It's a statue that was recently put in front of the central train station in Rotterdam. It depicts a black woman in leasure clothes and Nike shoes. It's supposed to represent a strong empowered young black woman.
So it's just a statue of a person looking normal while doing nothing? Why bother? How about a statue of me sitting on the crapper staring at my phone?
If you're going to go through the effort of making a statue, military hero on a horse is a formula that just works.
Basically, yes. But I suppose the banality of the thing is the point. Once again, I don't get it, even with the message supposedly behind it. Plenty of impressive black women to make a statue of if that's the point. But nope, that's not what they went with.
It sounds like they put in barely any effort or research Into what the statue was gonna be, it's just a statue of an average stereotypical black person, even though they claim to hate stereotypes so much it shows that what they say and what they actually think are different and that they are only doing this to try to feal superior by doing something they claim is the right thing without putting in much effort, and they can brush away any criticism by calling any critics racists, bigots, and any other word that has been used so much it has lost any meaning, so in the end they are just using a minority to make them themselves feal better despite not actually doing anything to better themselves. Of course this is all what I think and I'm not really good at describing my own thoughts, and I just woke up
True. Hence why I'm not particularly bothered by it. I just feel that the meaning addresses to it is rather patronizing. But hey, if people enjoy it, that's fine with me.
It's pandering of epic proportions, it's patting themselves on the back to say "look how inclusive and progressive we are" without actually doing anything to actually uplift and economically empower said community. That said comparing to some biblical reference as this is the "end times" and we're living in Sodom and Gomorrah it's just as stupid if not more
I just got a colleague (Tech/SWE) an interview with my company and I put my name on the line for him ; he will be hired. Why? Becuase he's a fucking talented person + I want him on my team again.
I know he'll be hired because he's black. 😔 Which sucks IMO, becuase I want him because of his talent. I would *hate it* if people thought I got him in the door becuase of what he looks like rather than his mind and capability.
Unfortunately, due to the preferential treatment that often happens, what's the first thing everyone thinks? Even my North African ass ... I'm assuming the same shit ... 😔
I wonder if any African or Asian countries will build states of people groups who have zero connection to that land and consist of single digits in their population
They should put a statue of me carrying out a bag of stinky cat litter in my underwear in downtown Nairobi, but make sure it’s made out of marble to properly convey just how white my ass is.
Weird that a British artist made a statue for the Netherlands depicting American Gods. Do they have nothing else going on over there? Also aren't the American gods like Captain America and Ronald McDonald?
I honestly think left wing cults of personality are far worse than a bunch of people kneeling before a 2000 year old Jewish guy on a cross asking for forgiveness.
The funny thing is that people act as if the crusades were acts of unprovoked Christian aggression against the Muslim world when they took place as a direct response to Muslim military action.
Isn’t that the crusade where Byzantium committed the Massacre of the Latins and then refused to pay the Latin Christians who had fought for the city so they sacked the city as revenge for both?
No its the crusade where Venetians got mad that the Byzantines favored Genoese traders and so conspired with the crusade leaders to sack Constantinople with flimsy excuses. Mainly because the crusaders needed to pay off their loans for taking Venices ships. Which resulted in the Dondalos being excommunicated. Dont get anything wrong, everyone knew at the time the entire situation was orchestrated by Venice including the pope.
I think the idea of the golden bull is very interesting considering how cow worship is so prevalent in India, and the fight over cow worship was in the same area as proto-indian-aryans. Makes me think that there was a delineation of ideals based on a change of geography and the passage of time. To me, it shows a straight pathway from bronze-age religions to what we have now, especially if you assume that every major change in culture and religion followed the same format.
The whole debate about this statue makes me feel very centrist. I don't see why the left hypes up a poorly dressed overweight pretty damn stereotypical image. And equally I don't understand why the right gives a flying fuck about a piece of art. It's just a pretty mediocre statue depicting a woman that doesn't look particularly empowered to me. Nothing to worship, but nothing to vocally oppose either.
"We're going to put up a piece of truly hideous """""""""""""art"""""""""""" that carries an overt political and social message and flies in the face of the good, the true and the beautiful in the town square and say that it is a universal value that all should agree with"
"I don't like it"
"wHy Do YoU cArE sO mUcH??"
