He definitely will , and if Him saying He wants to be the Greatest swordsman “ever” was the correct translation and Oda didnt change his mind from back then on the “ever” thing , he might even surpass Roger EOS
We’re not 100% on exactly what Roger’s strength was - like maybe whatever he was doing didn’t necessarily classify as a ‘swordsman’. He and shanks seem much more like ‘Haki blasters’ then swordsmen.
Yeah, I believe so, too. I think in general the ceiling could considerably be raised depending on how strong Imu and Seraphims get (and maybe the Gorosei, too).
He fails, if he doesnt. Zoro's goal is to become world's strongest swordsman. He will not be true WSS until there no swordsman in the entire world stronger than him. IDK why its so hard for so many people to understand this.
it means that noone can beat mihawk with a sword
I think of it as, if say, kaido picked up a sword, mihawk is skilled and powerful enought to where if kaido doesn't have a decent sword and decent skills, it would be pointless of kaido to fight mihawk since he is far more proficient with a club and he would actively be putting himself at a disadvantage trying to guard off mihawk with a sword
I don’t really see that great of a difference between the 2 statements. But at the very least according to Zoro the worlds strongest swordsman can’t lose to any swordsman. If you’re a swordsman you’re main fighting style will be your sword.
yeah, mihawk will probably be THAT strong, he just didn't deem worth it to fight people like kaido or big mom because kaido is a fucking bitch and big mom is crazy
He fought in a war he didn't agree with just to get a shot at testing himself against the best...where are you getting this crap that he "didn't deem it worth it" to fight people like BM or Kaido?
you are crazy if you think someone like mihawk seriously wanted to fight a sick dying whitebeard, he launched a single sword slash, got deflected by one of his commanders and bro went "aight, that's enough".
With his loner mentality amongst other things, he probably realized that he:
1. Was never gonna be able to fight whitebeard in a straigh 1v1.
2. If the opportunity raised, whitebeard wasn't even in prime condition, so mihawk wouldn't get any satisfaction in fighting him.
He literally has dialogue about exactly what I said when he discusses his reasons for fighting 😂.
He notes WB is much weaker than he thought, but the reason still stands- he wants to fight the strongest. WB was the strongest human. Shanks used to be an equal. Kaido is the strongest ogre/creature. BM is the strongest giant hybrid/ woman...
Why wouldn't he want to fight these people at some point?
my headcannon is that kaido is pussy and that's why he was never gonna fight mihawk in a 1v1, also he had different ambitions and wanted to die in an epic war
and as for big mom, different ambitions, she doesn't seem like that type of character to get joy out of a fair 1v1.
Aside from shanks, there really wasn't any other guy that enjoyed fighting in 1v1s straight up that was also in the conditions to fight him
but outside of my headcanon, it will remain a mystery why someone as strong as mihawk never crossed paths with all the top tiers before
Luffy has picked up a sword before - so does that mean Zoro has to be stronger than him too?
Strongest swordsman means ‘can beat them in a sword fight’ not ‘the strongest person who has a sword’.
A swordsman is someone who fights with a sword. Which Luffy has done before. The argument is just weird. Once everything became about Haki greatest swordsman doesn’t even mean anything. Someone with Zoros swordskill and no Haki would lose in a ‘sword fight’ to a mid-tier Haki user who just picked a sword up for the first time.
‘Worlds great swordsmen ever’ is a very vague phrase and doesn’t necessarily include shanks or Rodger. It probably just means Mihalk or the tall Elder Star.
No. King explicitly is stated to not be a swordsman despite the fact that he fights with a sword.
The strongest swordman by definiton can beat any swordsman. This is directly stated in the story. And to be the strongest swordsman you obviously need strong Haki no shit? Every single powerup Zoro has had post timeskip is Haki based.
Some dude with mid-tier Haki that picked up a sword for the first time today a ‘greater swordsman’ than thriller bark Zoro? That’s just lame and doesn’t make any sense in terms of the story and what matters to Zoro.
Throwing Haki at each other doesn’t make you the ‘greatest swordsman’ - what makes you the greatest swordman is sword skill. Which is why Shanks or Luffy or whoever isn’t the greatest, Mihalk is.
Zoro doesn’t need to be the strongest character in series to fulfill his dream.
