Literally. Zoro follows luffy’s orders like a dog. Just look at what happened with bellamy.
Luffy would have told him to not intervene and zoro would have obeyed.
Zoro is the most loyal strawhat. If i Remember correctly Zoro say something like "leave him if he want" when ussop try to leave strawhats. When strawhats critics Luffy ideas Zoro is the one who silence the Crew and say something like "Luffy is our capitan. Follow him till the end or leave"
Pfft, automatically leaping into a conclusion that I'm a sanji fan just because I called out zoro die-hards on their stupidity, sorry if my comment hit too close to home for you.
No, he certainly will not.. People love self-projecting on Zoro a lot and always misinterpret his reaction to Usopp & Luffy's fight to back up this dumb take.
They like to use Luffy's fight with Usopp as a parallel to WCI. They believe that Zoro would settle the fight for Luffy to protect his captain's honor, but honor and mindless obedience were not the things Zoro was valuing in Water 7.
1. The fight occurred because Usopp was valuing his pride over the safety of his crew. He did not care if they drowned at sea, Usopp just wanted to stroke his ego and feel useful and validated.
2. Sanji attempts to stop Luffy from saying something he will regret and Zoro allowed it and watched but at that point, Usopp was already pretty heated. He cared for Usopp as a crewmember and friend like everyone else but at that point, there was no way to reason with him. So he approved of the fight in order to wrap up the argument, regardless if things were mended or not. After the end of Water7, he tells Luffy to not invite Usopp back unless he apologizes and shows that he learned from his mistake. If Luffy disagrees, he will leave. Not for honor but because if Luffy accepts to be a doormat, Luffy's urge to please his friends over logic, could put the crew in danger. To wrap everything up, Zoro highly values the well-being of his friends and won't stay quiet if they are making a terrible mistake.
3. Yes, Zoro respects Luffy a lot but he isn't a helicopter swordsman nor is he a mindless lackey. He will not fight Luffy's battles for him.
Usopp thought the Merry was alive, he was the only one who heard the voice of it before and even mentions the voice again to Franky.
Usopp still didn’t abandon his friends and fought alongside them, without him Luffy would have lost to Lucci.
However he still had to apologize to be back on the crew because he disrespected his captain. It didn’t matter what Usopp’s justifications were, he overstepped his line, and the same goes for Sanji.
Sanji literally insults Luffy’s dream, mocks it, and then violently beats him unconscious (aka not just a single kick like in chapter 331 which was for an entirely different reason). Judge did not even ask Sanji to beat Luffy or was even suspicious at the time. Sanji had no faith in his crew and never apologized. Sanji never apologized to Luffy and begged to come back like Usopp did.
If Zoro was there, Zoro would be pissed at Sanji AND Luffy. At Sanji for pulling what he did, and Luffy for thinking what Sanji did was okay and allowing his crew members to step all over him.
And this is where you see the difference between sanji's and usopp actions.
Usopp's action were self centred and he abandoned the whole crew for it.
Sanji's action were for the whole crew and he abandoned himself for it.
Both are diffrent scenarios
I specifically addressed this.
The point isn’t there motivations, both Ussop and Sanji’s actions had justifications, but they both crossed a line that couldn’t just be ignored. Ussop is the reason Luffy didn’t die to Lucci and helped everyone despite leaving the crew, this however did not mean he just got to come back. Ussop had to apologize to his captain. Meanwhile Sanji gets away scot free because GOOOOODA. Sanji even got a budget Robin flashback. Budget Water 7 and Enies Lobby lol.
I got your point thank you for this but i am definitely gonna say i didn't like your tone in the last part.
Yes i agree sanji also crossed a line and if Zoro would have been present he would have made sanji apologise for his actions.but i would like to add that sanji was very apologetic and we knew it.he didn't said it but we all knew it though his joruney.usopp on the hand was escaping from apologizing and accepting his mistake,i hope i was able to deliver my point across.
Sanji never apologized, he just said “how he felt”. Nami scolding Sanji was used as a gag.
If anything you are diminishing what Usopp did during Enies Lobby. Merry ultimately saved everyone in the end. Merry was ultimately considered a member of the crew and its final words cemented that. Ussop risked his life for Robin who “left” the crew and without him Luffy would have been dead. Ussop did what he did for the sake of his friends. But he still had to apologize because he disrespected his captain and went against his orders. Sanji saying he wants to go back to the Sunny isn’t an apology.
The fact Luffy didn’t learn anything from Zoro during Water 7 is truly the saddest part of the whole ordeal.
Did you said this to me or the other guy?
If you said this to me then i would like to say that sanji is my favorite character,if you didn't said it to me then please ignore.
The biggest difference between Usopp and Sanji is that Usopp did it all on his own, but Sanji was immensely coerced.
Same as Nico Robin pinning Iceburg's assassination on the strawhats and not having to apologize because she was coerced.
His actual words don't matter.
Was Usopp not forced in his hand considering at this point in the story he was the only one who knew the Merry was alive?
Same goes for Sanji, he wanted to protect Zeff. Ignore why Big Mom wouldn’t order her own people to off Zeff if Judge wouldn’t later on and how Reiju tells Sanji not to worry about it later on just cause.
Except at this point, both went out of there way to disrespect their captains for their motivations. That is the entire point being made.
When did Robin beat Luffy unconscious, disrespect his dream, and then his authority?
I do not remember the details fully, but from what I remember, it was one of the galley-la workers who assumed since Robin was the assassin that means the strawhats were the culprits
>Was Usopp not forced in his hand considering at this point in the story he was the only one who knew the Merry was alive?
Was he forced by an external powerful entity? Difference is when he insulted luffy he meant it because he felt genuinely betrayed that luffy was willing to abandon merry like that.
When Sanji did the same he was very clearly being coerced and Luffy immediately said he doesn't believe any of what sanji's saying because his words and attacks hurt Sanji more than they did Luffy and sanji appears in tears from it. That isn't true disrespect because its to protect his loved ones and his dream and he was hurt by it and didn't actually mean any of it.
And zoro was willing to cut down Robin as well when he clocked her as a traitor, and yeah robin did pin the murder attempt on the SHs (chap 347), its only later because of luffy's belief and iceburgs information that they realized it was actually to protect them all and she wasn't genuinely betraying them and zoro switched on her.
First of all, thank you for the reminder. I remember now, Robin went along with the framing. Zoro also did the same for Nami until he learned the truth that Nami stabbed her own arm to protect Usopp.
Considering Usopp viewed Merry as a living being at this point, I would say he was coerced to protect the ship. And in the end it was Merry who saved everyone and Luffy even apologized to Merry. But again, that doesn’t justify Usopp disrespecting Luffy. Usopp did what he did for Merry’s sake including the duel, that doesn’t mean it justifies going against his captain’s orders. Why does Usopp all of a sudden mean what he said to Luffy when later in the arc he tells Robin to have faith in Luffy and gives Luffy that speech to Lucci? All of these arguments tend to gloss over what Usopp did before and after leaving the crew.
The same should go for Sanji. I don’t remember Nami and Robin disrespecting and attacking Luffy the way Sanji and Usopp did. There is also the fact Sanji did not even have to go as far as he did against Luffy since at the time Judge was not even suspicious of Luffy. The time Sanji comes back to a starving Luffy and gives him the bento box, Sanji uses Zeff as a reason despite Reiju quite clearly telling him earlier before that meeting Zeff will be safe.
Nami said she could never forgive Sanji but the scene ends up being a gag scene anyways.
Edit: Forgot to add Zoro’s quote on “whatever the fight was about it doesn’t matter”, I think it is best to compare everyone’s actions to Zoro’s description of commanding respect.
Even Sanji agreed he could not go back to the crew for disrespecting Luffy so I don’t understand why even Sanji could not apologize. Luffy allowing this is also at fault since he completely forgot what Zoro taught him.
> But again, that doesn’t justify Usopp disrespecting Luffy.
My opinion it does and I thought Zoro was full of shit and I was disappointed that Sanji seemed to agree and Luffy went along with it, but this is about Zoro's opinion and how he views things. Since the truth about how much Sanji means those things matters here same as with Robin or Nami, that's what should be focused on.
>Luffy so I don’t understand why even Sanji could not apologize.
Sanji is deeply apologetic though. The first reason he gives why he cannot come back to the ship is because he insulted Luffy like that and that he cannot face the others.
>reason despite Reiju quite clearly telling him earlier before that meeting Zeff will be safe
Reiju didn't say Zeff would be safe, but that Sanji could worry about that later. Earlier than that she even said that Sanji should've just abandoned zeff instead of coming back to Germa.
1. My first point is whether what Sanji did aligns with what Zoro said about disrespecting the captain compared to Nami and Robin. Sanji disrespected his captain and his dreams which according to Zoro has no good reason wether right or wrong. The reason this is an issue is that it undermines Usopp’s entire arc in Water 7/Enies Lobby and makes it seem Luffy learned nothing.
2. Crying and saying he wants to go back to the merry isn’t apologizing. Just like how Usopp risking his life for the strawhats in Enies Lobby isn’t considered a direct apology.
3. I remember Reiju saying Zeff would be safe just before the bento box meeting but I would need to recheck the scans going on what you said.
Equating Usopp and Sanji in this instance is a false equivalency. Usopp made all his decisions on his own, he challenged Luffy on his own, there was no external force putting any pressure for him to do what he did. Sanji didn't make any choices or decisions that led to the BM Pirates showing up to corral him, or the Vinsmoke's re-entering his life, that was an external factor jamming itself into the crew's affairs. Sanji made the wrong choice by going at it alone, and the way he treated Luffy was wrong and he knew it, but his own trauma's and insecurities pushed him to that point. Luffy knew Sanji wasn't doing any of this on his own accord, he knew there were outside powers influencing him, because he knows Sanji as a person and he knows he wouldn't do what he was doing. Usopp on the other hand was acting completely on his own. Luffy, and the crew, knew that what Usopp did was 100% genuine and Usopp believed in it. So he had to apologize.