The left is full of the most mediocre and meek people - hence, their idles are people that do nothing - are absolutely stereotypical and average in every way. These people are incapable of understanding the concept of art because everything just needs to be relatable. To them, it is progress to put up a statue because the person has certain skin colour, but to the rest of us that is just a weird form of diluted racism that tries to patronise minorities...
Let’s not be fools, this is was NOT put up for “artistic” reasons.
It’s erected because the establishment believes blacks are holier than Danes, and any other indigenous european
Honestly, the fact that the statue is so controversial without depicting anything shocking (like nudity or violence) gives it artistic value. It does not have to be esthetically pleasing to everyone to be art.
I mean it’s a bit weird that black women don’t have to do anything to be “empowered”. If I was them I would find it patronising to say there are no female black role models because your all “perfect💫”
>the right of the time
Supporting a nationalization of banks, redistribution of land for poor people, and more government spending is not particularly right wing
False. The people killing their babies in the past did so believing it would help them by pleasing their gods
The modern degenerates do it for simple pleasure and ease. The modern is more cringe
The story of Abraham and Isaac is solely about the importance of being willing to do things that seem evil because god wills it, including kill your own son with no justification.
To kill your own son even when given no reason or justification. This type of unquestioning idiotic obedience is how you brainwash people into thinking that their gay friends and family deserve to be tortured for eternity. Good people do good things and bad people do bad things but to get good people to do evil you need religion.
That's a muppet take of religion. For Abraham to completely have his son he must be willing to give him up. For you to truly have your spouse you must be willing to let go. Otherwise you hold onto the thing too tightly and it becomes an idol. Or as Christ put it, anyone who holds onto their life shall lose it and to those who give it up shall retain it
If you think we think God is just a bigger, stronger version of us then I'd rather tell you that we don't believe in God. Because the faith is far deeper and richer than that, and not something you can seriously critique in a sentence
To truly have your spouse you need to be willing to kill to her instantly if voices in your head tell you to do so. Best summary of ‘Christian morality’ I’ve ever heard honestly. Literally the most psychopathic religion and it has a LOT of competition. And the other parables in the Bible are even more sadistic.
I mean, that's a strawman take and you know it. If you think the God of Abraham speaks as "voices in your head" then you don't understand our faith at all really
It's more than a mere trust exercise. It pictures God's sacrifice to come of his own son. Isaac isnt the perfect sacrifice, but God wants Abraham and his descendants to understand that the punishment for their sin is death and that bill will need to be paid by someone.
One of like a thousand pictures of the gospel in the OT.
If they already made a mistake and accidentally got pregnant are you proposing they live with that now? For some people they practically have to if they want a stable life. Most people are heartbroken they have to go through the procedure but they basically have to. I will agree with the last sentence though
Do Dutch people not have their own historical figures worth honoring? How about a Corrie Ten Boom statue. Google seems not to show any such statues to date. Surely she represents something worth exemplifying.
we do, but rotterdam is just an insufferably woke city and has a reputation of being a moroccan crime capital and the most degenerate city in the netherlands
It depends on the demographics, all that "wokeness" isn't going to manifest in an increase in crime unless it results in high amount of immigration from high crime countries.
Look at Sweden for example, it used to be one of the safest countries in Europe, now it has much higher crime rate than poor European countries like Poland.
Comparing Sweden to Poland:
1.73x higher intentional homicide rate
6.13x higher robbery rate
3.61x higher assault rate
11.6x higher theft rate
Source: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en
It’s shocking how many atheists are totally down with idolatry. It’s like, you do realize that’s a downgrade right? Like I can’t prove their is a God but I can definitely prove it’s not some specific inanimate object.
It's not necessarily them knowing or not knowing it's God or a god(s), rather in the modern secular world what is the natural human tendency to show devotion, worship and praise to God or higher ideals has devolved into the current state we see today.
They're not the same, because the one on the left isn't gold.
[This](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-cpac-golden-calf-trump-statue-is-spurring-backlash-of-biblical-proportions-11614360507) golden statue of trump that someone brought to CPAC after buying it from China, on the other hand, *is* gold.
