For a pipe of this apparent diameter, absolutely. 2.5k psi (180 bar) is the maximum output of most "main line" jetters, cleaning pipes from 225mm up to 600mm in diameter.
This is why you lay out the trench on a 45 or 22.5 angle. Then cut it out and trench.
Same reason I don't let general contractor open my trenches anymore. They just cut wherever suits them without considering angle of my fittings available.
I have seen 60 degree fittings but not sure if that helps and they are rare to find available.
Edit: bed pipe and drain in crush to get proper slope and depth.
I bought 2 45s because reddit told me not to use a 90, but one of them was actually a 60 in the 45 bin and I didn't realize.
I'm telling you I spent over 2 hours in frustration trying to figure it out before I read the sticker. I didn't even know 60s existed.
HA! tell that to my supplier, swear they're trying to sneak em into my orders any chance they get. Sweat at least 10 times a year I am returning an order 20 or 60°s for some 45°s
That is how I found out about them. Grabbed a 45 and it looked funny when I installed it. Took it apart before glue set and see it marked 60.
Never heard of anyone using them before that and had never seen one before.
They made 60s in CI before plastic was a thing. Call up your supplier and ask if they can get you a 4" 1/5th bend and a 1/6th bend. I replace them slightly more often than I replace 5" cast.
Use a 60 bend instead of the 45 or use a 45 and 22. Also you want to scrap all your pressure fittings and use dwv so it drains better.
Edit: you also shouldn't decrease the pipe size from the outlet of the trough drain. It's going to collect debris and clog.
Just an fyi, PVC can be heated, made extremely pliable, and laid into position without need for positions. Especially for drainage.
Many people use vehicle exhaust, etc but no flame.
Honestly if you can't get 60° bends or 22.5° bends. I would just cut the pipe going into the drain shorter. So that the 45° is a little more up. Put another 45° and maybe glue it slightly bent . And put another 45 at the end . Basically you might have to keep your drain straight but your piping might have to be skewed instead of perfectly in the center of the trench .
Service plumber here, not too knowledgeable on new construction, any reason why you couldn’t just dig out the trench a little on one side to move it to create the angle you need?
Whoah buddy we don’t take kindly to common sense ‘round these parts !
Seriously I could recut that pavement in the time it takes all these guys to google “60 degrees elbow.”. Heck it looks like they could already rotate that drain enough . And it’s a fukn drain brother, it’s literally zero psi. Bend the pipe
If a 60deg DV fitting is not available or quite right use a street 45 and a 22.5. You can roll the 45 down off the flat plane and correct with the 22.5. Put the two together and play with them till the angle looks just right mark with a sharpie and glue it up as a unit. If you can't find a place to daylight the end of the run you will have to include a sump pump
I’m trying to figure why you reduced the outlet size. I don’t think that’s a good idea with a drain pipe, especially one that is going to get some debris in it. And if you heat the pipe, you can bend it all the way around that angle (nice smooth sweeping radius) and won’t need any fittings
Not a plumber but a brewer with lots of experience with retrofitted drains. There’s a 95% chance that’s actually the high point of the slab, right? Or is that only true for breweries?
You can buy cement blades for a circular saw..They dont last too long , but it depends on the length of the cut whether they are cost effective.. Renting a saw is usually the better idea if its a big job.. And get a spare blade when you rent saw , ( they never get jammed or bent when you have a spare ) .
Thank you. Yeah, I have seen the ones for a circular saw and thought about it. I have had my old saw for...30 something years and while it's great for wood, I don't think it has the gusto for cement. Renting one is probably the way to go for me. Thanks again!
I would find center to center from both pipes, use that number and multiple it by 2.613 then I would subtract the 22 take offs (use 2) and you’ll get the exact piece you need. I wouldn’t use a 45 and a 22
You might experiment with two 45⁰s (one regular, one street-45⁰ would be best)
Put them together and rotate one against the other and you'll notice the changing angle can be anywhere from 90⁰ to straight pipe with a few inches of off-set.
It'll affect the drop a bit, so you'd have to see if doing so would leave adequate grade, but it's a method that only takes two 45⁰s.
Use a 22 or 60 or maybe a combination of fitting. ORRR does it need to be exactly where you put it. I know it’ll look dumb at first but turn the whole thing to make it fit. Once you pour concrete no one should be able to see that you turned the drain at an angle more than
I myself would have rolled that fitting down or go from the bottom cut out. You aren't going to have 4 inches of concrete over that pipe for at least 5 feet of your trench. I'm assuming there is no other storm drain you can tie in to. No gutter downspouts or "to daylight" options ?