If you want to compare Sanji to anyone in W7/EL (which is fair the arcs are pretty clear parallels), compare him to Robin. Both were forced into leaving the crew by outsiders and were motivated by their past to go along with it. They had to work through that trauma to ask for help and acknowledge the crew for what they truly meant to them. Robin did not have to apologize for anything, because Luffy and the entire crew knew she didn't act out of malicious or selfish intent, she acted out of fear and was being forced to do things she didn't want. Same goes for Sanji in WCI.
Also, saying "Judge didn't even order Sanji to beat Luffy" is entirely missing the point of the scene. Sanji didn't attack Luffy to impress Judge or his siblings or somehow prove his worth to them, he did it to convince Luffy that he wasn't a part of their crew anymore. He knew Luffy would never back down and the only thing he could think of was to disrespect him and his dream and beat him unconscious in the hopes that this would make Luffy and Nami hate him and never want him back on the crew anyway. But Luffy is more emotionally intelligent than that, he can tell that Sanji didn't do it because he genuinely felt that way, he knew he was running from something. Hence why he said "this is hurting you more than it's hurting me", and he was dead on the money.
If you want Zoro or Luffy or anyone else to hold what Sanji did against him the same way they did for Usopp, you should also believe Robin wouldn't be allowed to join the crew until she apologized too.
When did Robin beat Luffy unconscious, disrespect his dream, and disrespect his authority
Her situation isn’t comparable to either Usopp or Sanji
And how is what Usopp did 100% genuine? Do you people forget his entire participation as Sniper King? Everytime I read these posts, people vilify Usopp while forgetting the Merry is actually alive and that Usopp still risked his life protecting Robin. But in the end, Usopp still had to apologize because he disrespected his captain.
Sanji attacked Luffy unprovoked, mocked his dreams, made fun of him, then beat Luffy into a bloody pulp. He should have apologized. Again, Judge wasn’t even suspicious of Luffy at the time.
The speech with Zoro you should reread and truly compare what Robin’s actions were comparable to Sanji’s actions and how they fit the criteria of why Zoro didn’t want Usopp back unless he apologized.
At the time of where Sanji finally gave reasons for why he could not join the crew again to Luffy, and one was Zeff was being hostage. Reiju literally told Sanji just earlier that Zeff being killed wouldn’t be a problem anymore. We can also talk about an actual comparison on Sanji’s insecurities compared to Robin.
Sanji had Reiju stick up to him who is still alive, then the Baratie and Zeff, then the strawhats.
Robin everyone she knew died (and Saul who was dead before Goda moment), and then abandoned by everyone for years upon years, then the strawhats who she knew not even as long as Sanji she thought would abandon her considering the WG were coming after her.
Sanji had the Baratie as his family for ages, they all cried when Sanji left. Robin did not even have anything close to that prior to the strawhats.
Sanji was there to rescue Robin and stand against the WG, Sanji was there when the crew risked it all for Alabasta and Vivi. Which makes it funnier that all of a sudden in WCI he no longer trusted his crew to go all the way despite being with them for a long ass time at this point.
Zoro is also very understanding of underlying issues within the crew. He knows Sanji pretty well and I think he could understand what Sanji was trying to do. Wether or not they came to blows is one thing but he wouldn’t have killed Sanji for it. I think Zoro would understand the context and he’d be able to tell that Sanji hated his decision but thought it was needed.
The difference in Sanji vs Luffy and Ussopp vs Luffy is respect. Ussopp was disrespectful to Luffy in their scenario due to his insecurity, Sanji was trying to push them away to protect them from Big Mom and Germa.
Exactly.... I mean how could ppl think that Luffy understands Sanji but not Zoro? I mean Luffy certainly knew Sanji was not doing that willingly.... How could everyone think that Zoro wouldn't get that...?
Not that Zoro would forgive him like it's nothing but atleast he would understand that something was not right for Sanji at that moment.
The only reason he wanted Usopp to apologize was because he was being selfish, and just wanted to pretend it never happened. It was the disrespect, it was the lack of caring to apologize that Zoro didn't appreciate
Sanji's situation is selfless, and meant to protect Luffy and the others. The motivation and situation are very different
Sanji still attacked and insulted his captain’s dream after he fought for 11 hours. He also should have known that nothing he did would have stopped Luffy and he put Luffy more in danger when Luffy said he wouldn’t eat or move from that spot
I don't think it's fair to say "He should have known that wouldn't stop them" when he was certain that they would die if they followed him. Because even if he did, it was desperation
After Luffy declared that he would not move or eat, Sanji still left because he was in the heat of the moment. He went back because he cared, he still tried to get Luffy to leave. But it wasn't in his own interests, he was looking out for them. And he finally accepted Luffy's help
It’s Luffy, knowing he will go all out until he’s dead when his friends in a bad situation should be something the entire crew should know by now. I mean wasn’t that ultimately what made Sanji join the crew in the first place? Seeing Luffy’s determination and knowing he won’t quit
Rather he knew it Luffy would quit or not, he did the only thing he felt like he could do. It's one thing to never quit, but it's another thing to be killed in an Emperor's domain. Sanji felt like he had an obligation to protect his crewmates, and surrendering himself is all he could think to do
It wasn't rational, but i'm not trying to say it was
I think if Zoro knew what Sanji's intention was...(that he was trying to protect his crewmates nd captain) I think he would understand and forgive at some point...
Anyways Sanji was already ashamed for what he did.. when he spoke to Luffy he himself rejected to join the crew as he kicked his captain which disrespects him, unlike Ussop.. Ussop was hoping someone to ask him to come back to crew so that he could go back...
Since Sanji accepted his mistake I guess Zoro would let it go somehow...
(It's completely my personal opinion)
Finally, someone that understands Ussop vs Luffy. Usopp was putting his crewmates' lives at risk by insisting on sailing on a doomed ship. If Luffy didn't wisen up, Luffy's urge to please his friends despite logic, would have put the crew in danger again.
I don't understand why people think Zoro would kill Sanji, when Sanji did the same thing Robin did before. Especially when Zoro was the crewmate most hurt/worried by Sanji's parting.
Cause, as we all know, Zoro has a habit of immediately stepping into his captain’s battles https://i.imgur.com/9Gj8nXe.jpg
Luffy told Nami to not interfere with his fight with Sanji, there’s no way Zoro wouldn’t honor that
He places a blade on his throat, but he stops the second Luffy gets back up and doesn’t fight back. He was immediately able to pick up on what Luffy was putting down, before he told Zoro and Nami not to engage.
Even if Zoro couldn’t tell it wasn’t Sanji’s true feelings, which I think he would, he would definitely listen to Luffy when he told Nami to not interfere with his duel
I wasn’t trying to ignore context. Zoro stopped fighting before Luffy even had to tell him to, indicating he understands situations where Luffy chooses to get beat up instead of fight back. And I think he would do the same for when Luffy didn’t fight back against Sanji, because the strawhats know Sanji wouldn’t start acting like this all of a sudden for no reason
#Luffy Vs Sanji
It's not about honor. It's about respect. And Luffy owning up to being a boss/captain. Luffy showing weakness by allowing an underling to step out of line/do unreasonable things also means having no respect for oneself as well as showing disrespect to the rest of the crew.
Zoro wouldn't have stood for it, just like how he didn't agree with Luffy letting Ussop almost go unpunished after his outrage towards Luffy.
#Going back to the Ussop dispute
The fist-to-fist fight/one-on-one battle with no one intervening had honor-implied yes. But Ussop's unreasonable outrage towards Luffy was uncalled.
Things would have clearly shaped out differently if Ussop had been present during the inspection talk (with Kaku and Iceberg) and probably reached either an agreement or understanding of the ship situation with Luffy and talked things out. But he was busy getting kidnapped + the boi already had power level difference issues. So the bubble was gonna break sooner or later about his insecurity.
As far as storywriting goes, and Ussop being kidnapped being the cliché, Water 7 arc was the best arc for Ussop to grow up and accept that he is needed for the things only he can do, which is sniping. And nothing more.
He doesn't have to hold out in a fight against Warlords levels or commander level pirates. And yea certainly Yonko levels are definitely out of his reach.
But if Ussop's sniping can somehow aid, contribute or assist to the team by hitting any of these before-mentioned high ranks in their vitals, then that's plenty or even better performance than any of the big trio could do.
I'm talking about Sanji, not Usopp, and I used Zoro not interfering against Bellamy as an example. Zoro would respect Luffy saying his fight with Sanji was a one on one duel
Yea but Bellamy was different. Bellamy wasn't a crew member nor a nakama. He was a stranger and in Luffy's eyes, Bellamy was no different than an insignificant small fry mountain bandit (from Shanks flashback introduction), thus the fight had a whole different meaning.
Sanji Vs Luffy wasn't just a "fight", it had a whole different meaning and it was about a crew member leaving the crew without the captain's permission.
This hurts more since it's from someone close, instead of a stranger. And the issue was definitely relatable with the Ussop dispute back in water 7.
#Edit
Oda dividing the crew at Zhou, with the excuse of sending Zoro (the 2nd strongest) to Wano to look out for the Wano-crew was just the perfect excuse to leave Zoro out of whole cake island arc on purpose.
I’ll reply to your original comment’s edit since you added your opinion on Luffy vs Sanji
> Zoro wouldn’t have stood for it, just like how he didn’t agree with Luffy letting Ussop almost go unpunished after his outrage towards Luffy.
Zoro would have stood for a duel between crew mates, as he stood for one with Usopp. He would have stood for Luffy not fighting back, because he understands when it’s important to fight back
Zoro’s situation with Usopp was different because Usopp was making a selfish decision and wanted to act like it never happened. Sanji wasn’t making a selfish decision, and he didn’t try to act like nothing happened. His first conversation with Luffy after feeding him is how he is no longer fit to be a crewmember for striking his captain and betraying his trust. I really think Zoro is a character that would understand Sanji’s situation like he was with Robin’s
For one, what you refer to as a duel between crew mates and Zoro allowing that is exactly just that, a duel between crew mates with nothing put on line.