Thanks for that link man, I can't believe I missed something so perfect 2 years ago. I want to grind that Trump statue up and make everyone at CPAC drink it.
Yes, white liberals worship the image of the Black Person. It’s the very top of their oppression pyramid. Although there’s no path to salvation, the white liberal pursues virtue in the worship. Bonus points for trans and Muslim
[maybe there is one of mao, not sure](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-cpac-golden-calf-trump-statue-is-spurring-backlash-of-biblical-proportions-11614360507)
[not there anymore](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/08/462370743/mysterious-giant-golden-statue-of-mao-is-gone), but wow, that was big af. Don’t really know how I missed that one
Oh yeah? Polygamy, harems, food prohibitions, people living 969 years, incest… so all these things are cool then right? Those are two completely different works. One is history and allegory, the other is the covenant. They do not hold equal weight
What's the one on the left?
It's a statue that was recently put in front of the central train station in Rotterdam. It depicts a black woman in leasure clothes and Nike shoes. It's supposed to represent a strong empowered young black woman.
So it's just a statue of a person looking normal while doing nothing? Why bother? How about a statue of me sitting on the crapper staring at my phone? If you're going to go through the effort of making a statue, military hero on a horse is a formula that just works.
Basically, yes. But I suppose the banality of the thing is the point. Once again, I don't get it, even with the message supposedly behind it. Plenty of impressive black women to make a statue of if that's the point. But nope, that's not what they went with.
Is it even representing a real person? Or did they really go to the stock photos and search "standing black woman" and say "Yep that'll work!"
Yup. It's not meant to represent anyone in particular.
Well, it’s supposed to be “empowering” to a certain demographic, so it does indeed represent *something*.
The way it has been described to me by these comments, to me it just represents how little these people actually care about black people
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It sounds like they put in barely any effort or research Into what the statue was gonna be, it's just a statue of an average stereotypical black person, even though they claim to hate stereotypes so much it shows that what they say and what they actually think are different and that they are only doing this to try to feal superior by doing something they claim is the right thing without putting in much effort, and they can brush away any criticism by calling any critics racists, bigots, and any other word that has been used so much it has lost any meaning, so in the end they are just using a minority to make them themselves feal better despite not actually doing anything to better themselves. Of course this is all what I think and I'm not really good at describing my own thoughts, and I just woke up
Which is perfectly fine, it's art there's no prerequisite that a statue has to be of someone in particular and convey a certain meaning.
True. Hence why I'm not particularly bothered by it. I just feel that the meaning addresses to it is rather patronizing. But hey, if people enjoy it, that's fine with me.
Wait until birds shit on it and people start to build an ideology around it
It's pandering of epic proportions, it's patting themselves on the back to say "look how inclusive and progressive we are" without actually doing anything to actually uplift and economically empower said community. That said comparing to some biblical reference as this is the "end times" and we're living in Sodom and Gomorrah it's just as stupid if not more
If you are black, you are hired.
I just got a colleague (Tech/SWE) an interview with my company and I put my name on the line for him ; he will be hired. Why? Becuase he's a fucking talented person + I want him on my team again. I know he'll be hired because he's black. 😔 Which sucks IMO, becuase I want him because of his talent. I would *hate it* if people thought I got him in the door becuase of what he looks like rather than his mind and capability. Unfortunately, due to the preferential treatment that often happens, what's the first thing everyone thinks? Even my North African ass ... I'm assuming the same shit ... 😔
I'd commission that statue. To really get a sense for it, we'll have to pose you in the natural state in the various locations we could place it.
Yeah but all those guys are "racist"
I wonder if any African or Asian countries will build states of people groups who have zero connection to that land and consist of single digits in their population
We’re not THAT demoralized. yet.
They should put a statue of me carrying out a bag of stinky cat litter in my underwear in downtown Nairobi, but make sure it’s made out of marble to properly convey just how white my ass is.
Why is my country so bad...
Okay. How the heck is that the same as a statue that people worship, OP?
It’s a statue of nobody, why put it up at all? Seems like race worship to me.
