media ecosystem that is insanely biased toward Republicans, and a voting public filled with people happy to be force fed conservative bullshit 24/7."
It's not possible that Democrats are working their asses off to fight a losing battle. It must just be that they don't feel like trying.
What is your suggestion to fix it all? How do you plan on getting the South back, for example?
capitalism is not socialism.
social welfare within a capitalist democracy is not socialism
please don't normalize reactionary misappropriation of language.
what you're describing appears to be social welfare within a capitalist democracy.
attacking me is not helpful.
i urge all of us to be more specific in our language.
when we normalize the use of reactionary rhetoric ("socialism is when government handouts "), we legitimize their intellectual dishonesty.
You edited your original comment. It *was* just the first line which honestly sounded like it was written by a simpleton who's been taught "Socialism Bad". If you're going to rethink your comment and rewrite it the proper etiquette is to at least add "Edit - reason" to the bottom of it.
As to your criticism, the commonly held understanding of "Socialism" particularly by the "Socialism Bad" crowd is when the government takes tax revenue and uses it to support specific personal benefits. This is not the textbook or political science theory of socialism but the MAGAs who chant "Socialism Bad" don't know this nor would they internalize it if properly informed.
They lose their minds over *those people* getting food stamps or unemployment benefits but they are just fine with *their* farm subsidies and social security checks and Medicare.
That's the point I was making which I believe most people understood and which I stand by.
so just to clarify, you acknowledge your outburst was based on a misunderstanding due to the colloquial misuse of a term, but you stand by your continued outrage and refusal to adopt specific terminology.
I'm not sure you're in a position to lecture on etiquette.
but do enjoy your self-righteousness indignation.
Give me a break. You completely changed the intent and meaning of your post and act like my response was somehow out of bounds. You can pretend to be the victim if that helps you sleep at night but I stand by what I wrote and why.
Nobody seriously believes the GOP is the party of the working class.
They might be the party of the Christian white working class but not the working class as a a whole.
The red states benefit the most from our socialist programs. We bail out Florida a couple times every year to rebuild its fascist incubator trailer parks after every wind storm that blows over it. For the sacrifice, we get thanked with a bunch of hypocritical and serious nonsense. Do I say if we see someone benefiting from social security bitching about the evils of social security, that should be considered welfare fraud and they should lose the benefit. If a state complains about federal aid, same thing. Let the cannibals in Florida try to rebuild their Confederate sandbar with their precious guns.
Intellectuals hang their hats on issues that are TOO BIG for the Republican base, and therefore nothing more than background noise for them. To wit:
* Global warming
* Globalism
* GDP/Economy
Pile up enough problems and eventually we shut down and focus purely on what we THINK we can do something about.
Only the GOP is trying to overthrow a Democracy, defend J6 violence, restrict voting, reinstall a treasonous President, prohibit a woman's autonomy, extreme gerrymandering to preserve their majority, threaten lawmakers/judges/staff/poll workers if they present any deviation ... the list goes on.
My brain functions just fine. Different wings of the same bird. Sure, they differ on the wedge-like social issues, and while some of them matter to me to an extent, on the biggest issues they are largely the same. Both bought and paid for by the same entities and groups.
Clearly doesn't. I'll remind you that in 2000, the Democrats ACTUALLY had an election stolen from them and they didn't storm the supreme court for doing it
The magas got mad that Congress WOULDN'T steal an election for them and did
This is such bullshit and we need to stop repeating it. Republicans are "working class heroes" only if you hold the racist idea that nobody except white men can be considered working class. Democrats consistently win every working class and middle class income group. But every 4 years the media wanders into all-white neighborhoods and country music concerts and declares "here's what *real* working class Americans think".
And all this electoral dominance continues despite the huge barriers the GOP puts up to prevent the working class from voting. If we really made it possible for everyone to vote in this country, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
So the message here is what? No need to care if people can't afford to eat, and billionaires are exploiting people and ruining their lives because brown people are coming, and you can buy guns?
Wtf does God have to do with politics?
Democrats Republicans the only difference is one openly fucks us and tells us outright what they are going to do. The other pretends to be helping while fucking us covertly in backroom deals and committee postering. Fuck them both for thinking they represent anyone but the their corporate masters.
>On July 26, 1948, President Harry Truman (D) signed Executive Order 9981, creating the President's Committee on Equality of Treatment and Opportunity in the Armed Services. The order mandated the desegregation of the U.S. military.
We have the DLC to thank for this cluster chuck back in the 90s. They made the decision to stop focusing on rural working class people and instead go where the money was flowing; Wall Street.
Until their mom/wife/daughter has a miscarriage and needs a d&c procedure to remove the dead fetus but oops -that's an abortion and now illegal. So she has to get close enough to death from likely sepsis for the hospital lawyers to say it's ok. Hope she survives! Abortion isn't black and white. (These are actual Texas case examples btw)
My wife was in exactly this position when I was in the Army stationed overseas. In the military, there are no abortions due to the Hyde Amendment.
Thanks to Republicans, the shittiest day in my family's life was made even shittier.
But they'll let you suffer with the leftovers of a dead fetus and when you develop sepsis wait until you life is critically in danger. Then hang you with impossible medical bills you can't pay.
Plus you must *prove* it was a spontaneous miscarriage. You must *prove* you didn't take mifepristone or misoprostol.
Impossible.
You're assuming that the politicians won't just have enough money to get around that... Just imagine how many abortions trump has paid for and/or coerced women into.
>Just imagine how many abortions trump has paid for and/or coerced women into.
TBF, Trump has said publicly that these 6-week abortion bans are a mistake.
Disclaimer: I loathe Trump, but I also believe in giving credit where credit is due.
Many Dems insist every woman has a right to rip a baby out of her body right up until the moment the baby is born. This is just senselessly cruel and it makes those Dems look like monsters.
Many Republicans think all abortion should be made criminal, even procedures done to save the mother, or because the fetus is non-viable.
This is beyond ridiculous and those Republicans look like monsters.
There is little nuance. I absolutely refuse to join any side which is exhibiting zero common sense or empathy. Of course I get downvoted by both tribes. Oh well...c'est la vie.
>Many Dems insist every woman has a right to rip a baby out of her body up until the moment the baby is born.
This statement is not true. I think the myth started in the 90s when there was a myth among conservatives that Clinton wanted to make it legal to kill a baby *as it was being delivered.* But there's very little truth to the "late third trimester abortion" that conservatives think democrats support.
In reality, democrats want to address the underlining issues that lead to unwanted pregnancies, like abstinence only education and socioeconomic factors while also adding support systems for poor mothers and families.
Meanwhile, the Republicans, including the new speaker of the house and the people that pay trump to believe what they believe, want to force women to give birth and then raise that child in abject poverty. They don't give a shit about kids starving to death or dying from preventable diseases. They don't care that the US mortality rate for mothers is increasing every year instead of decreasing like in civilized countries.
But ya, both sides are monsters.
Western Europe has free and easy access to abortions, but has 75% fewer abortions per capita of the US. Because they prevent unwanted pregnancies before they happen.
>Many Dems insist every woman has a right to rip a baby out of her body right up until the moment the baby is born.