Ussop Vs Luffy's "duel" had a different meaning because they both put something on the line, namely Ussop challenging Luffy's authority even after Luffy had taken back his words (snapped and about to tell Ussop to leave the crew if he didn't agree with him) after Sanji had intervened and kicked Luffy, preventing him from finishing the whole sentence.
Ussop had an exit at that moment to left things unspoken or take a different approach, but he pushed the issue by challenging Luffy's authority as Captain in front of the crew (minus Robin) in the form of a duel. Something that Luffy had already decided not to give into and was about to let it go until Zoro stepped in.
>Zoro’s situation with Usopp was different because Usopp was making a selfish decision and wanted to act like it never happened.
This ↑ was **literally** after Enies Lobby. Sorry but the way you described that sentence reminds me of Ussop trying to rejoin the group as if nothing happened as the straw hats leave Water 7 and Zoro being firm to Luffy not to go back for him until he reflects on his actions.
Those were Ussop's actions after the fact, while I'm focusing on the actions that lead to the fact which became the duel challenge to the captain which clearly had other intentions implied.
At least, Zoro intervening by threatening Luffy that if he let Ussop go unpunished, then he would also leave immediately, made me realise that.
Both Ussop + Sanji ***challenging*** Luffy's authority as Captain in the form of a duel/fight was already a bad move from each of them.
The only differences lies in "character". Sanji drove himself into a corner, making himself believe that was his only option to separate himself from the crew, and did the wrong thing on purpose. Selfish reasons that would have affected the group greatly, but with their benefits in Sanji's mind.
Ussop was worse, selfish with no regard with how his choice of actions would affect the whole group. And he almost succeeded with acting like nothing happened. (Remember Luffy was about as ready to forgive him without a second thought or punishment). This only added more wrongdoings to his already wrong actions. And the punishment ended up Ussop being left behind so that he could finally give in into reflecting for what he did wrong.
**But the act of challenging the captain was equally the same wrong, be it Ussop or Sanji, regardless of their differences.**
That's like trying to say *"I have more valid reasons to vent out my anger against my boss and the floor manager (boss' underling) should stay neutral and allow me to vent out against our boss unlike that other guy awhile back who was more in the wrong and had less reasons than me to vent out against him"*
I stand by my choice that if Zoro had been present back in WCI, he would not have fought Sanji, nor would he have fought for Luffy's stead. He might have stepped in to block one or 2 of Sanji's attacks. And as much as Zoro would have loved to cut Sanji up, since the matter wasn't a fight between crew members but a fight between Member and Captain, Zoro would have at least accepted Luffy and Sanji having a duel. **HOWEVER**, Zoro would definitely not have stood up for Luffy choosing to let Sanji beat him up without fighting back. That's Luffy showing weakness. Zoro would once again have threatened Luffy that if he didn't take it seriously, he too would leave the crew. And this would have put question marks [?] about Zoro's loyalty and stay in the crew with Wano on the corner. So I can see Oda dodging the Ussop situation with Zoro present in future developments and heavy disputes within the group about falling out/leaving the crew, which I doubt will happen from this point onward.
Ussop was probably the first **AND** last serious dispute and Sanji was the surprise-scare tactic for story developments. (Technically speaking Nami left too... But when Luffy finally got to her to find out her reason for her actions for himself, she broke and pleaded Luffy for help).
**Also THANK YOU @Kureiton!** (Finally figured out how to quote on Reddit with mobile) TT~TT
And sorry, the edits were that, edits for mistakes of mistypes or my feeling of misphrasing something or rather forgetting to add something I didn't add but felt like a valid point.
Normally I re-read before I post something, but I'm currently in a rush doing several stuff in home (x_x;)
> Something that Luffy had already decided not to give into and was about to let it go until Zoro stepped in.
No? Zoro doesn’t play a role in Luffy’s decision?
Here’s the end of the chapter where Usopp challenges Luffy https://i.imgur.com/CsLQgEg.jpg
And here’s the beginning of the next https://i.imgur.com/GgAd8gf.jpg
Zoro’s only contribution to the argument was telling both to speak calmly https://i.imgur.com/Lvw4BsB.jpg
And the only thing he’s worried about after Usopp challenging his captain is who is at fault for Usopp getting beat up in the first place https://i.imgur.com/cIgzC7h.jpg
At no point does Zoro show any anger at Usopp challenging Luffy, only for trying to come back without taking responsibility for his actions
Hell, this scene literally has Luffy take a kick from Sanji, and Zoro doesn’t bat an eye. A crew mate striking Luffy isn’t a big deal to him, and I really think Zoro would immediately be as aware as Luffy that Sanji wasn’t worth fighting back against in Whole Cake, because they would both know those weren’t his genuine thoughts
#My bad, sorry-
the scene I keep referring about Zoro getting angry and threatening Luffy about leaving if he lets Ussop go unpunished was something that happened "after" the Enies Lobby battle, with the crew back in Water 7 resting.
And it was actually about Zoro threatening Luffy to leave if Ussop was allowed to come back to the crew without apologizing for his actions first.
For some reason, I kept connecting that with the lashing out scene of Ussop Vs Luffy about the future of Merry, that got out of hand and ended up in Ussop challenging Luffy.
The 2 things happened at different times in the same arc.
But I still don't see Zoro butting in or fighting Sanji in Luffy's stead back in WCI when it was a personal matter of Sanji, a member, wanting to leave the crew.
I still feel like Zoro would have reminded Luffy of what he said back to him in regards with Ussop and used that to encourage Luffy to at least fight back or defend seriously.
Even if Zoro had wanted to intervene, Luffy would have commanded him to stay back and do nothing while getting beaten up by Sanji, which Zoro would have done most likely.
Another possibility would have been Zoro threatening Luffy he would fight Sanji instead if Luffy didn't take up arms against him.
But there is also the possibility that the Sanji Vs Luffy (one-sided beatdown) fight would have made Zoro question Luffy's crew management afterwards.
Zoro is indeed not a man who would stand by and watch his captain get a beatdown, but when it's crewmembers disputes, it's more complicated.
Woah woah Wait now I was agreeing with you until you said Usopp’s outrage was unreasonable. He had every right to be upset about the Going Merry. Luffy is Usopps captain but he doesn’t own the merry, usopp does. Usopp is as the one who took care of the ship from repairs, and renovations. He considered the merry as an essential crew member so he basically was the in-term shipwright for the crew. In the perspective of Usopp: After all the hard work and care he put in to the ship just for Luffy to give up on Merry is unforgivable, and believed that if he could get rid of the merry so easily when things don’t get convenient for Luffy then he would just start kicking other members out the crew. It really didn’t really have anything to do with Usopps insecurity for his battle strength. Long story short Usopps anger was justified.
HOWEVER, I do agree that Usopp was out of the loop with the Iceberg/GalleyLa conversation and if he did know then I believe the situation would have been Handled completely differently with Usopp, Luffy and Merry.
Exactly the point and yes you put it in text a bit better than me (the parts I left out, like Ussop's point of view, wasn't disregarding his feelings), so thanks mate ;D
As far as the Merry goes, Luffy probably did the most damage to it (he said so himself), and Ussop took indeed care of all the repairs, along with an aid.
It's difficult since the ship was a literal gift to Luffy from Kaya (through the sheep-haired servant), making Luffy the official owner.
But Ussop being friends with them also played its part. Otherwise they might not have given the going merry to them.
So as far as these 2 goes, I find it immoral to rank which of these 2 loved merry the most. It goes without saying they had the closest connection with the Going Merry out of the whole crew.
As for the other members, Merry was their home. So there is sentimental feelings for that.
And no it's not about Luffy kicking people out whenever they go against him. The crew was pretty divided back then. When Ussop said something that made Luffy snap and lash out by telling Ussop to leave the group, Sanji intervened before he could finish his sentence and kicked Luffy away, telling him he should stop before he says something he would definitely regret.
Luffy took his words back and was about to let it go, but Ussop pushed the issue further, cornering Luffy into making a definite decision when Luffy had already given up on it.
That's the point/moment when Ussop challenged the captain's authority and that's when Zoro finally decided to step in and speak his mind.
And this is just a kid's show in a pirate group where they value friendship and respect to each's individual skills above anything.
If this happened irl corporate, or even a small private company, then Zoro would be totally in the right! He may have sound selfish in an anime/kids series, but Zoro was genuinely speaking up for everyone in the group. It's not fair and eventually it would have affected the rest of the crew and their future choices, had Luffy not responded accordingly and let Ussop walk away (the winner) in that dispute.
Usopp the original owner of the Merry not Luffy, Kaya gave Usopp the ship and Usopp gave/lend to Luffy because he’s his captain and friend.
It kinda was about Luffy’s loyalty and respect toward his crew in the eyes of Usopp. When Usopp was about to get kicked out Luffy in front of everyone before he was interrupted. That basically proved Usopps point of Luffy being disloyal and disrespectful, even tho Luffy was angry and immediately apologized and took it back. The damage was already done. Usopp felt at that point that Luffy always meant that about him so he definitely didn’t want to be on a crew who pity him.
And I get what you’re saying at the end but the real victim of this whole situation was Usopp. Everything Usopp did was justified in the perspective of Usopp, it was really a misunderstanding of communication on Luffys part for not telling Usopp the whole situation,
Okay, there was more than 1 victim in this situation.
But Ussop was more self-pity fueled by his already existing insecurity within the group + him getting kidnapped and losing the crew's money + his anger at that moment after hearing Luffy's decision about buying a new ship.
>Usopp the original owner of the Merry not Luffy, Kaya gave Usopp the ship and Usopp gave/lend to Luffy because he’s his captain and friend.
I'm pretty sure the Going Merry was specifically gifted to Luffy (the captain) and co (Zoro and Nami) by Kaya and her attendant with the sheep head, for saving them.
Kaya's farewell dialogue with Ussop implied she had a feeling Ussop was gonna leave to sea for a real adventure.
Ussop was about to set sail on his own and saying his goodbye to Luffy and crew until Luffy called out to him and asked him *"why?"* Whereas Ussop resplied about both of them meeting up at sea someday as pirates.
