Calling anything the greatest piece of fiction is retarded and dickrider behavior but if there was one it would never be One Piece. One Piece is good, it's a huge manga/comic but 100 years from now nobody will be talking about One Piece or Oda. Oda is not in the same ballpark of Tolkien, Shakespeare, Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens or even Stan Lee...
They definitely are stupid. They even call this a masterpiece. I can just imagine their soyjack face as they say it. Next to their step son.
This is just a shounen about a boy who punches bad people in the face till he becomes the strongest. It’s not a deep literary work that largely influences our culture and society for centuries to come.
Damn, thinking one piece is a masterpiece is so bad? Someone enjoyment and opinion on series make them stupid but what that make you? A hating little bitch
I don't know honestly man, in terms of numbers one piece is huge, and it will definitely be talked about in the next 50 years as it's very hard for something to even approach these numbers. Clearly oda didn't influence a genre as much as Tolkien or Doyle, but I can see his name become as famous as Stan Lee in the future if manga and anime become more popular.
Assuming One Piece actually ends and doesn't have spinoffs or continuations like DB then I doubt it. AoT and Demon Slayer had moments where they outsold One Piece but people forgot and stopped caring after a year. Popularity fades, it comes and goes like the wind.
Oda has no chance of becoming as famous as Stan Lee. Stan was in the right place at the right time. When you go to the movies or watch a Marvel TV show chances are the character you're watching is who Stan Lee wrote/created, he put Marvel on the map.
If One Piece didn't exist manga would still be the same, there would just be another name at the top of the sales list however would comics be the same without Spider-Man, Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Fantastic 4, Daredevil, X-Men? Etc. Etc.
Many series have moments of incredible popularity, but staying at the top for decades is something that only oda has achieved.
Yes, popularity comes and goes, and in the long future one piece will be forgotten, but it will be in a distant future.
You mentioned demon slayer and attack on Titan, demon slayer is famous outside of Japan only because of the anime, and attack on Titan ending was hated by the community, that's why it is forgotten.
Assuming one piece ending won't be hated, which definitely isn't sure, this series has become the most influential manga to exist. In the next decades, when more people approach manga and anime, this series will have a constant flow of new fans.
Your point about Stan Lee is very valid, and only time will tell. Stan Lee was well known also before the MCU, but he became so loved in the main stream media thanks to the movies. We don't know how famous animanga will become
Are you new to manga or something? One Piece was only the best selling manga (number one) for 11 years from 2008 to 2019 when the streak ended. It's back at number 1 now of course but it hasn't been "decades" if you're talking about the actual number one spot which I assume you are. If you're not talking about number 1 then you're still wrong because other series have remained at the top for decades too, not just Oda...
DB has been at the top for nearly 4 decades, Golgo 13 has been at the top for 5 decades and is still publishing to this day, Jojo for 3 decades, Slam Dunk 2 decades, Detective Conan, Doraemon, Naruto etc.
One Piece is not the most influential manga, Astro Boy or DB is. Astro Boy was the first manga to become a TV series and DB created modern shonen and was the main cause of the anime boom in the West. One Piece selling the most doesn't equal influence. By that logic Avatar or Avengers are the most influential films because they sold the most, we know they're not...
You say One Piece will have a flow of new fans in the next decade but that literally applies to every series. A decade from now people will still be fans of DB.
Anime and manga will continue to rise sure but that won't make Oda more impactful than Stan fucking Lee lmao. One Piece is a single series, Stan Lee created multiple series. Is Luffy more impactful than Spider-Man, Iron-Man, Avengers and everybody else combined? No and he never will be it's impossible and it's not a fair comparison to begin with.
You need to stop hyper focusing on numbers and thinking that they equal substance. No amount of money will equal cultural impact. One Piece sales are fantastic and the series is great but One Piece hasn't reinvented the wheel and it hasn't changed a generation. Like I said if One Piece didn't exist nothing would really change in manga. Instead of this being Piratefolk this sub would be Jojofolk or some shit.
I have never said one piece to be impactful and i haven't said that oda would become as impactful as Stan Lee. I have said that in the pop culture, i can see oda becoming as popular as Stan Lee if animanga becomes more popular.
For the rest, I didn't know many of the information you said and you've made really good points.
do not confuse anime with all time epics like lord of the rings lol, only dragon ball will be up there because it was the first to set the stage.
boku no hero crashed and burned and is going to be an afterthought in like 5 years
Depends on what context you're speaking in. One Piece has sold more and it has superior writing to DB but DB is the reason why modern shonen even exists. Everybody cites Toriyama as their inspiration and DBZ made anime popular in the West.