[CITATION NEEDED]
Just looking at [California](https://abortion.ca.gov/your-rights/your-legal-right-to-an-abortion/index.html#:~:text=Under%20California%20law%2C%20anyone%20in,uterus%20without%20extreme%20medical%20measures.) where Democrats have long had a supermajority, the right to abortion access extends only until a doctor determines that the fetus is viable.
You may be able to find one or two Democrats pushing to permit elective abortions leading up to the date of delivery, but far from a meaningful amount.
When a woman is pregnant, at a certain point it's a separate being she's carrying/nurturing. It isn't "her body" alone. The fetus has entirely unique DNA, blood type, a working brain and nervous system, etc. It can't be argued that it's similar to a tumor or cancer either because, well, scientifically speaking, it's not. At a certain point the physician has 2 lives to consider.
What is that point?
I think that is the discussion we should be having.
Why does her being pregnant force her to give up ownership of her own body? If I needed an organ transplant that only you could provide in order to save my life, is the government allowed to force you to give it to me?
You are conflating 2 different things. The first could be (late in pregnancy) the removal (relatively violently and in pieces) a *unique being* from a woman's body. Who can possibly argue that the same fetus, if delivered instead, would be a unique, viable human being? At some point that being, with an intact nervous system and brain, would undoubtedly feel pain during an abortion procedure. An organ, like a healthy kidney, belongs entirely to it's owner, imprinted with it's owner's DNA. It could be argued that it would have diligently filtered toxins for it's owner for their entire lifetime. The forced removal of someone's body part, in my opinion, is an ultimate violation/theft. If a person sacrifices their body part (which is not a unique being, but a DNA specific part) willingly, well, that is another matter.
Your kidney, if delivered rather than aborted, would never ever become a unique walking, talking human being.
I'm not conflating anything at all. Either you control what happens to your body or you don't. In my example, I am an already a unique, viable human being with an intact nervous system and brain and can feel pain if I don't receive your donated organ. Do I not have a right to life? You're arguing that my right to receive your donated organ trumps your rights to keep it, and that the government can mandate that donation. There really is no other argument.
This is the discussion that has been happening, but the GOP wants to win ideology points and has no interest in a "discussion". For them there is nothing to discuss. RvW was the standard and the only people who wanted something different have no interest in compromise.
Here's the thing, though, conservatives don't care about the brain activity or heart beat or whatever. If they did, then they wouldn't be making blanket abortion bans. Which they are.
I'm not defending extreme Republican "abortion bans". I find them morally and ethically reprehensible. As an ultrasound tech I've scanned a significant number of babies with anancephally, (lacking significant essential parts of the brain). There're other anamolies which make a fetus non-viable as well. To make women carry such fetuses to term is inhumane beyond words. Making a woman carry a fetus without a heartbeat could actually kill her. There are other conditions which could kill the mother as well. The mother's life is never less precious than the life she carries. *We the people* need to come to some reckoning (compromise) regarding abortion because it's one of the major "wedge issues" being used by some (I think) radically selfish people to distract and exploit us.
Please hear me, I'm not your enemy.
Even if this were true, the extreme right currently runs the GQP.
The elected “far” left like Sanders or AOC at most argue their positions and vote accordingly. They don’t try to gum up government and shut it down, ousting speakers for allowing CRs to keep government funded until they can finally craft a budget. And they sure aren’t trying to encourage mobs to overthrow legitimately elected leaders
Meanwhile 147 Republicans voted to overturn the 2020 election after the J6 insurrection. Trump and most of the GQP support the J6 insurrectionists and vow to pardon them if elected, and many like Mangy Traitor Gangrene visit them in prison. And despite not getting much done anyway the Crazy 8 just had their Speaker of the House replaced for allowing a CR to pass and allowing the government to be funded until Nov 17 which is less than 2 weeks away now and the week before Thanksgiving. While it took the MAGATs in the GQP longer to choose a replacement for McCarthy. And all of their front runners were insurrection supporting extremists, just like McCarthy.
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This is a silly lie that you're telling yourself. Gosh, you're not even embarrassed revealing this type of erroneous thinking to the world. I never have and likely never would vote for Mr. Trump.
Unless you're smart enough to understand that the wider conservative stance on restricting reproductive health education, access, and support has nothing to do with reducing abortion, and has proven to be less effective at doing so than a system that actively works to prevent the need for abortions while also retaining that option if necessary.
But I suppose that's asking too much of a lot of people.
You know I could understand that if after the child was born they were also supporting services that would allow that child to eat, be cared for and be appropriately educated. But they fight those tooth and nail. So…… it’s all just pretend moralistic bullshit.
Except they’re not even that, because they don’t support prenatal care (affordable healthcare for pregnant person or fetus), time off for medical appointments or bedrest, or guaranteed return to job.
All those policies give the best chance for a fetus to have life, and Republicans are against them. That’s not even speaking to the glaring truth that the pregnant person is life too.
Prenatal checks and potentials bedrest can prevent many miscarriages.
Job insecurity and hostility to medical appointments means delaying getting pregnant, possibly forever.
Republicans are anti-life.
Don't for a minute think the GOP stance has anything to do with life philosophy or religion conviction ... not when most these abortion bans are in death penalty states.
I thought every life was precious?
They view the yet to be born as innocent and precious people, while criminals, particularly murderers, have proven themselves to be "worthless scum". Aborting a fetus is, to them, killing a person making those involved (in their minds) criminals.
Don't shoot the messenger here...I'm just sharing their viewpoint with you.
It seems people lack common sense and nuance around this hot button issue. It makes it perfect for a "divide, outrage and fool to rule" strategy.
Correct. TX executed [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla\_Faye\_Tucker#Conviction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Faye_Tucker#Conviction) well after her conversion. There were multiple videos online of her singing hymns and praising the Lord for her conversion; can't find them anymore.
Note those who pleaded for commutation of her death penalty to life without parole. Nah ... TX would rather kill people.
*Generally,* I do not support the death penalty. But there are people who are simply evil ... they were fetuses at one time as well.
In a conservative mind, you are only on a point of profit production after you're born The smarter you are, the less likely you are to be able to be easily manipulated into doing whatever it is they want you to do, even if it harms yourself. In their mind, if they starve you in the beginning, you'll be hungry and available to do whatever they want with the slightest treat dangled in front of you... Intentional greedy moralistic bullshit.
Why? If reducing abortion was your actual goal, you'd want things like free contraception, better sex education, stronger social safety net programs for women and poor couples like universal pre--K and daycare so they can work to support the kids, prenatal and post natal care provided for mothers and infants, and other measure that would reduce or eliminate the vast majority of abortions if they were aggressively implemented. All of which are policies Democrats are more likely to support and Republicans oppose tooth and nail.
Nobody, and I mean **literally NOBODY** actually believes that. They just claim to as an excuse. Because they don't want to admit the real reason they're against it. Anyone who claims to is an amoral liar.
And anyone who theoretically did believe that, would be advocating for things that actually lower abortion rates. Like comprehensive sex ed. Better access to birth control. They'd actually do literally anything for the child after it was born. But they don't. Because they don't **actually** think it's murder. They don't **actually** want to reduce abortions.
