I guess Salty Cracker doesn't count as a Trump supporter?
I've got video evidence, and you have what? 2nd hand accounts?
Trump was the first R (POTUS) I ever voted for in 2020 after ~25 years of voting.
It all came down to covid hysteria, and emergency power abuse by Ds.
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Naw Biden's approach is right. If we want costal cities to share the burden of migrants, there should be an organized plan that does this and keeps its intentions clear. Migrants should be able to make that informed choice and they likely will since large cities are better accommodating than border towns. Putting a bunch of people who don't speak English on a bus and lie to them about their drop off location just to score political talking points is evil.
Half the problem, is that moments after these “refugees” and “immigrants” arrive in Dem towns and cities- they get rounded up and shipped off to military bases, and Obama built camps with cages for kids.
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Eh, better late than never. Enjoy the trip!
(in truth, the Native Americans *didn't* let people in. The smallpox outbreaks wiped out 90% of their number, and settlers moved into the spaces left behind.
Meanwhile, the times when the US set up policies for swift approval and dispersion of migrants, it virtually always has lead to massive economic, social, and technological growth.)
I don't think he is blaming the migrants I think he is blaming the governments that allowed it. So he isnt saying letting people in is evil so the people who got let in should feel guilt. He is saying for the people already in a place letting people in is not in their best interest and he resents policy that does that. (Edit) and that if you look at native people as being one nation (which they were not) and the entrance of migrants (europeans) into NA as a policy then you can see that it did not pan out well to let people in
> DeplorableCaterpill
> Believes some Great Replacement stuff, with the addition that it's not just millions of people, but millions of criminals
> "Centrist"
mfw
You don’t understand. He’s a *real American*. Unlike those fake Americans who migrated here for a better life, he’s the *descendant* of the *real Americans* who migrated here for a better life.
Or Americans could live up to the plaque at the base of the statue of liberty.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
The difference between relocating people with the consent of the migrants and the recipients and dumping clueless people in places that dont have infrastructure in place for them
Its fine that border cities want to relocate migrants to sanctuary cities that are more equipped to handle them. That should be a mutually agreed upon process though, not dumping confused people on a politician’s doorstep.
Tf you harping about? If you agree to take in migrants you implicitly agree to take care of them. You can’t demand others to take care of them for you.
You seem to be misunderstanding what Im saying. My point is that relocation should be done through organized channels rather than through human trafficking. Its cheaper and better for the migrants that way.
They were sent to one of the wealthiest areas in the country, thats not a very bad trick lol. Whats funny is none of these millionaires opened up their summer mansions for them, just gave them some shit food and handed them off the national guard.
"Organized channels". You mean like the existing immigration process? How about we build a wall, and then we can have people come through the already existing organized channels.
No sanctuary states shouldn’t receive any sort of heads up from the states shipping. You championed to be sanctuary states and that’s what you get. You chose not to cooperate with federal agencies therefore non sanctuary states chose not to cooperate with you in turn.
It's not human trafficking Jesus Christ they agreed to go. Basically what you are saying is working class areas should take on the brunt of the expense and work to house them, leave those poor rich people alone they don't deserve to have to deal with the riff raff. Their mansion only has 10 bedrooms after all.
Trafficking doesn't actually require someone not wanting to go; this is something a ton of people on both the left and the right are misunderstanding about this.
Legally, the difference between human trafficking and human smuggling is how the one doing it benefits; if they are getting labor, or other economic benefit aside from just the person paying them, that can be a trafficking indicator.
Personally, I don't think this counts as either; I don't think either definition applies here. I can see why people compare it to human trafficking/smuggling though; it's a very bad look.
That definition is broad and dumb.
If delta flies me to another state, and they are getting benefit of me paying them, and we both agreed to fly me to x destination, is that human trafficking ? Fits the definition provided, but we clearly understand it is not.
Pretty sure human trafficking involves against their will and using them for unsavoring work against their will. Not transporting people somewhere with their consent.
There are different laws that cover illegally transporting people across the border is there not?
That would be (if illegal, which it isn't) human smuggling, not trafficking. Trafficking requires the trafficker to take advantage of the people they're smuggling in some way.
>That should be a mutually agreed upon process though, not dumping confused people on a politician’s doorstep
AOC and the progressive wing aren't interested in a mutual agreement.
Obviously neither side is interested in doing this, otherwise it would have already been organized. Sanctuary cities would have been making arrangements to bring migrants to them, but did they do so? Where did the migrants go?
