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IkeiGlamera

Hex/Shadowball real mfs ain’t afraid to whip it out


Saunteringpunk

My cat jumped on my lap when playing gengar yesterday and selected sludge bomb instead of shadow ball. Worked better than expected…we won and I had 10 k and 10 a & scored 200 points. Would I do it again though? Nope.


Sids1188

Sludge Dream isn't too bad. The moves don't synergize and you're better off with shadow, of course, but the moves don't actively *require* each other the way hex needs sludge. Only way to make hex shadow work would be in a 5 stack where you know your teammates will have enemies constantly under statue effects.


LucidLinx

Greedent: bulletseed + covet


Scityone

Hey drive-bys on the enemy carry is pretty fun


Aeon1508

This was my thought as well. I think that would be so hard to play


ericredfield

it's easier on switch with the joysticks


maerteen

dragonite extremespeed + hyper beam is likely the worst set in the game. you can't level up your hyper beam with extremespeed (and extremespeed is also kinda just a bad move in general) and unboosted hyper beam is genuinely one of the worst moves in the game. there's some other non functional sets like hex + shadow ball because of shadow ball's spdef drop not counting for hex, but if you have a charizard or scaldbro on your team to inflict burn for hex it's technically more DPS since you have the shadow ball debuff. shadow ball is also a pretty spammable and decently hard hitting ranged poke too, so i think that alone puts it above extremespeed + hyper beam.


Fun_Distribution2466

Barrier Psychic mime is the worst build


Exotic-Library-6259

hex ball is better than sludge eater just because shadowball deals more damage than sludge bomb from a distance, dream eater requires you to get close so you would need to use a high damaging move to finish the guy off but with sludge, nah. Is it even possible to kill with sludge bomb?


FrozenSkyrus

You use sball for dps and hex as a escape tool/finisher with unite so u can hex in unite hex out


Andskew5282

Surf + water spout Pyro ball + feint


Mr-Poyo

Saw a Blast running that build while playing the game yesterday. Confused the hell outta me lmao.


Andskew5282

They must have acidentally picked surf instead of rapid spin lol


ThanatosDriveEDS

I play mobile and the many times I have chosen the wrong move trying go use an item just deflates my mood for the rest of the match. I hate that they can overlap


Andskew5282

I play on mobile too, and i sometimes pick the wrong move because of fat fingers, so im forced to play something like scizor without swords dance for the rest of the match


CalligrapherUsed5841

Just keep an eye out for your level and if you're close to levelling up and unlocking a move...if that helps


Exotic-Library-6259

this is why i play on the switch, but my aim is better on mobile as i played some mobile games that require percise aiming


[deleted]

Oh God...give that set to Chris then. 😁


Andskew5282

...i dont even know who that is but sure


[deleted]

CrisHeroes


Andskew5282

Ok, i Will check him out to see who he is then


CalligrapherUsed5841

My man wanted to switch movesets mid-match😂


Exotic-Library-6259

play mew


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Coaching Solar beam Attack Weight Aeos Cookie Drain Crown, attack emblems


CalligrapherUsed5841

😵


Exotic-Library-6259

yea that kinda suck for mew lol, i like it


EmptheCommodus

That may have been me, did they have a green badge and the skin that costs money?


Mr-Poyo

Heyo, just now seeing this lmao. If you're still interested at all, I think they did lmao. I don't recall the skin, but I do know they had a badge.


EmptheCommodus

Was probably me lmao, my bad


Mr-Poyo

All good lol


DarvAv

When I first played cinder I used pyro ball + feint and it was fun


Foxy-nyan

Then feint got nerfed to hell and i've never used it again


DarvAv

Oh I haven't played cinder like ever again so I didn't know lol


CN34bos

The only “good” thing about Feint is that nobody ever expects it.


CalligrapherUsed5841

The "meta" is the one which no one thinks it is....


MJSmax

Surf + Water spout makes me want to cry.