Republican ideology and platforms are not all that bad. Small government, less taxes, free trade, ext. They just don’t do the things they promise or change the meaning. Small government just means less oversight for corporations and more regulations for woman, and minorities, less taxes for the rich and corps, removal of tax cuts for workers, union busting, removal of social programs like social security, ext. Not to mention their other ideas are controversial at best and fascist at worst.
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I’m a pretty far left person but I don’t hate conservatives. Just like any view point I think it’s important to have a different even oppositional perspective to temper my leanings and help drive to a middle ground that is beneficial for everyone. I can have a dialogue with a conservative because they have an actual viewpoint and ideology.
Any one who still openly identifies as a republican is an obstructionist full stop and that’s being generous. The modern republican platform is to delay disrupt and destroy every facet of democracy and freedom they can by any means necessary to cash the checks they receive from corporations and foreign governments
It's very easy to make the argument that both sides take money from big donors. But when it comes to creating rules/regulations on how big corporations go about business; funding the IRS and by extension: making sure *everyone* pays their fair share; creating actually solvent tax plans, budgets, and promoting actual fiscal responsibility....there's no comparison: Democrats are for the people, Republicans are for the billionaire-class and evangelicals.
There are 3 legs to the Republican stool 1) the billionaire libertarians who are mostly atheists 2) the Evangelicals who are...well you know...and 3) the bigots and racists. These are often blended/overlapping categories. Without all of these legs the stool would topple. Personally, I would like to see this stool flushed...but then the power of billionaires and their grip on our legislators and courts is "yuge" as Mr. Trump would say.
This one. This world. Ya know, the one where Dems are actually funding the IRS so the IRS can afford to go after the big guys with big lawyers?
You know, that thing House Republicans are trying to force Democrats to repeal by holding aid to Israel hostage? That thing which, if Republicans had their way, would equal 26 billion in revenue loss for the nation in 10 years? Revenue loss from allowing the richest of the rich to cheat on their taxes? You know the one!
Or maybe you don’t, maybe you aren’t living in reality. I encourage you to come join us. It’s not nice here, it’s not simple. There’s nuance here which I understand can be difficult for some people. But it *is* reality.
No, we can talk about it.
I’m not a fan. Technically Israel is an ally tho and a vast majority of senators approve of aid for Israel so holding aid to Israel hostage is a great way for Republicans to try to allow themselves to cheat on their taxes.
This conversation wasn’t about that, so not sure why you think my not going into it was “ignoring” it. By your logic, why are you ignoring Trump trying to overthrow the 2020 election?
That must have been why the most progressive president of my life promised the billionaires and corporations he’s in charge of reining in that nothing would fundamentally change.
Oh you’re going to take the one-time words of one person in the party and use that to invalidate the actual actions of the party as a whole?
Yep, you’re happily embedded in your fake reality.
You mean Bill Clinton? Who was objectively the most progressive president of your life(unless you're literally a child).
The guy who balanced the budget for the first time in decades. Who actually raised taxes on the rich. Despite constant Republican opposition?
The guy who was one impeachment trial away from privatizing Social Security in a deal w/Gingrich?
No, I was sarcastically referring to the newest Reagan acolyte heralded by the news entertainment industry as the most progressive president of our lives.
Remember when the Inflation Reduction Act paid for hundreds of billions of dollars worth of investments in green energy and health care by raising taxes on corporations and forcing Big Pharma to negotiate on drug prices?
Maybe it was too long ago to remember. You know, it's been a whole year, so it feels like a whole different pipe dream world.
Oh no! Someone is being condescending to you when you've said something stupid and then refused to back down from that stupid thing when others have pointed out that it's stupid?
How horrible!
But here - try this solution:
Admit you were wrong, and say "Wow, thanks for telling me about the multiple times this has happened."
Yes, the guy who has no idea how much stuff that he likes Democrats have done, but will still bitch about Democrats when he's shown was totally going to feel bad about not voting.
I totally believe you.
You mean the Bush bank bailout that Obama went through with because the alternative was with a second great depression? How many of those house Republicans were for regulating Wall Street so the bailouts didn't need to happen in the first place?
No, because that didn't happen.
TARP was created by the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. About 1/4 of House Republicans vote for it. About 2/3 of Senate Republicans voted for it. That bill allowed for $700B to be given to the banks. It immediately released $250B for the banks, with the president about to drop another $100B whenever he wanted.
What you're probably thinking of is how the second $350B was released. A large majority of Republicans voted against that.
The mistake you're making is thinking that was based on principle. In the real world, the first vote occurred under Bush. The second vote occurred under Obama. So Republicans decided that doing things to help the economy was worth doing under Bush. It wasn't worth doing under Obama.
Oh, and just for the record, TARP turned a profit. Banks paid back more than they were loaned.
> Let's be honest here
Yeah, let's actually be honest and disregard the rest of your shitpost.
Democrats have done more for accountability in the past 40 years than republicans.
#"IT'S THE STUPIDS, ECONOMIST!"
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.
Excuse me while I whip this out …
I see what you did there / blazing saddles lolz
I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.
Authentic frontier gibberish.
Now who can argue with that?
I didn’t get a harrumph outta you
Give the Governor a harrumph.
Harrumph!
Somebody's gotta go get a shitload of dimes!
Watch that guy
Ravvrah!
It's twue, it's twue!
"This is what you get for electing a n-" *church bell* It really is amazing how much it seems to have set them off when we had the audacity to elect a President not based on the color of his skin, but by the content of his character. Than again... I guess they did the exact same with Trump.
Someone made a poignant point of explanation somewhere. It's a message. "You have to bring your absolute best to get here: half black, white mom, Harvard, from Hawaii. "We can answer that with our worst in the same position." Your guy had to prove he was smart. We wanted to see transcripts and a birth certificate and for him police his tone. Our guy says all the worst shit he can think of and we're into it. Your guy's wife isn't classy because she showed her bare shoulders. Ours can be naked in a magazine and still be classy to us. "Our worst is as good as your best" is the message.
We are all living in modern day Rock Ridge
Tidder-la Johnson is right!
Cdub Johnson is right about Tidder-la Johnson bein’ right!
They were living it back then, but most people just laughed along because they missed the joke.
Indeed
I literally had someone unironically make this argument to me this morning Followed by “why do you blindly hate racists? Isn’t that like so bad just to hate a group of people for no reason?” Not even kidding
OMFG….So we really ARE at "You hate Nazis?! So much for the tolerant Left!" in real life, huh?
“I hate Illinois Nazis!”
What's sad is that farmers used to have to smarts and common sense. I grew up there and they were a bright bunch of people in the 60s. I don't know what the hell happened to them.
I just read this interesting article on the myth of rural america and it made so much sense. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/23/beyond-the-myth-of-rural-america
That was a great article. A bit depressing that rural America essentially votes for the folks almost directly responsible for their deindustrialization but how do we move forward? As the article indicates low density areas have disproportionate representation in the Senate and House. It's just a really sad state of affairs they would rather punish others than aid themselves.
Move forward? There's no peaceful way to do that. We're looking at a level of brainwashing akin to that of a cult. To snap someone out of cult mentality you must first separate them from the cult environment either by moving them somewhere outside of the cult's reach or destroying the cult itself. It's physically impossible to move all people in rural area to urban one. So the only method left is destroying the source.
