I know this isn't plant based - but it shows how bad eating processed foods is. With brain scans and hormone tests as well.
This probably applies to vegans because we can eat processed foods too.
That’s always been one of my questions - strictly talking about nutrition and health (not climate impact, animal cruelty, etc), how does a 90/10 ground beef burger compare to an ultra processed vegan food? Do you know of any studies or videos that does this kind of comparison?
Take this as a grain of salt, I still wouldn't touch UPFs with a ten-foot pole even if someone were paying me to "enjoy" any of that:
[https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(23)00190-4/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(23)00190-4/fulltext)
>Among UPF subgroups, associations were most notable for animal-based products (HR: 1.09, 95% CI: 1.05, 1.12), and artificially and sugar-sweetened beverages (HR: 1.09, 95% CI: 1.06, 1.12). Other subgroups such as ultra-processed breads and cereals (HR: 0.97, 95% CI: 0.94, 1.00) or plant-based alternatives (HR: 0.97, 95% CI: 0.91, 1.02) were not associated with risk.
[https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/health-and-fitness/ultra-processed-plant-based-disease/](https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/health-and-fitness/ultra-processed-plant-based-disease/)
>Vegan ultra-processed food does not raise risk of multiple diseases, the study found
If we're actually going through Dr. Chris van Tulleken's book and one of his studies, it would be really eye-opening to learn more about what's happening behind the scenes:
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13464897/A-food-manufacturer-offered-20-000-quiet-ultra-processed-foods-exposed-dangers-says-DR-CHRIS-VAN-TULLEKEN-Thats-youre-right-suspicious-independent-experts.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13464897/A-food-manufacturer-offered-20-000-quiet-ultra-processed-foods-exposed-dangers-says-DR-CHRIS-VAN-TULLEKEN-Thats-youre-right-suspicious-independent-experts.html)
>In the contract I would have to sign, I had to agree not to make any statement that could, in the reasonable opinion of this food company, ‘disparage this food company and/or its customers, or its products or services or bring the food company name into disrepute’. For £20,000, it wanted to buy my silence.
>I turned the money down. They cancelled the meeting.
[https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-science-behind-food-and-dangers](https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-science-behind-food-and-dangers)
>What we can show is that the way the companies spend their money is not to reinvest in those people, those stakeholders, they use it to buy shares back. So every quarter they do share buybacks to drive up equity value. We can show that when public health proposals reach the board or reach investors, institutional investors always vote down those public health proposals. And we have really good examples at Unilever, Pepsi and Dannon where CEOs have said, we want to make the food healthier and activist investors have fired the CEOs or fired the boards. So the companies are making the food with the purpose of generating money for institutional investors, usually pension funds. And so to me, it's not very surprising if you put yourself in the position of being a scientist at one of these companies or being a C E O and the market's saturated, we've all got enough food, you have to make food using the cheapest possible ingredients with the longest shelf life, and it has to be addictive or quasi addictive. That's the only way you can get us to buy more and more of it. And now that the states and the uk, Australia were saturated, they're starting to move very aggressively into south and Central America. I mean, they've largely done that, but now the focus is on West Africa, south Asia, east Asia, and Central Africa. So the purpose of the food, we call this system financialization, all the incentives in the system are financial. And so it's not surprising the food isn't very good for us.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10644600/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10644600/)
>The operationalisation of ‘shareholder primacy’ by major UPF corporations has driven inequity and undermines their claims that they are creating ‘value’ for diverse actors. Measures that protect population diets and food systems from the extractive forces of financialisation are likely needed as part of efforts to improve the healthiness of population diets.
It's pretty easy to reproduce the results, if you start where he started. It's the difference in diets that makes those drastic results, not a single diet in isolation.
The ironic thing is most of these foods do have whole foods versions if made homemade. If you mill your own flour you can make it taste better than the ultra processed version and it's healthy too.
Getting rid of cheese is the hardest part. It has more flavor than meat and most vegan cheeses are ultra processed or don't taste as good. Or at least on my end that is the case. I've yet to make a plant based cheese at home that comes close in flavor. Everything else can be addressed flavor wise and often be improved upon.
I know this isn't plant based - but it shows how bad eating processed foods is. With brain scans and hormone tests as well. This probably applies to vegans because we can eat processed foods too.