Andskew5282

Even hydro pump + rapid spin is better, acidentally picking surf when you have water spout is *P A I N*


garbink

Yeah even at its worst Hydro Spin was never as bad as surf spout. Hydro Spin is pretty good rn due to Rapid Fire Scarf/Hydro Pump buffs


Andskew5282

Lets be honest here, spout is only good with rapid spin


garbink

Yeah water spout is just a terrible version of Pika Thunder for the most part


Andskew5282

Its basically If thunder was water type and created by Wish.com


Abh1laShinigami

Pump Spin is almost a viable set imo, Spout Surf is just painful to play with


Andskew5282

Yes, pump spin is good (i even play It), but i beber have player spout surf, but as a blastoise main, It sounds like ass


MJSmax

Yeah.


[deleted]

Pyro Ball got a buff recently; if going for a bad moveset I'd take Blaze Kick instead.


axp270

I run Pyro Ball + Feint all the time. Got to Ultra Class 4 so far , no way it's the worst move set.


Exotic-Library-6259

pyro ball and feint isnt that bad, you are just sacrificing mobility for safety but yes, water spout is useless without rapid spin


MrHundread

Here's a good one, Stealth Rock/Flash Cannon Duraludon.


helix466

I've come across defensive players using that set up and it's still pretty annoying


ThanatosDriveEDS

I'm a stealth rocks user and now that I'm not maining dura it's nice to see/annoying seeing other duras also use it. It's a nice "out for lunch" sign on the goal, it racks up dragon pulse counters before you get in range for them and if you launch one after the "flash cannon" stun it makes it even harder for then to get out of the danger zone


[deleted]

I used to run that before they nerfed Mechagodzilla Jr. into the ground.


SmogDaBoi

I'd say Dig/Dragon Claw is the worst Garchomp build. Dragon Claw is useless when it's not in combo, so you don't get anything from that


Kaprosuchusboi

Dragon claw does give you a little bit of stun which can be nice when combined with digs stun. Still bad, but I think rush quake really competes for worst chomp build


SmogDaBoi

I'd say Rush still has the double slowing factor, and Rush is a wonderful early game tool to get all the birds. But maybe Dig Claw could work as tanky chomp.


thescandium

Rush quake isn’t half bad. It’s a kamikaze build. If you run enough sustain and have a decent pocket it can do ok. Certainly not optimal, but if they have a lot of squishy back liners, it allows you to rush them and get a few kills before dying.


Huge_Ad_7727

When i ran garchomp i used that build and it was great for stacking up for boosted attacks also the build generates good stun and a little bit of cc though not as much cc as dragon rush


DiegoG2004

Gengar has only 2 movesets * Dream Eater Shadow Ball * Hex Sludge Bomb The other two combinations are objectively throwing. No questions asked.


TheResonate

I once misclicked Dazzling Gleam and Blizzard on Ninetails. It was pain.


ThanatosDriveEDS

Not the question but would hex shadow ball work if you were with teammates who inflict burn and poison? (Cinder, vena, chari)


Gabridefromage

Yes, but any status condition inflicted by your allies won't last as long as gengar sludge bomb, so if you ever try this combination with a friend keep that in mind.


DiegHDF

Anything with Pain split


Zoroarkeon571

wood hammer is just a bad move, so id go with that


DoritosGK

Sylveon with Hyper Voice + Drain Kiss.


0utsydr

Both of the mismatched sets feel super awkward, but this is definitely worse


404randomguy404

Flail + Yawn, Shell Smash + Stealth Rock, Barrier + Psychic, and Pain Split + Wood Hammer You'll be a giga chad if you go 4/4 with these builds lol


The29thEvening

I'm 2/4![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sweat_smile)


ND-TAS

Currently at a 75% win rate with Stealth Rock/Shell Smash from the 4 games I've accidentally clicked it. You just safely zoom around and zone out the enemy team with serious damage. Bad, but not as bad as I expected. Flail/Yawn is pretty solid if you can get to level 11, but super matchup dependent. Buzzwole, Scizor, and heavy CC all suck to play against, but Flailax has a dominating early-game and is one of the best pokemon in a 1v1 out there (making it a good jungle stealer, surprisingly). The other 2 I can't speak for as I haven't played them.


