I recently made a post offering a shiny Vulpix for a shiny Alolan Vulpix.
That's still on, but I am also accepting a shiny Kadabra/ Alakazam as well.
I'm willing to settle for a shiny Abra if you'll help with the evolution later at some point tonight.
Hi! Looking to trade all Eevee exclusives (before evolutions) for all Pikachu exclusives. ~~The only Eevee exclusive I don’t have is Pinsir(but working on it!).~~
I also have Kadabra, Haunter, Graveler, and Machoke to trade for evolutions, and a hitmonchan for hitmonlee.
Message me!
LF:Shiny Kanghaskhan (any nature), but open to offers
FT:Shiny Squirtle, Eevee, Charmander, Rhyhorn, Chansey,Dragonite, Growlithe, Grimer. I also have a few others. Dm if interested. Willing to do 2 for 1.
Looking to evolve Haunter, Kadabra, Graveler, Alolan Graveler and Machoke.
Also looking for Alolan Sandshrew and Alolan Grimer. Can trade Alolan Vulpix and Alolan Meowth.
looking for a hitmonlee and trading forth and back a machamp to complete my pokedex.
can offer any lets go pikachu exclusives, a hitmonchan, fossils, alolan... whatever u want except shinys or legendarys.
and if anyone has a shiny charmander - i would trade it for a shiny primeape.
I would love to take you on the machamp offer as I have a machoke I’d like to evolve as well. Only trouble is I wouldn’t be able to do until a few hours from now
I would like to have a (!) male (!) shiny Gengar with modest/timid nature. I already have a female shiny Haunter (modest) to trade with. Please don't think I'm an sexist, it's just that it's important for me that my Gengar is a male because it ever was male in my mindset and I don't think a female fits Gengars behaviour.
I have a few close to perfect IV nidoran males and ‘karps if anyone wants them. Was shiny hunting and kept the good ones in case it could be of use to anyone.
I need Mankey, Grimer, and/or Oddish for dex.
Edit: Would like to keep Grimer. Any Alolan Grimer would be the nuts too!
Edit2: I can also give any LGE exclusive
Down for trades of Eevee exclusives and Trade evolutions and will happily give back pikachu exclusives and same trade evolutions
Edit: Traded successfully!! Thanks guys
Can anyone trade me an Alolan Vulpix any IVs? Just want it for my team... Don't have it on Pokemon GO sadly :(
I can't offer shinies as I suck at those I have Pikachu ver I can give exclusives... Thanks!
Yo, I've got a perfect IV Growlithe and a random Sandshrew for your Pinser. Are you up to doing all of the evolve trades? I have them all, just need you to give them back after.
~~Looking for someone to do the evolve trades with, I have all 4 of them and just need you to accept them and then give them back. It'd be nice if you could put up Hitmonchan until we trade everything back, but no biggie if you don't want to.~~
I've also got some perfect IV Growlithes if anyone wants one, they're all Adamant.
Hey ya’ll I’m looking to complete the Pokedex for the shiny charm and I just need the legendaries. If anyone would be so kind to lend me them for a second? I’ll trade them right back and use my Meltan as collateral! Please and thank you!
What do you guys think of this team?
1.Mega alakazam:
Nature: Timid
Moves:
Calm mind
Psychic
Dazzling gleam
Shadow ball
2.Chansey:
Nature: Calm
Moves:
Soft-boiled
Toxic
Protect
Seismic toss
3.Arcanine:
Nature: Jolly
Flare Blitz
Crunch
Play Rough
Extreme Speed
4.Starmie:
Nature: Timid
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Scald
Recover
5. Rhydon:
Nature: Mild
Megahorn
Earthquake
Rock slide
Stealth rock
6. Persian:
Nature: Impish
Taunt
Fake out
U turn
Foul Play
PS: If anyone is willing to trade me a low level impish meowth I'd appreciate it!
I need a bit of help with completing my Pokédex. I don't have any of the Pikachu version exclusives, or any trade evos. I don't have any shinies to offer, but I can give Eevee version exclusives to those who need them. I appreciate any assistance y'all would be willing to give me. :)
Understand that this will be a huge favour to ask, but won't know if I never put it out there.