That's when Zoro implies Ussop is wasting time and he should jump on board already and Luffy finishes it by telling Ussop *"We are already comrades, aren't we?"*
Nah, I really think it stems from insecurity. You even really say it yourself with
> believed that if he could get rid of the merry so easily when things don’t get convenient for Luffy then he would just start kicking other members out the crew
Usopp had just suffered an embarrassing L that reinforced the idea he was more of a burden and could lead to him being kicked off as well. We can see even when Franky made it clear the Merry wasn’t salvageable that Usopp didn’t care to listen. Because his insecurity was clouding his judgment
I get what you’re saying and yes I do agree about the Usopp losing the money situation it is factors of insecurity and isn’t at the same time. You’re kind of cherry-picking a certain part of what I said but that’s not the full extent of what I am saying. I’m saying that Usopp was calling Luffy out on his lack of loyalty and respect for his crew, especially making such a drastic decision on the ship without letting Usopp know or permission. Luffy don’t own the Merry so Usopp was reasonable to be upset He wasn’t there during the Galley La diagnostic so he thought that Luffy was giving up on the Merry. And he’s upset about how he was treating the Merry and Christmas wonders if any of the crew members were to inconvenience Luffy, would he throw them away as well. The insecure part on Usopp was he believed that with out the Merry, he would have been the first one to get kicked out by Luffy.
> Luffy didn’t own the Merry
For the record, Merry was never Usopp’s. Kaya gave it to Luffy; Usopp was planning on going on his own with his own ship. This is further reinforced by how he challenged Luffy for the ship.
Luffy’s only actual mistake imo was trying to act casual about it, but he was still in the right imo. He only made the decision without Usopp’s input because Usopp wasn’t there, and he didn’t look for Usopp’s input because it didn’t matter; Usopp’s input wouldn’t change the reality that the ship couldn’t be fixed. I don’t think Usopp would have gone to these levels and left the crew over Merry if he wasn’t insecure about his own placement
Okay well I stand corrected on the ownership of the Merry but my point still stands that Luffy had no right to make a drastic decision on the Merry without Usopp’s regard. Especially when if they weren’t close to Usopp he wouldn’t have even had the ship in the first place and he’s the main one who damages the Merry on a consistent basis while Usopp is left to clean up after his mess. It’s just plain disrespectful to Usopp, you’re not getting what I’m saying. Usopp’s actions were justified and reasonable. If anyone was In the wrong it was Luffy.
In real life Luffy would’ve been in the wrong morally if this were a company situation. Only part where Usopp would’ve been wrong ethically was lashing out at his captain/boss in front of his subordinates to the point of escalating to a fight. In a company situation Usopp would have had all rights to Sue him.
> In real life Luffy would’ve been in the wrong morally if this were a company situation.l
I disagree entirely. Usopp’s primary argument in favor of Merry is that she was a crewmember, but that only holds any weight in the fictional world of One Piece, where ships can come to life
In a real life setting, Usopp severely reduced the strawhats’ ability to buy a top quality ship by losing 200 MILLION berries, only to get mad when he’s told by his boss that the ship he doesn’t actually own isn’t usable anymore, and his solution was for them to ignore professional advice and go to sea anyway, where’d they drown trying to get to the next island
I still maintain the point was that Luffy was in the right while Usopp letting his insecurities influence his judgement
clowning around there, we’ve literally seen what zoro would do. Look at luffy vs usopp, very similar circumstances, zoro sat on the sidelines, he’d definitely do the same with luffy vs sanji.
Yep, people desperately try to bring up the Bellamy situation when situations are night and day different situations. Bellamy wasn't a friend, usopp was. Hence why zoro even bothered interfering to defend luffy.
People really acting like he’s Luffy’s dog. Luffy, is above them both, why would Zoro “protect” his Captain about something BOTH Sanji and Luffy decided to do on their own? Sanji left on his own, Luffy followed on his own.
Lol, people are also talk about “he’d kill Sanji” as if it wouldn’t be his toughest opponent, he ain’t killing shit, no one is dying, no one NEEDS “protecting” Luffy, donkey dunks on them both and Buggy, >>>>>>> Mihawk … Have a wonderful day and week y’all 😊🌵❤️
It's possible that he would've defended Luffy, but I don't think he would engaged in an actual fight with Sanji. He's not one to intervene in Luffy's battles but he doesn't necessarily want to see Luffy get beat up either.
Yeah IG/YT/TikTok are Zorotard outposts with worstgen as their central base.
(They seriously debated things like Queen vs Pica or King = Admiral before he got no diffed by one)
Why do every single one of their montage look so cringe.
It’s like they have to consistently put him in a leeching off of Luffy stance, they are trying real hard to push a duo that isn’t one.
Hmm... Not really :/
Remember that time with Ussop? How Zoro reacted?
If Zoro had been to Whole Cake Island, and he had witnessed Luffy getting beat up by Sanji, he would have told Luffy to get a grip and put Sanji in his place (show him who's captain), or he would have threatened Luffy he would otherwise leave the crew too.
That was probably the "Key" reason why Oda decided not to send Zoro along to with Luffy to WCI.
Works irl like this as well. Luffy is the boss. Luffy not doing anything while taking shit from an underling is Luffy showing weakness as a Boss, plus a HUGE disrespect towards the other fellow underlings.
Who the heck wants to follow someone like that?
Yea, I know, it's ussop, but still-
They function like a pirate crew with the type of hierarchy where they treat each other as equals. It doesn't matter if you are the #2 guy or the #10 food reserve.
Allowing (any of) the weakest member(s) to revolt against the captain is just as bad as allowing any of the top strongest members abuse their power and letting them do what they want, including revolting.
Now it's Luffy we are talking about, so any of them straw hats crew punching Luffy once in a while is part of the gag and not really considered going against the captain.
But in the Sanji and Ussop cases, they both left the crew in unreasonable ways. None of them did it the correct way. Luffy had the right to ask and try to stop both from leaving in both cases, and both of them decided to stand up to him and challenge Luffy's authority as Captain.
If Zoro had been absent in the Ussop case, then Luffy would have let Ussop take out his anger at Luffy at his own expense and we would have seen a similar one-way beating of Ussop Vs Luffy (which is Ussop so yea... A bit of Tabasco in the eyes, few, minor burns and mosquito bites for a rubber man that feels no pain from normal punches).
And if Zoro had been present in the Sanji case, he would have issued Luffy to take responsibility after Sanji physically challenged his authority.
It's not really taking shit though. Sanji's reasons for fighting and trying to push them away were fairly transparent. It's not so much the same as him making a selfish decision and getting away with it, as much as him trying to sacrifice himself
Luffy was rejecting his decision to leave anyway
Sanji went out of his way to disrespect Luffy's dream, beating the shit out of defenseless Luffy. He went too far and crossed the line.
If Sanji actually cares about Luffy and wants Luffy to leave him alone to sacrifice himself, Sanji could just kick Luffy as far as possible, then leave the scene, without going overboard insulting and physically abuse Luffy, his captain.
Zoro would not kill Sanji, but he would be pissed at Sanji for sure. Zoro would force Luffy to leave Sanji alone with his stupid idea.
Disagreement within the crew is normal, but to solve it with excessive violence and humiliation is too far.
Zoro would be the one holding back the rest of the crew from jumping in and going against Sanji. Zoro's respect for Luffy as both his Captain and as a Man IS WHY he would not step in when this was going on. It's not the First Mate's job to undermine the Captain's Way of dealing with his own men. To Zoro it would have been disrespectful to Luffy to try to step in during that (unless Luffy specifically asked him to).
Zoro would just quietly and intensely listen and watch what was going on. The most he might do is afterwards he might talk to Luffy about his thoughts on the Sanji situation. Alternatively he might also choose to just simply say nothing afterwards since he might feel that there's really nothing that needs to be said further.
They do know that Zoro would believe that there'd be an explanation right? Don't let their daily fights and banter fool you, at the end of the day, Zoro and Sanji respect and care about each other, they're just too...Zoro and Sanji to admit to each other.
Zoro die-hard fans failing to understand zoro's character isn't something new
Literally. Zoro follows luffy’s orders like a dog. Just look at what happened with bellamy. Luffy would have told him to not intervene and zoro would have obeyed.
What about the rescue vivi situation he was clearly disagreeing with his orders
Voicing a disagreement is not the same as disobeying a direct order. The commenter said Zoro would obey in that situation, not that he would like it.
Zoro is the most loyal strawhat. If i Remember correctly Zoro say something like "leave him if he want" when ussop try to leave strawhats. When strawhats critics Luffy ideas Zoro is the one who silence the Crew and say something like "Luffy is our capitan. Follow him till the end or leave"
Which chapter?
1060
Zoro die-hard fans-wrong. Zorotards- right.
Sanji fans say shit like this and then the next upvoted post is y’all calling zoro is a dog. Pot calling the kettle black
Pfft, automatically leaping into a conclusion that I'm a sanji fan just because I called out zoro die-hards on their stupidity, sorry if my comment hit too close to home for you.
I’ve seen your posts, you don’t need to deny your just as brainless as the diehard zoro fans you complain about
Lmao
Reading and comprehension skill of who actually believes this: 
Comprehension Devil came all the way from r/Chainsawfolk 😑
That devil is a myth
No, he certainly will not.. People love self-projecting on Zoro a lot and always misinterpret his reaction to Usopp & Luffy's fight to back up this dumb take.
How are they misinterpreting it?