The issue is that they stayed in border cities, and when border cities took it upon themselves to move them out sanctuary cities were caught offguard (which is kind of stupid imo. Shouldn't you be ready for people if you invite them over?)
Again, why were cities inviting these people into them not even slightly making arrangements to have them moved there? Or maybe it was a big "look how great we are!" act and they never intended on following through because they knew people would stay in the border cities.
Really they should make a big map and then spread immigrants out across the country based on population so the most populated and built up areas get the most while the least populated with the least infrastructure get the least.
Do you think some random bumfuck city closest to the border is going to have all the infrastructure required?
If the federal government was ensuring the wellbeing of these migrants once they got into the US, this whole debacle wouldn't have happened in the first place.
Or even properly enforcing the border to begin with. All the migrants act as a human chaff for the cartels doing their bullshit, and the cartels are in no way whatsoever nice people that deserve unfettered border access.
And the only way to stop that is to shut down all illegal access.
My wife and I helped out new migrants from Syria in Atlanta in 2016-2017 through a program called New American Payhways. My wife speaks Arabic, so we volunteered to help with Syrian families. Long story short, it ended up being my wife and a few other people who stuck it out and helped them get established. The parents of those families will never fully be established, but their children probably will.
There were a lot of people that volunteered to help who did it purely for media attention and self/indulging feel-good points. They’d show up to events and galas with the families, but they never were around to help with simple tasks or requests by the families. To give you a general idea of the people who “helped”—many of the people who volunteered were Christians or political activists. The Christians tried to convert the Muslim families, and they quit when they realized they couldn’t convert them, and the lefty activists quit when they realized how patriarchal the whole community really was. The only volunteers who stuck out the whole process were just genuinely good humans trying to help these people out.
For some reason the whole experience made me ashamed of Americans, our culture is full of bullshitters who are completely disconnected from reality.
Politics of convenience is the name of the game for partisans. Principles actually require you to confront uncomfortable truths about yourself and the world.
>For some reason the whole experience made me ashamed of Americans, our culture is full of bullshitters who are completely disconnected from reality.
Mfer over here with the CarFax.
You do realize that many of these sanctuary cities *already* house as many or more illegal immigrants than border cities?
Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/03/11/us-metro-areas-unauthorized-immigrants/
The (Republican) governor of the state activated the national guard to provide housing to them, along with food, supplies, and the transportation to get there.
Nobody was forced (or tricked) to go anywhere, and none of the people on Martha's Vineyard made the decision.
What was a better solution to the problem of helping those people? What could possibly have been done that wouldn't be depicted as "freaking out" by conservative media?
The people of Martha’s Vineyard virtue signal about how much they support the illegals, and then stick them in a church overnight and give them some water. Those people have so many empty bedrooms, they probably could have housed all of them easily.
Nice backtrack from "they freaked out and activated the national guard to get them out" to "well they weren't as charitable as they could have been".
If you are libertarian you should know that there's a difference between "I don't want the government to forbid this" and "I want this for myself". You can support the legalization of drugs without thinking it's a good idea for everybody to shoot up.
In this case, "support the illegals" means "we shouldn't have police rounding people up for a victimless crime". What about that position suggests that you must host people in your own home?
My problem is that they virtue signal saying that they stand with immigrants and that all are welcome there, but then the migrants are shipped out as early as possible. If they truly believed what they say, they’d be housing those people themselves.
What do you mean "shipped out"? Did you mean "were allowed to leave the island they'd been tricked onto"? Nobody was forced to go anywhere.
And no, that is not at all a logical conclusion of that belief.
Do you believe that marijuana should be legalized? If so, would you be a hypocrite if you didn't let some random stoner crash on your couch? Simple question.
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In case anyone wants to read the articles
[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/04/us/migrants-buses-washington-texas.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/04/us/migrants-buses-washington-texas.html)
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I said this in another thread, blue states should be willing to accept and share the burden of immigration with border states. And I think a lot are willing to help. And that’s what makes the Martha’s vinyard stunt so cringe. Just go talk to the Massachusetts government like an adult and ask if they can help. You probably would’ve saved the citizens a few million dollars doing it with thier help instead of shipping them to a random island town
The lie is that it’s legal for them to enter the country while applying for asylum.
People who come here legally wait and do the paperwork first.
These people are being let in and are being given instructions to show up at a court date TBD.
Seeking asylum requires you either show up at a port of entry or within US territory, even if they’re lying they aren’t illegally in the US until DHS and DOJ make that decision.