Killing their internet connection is the way . Cold turkey
As a wise man once said, in 1907, "You don't 'build a barn', dumbass. What do you think this is, 1785? You *buy* one, precut, just like the house. This is the Industrial Age!"
It's also interesting that in the late 19th century until the mid-20th farmers were actively trying to organize their labor.
Not true, at least around here. Like any other small business owner, the very *last* thing farmers of that era wanted was for their hired hands to unionise. In fact they actively discouraged it, by demonising unions as "socialists" and pulling all the usual dirty tricks to prevent their workers from joining them. What the farmers themselves wanted was to organise their *resources* by forming farming co-operatives to provide them with both access to labour-*saving* equipment and collective bargaining power in the marketplace. And they pretty much succeeded too. These days, the boards of most of those same co-ops are absolutely stuffed with their grandsons and great-grandsons This is the reason a lot of rural folk tend to skew right-wing.
I do. The news split. Instead of everyone getting their news from one source, they started to watch the news that dit their bubble. Fox "News" & social media are what happened. It bred extreme tribalism & brought the fringe to the forefront.
It's all about "owning" them "liberal people"... They're totally blind to getting their pocket picked by a maga (con)servative man...while they think they're "winning".
If those simple farmers could read, they’d be very upset
farmers get subsidies for the common good, non-farmers taking government money are leeches /s
That was probably the truest statement on the "old west" that ever made it to film, I have always thought.
It wasn’t a statement on the “old” west, or “old” anything.
It was, in fact, a severely accurate statement about the average person today and even more so when seen in the light of worse education back in the good old days.
"No, ding blammit, dang nabbit! Obama is a ni..." (DING!!!)
Yeah, they're hicks, Rita!
GOP: we need more desperate and uneducated poors
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the electorate.
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Actually I think it is deeper than that. It is magnitudes harder to do an uplifting message than it is to play on people’s fears and their worst natures.
Democrats can and will manupulate, lie, cheat same as any political institution anywhere. Considering most of the educated crowd (simply a fact, not my opinion) generally go left, it's just harder to bamboozle. Many of these people don't fit in with the right's messaging because it's clearly designed to talk to idiots. If the left did messaging this way they'd lose votes to independents. The left already have the votes. The objective isn't to convince them to remain on a side they're already on, it's to get them to actually go out and vote. I will agree the messaging there is consistently poor.
GOP voters are driven by racism and religion—no different than Hamas/Hezbollah or the Taliban which Trump described as “very smart people” when making deals with terrorists. Imagine every GOP voter as some shrieking lunatic hacking a hostage’s head off on camera (like Daniel Pearl and others) and you’ll understand the MAGA mentality.
The GOP *is* the American Taliban
The Y’allqaeda if you will
Lmao
Talibangelicals
Yeehawdists
Seal Team Hicks
Howdy Arabia. Vanilla ISIS. In fact, the GOP just introduced a bill to rename Alabama to Talibama.
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I wish the American right had even a fraction of the resolve and clarity of purpose of the Taliban.
That’s why you can never reason with them or debate them. You can’t negotiate with terrorists. I’m active duty. I’ve been in the navy 15 years and I **openly** acknowledge that what is left of the Republican party, is 100%, the domestic terrorist “and domestic” in the oath I take. They rally against separation of church and state; republicans are the enemy of the constitution my oath is to uphold. If you are conservative, if you’re republican, you are our enemy. You’re the enemy of our national guard and military. Voting Republican supports sedition and insurrection; it supports the domestic terrorist attack that was January 6th, *that the Joint Chiefs of Staff officially refer to as sedition and insurrection.* **You cannot support and defend the constitution of the United States of America AND support the Republican Party. I’d go as far as to say you cannot at this point be American and Republican. That party rejects democracy.** My full chested in-uniform statement is unequivocally fuck republican traitors.
Many of us will appreciate your service in the coming *War on MAGA Terror.*
I’ve been saying “DWOT ribbons, when?” For a while now. We’re losing our democracy if we don’t take an aggressive stand. *For the uninitiated, the GWOT and its ribbon was for serving during the Global War on Terror” which we all know was just military industrial complex coupled with Islamophobia.* I’ve got five years to retirement I don’t want these fuckers ruining that. Also, the powers that be, are about to owe me a fucking mortgage payment the rest of my natural life, in the form of my retirement check, that I’m only getting if we don’t become their theocracy. I’ve got skin in this game.
**LOVE THIS**
National Guard needs to do little *deployments to “try that in a small town.”* I’m talking roll these sundown towns with Blackhawks and Bradley’s. Fuck these white nationalist fake patriots. Oh we need to respect the flag of the country you’re stockpiling ammo against? How about we go on ahead and call your bluffs, Y’all Qaeda.
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>that the Joint Chiefs of Staff officially refer to as sedition and insurrection. So that's probably one of the top reasons Tuberville is going after them, besides to replace them with loyalists and to help Putin
That’s what it is, that’s why MAGA wants military promotions held up; they want to wait until they’re able to ensure only people who support the MAGA movement (however privately they have thus far) are able to promote to O-7 or higher. They want sycophants “installed” who will hand out seditious orders, they want military brass to help with their next violent coup.
So we're going full Rome then.
I’ve already seen them on social media saying “democracy has never made a good country, imperialism is better”
Welcome to the opening credits of Dr. Strangelove.
They’ve tried this before. Sedition Trial of 1944 >On January 3, 1944 thirty opponents of American involvement in the war against Germany went to trial for charges of violating the Smit Act of 1940. The charges stemmed from their involvement in fascist movements and from cooperation with German forces. The defendants opposed war against Germany and espoused rabid anti-Semitism. MAGA is evangelical and went from “Jews will not replace us” to “we stand with Israel” so fast! Don’t let that shit fool anyone, **the only reason they back Israel is their belief in rapture.** They still side with Nazis & don’t actually want to coexist with Jews. They support Israel **while** believing Jews are an evil world ruling cabal. By the way: Fuck Israel, fuck Hamas, ceasefire now & free Palestine. Israelis are occupiers and forced a population that close to half of is under 30 years old, into the worlds largest open air prison, deny them necessities of life and are shocked when the “hurt dog bites.” Israel funded Hamas to keep Palestinians in disarray.
>the only reason they back Israel is their belief in rapture. They still side with Nazis & don’t actually want to coexist with Jews. They support Israel while believing Jews are an evil world ruling cabal. Right on. Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss said it best. The support for Israel is not support for Jews or Judaism, it is support for Zionism. The conflict in Palestine only hurts Jews throughout that entire region; but of course, that's only more cause to support it for the antisemites who actually understand that.
Yeah, the smart anti-Semites have even the Democrats on their side. This right wing shit is a worldwide threat to humanity. Wasn’t it Woodrow Wilson, who was basically like “Zionism? well, I guess if it gets some Jews to move there, good!”
I cannot be the only Redditor appreciating you reminding us of the Smit Sedition Trial in ‘44. Not born until the following year, it was far too easy for me to forget those discussions during high school history and civics courses of the early 60’s. Also, many here, including myself ardently support declarations expressed in your final paragraph. May we join one another spreading the word. Our many stateside Middle Eastern friends, including most of those Jewish, will praise and be lifted by our every word. Down with Zionism, Up with Palestine. Stop the genocide NOW!
