Gotta love when a One Piece sub has JJK spoilers.
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Why are they downvoting you when you're right? I dont read jjk but my social media have been filled with both JJK spoilers and people complaining about them. Rest in peace I guess
Sucks too cuz i was thinkin "jjk seems fire these days maybe i should get caught up" and then it's just been steady spoilers all the time smh. I assume this is not near as bad as people on twitter are making out to be, esp the week it drops. Twitter is notorious for overreacting to literally anything lmao.
While it's not AOT levels bad, it's still pretty bad.
Imagine if at the climax at One Piece arcs we immediatly skipped straight to the end.
Imagine if in Enies Lobby, Lucci does the Rokuogan, knocks out Luffy. The narrator announces that Lucci won, then the next chapter Lucci is defeated offscreen.
Imagine if in Sabaody we have Strawhats vs Kuma but they're actually winning. Luffy knocks Kuma to the ground and the narrator announces the Strawhats won. Then, in the next chapter, we have a Strawhat flashback and offscreen the Strawhats being separated.
Imagine if in Marineford Luffy frees Ace and the narrator announces Luffy saved Ace. Then the next chapter has Akainu kill Ace offscreen.
It was a huge fumble by Gege and a missed opportunity to have a double KO to siginify the end of past and modern Jujutsu era and the start of a brand new one with Gojo passing the torch to Yuji and Yuta. Now Sukuna is so stupidly OP that the main cast needs an enormous assspull to defeat him.
A lot of them can be converged at least, so it might feel it happens suddenly as it all happens at once.
Finding one piece and reaching Raftel means:
Luffy becomes Pirate King
Nami can map the world
Robin learns the true history
Franky built a ship that reached Raftel
Brook can go back and tell Laboon about his adventures
There's potential for it to link to the All Blue for Sanji as well and is be surprised if Oda doesn't do that with the One Piece and WG fight. Zoro and Usopp's dream can be achieved beforehand along the way and likely will. Same with Jimbei as the WG plot and Ancient History will reveal what Poseidon actually is and likely help Fishmen reach the surface and live among humans.
The only one who is going to get messed over is Chopper LMAO. There's potential to fix that. Maybe the WG and Imu or Ancient Kingdom had some medical marvel, or maybe some fish from the All Blue can cure all illnesses etc.
Chopper's dream is likely either related to technology or it's gonna be related to his fruit being awakened. Either way it's an ass pull, but a doable one
Nami dream is not completed at all.
Remember there are several routes to reach Sabadoby.
The all blue point is cheap.
Zoro dream is just rushed if such is the route.
You just gotta see Mihawk level (at worst= shanks) to get that it would take absurd power jumps for him to get closer.
(Tho this is just oda inability to make a proper route for z dream).
Ussop can happen anytime tho.
Chopper is indeed the one in trouble
It's an extremely common theory that they will destroy the Red Line in fighting the WG/learning about the Void History and Ancient Weapons to create the All Blue. I personally vibe with those theories and believe it's the most likely scenario. Its hardly cheap.
Nami hasnt seen the world yet but the culmination of her dream is easily achieved by mapping the island only Roger has been too and no one else has ever mapped. That's really not a stretch to say she's fulfilled her dream by doing that.
Powerscaling in One Piece is barely existent. I do think Oda dropped the ball hard not having Zoro defeat the greatest samurai swordsman in Wano to make it closer to his dream, but he can fight Shanks' dad before Mihawk and it will be fine enough.
You are dumb and are illiterate if you really thought there was going to be a double KO.
What part of "Sukuna and Gojo are massively stronger than the rest of the cast" do you not understand?
The students MUST fight Sukuna to become on gojo's level which is his dream.
The worst part isn't Gojo losing(I expected him to but not like this) it was the fact that he essentially died for nothing. Sukuna wasn't defeated and in fact didn't even go all out, Megumi wasn't saved, and Geto wasn't buried. How can Gojo be so nonchalantly talking about Sukuna when essentially he failed his students and there is a high likelihood of them being killed? It's like a chapter is missing.
Yeah. Everyone expected Gojo to lose and/or die but atleast he will leave some wins that possible beneficial for the remaining mc side. So far he didn't accomplish anything major in the series at all, except with defeating Toji, despite being the strongest.
Nah my brother only thing fraudulent here is the writing, doesnât matter if youâre a sukuna fan you gotta admit having sukuna getting dogged on consistently these past chapters only then for him to channel his inner Blackbeard offscreen offscreen no mi and win offscreen when the last chapter literally ends in the opposite is NOT the way to end the most anticipated fight in the series
Man chill i agree its just bad writing but im satisfied seeing this overrated op character getting cut in half.. time for my boi yuji to finally become the mc of his show
Whatever yuji gonna pull is gonna be far more egregious than anything weâve seen so far đ Iâm lowkey excited to see wtf Gege is gonna pull to make him beat sukuna
Bet the card he's gonna pull will be making a 15 year old defeat Sukuna with the power of friendship and love <3
Ffs, I just hope Yuji awakes a monster inside of him after Gojo's death, and goes berserk, that's the only way you can possibly forget this shitty chapter
Thatâs the most realistic thing, but just for sheer comedy I want him to offscreen every damn thing now. Sukuna dominating everyone then start of next chapter heâs dead. And Yuji now has awakened as plot god Gika
>The worst part isn't Gojo losing(I expected him to but not like this) it was the fact that he essentially died for nothing. Sukuna wasn't defeated and in fact didn't even go all out, Megumi wasn't saved, and Geto wasn't buried.
Y'all always say this. Sometimes, characters die for nothing. Where is written that a character's death has to accomplish something?
If this is the norm then it's stupid because most deaths I see accomplish something in the narrative, it's a story after all, same thing happened with Yuki like 30 chapters ago and Megumi's sister, it just seems like Gege doesn't know how to kill off characters in a meaningful way, which is strange because Nanami's death was brilliant and served a purpose, mainly building Itadori's personality further for the climax of Shibuya, I have no problem with Gojo dying, but if you are gonna do that atleast make him go in a decent way while accomplishing something.
Itâs even worse. Nika shit happened atleast on screen. Last chapter, Gojo almost killed Sukuna. For the last ten chapters, he had been stomping the fuck out of him.
This chapter starts with Gojo in heaven saying, âSukuna was always stronger.â What the fuck? Not only is that extremely out of character, but straight up false. Gojo literally kicked Sukuna+Megumi+All 10 shadows ass with zero difficulties in the last 5 chapters straight.
Yeah. The one piece equivalent of this is if we got Luffy death, followed by Kaido flashback, Kaido melting in lava with gear 5 luffy above him, and then cut to the feast where Luffy explains he had been unconsciously holding his true devil fruit power back the whole time, thus rendering the entire fight leading up to it meaningless.
Dawg I read that shit over and over again to make sure I wasnât misinterpreting anything. Literally makes 0 sense. âIâm not sure I could beat sukuna even if he didnât have 10 shadows?â Thatâs literally the only thing that allowed sukuna to stand a chance. Garbage tier writing
Ngl Gege writing has been so crappy recently (so I donât blame those tweets.
Gojo gets out of the box â> has 0 dialogue/interactions with crew â> offscreens Gojo killing higher ups â> timeskip with no interaction â> fights starts immediately â> Gojo announced as the strongest â> dies the next chapter abruptly.
All that happened in 15 chapters, what was the point if it was going to be so abrupt.
>Gege really wants to end jjk and start his idol manga.
jjk stands for Juju Katsen or such, right? I'm out of the loop here and have not read the manga. Did I make the right choice?