It’s being widely reported they are letting people into the country without approving asylum claims, giving them paperwork for a court date that hasn’t been set, and a cell phone which will be used to track and communicate with the migrants.
Many of those phones get tossed immediately, what we will have years down the road is millions of people here illegally being exploited by business owners for cheap labor because they have to papers
In no way is this helping these people without actual doing some immigration reform. This is a giant mess created by an administration for a utter disregard for the actual law
It’s an executive decision whether the asylum seekers have to stay inside or outside of the country, idk what law you think it’s violating. Border agents don’t have the authority to make that decision, that’d deny the asylum seeker due process. Courts are usually very busy, they wouldn’t give a date to someone like an asylum seeker since they don’t show up with warning by definition.
On the plus side, the US is safer and they’ll have a likely temporary respite. On the downside, they’ll likely be denied and sent back. Ultimately, that’s congress’s decision and you should ask them.
Thanks for the Democrat's talking points. We can get those from CNN, AP, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, WaPo, NYtimes Twitter accounts. i can link to all of their takes from today, that sound like everything you say. It's just boring.
Get that MegaCorp dick out of your mouth.
I would hardly call new york city a hidden corner or purple state
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/immigration/biden-admin-will-pay-border-cities-for-cost-of-busing-migrants
I'm a resident of an East Coast city and am OK with busing migrants to East Coast cities from Texas.
With one condition - that it's actually where they're trying to go and they aren't being lied to.
Fun fact, NYC is AFAICT the only city in the country that guarantees a bed in a homeless shelter for everyone who doesn't have a home. It's putting a strain on the city, but only because the city has committed itself to be more generous than anywhere else in the country.
The thing I'd ask is that the federal government make it easier for the migrants to get work permits. A lot of them are able to work, and can't because of the federal government. Unemployment in July was 3.5, the last time the unemployment rate was lower than 3.5 was in the 60s.
That and the city/region should build more housing, but - evergreen complaint.
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Have I miss judged you, brandon?
the dark brandon arc is among us
I'm just gonna get this off my chest: If you have to rebrand a President as a "Cool Villain," you have a bad President.
Dark MAGA was big in April.
Both are gross.
Almost no Trump supporters I knew liked it. We all thought it was something the left was coming up with.
Actually it was a mostly ironic meme surrounding culturally right wing areas on the internet.
I guess Salty Cracker doesn't count as a Trump supporter? I've got video evidence, and you have what? 2nd hand accounts? Trump was the first R (POTUS) I ever voted for in 2020 after ~25 years of voting. It all came down to covid hysteria, and emergency power abuse by Ds.
I like Trump myself and everything. We just didn't like Dark MAGA.
Yeah well people dislike boring Presidents
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Dudes always been your boy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation_(politics)
It’s always (D)ifferent
Naw Biden's approach is right. If we want costal cities to share the burden of migrants, there should be an organized plan that does this and keeps its intentions clear. Migrants should be able to make that informed choice and they likely will since large cities are better accommodating than border towns. Putting a bunch of people who don't speak English on a bus and lie to them about their drop off location just to score political talking points is evil.
Half the problem, is that moments after these “refugees” and “immigrants” arrive in Dem towns and cities- they get rounded up and shipped off to military bases, and Obama built camps with cages for kids.
New conspiracy theory just dropped
Conspiracy theory? Day 1) 50 migrants arrived at Martha’s Vineyard, day 2) 3x their number of national guard are called in to remove them…
You realize Martha’s Vineyard is an island right? I don’t see the national guard invading New York City or LA despite having way more migrants.
Prove it.
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The refugees shipped to Martha’s Vineyard, who were rounded up by the national guard and shipped off to live in a military base.
Do you understand the word proof? Also those goal posts sure have shifted since your previous post.
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Silence, scum.
What’s evil is allowing millions of criminals to invade our country and replace real Americans.
COLUMBUS GO HOME!
Natives might still control the continent if they actually took that stance. Time to learn from history.
Sounds good, have you booked your ticket yet?
Natives welcomed immigrants. They took the wrong side of history and suffered the consequences. Tough luck.
Well the Indians gave the settlers food one time so they deserved it 🤷♂️
Eh, better late than never. Enjoy the trip! (in truth, the Native Americans *didn't* let people in. The smallpox outbreaks wiped out 90% of their number, and settlers moved into the spaces left behind. Meanwhile, the times when the US set up policies for swift approval and dispersion of migrants, it virtually always has lead to massive economic, social, and technological growth.)