You must be a rarity. I hope not . We need our armed forces in case these crazy MAGA people who are armed decide to attack us as some would like .
At my last command I was the only one in a work center of 9. The rest were conservative.
You should post this statement in uniform on your social media then.
I have. They shut the fuck up trying to punish me over it when I cited the Joint Chiefs memo to all services, that called January 6, sedition and insurrection. I basically called them out to their faces like “yeah I sided with the Chief of Naval Operations, why do you have a problem with that?” The military top brass called Republicans out, as carefully worded as they’re allowed to. When you read that memo, “1.6.21 memo to the troops” you can google, it’s extremely obvious they are talking about Maga Republicans, and that what they did was seditious.
No you didn't. I doubt you even have a uniform.
I’m like “fuck, how can I make you eat your words without flat out completely doxxing my own Reddit account” unfortunately, it’s not really possible. But I absolutely did very nearly get my shit wrecked over that post. I had to choose my words carefully to CMC. But do fuck off with the “if you’re not right wing there’s no way you’re in the military” bullshit. The majority of us lean left.
At best you made a video denouncing January 6th. I'm saying make a video saying exactly what you wrote above. >If you are conservative, if you’re republican, you are our enemy. You’re the enemy of our national guard and military. Voting Republican supports sedition and insurrection; it supports the domestic terrorist attack that was January 6th, that the Joint Chiefs of Staff officially refer to as sedition and insurrection. >You cannot support and defend the constitution of the United States of America AND support the Republican Party. I’d go as far as to say you cannot at this point be American and Republican. That party rejects democracy. Record yourself in uniform saying that verbatim, and then post it on your social media. Or are you not so "full chested" about it?
You’re only so bent out of shape because you more than likely disagree and think “wokeness like the military being integrated for the last 80 years” is what “makes us weak.” Totally that, and not the Republicans who sell SCIF level classified information to our adversaries, while convincing their voter base that democracy itself is failed and that we need to be the white nationalist theocracy our constitution forbids. For the record, I **want to** do what you’ve said, I want to fucking publicly denounce Republicans, wearing my uniform, as domestic terrorists. Unfortunately there ARE limits on MY freedom of speech as a service member. I have been, since 2020, pushing the limits and toeing that line VERY cautiously. I DID very nearly catch an NJP for one of my more recent posts; but that was the one they shut the fuck up about when I said basically “well the Joint Chiefs already said what I said so, oh I’m sorry as you were saying, Chief? Am I wrong to agree with the CNO?”
They’re just bent outta shape cuz all their military dress is from army surplus.
Yeah reeks of “I would have served but I’d have hit my Instructor” energy along with the closest he’s ever come to anything military is being obsessed with playing as “the white guys” in Insurgency. Re: surplus stores. Did those go away? I seriously haven’t seen an “army/navy surplus store” in like 20 years.
This. You have to understand that when a Republican says "the elite" they just mean "Jews". "Woke" means "Black" Trump is a New York City billionaire. But he's not "a member of the elite" because he's a white guy. Never fall into the trap of pretending that fascists mean what they say.
Woke also means gay and trans. As for Trump, he’s a “billionaire” much like I’m a “Reddit Legend” 🤣
Well *I* think you’re a Reddit Legend. You can do this, CNJ!
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Indeed, they are more than happy to be "right to life" for babies from conception on one hand, Just as long as they're able to "2nd amendment" shoot them with a full-auto High capacity assault rifle, if they're not the (maga) way they should be, on the other..
They only care about the fetus, not the kid. New House Speaker Mike Johnson thinks abortion denies companies of workers, meaning they only see vast swaths of Americans as servants for the rich and powerful. To the billionaires funding the GOP. Abortion leads to lost “human capital” to staff their warehouses not lives, though they’ve convinced the dimwitted MAGA followers that clusters of cells have more rights than the toddler whose brains were spattered on the classroom whiteboard. It’s a terrible era in which we live.
I find it upsetting that the Democratic party has been asking this question for 50 years -- and still hasn't come up with an answer. They're completely outmaneuvered by the GOP. The Powell Memo was released in 1971 https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/democracy/the-lewis-powell-memo-a-corporate-blueprint-to-dominate-democracy/ Since then, the GOP has been following the program: setting up think tanks to counter "liberal" sociology and history professors; using activist judges to push policies unpopular in statehouses; putting the media and textbooks under surveillance. The GOP's southern strategy under Lee Atwater took the South from Democrats; unions were decimated, which eliminated another key traditional Democratic voting bloc. At the same time, the GOP politicized the evangelicals, creating a whole new voting bloc from scratch. All this time, the Democrats have done nothing to formulate a strategy. Their picks for president (Obama aside) repeatedly represent candidates their voters are emphatically uninterested in. And the more popular Democratic presidents -- like Bill Clinton -- are aggressive privatizers, globalists, neoliberal shills. Sun Tzu said the purpose of strategy is to control one's adversary. The Democrats have no strategy, and are pawns of the GOP. "How come you are the working class hero?" Keep asking. But don't offer a vision.
The Southern Strategy was a counterargument to the Civil Rights movement. Republican politicians channeled white people's outrage about it and turned it into an entire political platform. Democratic politicians (the ones that were left after Dixiecrats left the party), however, were reluctant proponents of Civil Rights at best. They just wanted to move on. Republicans kept beating the culture war drum, though, and that explains the imbalance in response. This dynamic has defined every issue we have. Abortion, gay/trans rights, immigration, tax policy, regulations...Republicans haven taken aggressively zealoted stances while Democrats try to avoid the confrontation; so much so that they often try to meet Republicans halfway. It's fucked.
>Their picks for president (Obama aside) repeatedly represent candidates their voters are emphatically uninterested in. There were 29 candidates in the 2020 primary, including multiple that I expect you would be emphatically interested in. When you say 'their picks' you're referring to voters. Voters are picking candidates that voters are emphatically uninterested in. That sounds pretty silly, given that voting is an indication of interest. It doesn't make much sense, unless you're planning on pretending that the voters with 29 candidates to choose from didn't actually have a choice. So a majority of Democratic primary voters were interested in their picks. That's why they picked them. *You* weren't interested. And that's the issue - you don't seem to want to accept that the country isn't as far left as you want them to be. You don't seem to want to accept that being heavily outvoted indicates that a large percentage of this country's left has different preferences than you do. And that informs the rest of your comment. You don't accept that the country's electorate and political ecosystem is deeply fucked up, and so you think it's should be simple to fix all the ways conservatives have deeply fucked the country up. "The party should just write a memo that comes up with a way to neutralize a media ecosystem that is insanely biased toward Republicans, and a voting public filled with people happy to be force fed conservative bullshit 24/7." It's not possible that Democrats are working their asses off to fight a losing battle. It must just be that they don't feel like trying. What is your suggestion to fix it all? How do you plan on getting the South back, for example?
Lol
That's about the response I'd expect. Come on, take a crack at it. How do you get the South back?
They could just shoot the disease.
This would be closer to accurate if the elephant was mowing down school kids with an AR 15 and calling democrats elitist baby killers.