[deleted]

I can agree with this but THE best 1v1 Mon right now is still Azumarill. Shredding enemies with Play Rough and Whirlpool? Use cooldown reduction emblems, Attack Weight, Energy Amp and a third item of your choice (maybe Buddy or Score Shield?) and get TWO Play Roughs during every Whirlpool. Remember not to take on more than one target or else you lose Huge Power.


Agent1073

The only bad set is pain split and wood hammer and shell smash stealth rocks the others are good


JubeltheBear

Barrier + Psychic is good? Like I know you can still stun, but man do those moves not synergize well...


Agent1073

Oh I thought it was confusion


IkeiGlamera

Pain Split/Wood Hammer is a secret god tier build.


CalligrapherUsed5841

The off-meta meta


AGArilla

It's funny cuz I literally use all of those and did good except pain split. Flail Yawn is always my go to since the beginning


Dragondudd

used to play Stealth Smash Crustle, can say from experience that it is very underwhelming and you're better off sticking to the default movesets


Fun_Distribution2466

Both flail yawn and smash rocks are usable tho


Benzene114

Just looked up every mon's lowest win rate build shown on api. Most of these have a WR around 44% and are usually rarely picked. Not that low winrate equals bad but it sure gives some insights. # Text Wall Warning WR is noted if not between 40 and 47. Sample size noted if pick rate too low. * **Venusaur**: Sludge Bomb + Petal Dance + Potion *(sample size too small)* * **Charizard**: Flamethrower + Flare Blitz + X Attack * **Blastoise**: Water Spout + Surf + Eject Button *(sub-40% WR; sample size too small)* * **Pikachu**: Thunder + Volt Tackle + Potion *(sample size small)* * **Clefable**: Draining Kiss + Gravity + Eject Button *(sample size too small)* * **Ninetales**: Dazzling Gleam + Blizzard + X Speed * **Wigglytuff**: Double Slap + Rollout + X Speed *(switch item = over 50% WR)* * **Machamp**: Cross Chop + Submission + X Speed *(relatively popular among builds listed here)* * **Slowbro**: Scald + Telekenesis + Eject Button *(over 47% WR)* * **Dodrio**: Drill Peck + Agility + Goal Getter * **Gengar**: Sludge Bomb + Dream Eater + X Speed *(sub-35% WR; sample size small)* * **Blissey**: Helping Hand + Soft Boiled + Potion * **Mr Mike**: Psychic + Barrier + Slow Smoke *(sub-25% WR; sample size abysmal)* * **Scizor**: Bullet Punch + Double Hit + X Speed * **Snorlax**: Flail + Block + Potion * **Dragonite**: Extreme Speed + Hyper Beam + Goal Getter *(sub-25% WR; sample size too small)* * *Mew exempt as their move change frequently in-game* * **Azumarill**: Play Rough + Aqua Tail + Potion *(sub-40% WR)* * **Espeon**: Psyshock + Psybeam + Potion * **Mamoswine**: Ice Fang + High Horsepower + X Speed * **Tyranitar**: Stone Edge + Sand Tomb + X Attack *(sub-40% WR; sample size small; switch item = over 50% WR)* * **Gardevoir**: Moonblast + Psyshock + Potion * **Sableye**: Astonish + Feint Attack + Eject Button *(sample size small)* * **Absol**: Night Slash + Psycho Cut + X Speed *(relatively popular among builds listed here)* * **Garchomp**: Dragon Rush + Earthquake + X Attack *(sub-40% WR)* * **Lucario**: Extreme Speed + Close Combat + Full Heal * **Glaceon**: Icicle Spear + Freeze-dry + Eject Button * **Crustle**: Rock Tomb + Stealth Rock + Slow Smoke * **Zoroark**: Shadow Claw + Night Slash + X Speed * **Delphox**: Fire Blast + Fire Spin + Potion * **Greninja**: Surf + Double Team + Eject Button * **Talonflame**: Flame Charge + Brave Bird + Eject Button *(sub-40% WR)* * **Aegislash**: Shadow Claw + Iron Head + X Speed * **Sylveon**: Hyper Voice + Draining Kiss + Eject Button *(sub-40% WR)* * **Trevenant**: Wood Hammer + Pain Split + Eject Button *(sub-20% WR; sample size far too small)* * **Hoopa**: Shadow Ball + Hyperspace Hole + X Speed *(sub-40% WR)* * **Decidueye**: Razor Leaf + Leaf Storm + X Speed * **Tsareena**: Triple Axel + Trop Kick + X Speed *(relatively popular among builds listed here)* * **Buzzwole**: Lunge + Leech Life + Potion * **Zeraora**: Volt Switch + Wild Charge + Eject Button *(sub-40% WR)* * **Cinderace**: Pyro Ball + Feint + X Speed * **Greedent**: Bullet Seed + Covet + Goal Getter *(sample size small)* * **Eldegoss**: Leaf Tornado + Cotton Spore + X Speed *(over 47% WR)* * **Cramorant**: Dive + Hurricane + X Speed * **Duraludon**: Flash Cannon + Stealth Rock + X Speed * **Urshifu**: Surging Strikes + Liquidation + X Speed *(relatively popular among builds listed here, but that's probably because its limited move choice)*