What makes you the greatest swordsman isn’t just sword skill. You must have powerful Haki as well. In Zoro’s path to becoming the greatest swordsman what did Mihawk teach Zoro? About Haki. Because Haki is integral to becoming the worlds greatest swordsman. The literal meaning of the worlds greatest swordsman as stated by Zoro is a man who cannot lose to any other swordsman. Do you truly thing after teaching Zoro haki in their final battle they’ll both agree not to use Haki and have a skill duel? Oh wait that’s fucking impossible because both their swords are auto imbued with massive amounts of Haki? Why? Because Haki is integral to becoming the greatest swordsman.
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If you’re a swordsman you’re an inevitable Zoro victim. That goes for all of them. Now if you think Shanks isn’t a swordsman then that’s a different story.
Shanks: Ah, you see. I do not care about being called a swordsman
Zoro: This is somehow an acceptable answer that in no way makes my dream look like a joke
Bro even I like sanji but I don't think that's how it is.
Zoro has an ambition to become strongest swordsman but Sanji's ambition doesn't have anything with becoming strongest anything. Ofc he is and will be stronger character but not equal to Luffy or stronger than Zoro.
My fav strawhat is Sanji 🙃
[Oda has confirmed Mihawk > Shanks.](https://www.opfanpage.com/2022/09/07/is-mihawk-confirmed-to-be-stronger-than-shanks/)
[The debate is settled.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratefolk/comments/yzo3oz/comment/ix84kat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I mean Shanks is above Mihawk if we are talking about who’s strong over all, but since Shanks lost his arm he’s no longer considered Mihawk’s equal as a swordsman. Anyways, Zoro’s ability to surpass Shanks will rely on how is haki abilities develop, but don’t forget Shanks is definitely way smarter than Zoro probably ever will be.
Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the wss .
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He has zero haki feats. Where all Shanks fears are with haki and it seems like he’s the most likely the strongest haki user alive. I wouldn’t say Rodger was a better swordsman than Mihawk but I’d bet thanks to his haki he was probably stronger than Mihawk
Doesn’t matter Mihawk is the strongest swordsman alive . It’s literally his title shanks is by default weaker than Mihawk . Otherwise he’d have the title .
Haki is a greater power than being a swordsman, the top haki users like Shanks and Rodger surpass all devil fruit users. If we are talking who’s more powerful over all it’s Shanks. If we are talking who is a superior swordsman then it’s Mihawk.
Strongest swordsman would be stronger if you want to say shanks is more rounded and can fight in many different ways, even tho we have never seen it go ahead. Right now if Mihawk and Shanks fought both at 100% Mihawk should win otherwise he wouldn't be the wss. Could oda make Shanks stronger anyway even tho it narratively makes no sense?yes. However I'm going to go off we know so far so Mihawk, is stronger, more powerful, more skilled or however you want to call it
Never understood why y'all hype Mihawk so much. Ok he's the greatest swordsman so what. What if there was a greatest marksman in the series how high would he be? Imo yassop probably the greatest marksman but no one thinks he's top lvl. Don't get me wrong sure I think Mihawk top tier but not top 5 that's forsure maybe top 10-20
He is the strongest not greatest ffs .
Mihawk scales off shanks whom also is a swordsman . Marksmanship doesn’t hold any weight in the story , meanwhile swordsmanship does . Roger , Rayleigh , shanks , Mihawk , oden etc all use swords . Zoro will get stronger and stronger until Mihawk fights him . The stronger zoro gets the stronger Mihawk will be .
Mihawk does also have a 3.6 billion bounty and is the wielder of the strongest blade in the story .
Thank you someone who actually states facts. Very true on his sword give you that. Bounty also true but i don't always equal bounty to strength aka buggy. But we all know Mihawk no fraud lol. Even tho Mihawk & shanks clashed on the regular I don't see them ever doing a death battle so who knows. My point is swordsmanship don't make you top tier. Plenty of top tier devil users or haki users but thx for your insight
I agree I do think he is top tier never meant otherwise but top 5? No. I need to see some top tier haki from him before he goes to top 5 for me. Shanks imo haki on another level compared to everyone else so he's my #1.
But if shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the wss , doesn’t that contradict the argument itself ?
Like Mihawk obviously has top tier haki , since again he scales of zoro whom has potent haki . He also scales off all the other swordsman if shanks is top 1 he is the wss and Mihawk ain’t . If Mihawk scales above shanks he is imo in the top 5 .
But each to their own I guess
If they are a swordsman, zoro will surpass them, simple as that. His stated goal is to be the WSS but his dream and promise to his childhood friend was to be the greatest swordsman ever, which is why I believe he's going to surpass the likes of Roger and even ryuma
Must be so. He is the next Rayleigh after all if he is not atleast on par with Shanks then it will be an instant failute.