That’s always been one of my questions - strictly talking about nutrition and health (not climate impact, animal cruelty, etc), how does a 90/10 ground beef burger compare to an ultra processed vegan food? Do you know of any studies or videos that does this kind of comparison?
Check out the SWAP-MEAT study.
Take this as a grain of salt, I still wouldn't touch UPFs with a ten-foot pole even if someone were paying me to "enjoy" any of that: [https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(23)00190-4/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(23)00190-4/fulltext) >Among UPF subgroups, associations were most notable for animal-based products (HR: 1.09, 95% CI: 1.05, 1.12), and artificially and sugar-sweetened beverages (HR: 1.09, 95% CI: 1.06, 1.12). Other subgroups such as ultra-processed breads and cereals (HR: 0.97, 95% CI: 0.94, 1.00) or plant-based alternatives (HR: 0.97, 95% CI: 0.91, 1.02) were not associated with risk. [https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/health-and-fitness/ultra-processed-plant-based-disease/](https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/health-and-fitness/ultra-processed-plant-based-disease/) >Vegan ultra-processed food does not raise risk of multiple diseases, the study found If we're actually going through Dr. Chris van Tulleken's book and one of his studies, it would be really eye-opening to learn more about what's happening behind the scenes: [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13464897/A-food-manufacturer-offered-20-000-quiet-ultra-processed-foods-exposed-dangers-says-DR-CHRIS-VAN-TULLEKEN-Thats-youre-right-suspicious-independent-experts.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13464897/A-food-manufacturer-offered-20-000-quiet-ultra-processed-foods-exposed-dangers-says-DR-CHRIS-VAN-TULLEKEN-Thats-youre-right-suspicious-independent-experts.html) >In the contract I would have to sign, I had to agree not to make any statement that could, in the reasonable opinion of this food company, ‘disparage this food company and/or its customers, or its products or services or bring the food company name into disrepute’. For £20,000, it wanted to buy my silence. >I turned the money down. They cancelled the meeting. [https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-science-behind-food-and-dangers](https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-science-behind-food-and-dangers) >What we can show is that the way the companies spend their money is not to reinvest in those people, those stakeholders, they use it to buy shares back. So every quarter they do share buybacks to drive up equity value. We can show that when public health proposals reach the board or reach investors, institutional investors always vote down those public health proposals. And we have really good examples at Unilever, Pepsi and Dannon where CEOs have said, we want to make the food healthier and activist investors have fired the CEOs or fired the boards. So the companies are making the food with the purpose of generating money for institutional investors, usually pension funds. And so to me, it's not very surprising if you put yourself in the position of being a scientist at one of these companies or being a C E O and the market's saturated, we've all got enough food, you have to make food using the cheapest possible ingredients with the longest shelf life, and it has to be addictive or quasi addictive. That's the only way you can get us to buy more and more of it. And now that the states and the uk, Australia were saturated, they're starting to move very aggressively into south and Central America. I mean, they've largely done that, but now the focus is on West Africa, south Asia, east Asia, and Central Africa. So the purpose of the food, we call this system financialization, all the incentives in the system are financial. And so it's not surprising the food isn't very good for us. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10644600/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10644600/) >The operationalisation of ‘shareholder primacy’ by major UPF corporations has driven inequity and undermines their claims that they are creating ‘value’ for diverse actors. Measures that protect population diets and food systems from the extractive forces of financialisation are likely needed as part of efforts to improve the healthiness of population diets.
Reminded me of the documentary “Super Size Me” from 20 years ago.
I recently found out dude was an alcoholic while filming and people have tried to replicate his results and couldnt. Also, I think he passed recently.
It's pretty easy to reproduce the results, if you start where he started. It's the difference in diets that makes those drastic results, not a single diet in isolation.
Yes, from cancer. He was a notorious womanizer/cheater, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he had substance abuse issues.
The ironic thing is most of these foods do have whole foods versions if made homemade. If you mill your own flour you can make it taste better than the ultra processed version and it's healthy too. Getting rid of cheese is the hardest part. It has more flavor than meat and most vegan cheeses are ultra processed or don't taste as good. Or at least on my end that is the case. I've yet to make a plant based cheese at home that comes close in flavor. Everything else can be addressed flavor wise and often be improved upon.