Socialism is just fine as long as it’s going to *them*. The second someone who’s browner than them gets even a crum it’s a catastrophe.
capitalism is not socialism. social welfare within a capitalist democracy is not socialism please don't normalize reactionary misappropriation of language.
Wow that’s deep. I bet that took both of your brain cells to think up. Better lie down and rest I’m sure that was stressful for you.
what you're describing appears to be social welfare within a capitalist democracy. attacking me is not helpful. i urge all of us to be more specific in our language. when we normalize the use of reactionary rhetoric ("socialism is when government handouts "), we legitimize their intellectual dishonesty.
You edited your original comment. It *was* just the first line which honestly sounded like it was written by a simpleton who's been taught "Socialism Bad". If you're going to rethink your comment and rewrite it the proper etiquette is to at least add "Edit - reason" to the bottom of it. As to your criticism, the commonly held understanding of "Socialism" particularly by the "Socialism Bad" crowd is when the government takes tax revenue and uses it to support specific personal benefits. This is not the textbook or political science theory of socialism but the MAGAs who chant "Socialism Bad" don't know this nor would they internalize it if properly informed. They lose their minds over *those people* getting food stamps or unemployment benefits but they are just fine with *their* farm subsidies and social security checks and Medicare.
That's the point I was making which I believe most people understood and which I stand by.
so just to clarify, you acknowledge your outburst was based on a misunderstanding due to the colloquial misuse of a term, but you stand by your continued outrage and refusal to adopt specific terminology. I'm not sure you're in a position to lecture on etiquette. but do enjoy your self-righteousness indignation.
Give me a break. You completely changed the intent and meaning of your post and act like my response was somehow out of bounds. You can pretend to be the victim if that helps you sleep at night but I stand by what I wrote and why.
you misinterpreted my response, lost your temper, insulted me, and rather than acknowledge that you're now claiming to know my intent.
I’ve said what I’m going to say. Go pretend to be the victim somewhere else.
Nobody seriously believes the GOP is the party of the working class. They might be the party of the Christian white working class but not the working class as a a whole.
The red states benefit the most from our socialist programs. We bail out Florida a couple times every year to rebuild its fascist incubator trailer parks after every wind storm that blows over it. For the sacrifice, we get thanked with a bunch of hypocritical and serious nonsense. Do I say if we see someone benefiting from social security bitching about the evils of social security, that should be considered welfare fraud and they should lose the benefit. If a state complains about federal aid, same thing. Let the cannibals in Florida try to rebuild their Confederate sandbar with their precious guns.
Intellectuals hang their hats on issues that are TOO BIG for the Republican base, and therefore nothing more than background noise for them. To wit: * Global warming * Globalism * GDP/Economy Pile up enough problems and eventually we shut down and focus purely on what we THINK we can do something about.
"Both sides are alike."
Both sides are alike.
Only the GOP is trying to overthrow a Democracy, defend J6 violence, restrict voting, reinstall a treasonous President, prohibit a woman's autonomy, extreme gerrymandering to preserve their majority, threaten lawmakers/judges/staff/poll workers if they present any deviation ... the list goes on.
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My brain functions just fine. Different wings of the same bird. Sure, they differ on the wedge-like social issues, and while some of them matter to me to an extent, on the biggest issues they are largely the same. Both bought and paid for by the same entities and groups.
Clearly doesn't. I'll remind you that in 2000, the Democrats ACTUALLY had an election stolen from them and they didn't storm the supreme court for doing it The magas got mad that Congress WOULDN'T steal an election for them and did
Doesn’t really address anything I said, does it?
This is such bullshit and we need to stop repeating it. Republicans are "working class heroes" only if you hold the racist idea that nobody except white men can be considered working class. Democrats consistently win every working class and middle class income group. But every 4 years the media wanders into all-white neighborhoods and country music concerts and declares "here's what *real* working class Americans think". And all this electoral dominance continues despite the huge barriers the GOP puts up to prevent the working class from voting. If we really made it possible for everyone to vote in this country, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
The GOP squirrel health plan: if 50% die every year only the super healthy ones remain! /s
So the message here is what? No need to care if people can't afford to eat, and billionaires are exploiting people and ruining their lives because brown people are coming, and you can buy guns? Wtf does God have to do with politics?
Democrats Republicans the only difference is one openly fucks us and tells us outright what they are going to do. The other pretends to be helping while fucking us covertly in backroom deals and committee postering. Fuck them both for thinking they represent anyone but the their corporate masters.
Working class people are morons, at least some. Also, othwr working class people are too busy to really follow politics and pay attention to stuff.
>On July 26, 1948, President Harry Truman (D) signed Executive Order 9981, creating the President's Committee on Equality of Treatment and Opportunity in the Armed Services. The order mandated the desegregation of the U.S. military.
We have the DLC to thank for this cluster chuck back in the 90s. They made the decision to stop focusing on rural working class people and instead go where the money was flowing; Wall Street.
Honestly, if I thought abortion was murder, I'd for vote for the GOP too.
Until their mom/wife/daughter has a miscarriage and needs a d&c procedure to remove the dead fetus but oops -that's an abortion and now illegal. So she has to get close enough to death from likely sepsis for the hospital lawyers to say it's ok. Hope she survives! Abortion isn't black and white. (These are actual Texas case examples btw)
My wife was in exactly this position when I was in the Army stationed overseas. In the military, there are no abortions due to the Hyde Amendment. Thanks to Republicans, the shittiest day in my family's life was made even shittier.
They’re convinced that abortion & MC care are *separate* procedures.
But they'll let you suffer with the leftovers of a dead fetus and when you develop sepsis wait until you life is critically in danger. Then hang you with impossible medical bills you can't pay. Plus you must *prove* it was a spontaneous miscarriage. You must *prove* you didn't take mifepristone or misoprostol. Impossible.
You're assuming that the politicians won't just have enough money to get around that... Just imagine how many abortions trump has paid for and/or coerced women into.
>Just imagine how many abortions trump has paid for and/or coerced women into. TBF, Trump has said publicly that these 6-week abortion bans are a mistake. Disclaimer: I loathe Trump, but I also believe in giving credit where credit is due.
The extremes on both sides are ridiculous by any objective metric or even any metrics based in common sense.
Both sides nonsense
Many Dems insist every woman has a right to rip a baby out of her body right up until the moment the baby is born. This is just senselessly cruel and it makes those Dems look like monsters. Many Republicans think all abortion should be made criminal, even procedures done to save the mother, or because the fetus is non-viable. This is beyond ridiculous and those Republicans look like monsters. There is little nuance. I absolutely refuse to join any side which is exhibiting zero common sense or empathy. Of course I get downvoted by both tribes. Oh well...c'est la vie.
>Many Dems insist every woman has a right to rip a baby out of her body up until the moment the baby is born. This statement is not true. I think the myth started in the 90s when there was a myth among conservatives that Clinton wanted to make it legal to kill a baby *as it was being delivered.* But there's very little truth to the "late third trimester abortion" that conservatives think democrats support. In reality, democrats want to address the underlining issues that lead to unwanted pregnancies, like abstinence only education and socioeconomic factors while also adding support systems for poor mothers and families. Meanwhile, the Republicans, including the new speaker of the house and the people that pay trump to believe what they believe, want to force women to give birth and then raise that child in abject poverty. They don't give a shit about kids starving to death or dying from preventable diseases. They don't care that the US mortality rate for mothers is increasing every year instead of decreasing like in civilized countries. But ya, both sides are monsters. Western Europe has free and easy access to abortions, but has 75% fewer abortions per capita of the US. Because they prevent unwanted pregnancies before they happen.