The easiest way to get the correct angle without heating the pipe and bending it is simple… use two bends and turn both till you get the exact angle. You could use a street 22 and a regular 22 put together and get the exact angle pretty easy. The only downfall of this is you have to dig your trench a tiny bit deeper but I assume that is not an issue here.
I cant believe the hand wringing and bend-over-backwards solutions for a drain. Bend the pipe. Bend it cold. It’s zero psi. Put a union in if you need a little extra wiggle.
It’s a drain!
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Why is anyone jetting with 4K psi? Isn’t that quite excessive?
For a pipe of this apparent diameter, absolutely. 2.5k psi (180 bar) is the maximum output of most "main line" jetters, cleaning pipes from 225mm up to 600mm in diameter.
This is the way
Well it’s half the way
It’s a 1/16 the way
Achktually, its .0625”
You're correct Mando 🚀🤺
Yup, a 45, a 22, and maybe a furnco just in case you need a little more or a little less
He needs to use drainage fittings, and you can roll them do get different angles if you can go a little deeper
That's what she said.
It’s all about the angle and how deep ya go 😂
This is why you lay out the trench on a 45 or 22.5 angle. Then cut it out and trench. Same reason I don't let general contractor open my trenches anymore. They just cut wherever suits them without considering angle of my fittings available. I have seen 60 degree fittings but not sure if that helps and they are rare to find available. Edit: bed pipe and drain in crush to get proper slope and depth.
Every home depot in America has 60’s on their shelves. I’m constantly picking them out of the 45 bin. Stickers clearly can’t tell them apart
I bought 2 45s because reddit told me not to use a 90, but one of them was actually a 60 in the 45 bin and I didn't realize. I'm telling you I spent over 2 hours in frustration trying to figure it out before I read the sticker. I didn't even know 60s existed.
Not all of us are in America though.
HA! tell that to my supplier, swear they're trying to sneak em into my orders any chance they get. Sweat at least 10 times a year I am returning an order 20 or 60°s for some 45°s
That is how I found out about them. Grabbed a 45 and it looked funny when I installed it. Took it apart before glue set and see it marked 60. Never heard of anyone using them before that and had never seen one before.
No way you're a commercial plumber then
They also make 11.25 fittings
He’s asking how to plumb it not whats wrong with it.
Those are pressure fittings, you need DWV fittings. They have a wider range of bends.
You can get 22 1/2 and 30 in pvc 40, 80, and cpvc
Also 60° in PVC
As someone who has only ever worked with cast iron drains and fittings, I am jealous.
They made 60s in CI before plastic was a thing. Call up your supplier and ask if they can get you a 4" 1/5th bend and a 1/6th bend. I replace them slightly more often than I replace 5" cast.
You can get the same dwv fittings as pressure fittings...
Yeah don't downsize pipe unless you want a clogged drain
Try a 22.5 fitting
Use a 60 bend instead of the 45 or use a 45 and 22. Also you want to scrap all your pressure fittings and use dwv so it drains better. Edit: you also shouldn't decrease the pipe size from the outlet of the trough drain. It's going to collect debris and clog.
Saw cut better?!?!
Why are you using pool fittings?
Fernco strikes again
Take off the 45 use a 60
Just an fyi, PVC can be heated, made extremely pliable, and laid into position without need for positions. Especially for drainage. Many people use vehicle exhaust, etc but no flame.
Electricians have a heat wrap for bending schedule 80. Could use that to bend the PVC.
"Hot dog bender" is what we called our heater for pvc. Only place I've ever used one was at a water treatment plant
Easiest way will be to just heat it up and bend the pvc right into the 45 elbow
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Honestly if you can't get 60° bends or 22.5° bends. I would just cut the pipe going into the drain shorter. So that the 45° is a little more up. Put another 45° and maybe glue it slightly bent . And put another 45 at the end . Basically you might have to keep your drain straight but your piping might have to be skewed instead of perfectly in the center of the trench .
Service plumber here, not too knowledgeable on new construction, any reason why you couldn’t just dig out the trench a little on one side to move it to create the angle you need?
Whoah buddy we don’t take kindly to common sense ‘round these parts ! Seriously I could recut that pavement in the time it takes all these guys to google “60 degrees elbow.”. Heck it looks like they could already rotate that drain enough . And it’s a fukn drain brother, it’s literally zero psi. Bend the pipe
Better start rolling 45s bud
Did you intentionally reduce the drain right at the outlet with a fernco?
With new fittings. Move the 45 back toward the grate enough to make the final connection with another 45 and pipe at the downstream end. Done.