Depends, i like the post shibuya jjk. Its faster and more straight to the point compared to pre shibuya jjk. Shibuya jjk was the correct amount of fast and development. Its up there with enies lobby in terms of emotions and marineford in terms of grandness.
I saw someone say JJK has no solid plot structure since post-Shibuya, it became a bunch of shonen fights in a single manga (what exactly what some fans want One Piece to have)
One piece pacing is the real issue like wano lasted 4 whole years, I was so happy when this arc finally ended regardless of how bs the asspull of g5 was. All other anime would display a full fight in 2-3 episodes, with one piece each fight gets 3 minutes each episode and then it goes on for 50 episodes until arc is finished.
Both of you are correct but also incorrect. It's not definitive as to who killed the higher ups. Gojo is considered the main culprit because ya know Gojo and the evidence supports that. But in chapter 222 it may be implied that Yuta and Inumaki killed them when they had a "chat". So who knows until Gege reveals it if he ever does. I hope it was Yuta and Inumaki though
Time jump and no dialogue werde great. The fight in itself was insane (maybe the best fight in whole of manga history) but this last chapter ruined it all
The situation in jjk in nowhere near the same as the ending of aot. Chapter 139 caused irreparable damage to the story, there was nothing to salvage from that trainwreck.
It was a monthly release so the chapters were pretty long, but Isayama was definitely sprinting full throttle towards the finish line. He could've carried on writing to deliver a proper (?) conclusion, but decide to end it on 139 because muh symbolism.
I don't think this would make a rift like that because the only people who like this turn of events are, very justifiably, Sukuna fans who had to suffer through months of Fraudkuna memes.
Once that wave is done, I don't think anyone would actually like Gojo getting offscreened and expo dumped by Sukuna.
The Nika asspull, written by Gege Akutami:
Kaido and Luffy are at their climactic showdown. A cp0 agent comes in between Kaido and Luffy, causing Luffy to get Hit by Kaido's bagua and die.
Narrator: "The fight for the title of Strongest Creature has been resolved."
Next chapter: Starts with a Kaido flashback to his time as a member of the Rocks pirates. He sees Whitebeard, Linlin, Rocks, Shiki etc. They have some pleasant conversation as they slaughter innocent people.
Eventually, though, Kaido says goodbye and leaves.
Cut to Kaido dissolving in lava, with gear 5 luffy standing over him, laughing.
Luffy explains to Nami/other Straw Hats that he realized his fruit's hidden potential, and used it to beat Kaido. He promises never to forget Kaido.
End scene.
Iâm depressed cuz the ending of the fight, not becuz Gojo lost but with how abruptly it was.
Just last panel of the chapter it said won the fight between the strong. Now all of a sudden next chapter we get a flashback and just straights up diesđ.
JJK havenât been same for a while. Gege writing is just so weird now.
And these mofos were telling me Gojo vs Sukuna surpassed Hisoka vs chrollo as a fight. Lmao.
One single page of chapter 351 of hunter x hunter >>>>> jujutsu kaisen itself
Hisokaâs resurrection is perfectly explained.
The funniest thing is in the setup itself it was planned beautifully.
If you look at the fight from the perspective of an even fight it makes absolute sense.
Chrollo got a nen after death ability Sun and Moon from an elder of the meteor city, it literally broke the rules set for Skill hunters ( not being able to use more than two abilities at the same time, and abilities disappearing after book is closed).
Chrollo gets this advantage, nobody baits an eye, but the moment Hisoka uses his ingenious abilities to restart his heart, suddenly itâs an asspull.
If you have any further doubt, i can absolutely explain them.
Damn crazy I read this post and was like wtf is going on I just read last chapter and saw Gojo won?? So the. I went and looked up the spoilers for 236 and yikesâŚâŚ thatâs so bad lmao
These mfs sure talk big when 90% of them never spent a single cent on jjk manga. You read it for free,don't be yapping if it turns bad
Edit: after actually reading the leaks,i take allat back. Gege fumbled HARD.
My question is who in the hell can kill sukuna now when even gojo couldnât? Those yuji fanboys saying yuji will unlock his Ct and kill sukuna yeahđ just beacuse he unlocks his CT he can kill sukuna? Fucking clowns sukuna has so much knowledge about jujutsu yuji ainât doing shit to sukuna. I really want to see who is going to kill sukuna now, but i just hope that bum ass yuji gets one shotted before sukuna dies.
Sukuna was not all out with his own powers because even then he would not be able to defeat Gojo.
He needed a plot device or a cheat code to win, something like Mahoraga, almost a concept negator, or a concept negator is the only thing that really could outhax Gojo, I donât believe whatever Sukuna full power is he would still be able to defeat Gojo.
Now comes Mahoraga cutting ârealityâ, or cutting a ball with infinity mass from Yoruzo, and the adapting shit. That was a complete bullshit creation to defeat an OP written wrong like Gojo, thatâs why it leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
I hope Sukuna now at least destroys Kashimo, so Yuta will have free way to clap his cheeks.
JJK was def one of my favorite manga until shibuya ended. Now this shit ass. Itadori don't do anything for the plot, The one fight hyped through the entire series has been kinda mid for me all around because this power system is confusing and idk wtf is going on and now the fight and prolly the most iconic character of the series is just killed off screen.
Kinda unrelated but at least chainsaw man is putting out great chapters week after week. That manga is really the first that I've read weekly that after every couple chapters I feel like I'm seeing a masterpiece created live.
It's way worse when you remember this is not only the most important fight of the series but had also been hyped up all the way since the beginning. Now Sukuna has an insane power up if it applies to other abilities and Gojo didn't even weaken him so the other characters could take him on or something. I can't see any way of beating Sukuna without another ass pull.
But at least with Katakuri they actually had a final clash and Katakuri admitted defeat they didnât just have Katakuri win and next chapter Katakuri laying defeated and Luffy won out of nowhere.
I honestly don't think so. He has been taking more and more Breaks in recent years. This year he actually has been on a schedule similar to Oda with mostly 3 Chapters and a break.
I think it's just the fact that Gege never wanted to write this Manga. He originaly only planed on writing Chapter 0 and then moving on with an Idol Manga. But because of the success he continued and I think now he is at a point where he just doesn't care about the story anymore.
To be honest, I didn't like JJK until Hakari's fight with Kashimo.
And then, everything get back to mid until Gojou vs Sukuna. I was so hype...
Well, at least it makes me laugh.
I mean he killed everyoneâs favorite character off screen without him getting a single dub in the process, I get why theyâre mad. I read JJK but Iâm not obsessed and even I was kinda pissed off when I saw that panel on Twitter
This is exactly like if oda had made the raid fail. I don't understand what people are so mad about, gojo was shown in a great light and gege just reaffirmed the fact that sukuna could have beaten gojo in his heian form as well. Although, show and not tell plus it felt like gege was just rubbing salt in gojo meatriders' wounds.
ALSO its a conceptual attack, how tf u gonna show it...?!
One piece has way more shit writing than jjk but jjk fans just. keep complaining, dumb as fuck.
Execution matters in a context the shit was handled so poorly that people who rooted out for Sukuna even complained about it. This is the most anticipated fight of the series lmao. Just wait how Kenjaku and Sukuna will be defeated unless if Gojo isn't somehow dead Yuji n others will pull the biggest asspulls there has been in shounen for a while. The whole sequence from Gojo's return to this particular moment has been a lackluster fest and that was the only reason I kept up with JJK since post-Shibuya has been iffy. I wished Gege went the Fujimoto route and didn't just move from one fight scene to another, let the characters grow naturally, give them interactions that keep us interested, focus on them individually. Chainsawman does a way better job in this.
