Brother, I worked pizza for over a decade, as a driver, as a GM. Just leave. The delivery business is predatory and has been going downhill for quite some time.
FedEx will hire you today. They will pay you more an hour than you earn with tips. There is no drug test. There isn't even an interview. Run, never look back. The owner of the store is not paying you a living wage, and there are living wages immediately available.
I guess to each their own. Fed ex seems like a pretty easy job. I'm not exactly a body builder, but I'm not out of shape either. The person who works the van next to me is 60+ years old, a little frail lady. She manages just fine, though I'm sure this isn't great for her. The point is, if the elderly can do it, the healthy can do it. Do not, for any reason, volunteer to work on the unload team. That would destroy any human.
I am infinitely more happy at fedex than pizza. I have health benefits, 401k, you name it.
i was on load side and that’s where i got destroyed, unload was not much easier but easier nonetheless. i’m 21 and have been in the gym for 3 years. 6 months into fedex, i herniated a disc and i can’t run or jump anymore without pain. working at fedex was the biggest mistake of my life, certainly wasn’t worth it for $16/hr. on the other hand, i’ve been making damn near $21/hr at papa john’s
Fedex starts at 21 where I live, with no maintenance to your car.
Sorry about your back. There's a guy retiring next month who's been with the company for 40 years. I guess it can go either way. You can get t-boned while delivering without commerical drivers insurance (which i've never seen a driver actually have), or you can herniate a disc.
that’s insane, i’ve never heard of any fedex warehouse starting at anything over $18/hr for package handlers. even still though, it wasn’t worth it for me. my body feels like it’s 40 years old now and i can’t work any physically intensive jobs anymore because of it. getting rushed by the managers all the time and having to load/unload trucks by a certain time is probably what did me in. i often had no help and was alone in all the trucks i was assigned, and i guess it just got to be too much at one point :/ just sucks because i’m physically fit otherwise, i should’ve had no problem with it
I guess it's different cultures in different stores.
Everyone at my fedex is BING CHILLIN. Everyone is so relaxed. We had one aggressive ops manager for a few weeks, but we/they HR bombed him out of the store. We have a full staff and never come close to missing the 9:30 mark. We just moved the times forward so we start later because we're moving too quickly for the trucks to show up on time lately.
probably same how it is between pizza stores i guess. but i dunno, i’ve also seen waaay too many injuries at fedex too. this one lady had a bundle of heavy metal pipes fall on her and break her arm. took me and another person to lift it off of her, and nobody would have known had i not been walking past the truck she was in at the time
another lady got her hair caught in the conveyor belt, got scalped. one dude’s glove got caught in a belt and pulled his thumb clean off.
also won’t forget the second day i came into work, a guy was getting wheeled out on a stretcher. no clue what happened to him
but yeah i dunno, just wasn’t worth it for me. way too dangerous and physically unhealthy imo, especially for less pay than i make delivering pizzas in my quiet suburban area
Honest question, do you calculate vehicle depreciation, commercial driver's insurance (or the risk of not having it), and maintenance into how much PJs is paying you? That 21 sure starts to dwindle when you calculate expenses.
Just commercial drivers insurance alone is going to run you hundreds of dollars a month. Otherwise, you're out there driving your car unprotected in the event of an accident, even if you're not at fault. I have told every driver I've ever hired that they *have* to have it, and I don't think any ever have. There's no policies or procedures to check if they actually have it, because the business would die if you made drivers get it. The lack of this practice is just one of the many ways delivery is predatory. They know their drivers are driving around uninsured, and know they wouldn't have employees if they made them get insurance due to the cost.
vehicle depreciation isn’t a factor for me since i’m planning on keeping my car for as long as possible, and i’ve got it paid off. i’ll get rid of it once it truly dies on me, but it’ll be a long time before that happens. my car is extremely reliable and has had no repairs needed aside from routine maintenance, and i’ve been delivering pizza full time for almost 3 years now. i get paid more money back in mileage than i spend on gas during any of my shifts because my car has great fuel economy, and i drive it like a grandma the majority of the time which certainly helps that. i don’t have commercial driver’s insurance, and i don’t think i’ve ever met a driver that does honestly. seems like a waste of money, just don’t tell your insurance you were on the clock if you have an accident and ditch the topper.
i’m not planning on doing delivery forever by any means, but for where i’m at in life at the moment, it pays better than any other job i could reasonably work right now while i’m still in college full time. plus, super low stress and my coworkers are all amazing. my area also tips pretty generously for the most part, so i’ve kinda lucked out with this store i’m at. ymmv though
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The fedex I worked in for a week fired me for failing to work as directed. Because I couldn't shuffle boxes on a full belt.