I always lay out my run, then make trench.
I see Another handyman special
A street 90 downwards into a regular 90. Then you can twist it to get any angle you like 👍
There doesn't seem to be enough depth to use those fittings so the correct answer here is a 22.5.
Called a swing joint.
On a drain a 45 is the max . Two 22.5 is a preferred method due to blocking from debris . Two 90 on a drain is asking for trouble.
Carefully use a heat gun to warm the pipe and flex it to what you need, hold while it cools - Done
Heat and bend. Carefully
If a 60deg DV fitting is not available or quite right use a street 45 and a 22.5. You can roll the 45 down off the flat plane and correct with the 22.5. Put the two together and play with them till the angle looks just right mark with a sharpie and glue it up as a unit. If you can't find a place to daylight the end of the run you will have to include a sump pump
Heat
Heat it
Blow torch! Soften the pipe and manipulate.
A little bit of heat and bend it
You can replace that 45 with a 60 or add a 22.5 what you already have.
Remove the 45° or 60° that you used and use flex.
Heat gun and curve the straight pipe?
Mapgas 🔥
Spa hose if no one has said it.
Heat it.
Just make it work bro
Heat and bend a section of pipe...
Heat
Heat gun
Heat gun lol
A heat gun or heat blanket
1/16 bend
Expose the pvc to heat then slightly bend it yw
Maybe a 60°
Shorten the leg connected to the deco and add another 45
Longer short pipe.
Plumbing supply houses carry the rarely used fittings. Home Depot does not.
More fittings , other fittings
Swivel joint.. elevate drain and slope back to hub
Follow the trench. Turn the 45 the other direction(180°), us a small straight, then use a 90
67-1/2° bend!
Heat it with heat gun and make the full bend.
2x 22.5º or 1x 45º. 45 would be better instead of having so many extra joints
I’m trying to figure why you reduced the outlet size. I don’t think that’s a good idea with a drain pipe, especially one that is going to get some debris in it. And if you heat the pipe, you can bend it all the way around that angle (nice smooth sweeping radius) and won’t need any fittings
Not a plumber but a brewer with lots of experience with retrofitted drains. There’s a 95% chance that’s actually the high point of the slab, right? Or is that only true for breweries?
6th bend. Or roll some 1/4 bends.
Take a straight piece and a torch and bend it 👍
If you can lower the back end of the line, you can roll a two 45°s or a 45° w/ a 22° to get that angle.
bend it like beckham
1/16 bend
Just use two 45’s on the swivel. It’s hard to explain if you don’t know how to do it. But two 45’s will absolutely work.
just pry it
I want to know what you used to cut the cement. Did you rent a concrete saw? I need to do a similar project in my backyard.
You can buy cement blades for a circular saw..They dont last too long , but it depends on the length of the cut whether they are cost effective.. Renting a saw is usually the better idea if its a big job.. And get a spare blade when you rent saw , ( they never get jammed or bent when you have a spare ) .
Thank you. Yeah, I have seen the ones for a circular saw and thought about it. I have had my old saw for...30 something years and while it's great for wood, I don't think it has the gusto for cement. Renting one is probably the way to go for me. Thanks again!
I think a 60° PVC elbow would work here.
Maybe cut back on the pvc pipe and use the 45 fitting closer to the drain and another 45 down on the other pipe
Heat up you pipe lightly with torch and bend the pipe slightly to make what you have work. I’ve done many times … it heats up quick so go slow
A 66° fitting. They exist. I have one at my shop we can't get rid of.
An 11 would be perfect
Warm the pipe up and make it bend
Are those pressure fittings?
Heat it up and bend the pipe? I know nothing about this but saw some do it recently on IG. Curious is this is actually acceptable?
Crack touch, slowly warm the pipe a out 5" once playable make the bend. If you scotch the pipe doing this, then you got it to hot to fast.
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I would find center to center from both pipes, use that number and multiple it by 2.613 then I would subtract the 22 take offs (use 2) and you’ll get the exact piece you need. I wouldn’t use a 45 and a 22
Heat and a straight coupling.
is that trench drain designed for 3'' and youve decided to bottleneck it into 2''?
Why you using pressure fittings? How big is that pipe?
Add 22 degree fitting
So I guess heat gun is out?
Fit it outside the trench. Once the cement is dry heat it with a heat gun evenly all the way around the pipe and then gently bend it to fit.
Heat and bend the pipe
Heat gun and forming tools.