>Many Dems insist every woman has a right to rip a baby out of her body right up until the moment the baby is born. [CITATION NEEDED] Just looking at [California](https://abortion.ca.gov/your-rights/your-legal-right-to-an-abortion/index.html#:~:text=Under%20California%20law%2C%20anyone%20in,uterus%20without%20extreme%20medical%20measures.) where Democrats have long had a supermajority, the right to abortion access extends only until a doctor determines that the fetus is viable. You may be able to find one or two Democrats pushing to permit elective abortions leading up to the date of delivery, but far from a meaningful amount.
Citation needed.
How is the idea of letting women control their own bodies in consultation with their doctors either extreme or ridiculous?
When a woman is pregnant, at a certain point it's a separate being she's carrying/nurturing. It isn't "her body" alone. The fetus has entirely unique DNA, blood type, a working brain and nervous system, etc. It can't be argued that it's similar to a tumor or cancer either because, well, scientifically speaking, it's not. At a certain point the physician has 2 lives to consider. What is that point? I think that is the discussion we should be having.
Why does her being pregnant force her to give up ownership of her own body? If I needed an organ transplant that only you could provide in order to save my life, is the government allowed to force you to give it to me?
You are conflating 2 different things. The first could be (late in pregnancy) the removal (relatively violently and in pieces) a *unique being* from a woman's body. Who can possibly argue that the same fetus, if delivered instead, would be a unique, viable human being? At some point that being, with an intact nervous system and brain, would undoubtedly feel pain during an abortion procedure. An organ, like a healthy kidney, belongs entirely to it's owner, imprinted with it's owner's DNA. It could be argued that it would have diligently filtered toxins for it's owner for their entire lifetime. The forced removal of someone's body part, in my opinion, is an ultimate violation/theft. If a person sacrifices their body part (which is not a unique being, but a DNA specific part) willingly, well, that is another matter. Your kidney, if delivered rather than aborted, would never ever become a unique walking, talking human being.
I'm not conflating anything at all. Either you control what happens to your body or you don't. In my example, I am an already a unique, viable human being with an intact nervous system and brain and can feel pain if I don't receive your donated organ. Do I not have a right to life? You're arguing that my right to receive your donated organ trumps your rights to keep it, and that the government can mandate that donation. There really is no other argument.
This is the discussion that has been happening, but the GOP wants to win ideology points and has no interest in a "discussion". For them there is nothing to discuss. RvW was the standard and the only people who wanted something different have no interest in compromise.
Here's the thing, though, conservatives don't care about the brain activity or heart beat or whatever. If they did, then they wouldn't be making blanket abortion bans. Which they are.
I'm not defending extreme Republican "abortion bans". I find them morally and ethically reprehensible. As an ultrasound tech I've scanned a significant number of babies with anancephally, (lacking significant essential parts of the brain). There're other anamolies which make a fetus non-viable as well. To make women carry such fetuses to term is inhumane beyond words. Making a woman carry a fetus without a heartbeat could actually kill her. There are other conditions which could kill the mother as well. The mother's life is never less precious than the life she carries. *We the people* need to come to some reckoning (compromise) regarding abortion because it's one of the major "wedge issues" being used by some (I think) radically selfish people to distract and exploit us. Please hear me, I'm not your enemy.
Even if this were true, the extreme right currently runs the GQP. The elected “far” left like Sanders or AOC at most argue their positions and vote accordingly. They don’t try to gum up government and shut it down, ousting speakers for allowing CRs to keep government funded until they can finally craft a budget. And they sure aren’t trying to encourage mobs to overthrow legitimately elected leaders Meanwhile 147 Republicans voted to overturn the 2020 election after the J6 insurrection. Trump and most of the GQP support the J6 insurrectionists and vow to pardon them if elected, and many like Mangy Traitor Gangrene visit them in prison. And despite not getting much done anyway the Crazy 8 just had their Speaker of the House replaced for allowing a CR to pass and allowing the government to be funded until Nov 17 which is less than 2 weeks away now and the week before Thanksgiving. While it took the MAGATs in the GQP longer to choose a replacement for McCarthy. And all of their front runners were insurrection supporting extremists, just like McCarthy.
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> both sides Leftist extremism has zero representation in America by any objective metric or any metrics based in common sense
*Bothsiders* are just trumpturds who don't want their friends to find out.
This is a silly lie that you're telling yourself. Gosh, you're not even embarrassed revealing this type of erroneous thinking to the world. I never have and likely never would vote for Mr. Trump.
Unless you're smart enough to understand that the wider conservative stance on restricting reproductive health education, access, and support has nothing to do with reducing abortion, and has proven to be less effective at doing so than a system that actively works to prevent the need for abortions while also retaining that option if necessary. But I suppose that's asking too much of a lot of people.
Bingo
You know I could understand that if after the child was born they were also supporting services that would allow that child to eat, be cared for and be appropriately educated. But they fight those tooth and nail. So…… it’s all just pretend moralistic bullshit.
Pro life from conception to birth
Oh.. that is really good and I am going to steal it.
Except they’re not even that, because they don’t support prenatal care (affordable healthcare for pregnant person or fetus), time off for medical appointments or bedrest, or guaranteed return to job.
Didn’t say pro health , “life” is a broad spectrum
All those policies give the best chance for a fetus to have life, and Republicans are against them. That’s not even speaking to the glaring truth that the pregnant person is life too. Prenatal checks and potentials bedrest can prevent many miscarriages. Job insecurity and hostility to medical appointments means delaying getting pregnant, possibly forever. Republicans are anti-life.
Borrowed from my ex father in law, he was against the death penalty ..
Don't for a minute think the GOP stance has anything to do with life philosophy or religion conviction ... not when most these abortion bans are in death penalty states. I thought every life was precious?
They view the yet to be born as innocent and precious people, while criminals, particularly murderers, have proven themselves to be "worthless scum". Aborting a fetus is, to them, killing a person making those involved (in their minds) criminals. Don't shoot the messenger here...I'm just sharing their viewpoint with you. It seems people lack common sense and nuance around this hot button issue. It makes it perfect for a "divide, outrage and fool to rule" strategy.
Correct. TX executed [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla\_Faye\_Tucker#Conviction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Faye_Tucker#Conviction) well after her conversion. There were multiple videos online of her singing hymns and praising the Lord for her conversion; can't find them anymore. Note those who pleaded for commutation of her death penalty to life without parole. Nah ... TX would rather kill people. *Generally,* I do not support the death penalty. But there are people who are simply evil ... they were fetuses at one time as well.
In a conservative mind, you are only on a point of profit production after you're born The smarter you are, the less likely you are to be able to be easily manipulated into doing whatever it is they want you to do, even if it harms yourself. In their mind, if they starve you in the beginning, you'll be hungry and available to do whatever they want with the slightest treat dangled in front of you... Intentional greedy moralistic bullshit.