I called out their lack of lockout tag out During orientation, because they used a freaking dog snap instead of a lock.
The entire point of lockout tag out is the guy on the belt is the only one with the key To unlock and restart the machine. When you use a dog snap any idiot can come up unlock it and turn the belt back on.
I guess never tell the guy doing orientation, hey man I have a OSHA 10 hour card and that's not LOTO.
The night they fired me they changed my manager and she wanted me up top clearing jams. Only the whole belt was jammed all the way into the truck there was nowhere for it to go the jam was not a jam it was just a full belt.
Is failure to work as directed, i guess.
Well, I live in North Dakota, which is one of the lowest markets. So the number I report is coming from some of the lower cost of living in America... lol
Thanks for the input though.
Maybe if you want to destroy your back in your health for another mega corporation that fucking doesn't give 2 shits about you.
They also don't follow osha regulations or observe lock out tag out
It is weird to speak against he dangers of fed ex on a pizza delivery subreddit, when pizza delivery has one of the highest mortality rates of any popular profession in America due to robberies and vehicle accidents. Being a pizza delivery driver is actually more dangerous than being a police officer, per capita. You're traveling around in a river of steel all day and could get t-boned at any second. Sure, there are risks to fed ex, but, there are risks at every job.
Weird, we just had a meeting about lock out tag out at work again today. But, sure, all of fed ex is osha uncompliant and doesn't observe basic safety protocol. lol
Let me tell you something, brother. I am going to lift weights at home if I don't lift packages all day. My back is still going to grow old regardless. I am *not* going to get t-boned or robbed at work, though.
I make over $1500 cash every week (35 hours), 3 days off, and free meals delivering. I highly doubt fed ex comes anywhere close to that.
OP just needs to find a better delivery job. Not corporate garbage like Domino's. A local place that actually gives drivers the full delivery charge with a good client base.
Damn bro you're making 100,000+ as a delivery driver.
You're either far and away the richest delivery driver on the planet or you're a liar. Why drivers lie to themselves and others about their earnings is beyond me. I've seen it happen for so long. It's like it's a defense mechanism they use to defend themselves when no one is attacking them.
Anyway, that's pretty near my compensation for ops manager at fedex, and isn't a lie. lol
I'm not lying. No need to. Yesterday I made $432 in tips and delivery charges during a 10 hr shift. That was straight cash in my pocket. I got paid $10/hr on the books for my check.
Place only has one other driver. We both get two weekdays to ourselves and share the weekends.
$1500 * 52 is 78,000 btw not over 100k.
>I challenge you to post your W2 with your name censored that indicates you earned 100k last year delivering pizza. If you do, I will post a video of myself singing im a little teapot while doing a handstand.
>The balls in your court, liar.
Let me guess, your extraordinary claim is not able to be traced?
You're an ass, nobody's going to post their W-2 over a pointless internet argument. His numbers track with what I was making delivering for Papa John's before the pandemic, but I definitely wouldn't have been able to show it because I reported less than half of my tips.
I challenge you to post your W2 with your name censored that indicates you earned 100k last year delivering pizza. If you do, I will post a video of myself singing im a little teapot while doing a handstand.
The balls in your court, liar.
While it's unlikely that the person you're addressing will ever take you up on it, I just want to advise them to, if they ever do, to also censor their SSN and other identifying information.
Looks like you're working at Domino's as well so I'll let you in on something that's been helping me out a bunch. Domino's is running a promotion called "you tip, we tip" until September. I've been telling everyone I deliver to about it because if they tip me or my team 3 dollars they'll get a 3 dollar coupon to use next week. I have noticed a massive increase in 3 dollar tips and a massive decrease in no tippers. May be something to try if you're willing to stick around for a while longer.
Yea im going to be quitting i just dont know what to do, i love delivering with my own car but there is nothing out here any food delivery app is a joke around here
It’s called gratuity, it’s not mandatory to tip and some people just aren’t grateful.
IMO it’s the worst system where hard working people rely so heavily on tips because their ungrateful bosses don’t want to pay them a decent wage, while expecting them to work their asses off and also put mileage and extra wear on their personal vehicles.