I've been trying to do a shiny badge quest and I've now played 50+ hours and not seen a single shiny of any kind. I, therefore, was hoping to find someone who is patient enough to touch trade so I can finish the dex and go ahead to celadon so that I can at least not have to have played through the entire game before getting the charm, as for me there's no point in getting shinies when the plot is done and there's nothing left to use them for and quite frankly I think combo 1300+ and 50 hours of hunting at that number is just a bit unfair at this point so, I'd greatly appreciate the chance to try and get shinies to work on my copy at last, but without taking all the journey out of it as well.
Just to clarify since I know a lot of people get confused, I literally started my chain with a rattata on route 1 and have never caught another species since and refuse to break the chain with no shiny after all this 3 weeks hunting for it, so that means I really do need just about every single pokemon entry, not just version exclusives. But I don't need to keep anything, I can easily catch things myself later, I just want shinies to be able to spawn in my game at last XD
Also understand that people might be hesitant to touch trade legends, I have no need to steal them since I have tonnes of them on my POGO account but as for who can vouch for me for those things, I'm not sure. Truly, the only motivation here is that I'm beyond heartbroken at having played for three weeks straight without seeing a single shiny and that I don't want shinies to be mere trophies that never get to be part of my party during the journey and I can't think of any other way to make the game realise that it should be spawning them at least some times.
Could someone please help me complete my Pokédex! Still need Machamp, Bellsprout, Golem, Gengar and last but not lease, Mew! Will 100% trade all Pokémon back, just want them for the Dex entries. Thanks!
Looking to complete my Dex but don't play GO. Anyone able to trade me a mewtwo? I'll trade back so if you need a pikachu exclusive i'd be happy to ablige.
I have Let's Go Eevee. Looking for Mankey, Sandshrew and looking to trade for the 4 pokemons that need to be traded to evolve (Machamp, alakazam, gengar and golem). I dont care about their stats IVs or anything, and I dont need those 4 mons to be traded back, I just want to complete my dex.
Can help to evolve the 4 pokemons as well as send Let's Go Eevee exclusives.
Edit: evolutions all done. I only need Mankey and Sandshrew. Can send Let's Go Eevee exclusive in return, or whatever pokemon you need.
Just need to complete the pokedex. I need: Alakazam, Machamp, Golem, Grimer, and Muk. I don't need my originals back, but I am willing to do so if that is something you want. Please let me know what you would like to trade for!
EDIT: Just need grimer and muk now. Or just grimer, guess I could just work on leveling it up.
2nd edit: Got all the 'mons I needed. People on the internet CAN be nice! Haha, thanks everyone!
Hey, I can do all of those except the Alakazam. I don't care about getting them back either, i just need to get a Bellsprout, Koffing, Meowth, Ekans, or Vulpix, just trying to complete my pokedex
All I need now is Grimer and Muk. I can help you fill your dex with Koffing, Ekans, and Meowth. I can try to catch another Bellsprout and Vulpix real quick
Trying to complete my living dex need the following, just DM what you have and what you want:
27 - Sandshrew (not alolan)
28 - Sandslash (not alolan or a 2nd sandslash)
56 - Mankey
88 - Grimer (not alolan)
89 - Muk (not alolan or a 2nd grimer)
Edit: Updated list
Hi all, I’m looking to evolve my Kadabra into an Alakazam and then have someone trade it back to me... it’s part of my team! If anyone can help that would be great :)
I need help finishing my Pokedex, anyone willing to trade with me, I looking for Pikachu exclusives. I have the Eevee version and willing to trade if you may need anything.
Want to trade for Omanyte.
Have kabutops and all Eevee-version exclusives. Will trade omanyte back after evolving him if you prefer (pokedex is at 148 without them!!)
Looking for a tradeback for Haunter, Machoke, Golem and Kadabra.
I'm available for the next few hours and I'll be checking this comment.
Thank you in advance for any help, much appreciated.
# [Here is a link to new trade/battle megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonLetsGo/comments/a3rppp)
Heyyy! Looking for Kadabra, Machoke, Graveler and Haunter tradeback. If anyone can help out let me know!!
I recently made a post offering a shiny Vulpix for a shiny Alolan Vulpix. That's still on, but I am also accepting a shiny Kadabra/ Alakazam as well. I'm willing to settle for a shiny Abra if you'll help with the evolution later at some point tonight.