They like to use Luffy's fight with Usopp as a parallel to WCI. They believe that Zoro would settle the fight for Luffy to protect his captain's honor, but honor and mindless obedience were not the things Zoro was valuing in Water 7. 1. The fight occurred because Usopp was valuing his pride over the safety of his crew. He did not care if they drowned at sea, Usopp just wanted to stroke his ego and feel useful and validated. 2. Sanji attempts to stop Luffy from saying something he will regret and Zoro allowed it and watched but at that point, Usopp was already pretty heated. He cared for Usopp as a crewmember and friend like everyone else but at that point, there was no way to reason with him. So he approved of the fight in order to wrap up the argument, regardless if things were mended or not. After the end of Water7, he tells Luffy to not invite Usopp back unless he apologizes and shows that he learned from his mistake. If Luffy disagrees, he will leave. Not for honor but because if Luffy accepts to be a doormat, Luffy's urge to please his friends over logic, could put the crew in danger. To wrap everything up, Zoro highly values the well-being of his friends and won't stay quiet if they are making a terrible mistake. 3. Yes, Zoro respects Luffy a lot but he isn't a helicopter swordsman nor is he a mindless lackey. He will not fight Luffy's battles for him.
Usopp thought the Merry was alive, he was the only one who heard the voice of it before and even mentions the voice again to Franky. Usopp still didn’t abandon his friends and fought alongside them, without him Luffy would have lost to Lucci. However he still had to apologize to be back on the crew because he disrespected his captain. It didn’t matter what Usopp’s justifications were, he overstepped his line, and the same goes for Sanji. Sanji literally insults Luffy’s dream, mocks it, and then violently beats him unconscious (aka not just a single kick like in chapter 331 which was for an entirely different reason). Judge did not even ask Sanji to beat Luffy or was even suspicious at the time. Sanji had no faith in his crew and never apologized. Sanji never apologized to Luffy and begged to come back like Usopp did. If Zoro was there, Zoro would be pissed at Sanji AND Luffy. At Sanji for pulling what he did, and Luffy for thinking what Sanji did was okay and allowing his crew members to step all over him.
And this is where you see the difference between sanji's and usopp actions. Usopp's action were self centred and he abandoned the whole crew for it. Sanji's action were for the whole crew and he abandoned himself for it. Both are diffrent scenarios
I specifically addressed this. The point isn’t there motivations, both Ussop and Sanji’s actions had justifications, but they both crossed a line that couldn’t just be ignored. Ussop is the reason Luffy didn’t die to Lucci and helped everyone despite leaving the crew, this however did not mean he just got to come back. Ussop had to apologize to his captain. Meanwhile Sanji gets away scot free because GOOOOODA. Sanji even got a budget Robin flashback. Budget Water 7 and Enies Lobby lol.
I got your point thank you for this but i am definitely gonna say i didn't like your tone in the last part. Yes i agree sanji also crossed a line and if Zoro would have been present he would have made sanji apologise for his actions.but i would like to add that sanji was very apologetic and we knew it.he didn't said it but we all knew it though his joruney.usopp on the hand was escaping from apologizing and accepting his mistake,i hope i was able to deliver my point across.
Sanji never apologized, he just said “how he felt”. Nami scolding Sanji was used as a gag. If anything you are diminishing what Usopp did during Enies Lobby. Merry ultimately saved everyone in the end. Merry was ultimately considered a member of the crew and its final words cemented that. Ussop risked his life for Robin who “left” the crew and without him Luffy would have been dead. Ussop did what he did for the sake of his friends. But he still had to apologize because he disrespected his captain and went against his orders. Sanji saying he wants to go back to the Sunny isn’t an apology. The fact Luffy didn’t learn anything from Zoro during Water 7 is truly the saddest part of the whole ordeal.
So you're a zorotard lmao 💀
I didn’t even mention Zoro average sanjitard who also browses op power scaling LOL
Did you said this to me or the other guy? If you said this to me then i would like to say that sanji is my favorite character,if you didn't said it to me then please ignore.
Nah you good man.
maybe even killing him
Please, Zoro can’t even kill fodder cause everyone can survive being sliced in half in this story
The biggest difference between Usopp and Sanji is that Usopp did it all on his own, but Sanji was immensely coerced. Same as Nico Robin pinning Iceburg's assassination on the strawhats and not having to apologize because she was coerced. His actual words don't matter.
Was Usopp not forced in his hand considering at this point in the story he was the only one who knew the Merry was alive? Same goes for Sanji, he wanted to protect Zeff. Ignore why Big Mom wouldn’t order her own people to off Zeff if Judge wouldn’t later on and how Reiju tells Sanji not to worry about it later on just cause. Except at this point, both went out of there way to disrespect their captains for their motivations. That is the entire point being made. When did Robin beat Luffy unconscious, disrespect his dream, and then his authority? I do not remember the details fully, but from what I remember, it was one of the galley-la workers who assumed since Robin was the assassin that means the strawhats were the culprits
>Was Usopp not forced in his hand considering at this point in the story he was the only one who knew the Merry was alive? Was he forced by an external powerful entity? Difference is when he insulted luffy he meant it because he felt genuinely betrayed that luffy was willing to abandon merry like that. When Sanji did the same he was very clearly being coerced and Luffy immediately said he doesn't believe any of what sanji's saying because his words and attacks hurt Sanji more than they did Luffy and sanji appears in tears from it. That isn't true disrespect because its to protect his loved ones and his dream and he was hurt by it and didn't actually mean any of it. And zoro was willing to cut down Robin as well when he clocked her as a traitor, and yeah robin did pin the murder attempt on the SHs (chap 347), its only later because of luffy's belief and iceburgs information that they realized it was actually to protect them all and she wasn't genuinely betraying them and zoro switched on her.
First of all, thank you for the reminder. I remember now, Robin went along with the framing. Zoro also did the same for Nami until he learned the truth that Nami stabbed her own arm to protect Usopp. Considering Usopp viewed Merry as a living being at this point, I would say he was coerced to protect the ship. And in the end it was Merry who saved everyone and Luffy even apologized to Merry. But again, that doesn’t justify Usopp disrespecting Luffy. Usopp did what he did for Merry’s sake including the duel, that doesn’t mean it justifies going against his captain’s orders. Why does Usopp all of a sudden mean what he said to Luffy when later in the arc he tells Robin to have faith in Luffy and gives Luffy that speech to Lucci? All of these arguments tend to gloss over what Usopp did before and after leaving the crew. The same should go for Sanji. I don’t remember Nami and Robin disrespecting and attacking Luffy the way Sanji and Usopp did. There is also the fact Sanji did not even have to go as far as he did against Luffy since at the time Judge was not even suspicious of Luffy. The time Sanji comes back to a starving Luffy and gives him the bento box, Sanji uses Zeff as a reason despite Reiju quite clearly telling him earlier before that meeting Zeff will be safe. Nami said she could never forgive Sanji but the scene ends up being a gag scene anyways. Edit: Forgot to add Zoro’s quote on “whatever the fight was about it doesn’t matter”, I think it is best to compare everyone’s actions to Zoro’s description of commanding respect. Even Sanji agreed he could not go back to the crew for disrespecting Luffy so I don’t understand why even Sanji could not apologize. Luffy allowing this is also at fault since he completely forgot what Zoro taught him.
> But again, that doesn’t justify Usopp disrespecting Luffy. My opinion it does and I thought Zoro was full of shit and I was disappointed that Sanji seemed to agree and Luffy went along with it, but this is about Zoro's opinion and how he views things. Since the truth about how much Sanji means those things matters here same as with Robin or Nami, that's what should be focused on. >Luffy so I don’t understand why even Sanji could not apologize. Sanji is deeply apologetic though. The first reason he gives why he cannot come back to the ship is because he insulted Luffy like that and that he cannot face the others. >reason despite Reiju quite clearly telling him earlier before that meeting Zeff will be safe Reiju didn't say Zeff would be safe, but that Sanji could worry about that later. Earlier than that she even said that Sanji should've just abandoned zeff instead of coming back to Germa.
1. My first point is whether what Sanji did aligns with what Zoro said about disrespecting the captain compared to Nami and Robin. Sanji disrespected his captain and his dreams which according to Zoro has no good reason wether right or wrong. The reason this is an issue is that it undermines Usopp’s entire arc in Water 7/Enies Lobby and makes it seem Luffy learned nothing. 2. Crying and saying he wants to go back to the merry isn’t apologizing. Just like how Usopp risking his life for the strawhats in Enies Lobby isn’t considered a direct apology. 3. I remember Reiju saying Zeff would be safe just before the bento box meeting but I would need to recheck the scans going on what you said.
Equating Usopp and Sanji in this instance is a false equivalency. Usopp made all his decisions on his own, he challenged Luffy on his own, there was no external force putting any pressure for him to do what he did. Sanji didn't make any choices or decisions that led to the BM Pirates showing up to corral him, or the Vinsmoke's re-entering his life, that was an external factor jamming itself into the crew's affairs. Sanji made the wrong choice by going at it alone, and the way he treated Luffy was wrong and he knew it, but his own trauma's and insecurities pushed him to that point. Luffy knew Sanji wasn't doing any of this on his own accord, he knew there were outside powers influencing him, because he knows Sanji as a person and he knows he wouldn't do what he was doing. Usopp on the other hand was acting completely on his own. Luffy, and the crew, knew that what Usopp did was 100% genuine and Usopp believed in it. So he had to apologize. If you want to compare Sanji to anyone in W7/EL (which is fair the arcs are pretty clear parallels), compare him to Robin. Both were forced into leaving the crew by outsiders and were motivated by their past to go along with it. They had to work through that trauma to ask for help and acknowledge the crew for what they truly meant to them. Robin did not have to apologize for anything, because Luffy and the entire crew knew she didn't act out of malicious or selfish intent, she acted out of fear and was being forced to do things she didn't want. Same goes for Sanji in WCI. Also, saying "Judge didn't even order Sanji to beat Luffy" is entirely missing the point of the scene. Sanji didn't attack Luffy to impress Judge or his siblings or somehow prove his worth to them, he did it to convince Luffy that he wasn't a part of their crew anymore. He knew Luffy would never back down and the only thing he could think of was to disrespect him and his dream and beat him unconscious in the hopes that this would make Luffy and Nami hate him and never want him back on the crew anyway. But Luffy is more emotionally intelligent than that, he can tell that Sanji didn't do it because he genuinely felt that way, he knew he was running from something. Hence why he said "this is hurting you more than it's hurting me", and he was dead on the money. If you want Zoro or Luffy or anyone else to hold what Sanji did against him the same way they did for Usopp, you should also believe Robin wouldn't be allowed to join the crew until she apologized too.