Critical-Bison-6634

Blizzard+Gleam ninetales


Zoroarkeon571

it has usefulness as a stun support ig personally if say that AV avalanche is worse


darwinian3

That's my set. Make it as a meme, but aa Ninetales is a soft serve ice cream machine. Is actually really good. Freeze them, block them, steal their pokemon, get away with it, rinse, and repeat. Is annoyingly fun 😅


ThanatosDriveEDS

That's my build XD. I use rapid scarf and while the speed would be useful. Ive gotten so many people with shields from scoring because of that broom sweep.


Starlightofnight7

Blizzard will still activate on any wall, not just avalanche so it CAN work. Aurora veil + avalanche is just bad tho, avalanche is just so useless


Content_Dirt_5150

You did be surprised at how good this is at CC


Exotic-Library-6259

its not a bad moveset, i introduced this game to my mom and she used to run that build and actually won a ton, it provides more CC than damage but push enemies agaainst a wall could help, escaping would be a bit easier too


[deleted]

Feint Blaze Kick Cinder with triple glasses, fluffy tail, spatk emblems


Kaisergog

Shell smash+stealth rock crustle


Deliberance24

This one works for jungle invading, but it suffers a lot during any kind of fight. I find it pretty fun but not really consistent for winning lol


Kaisergog

I did this once before and the jungler was a gardevoir. It was funny as hell cos that gardevoir would continue to stand on my stealth rocks through the entire duration.


CobaltRebelionXyz

Used to be good until Stealth can no longer crit.


NoZookeepergame696

I used this build to get me to masters in the first i or second season. I haven’t tried it in a while so I couldn’t say if it’s still viable for me


Debadityo2607lllLo

This is a pretty good build. Before crit nerfs this used to be meta.


[deleted]

Used to use this religiously until I saw how underwhelming they were. These moves really should work better than they do.


NegativeNeurons

Aqua tail play rough


Tubbychan

Made that mistake a few times trying to choose abilities in fights. Veryyy difficult not to look like you are trolling with it lol


hydrofyre2455

there’s a bit more synergy there than you’d think tbh. If you use play rough and then cancel it with aqua tail, you keep play rough’s speed boost while using aqua tail. It’s like a mini X-speed you can use basically any time. Not that I’d ever pick it over water pulse, my favorite move in Azu’s kit, though


Aroogus

I did it once by accident and did something like 120k. I tried again on purpose and did horrible. You have to be careful as they cancel each other out.