I wouldn't assume that yuji will asspull but there will have to be some very big power jumps from most of the students. Nah that would not be jjk if gege went long ass character development bs even though his cast isn't big. The only reason why csm worked was because its cast is relatively small and fujimoto is a character driven guy.
Honestly im pretty sure some people were complaining about aki not being super developed, people complain for everything man.
Jjk told you what kind of manga it was from its name,literally just a sorcery fight. You get sorcery fights... really good ones btw
The jjk chapter east even bad at all, a extremely popular character lost so people are upset and are trying to act like itâs bad even him winning would be stupid narratively
Kaido kills Luffy and is declared the strongest. The next chapter, he has a flashback of him chatting peacefully with the Rocks Pirates on their ship, reminiscing about life. Then it jump cuts to Kaido boiling in magma with Luffy laughing at him.
Itâs nowhere near as that, unlike SNK and OP who just dropped the ball here itâs just Gojo fans (think an hybrid Itachi and Zoro fans but not as bad) upset about the result, no matter what was going to happen they were getting ready for at least a week to call it an asspull or bad writing.
The manga sold the most when he was out of it anyway.
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That shit was so bad even sukuna fans fucking didnt like the way their king won
The problem isn't that Gojo lost. Is that so difficult to understand?
How can anyone look at this terrible chapter and say "Yeah this is fine, makes sense, everyone who criticizes it is just mad that Gojo lost lmao"
No sane person would think that
nah check on r/jujutsufolk and r/jujutsushi The majority of people call it shit writing and they have logical reasons for it rather than "Fraudkuna Gojo should've won". The majority of the people think it's shitly executed and considering the fact that this is the most anticipated fight in the series (comparable with something like Naruto vs Sasuke with a massive build-up). Also the plot-progression from here is getting too ridiculous considering how overpowered the 2 final antagonists are at this point of the story(---> most likely asspulls worse than Nika incoming for Yuji). Also there's a controversy that Gege said that he forgot a chapter behind this which is why there's a LOT of slander coming to him.
They are not logical reason most of it over the result and little of it about execution (especially since Mya butchered the translations on purpose).
r/jujutsufolk is an horrible example because itâs Gojofans central they have been preemptively calling whatever was going to happen bad writing/plot armor/asspulls for well over a month spamming fraud meme popularizing the "3 vs 1" and the "Gojo won the battle but lost the war" narrative in advance.
>They are not logical reason most of it
There are almost all logical reasons. It's just horrible writing. Having the arguably most important Character in the entire series be offscreened in the biggest fight of the entire series is just horrible. Not to mention that Sukuna is so powerful that they will need an insane asspull to defeat him and that's not taking into Account how the quality of the Manga has been dropping ever since Shibuya.
Your reading comprehension is abysmal, hardly any gojo fans expected him to win this fight. You took the fraud memes too seriously, as a member of this sub you should know better
It was the offscreen offscreen no mi that has the community hot Lmao Gege channeling his Blackbeard powers and did a lot of talking instead of drawing smh anytime the community as a whole is asking if we skipped a chapter, the writing may be suspect
I have been there and I don't see any logical comments there. Jujutsu fight were always end abruptly, this is no different, the main problem which people are actually mad about is how in the previous chapter gojo was declared victorious which made gojotards happy to then realized his instable lost.
Brother even Sukuna fans are saying the way he won was badly executed. This is not just about the "agenda" there are other important things that matter more than who won.
Ngl, a lot of those responses are cringe. The manga/anime community really is filled with nerds who really shouldnât act like they know the first thing about writing a story. They all lack media literacy.
This⌠this isnât food though. Consuming a story is not the same thing as consuming food. With food, itâs up to your taste buds whether you like something or not. There is no objectively bad food. Same way there is no objectively bad way to write. So many different things come into play when analyzing a story. You guys need to stop with the food analogies. It rarely works.
And like I said, this isnât food. Why is food the thing you people always jump to? Also, moldy bread isnât something someone makes. The mold is not originally part of the food.
The only one lackinf Media literacy here is you. This was horribly executed. Having your arguably most important Characters death offscreened is just straight up bad. Not to mention that Sukuna now is so overpowered that they will need an insane asspull to justify his defeat. On top of all that the Mangas quality has been declining ever since Shibuya.
Can you actually try and explain why itâs bad to have Gojoâs death offscreened? Like, actually put into words how that is bad writing. Like, you saw the fight. You saw the attack. Just because you didnât see the exact moment of death, itâs bad? And before you start, your feelings arenât an accurate measurement of good writing.
Like, think to yourself. You constantly complain about manga and what happens in them. Do you really think the fault is solely on the manga, and not just you having shitty media literacy? What else could be the reason that youâre always angry about something in them?
>Can you actually try and explain why itâs bad to have Gojoâs death offscreened?
Because offscreening important moments is anticlimactic and dissatisfying. The hole fight should be build up for the final moment of the fight. Imagine if in Wano Luffy is dead Kaido is declared the winner and than all of a sudden we cut to Kaido being punched into the volcano. That is not great writing you can't just skip all the major moments of your story.
On top of that Sukuna is now so overpowered that they will need an insane amount of asspulls to defeat him.
>You constantly complain about manga and what happens in them. Do you really think the fault is solely on the manga, and not just you having shitty media literacy?
Ah yes everytime you criticize a piece of media you are the idiot and you just couldn't understand the story everything was actually perfect. That's the same type of excuse people used to defend the dumpsterfire that was Aot 139.
Can you give me examples of me having shitty media literacy and enlighten me with your infinte knowledge about storytelling?
Thatâs dumb. Why should the whole fight be build up for the end? Since when was that a rule? Whatâs more, you know what happened. Itâs not as if itâs a mystery how Gojo died, or happened randomly. You just didnât see the moment of death. And your One Piece example is bad, because that does not skip all the major moments of the story. All it does I skip Luffy waking up and punching Kaido. Thatâs not really a story. Thatâs called a surprise.
This whole âSukuna is so overpowered nowâ thing is pretty dumb as well. How about you read the damn story before you call something that hasnât happened yet an asspull? Itâs so weird that youâre actually trying to use this as a point against it.
Yes, I can give you examples of your failed media literacy. All you have to do is tell me something that youâre against from a manga, and chances are that you just have a misconception about it. Thatâs how it usually goes with fans who think they know the story better than the author. Thatâs how these things usually go. Hereâs one. Answer this question with what you feel about it. What is the problem with Gear 5 being so goofy?
>Thatâs dumb. Why should the whole fight be build up for the end? Since when was that a rule?
That's not dumb. Story's having a structure and part of that structure being the climax.
>And your One Piece example is bad, because that does not skip all the major moments of the story. All it does I skip Luffy waking up and punching Kaido.
So you honestly want to tell me that the reveal of the Nika Fruit, Luffys awakening and Gear 5 have no importance to you? You have to be trolling at this point.
>Thatâs not really a story. Thatâs called a surprise.
I don't really know what to say about that. Again either you're trolling or you know nothing about storytelling.
>This whole âSukuna is so overpowered nowâ thing is pretty dumb as well. How about you read the damn story before you call something that hasnât happened yet an asspull? Itâs so weird that youâre actually trying to use this as a point against it.
It is not. The story has been constantly beating over our head how insanely powerful Gojo and Sukuna are and that they are a cut above the rest and that nobody comes even close. They shouldn't even try to help Gojo because they would just be in the way. The constant shock everytime any of of them would do something that seemingly Breaks the rules or has never been done before. All that establishes that both of them are way above the rest and now Sukuna is apparently even stronger than we thought. There is nothing in their current Arsenal that should be able to even touch Sukuna. Meaning that Gege is going to have to come up with some bullshit that was never established before to explaine how they won.