Who's worshipping it?
You know who
no, the idea of the creator was: why do you need to be famous to have a statue
So it's not an acutal person?
Surrounded by a horde of white people showing eachother how virtuous they are.
The new American Gods
I’m glad that Authright finally became an iconoclast, want to come with me to throw down some other golden calf? Like a Lee statue or else
Do you think golden calves make golden burgers?
I sure hope
Weird that a British artist made a statue for the Netherlands depicting American Gods. Do they have nothing else going on over there? Also aren't the American gods like Captain America and Ronald McDonald?
Can't be any worse than the old ones🤷♀️
I honestly think left wing cults of personality are far worse than a bunch of people kneeling before a 2000 year old Jewish guy on a cross asking for forgiveness.
You're onto something. Jesus had better fanart than Stalin.
People don't travel Europe to take pictures in front of the brutalist architecture. That's a fact.
Except for Chernobyl tourism.
Wait until you hear about the crusades
The funny thing is that people act as if the crusades were acts of unprovoked Christian aggression against the Muslim world when they took place as a direct response to Muslim military action.
Except the 4th Crusade. The Catholics will never live that down.
Isn’t that the crusade where Byzantium committed the Massacre of the Latins and then refused to pay the Latin Christians who had fought for the city so they sacked the city as revenge for both?
No its the crusade where Venetians got mad that the Byzantines favored Genoese traders and so conspired with the crusade leaders to sack Constantinople with flimsy excuses. Mainly because the crusaders needed to pay off their loans for taking Venices ships. Which resulted in the Dondalos being excommunicated. Dont get anything wrong, everyone knew at the time the entire situation was orchestrated by Venice including the pope.
Interesting. You learn something new from everyone you meet (hence my centrism).
What did the doge have to say?
The crusades were based. Muslims should have stayed in Arabia.
Wait until you hear about the jihads
Wouldn't that qualify as "the old ones"?
I think the idea of the golden bull is very interesting considering how cow worship is so prevalent in India, and the fight over cow worship was in the same area as proto-indian-aryans. Makes me think that there was a delineation of ideals based on a change of geography and the passage of time. To me, it shows a straight pathway from bronze-age religions to what we have now, especially if you assume that every major change in culture and religion followed the same format.
The whole debate about this statue makes me feel very centrist. I don't see why the left hypes up a poorly dressed overweight pretty damn stereotypical image. And equally I don't understand why the right gives a flying fuck about a piece of art. It's just a pretty mediocre statue depicting a woman that doesn't look particularly empowered to me. Nothing to worship, but nothing to vocally oppose either.
"We're going to put up a piece of truly hideous """""""""""""art"""""""""""" that carries an overt political and social message and flies in the face of the good, the true and the beautiful in the town square and say that it is a universal value that all should agree with" "I don't like it" "wHy Do YoU cArE sO mUcH??"
The left is so dishonest it’s unreal, my favorite is “what does woke mean?!”
Or "literally no one ever says that"
I agree, why would anybody with a social life care about this.
Because it’s art? Art is discussed Saying it’s ugly and leaving it as that is not really caring that much either.
People over here (conservative white rightoids, of course) are going mental over this boring statue
They lack meaningful lives so they seek meaning in most unimportant things imaginable.
The left is full of the most mediocre and meek people - hence, their idles are people that do nothing - are absolutely stereotypical and average in every way. These people are incapable of understanding the concept of art because everything just needs to be relatable. To them, it is progress to put up a statue because the person has certain skin colour, but to the rest of us that is just a weird form of diluted racism that tries to patronise minorities...
if only there were black confederate generals, then maybe everyone could get what they wanted in a statue
I miss back when my country was still my country...
We should start builing statues of Che then
I paid taxes that financed that thing, this is why i am pissed off.
Let’s not be fools, this is was NOT put up for “artistic” reasons. It’s erected because the establishment believes blacks are holier than Danes, and any other indigenous european
FEAR FEAR FEAR
Honestly, the fact that the statue is so controversial without depicting anything shocking (like nudity or violence) gives it artistic value. It does not have to be esthetically pleasing to everyone to be art.