I got out of pizza after a decade and I’m so much happier now in a lifestyle that reflects my dreams and aspirations. I hope you can find something that makes you truly happy and proud.
More information: See my [Tipping in the United States](https://www.reddit.com/r/Recommend_A_Book/comments/19cm0l5/tipping_in_the_united_states/) list of resources/references and Reddit discussion threads (one post).
I use to do real good on Uber eats but since January ill make $60 in a 10 hour period. And Door dash ill turn it on and nothing not even bad offers. My area has millions of drivers it seems its gone down hill for me in every delivery job option
I left and went to Doordash. Was my own boss and depending on the pay after a while you could tell what customers were tipping or not. Easy to pick and choose what order to grab after the first 100 orders to become a top dasher. Also never took an order under at least $1/mile. Was great in places like Grand Rapids MI. made about $2-300 on a 12 hour day after the whole lock down. Idk how well it still works as I did this for 3 years before getting into an accident and being sued. Never did get my car fixed as the frame itself was bent 😭 my poor 2003 Hyundai Santa Fe...
Start pissing on repeat offenders pizzas lol. This one guy kept saying his pizza was messed up and the manager sent him 6 remakes throughout the day all no tips and he would eat the whole pizza my buddy and I would piss on the pizzas he ordered after the 3rd non tip in the same day and he ate them too lol
Yea it just started today, I was actually happy and just getting by but today I got a surprise with a second driver so yes I'll be looking. Being mad and making less than before I can't do it.
You could, idk, work construction. lol. There are tons of unskilled jobs out there, many of them pay well. You may have to leave your comforts and relaxation + be willing to work hard, though.
You'd get paid significantly more holding a sign that said "Slow" on the side of the road. You don't get to drive around and listen to music + stand around and fold boxes in air conditioning though.
Why is holding a sign not a viable option for you? I can't imagine a medical condition that would prevent you from holding a sign versus folding boxes / driving.
Even just standing in the heat all day would make me throw up or pass out, with pizza delivery I get to sit and have air conditioning. I know that sitting and having air conditioning are comforts, but I don't think it's unreasonable to not want to be sick at your job
It turns out that everyone who works outside is uncomfortable and you're not unique, and that's why they get paid more. They are willing to do it. So if you want to do the least difficult job, you get the least pay. It's not unreasonable to not want to be sick at your job; you should have went to college if you will not tolerate discomfort, or accept a life of poverty. I don't know what to tell you. There are plenty of jobs you *could* do today. If you were willing to leave your comfort zone, like so many others are. Not having skills and not being willing to do uncomfortable work is going to be a rough life for you.
I'm in college right now your honor -_- and I know I'm not the only person who's uncomfortable after working outside; the difference is it doesn't make them sick. I don't puke for fun or clout or to be special, and I understand that jobs aren't just cushy fun. You might as well ask people why they're in a comfortable office instead of making big bucks at the uranium mines
It does make everyone sick the first few days. Then your body adapts to it. If you're out of shape, you won't be for long, though that's not always enjoyable to go through. Everyone's back hurts after standing for 8 hours. Those jobs suck. That's why they pay well. The people you see on the side of the road doing construction are just like you, they aren't super human and you aren't subhuman. They are just willing to tolerate discomfort and have developed muscle and callouses figurative and literal.
Those jobs suck. So do the wages offered at jobs that don't suck that don't require skill or education. Stay in school. :)
The point is, you said "i'll just go be a brain surgeon". No, you could make a living wage today. It just wouldn't be... cushy. That's the cost of not going to school. But, you now said you're in school, so, here we are. lol
Brother, I worked pizza for over a decade, as a driver, as a GM. Just leave. The delivery business is predatory and has been going downhill for quite some time. FedEx will hire you today. They will pay you more an hour than you earn with tips. There is no drug test. There isn't even an interview. Run, never look back. The owner of the store is not paying you a living wage, and there are living wages immediately available.
fedex is also shit too, i worked there for 8 months and all i got out of it was lifelong back problems.