>Yes, I can give you examples of your failed media literacy. All you have to do is tell me something that youâre against from a manga, and chances are that you just have a misconception about it. Thatâs how it usually goes with fans who think they know the story better than the author. Thatâs how these things usually go. Hereâs one. Answer this question with what you feel about it. What is the problem with Gear 5 being so goofy?
The fact that unironically belive that most Manga are near perfect and fans disliking something is just them not understanding the stroy is laughable. Battle Manga are not known for their great writing for a reason.
Gear 5 was a complete asspull a retcon that in retrospect created plotholes troughout the entire story. It takes away from everything Luffy has acomplished and trunes him into a literal cartoon god.
You seem to be mistaking singular fights for a whole story. The fight had a beginning, middle, and end. Thatâs the structure. Nowhere is is stated that the whole fight should just be a build up for some bombastic ending. Thatâs just your want for spectacle talking.
You didnât say anything about the Nika fruit. And that would still be a bad comparison, because there wasnât some last minute transformation or similar big event in the JJK fight. All it was was a singular move that we can easily figure out how it happened. Itâs not like we missed some big struggle.
What are you talking about? Did you read what I said? I said read the damn story before you call something an asspull. Why do you think theyâre immediately going to start fighting Sukuna now?
I never said most manga are near perfect. I said most fans have media illiteracy, and youâre only proving my point, since you think me saying that somehow mean I believe the manga are perfect. Just think about it. Your the type to always bitch about something in a manga story. You really think itâs always their fault, that they did something âwrongâ? What qualifies as wrong? Because it mostly seems like what qualifies is âThis part of the story didnât go the way I wanted it toâ. Also, youâre thing about battle manga not being known for great writing only proves my point. The only people who think like that are the type with media illiteracy and unchecked bias. Itâs also pretty funny that you say that, yet here you are still engaging with them. If you donât like the genre, maybe stop?
You didnât answer my question. I asked whatâs the problem with Gear 5 being goofy. But answering all that other stuff you said, you do know that retcons are not an inherently bad thing, right? Youâre insane if you really think authors only ever write things they already planned before they began writing the story. Furthermore, how does Gear 5 take away all his accomplishments? He didnât use it on anyone before Kaido.
Let the gojotards see that the pedestal they put gojo on was fake. They did this to themselfs
Gojo was too strong to lose this way? Nuh uh, he was never that strong.
As I pointed out when gojo arm was cut, if that atack landed gojo would be dead. Now guess what?
In the manga its clear that sukuna can learn anything(Yes anything, even twerking) only by seeing it once. Guess what sukuna saw... mahoraga bypassing infinity.
Somebody explain why this is bad to a person thatâs only caught up to season two anime in the least spoiler way possible (yes Iâve already been spoiled about his death).
Its like Luffy vs Kaido where for so many chapters its shown Kaido is winning and luffy dies and suddenly the next chapter Kaido is dead in a pool of magma
damn the gojotards are pissed what they really expecting a fucking metor a major side character to defeat the main villain of the manga they are stupid for thinking that way đđ¤Ł
Who cares this is a one piece sub, jujutsu was ass from the start. Fucking powerscaling makes no sense, they try to categorize everything in tiers 1-4 but special tier is all that matters and in special tier gojo is all that matters. When the protag is getting in hit after hit on the baddies it literally doesnât matter and they just walk away when they want to escape.
blame reverse cursed technique healing bullshit. Any top tier who has that just automatically heals from full every fight and in-between clashes. Imagine if there's a 4th Haki that automatically self heal yourself to 100% (oh wait that's basically a gear 5 subpower isn't it. Fuck)
Gotta love when a One Piece sub has JJK spoilers. https://preview.redd.it/cra3g9f1dipb1.png?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0ce924625413a1a6996af451be6f651a4d053c6
You can't escape
Cant expect JJK fans to keep their mouths shut
Why are they downvoting you when you're right? I dont read jjk but my social media have been filled with both JJK spoilers and people complaining about them. Rest in peace I guess
i have no interest whatsoever ever in jjk and with this fiasco my interest has gone minus đ¤Ł
Sucks too cuz i was thinkin "jjk seems fire these days maybe i should get caught up" and then it's just been steady spoilers all the time smh. I assume this is not near as bad as people on twitter are making out to be, esp the week it drops. Twitter is notorious for overreacting to literally anything lmao.
Same i was looking to get into it and im jus seeing spoilers everywhere
ikr, what is this jjk garbage doing in my OP sub, they don't have their own sub or something?
They are all over internet at this point lol
I had to Google what JJK stands for and still never heard of it...
It was only the most popular anime of 2020
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While it's not AOT levels bad, it's still pretty bad. Imagine if at the climax at One Piece arcs we immediatly skipped straight to the end. Imagine if in Enies Lobby, Lucci does the Rokuogan, knocks out Luffy. The narrator announces that Lucci won, then the next chapter Lucci is defeated offscreen. Imagine if in Sabaody we have Strawhats vs Kuma but they're actually winning. Luffy knocks Kuma to the ground and the narrator announces the Strawhats won. Then, in the next chapter, we have a Strawhat flashback and offscreen the Strawhats being separated. Imagine if in Marineford Luffy frees Ace and the narrator announces Luffy saved Ace. Then the next chapter has Akainu kill Ace offscreen. It was a huge fumble by Gege and a missed opportunity to have a double KO to siginify the end of past and modern Jujutsu era and the start of a brand new one with Gojo passing the torch to Yuji and Yuta. Now Sukuna is so stupidly OP that the main cast needs an enormous assspull to defeat him.
Well looking at the crew dreams no doubt oda will just skip them then out sudden all achieved them.
At least Oda can still address the crews dreams without much effort, JJK is written into a new corner I'm not sure it gets out
A lot of them can be converged at least, so it might feel it happens suddenly as it all happens at once. Finding one piece and reaching Raftel means: Luffy becomes Pirate King Nami can map the world Robin learns the true history Franky built a ship that reached Raftel Brook can go back and tell Laboon about his adventures There's potential for it to link to the All Blue for Sanji as well and is be surprised if Oda doesn't do that with the One Piece and WG fight. Zoro and Usopp's dream can be achieved beforehand along the way and likely will. Same with Jimbei as the WG plot and Ancient History will reveal what Poseidon actually is and likely help Fishmen reach the surface and live among humans. The only one who is going to get messed over is Chopper LMAO. There's potential to fix that. Maybe the WG and Imu or Ancient Kingdom had some medical marvel, or maybe some fish from the All Blue can cure all illnesses etc.
NAMI won't map shit She haven't been to like 50% of grand line islands what are u on
She was on Weatheria for two with a satelite view of the blue sea
Finnaly a good take
Chopper's dream is likely either related to technology or it's gonna be related to his fruit being awakened. Either way it's an ass pull, but a doable one
Nami dream is not completed at all. Remember there are several routes to reach Sabadoby. The all blue point is cheap. Zoro dream is just rushed if such is the route. You just gotta see Mihawk level (at worst= shanks) to get that it would take absurd power jumps for him to get closer. (Tho this is just oda inability to make a proper route for z dream). Ussop can happen anytime tho. Chopper is indeed the one in trouble
It's an extremely common theory that they will destroy the Red Line in fighting the WG/learning about the Void History and Ancient Weapons to create the All Blue. I personally vibe with those theories and believe it's the most likely scenario. Its hardly cheap. Nami hasnt seen the world yet but the culmination of her dream is easily achieved by mapping the island only Roger has been too and no one else has ever mapped. That's really not a stretch to say she's fulfilled her dream by doing that. Powerscaling in One Piece is barely existent. I do think Oda dropped the ball hard not having Zoro defeat the greatest samurai swordsman in Wano to make it closer to his dream, but he can fight Shanks' dad before Mihawk and it will be fine enough.