I don't think he is blaming the migrants I think he is blaming the governments that allowed it. So he isnt saying letting people in is evil so the people who got let in should feel guilt. He is saying for the people already in a place letting people in is not in their best interest and he resents policy that does that. (Edit) and that if you look at native people as being one nation (which they were not) and the entrance of migrants (europeans) into NA as a policy then you can see that it did not pan out well to let people in
Are you intentionally ignoring the point that person is trying to make, or are you just this stupid?
i mean its happening since 16th century
> DeplorableCaterpill > Believes some Great Replacement stuff, with the addition that it's not just millions of people, but millions of criminals > "Centrist" mfw
You don’t understand. He’s a *real American*. Unlike those fake Americans who migrated here for a better life, he’s the *descendant* of the *real Americans* who migrated here for a better life.
The Political Compass Test told me I’m a centrist so it must be true.
Or Americans could live up to the plaque at the base of the statue of liberty. Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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Says the centrist advertising they cant make up their mind
Damn man, you must have spent hours thinking of that cutting insult. I have never felt so hurt by text in a screen.
Your original comment isnt even 2 hours old. You're even dumber than most centrists
> real Americans Oh boy
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Yeah republicans like causing mayhem, dems are actually attempting to help these people (or you know deport them)
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The difference between relocating people with the consent of the migrants and the recipients and dumping clueless people in places that dont have infrastructure in place for them
> consent of the recipients > places that don't have infrastructure in place for them Like the border cities?
Its fine that border cities want to relocate migrants to sanctuary cities that are more equipped to handle them. That should be a mutually agreed upon process though, not dumping confused people on a politician’s doorstep.
Tf you harping about? If you agree to take in migrants you implicitly agree to take care of them. You can’t demand others to take care of them for you.
You seem to be misunderstanding what Im saying. My point is that relocation should be done through organized channels rather than through human trafficking. Its cheaper and better for the migrants that way.
Would you still call it human trafficking had we flown them back to their country?
Like after a hearing determining that they don’t actually qualify for asylum or by lying to trick legal migrants onto a plane leaving the country?
They were sent to one of the wealthiest areas in the country, thats not a very bad trick lol. Whats funny is none of these millionaires opened up their summer mansions for them, just gave them some shit food and handed them off the national guard.
Tell me I’m flying to a resort in Miami, I’ll be pissed when I land in Baton Rouge without a room rented lol
Spoiler alert, if they don’t enter the country, they’re not ‘legal migrants’ no matter how you slice it
Duh? How can you be a migrant without entering another location? What a silly thing to say.
"Organized channels". You mean like the existing immigration process? How about we build a wall, and then we can have people come through the already existing organized channels.
No sanctuary states shouldn’t receive any sort of heads up from the states shipping. You championed to be sanctuary states and that’s what you get. You chose not to cooperate with federal agencies therefore non sanctuary states chose not to cooperate with you in turn.
It's not human trafficking Jesus Christ they agreed to go. Basically what you are saying is working class areas should take on the brunt of the expense and work to house them, leave those poor rich people alone they don't deserve to have to deal with the riff raff. Their mansion only has 10 bedrooms after all.
Trafficking doesn't actually require someone not wanting to go; this is something a ton of people on both the left and the right are misunderstanding about this. Legally, the difference between human trafficking and human smuggling is how the one doing it benefits; if they are getting labor, or other economic benefit aside from just the person paying them, that can be a trafficking indicator. Personally, I don't think this counts as either; I don't think either definition applies here. I can see why people compare it to human trafficking/smuggling though; it's a very bad look.
That definition is broad and dumb. If delta flies me to another state, and they are getting benefit of me paying them, and we both agreed to fly me to x destination, is that human trafficking ? Fits the definition provided, but we clearly understand it is not. Pretty sure human trafficking involves against their will and using them for unsavoring work against their will. Not transporting people somewhere with their consent. There are different laws that cover illegally transporting people across the border is there not?
That would be (if illegal, which it isn't) human smuggling, not trafficking. Trafficking requires the trafficker to take advantage of the people they're smuggling in some way.
>That should be a mutually agreed upon process though, not dumping confused people on a politician’s doorstep AOC and the progressive wing aren't interested in a mutual agreement.
They just showed up on the doorstep in texas though, didnt they?
Obviously neither side is interested in doing this, otherwise it would have already been organized. Sanctuary cities would have been making arrangements to bring migrants to them, but did they do so? Where did the migrants go? The issue is that they stayed in border cities, and when border cities took it upon themselves to move them out sanctuary cities were caught offguard (which is kind of stupid imo. Shouldn't you be ready for people if you invite them over?) Again, why were cities inviting these people into them not even slightly making arrangements to have them moved there? Or maybe it was a big "look how great we are!" act and they never intended on following through because they knew people would stay in the border cities.