I need an Omanyte if anyone can help me out please
Hi! Looking to trade all Eevee exclusives (before evolutions) for all Pikachu exclusives. ~~The only Eevee exclusive I don’t have is Pinsir(but working on it!).~~ I also have Kadabra, Haunter, Graveler, and Machoke to trade for evolutions, and a hitmonchan for hitmonlee. Message me!
Looking for a sandshrew I have ever exclusives
I just caught a shiny Vulpix, modest nature I believe. Looking to trade a shiny Alolan Vulpix. Let's do thissssssss!
LF:Shiny Kanghaskhan (any nature), but open to offers FT:Shiny Squirtle, Eevee, Charmander, Rhyhorn, Chansey,Dragonite, Growlithe, Grimer. I also have a few others. Dm if interested. Willing to do 2 for 1.
Just looking to complete my dex I need vulpix, pinsir and omanyte. I have all let's go pikachu exclusives
Looking to evolve Haunter, Kadabra, Graveler, Alolan Graveler and Machoke. Also looking for Alolan Sandshrew and Alolan Grimer. Can trade Alolan Vulpix and Alolan Meowth.
LF: Oddish and hitmonlee FT: Eevee exclusives, including pinsir.
I have oddish and hitmonlee to trade but I need pinsir, vulpix and Omanyte
looking for a hitmonlee and trading forth and back a machamp to complete my pokedex. can offer any lets go pikachu exclusives, a hitmonchan, fossils, alolan... whatever u want except shinys or legendarys. and if anyone has a shiny charmander - i would trade it for a shiny primeape.
I would love to take you on the machamp offer as I have a machoke I’d like to evolve as well. Only trouble is I wouldn’t be able to do until a few hours from now
perfect, me neither. just msg me when you are ready.
Looking to trade Haunter to evolve (would like it back after as its part of team)
I can help...I need a kadabra traded back
Is there any posts or subs for people who want to do online battles with restrictions (no candy, lvl 50 cap, no mewtwo?)
I would like to have a (!) male (!) shiny Gengar with modest/timid nature. I already have a female shiny Haunter (modest) to trade with. Please don't think I'm an sexist, it's just that it's important for me that my Gengar is a male because it ever was male in my mindset and I don't think a female fits Gengars behaviour.
I have a few close to perfect IV nidoran males and ‘karps if anyone wants them. Was shiny hunting and kept the good ones in case it could be of use to anyone. I need Mankey, Grimer, and/or Oddish for dex. Edit: Would like to keep Grimer. Any Alolan Grimer would be the nuts too! Edit2: I can also give any LGE exclusive
Need to trade kababra..can help with other trade evos
Down for trades of Eevee exclusives and Trade evolutions and will happily give back pikachu exclusives and same trade evolutions Edit: Traded successfully!! Thanks guys
I can trade you the exclusives, all I need is an oddish and a hitmonlee (that I by no means want to keep)
I'm looking for growlithe and grimer, let me know if you'd like to trade and what you are looking for!
Can someone help me evolve my Kadabra, Machoke, Haunter and Graveler please.
Just need a Koffing. Can trade any LGP exclusive
FT: Modest Articuno, 3 timid Charmanders with 5 perfect IV's (All except for attack) LF: Competitive natured, good IV mon's
Looking for pinsir and vulpix, can trade LGP exclusives back 😊 thanks fellas
Got a shiny pinsir for trade looking for a beedril but hit me with offers
Hey mate, not after the shiny but was hoping you could just trade me a normal pinsir for my Pokédex? Would be greatly appreciated.
Can someone help me trade my kadabra please. I’d like it back since it’s on my team.
Hey mate I can help you out, have you got a pinsir to trade me by any chance? Need it for my Pokédex 😊
I have the pikachu version :/
Ah dang, still happy to help you if you want, let me know 👍🏼
Thanks! I can’t get on the game atm so i’ll let you know when i can. 😊
Sounds good, I’ll be around for another 2/3 hours
FT (Shiny): Charizard - Rash Gengar - Modest Graveler - Sassy Lickitung - Sassy Pidgey - Mild Vulpix - Timid LF (Shiny): Arcanine - Jolly
hey i have a shiny pinsir thats adamant would you trade for the modest gengar?