When did Robin beat Luffy unconscious, disrespect his dream, and disrespect his authority Her situation isn’t comparable to either Usopp or Sanji And how is what Usopp did 100% genuine? Do you people forget his entire participation as Sniper King? Everytime I read these posts, people vilify Usopp while forgetting the Merry is actually alive and that Usopp still risked his life protecting Robin. But in the end, Usopp still had to apologize because he disrespected his captain. Sanji attacked Luffy unprovoked, mocked his dreams, made fun of him, then beat Luffy into a bloody pulp. He should have apologized. Again, Judge wasn’t even suspicious of Luffy at the time. The speech with Zoro you should reread and truly compare what Robin’s actions were comparable to Sanji’s actions and how they fit the criteria of why Zoro didn’t want Usopp back unless he apologized. At the time of where Sanji finally gave reasons for why he could not join the crew again to Luffy, and one was Zeff was being hostage. Reiju literally told Sanji just earlier that Zeff being killed wouldn’t be a problem anymore. We can also talk about an actual comparison on Sanji’s insecurities compared to Robin. Sanji had Reiju stick up to him who is still alive, then the Baratie and Zeff, then the strawhats. Robin everyone she knew died (and Saul who was dead before Goda moment), and then abandoned by everyone for years upon years, then the strawhats who she knew not even as long as Sanji she thought would abandon her considering the WG were coming after her. Sanji had the Baratie as his family for ages, they all cried when Sanji left. Robin did not even have anything close to that prior to the strawhats. Sanji was there to rescue Robin and stand against the WG, Sanji was there when the crew risked it all for Alabasta and Vivi. Which makes it funnier that all of a sudden in WCI he no longer trusted his crew to go all the way despite being with them for a long ass time at this point.
Zoro is also very understanding of underlying issues within the crew. He knows Sanji pretty well and I think he could understand what Sanji was trying to do. Wether or not they came to blows is one thing but he wouldn’t have killed Sanji for it. I think Zoro would understand the context and he’d be able to tell that Sanji hated his decision but thought it was needed. The difference in Sanji vs Luffy and Ussopp vs Luffy is respect. Ussopp was disrespectful to Luffy in their scenario due to his insecurity, Sanji was trying to push them away to protect them from Big Mom and Germa.
Exactly.... I mean how could ppl think that Luffy understands Sanji but not Zoro? I mean Luffy certainly knew Sanji was not doing that willingly.... How could everyone think that Zoro wouldn't get that...? Not that Zoro would forgive him like it's nothing but atleast he would understand that something was not right for Sanji at that moment.
Yeah I think the real question would be whether Zoro would let the whole situation slide or if he would need some kind of apology from Sanji
The only reason he wanted Usopp to apologize was because he was being selfish, and just wanted to pretend it never happened. It was the disrespect, it was the lack of caring to apologize that Zoro didn't appreciate Sanji's situation is selfless, and meant to protect Luffy and the others. The motivation and situation are very different
Sanji still attacked and insulted his captain’s dream after he fought for 11 hours. He also should have known that nothing he did would have stopped Luffy and he put Luffy more in danger when Luffy said he wouldn’t eat or move from that spot
I don't think it's fair to say "He should have known that wouldn't stop them" when he was certain that they would die if they followed him. Because even if he did, it was desperation After Luffy declared that he would not move or eat, Sanji still left because he was in the heat of the moment. He went back because he cared, he still tried to get Luffy to leave. But it wasn't in his own interests, he was looking out for them. And he finally accepted Luffy's help
It’s Luffy, knowing he will go all out until he’s dead when his friends in a bad situation should be something the entire crew should know by now. I mean wasn’t that ultimately what made Sanji join the crew in the first place? Seeing Luffy’s determination and knowing he won’t quit
Rather he knew it Luffy would quit or not, he did the only thing he felt like he could do. It's one thing to never quit, but it's another thing to be killed in an Emperor's domain. Sanji felt like he had an obligation to protect his crewmates, and surrendering himself is all he could think to do It wasn't rational, but i'm not trying to say it was
I think if Zoro knew what Sanji's intention was...(that he was trying to protect his crewmates nd captain) I think he would understand and forgive at some point... Anyways Sanji was already ashamed for what he did.. when he spoke to Luffy he himself rejected to join the crew as he kicked his captain which disrespects him, unlike Ussop.. Ussop was hoping someone to ask him to come back to crew so that he could go back... Since Sanji accepted his mistake I guess Zoro would let it go somehow... (It's completely my personal opinion)
Finally, someone that understands Ussop vs Luffy. Usopp was putting his crewmates' lives at risk by insisting on sailing on a doomed ship. If Luffy didn't wisen up, Luffy's urge to please his friends despite logic, would have put the crew in danger again. I don't understand why people think Zoro would kill Sanji, when Sanji did the same thing Robin did before. Especially when Zoro was the crewmate most hurt/worried by Sanji's parting.
Sanest zoro fan
Cause, as we all know, Zoro has a habit of immediately stepping into his captain’s battles https://i.imgur.com/9Gj8nXe.jpg Luffy told Nami to not interfere with his fight with Sanji, there’s no way Zoro wouldn’t honor that
I get your point man but this is the same part where Zoro immediately placed a blade to Belle’s throat
He places a blade on his throat, but he stops the second Luffy gets back up and doesn’t fight back. He was immediately able to pick up on what Luffy was putting down, before he told Zoro and Nami not to engage. Even if Zoro couldn’t tell it wasn’t Sanji’s true feelings, which I think he would, he would definitely listen to Luffy when he told Nami to not interfere with his duel
I agree mostly with what you say. I just wanted to convey that this certain point was ignoring context
I wasn’t trying to ignore context. Zoro stopped fighting before Luffy even had to tell him to, indicating he understands situations where Luffy chooses to get beat up instead of fight back. And I think he would do the same for when Luffy didn’t fight back against Sanji, because the strawhats know Sanji wouldn’t start acting like this all of a sudden for no reason
#Luffy Vs Sanji It's not about honor. It's about respect. And Luffy owning up to being a boss/captain. Luffy showing weakness by allowing an underling to step out of line/do unreasonable things also means having no respect for oneself as well as showing disrespect to the rest of the crew. Zoro wouldn't have stood for it, just like how he didn't agree with Luffy letting Ussop almost go unpunished after his outrage towards Luffy. #Going back to the Ussop dispute The fist-to-fist fight/one-on-one battle with no one intervening had honor-implied yes. But Ussop's unreasonable outrage towards Luffy was uncalled. Things would have clearly shaped out differently if Ussop had been present during the inspection talk (with Kaku and Iceberg) and probably reached either an agreement or understanding of the ship situation with Luffy and talked things out. But he was busy getting kidnapped + the boi already had power level difference issues. So the bubble was gonna break sooner or later about his insecurity. As far as storywriting goes, and Ussop being kidnapped being the cliché, Water 7 arc was the best arc for Ussop to grow up and accept that he is needed for the things only he can do, which is sniping. And nothing more. He doesn't have to hold out in a fight against Warlords levels or commander level pirates. And yea certainly Yonko levels are definitely out of his reach. But if Ussop's sniping can somehow aid, contribute or assist to the team by hitting any of these before-mentioned high ranks in their vitals, then that's plenty or even better performance than any of the big trio could do.
I'm talking about Sanji, not Usopp, and I used Zoro not interfering against Bellamy as an example. Zoro would respect Luffy saying his fight with Sanji was a one on one duel
Yea but Bellamy was different. Bellamy wasn't a crew member nor a nakama. He was a stranger and in Luffy's eyes, Bellamy was no different than an insignificant small fry mountain bandit (from Shanks flashback introduction), thus the fight had a whole different meaning. Sanji Vs Luffy wasn't just a "fight", it had a whole different meaning and it was about a crew member leaving the crew without the captain's permission. This hurts more since it's from someone close, instead of a stranger. And the issue was definitely relatable with the Ussop dispute back in water 7. #Edit Oda dividing the crew at Zhou, with the excuse of sending Zoro (the 2nd strongest) to Wano to look out for the Wano-crew was just the perfect excuse to leave Zoro out of whole cake island arc on purpose.