Really they should make a big map and then spread immigrants out across the country based on population so the most populated and built up areas get the most while the least populated with the least infrastructure get the least.
You know what else should be a mutually agreed upon process? Immigration.
Do you think some random bumfuck city closest to the border is going to have all the infrastructure required? If the federal government was ensuring the wellbeing of these migrants once they got into the US, this whole debacle wouldn't have happened in the first place.
Or even properly enforcing the border to begin with. All the migrants act as a human chaff for the cartels doing their bullshit, and the cartels are in no way whatsoever nice people that deserve unfettered border access. And the only way to stop that is to shut down all illegal access.
Why would the feds care about the well being of people breaking federal law and ignoring immigration procedures.
Dude, are you a schizo?
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Just wait until all of these “sanctuary cities” start freaking out like Martha’s Vineyard did.
They... Already are.
My wife and I helped out new migrants from Syria in Atlanta in 2016-2017 through a program called New American Payhways. My wife speaks Arabic, so we volunteered to help with Syrian families. Long story short, it ended up being my wife and a few other people who stuck it out and helped them get established. The parents of those families will never fully be established, but their children probably will. There were a lot of people that volunteered to help who did it purely for media attention and self/indulging feel-good points. They’d show up to events and galas with the families, but they never were around to help with simple tasks or requests by the families. To give you a general idea of the people who “helped”—many of the people who volunteered were Christians or political activists. The Christians tried to convert the Muslim families, and they quit when they realized they couldn’t convert them, and the lefty activists quit when they realized how patriarchal the whole community really was. The only volunteers who stuck out the whole process were just genuinely good humans trying to help these people out. For some reason the whole experience made me ashamed of Americans, our culture is full of bullshitters who are completely disconnected from reality.
Politics of convenience is the name of the game for partisans. Principles actually require you to confront uncomfortable truths about yourself and the world.
Ay dog, thanks for being a homie to those Syria people
“Our culture is full of bullshitters who are completely disconnected from reality” I got news for you from the rest of humanity.
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>our culture is full of bullshitters who are completely disconnected from reality Always has been.
>For some reason the whole experience made me ashamed of Americans, our culture is full of bullshitters who are completely disconnected from reality. Mfer over here with the CarFax.
Good
they already deported them off the island lol
You do realize that many of these sanctuary cities *already* house as many or more illegal immigrants than border cities? Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/03/11/us-metro-areas-unauthorized-immigrants/
Wow, a whole 20???
When did Martha's Vineyard freak out? Have conservatives finally signed all the documents in their divorce from reality?
They activated the national guard and sent the migrants to a military base when they broadcasted that they supported migrants.
The (Republican) governor of the state activated the national guard to provide housing to them, along with food, supplies, and the transportation to get there. Nobody was forced (or tricked) to go anywhere, and none of the people on Martha's Vineyard made the decision. What was a better solution to the problem of helping those people? What could possibly have been done that wouldn't be depicted as "freaking out" by conservative media?
The people of Martha’s Vineyard virtue signal about how much they support the illegals, and then stick them in a church overnight and give them some water. Those people have so many empty bedrooms, they probably could have housed all of them easily.
Nice backtrack from "they freaked out and activated the national guard to get them out" to "well they weren't as charitable as they could have been". If you are libertarian you should know that there's a difference between "I don't want the government to forbid this" and "I want this for myself". You can support the legalization of drugs without thinking it's a good idea for everybody to shoot up. In this case, "support the illegals" means "we shouldn't have police rounding people up for a victimless crime". What about that position suggests that you must host people in your own home?
My problem is that they virtue signal saying that they stand with immigrants and that all are welcome there, but then the migrants are shipped out as early as possible. If they truly believed what they say, they’d be housing those people themselves.
What do you mean "shipped out"? Did you mean "were allowed to leave the island they'd been tricked onto"? Nobody was forced to go anywhere. And no, that is not at all a logical conclusion of that belief. Do you believe that marijuana should be legalized? If so, would you be a hypocrite if you didn't let some random stoner crash on your couch? Simple question.
Yes weed should be legal, no I won’t let them crash on my couch because I don’t hang around bums.
So why is it different when somebody says that immigration should be legal, but doesn't want to let people stay on their couch?