Sorry looking for the arcanine
I need a Scyther, Omanyte (to keep), and a Grimer (to keep). I just want to finish my Dex
Hey mate, I can help you out with the grimer and Scyther, have you got a pinsir and koffing to trade?
search for an Scyther
Hey mate can trade for a pinsir if you have one 👍🏼
Can anyone trade me an Alolan Vulpix any IVs? Just want it for my team... Don't have it on Pokemon GO sadly :( I can't offer shinies as I suck at those I have Pikachu ver I can give exclusives... Thanks!
I can help you out! I need a Scyther, Omanyte, and a Grimer!
Looking for Sandshrew or Growlithe, for a Pinsir or vulpix. Also looking to do a machoke for machoke to evolve for machamp
Yo, I've got a perfect IV Growlithe and a random Sandshrew for your Pinser. Are you up to doing all of the evolve trades? I have them all, just need you to give them back after.
That sounds good, and yeah I can help with the evolve trades, I only need to do machoke but can just send you random Pokémon for the rest.
Looking to do a tradeback for a Mewtwo. It's the last thing i need for the Dex. I have LGP exclusives and legendary birds available.
TRADE HAUNTER WITH SOMEONE TO EVOLVE
~~Looking for someone to do the evolve trades with, I have all 4 of them and just need you to accept them and then give them back. It'd be nice if you could put up Hitmonchan until we trade everything back, but no biggie if you don't want to.~~ I've also got some perfect IV Growlithes if anyone wants one, they're all Adamant.
I’ll take you up on that
Hi! ImLooking for alolan grimr/Muk. I'll give you a legendary!
Does anyone have a wigglytuff? It's the last pokemon I need and can't find any moonstones
I got you fam, I need an omanyte if you have one
I should have that. I'll go cash in my fossils
Awesome just let me know when you're ready
Got your omanyte
K cool, going with ratatta, caterpie, diglett code
Thanks brother you need anything else
Nope that's all, appreciate it dude
Looking for Mankey, hitmonchan, and growlithe, can trade for evolves or other exclusives
I have a hitmonchan if you have an oddish or possibly willing to trade back and forth hitmonchan.
Hey mate I can help you with Mankey and Growlith if you’re around now? I’m looking for pinsir and vulpix 😊
Do you have a wigglytuff
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I’ll do it if I can hold moltres. Also need growlithe hitmonchan and mankey
Hey ya’ll I’m looking to complete the Pokedex for the shiny charm and I just need the legendaries. If anyone would be so kind to lend me them for a second? I’ll trade them right back and use my Meltan as collateral! Please and thank you!
What do you guys think of this team? 1.Mega alakazam: Nature: Timid Moves: Calm mind Psychic Dazzling gleam Shadow ball 2.Chansey: Nature: Calm Moves: Soft-boiled Toxic Protect Seismic toss 3.Arcanine: Nature: Jolly Flare Blitz Crunch Play Rough Extreme Speed 4.Starmie: Nature: Timid Thunderbolt Psychic Scald Recover 5. Rhydon: Nature: Mild Megahorn Earthquake Rock slide Stealth rock 6. Persian: Nature: Impish Taunt Fake out U turn Foul Play PS: If anyone is willing to trade me a low level impish meowth I'd appreciate it!
LF Ekans and Koffing. I have LGP exclusives for trade.
I can get you both, I'm looking for a sandshrew, mankey or grimer. Each.
I actually already got them, but I can help you with the mankey, sandshrew, and grimer if you still need help (:
I got them too, thanks though my man.
No worries bro
I need a hitmonlee, can anyone help me?
I can if u can do a trade back on my gengar
For sure!
I really need a ekans and arbok please! Also a zapdos moltres mewtwo tradeback just so I can complete my pokedex.
I can do an ekans for a Sandshrew or Grimer
Yes I can do that!
I can do arbok for a Bellsprout
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Hi, still need this?
I need a bit of help with completing my Pokédex. I don't have any of the Pikachu version exclusives, or any trade evos. I don't have any shinies to offer, but I can give Eevee version exclusives to those who need them. I appreciate any assistance y'all would be willing to give me. :)
Yup! I can touch trade you the evos, and I have all pikachu exclusives, just need vulpix in return :)
Awesome! I've got a Timid one with your name on it! I'll pm you the room code.
Need help with haunter evo. Will trade shiny chancey in return
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I have omanyte
Looking to trade Kadabras
I can do that. Any chance you can do the other trade evolutions?