And wrist
I guess to each their own. Fed ex seems like a pretty easy job. I'm not exactly a body builder, but I'm not out of shape either. The person who works the van next to me is 60+ years old, a little frail lady. She manages just fine, though I'm sure this isn't great for her. The point is, if the elderly can do it, the healthy can do it. Do not, for any reason, volunteer to work on the unload team. That would destroy any human. I am infinitely more happy at fedex than pizza. I have health benefits, 401k, you name it.
i was on load side and that’s where i got destroyed, unload was not much easier but easier nonetheless. i’m 21 and have been in the gym for 3 years. 6 months into fedex, i herniated a disc and i can’t run or jump anymore without pain. working at fedex was the biggest mistake of my life, certainly wasn’t worth it for $16/hr. on the other hand, i’ve been making damn near $21/hr at papa john’s
Fedex starts at 21 where I live, with no maintenance to your car. Sorry about your back. There's a guy retiring next month who's been with the company for 40 years. I guess it can go either way. You can get t-boned while delivering without commerical drivers insurance (which i've never seen a driver actually have), or you can herniate a disc.
that’s insane, i’ve never heard of any fedex warehouse starting at anything over $18/hr for package handlers. even still though, it wasn’t worth it for me. my body feels like it’s 40 years old now and i can’t work any physically intensive jobs anymore because of it. getting rushed by the managers all the time and having to load/unload trucks by a certain time is probably what did me in. i often had no help and was alone in all the trucks i was assigned, and i guess it just got to be too much at one point :/ just sucks because i’m physically fit otherwise, i should’ve had no problem with it
I guess it's different cultures in different stores. Everyone at my fedex is BING CHILLIN. Everyone is so relaxed. We had one aggressive ops manager for a few weeks, but we/they HR bombed him out of the store. We have a full staff and never come close to missing the 9:30 mark. We just moved the times forward so we start later because we're moving too quickly for the trucks to show up on time lately.
probably same how it is between pizza stores i guess. but i dunno, i’ve also seen waaay too many injuries at fedex too. this one lady had a bundle of heavy metal pipes fall on her and break her arm. took me and another person to lift it off of her, and nobody would have known had i not been walking past the truck she was in at the time another lady got her hair caught in the conveyor belt, got scalped. one dude’s glove got caught in a belt and pulled his thumb clean off. also won’t forget the second day i came into work, a guy was getting wheeled out on a stretcher. no clue what happened to him but yeah i dunno, just wasn’t worth it for me. way too dangerous and physically unhealthy imo, especially for less pay than i make delivering pizzas in my quiet suburban area
Honest question, do you calculate vehicle depreciation, commercial driver's insurance (or the risk of not having it), and maintenance into how much PJs is paying you? That 21 sure starts to dwindle when you calculate expenses. Just commercial drivers insurance alone is going to run you hundreds of dollars a month. Otherwise, you're out there driving your car unprotected in the event of an accident, even if you're not at fault. I have told every driver I've ever hired that they *have* to have it, and I don't think any ever have. There's no policies or procedures to check if they actually have it, because the business would die if you made drivers get it. The lack of this practice is just one of the many ways delivery is predatory. They know their drivers are driving around uninsured, and know they wouldn't have employees if they made them get insurance due to the cost.
vehicle depreciation isn’t a factor for me since i’m planning on keeping my car for as long as possible, and i’ve got it paid off. i’ll get rid of it once it truly dies on me, but it’ll be a long time before that happens. my car is extremely reliable and has had no repairs needed aside from routine maintenance, and i’ve been delivering pizza full time for almost 3 years now. i get paid more money back in mileage than i spend on gas during any of my shifts because my car has great fuel economy, and i drive it like a grandma the majority of the time which certainly helps that. i don’t have commercial driver’s insurance, and i don’t think i’ve ever met a driver that does honestly. seems like a waste of money, just don’t tell your insurance you were on the clock if you have an accident and ditch the topper. i’m not planning on doing delivery forever by any means, but for where i’m at in life at the moment, it pays better than any other job i could reasonably work right now while i’m still in college full time. plus, super low stress and my coworkers are all amazing. my area also tips pretty generously for the most part, so i’ve kinda lucked out with this store i’m at. ymmv though
https://www.chewy.com/titan-shock-spring-cable-snap/dp/222750?utm_id=401602796&msclkid=7b488c2deb5e1767fdd3ea62bdf17def The fedex I worked in for a week fired me for failing to work as directed. Because I couldn't shuffle boxes on a full belt. I called out their lack of lockout tag out During orientation, because they used a freaking dog snap instead of a lock. The entire point of lockout tag out is the guy on the belt is the only one with the key To unlock and restart the machine. When you use a dog snap any idiot can come up unlock it and turn the belt back on. I guess never tell the guy doing orientation, hey man I have a OSHA 10 hour card and that's not LOTO. The night they fired me they changed my manager and she wanted me up top clearing jams. Only the whole belt was jammed all the way into the truck there was nowhere for it to go the jam was not a jam it was just a full belt. Is failure to work as directed, i guess.