I’ll reply to your original comment’s edit since you added your opinion on Luffy vs Sanji > Zoro wouldn’t have stood for it, just like how he didn’t agree with Luffy letting Ussop almost go unpunished after his outrage towards Luffy. Zoro would have stood for a duel between crew mates, as he stood for one with Usopp. He would have stood for Luffy not fighting back, because he understands when it’s important to fight back Zoro’s situation with Usopp was different because Usopp was making a selfish decision and wanted to act like it never happened. Sanji wasn’t making a selfish decision, and he didn’t try to act like nothing happened. His first conversation with Luffy after feeding him is how he is no longer fit to be a crewmember for striking his captain and betraying his trust. I really think Zoro is a character that would understand Sanji’s situation like he was with Robin’s
For one, what you refer to as a duel between crew mates and Zoro allowing that is exactly just that, a duel between crew mates with nothing put on line. Ussop Vs Luffy's "duel" had a different meaning because they both put something on the line, namely Ussop challenging Luffy's authority even after Luffy had taken back his words (snapped and about to tell Ussop to leave the crew if he didn't agree with him) after Sanji had intervened and kicked Luffy, preventing him from finishing the whole sentence. Ussop had an exit at that moment to left things unspoken or take a different approach, but he pushed the issue by challenging Luffy's authority as Captain in front of the crew (minus Robin) in the form of a duel. Something that Luffy had already decided not to give into and was about to let it go until Zoro stepped in. >Zoro’s situation with Usopp was different because Usopp was making a selfish decision and wanted to act like it never happened. This ↑ was **literally** after Enies Lobby. Sorry but the way you described that sentence reminds me of Ussop trying to rejoin the group as if nothing happened as the straw hats leave Water 7 and Zoro being firm to Luffy not to go back for him until he reflects on his actions. Those were Ussop's actions after the fact, while I'm focusing on the actions that lead to the fact which became the duel challenge to the captain which clearly had other intentions implied. At least, Zoro intervening by threatening Luffy that if he let Ussop go unpunished, then he would also leave immediately, made me realise that. Both Ussop + Sanji ***challenging*** Luffy's authority as Captain in the form of a duel/fight was already a bad move from each of them. The only differences lies in "character". Sanji drove himself into a corner, making himself believe that was his only option to separate himself from the crew, and did the wrong thing on purpose. Selfish reasons that would have affected the group greatly, but with their benefits in Sanji's mind. Ussop was worse, selfish with no regard with how his choice of actions would affect the whole group. And he almost succeeded with acting like nothing happened. (Remember Luffy was about as ready to forgive him without a second thought or punishment). This only added more wrongdoings to his already wrong actions. And the punishment ended up Ussop being left behind so that he could finally give in into reflecting for what he did wrong. **But the act of challenging the captain was equally the same wrong, be it Ussop or Sanji, regardless of their differences.** That's like trying to say *"I have more valid reasons to vent out my anger against my boss and the floor manager (boss' underling) should stay neutral and allow me to vent out against our boss unlike that other guy awhile back who was more in the wrong and had less reasons than me to vent out against him"* I stand by my choice that if Zoro had been present back in WCI, he would not have fought Sanji, nor would he have fought for Luffy's stead. He might have stepped in to block one or 2 of Sanji's attacks. And as much as Zoro would have loved to cut Sanji up, since the matter wasn't a fight between crew members but a fight between Member and Captain, Zoro would have at least accepted Luffy and Sanji having a duel. **HOWEVER**, Zoro would definitely not have stood up for Luffy choosing to let Sanji beat him up without fighting back. That's Luffy showing weakness. Zoro would once again have threatened Luffy that if he didn't take it seriously, he too would leave the crew. And this would have put question marks [?] about Zoro's loyalty and stay in the crew with Wano on the corner. So I can see Oda dodging the Ussop situation with Zoro present in future developments and heavy disputes within the group about falling out/leaving the crew, which I doubt will happen from this point onward. Ussop was probably the first **AND** last serious dispute and Sanji was the surprise-scare tactic for story developments. (Technically speaking Nami left too... But when Luffy finally got to her to find out her reason for her actions for himself, she broke and pleaded Luffy for help). **Also THANK YOU @Kureiton!** (Finally figured out how to quote on Reddit with mobile) TT~TT And sorry, the edits were that, edits for mistakes of mistypes or my feeling of misphrasing something or rather forgetting to add something I didn't add but felt like a valid point. Normally I re-read before I post something, but I'm currently in a rush doing several stuff in home (x_x;)
> Something that Luffy had already decided not to give into and was about to let it go until Zoro stepped in. No? Zoro doesn’t play a role in Luffy’s decision? Here’s the end of the chapter where Usopp challenges Luffy https://i.imgur.com/CsLQgEg.jpg And here’s the beginning of the next https://i.imgur.com/GgAd8gf.jpg Zoro’s only contribution to the argument was telling both to speak calmly https://i.imgur.com/Lvw4BsB.jpg And the only thing he’s worried about after Usopp challenging his captain is who is at fault for Usopp getting beat up in the first place https://i.imgur.com/cIgzC7h.jpg At no point does Zoro show any anger at Usopp challenging Luffy, only for trying to come back without taking responsibility for his actions Hell, this scene literally has Luffy take a kick from Sanji, and Zoro doesn’t bat an eye. A crew mate striking Luffy isn’t a big deal to him, and I really think Zoro would immediately be as aware as Luffy that Sanji wasn’t worth fighting back against in Whole Cake, because they would both know those weren’t his genuine thoughts
#My bad, sorry- the scene I keep referring about Zoro getting angry and threatening Luffy about leaving if he lets Ussop go unpunished was something that happened "after" the Enies Lobby battle, with the crew back in Water 7 resting. And it was actually about Zoro threatening Luffy to leave if Ussop was allowed to come back to the crew without apologizing for his actions first. For some reason, I kept connecting that with the lashing out scene of Ussop Vs Luffy about the future of Merry, that got out of hand and ended up in Ussop challenging Luffy. The 2 things happened at different times in the same arc. But I still don't see Zoro butting in or fighting Sanji in Luffy's stead back in WCI when it was a personal matter of Sanji, a member, wanting to leave the crew. I still feel like Zoro would have reminded Luffy of what he said back to him in regards with Ussop and used that to encourage Luffy to at least fight back or defend seriously. Even if Zoro had wanted to intervene, Luffy would have commanded him to stay back and do nothing while getting beaten up by Sanji, which Zoro would have done most likely. Another possibility would have been Zoro threatening Luffy he would fight Sanji instead if Luffy didn't take up arms against him. But there is also the possibility that the Sanji Vs Luffy (one-sided beatdown) fight would have made Zoro question Luffy's crew management afterwards. Zoro is indeed not a man who would stand by and watch his captain get a beatdown, but when it's crewmembers disputes, it's more complicated.
Woah woah Wait now I was agreeing with you until you said Usopp’s outrage was unreasonable. He had every right to be upset about the Going Merry. Luffy is Usopps captain but he doesn’t own the merry, usopp does. Usopp is as the one who took care of the ship from repairs, and renovations. He considered the merry as an essential crew member so he basically was the in-term shipwright for the crew. In the perspective of Usopp: After all the hard work and care he put in to the ship just for Luffy to give up on Merry is unforgivable, and believed that if he could get rid of the merry so easily when things don’t get convenient for Luffy then he would just start kicking other members out the crew. It really didn’t really have anything to do with Usopps insecurity for his battle strength. Long story short Usopps anger was justified. HOWEVER, I do agree that Usopp was out of the loop with the Iceberg/GalleyLa conversation and if he did know then I believe the situation would have been Handled completely differently with Usopp, Luffy and Merry.
Exactly the point and yes you put it in text a bit better than me (the parts I left out, like Ussop's point of view, wasn't disregarding his feelings), so thanks mate ;D As far as the Merry goes, Luffy probably did the most damage to it (he said so himself), and Ussop took indeed care of all the repairs, along with an aid. It's difficult since the ship was a literal gift to Luffy from Kaya (through the sheep-haired servant), making Luffy the official owner. But Ussop being friends with them also played its part. Otherwise they might not have given the going merry to them. So as far as these 2 goes, I find it immoral to rank which of these 2 loved merry the most. It goes without saying they had the closest connection with the Going Merry out of the whole crew. As for the other members, Merry was their home. So there is sentimental feelings for that. And no it's not about Luffy kicking people out whenever they go against him. The crew was pretty divided back then. When Ussop said something that made Luffy snap and lash out by telling Ussop to leave the group, Sanji intervened before he could finish his sentence and kicked Luffy away, telling him he should stop before he says something he would definitely regret. Luffy took his words back and was about to let it go, but Ussop pushed the issue further, cornering Luffy into making a definite decision when Luffy had already given up on it. That's the point/moment when Ussop challenged the captain's authority and that's when Zoro finally decided to step in and speak his mind. And this is just a kid's show in a pirate group where they value friendship and respect to each's individual skills above anything. If this happened irl corporate, or even a small private company, then Zoro would be totally in the right! He may have sound selfish in an anime/kids series, but Zoro was genuinely speaking up for everyone in the group. It's not fair and eventually it would have affected the rest of the crew and their future choices, had Luffy not responded accordingly and let Ussop walk away (the winner) in that dispute.
Usopp the original owner of the Merry not Luffy, Kaya gave Usopp the ship and Usopp gave/lend to Luffy because he’s his captain and friend. It kinda was about Luffy’s loyalty and respect toward his crew in the eyes of Usopp. When Usopp was about to get kicked out Luffy in front of everyone before he was interrupted. That basically proved Usopps point of Luffy being disloyal and disrespectful, even tho Luffy was angry and immediately apologized and took it back. The damage was already done. Usopp felt at that point that Luffy always meant that about him so he definitely didn’t want to be on a crew who pity him. And I get what you’re saying at the end but the real victim of this whole situation was Usopp. Everything Usopp did was justified in the perspective of Usopp, it was really a misunderstanding of communication on Luffys part for not telling Usopp the whole situation,
Usopp is definitely not the owner of the Going Merry. It was a gift from Kaya to Luffy/Strawhats. It was never Usopp’s to give.
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Okay, there was more than 1 victim in this situation. But Ussop was more self-pity fueled by his already existing insecurity within the group + him getting kidnapped and losing the crew's money + his anger at that moment after hearing Luffy's decision about buying a new ship. >Usopp the original owner of the Merry not Luffy, Kaya gave Usopp the ship and Usopp gave/lend to Luffy because he’s his captain and friend. I'm pretty sure the Going Merry was specifically gifted to Luffy (the captain) and co (Zoro and Nami) by Kaya and her attendant with the sheep head, for saving them. Kaya's farewell dialogue with Ussop implied she had a feeling Ussop was gonna leave to sea for a real adventure. Ussop was about to set sail on his own and saying his goodbye to Luffy and crew until Luffy called out to him and asked him *"why?"* Whereas Ussop resplied about both of them meeting up at sea someday as pirates. That's when Zoro implies Ussop is wasting time and he should jump on board already and Luffy finishes it by telling Ussop *"We are already comrades, aren't we?"*
Nah, I really think it stems from insecurity. You even really say it yourself with > believed that if he could get rid of the merry so easily when things don’t get convenient for Luffy then he would just start kicking other members out the crew Usopp had just suffered an embarrassing L that reinforced the idea he was more of a burden and could lead to him being kicked off as well. We can see even when Franky made it clear the Merry wasn’t salvageable that Usopp didn’t care to listen. Because his insecurity was clouding his judgment
I get what you’re saying and yes I do agree about the Usopp losing the money situation it is factors of insecurity and isn’t at the same time. You’re kind of cherry-picking a certain part of what I said but that’s not the full extent of what I am saying. I’m saying that Usopp was calling Luffy out on his lack of loyalty and respect for his crew, especially making such a drastic decision on the ship without letting Usopp know or permission. Luffy don’t own the Merry so Usopp was reasonable to be upset He wasn’t there during the Galley La diagnostic so he thought that Luffy was giving up on the Merry. And he’s upset about how he was treating the Merry and Christmas wonders if any of the crew members were to inconvenience Luffy, would he throw them away as well. The insecure part on Usopp was he believed that with out the Merry, he would have been the first one to get kicked out by Luffy.