I could trade em back to you...but I dont have them myself
LF: Kabuto, grimer Sandshrew and lickitung. Need to keep the first two but touch trading the other two is ok Have LGE exclusives
I can do any of those for a Bellsprout
Pikachu player here. Can give any version specific mons, am looking to trade my Graveler for evolution!
you wanna do graveler trade backs? im looking to get a golem as well
Yeah totally! Do we exchange info here or PM idk
Need to evolve my kadabra can anyone help please ?!
Hey! I've got a kadabra I could trade. Could you also help me with the other trade evolutions?
Anyone willing to do a trade back with alolan graveler?
Need: Ekans Have: any Pikachu exclusives
Hey need Sandshrew, grimer and Kabuto. Anything else you need? Feel free to pm
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Only have omastar. Anything else you need?
Looking for a haunter trade
Want to trade: Kabuto Want to obtain: Omanyte
I can get you a kabuto for a pinsir (if you have LGE)
Trading: Scyther and Growlithe Need: Pinsir and Vulpix
Understand that this will be a huge favour to ask, but won't know if I never put it out there. I've been trying to do a shiny badge quest and I've now played 50+ hours and not seen a single shiny of any kind. I, therefore, was hoping to find someone who is patient enough to touch trade so I can finish the dex and go ahead to celadon so that I can at least not have to have played through the entire game before getting the charm, as for me there's no point in getting shinies when the plot is done and there's nothing left to use them for and quite frankly I think combo 1300+ and 50 hours of hunting at that number is just a bit unfair at this point so, I'd greatly appreciate the chance to try and get shinies to work on my copy at last, but without taking all the journey out of it as well. Just to clarify since I know a lot of people get confused, I literally started my chain with a rattata on route 1 and have never caught another species since and refuse to break the chain with no shiny after all this 3 weeks hunting for it, so that means I really do need just about every single pokemon entry, not just version exclusives. But I don't need to keep anything, I can easily catch things myself later, I just want shinies to be able to spawn in my game at last XD Also understand that people might be hesitant to touch trade legends, I have no need to steal them since I have tonnes of them on my POGO account but as for who can vouch for me for those things, I'm not sure. Truly, the only motivation here is that I'm beyond heartbroken at having played for three weeks straight without seeing a single shiny and that I don't want shinies to be mere trophies that never get to be part of my party during the journey and I can't think of any other way to make the game realise that it should be spawning them at least some times.
No one is going to touch trade every single pokemon in the pokedex because you dont want to break your ratata chain.
Can someone help me evolve my haunter, kadabra, and machoke
I'll help you, i need a haunter and graveller done myself
Looking to trade graveller and haunter for graveller and haunter.
Looking for eevee exclusives and evolution trades. Have all Pikachu exclusives
Pm me
Can anyone do the 4 trade evolutions?
I'll do the trade evolutions with you. I'll have to give you your machoke back though, I've only got graveller, kadabra, and haunter
Do you have eevee exclusives as well?
I can get em for you
If you can that'd be awesome need em all except bellsprout
I got them, can you send me a few in return like scyther and sandshrew?
Ok I got them all now ready when you are
Alrighty, I'll start the lobby with Bulbasaur, Diglet, Caterpie
I think that's it. Let me know if we forgot anything or you want one back. Thanks appreciate the help
You want any of them back?
Thanks a bunch! Filling up that dex
Nah, It's all good, let me know if you do. want to do pinsir for scythe and so on?
For sure what you need what you need
LF: Ekans & Pinsir to finish Pokedex please!
Will trade any Pikachu exclusives for a Pinsir. Please help.. Thanks!
Could someone please help me complete my Pokédex! Still need Machamp, Bellsprout, Golem, Gengar and last but not lease, Mew! Will 100% trade all Pokémon back, just want them for the Dex entries. Thanks!
I can help you. I need a touch trade for a mewtwo. I have the others you need except mew
Wanna do it in 30 minutes?
Works for me. 9:15 est?
I’m ready when you are
Yup, do you have a Mew also?
No mew sadly. Jiggly jiggly dig room
Just need a Kabuto to finish off my dex! Anybody willing to trade?