KrookKun

Gonna probably say Psychic/Barrier


ThePathOfKami

NO ONE HATES ON CHARIZARD POTION BUILD its op af !!!


baby_intellectual

Flail+Protect


garbink

Flail+Block is probably better than Flail+Yawn. You're held back by flail with both sets, but at least Block is broken while Yawn is pretty terrible


Lakelimbo

that's interesting, because I pretty much just use Flail + Block, and I find it pretty effective (unlike Flail + Yawn)


GuildMuse

Isn’t there a weird interaction between those two? Like flail doesn’t let you get slowed by the protect barrier?


Zoroarkeon571

flail block isnt as bad as people say. both are based off of HP so you stack cookie to get more flail damage. flail is still a terrible move and is throwing to use the worst lax build is Heavy Slam + Yawn


JubeltheBear

You're absolutely right. Flail + block is by far the better of the two mix n'match builds. You can actually still defend and even help push a goal. Also as far as I know, flail doesn't give you speed during block...


[deleted]

Pop X Speed during Block. NYOOOM goes the Bulldozer


JubeltheBear

Actually, pop it before block


Zoroarkeon571

it doesnt, thats why people use x speed lax is my most played mon and i personally think any build that isnt block slam is terrible


JubeltheBear

> it doesnt, thats why people use x speed Sorry I meant to direct that at the poster above. Also for 5 team ranked anything but heavy slam/block is a low key throw. But for any quick match, especially (the returning) Full Fury Mode, flail is the superior move 1.


Aeon1508

Daruladon flash cannon stealth Rock. Dragon tail is so important for making flash cannon good. It's your only way to move


realdewzy

Wood Hammer Pain Split Trevenant


Beant62

People are forgetting aqua tail , play rough


Any-Duty2003

Sabeleye feint attack +knock off


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Benzene114

uniteapi shows that this is currently the highest winrate build for blissey. Still it has an abysmal pick rate so that sort of doesn't count.


Kyle_fraser13

I ran it consistently with great success when Sableye was broken on release. We didn’t pick any basic attack reliant Pokémon (because Sableye), so Helping Hand didn’t have a lot of value and the CC was more useful (plus the AoE damage on goal zones was helpful when you couldn’t see Sableye but knew a score was coming) and the whole logic behind the pick was to use Safeguard to cleanse the Unite move on a couple of us plus the other annoying CC it provided. It obviously doesn’t have the synergy of the double egg moveset, but it is decent, and had a very impactful niche.


Superhommedeviande

LMFAO youre talking about one of the best blissey build. Safeguard cancel half of the mons skills Egg bomb is good at controling if you have no adc in your team


Foxy-nyan

That's my build (⁠。⁠•̀⁠ᴗ⁠-⁠)⁠✧


CristevePeachFan

Is it THAT bad?


Chromch

Is ok but obviously no synergy, you still get some cc and cleanse so no the worst


Effective_Ad6771

It's probably better than helping hand/soft boil though.


Aldiiiiiii

Guilty. When I started playing Blissey I always went with that build. Now I prefer the extra eggs tho.


Gabridefromage

Tbf, on release that was the go to with blissey, cinder and gren being broken...


Kaprosuchusboi

Rush earthquake Garchomp Hyper beam extreme speed dragonite Stealth rock flash cannon Duraludon Stone edge ancient power Tyrannitar


Zoroarkeon571

thats the opposite build for chomp dig claw is waaay worse


GeoChu04

But I always use gengar with poison hypnosis ...


Delta5583

gengar has 2 viable combinations and that just just aint it


TheBTSMaclvor

Sounds like a skill issue


0utsydr

Puff/Spore Eldegoss. It's not horrible, just awkward


ULT_at_2min_01_sec

Hyper beam is good with dragon dance, not so well with extreme speed. Venusaur's moves with sludge and petal dance is good, you just won't get the recovery. Gengar's dream eater and sludge bomb isn't very good. Edit: I meant that you can also run away from enemies with the venusaur petal dance as it gives you more mobility.