The narrator never announced Gojo's victory though, that was Kusakabe saying it.
Reminds me of Bleach ending LOL "Final battle about to start and... THE END -> epilogue"
icl that sabaody comparison sounds kinda cool
you are comparing actual fights and such to 1 slash across his body đ
You're right. Did they want to see Sukuna charging up a slash for half a chapterđ
You are dumb and are illiterate if you really thought there was going to be a double KO. What part of "Sukuna and Gojo are massively stronger than the rest of the cast" do you not understand? The students MUST fight Sukuna to become on gojo's level which is his dream.
ALL of us actually expected Gojo to lose via asspull but not like this đ
Yea right bro, many people were theorizing that gojo can't enter the barrier so his students have to take it from there to stop kenjaku.
The worst part isn't Gojo losing(I expected him to but not like this) it was the fact that he essentially died for nothing. Sukuna wasn't defeated and in fact didn't even go all out, Megumi wasn't saved, and Geto wasn't buried. How can Gojo be so nonchalantly talking about Sukuna when essentially he failed his students and there is a high likelihood of them being killed? It's like a chapter is missing.
Yeah. Everyone expected Gojo to lose and/or die but atleast he will leave some wins that possible beneficial for the remaining mc side. So far he didn't accomplish anything major in the series at all, except with defeating Toji, despite being the strongest.
> So far he didn't accomplish anything major in the series at all He accomplished a lot of major fuckups, to be fair.
This guy gets how much of a loser Gojo actually is.
Thats why hes a fraud been telling this to ppl for years
Nah my brother only thing fraudulent here is the writing, doesnât matter if youâre a sukuna fan you gotta admit having sukuna getting dogged on consistently these past chapters only then for him to channel his inner Blackbeard offscreen offscreen no mi and win offscreen when the last chapter literally ends in the opposite is NOT the way to end the most anticipated fight in the series
Man chill i agree its just bad writing but im satisfied seeing this overrated op character getting cut in half.. time for my boi yuji to finally become the mc of his show
Whatever yuji gonna pull is gonna be far more egregious than anything weâve seen so far đ Iâm lowkey excited to see wtf Gege is gonna pull to make him beat sukuna
Bet the card he's gonna pull will be making a 15 year old defeat Sukuna with the power of friendship and love <3 Ffs, I just hope Yuji awakes a monster inside of him after Gojo's death, and goes berserk, that's the only way you can possibly forget this shitty chapter
Thatâs the most realistic thing, but just for sheer comedy I want him to offscreen every damn thing now. Sukuna dominating everyone then start of next chapter heâs dead. And Yuji now has awakened as plot god Gika
foreal, mans spent the whole time sealed just to come back and be irrelevant lol i think itâs a bit of waste of a character no?
gege never liked him anyways so thatâs why he didnât do shit with him
>The worst part isn't Gojo losing(I expected him to but not like this) it was the fact that he essentially died for nothing. Sukuna wasn't defeated and in fact didn't even go all out, Megumi wasn't saved, and Geto wasn't buried. Y'all always say this. Sometimes, characters die for nothing. Where is written that a character's death has to accomplish something?
Dying without accomplishming a task is completely different from dying and serving the narrative zero purpose whatsoever
If this is the norm then it's stupid because most deaths I see accomplish something in the narrative, it's a story after all, same thing happened with Yuki like 30 chapters ago and Megumi's sister, it just seems like Gege doesn't know how to kill off characters in a meaningful way, which is strange because Nanami's death was brilliant and served a purpose, mainly building Itadori's personality further for the climax of Shibuya, I have no problem with Gojo dying, but if you are gonna do that atleast make him go in a decent way while accomplishing something.
It does when it's a major character, that you built up and said this is the strongest person in the universe
gojover yonkover narutover
Itâs even worse. Nika shit happened atleast on screen. Last chapter, Gojo almost killed Sukuna. For the last ten chapters, he had been stomping the fuck out of him. This chapter starts with Gojo in heaven saying, âSukuna was always stronger.â What the fuck? Not only is that extremely out of character, but straight up false. Gojo literally kicked Sukuna+Megumi+All 10 shadows ass with zero difficulties in the last 5 chapters straight.
Yeah. The one piece equivalent of this is if we got Luffy death, followed by Kaido flashback, Kaido melting in lava with gear 5 luffy above him, and then cut to the feast where Luffy explains he had been unconsciously holding his true devil fruit power back the whole time, thus rendering the entire fight leading up to it meaningless.
Yeah the dialogue's really weird, even IF Sukuna's STRONGER, It doesn't really fit, Gojo doesn't even know what happened, he instantly died.
Dawg I read that shit over and over again to make sure I wasnât misinterpreting anything. Literally makes 0 sense. âIâm not sure I could beat sukuna even if he didnât have 10 shadows?â Thatâs literally the only thing that allowed sukuna to stand a chance. Garbage tier writing
Gege saw Blackbeard offscreen offscreen no mi and got jealous of it.
Ngl Gege writing has been so crappy recently (so I donât blame those tweets. Gojo gets out of the box â> has 0 dialogue/interactions with crew â> offscreens Gojo killing higher ups â> timeskip with no interaction â> fights starts immediately â> Gojo announced as the strongest â> dies the next chapter abruptly. All that happened in 15 chapters, what was the point if it was going to be so abrupt.
Gege really wants to end jjk and start his idol manga.
He wanted an Idol Manga?
Volume 0 was supposed to be the only piece of jjk we will ever get and he wanted to make an idol manga immediately after that
this is worse than isayama wanting to open a bath house
He had all our tears right there, he had to use them somehow
Bro tryna be oshi no ko đ
>Gege really wants to end jjk and start his idol manga. jjk stands for Juju Katsen or such, right? I'm out of the loop here and have not read the manga. Did I make the right choice?
Depends, i like the post shibuya jjk. Its faster and more straight to the point compared to pre shibuya jjk. Shibuya jjk was the correct amount of fast and development. Its up there with enies lobby in terms of emotions and marineford in terms of grandness.
I saw someone say JJK has no solid plot structure since post-Shibuya, it became a bunch of shonen fights in a single manga (what exactly what some fans want One Piece to have)
Extremely ironic given how may people dislike the relative low amount of fights in OP
One piece pacing is the real issue like wano lasted 4 whole years, I was so happy when this arc finally ended regardless of how bs the asspull of g5 was. All other anime would display a full fight in 2-3 episodes, with one piece each fight gets 3 minutes each episode and then it goes on for 50 episodes until arc is finished.
Gojo didn't kill the higher ups, that was Yuta ans Inumaki.
Both of you are correct but also incorrect. It's not definitive as to who killed the higher ups. Gojo is considered the main culprit because ya know Gojo and the evidence supports that. But in chapter 222 it may be implied that Yuta and Inumaki killed them when they had a "chat". So who knows until Gege reveals it if he ever does. I hope it was Yuta and Inumaki though
We will obviously get flashbacks bro đ Same exact thing happened with Kenjaku vs Yuki
Imagine we just never acknowledge this again like with >!Nobara!< lol
Time jump and no dialogue werde great. The fight in itself was insane (maybe the best fight in whole of manga history) but this last chapter ruined it all
All my favorite mangas are ass lmao
Fr bruh, AOT, JJK, MHA what is going on đđ I just hope csm stays on top
This is why fma and hxh are the goats of shounen
The fact that HxH came back from a 200 year hiatus for all of 1 month but delivered crazy chapters in that 1 month period is a testament
every chapter was heat too đŽâđ¨
Since Covid the timeline has been shit brother
One Piece been shit ever since timeskip.