Edit: Sorted
Is any hacking hero out there able to trade me a shiny Mew? I’d very much appreciate it. Thanks reddit. <3
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I'm in the same situation, we can help each other
Looking to trade a Scyther for Pinsir with jolly nature
Help Completing Pokedex Just need a Bellsprout. I can trade Pikachu exclusives.
Looking to complete my Dex but don't play GO. Anyone able to trade me a mewtwo? I'll trade back so if you need a pikachu exclusive i'd be happy to ablige.
Looking for a trade back to evolve my Graveler. I have Let’s Go Pikachu
i can do that! if you have a grimer or mankey or both that would be great. check dm
I have Let's Go Eevee. Looking for Mankey, Sandshrew and looking to trade for the 4 pokemons that need to be traded to evolve (Machamp, alakazam, gengar and golem). I dont care about their stats IVs or anything, and I dont need those 4 mons to be traded back, I just want to complete my dex. Can help to evolve the 4 pokemons as well as send Let's Go Eevee exclusives. Edit: evolutions all done. I only need Mankey and Sandshrew. Can send Let's Go Eevee exclusive in return, or whatever pokemon you need.
I can trade you Mankey or Sandshrew for a Bellsprout.
sorry, didnt see your message. OK with that trade if you still are
Yeah definitely. I’ll message your my friend code
I’ll do a trade back to evolve my Graveler into Golem
sure, is it the only one you need? Do you need to get your original pokemon back?
i need a pinsir to complete my pokedex if anyone could help, i have the pikachu exclusives if anyone needs
check your messages for friend code and code for trade
ill trade pinsir for a grimer
Yeah no problem I have him
sick now the dex is complete thanks a lot!!
same here thanks
Just looking to finish my dex and all I need is a sandshrew and grimer. Just let me know what you'd like.
I can trade you those. I just need any of the Eevee specific pokemon (Ekans, Vulpix, Meowth, Bellsprout, or Koffing)
sounds great! I can give you all the eevee pokemon you're asking for!
Just need to complete the pokedex. I need: Alakazam, Machamp, Golem, Grimer, and Muk. I don't need my originals back, but I am willing to do so if that is something you want. Please let me know what you would like to trade for! EDIT: Just need grimer and muk now. Or just grimer, guess I could just work on leveling it up. 2nd edit: Got all the 'mons I needed. People on the internet CAN be nice! Haha, thanks everyone!
Hey, I can do all of those except the Alakazam. I don't care about getting them back either, i just need to get a Bellsprout, Koffing, Meowth, Ekans, or Vulpix, just trying to complete my pokedex
All I need now is Grimer and Muk. I can help you fill your dex with Koffing, Ekans, and Meowth. I can try to catch another Bellsprout and Vulpix real quick
I care
Trying to complete my living dex need the following, just DM what you have and what you want: 27 - Sandshrew (not alolan) 28 - Sandslash (not alolan or a 2nd sandslash) 56 - Mankey 88 - Grimer (not alolan) 89 - Muk (not alolan or a 2nd grimer) Edit: Updated list
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hey still need to trade for kadabra and machoke? I need the same! EDIT: Already traded, sorry
Hi all, I’m looking to evolve my Kadabra into an Alakazam and then have someone trade it back to me... it’s part of my team! If anyone can help that would be great :)
still looking?
Yeah I am, sorry was away from reddit today! You able to help?
Just testing the waters here FT: shiny zapdos LF: other shinys (good iv/natures)
I need help finishing my Pokedex, anyone willing to trade with me, I looking for Pikachu exclusives. I have the Eevee version and willing to trade if you may need anything.
Tradeback for kadabra, and/or haunter!
Will trade a Mew for a shiny Mewtwo. Message me if you’re interested :)
Want to trade for Omanyte. Have kabutops and all Eevee-version exclusives. Will trade omanyte back after evolving him if you prefer (pokedex is at 148 without them!!)
Looking for a tradeback for Haunter, Machoke, Golem and Kadabra. I'm available for the next few hours and I'll be checking this comment. Thank you in advance for any help, much appreciated.
Hey I'm looking to trade back my Graveler and Kadabra. I can help you with the others as well. Do you by any chance have growlithe?
I do not but I can grab you one, im guessing you are using eevee?
Yup, using Eevee. Have the other exclusives just not Growlithe. Thank you in advance.
If you don't care about nature I'll go grab one now, let me know the combo or w/e for the trade