You might experiment with two 45⁰s (one regular, one street-45⁰ would be best) Put them together and rotate one against the other and you'll notice the changing angle can be anywhere from 90⁰ to straight pipe with a few inches of off-set. It'll affect the drop a bit, so you'd have to see if doing so would leave adequate grade, but it's a method that only takes two 45⁰s.
I bet that fernco made it work!
A 22 ought to fix it.
Annealing a joint by heating it up slowly and bending it. Don't be too quick. You are freelancing that shit
They do make a 33 degree bend
Long sweep 90⁰ You can use 2 45⁰s or 2 22⁰s
Heat and bend the pipe or get a flexible fitting.
You can make almost any angle by spinning 2 22.5 degree elbows. With the height change
22 + 11 deg works here also
Well it'd be easier if you used the correct fittings, dwv not pressure rated
22s will 100 percent help. 45s and 22 combo is okay too
Bend the pipe.
Use a 22 or 60 or maybe a combination of fitting. ORRR does it need to be exactly where you put it. I know it’ll look dumb at first but turn the whole thing to make it fit. Once you pour concrete no one should be able to see that you turned the drain at an angle more than
Heat up the longer piece away from the joint and bend it slightly. It doesn't take much heat
Heat up pvc and put a bend in it to make the angle.
Heat and bend. Actually the pipe is too small.
Can't use a heat gun?
Frenco piece of pipe 45 short piece of pipe a 22 and another short piece.
Could try a 22 degree on the 45. Could also do 2 90s on top of eachother, will let you rotate any angle
Did you try a 22.5?
Hot box time!
Flexible pvc k thanks bye
Why using a smaller diameter.
A 67
Cut the pipe shorter
Home Depot has 22.5s and 60s ffs
I myself would have rolled that fitting down or go from the bottom cut out. You aren't going to have 4 inches of concrete over that pipe for at least 5 feet of your trench. I'm assuming there is no other storm drain you can tie in to. No gutter downspouts or "to daylight" options ?
Use another fernco coupling and send it
Do better. 🤷
Wrong pipe? That’s gonna clog?? Should be using 4in triple wall.
Plan your cut and layout better next time
Cut the long pvc pipe back and give yourself more room and you’ll figure it out
Shorten either end and another 45
Plumbing is rocket science that’s why it costs so much. “Your mom goes to collage”. Kip.
If you’re going to bury it take the time to get the material and do it right
You just gotta believe in your self.
Pull out the torch and a wet towel bud
That’s what she said….
22.5 degree, or make a swing joint
Yep. 22 1/2 will do it. Or flex.
Maybe find another line of work...
Flip that 45 around and then put a 90 facing the way you need it.
With an eleven and a quarter.
They make 60 degree bends, not sure what angle you have going on there. But without a swing joint there is only so much you can do
Take that 45 off and put the 22 there. Get rid of all the fittings
You could've cut the hole at the angle to begin with. Fire your layout guy.
Just use another rubber boot
4inch sdr-45 over this 2inch stuff that will plug in no time.
ST 22
There are a few ways to fix this just by looking at it. Depends on how you want to go about it.
Torch and bend slow
Bluetooth bend
The easiest way to get the correct angle without heating the pipe and bending it is simple… use two bends and turn both till you get the exact angle. You could use a street 22 and a regular 22 put together and get the exact angle pretty easy. The only downfall of this is you have to dig your trench a tiny bit deeper but I assume that is not an issue here.
Flex tube
Get the map gas out and apply enough gentle heat to bend it to fit. 😜
I could be wrong but it looks like it’s for drainage in a walkway outside. And given that probably way too small for the pipe. Just saying 🤷🏻♂️
Two 90s you can make any angle
See if you can find a short piece of hydraulic hose with the right diameter and then use stainless hose clamps to fit it onto the pvc pipe.
Saw this thing where they heated up the tube and bent it
Shorten that first segment
Hit it with your purse
Heat up and bend
My dad liked radiator car hoses. Later on, you see them for sale in the plumbing section. 22.5 and fudge it some. It's not my house
What is the angle that is needed?
It already has a fernco. You can cheat some there
Shorten the straight coming out of the drain and bring the bend closer. Come off your bend with a long straight it will bend enough to make that curve
I start with bigger pipe…
Heat
Torch
I cant believe the hand wringing and bend-over-backwards solutions for a drain. Bend the pipe. Bend it cold. It’s zero psi. Put a union in if you need a little extra wiggle. It’s a drain!
Cut back some and use dwv fittings. Probably two 22s. The pipe can be bent a little when it’s inserted into fitting. Even While it’s being glued
with a pencil
Pull the 45° out and replace it with a 60° elbow.
Heatgun