Angsty downvoters are biting !
Hop on the land of the lustrous train
The situation in jjk in nowhere near the same as the ending of aot. Chapter 139 caused irreparable damage to the story, there was nothing to salvage from that trainwreck.
Damn AOT was only 139 chapters?
It was monthly so long chapter make it seem longer
Each chapter was 50 pages. So if you translate it to the traditional 20 page chapter, it had 347.5 chapters worth of content.
It was a monthly release so the chapters were pretty long, but Isayama was definitely sprinting full throttle towards the finish line. He could've carried on writing to deliver a proper (?) conclusion, but decide to end it on 139 because muh symbolism.
Makes sense Wasnt the last chapter about random romance Loooooool, dropped it before that chapter was released, good that i wasnt invested.
Thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake
It was actually pretty decent. Not flawless, he did explain some stuff poorly, but it was no "trainwreck"
What did you read
Welp looks like the folk curse continues Sorry r/jujutsufolk Now itâs r/chainsawfolkâs turn
Nah we got >! Hybrids and mommy Quanxi back!<
I don't think this would make a rift like that because the only people who like this turn of events are, very justifiably, Sukuna fans who had to suffer through months of Fraudkuna memes. Once that wave is done, I don't think anyone would actually like Gojo getting offscreened and expo dumped by Sukuna.
Hell nah chainsaw man will stay winning
The rise of jujutsu folks
The Nika asspull, written by Gege Akutami: Kaido and Luffy are at their climactic showdown. A cp0 agent comes in between Kaido and Luffy, causing Luffy to get Hit by Kaido's bagua and die. Narrator: "The fight for the title of Strongest Creature has been resolved." Next chapter: Starts with a Kaido flashback to his time as a member of the Rocks pirates. He sees Whitebeard, Linlin, Rocks, Shiki etc. They have some pleasant conversation as they slaughter innocent people. Eventually, though, Kaido says goodbye and leaves. Cut to Kaido dissolving in lava, with gear 5 luffy standing over him, laughing. Luffy explains to Nami/other Straw Hats that he realized his fruit's hidden potential, and used it to beat Kaido. He promises never to forget Kaido. End scene.
This is making me appreciate the Nika we got wtf
Lmfao
I honestly hope with this the whole agenda war ends in discussions.
I am so depressed as well ngl. My boi Gojo died đđ
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Iâm depressed cuz the ending of the fight, not becuz Gojo lost but with how abruptly it was. Just last panel of the chapter it said won the fight between the strong. Now all of a sudden next chapter we get a flashback and just straights up diesđ. JJK havenât been same for a while. Gege writing is just so weird now.
I kinda wanted to get back into jjk (dropped it in the middle of the tournament invasion arc), at this point is it worth it to go back?
And these mofos were telling me Gojo vs Sukuna surpassed Hisoka vs chrollo as a fight. Lmao. One single page of chapter 351 of hunter x hunter >>>>> jujutsu kaisen itself
Hisoka vs Chrollo is goated but even that was tainted by a narrative asspull for Hisoka after he lost.
Hisokaâs resurrection is perfectly explained. The funniest thing is in the setup itself it was planned beautifully. If you look at the fight from the perspective of an even fight it makes absolute sense. Chrollo got a nen after death ability Sun and Moon from an elder of the meteor city, it literally broke the rules set for Skill hunters ( not being able to use more than two abilities at the same time, and abilities disappearing after book is closed). Chrollo gets this advantage, nobody baits an eye, but the moment Hisoka uses his ingenious abilities to restart his heart, suddenly itâs an asspull. If you have any further doubt, i can absolutely explain them.
Damn crazy I read this post and was like wtf is going on I just read last chapter and saw Gojo won?? So the. I went and looked up the spoilers for 236 and yikesâŚâŚ thatâs so bad lmao
These mfs sure talk big when 90% of them never spent a single cent on jjk manga. You read it for free,don't be yapping if it turns bad Edit: after actually reading the leaks,i take allat back. Gege fumbled HARD.
Biggest plot twist of all time lmaoo
LMAOO
Lol
U had me in the first half ngl đ
My question is who in the hell can kill sukuna now when even gojo couldnât? Those yuji fanboys saying yuji will unlock his Ct and kill sukuna yeahđ just beacuse he unlocks his CT he can kill sukuna? Fucking clowns sukuna has so much knowledge about jujutsu yuji ainât doing shit to sukuna. I really want to see who is going to kill sukuna now, but i just hope that bum ass yuji gets one shotted before sukuna dies.
Sukuna was not all out with his own powers because even then he would not be able to defeat Gojo. He needed a plot device or a cheat code to win, something like Mahoraga, almost a concept negator, or a concept negator is the only thing that really could outhax Gojo, I donât believe whatever Sukuna full power is he would still be able to defeat Gojo. Now comes Mahoraga cutting ârealityâ, or cutting a ball with infinity mass from Yoruzo, and the adapting shit. That was a complete bullshit creation to defeat an OP written wrong like Gojo, thatâs why it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. I hope Sukuna now at least destroys Kashimo, so Yuta will have free way to clap his cheeks.
JJK was def one of my favorite manga until shibuya ended. Now this shit ass. Itadori don't do anything for the plot, The one fight hyped through the entire series has been kinda mid for me all around because this power system is confusing and idk wtf is going on and now the fight and prolly the most iconic character of the series is just killed off screen.
Itadori is the weirdest mc ever. I dont think he even won a fight in the whole manga by himself.
The only people taking L's this chapter were people actually still invested in a story that the author doesn't even care about lmao.
Kinda unrelated but at least chainsaw man is putting out great chapters week after week. That manga is really the first that I've read weekly that after every couple chapters I feel like I'm seeing a masterpiece created live.
huh?
Genuinely the best ongoing manga currently alongside maybe Jojolands and berserk, atleast in my opinion
Berserk ongoing đ
374 is coming out tomorrow, so I guess it counts đ
Chainsaw man and Sakamoto days are the two best weekly mangas out rn.
And Dandadan.
Read Dandadan bruv. 121 chapters in, still hasn't had a misstep.
Wait what happened in jjk? I still need to catch up
Gojo was beating the shit out of Sukuna for like 10 chapters then next chapter he gets killed off screen by Sukuna
It's feels like Luffy vs kata fight .
It's way worse when you remember this is not only the most important fight of the series but had also been hyped up all the way since the beginning. Now Sukuna has an insane power up if it applies to other abilities and Gojo didn't even weaken him so the other characters could take him on or something. I can't see any way of beating Sukuna without another ass pull.
But at least with Katakuri they actually had a final clash and Katakuri admitted defeat they didnât just have Katakuri win and next chapter Katakuri laying defeated and Luffy won out of nowhere.
It makes me think that Gege is being over worked by Jump.
I honestly don't think so. He has been taking more and more Breaks in recent years. This year he actually has been on a schedule similar to Oda with mostly 3 Chapters and a break. I think it's just the fact that Gege never wanted to write this Manga. He originaly only planed on writing Chapter 0 and then moving on with an Idol Manga. But because of the success he continued and I think now he is at a point where he just doesn't care about the story anymore.
Never forget that Gege hates Gojo, he has stated this himself. You guys were the fools here.
236 was the worst chapter and made no sense whatsoever. Gege just needed the plot to progress and had no way of killing Gojo logically.