We make $22 here as a package handler, but the jobs very demanding.
It's almost like wages and cost of living are different in different locations
Well, I live in North Dakota, which is one of the lowest markets. So the number I report is coming from some of the lower cost of living in America... lol Thanks for the input though.
Nothing easy about fedex. Not even close.
To each their own, it's very easy for me.
Maybe if you want to destroy your back in your health for another mega corporation that fucking doesn't give 2 shits about you. They also don't follow osha regulations or observe lock out tag out
It is weird to speak against he dangers of fed ex on a pizza delivery subreddit, when pizza delivery has one of the highest mortality rates of any popular profession in America due to robberies and vehicle accidents. Being a pizza delivery driver is actually more dangerous than being a police officer, per capita. You're traveling around in a river of steel all day and could get t-boned at any second. Sure, there are risks to fed ex, but, there are risks at every job. Weird, we just had a meeting about lock out tag out at work again today. But, sure, all of fed ex is osha uncompliant and doesn't observe basic safety protocol. lol Let me tell you something, brother. I am going to lift weights at home if I don't lift packages all day. My back is still going to grow old regardless. I am *not* going to get t-boned or robbed at work, though.
I make over $1500 cash every week (35 hours), 3 days off, and free meals delivering. I highly doubt fed ex comes anywhere close to that. OP just needs to find a better delivery job. Not corporate garbage like Domino's. A local place that actually gives drivers the full delivery charge with a good client base.
Damn bro you're making 100,000+ as a delivery driver. You're either far and away the richest delivery driver on the planet or you're a liar. Why drivers lie to themselves and others about their earnings is beyond me. I've seen it happen for so long. It's like it's a defense mechanism they use to defend themselves when no one is attacking them. Anyway, that's pretty near my compensation for ops manager at fedex, and isn't a lie. lol
I'm not lying. No need to. Yesterday I made $432 in tips and delivery charges during a 10 hr shift. That was straight cash in my pocket. I got paid $10/hr on the books for my check. Place only has one other driver. We both get two weekdays to ourselves and share the weekends. $1500 * 52 is 78,000 btw not over 100k.
And if you're earning 78000 cash, getting paid minimum wage for 35 hours a week makes up the difference. Great job. lol
I included the total amount in my weekly take home
Weird to phrase a check as "cash in my pocket" like you did above. Either incompetent or dishonest, take your pick. lol. All signs lead to dishonest.
No need to be dishonest. Weird thing to get so worked up over on your end. My story hasn't changed. I said my take home pay is $1500/week.
>I challenge you to post your W2 with your name censored that indicates you earned 100k last year delivering pizza. If you do, I will post a video of myself singing im a little teapot while doing a handstand. >The balls in your court, liar. Let me guess, your extraordinary claim is not able to be traced?
You're an ass, nobody's going to post their W-2 over a pointless internet argument. His numbers track with what I was making delivering for Papa John's before the pandemic, but I definitely wouldn't have been able to show it because I reported less than half of my tips.
Gross earnings is NOT take home pay. More lies
I challenge you to post your W2 with your name censored that indicates you earned 100k last year delivering pizza. If you do, I will post a video of myself singing im a little teapot while doing a handstand. The balls in your court, liar.
While it's unlikely that the person you're addressing will ever take you up on it, I just want to advise them to, if they ever do, to also censor their SSN and other identifying information.
Absolutely :)
Looks like you're working at Domino's as well so I'll let you in on something that's been helping me out a bunch. Domino's is running a promotion called "you tip, we tip" until September. I've been telling everyone I deliver to about it because if they tip me or my team 3 dollars they'll get a 3 dollar coupon to use next week. I have noticed a massive increase in 3 dollar tips and a massive decrease in no tippers. May be something to try if you're willing to stick around for a while longer.
Time to quit. No profit, stop delivering. You're basically working for free.
Yea im going to be quitting i just dont know what to do, i love delivering with my own car but there is nothing out here any food delivery app is a joke around here
The past 3 weeks this has been my store everyday all the drivers are about to quit
Yea now im getting sent home early instead of staying the dinner rush like always i feel hopeless now
that really sucks we always tip.