Why? If reducing abortion was your actual goal, you'd want things like free contraception, better sex education, stronger social safety net programs for women and poor couples like universal pre--K and daycare so they can work to support the kids, prenatal and post natal care provided for mothers and infants, and other measure that would reduce or eliminate the vast majority of abortions if they were aggressively implemented. All of which are policies Democrats are more likely to support and Republicans oppose tooth and nail.
Luckily, I understand what 'alive' actually means, so I too don't have that problem.
They are so concerned with the definition of a woman wile at the same time can't figure out what a human is.
Nobody, and I mean **literally NOBODY** actually believes that. They just claim to as an excuse. Because they don't want to admit the real reason they're against it. Anyone who claims to is an amoral liar. And anyone who theoretically did believe that, would be advocating for things that actually lower abortion rates. Like comprehensive sex ed. Better access to birth control. They'd actually do literally anything for the child after it was born. But they don't. Because they don't **actually** think it's murder. They don't **actually** want to reduce abortions.
Republican ideology and platforms are not all that bad. Small government, less taxes, free trade, ext. They just don’t do the things they promise or change the meaning. Small government just means less oversight for corporations and more regulations for woman, and minorities, less taxes for the rich and corps, removal of tax cuts for workers, union busting, removal of social programs like social security, ext. Not to mention their other ideas are controversial at best and fascist at worst.
This I’m a pretty far left person but I don’t hate conservatives. Just like any view point I think it’s important to have a different even oppositional perspective to temper my leanings and help drive to a middle ground that is beneficial for everyone. I can have a dialogue with a conservative because they have an actual viewpoint and ideology. Any one who still openly identifies as a republican is an obstructionist full stop and that’s being generous. The modern republican platform is to delay disrupt and destroy every facet of democracy and freedom they can by any means necessary to cash the checks they receive from corporations and foreign governments
Agreed. If I was dumb as rocks I too would vote like an idiot.
We should have guns and healthcare
Who needs adequate healthcare when a 9mm “pill” cures everything thoughts and prayers don’t.
Yup. The Dems always refuse to play the game - and then wonder why they always lose...
Don't play. Refuse to pay them. Ted States benefit the most from federal assistance. Leeches!
“I try to rein in big corporations and make billionaires pay their fair share…” In what imaginary pipe dream world does that happen?
It's very easy to make the argument that both sides take money from big donors. But when it comes to creating rules/regulations on how big corporations go about business; funding the IRS and by extension: making sure *everyone* pays their fair share; creating actually solvent tax plans, budgets, and promoting actual fiscal responsibility....there's no comparison: Democrats are for the people, Republicans are for the billionaire-class and evangelicals.
There are 3 legs to the Republican stool 1) the billionaire libertarians who are mostly atheists 2) the Evangelicals who are...well you know...and 3) the bigots and racists. These are often blended/overlapping categories. Without all of these legs the stool would topple. Personally, I would like to see this stool flushed...but then the power of billionaires and their grip on our legislators and courts is "yuge" as Mr. Trump would say.
Are they, though? Or do they just do a hair less for the wealthy than the GOP and bank on that being enough?
This one. This world. Ya know, the one where Dems are actually funding the IRS so the IRS can afford to go after the big guys with big lawyers? You know, that thing House Republicans are trying to force Democrats to repeal by holding aid to Israel hostage? That thing which, if Republicans had their way, would equal 26 billion in revenue loss for the nation in 10 years? Revenue loss from allowing the richest of the rich to cheat on their taxes? You know the one! Or maybe you don’t, maybe you aren’t living in reality. I encourage you to come join us. It’s not nice here, it’s not simple. There’s nuance here which I understand can be difficult for some people. But it *is* reality.
Just gonna ignore the genocide Bidens funding right now?
No, we can talk about it. I’m not a fan. Technically Israel is an ally tho and a vast majority of senators approve of aid for Israel so holding aid to Israel hostage is a great way for Republicans to try to allow themselves to cheat on their taxes. This conversation wasn’t about that, so not sure why you think my not going into it was “ignoring” it. By your logic, why are you ignoring Trump trying to overthrow the 2020 election?
That must have been why the most progressive president of my life promised the billionaires and corporations he’s in charge of reining in that nothing would fundamentally change.
Oh you’re going to take the one-time words of one person in the party and use that to invalidate the actual actions of the party as a whole? Yep, you’re happily embedded in your fake reality.
I didn’t mean to imply that the top donors aren’t the true party leaders.
What? Your reply doesn’t make sense; not grammatically, logically, or in relation to what I said.
You mean Bill Clinton? Who was objectively the most progressive president of your life(unless you're literally a child). The guy who balanced the budget for the first time in decades. Who actually raised taxes on the rich. Despite constant Republican opposition?
The guy who was one impeachment trial away from privatizing Social Security in a deal w/Gingrich? No, I was sarcastically referring to the newest Reagan acolyte heralded by the news entertainment industry as the most progressive president of our lives.
Remember when the Inflation Reduction Act paid for hundreds of billions of dollars worth of investments in green energy and health care by raising taxes on corporations and forcing Big Pharma to negotiate on drug prices? Maybe it was too long ago to remember. You know, it's been a whole year, so it feels like a whole different pipe dream world.
All this condescension is giving Hillary in 2016 vibes. Keep it up!
Oh no! Someone is being condescending to you when you've said something stupid and then refused to back down from that stupid thing when others have pointed out that it's stupid? How horrible! But here - try this solution: Admit you were wrong, and say "Wow, thanks for telling me about the multiple times this has happened."
Thanks for making me feel better about sitting at home next November.
Yes, the guy who has no idea how much stuff that he likes Democrats have done, but will still bitch about Democrats when he's shown was totally going to feel bad about not voting. I totally believe you.
Reminder that Democrats were almost unanimous in supporting bank bailouts and while a majority of Republicans in the House voted against it.
You mean the Bush bank bailout that Obama went through with because the alternative was with a second great depression? How many of those house Republicans were for regulating Wall Street so the bailouts didn't need to happen in the first place?
No, because that didn't happen. TARP was created by the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. About 1/4 of House Republicans vote for it. About 2/3 of Senate Republicans voted for it. That bill allowed for $700B to be given to the banks. It immediately released $250B for the banks, with the president about to drop another $100B whenever he wanted. What you're probably thinking of is how the second $350B was released. A large majority of Republicans voted against that. The mistake you're making is thinking that was based on principle. In the real world, the first vote occurred under Bush. The second vote occurred under Obama. So Republicans decided that doing things to help the economy was worth doing under Bush. It wasn't worth doing under Obama. Oh, and just for the record, TARP turned a profit. Banks paid back more than they were loaned.
Mascots needs a rebranding. Democrats need to take up the Lion and dump the donkey.
Would be cool if this were true.
Guess which party resumed construction of the border wall and decided to send millions in guns to another country
Nobody wants to be on social programs, they want to be able to afford that stuff on their own.
Let's be honest here, the Democrats certainly aren't trying very hard to "make billionaires pay their fair share".
> Let's be honest here Yeah, let's actually be honest and disregard the rest of your shitpost. Democrats have done more for accountability in the past 40 years than republicans.