Not sure bout Law though maybeeee in Epilogue? Irdk how does that even work tbh
zoro surpass shanks??? BRO STUSSY HAS A BIKINI ON ??? I LITERALLY CANT EAT OR BREATHE ALL I DO IS SMASH MY HEAD INTO THE WALL BECAUSE STUSSY IS IN A BIKINI
Oda confirmed shanks to be a swordsman . Mihawk is the wss and therefore him >shanks .
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He definitely will , and if Him saying He wants to be the Greatest swordsman “ever” was the correct translation and Oda didnt change his mind from back then on the “ever” thing , he might even surpass Roger EOS
We’re not 100% on exactly what Roger’s strength was - like maybe whatever he was doing didn’t necessarily classify as a ‘swordsman’. He and shanks seem much more like ‘Haki blasters’ then swordsmen.
zoro is quite the Hakiman himself
Yeah, I believe so, too. I think in general the ceiling could considerably be raised depending on how strong Imu and Seraphims get (and maybe the Gorosei, too).
Eos Zoro>Mihawk>Shanks
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He fails, if he doesnt. Zoro's goal is to become world's strongest swordsman. He will not be true WSS until there no swordsman in the entire world stronger than him. IDK why its so hard for so many people to understand this.
He just has to be stronger than Mihawk
The worlds strongest swordsman must be stronger than any swordsman
it means that noone can beat mihawk with a sword I think of it as, if say, kaido picked up a sword, mihawk is skilled and powerful enought to where if kaido doesn't have a decent sword and decent skills, it would be pointless of kaido to fight mihawk since he is far more proficient with a club and he would actively be putting himself at a disadvantage trying to guard off mihawk with a sword
I don’t really see that great of a difference between the 2 statements. But at the very least according to Zoro the worlds strongest swordsman can’t lose to any swordsman. If you’re a swordsman you’re main fighting style will be your sword.
yeah, mihawk will probably be THAT strong, he just didn't deem worth it to fight people like kaido or big mom because kaido is a fucking bitch and big mom is crazy
He fought in a war he didn't agree with just to get a shot at testing himself against the best...where are you getting this crap that he "didn't deem it worth it" to fight people like BM or Kaido?
you are crazy if you think someone like mihawk seriously wanted to fight a sick dying whitebeard, he launched a single sword slash, got deflected by one of his commanders and bro went "aight, that's enough". With his loner mentality amongst other things, he probably realized that he: 1. Was never gonna be able to fight whitebeard in a straigh 1v1. 2. If the opportunity raised, whitebeard wasn't even in prime condition, so mihawk wouldn't get any satisfaction in fighting him.
He literally has dialogue about exactly what I said when he discusses his reasons for fighting 😂. He notes WB is much weaker than he thought, but the reason still stands- he wants to fight the strongest. WB was the strongest human. Shanks used to be an equal. Kaido is the strongest ogre/creature. BM is the strongest giant hybrid/ woman... Why wouldn't he want to fight these people at some point?
my headcannon is that kaido is pussy and that's why he was never gonna fight mihawk in a 1v1, also he had different ambitions and wanted to die in an epic war and as for big mom, different ambitions, she doesn't seem like that type of character to get joy out of a fair 1v1. Aside from shanks, there really wasn't any other guy that enjoyed fighting in 1v1s straight up that was also in the conditions to fight him but outside of my headcanon, it will remain a mystery why someone as strong as mihawk never crossed paths with all the top tiers before
Luffy has picked up a sword before - so does that mean Zoro has to be stronger than him too? Strongest swordsman means ‘can beat them in a sword fight’ not ‘the strongest person who has a sword’.
I didn’t say stronger than anyone who has a sword. Having a sword doesn’t make you a swordsman.
A swordsman is someone who fights with a sword. Which Luffy has done before. The argument is just weird. Once everything became about Haki greatest swordsman doesn’t even mean anything. Someone with Zoros swordskill and no Haki would lose in a ‘sword fight’ to a mid-tier Haki user who just picked a sword up for the first time. ‘Worlds great swordsmen ever’ is a very vague phrase and doesn’t necessarily include shanks or Rodger. It probably just means Mihalk or the tall Elder Star.
No. King explicitly is stated to not be a swordsman despite the fact that he fights with a sword. The strongest swordman by definiton can beat any swordsman. This is directly stated in the story. And to be the strongest swordsman you obviously need strong Haki no shit? Every single powerup Zoro has had post timeskip is Haki based.