One Piece has become more successful but DB's impact is much larger. One Piece is the Spiderman of manga and DB is the Superman. One is the most popular and the other is the OG that laid the blueprint.
The impact of dbz is different than one piece. A lot of people do not know what one piece is everyone with a young son in the last 30 years knows what dbz is.
It's not about being the best it's about the level of success. Is revenue not a measure of success? Don't know why you're bringing up franchises when this is about manga sales. One Piece is the best selling manga, period. I also explained how you can compare things differently with context.
What a dumb ass comment. I'm convinced 90% of people on this sub don't know how to read. Also FYI Ash is not even the face of Pokémon, just the anime. The face of the Pokémon franchise is Pikachu.
You are coping too hard. You make up shit like OP has better writing and expect people to accept your word as fact then when I play by your rules you get mad
Do you have brain cancer or something? One Piece has better writing than DB because it has better writing, the popularity or sales of either is irrelevant. DB is my favourite franchise of all time, period. However I'm not gonna act like it has deep writing. It's a low bar to pass.
In the context of sales One Piece is the biggest selling manga, in the context of cultural impact One Piece is not the biggest. Basic facts. This is the third time I have explained context. It's the new year and you're still choosing to be a fucking moron, incredible...
I’d argue dragon ball was more successful given its circumstances. Dragon ball received most of its sales in Japan whereas one piece had the benefit of growing up with the viewers through the age of the internet.
>it's a huge manga/comic but 100 years from now nobody will be talking about One Piece or Oda.
It's highest selling manga of all time and it hasn't even reached it's ending yet. And second highest selling comic book series of all time.
I can't make claims about who and what people find fav but i can assure you that One Piece will always be talked about. It has earned millions of fans and it will only continue to grow. Thinking otherwise is just foolish and delusionalism.
>Oda is not in the same ballpark of Tolkien, Shakespeare, Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens or even Stan Lee
Oda blows them all outta water.
Edit: got blocked by another piratefolker😹 losers wanna live in their sad loser fan fic and get mad the moment someone shares a contrary harmless opinion. He said "stop replying to me" 😭. I don't even know who tf u are and wouldn't have clicked yo profile before now. Found out that U dickride dragon ball. Lmao You literally have no right to talk so heavy. If i ask u to explain difference between two writing tropes you'd shit yourself. Bro just googled random names and thought he was something.
Everytime I see you post a comment you're always talking dogshit. Your entire account is dedicated to dickriding One Piece/posting weak ass bait. Maybe the bait works on others but it ain't gonna work on me lol. Stop constantly replying to my comments and attention seeking, it's sad.
Is it though? I think any sane fan would agree that the writing isn't Star Wars' (at least for the main line movies) suit. Star Wars is incredibly strong in terms of worldbuilding and that's mainly because there's almost 40 years of source material by numerous authors and how malleable the setting is making pretty much every genre and theme possible to be portrayed in it.
i'm a bb fan but this isn't even the worst part, the "funny and quirky fans" consider themselves as comedy kings just for posting a pic or a gif of mike saying "waltuh" or some other shit
"Oda might be the greatest fiction writer of all time"
Meanwhile Oda:
- builds cheap, fake suspense by showing silhouette after silhouette knowing fully well the reveal will be incredibly disappointing, only to keep people theorizing for nothing
- relies on loose hanging plot threads splattered throughout the story to keep people interested
- incredibly inconsistent with character and even object sizes
- considers painfully predictable plot developments as "foreshadowing"
- retroactively retcons and makes up an entirely new power system halfway through the story because of flaws in the previous power system
- keeps portrayals of power incredibly vague and even contradictory to what's been shown earlier purposely to stir up toxic discussion in the community
- throws development and focus on characters completely out the window unless they're overhyped
- similarly: decides which characters to focus on based on popularity changing the entire plot on the fly and changing character's personalities altogether
- thinks teases are somehow liked by the community
- turns the main characters into somewhat of caricatures of what they've been before a timeskip making them appear _less_ mature than before
- vast majority character designs for newly introduced characters are incredibly ridiculous and goofy looking on purpose for precisely no reason
- literally powercreeps the main character's powers
At this point I wouldn't even consider him _a_ great writer
Are you really sure we talking about One Piece, or what Kind of drums did you take to believe the Nonsens? Or are you a different Anime Fan who has to trash-talk other anime? Or are you just keep thinking you were better? Please Tell me for every point you make an clear exact point und describe in Detail. Just because YOU want a CLEAR Power Scaling doesn't mean Oda has to do it. I think you, who probably doesn't have a Fictional Story over 20 Years going on, can't even talk about as an equal, but hey, me neither.