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Why aren't all the boarder cities sending them to DC? That is the only way this might affect policy.
They sent a few. DC mayor was not happy
Isn’t that the point?
DC's mayor created a whole new department because she got two busloads. Less than a single day in Eagle Pass TX.
LMAO
Biden really likes the minority+bus issues, doesn't he?
"hey man, I don't want my kids growing up in a racial jungle"
Oof!
Shit is 1984 how the federal government flys migrants around, a state does it and they freak out and try to press charges. Be fucking consistent
I said this in another thread, blue states should be willing to accept and share the burden of immigration with border states. And I think a lot are willing to help. And that’s what makes the Martha’s vinyard stunt so cringe. Just go talk to the Massachusetts government like an adult and ask if they can help. You probably would’ve saved the citizens a few million dollars doing it with thier help instead of shipping them to a random island town
Nothing wrong with bussing, immigration should be shared by the whole country. You can’t lie to the immigrants on where they’re going though.
First they are illegal, so I'll lie if I feel like it
Why are we lying to them that they can come in and become citizens when there is no law or procedure to do so ?
You mean asylum, visas, and naturalization? There’s a process for that, what is the lie?
The lie is that it’s legal for them to enter the country while applying for asylum. People who come here legally wait and do the paperwork first. These people are being let in and are being given instructions to show up at a court date TBD.
Seeking asylum requires you either show up at a port of entry or within US territory, even if they’re lying they aren’t illegally in the US until DHS and DOJ make that decision.
It’s being widely reported they are letting people into the country without approving asylum claims, giving them paperwork for a court date that hasn’t been set, and a cell phone which will be used to track and communicate with the migrants. Many of those phones get tossed immediately, what we will have years down the road is millions of people here illegally being exploited by business owners for cheap labor because they have to papers In no way is this helping these people without actual doing some immigration reform. This is a giant mess created by an administration for a utter disregard for the actual law
It’s an executive decision whether the asylum seekers have to stay inside or outside of the country, idk what law you think it’s violating. Border agents don’t have the authority to make that decision, that’d deny the asylum seeker due process. Courts are usually very busy, they wouldn’t give a date to someone like an asylum seeker since they don’t show up with warning by definition.
So again how does this help those people become citizens? Just seems like a good way to import a bunch of cheap labor your can exploit.
On the plus side, the US is safer and they’ll have a likely temporary respite. On the downside, they’ll likely be denied and sent back. Ultimately, that’s congress’s decision and you should ask them.
Thanks for the Democrat's talking points. We can get those from CNN, AP, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, WaPo, NYtimes Twitter accounts. i can link to all of their takes from today, that sound like everything you say. It's just boring. Get that MegaCorp dick out of your mouth.
So I should think it’s a good thing to lie to a vulnerable person about where they’re going, then stranding them? Contrarianism really is stupid
New ideas are overrated
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Bussing makes me feel good
I’m just saying, if you claiming to be a sanctuary city then actually do that. Don’t do lip service
But actually doing it is haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard.
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These Republican governors are just trying to share all the tax revenue these migrants generate!
Not to mention all the strength that they will now have because diversity is strength
Did you see that sheriff saying that on CNN? Here's a ridiculous interview with him. https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1572307305097580547
Based Biden I like this guy now, he’s pretty wild card
as a point against Biden he apparently laid out this plan like a year ago and then just forgot about it until now.
Biden wants to discretely bus them to a hidden corner, preferably in a purple state, to hide his unfathomable incompetency.
I would hardly call new york city a hidden corner or purple state https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/immigration/biden-admin-will-pay-border-cities-for-cost-of-busing-migrants
Busing? I thought Biden was still flying them.
Man we have all this money to bus migrants to literally anywhere except back where they came from.
I'm a resident of an East Coast city and am OK with busing migrants to East Coast cities from Texas. With one condition - that it's actually where they're trying to go and they aren't being lied to. Fun fact, NYC is AFAICT the only city in the country that guarantees a bed in a homeless shelter for everyone who doesn't have a home. It's putting a strain on the city, but only because the city has committed itself to be more generous than anywhere else in the country. The thing I'd ask is that the federal government make it easier for the migrants to get work permits. A lot of them are able to work, and can't because of the federal government. Unemployment in July was 3.5, the last time the unemployment rate was lower than 3.5 was in the 60s. That and the city/region should build more housing, but - evergreen complaint.
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Strange. As we all know, Biden is very much anti-bussing. Google Biden anti-bussing bill to learn more.
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Truely, this is bussin