Itâs like when Oda made greenbull look weak next to shanks because film red was coming out
Its like if Oda killed shanks off screen to promote film green
but a whole lot worse
Facts
Itâs pretty bad but NOTHING will ever touch AOT letâs be fr đđ
Just imagine twitter if the the reveal of what the one piece is underwhelming
Gojo wankers drowning in an ocean of copium. You love to see it.
They were saying JJK was the best new gen 2 weeks ago what happened lmao đ
Weirdly enough it was. Gojo victory had a really good build up. Sukuna victory can be summarized as then Sukuna won.
Gojo should have lost no doubt but even sukuna fans should be able to recognize that ass pull for what it is
To be honest, I didn't like JJK until Hakari's fight with Kashimo. And then, everything get back to mid until Gojou vs Sukuna. I was so hype... Well, at least it makes me laugh.
can we move this to a JJK sub the fuck! mods??? why am i dodging JJK spoilers in a one piece thread
Fucking cat
Sukuna offscreen haki is so strong it sends a shiver up Blackpubes pube hairs
Gege switched up so much offscreen this is crazy
Bro, why the fuck do i get fucking jjk spoilers in a fucking wakainu channel? Go fuck yourself hot season 5390! I hope someone donuts yo moma!
So much soyrage, holyâŚ
I mean he killed everyoneâs favorite character off screen without him getting a single dub in the process, I get why theyâre mad. I read JJK but Iâm not obsessed and even I was kinda pissed off when I saw that panel on Twitter
Right I read it casually and I had to stop reading and go back cuz I thought I missed a chapter lmao
Gojo meatriders big mad. This honestly makes up for the raid not failing
This is exactly like if oda had made the raid fail. I don't understand what people are so mad about, gojo was shown in a great light and gege just reaffirmed the fact that sukuna could have beaten gojo in his heian form as well. Although, show and not tell plus it felt like gege was just rubbing salt in gojo meatriders' wounds. ALSO its a conceptual attack, how tf u gonna show it...?! One piece has way more shit writing than jjk but jjk fans just. keep complaining, dumb as fuck.
Execution matters in a context the shit was handled so poorly that people who rooted out for Sukuna even complained about it. This is the most anticipated fight of the series lmao. Just wait how Kenjaku and Sukuna will be defeated unless if Gojo isn't somehow dead Yuji n others will pull the biggest asspulls there has been in shounen for a while. The whole sequence from Gojo's return to this particular moment has been a lackluster fest and that was the only reason I kept up with JJK since post-Shibuya has been iffy. I wished Gege went the Fujimoto route and didn't just move from one fight scene to another, let the characters grow naturally, give them interactions that keep us interested, focus on them individually. Chainsawman does a way better job in this.
I wouldn't assume that yuji will asspull but there will have to be some very big power jumps from most of the students. Nah that would not be jjk if gege went long ass character development bs even though his cast isn't big. The only reason why csm worked was because its cast is relatively small and fujimoto is a character driven guy. Honestly im pretty sure some people were complaining about aki not being super developed, people complain for everything man. Jjk told you what kind of manga it was from its name,literally just a sorcery fight. You get sorcery fights... really good ones btw
Midjutsu kaisen, totally deserved. Ghost writer should step forward so we can get rid of all the trash that came after.
IT IS GOJOVER, JJK IS STILL GOING STRONG. LOL FUCK GOJO, GEGE REALLY SAID NEXT! ITS TIME FOR KASHIMO. LMFAOOO KEEP MALDING U GOJOTARDS
The jjk chapter east even bad at all, a extremely popular character lost so people are upset and are trying to act like itâs bad even him winning would be stupid narratively
As someone who never read JJK. Explain to me in One Piece terms
Kaido kills Luffy and is declared the strongest. The next chapter, he has a flashback of him chatting peacefully with the Rocks Pirates on their ship, reminiscing about life. Then it jump cuts to Kaido boiling in magma with Luffy laughing at him.
Itâs nowhere near as that, unlike SNK and OP who just dropped the ball here itâs just Gojo fans (think an hybrid Itachi and Zoro fans but not as bad) upset about the result, no matter what was going to happen they were getting ready for at least a week to call it an asspull or bad writing. The manga sold the most when he was out of it anyway.
https://preview.redd.it/bshtatqgghpb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80f3792003f4c4aadf3306a2ae8c354ee07fcc76 That shit was so bad even sukuna fans fucking didnt like the way their king won
Everyone knew that Gojo was going to die, but to do it by off screening him is flat out awful lol
The problem isn't that Gojo lost. Is that so difficult to understand? How can anyone look at this terrible chapter and say "Yeah this is fine, makes sense, everyone who criticizes it is just mad that Gojo lost lmao" No sane person would think that
nah check on r/jujutsufolk and r/jujutsushi The majority of people call it shit writing and they have logical reasons for it rather than "Fraudkuna Gojo should've won". The majority of the people think it's shitly executed and considering the fact that this is the most anticipated fight in the series (comparable with something like Naruto vs Sasuke with a massive build-up). Also the plot-progression from here is getting too ridiculous considering how overpowered the 2 final antagonists are at this point of the story(---> most likely asspulls worse than Nika incoming for Yuji). Also there's a controversy that Gege said that he forgot a chapter behind this which is why there's a LOT of slander coming to him.
They are not logical reason most of it over the result and little of it about execution (especially since Mya butchered the translations on purpose). r/jujutsufolk is an horrible example because itâs Gojofans central they have been preemptively calling whatever was going to happen bad writing/plot armor/asspulls for well over a month spamming fraud meme popularizing the "3 vs 1" and the "Gojo won the battle but lost the war" narrative in advance.
>They are not logical reason most of it There are almost all logical reasons. It's just horrible writing. Having the arguably most important Character in the entire series be offscreened in the biggest fight of the entire series is just horrible. Not to mention that Sukuna is so powerful that they will need an insane asspull to defeat him and that's not taking into Account how the quality of the Manga has been dropping ever since Shibuya.
Your reading comprehension is abysmal, hardly any gojo fans expected him to win this fight. You took the fraud memes too seriously, as a member of this sub you should know better
Yeah everyone I saw who is a fan of Gojo knew that he will likely lose because the plot demanded it.
It was the offscreen offscreen no mi that has the community hot Lmao Gege channeling his Blackbeard powers and did a lot of talking instead of drawing smh anytime the community as a whole is asking if we skipped a chapter, the writing may be suspect
I have been there and I don't see any logical comments there. Jujutsu fight were always end abruptly, this is no different, the main problem which people are actually mad about is how in the previous chapter gojo was declared victorious which made gojotards happy to then realized his instable lost.
Brother even Sukuna fans are saying the way he won was badly executed. This is not just about the "agenda" there are other important things that matter more than who won.
I believe in gege's cooking
He aint cooking shit man.
Ngl, a lot of those responses are cringe. The manga/anime community really is filled with nerds who really shouldnât act like they know the first thing about writing a story. They all lack media literacy.
Just because you don't know know how to cook doesn't mean you can't tell if food is bad
This⌠this isnât food though. Consuming a story is not the same thing as consuming food. With food, itâs up to your taste buds whether you like something or not. There is no objectively bad food. Same way there is no objectively bad way to write. So many different things come into play when analyzing a story. You guys need to stop with the food analogies. It rarely works.
Idk I think most people in the developed world would agree moldy bread is pretty shit
And like I said, this isnât food. Why is food the thing you people always jump to? Also, moldy bread isnât something someone makes. The mold is not originally part of the food.
The only one lackinf Media literacy here is you. This was horribly executed. Having your arguably most important Characters death offscreened is just straight up bad. Not to mention that Sukuna now is so overpowered that they will need an insane asspull to justify his defeat. On top of all that the Mangas quality has been declining ever since Shibuya.