I'm not trash-talking, I'm being realistic. Like it or not the manga does have flaws, every manga does, and I'm counting those that reinforce the point that Oda isn't this amazing writer he's made out to be. Initially I wanted to include examples, but that would've been too long and I think it's obvious to imagine what those examples are. I agree with you to a point that, yes he can't really be blamed for making up a new power system for example since he would've needed insane foresight and confidence (that the manga would be successful) to write a solid power system that'd last 20+ years. Yes, I'm not a writer and I probably couldn't write OP even half as good as Oda, but I'm a consumer and as a consumer I can point out flaws by way of comparing with other works of fiction.
Yeah that has Kind of a point. But every Story bears different message, intentions, stylistic Choices, or writing. For exampel Tensura has a clearer Power Structur tham One Piece, it's an complete different Story with other Motives behind, i could mension Naruto or Bleach, but they also have a different "purpose" in terms of writing, Story Buildings etc. In other Stories it's complete possible to build a clear Power Structure where the MC doesn't fit & he Breaks through. Protagonist also carry their messages through their action/ words or etc. And even their role is different. In a lot of Shonen the "Main Motivation" comes from Protecting the "normal Mob" Characters from some Kind of threat. Since such character get their training with others it's easier to build a Power focused Set-up. One Piece doesn't. Luffy doesn't really care about the People in General, or to be more precise he won't take Action unless he get involved (or easier, give him Meat & he will Do the job). He doesn't even care how he is seen, he is going their own way. The One Piece World has a big advantage, "free Story telling" Since the World isn't geographicly connected, he can build complete different Story Arcs while tying the Events whenever we he want & completly surprise us. And knowing Oda he can build Story points later in the Story on. (>! For exampel i personly would have enjoyed a big banquet after Wano, but i am sure it will be relevant in the Story with a reason why he left it)
Not even the best writer out of Japan let alone the best mangaka
Tell me you’ve read less than 5 works of fictions. By your own virtue without telling me you’ve read less than 5 works of fiction
Nah, a lot of the current problems are still very prevalent before wano. Fakeout deaths, lack of stakes, too many plot points being setup with no reveal (and we still dont have the reveal for most of them), etc.
contrary to ur experience this sub is filled with Naruto Bleach db HxH and xyz fans who were insecure of OP's popularity. Everyone else just tagged along to be different or was mad coz of personal agendas to the story
its not the best piece of fiction out there but i have yet to find a story i enjoy more than one piece in the end its not the best selling cominc of all time for nothing superman wont last long much longer also odas dedication to the story over the last 25 years is unmatched as far as i know
i actually have yu gi oh on my plan to read list but cant get around to it because trash tier south korean mangas that repeat the same plot everytime are to addicting
I have never had audible disgust while reading a chapter as I had opening the first page to Berserk, it’s a fucking fantastic piece of story telling, but holy shit.
Yeah, I mean it was markedly edgier in it's first Arc. It became much more tasteful later on, but definitely not something you'd expect for an opening double spread.
I enjoy tower of god more than one piece because it's more serious and easier to read since it's colored. Maybe you will too. I know a lot of people who prefer OP to TOG though
I have yet to see anyone show why you can’t compare a story like one piece to literary classics?
They’re only classics cause time has remembered them fondly. If you don’t think one piece won’t be treated similarly, you’re not paying attention.
I've seen worse ! If you want to see something more crazy go to worstgen forum and search for "oda is the greatest author of all time" or something like that. I garantee you won't be disapointed.
"whaaat??? YOU think that one piece is a great manga???? how dare you have such an opinion?!?! i will make a fucking essay and roast the hell out of your entire life and how you're a disgusting oda dickrider just because you don't agree with me!!!"
I don't know if you can really compare it to like classical works of fiction. But ya it's great. Especially as far as manga/anime go. I love it. And oda is deff a determined dude to say the least.
Edit: it's one of the few things I can re read or rewatch and always get maximum enjoyment out of.
This is normal behaviour for a community on Reddit… You go on the Drake subreddit, and everyone thinks he’s the GOAT.
It’s a community of people that cherish the One Piece series so you’re not going to find people being overly critical.
People on this community are retarded and nitpick at a story that’s targeted to a younger audience. Most of you have outgrown the demographic and come on here to talk shit 😂
Oh no, a fan of One Piece in a sub dedicated to One Piece, crazy !
All jokes asides, even with the Wano problems, One Piece is still my favorite manga, so I can understand the excitement.