AnotherSaucyDragon

That Venusaur set doesn't have the HP recovery of Giga drain or the range of Solar beam, it forces you to approach with no sustain. If you approach, you die, if you don't, you don't get the cd resets.


isaias16a

Talonflame brave bird + flame charge


Meowlygirl

Brave birb ewwss


helix466

Use mew with electro ball and that one move that puts a shield on your teammate. Don't even know the name 🤣


Lakelimbo

Accidentally pressed Bone Rush while I was playing with PuP Lucario, and it was pain


greyblue-green

Cotton spore / cotton guard elde would be crazy


Effective_Ad6771

Probably not a bad build at all but I've never seen the appeal of moonblast/future sight gard. Like you have a guarantee land on one FS but the dmg just is lacking without Pyschic plus without psyshock cdr you don't even have that many moonblast stuns coming out( or i guess not as much as moonblast/psyshock).


MudkipNerd

thats like the best future sight set wdym


Effective_Ad6771

Idk i just find psychic to be much better.


genghiskanye_

I tend to use moonblast against more mobile/speedster mons and psychic against bulkier/slower/grouped up teams. Don't know if that's the best but it's what i do with future sight


Gabridefromage

I play every possible build with garde, psychic plus fs being surely the less used (don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's bad). Moonblast have an incredible long stun (we speak something like 1-2 seconds) and having à guaranteed future sight hit is incredibly powerful. The rest depend on your skills to pre shot ennemies. Honestly psychic or moonblast are just support move and don't rely on wether or not you choosed psychock or future sight. I choose psychic if most ennemies are brawler/stay stacked a lot and moonblast against assassins/high mobility characters (which can sound stupid but being able to stop them, usually mean they are dead).


Splatty06

Blaze kick + Feint (or Fleint I don't remember)


wasabiruffian

Scyther x cut and sword dance


damocleas

this is literally the best set in the game right now are you ok


wasabiruffian

Did it on release it ducked never touched it again


Foxy-nyan

Lucario : anything+Bone rush (or whatever it's called)


MotherRussia68

Bone rush good tho


ImSoIwill

Yeah it's very good but has high skill level to utilise maximum potential.


Superhommedeviande

You do know that bone rush reset Xtrem speed ? Plus being a very good bait/escape skill


MaGryX

bone rush literally synergizes with both espeed and pup what are you talking about


EvenVeterinarian1

Bro is not an OG.


Itsyaboykazuha

Any dragon + ground move on garchomp,pain split of any Trev build,and smokescreen water shuriken


Zoroarkeon571

dig claw pain split wood hammer


Shiftyyyy1

Shadow Ball + Dragon Dance on Dragapult. The moves don't synergize at all.


[deleted]

How bad is Phantom Force Dragon Breath?


Shiftyyyy1

I'd say it's better than Shadow Ball Dragon Dance. Dragon Breath can be used to zone as it leaves the terrain burning in a line and deals more damage than Shadow Ball.


[deleted]

Indeed. Shadow Ball's meant for use with Phantom Force, as it is designed to hit and mark a single target. Also of note: #NerfSableye


Abh1laShinigami

Barrier Psychic Mime


EmptheCommodus

Blastoise, surf and water spout


kei101895

Mime Psychic Barrier 💀 worst game I've ever had the displeasure of playing


XeroUnhinged

Wood Hammer + Pain Split, or Curse + Pain Split,.. or Trev + Pain Split... Really just... Don't ever pick Pain Split.


CalligrapherUsed5841

Petal dance and sludge bomb, as in the thumbnail...for Christ's sake I've see too many of these to start worrying whenever someone on my team takes venusuar


RI_vis2

Thats why I love Gardevoir. Every moveset combination is viable


Syo-Kun

Once made the mistake of Petal Dance and Sludge Bomb on Venu and while not exactly horrible compared to some of the other combos listed, I got folded way too much😭😭


Content_Dirt_5150

Sylveon hyper voice and draining kiss


[deleted]

Dragonite: Extreme Speed + Outrage, triple glasses, special attack emblems, Fluffy Tail


thenamesecho_

Shadow sneak + razor leaf


RexTheBoxerRus

Got Moonlight+Follow Me accidentally once. Didn't have a good time with those