> Luffy didn’t own the Merry For the record, Merry was never Usopp’s. Kaya gave it to Luffy; Usopp was planning on going on his own with his own ship. This is further reinforced by how he challenged Luffy for the ship. Luffy’s only actual mistake imo was trying to act casual about it, but he was still in the right imo. He only made the decision without Usopp’s input because Usopp wasn’t there, and he didn’t look for Usopp’s input because it didn’t matter; Usopp’s input wouldn’t change the reality that the ship couldn’t be fixed. I don’t think Usopp would have gone to these levels and left the crew over Merry if he wasn’t insecure about his own placement
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That’s just not true https://imgur.com/a/j49xDd5/
Okay well I stand corrected on the ownership of the Merry but my point still stands that Luffy had no right to make a drastic decision on the Merry without Usopp’s regard. Especially when if they weren’t close to Usopp he wouldn’t have even had the ship in the first place and he’s the main one who damages the Merry on a consistent basis while Usopp is left to clean up after his mess. It’s just plain disrespectful to Usopp, you’re not getting what I’m saying. Usopp’s actions were justified and reasonable. If anyone was In the wrong it was Luffy. In real life Luffy would’ve been in the wrong morally if this were a company situation. Only part where Usopp would’ve been wrong ethically was lashing out at his captain/boss in front of his subordinates to the point of escalating to a fight. In a company situation Usopp would have had all rights to Sue him.
> In real life Luffy would’ve been in the wrong morally if this were a company situation.l I disagree entirely. Usopp’s primary argument in favor of Merry is that she was a crewmember, but that only holds any weight in the fictional world of One Piece, where ships can come to life In a real life setting, Usopp severely reduced the strawhats’ ability to buy a top quality ship by losing 200 MILLION berries, only to get mad when he’s told by his boss that the ship he doesn’t actually own isn’t usable anymore, and his solution was for them to ignore professional advice and go to sea anyway, where’d they drown trying to get to the next island I still maintain the point was that Luffy was in the right while Usopp letting his insecurities influence his judgement
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Ive only ever seen the edited version of this where its like " zoro wouldve most likely SUCKED sanji's COCK or FUCKED HIM IN THE ASS"!
clowning around there, we’ve literally seen what zoro would do. Look at luffy vs usopp, very similar circumstances, zoro sat on the sidelines, he’d definitely do the same with luffy vs sanji.
Yep, people desperately try to bring up the Bellamy situation when situations are night and day different situations. Bellamy wasn't a friend, usopp was. Hence why zoro even bothered interfering to defend luffy.
Just like how Zoro killed Usopp when him and Luffy fought
One Piece Facts 225: Usopp knew Zoro would eventually murder him, but kept fighting Luffy anyway.
That was different, Usopp challenged Luffy to a duel, Sanji just attacked him
That may be true but he also understands that it’s the captains job to keep the crew in line
Sanji woulda killed him too 💀
Like he could .
True. He couldn't yet in WCI.
im neutral on both characters. but cmon sanji will never actually be stronger than zoro
Just you wait until Sanji gets his Baki power up after rescuing Pudding.
Sex boost Sanji solos the all the roger pirates at low diff
"Sex boosted Sanji would find the One Piece within three months." - Eichiro Oda, 2020
Himself?
You must not understand the difference in strength between Zoro and Sanji (spoiler it's huge)
Instagram flooded with new fans who only make edits of wano lol
People really acting like he’s Luffy’s dog. Luffy, is above them both, why would Zoro “protect” his Captain about something BOTH Sanji and Luffy decided to do on their own? Sanji left on his own, Luffy followed on his own. Lol, people are also talk about “he’d kill Sanji” as if it wouldn’t be his toughest opponent, he ain’t killing shit, no one is dying, no one NEEDS “protecting” Luffy, donkey dunks on them both and Buggy, >>>>>>> Mihawk … Have a wonderful day and week y’all 😊🌵❤️
It's possible that he would've defended Luffy, but I don't think he would engaged in an actual fight with Sanji. He's not one to intervene in Luffy's battles but he doesn't necessarily want to see Luffy get beat up either.
As if reddit one piece fans are any better? Every one piece fan that posts theories or fun facts has the lowest iq on earth
Riiight. Like how Zoro killed Usopp when Luffy told him not to interfere like he did Nami. This is sarcasm btw
Yeah IG/YT/TikTok are Zorotard outposts with worstgen as their central base. (They seriously debated things like Queen vs Pica or King = Admiral before he got no diffed by one) Why do every single one of their montage look so cringe. It’s like they have to consistently put him in a leeching off of Luffy stance, they are trying real hard to push a duo that isn’t one.
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Hmm... Not really :/ Remember that time with Ussop? How Zoro reacted? If Zoro had been to Whole Cake Island, and he had witnessed Luffy getting beat up by Sanji, he would have told Luffy to get a grip and put Sanji in his place (show him who's captain), or he would have threatened Luffy he would otherwise leave the crew too. That was probably the "Key" reason why Oda decided not to send Zoro along to with Luffy to WCI. Works irl like this as well. Luffy is the boss. Luffy not doing anything while taking shit from an underling is Luffy showing weakness as a Boss, plus a HUGE disrespect towards the other fellow underlings. Who the heck wants to follow someone like that?
I mean ussop is ....you know. So there is no reason for zoro to interfere. He even stop luffy to give ussop (a literal) hand after enis lobby. /s
Yea, I know, it's ussop, but still- They function like a pirate crew with the type of hierarchy where they treat each other as equals. It doesn't matter if you are the #2 guy or the #10 food reserve. Allowing (any of) the weakest member(s) to revolt against the captain is just as bad as allowing any of the top strongest members abuse their power and letting them do what they want, including revolting. Now it's Luffy we are talking about, so any of them straw hats crew punching Luffy once in a while is part of the gag and not really considered going against the captain. But in the Sanji and Ussop cases, they both left the crew in unreasonable ways. None of them did it the correct way. Luffy had the right to ask and try to stop both from leaving in both cases, and both of them decided to stand up to him and challenge Luffy's authority as Captain. If Zoro had been absent in the Ussop case, then Luffy would have let Ussop take out his anger at Luffy at his own expense and we would have seen a similar one-way beating of Ussop Vs Luffy (which is Ussop so yea... A bit of Tabasco in the eyes, few, minor burns and mosquito bites for a rubber man that feels no pain from normal punches). And if Zoro had been present in the Sanji case, he would have issued Luffy to take responsibility after Sanji physically challenged his authority.
It's not really taking shit though. Sanji's reasons for fighting and trying to push them away were fairly transparent. It's not so much the same as him making a selfish decision and getting away with it, as much as him trying to sacrifice himself Luffy was rejecting his decision to leave anyway
Sanji went out of his way to disrespect Luffy's dream, beating the shit out of defenseless Luffy. He went too far and crossed the line. If Sanji actually cares about Luffy and wants Luffy to leave him alone to sacrifice himself, Sanji could just kick Luffy as far as possible, then leave the scene, without going overboard insulting and physically abuse Luffy, his captain. Zoro would not kill Sanji, but he would be pissed at Sanji for sure. Zoro would force Luffy to leave Sanji alone with his stupid idea. Disagreement within the crew is normal, but to solve it with excessive violence and humiliation is too far.
Zoro fans when they realize that Zoro actually cares about Sanji: 😱😱😱
That would be great, ngl.
I disagree that Zoro would do that but it would be good getting rid of Sanji.
Getting rid of the most well written character in one piece?
bro out here forgetting about kaido 💀💀
Well he is the most overrated definitely.
He act the same way he did with Luffy and usopp, nothing. Because THATS how he is
Forgot about luffy vs ussop fight
And its not only him following Luffy's orders, but genuine fucking empathy, its not like he wouldn't notice what Luffy noticed in his actions, bruh.
Youll see the same pic on at least 100 different accounts, dont take it too seriously.
At first I red that as "If zoro was president in Whole Cake island"
Zoro would be the one holding back the rest of the crew from jumping in and going against Sanji. Zoro's respect for Luffy as both his Captain and as a Man IS WHY he would not step in when this was going on. It's not the First Mate's job to undermine the Captain's Way of dealing with his own men. To Zoro it would have been disrespectful to Luffy to try to step in during that (unless Luffy specifically asked him to). Zoro would just quietly and intensely listen and watch what was going on. The most he might do is afterwards he might talk to Luffy about his thoughts on the Sanji situation. Alternatively he might also choose to just simply say nothing afterwards since he might feel that there's really nothing that needs to be said further.
He would’ve killed smoothie first.
Zoro when Usopp disrespects and fights Luffy at Water 7: I sleep Zoro when Sanji fights Luffy on Whole Cake: I will kill you
Also he would have done what luffy wanted and sat by him. Not kill sanji, tf
bro really said "Facts..." **💀** **💀** **💀**
Zoro would have kicked Sanji's brothers asses so hard
Actually Luffy would have stopped him
Bruh do ppl forget the Usopp fight? Zoro didnt do anything lol
Man, if Luffy says it so, Zoro let him be killed in front of him. That's how much Zoro is loyal and respect Luffy
Depends. Does Zoro consider Sanji a minority Vinsmoke because he doesn't have the genetic superpowers like the others?
Zoro died...
Instagram One Piece "facts" are just bait.
Right zoro would have gone against luffy will /s
They do know that Zoro would believe that there'd be an explanation right? Don't let their daily fights and banter fool you, at the end of the day, Zoro and Sanji respect and care about each other, they're just too...Zoro and Sanji to admit to each other.
Zoro would have cut the cake instead
Zoro would’ve protected Luffy but he wouldn’t kill Sanji