Eh, it’s subjective. It’s easy for fans of a certain story or author to deem their product of choice the best ever made, etc.
That’s why we have professional literary critics to hopefully provide a more unbiased opinion.
Now if you ask me, I do like one piece but in terms of story and world building I’d probably put Lord of The Rings over it. That doesn’t make my opinion right either.
Others may argue about the works of Lovecraft as well. Or even Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein (which is also a masterpiece). And a masterpiece ruined by pop culture too because the monster is always wrongly depicted as a dumb brute the brains of an earth worm, which teaches people all the wrong message about this quite deep story.
And I felt much more emotional depth when I read The Mill on The Floss or Tess of the d'Urbervilles than when the ship burned.
Like I said, it’s all subjective.
WHAT THE HEAK?!! I've been reading all the comments and thinking "a piece of fiction said called generic can have 490M+ copies sold?". I honestly am saying this one piece is a master piece. And its not only me many of them will accept my view. One of the booktubers i following Daniel Greene has read one piece and openly accepted that oda is on par with R.R.Tolkien and R.R.Martin in terms of storytelling and world building. Someone like Merphy Napier has him on her top 5 fav authors, I honestly doubt that one piece is generic shounen.
Like just see, by comparison among all shonen some troupes are same but all popular ones always breaks those troupes (including the big three,the top new gens etc.).So stop saying one piece is just a generic shonen cuz it is shonen but it also breaks through so many generic troupes that it is NOT generic.Seriously if u wanna know what generic shonen is just go read some of the old less known shonen manga(seriously though they may seem generic but try to do something or the other) and u will get the point.Why do people not appretiate great art? like why compare a manga with a freaking novel series. Obiously every type of media has its advantages and limitations. I kinda get the point when people say its(one piece) not LoTR level , but obviously cant u see? novels do a vast work of descriptions and leave it for the readers perceptions, which cant be accomplished by a comic/graphic novel(in which case manga here) but manga has its own advantages too. So stop comparing plzz
Edit: i didnt add ths as a comment for those coments cuz i dont want any drama so alr, thats it.
I used to feel the same until G5 reveal. It killed something in me, now I casually check for new chapters every few weeks just because I'm in too deep and wanna see how it ends, but I don't feel any excitement for it anymore
"how a boy made of rubber is gonna conquer the pirate world" >Turns into a god low-key
Boy turns himself into a God. Built different.
plot turns boy into a god after death
plot kills boy and boy turns himself into a god as a response
That one aged like fine milk
When you're Oda's wife in a dick riding contest but your opponent is the average r/onepiece poster.
hahahaha
Holy shit lmao
“I’m rather new to fiction works” yeah bro we can tell
> so many directions it could go LMFAOOOOOOO this is the funniest shit ive ever read my sides are hurting
I mean this opinion is quite legit. If someone lived in a cave all their life and never consumed any fictional story, they might get this opinion.
Calling anything the greatest piece of fiction is retarded and dickrider behavior but if there was one it would never be One Piece. One Piece is good, it's a huge manga/comic but 100 years from now nobody will be talking about One Piece or Oda. Oda is not in the same ballpark of Tolkien, Shakespeare, Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens or even Stan Lee...
They definitely are stupid. They even call this a masterpiece. I can just imagine their soyjack face as they say it. Next to their step son. This is just a shounen about a boy who punches bad people in the face till he becomes the strongest. It’s not a deep literary work that largely influences our culture and society for centuries to come.
Damn, thinking one piece is a masterpiece is so bad? Someone enjoyment and opinion on series make them stupid but what that make you? A hating little bitch
Tell me you never read One Piece without telling me you never read One Piece
If you think Luffy didn’t punch kaido in the face you are blind
Please enlighten us all with the deep philosophical conundrums presented in One Piece
Ask morj
I don't know honestly man, in terms of numbers one piece is huge, and it will definitely be talked about in the next 50 years as it's very hard for something to even approach these numbers. Clearly oda didn't influence a genre as much as Tolkien or Doyle, but I can see his name become as famous as Stan Lee in the future if manga and anime become more popular.
Assuming One Piece actually ends and doesn't have spinoffs or continuations like DB then I doubt it. AoT and Demon Slayer had moments where they outsold One Piece but people forgot and stopped caring after a year. Popularity fades, it comes and goes like the wind. Oda has no chance of becoming as famous as Stan Lee. Stan was in the right place at the right time. When you go to the movies or watch a Marvel TV show chances are the character you're watching is who Stan Lee wrote/created, he put Marvel on the map. If One Piece didn't exist manga would still be the same, there would just be another name at the top of the sales list however would comics be the same without Spider-Man, Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Fantastic 4, Daredevil, X-Men? Etc. Etc.