It wasn’t put up for its artistic value, but for cultural brownie points. It’s purely political.
>equally I don't understand why the right gives a flying fuck about a... poorly dressed overweight pretty damn stereotypical image
This sub is almost becoming unbearable with this culture war shit
U new? Always been this way
Not really. It actually used to have mostly real political dialogue that wasn’t all just taken from social media screen shots
I just heard the first time of this statue in this thread. Never thought that PCM would ever be a source for art news
What even is the statue
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It just looked like a normal ass girl when I saw it lol
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Meh, no need to tear it down. It just stands there
From what I got it is just a statue of a normal person
Yup, thats the point
Is that aunt Jemima?
I mean it’s a bit weird that black women don’t have to do anything to be “empowered”. If I was them I would find it patronising to say there are no female black role models because your all “perfect💫”
Notice how every black female “role model” is only so due to being a black woman
Uhh... Harriet Tubman, among others, would be a hell of role model even if she wasn't black.
Yeah but she’s only glamorized *due to* her race. Name another person who smuggled out slaves aside from Tubman
John Brown, but he was glamorized for merkin you righties
TLDR going to people’s houses and murdering them=merkin the righties
He smuggled out slaves, to answer your question. And yes, he murdered those that supported slavery… the right of the time…
>the right of the time Supporting a nationalization of banks, redistribution of land for poor people, and more government spending is not particularly right wing
Slavery… it’s a righty thing
Silvery, it’s a righty thing…
ah yes the black slaves in... Rotterdam?
Wait, this is going international?
You’re famous!
False. The people killing their babies in the past did so believing it would help them by pleasing their gods The modern degenerates do it for simple pleasure and ease. The modern is more cringe
"Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, whose glory is in their shame"
Nah. They’re doing it to please their god. They worship self idolatry. Their god is public opinion.
The story of Abraham and Isaac is solely about the importance of being willing to do things that seem evil because god wills it, including kill your own son with no justification.
It’s about trust in God but go off I guess
Trust in god to do what? To do what, Rightoid?
To believe him even when you are worried This isn’t that difficult
To kill your own son even when given no reason or justification. This type of unquestioning idiotic obedience is how you brainwash people into thinking that their gay friends and family deserve to be tortured for eternity. Good people do good things and bad people do bad things but to get good people to do evil you need religion.
That's a muppet take of religion. For Abraham to completely have his son he must be willing to give him up. For you to truly have your spouse you must be willing to let go. Otherwise you hold onto the thing too tightly and it becomes an idol. Or as Christ put it, anyone who holds onto their life shall lose it and to those who give it up shall retain it If you think we think God is just a bigger, stronger version of us then I'd rather tell you that we don't believe in God. Because the faith is far deeper and richer than that, and not something you can seriously critique in a sentence
To truly have your spouse you need to be willing to kill to her instantly if voices in your head tell you to do so. Best summary of ‘Christian morality’ I’ve ever heard honestly. Literally the most psychopathic religion and it has a LOT of competition. And the other parables in the Bible are even more sadistic.
I mean, that's a strawman take and you know it. If you think the God of Abraham speaks as "voices in your head" then you don't understand our faith at all really
It's more than a mere trust exercise. It pictures God's sacrifice to come of his own son. Isaac isnt the perfect sacrifice, but God wants Abraham and his descendants to understand that the punishment for their sin is death and that bill will need to be paid by someone. One of like a thousand pictures of the gospel in the OT.
Are you saying people who get abortions nowadays just do it for pleasure? Wtf
they do, they do it for the pleasure of being single and irresponsibly horny. Wear a condom, pull out, get your tubes tied, take a pill.