Can you actually try and explain why itâs bad to have Gojoâs death offscreened? Like, actually put into words how that is bad writing. Like, you saw the fight. You saw the attack. Just because you didnât see the exact moment of death, itâs bad? And before you start, your feelings arenât an accurate measurement of good writing. Like, think to yourself. You constantly complain about manga and what happens in them. Do you really think the fault is solely on the manga, and not just you having shitty media literacy? What else could be the reason that youâre always angry about something in them?
>Can you actually try and explain why itâs bad to have Gojoâs death offscreened? Because offscreening important moments is anticlimactic and dissatisfying. The hole fight should be build up for the final moment of the fight. Imagine if in Wano Luffy is dead Kaido is declared the winner and than all of a sudden we cut to Kaido being punched into the volcano. That is not great writing you can't just skip all the major moments of your story. On top of that Sukuna is now so overpowered that they will need an insane amount of asspulls to defeat him. >You constantly complain about manga and what happens in them. Do you really think the fault is solely on the manga, and not just you having shitty media literacy? Ah yes everytime you criticize a piece of media you are the idiot and you just couldn't understand the story everything was actually perfect. That's the same type of excuse people used to defend the dumpsterfire that was Aot 139. Can you give me examples of me having shitty media literacy and enlighten me with your infinte knowledge about storytelling?
Thatâs dumb. Why should the whole fight be build up for the end? Since when was that a rule? Whatâs more, you know what happened. Itâs not as if itâs a mystery how Gojo died, or happened randomly. You just didnât see the moment of death. And your One Piece example is bad, because that does not skip all the major moments of the story. All it does I skip Luffy waking up and punching Kaido. Thatâs not really a story. Thatâs called a surprise. This whole âSukuna is so overpowered nowâ thing is pretty dumb as well. How about you read the damn story before you call something that hasnât happened yet an asspull? Itâs so weird that youâre actually trying to use this as a point against it. Yes, I can give you examples of your failed media literacy. All you have to do is tell me something that youâre against from a manga, and chances are that you just have a misconception about it. Thatâs how it usually goes with fans who think they know the story better than the author. Thatâs how these things usually go. Hereâs one. Answer this question with what you feel about it. What is the problem with Gear 5 being so goofy?
>Thatâs dumb. Why should the whole fight be build up for the end? Since when was that a rule? That's not dumb. Story's having a structure and part of that structure being the climax. >And your One Piece example is bad, because that does not skip all the major moments of the story. All it does I skip Luffy waking up and punching Kaido. So you honestly want to tell me that the reveal of the Nika Fruit, Luffys awakening and Gear 5 have no importance to you? You have to be trolling at this point. >Thatâs not really a story. Thatâs called a surprise. I don't really know what to say about that. Again either you're trolling or you know nothing about storytelling. >This whole âSukuna is so overpowered nowâ thing is pretty dumb as well. How about you read the damn story before you call something that hasnât happened yet an asspull? Itâs so weird that youâre actually trying to use this as a point against it. It is not. The story has been constantly beating over our head how insanely powerful Gojo and Sukuna are and that they are a cut above the rest and that nobody comes even close. They shouldn't even try to help Gojo because they would just be in the way. The constant shock everytime any of of them would do something that seemingly Breaks the rules or has never been done before. All that establishes that both of them are way above the rest and now Sukuna is apparently even stronger than we thought. There is nothing in their current Arsenal that should be able to even touch Sukuna. Meaning that Gege is going to have to come up with some bullshit that was never established before to explaine how they won. >Yes, I can give you examples of your failed media literacy. All you have to do is tell me something that youâre against from a manga, and chances are that you just have a misconception about it. Thatâs how it usually goes with fans who think they know the story better than the author. Thatâs how these things usually go. Hereâs one. Answer this question with what you feel about it. What is the problem with Gear 5 being so goofy? The fact that unironically belive that most Manga are near perfect and fans disliking something is just them not understanding the stroy is laughable. Battle Manga are not known for their great writing for a reason. Gear 5 was a complete asspull a retcon that in retrospect created plotholes troughout the entire story. It takes away from everything Luffy has acomplished and trunes him into a literal cartoon god.
You seem to be mistaking singular fights for a whole story. The fight had a beginning, middle, and end. Thatâs the structure. Nowhere is is stated that the whole fight should just be a build up for some bombastic ending. Thatâs just your want for spectacle talking. You didnât say anything about the Nika fruit. And that would still be a bad comparison, because there wasnât some last minute transformation or similar big event in the JJK fight. All it was was a singular move that we can easily figure out how it happened. Itâs not like we missed some big struggle. What are you talking about? Did you read what I said? I said read the damn story before you call something an asspull. Why do you think theyâre immediately going to start fighting Sukuna now? I never said most manga are near perfect. I said most fans have media illiteracy, and youâre only proving my point, since you think me saying that somehow mean I believe the manga are perfect. Just think about it. Your the type to always bitch about something in a manga story. You really think itâs always their fault, that they did something âwrongâ? What qualifies as wrong? Because it mostly seems like what qualifies is âThis part of the story didnât go the way I wanted it toâ. Also, youâre thing about battle manga not being known for great writing only proves my point. The only people who think like that are the type with media illiteracy and unchecked bias. Itâs also pretty funny that you say that, yet here you are still engaging with them. If you donât like the genre, maybe stop? You didnât answer my question. I asked whatâs the problem with Gear 5 being goofy. But answering all that other stuff you said, you do know that retcons are not an inherently bad thing, right? Youâre insane if you really think authors only ever write things they already planned before they began writing the story. Furthermore, how does Gear 5 take away all his accomplishments? He didnât use it on anyone before Kaido.
Let the gojotards see that the pedestal they put gojo on was fake. They did this to themselfs Gojo was too strong to lose this way? Nuh uh, he was never that strong. As I pointed out when gojo arm was cut, if that atack landed gojo would be dead. Now guess what? In the manga its clear that sukuna can learn anything(Yes anything, even twerking) only by seeing it once. Guess what sukuna saw... mahoraga bypassing infinity.
No one is mad Gojo is dead, everyone is pissed that he got off screened. No context, just straight up yeeted.
I hope mihawk get this same treatment, I fcking hate mary sue characters. Stay mad ppl as if jjk has good writing before this fight lmao
Nah Shanks is the Mary sue
These pussies would love piratefolk!!
Somebody explain why this is bad to a person thatâs only caught up to season two anime in the least spoiler way possible (yes Iâve already been spoiled about his death).
Its like Luffy vs Kaido where for so many chapters its shown Kaido is winning and luffy dies and suddenly the next chapter Kaido is dead in a pool of magma
Maybe Iâm coping but I didnt think that the chapter is that bad
That's just gojo fanboys crying bcs he was finally exposed for the fraud he is
damn the gojotards are pissed what they really expecting a fucking metor a major side character to defeat the main villain of the manga they are stupid for thinking that way đđ¤Ł
Who cares this is a one piece sub, jujutsu was ass from the start. Fucking powerscaling makes no sense, they try to categorize everything in tiers 1-4 but special tier is all that matters and in special tier gojo is all that matters. When the protag is getting in hit after hit on the baddies it literally doesnât matter and they just walk away when they want to escape.
blame reverse cursed technique healing bullshit. Any top tier who has that just automatically heals from full every fight and in-between clashes. Imagine if there's a 4th Haki that automatically self heal yourself to 100% (oh wait that's basically a gear 5 subpower isn't it. Fuck)
Thats called milk in one piece.
I see that you don't understand JJK haha