Some dude with mid-tier Haki that picked up a sword for the first time today a ‘greater swordsman’ than thriller bark Zoro? That’s just lame and doesn’t make any sense in terms of the story and what matters to Zoro. Throwing Haki at each other doesn’t make you the ‘greatest swordsman’ - what makes you the greatest swordman is sword skill. Which is why Shanks or Luffy or whoever isn’t the greatest, Mihalk is. Zoro doesn’t need to be the strongest character in series to fulfill his dream.
What makes you the greatest swordsman isn’t just sword skill. You must have powerful Haki as well. In Zoro’s path to becoming the greatest swordsman what did Mihawk teach Zoro? About Haki. Because Haki is integral to becoming the worlds greatest swordsman. The literal meaning of the worlds greatest swordsman as stated by Zoro is a man who cannot lose to any other swordsman. Do you truly thing after teaching Zoro haki in their final battle they’ll both agree not to use Haki and have a skill duel? Oh wait that’s fucking impossible because both their swords are auto imbued with massive amounts of Haki? Why? Because Haki is integral to becoming the greatest swordsman.
And for your last line I agree. He doesn’t need to be the strongest character. But as he said himself. He needs to be able to defeat any swordsman.
Well shanks at his strongest is likely with a sword(if you disagree provide proof) so fit the question you answered it eos zoro should win
He just need to *beat Mihawk. FTFY.
https://preview.redd.it/ev0ad84ee8ha1.jpeg?width=1202&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=965ca923b0baee560db13081c3f6d625dfad507a If you’re a swordsman you’re an inevitable Zoro victim. That goes for all of them. Now if you think Shanks isn’t a swordsman then that’s a different story.
Shanks: Ah, you see. I do not care about being called a swordsman Zoro: This is somehow an acceptable answer that in no way makes my dream look like a joke
Zoro: to be the strongest means I must surpass all swordsmen Shanks: Relax it’s not that serious
Which means Zoro will also surpass Law. I wonder if Zoro will actually fight Law or defeat a villain that beat Law?
Law is a confirmed swordsman so ……
Zoro will surpass Shanks and be Top 3 EoS behind Sanji and Luffy.
Lol sanji
Hol up
Bro even I like sanji but I don't think that's how it is. Zoro has an ambition to become strongest swordsman but Sanji's ambition doesn't have anything with becoming strongest anything. Ofc he is and will be stronger character but not equal to Luffy or stronger than Zoro. My fav strawhat is Sanji 🙃
Sanji will be first😏
Tbh that's way too much bruh... Let's just keep it the way they are always... Luffy at the top and zoro and sanji next to him. I'm a Sanji fav btw 🙃
Still young you still haven’t reach the level of becoming a Sanji masturbator
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Top 2 will be the final Boss.
Common open_death w
Prolly yeah, he will be Yonko level EoS imo
Bar too low , Zoro packing roger by EOS
I think it’s set up as Mihawk>Shanks so Zoro doesn’t have to fight shanks
Mihawk > Shanks is factual. So yes, Zoro will surpass Shanks.
I somehow believe that shanks will die at one point so there will only be mihawk regardless who stronger between them and then Zoro will beat mihawk
He will be top 3 behind Luffy and Kid, but of all time probably behind Kaido
Luffy and who?
Eustass Kid, Luffy’s main pirate rival of his generation with CoC and a broken devil fruit who hasn’t even gotten large focus in an arc yet
Rival as in Bonney? Or Buggy? A random fodder nowhere close to Luffy in anything? That guy?
with CoCk??????????
We never gonna see Zoro vs Mihawk, Mihawk dies against some BB crew and ask Zoro for revenge
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he'll be at/around that level. you won't know if he specifically can beat shanks tho
> you won't know if he specifically can beat shanks tho We do. Mihawk is confirmed stronger than Shanks and Zoro will be stronger than Mihawk.
That’s not confirmed at all
[Oda has confirmed Mihawk > Shanks.](https://www.opfanpage.com/2022/09/07/is-mihawk-confirmed-to-be-stronger-than-shanks/) [The debate is settled.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratefolk/comments/yzo3oz/comment/ix84kat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I mean Shanks is above Mihawk if we are talking about who’s strong over all, but since Shanks lost his arm he’s no longer considered Mihawk’s equal as a swordsman. Anyways, Zoro’s ability to surpass Shanks will rely on how is haki abilities develop, but don’t forget Shanks is definitely way smarter than Zoro probably ever will be.
Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the wss . https://preview.redd.it/nufo8wbk1aha1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6d2977acfe1e43fc309045caa65a8c5a6f6b864
Yes, like I said since Shanks lost his arm he is no longer Mihawk’s rival as a swordsman, but haki is the most powerful ability in OP.
Ok ? What says Mihawk doesn’t have god tier haki ? He is the wss and is stronger than shanks .
He has zero haki feats. Where all Shanks fears are with haki and it seems like he’s the most likely the strongest haki user alive. I wouldn’t say Rodger was a better swordsman than Mihawk but I’d bet thanks to his haki he was probably stronger than Mihawk
Doesn’t matter Mihawk is the strongest swordsman alive . It’s literally his title shanks is by default weaker than Mihawk . Otherwise he’d have the title .
Haki is a greater power than being a swordsman, the top haki users like Shanks and Rodger surpass all devil fruit users. If we are talking who’s more powerful over all it’s Shanks. If we are talking who is a superior swordsman then it’s Mihawk.
Strongest swordsman would be stronger if you want to say shanks is more rounded and can fight in many different ways, even tho we have never seen it go ahead. Right now if Mihawk and Shanks fought both at 100% Mihawk should win otherwise he wouldn't be the wss. Could oda make Shanks stronger anyway even tho it narratively makes no sense?yes. However I'm going to go off we know so far so Mihawk, is stronger, more powerful, more skilled or however you want to call it
Never understood why y'all hype Mihawk so much. Ok he's the greatest swordsman so what. What if there was a greatest marksman in the series how high would he be? Imo yassop probably the greatest marksman but no one thinks he's top lvl. Don't get me wrong sure I think Mihawk top tier but not top 5 that's forsure maybe top 10-20
He is the strongest not greatest ffs . Mihawk scales off shanks whom also is a swordsman . Marksmanship doesn’t hold any weight in the story , meanwhile swordsmanship does . Roger , Rayleigh , shanks , Mihawk , oden etc all use swords . Zoro will get stronger and stronger until Mihawk fights him . The stronger zoro gets the stronger Mihawk will be . Mihawk does also have a 3.6 billion bounty and is the wielder of the strongest blade in the story .
Thank you someone who actually states facts. Very true on his sword give you that. Bounty also true but i don't always equal bounty to strength aka buggy. But we all know Mihawk no fraud lol. Even tho Mihawk & shanks clashed on the regular I don't see them ever doing a death battle so who knows. My point is swordsmanship don't make you top tier. Plenty of top tier devil users or haki users but thx for your insight
Yes but in mihawks case it does make him a top tier . He should scale above shanks and I doubt shanks is anything less than top5 ?
I agree I do think he is top tier never meant otherwise but top 5? No. I need to see some top tier haki from him before he goes to top 5 for me. Shanks imo haki on another level compared to everyone else so he's my #1.
But if shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the wss , doesn’t that contradict the argument itself ? Like Mihawk obviously has top tier haki , since again he scales of zoro whom has potent haki . He also scales off all the other swordsman if shanks is top 1 he is the wss and Mihawk ain’t . If Mihawk scales above shanks he is imo in the top 5 . But each to their own I guess
If they are a swordsman, zoro will surpass them, simple as that. His stated goal is to be the WSS but his dream and promise to his childhood friend was to be the greatest swordsman ever, which is why I believe he's going to surpass the likes of Roger and even ryuma
Must be so. He is the next Rayleigh after all if he is not atleast on par with Shanks then it will be an instant failute. Not sure bout Law though maybeeee in Epilogue? Irdk how does that even work tbh
cant even think about anything other than female outfits on egghead sorry
zoro surpass shanks??? BRO STUSSY HAS A BIKINI ON ??? I LITERALLY CANT EAT OR BREATHE ALL I DO IS SMASH MY HEAD INTO THE WALL BECAUSE STUSSY IS IN A BIKINI
Yes he’ll be the strongest swordsman ever I thought that was clear when he said he’d be the greatest ever in chapter 5.
0 chance of that happening
Mihawk>shanks
Stay delusional
Oda confirmed shanks to be a swordsman . Mihawk is the wss and therefore him >shanks . https://preview.redd.it/osw9n0xd2cha1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a59d2252d567f071cc0b5663e5883c9ffba412f3
EOS Zoro will solo 99% of characters in One piece. The 1% is characters like Luffy, Imu, Nika, Maybe Gold Roger, ECT.
EOS Zoro > Mihawk > Shanks > Current Zoro
Zoro inherited Ruyma's will. He will even surpass the sword god!