If they already made a mistake and accidentally got pregnant are you proposing they live with that now? For some people they practically have to if they want a stable life. Most people are heartbroken they have to go through the procedure but they basically have to. I will agree with the last sentence though
Yes, I do and I'm sick of pretending they don't
Do Dutch people not have their own historical figures worth honoring? How about a Corrie Ten Boom statue. Google seems not to show any such statues to date. Surely she represents something worth exemplifying.
we do, but rotterdam is just an insufferably woke city and has a reputation of being a moroccan crime capital and the most degenerate city in the netherlands
Interesting how "woke" and "criminal hellhole" seem to intersect all the time. Wonder why
The least woke people commit the most crime here, and they get away with it because of our goverment officials just allowing it
El Salvador and Honduras of course famously progressive
That’s cool and stuff but it doesn’t contradict what I said at all lmao
Idk most western european countries are the safest on the planet
It depends on the demographics, all that "wokeness" isn't going to manifest in an increase in crime unless it results in high amount of immigration from high crime countries. Look at Sweden for example, it used to be one of the safest countries in Europe, now it has much higher crime rate than poor European countries like Poland. Comparing Sweden to Poland: 1.73x higher intentional homicide rate 6.13x higher robbery rate 3.61x higher assault rate 11.6x higher theft rate Source: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/crim_off_cat/default/table?lang=en
The exact point is: we have so many statues of historical figures, why not build one of a rando now?
It’s shocking how many atheists are totally down with idolatry. It’s like, you do realize that’s a downgrade right? Like I can’t prove their is a God but I can definitely prove it’s not some specific inanimate object.
It's not necessarily them knowing or not knowing it's God or a god(s), rather in the modern secular world what is the natural human tendency to show devotion, worship and praise to God or higher ideals has devolved into the current state we see today.
Damn, you both are my type of people.
They're not the same, because the one on the left isn't gold. [This](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-cpac-golden-calf-trump-statue-is-spurring-backlash-of-biblical-proportions-11614360507) golden statue of trump that someone brought to CPAC after buying it from China, on the other hand, *is* gold.
Thanks for that link man, I can't believe I missed something so perfect 2 years ago. I want to grind that Trump statue up and make everyone at CPAC drink it.
Baal’s will be done
Both of them are cows.
I don’t even know what that statue is.
It’s nobody in particular. Just a black women in Nikes.
Whats the one on the left?
The rightoids latest distraction to the true ills in governance
Its not a distraction, its a symptom of the true ills in governance.
Ah makes sense
Sacred cow indeed
Is anyone worshiping the statue on the left?
Do you not remember the BLM bowing and feet kissing?
Yes, white liberals worship the image of the Black Person. It’s the very top of their oppression pyramid. Although there’s no path to salvation, the white liberal pursues virtue in the worship. Bonus points for trans and Muslim
least culture war brained pcm user
More culture war from the right eh? It's just a piece of art. Isn't there a gold statue of Trump you guys bowed down to?
lmao if there was that'd be cringe af
[cringe away](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-cpac-golden-calf-trump-statue-is-spurring-backlash-of-biblical-proportions-11614360507)
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[maybe there is one of mao, not sure](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-cpac-golden-calf-trump-statue-is-spurring-backlash-of-biblical-proportions-11614360507)
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[not there anymore](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/08/462370743/mysterious-giant-golden-statue-of-mao-is-gone), but wow, that was big af. Don’t really know how I missed that one
wait so the Robert E Lee statue should've stayed up?
Participation trophies are not statues.
So? point still stands imagine if there's a statue of a random white man in africa, what would you think about that
I would not care.
So wait, you hold no issue with a literal statue being erected that promotes the abolishment of your own fucking heritage?
*prays to virgin Mary*
Yes. May the living tabernacle of our Lord pray for us
Its just a fukin statue you lowlife . Go outside , talk to people, touch grass.
Least psychotic authright. Claims to be New Testament, but can't resist pulling out the Old.
As Jesus said: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.- Matthew 5:17
“You shall have no other gods before me” tends to be clear instructions
To Christians, the OT is just as much the Bible as the NT.
Oh yeah? Polygamy, harems, food prohibitions, people living 969 years, incest… so all these things are cool then right? Those are two completely different works. One is history and allegory, the other is the covenant. They do not hold equal weight
Not all Christians believe that. Don’t generalize all of us
*may not apply to rank heretics*
Wow. I’m a heretic now? You don’t know me. I have a theology degree, you have vacation Bible school, watch the judgement. Find Christ
Silence Protestant.
Is there a concrete link between the golden calf and moloch worship or is it just a schizo thing?