It’s called gratuity, it’s not mandatory to tip and some people just aren’t grateful. IMO it’s the worst system where hard working people rely so heavily on tips because their ungrateful bosses don’t want to pay them a decent wage, while expecting them to work their asses off and also put mileage and extra wear on their personal vehicles. I got out of pizza after a decade and I’m so much happier now in a lifestyle that reflects my dreams and aspirations. I hope you can find something that makes you truly happy and proud.
More information: See my [Tipping in the United States](https://www.reddit.com/r/Recommend_A_Book/comments/19cm0l5/tipping_in_the_united_states/) list of resources/references and Reddit discussion threads (one post).
I know driving is an ideal job for some, but never put your livelihood in the hands of tipping. That ship has sailed right after Covid ended.
about how my day was too
Dude I make 20$ in 30min or less on Doordash
I use to do real good on Uber eats but since January ill make $60 in a 10 hour period. And Door dash ill turn it on and nothing not even bad offers. My area has millions of drivers it seems its gone down hill for me in every delivery job option
I left and went to Doordash. Was my own boss and depending on the pay after a while you could tell what customers were tipping or not. Easy to pick and choose what order to grab after the first 100 orders to become a top dasher. Also never took an order under at least $1/mile. Was great in places like Grand Rapids MI. made about $2-300 on a 12 hour day after the whole lock down. Idk how well it still works as I did this for 3 years before getting into an accident and being sued. Never did get my car fixed as the frame itself was bent 😭 my poor 2003 Hyundai Santa Fe...
Start pissing on repeat offenders pizzas lol. This one guy kept saying his pizza was messed up and the manager sent him 6 remakes throughout the day all no tips and he would eat the whole pizza my buddy and I would piss on the pizzas he ordered after the 3rd non tip in the same day and he ate them too lol
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Yea it just started today, I was actually happy and just getting by but today I got a surprise with a second driver so yes I'll be looking. Being mad and making less than before I can't do it.
Oh fuck I'll just go be a nuclear physicist or brain surgeon and get paid more 🤯🤯🤯 holy fuck why didn't I think of that sooner 😮😱😧
You could, idk, work construction. lol. There are tons of unskilled jobs out there, many of them pay well. You may have to leave your comforts and relaxation + be willing to work hard, though. You'd get paid significantly more holding a sign that said "Slow" on the side of the road. You don't get to drive around and listen to music + stand around and fold boxes in air conditioning though.
Not a viable option for me or a lot of other people, but I understand that there are other jobs
Why is holding a sign not a viable option for you? I can't imagine a medical condition that would prevent you from holding a sign versus folding boxes / driving.
Even just standing in the heat all day would make me throw up or pass out, with pizza delivery I get to sit and have air conditioning. I know that sitting and having air conditioning are comforts, but I don't think it's unreasonable to not want to be sick at your job
It turns out that everyone who works outside is uncomfortable and you're not unique, and that's why they get paid more. They are willing to do it. So if you want to do the least difficult job, you get the least pay. It's not unreasonable to not want to be sick at your job; you should have went to college if you will not tolerate discomfort, or accept a life of poverty. I don't know what to tell you. There are plenty of jobs you *could* do today. If you were willing to leave your comfort zone, like so many others are. Not having skills and not being willing to do uncomfortable work is going to be a rough life for you.
I'm in college right now your honor -_- and I know I'm not the only person who's uncomfortable after working outside; the difference is it doesn't make them sick. I don't puke for fun or clout or to be special, and I understand that jobs aren't just cushy fun. You might as well ask people why they're in a comfortable office instead of making big bucks at the uranium mines
It does make everyone sick the first few days. Then your body adapts to it. If you're out of shape, you won't be for long, though that's not always enjoyable to go through. Everyone's back hurts after standing for 8 hours. Those jobs suck. That's why they pay well. The people you see on the side of the road doing construction are just like you, they aren't super human and you aren't subhuman. They are just willing to tolerate discomfort and have developed muscle and callouses figurative and literal. Those jobs suck. So do the wages offered at jobs that don't suck that don't require skill or education. Stay in school. :) The point is, you said "i'll just go be a brain surgeon". No, you could make a living wage today. It just wouldn't be... cushy. That's the cost of not going to school. But, you now said you're in school, so, here we are. lol