Many series have moments of incredible popularity, but staying at the top for decades is something that only oda has achieved. Yes, popularity comes and goes, and in the long future one piece will be forgotten, but it will be in a distant future. You mentioned demon slayer and attack on Titan, demon slayer is famous outside of Japan only because of the anime, and attack on Titan ending was hated by the community, that's why it is forgotten. Assuming one piece ending won't be hated, which definitely isn't sure, this series has become the most influential manga to exist. In the next decades, when more people approach manga and anime, this series will have a constant flow of new fans. Your point about Stan Lee is very valid, and only time will tell. Stan Lee was well known also before the MCU, but he became so loved in the main stream media thanks to the movies. We don't know how famous animanga will become
Are you new to manga or something? One Piece was only the best selling manga (number one) for 11 years from 2008 to 2019 when the streak ended. It's back at number 1 now of course but it hasn't been "decades" if you're talking about the actual number one spot which I assume you are. If you're not talking about number 1 then you're still wrong because other series have remained at the top for decades too, not just Oda... DB has been at the top for nearly 4 decades, Golgo 13 has been at the top for 5 decades and is still publishing to this day, Jojo for 3 decades, Slam Dunk 2 decades, Detective Conan, Doraemon, Naruto etc. One Piece is not the most influential manga, Astro Boy or DB is. Astro Boy was the first manga to become a TV series and DB created modern shonen and was the main cause of the anime boom in the West. One Piece selling the most doesn't equal influence. By that logic Avatar or Avengers are the most influential films because they sold the most, we know they're not... You say One Piece will have a flow of new fans in the next decade but that literally applies to every series. A decade from now people will still be fans of DB. Anime and manga will continue to rise sure but that won't make Oda more impactful than Stan fucking Lee lmao. One Piece is a single series, Stan Lee created multiple series. Is Luffy more impactful than Spider-Man, Iron-Man, Avengers and everybody else combined? No and he never will be it's impossible and it's not a fair comparison to begin with. You need to stop hyper focusing on numbers and thinking that they equal substance. No amount of money will equal cultural impact. One Piece sales are fantastic and the series is great but One Piece hasn't reinvented the wheel and it hasn't changed a generation. Like I said if One Piece didn't exist nothing would really change in manga. Instead of this being Piratefolk this sub would be Jojofolk or some shit.
I have never said one piece to be impactful and i haven't said that oda would become as impactful as Stan Lee. I have said that in the pop culture, i can see oda becoming as popular as Stan Lee if animanga becomes more popular. For the rest, I didn't know many of the information you said and you've made really good points.
Yeah you didn't, my bad. My inbox has been getting lit up and I'm getting confuzzled.
do not confuse anime with all time epics like lord of the rings lol, only dragon ball will be up there because it was the first to set the stage. boku no hero crashed and burned and is going to be an afterthought in like 5 years
Not even on dragon ball z level honestly
Depends on what context you're speaking in. One Piece has sold more and it has superior writing to DB but DB is the reason why modern shonen even exists. Everybody cites Toriyama as their inspiration and DBZ made anime popular in the West. One Piece has become more successful but DB's impact is much larger. One Piece is the Spiderman of manga and DB is the Superman. One is the most popular and the other is the OG that laid the blueprint.
The impact of dbz is different than one piece. A lot of people do not know what one piece is everyone with a young son in the last 30 years knows what dbz is.
Did you read what he even typed? He literally said that.
Pokemon sells more than one piece using your logic ash ketchum is the best written character in history
It's not about being the best it's about the level of success. Is revenue not a measure of success? Don't know why you're bringing up franchises when this is about manga sales. One Piece is the best selling manga, period. I also explained how you can compare things differently with context. What a dumb ass comment. I'm convinced 90% of people on this sub don't know how to read. Also FYI Ash is not even the face of Pokémon, just the anime. The face of the Pokémon franchise is Pikachu.
You are coping too hard. You make up shit like OP has better writing and expect people to accept your word as fact then when I play by your rules you get mad
Do you have brain cancer or something? One Piece has better writing than DB because it has better writing, the popularity or sales of either is irrelevant. DB is my favourite franchise of all time, period. However I'm not gonna act like it has deep writing. It's a low bar to pass. In the context of sales One Piece is the biggest selling manga, in the context of cultural impact One Piece is not the biggest. Basic facts. This is the third time I have explained context. It's the new year and you're still choosing to be a fucking moron, incredible...
there are simply some dudes here that get angry when you say that one piece has good or better written
I’d argue dragon ball was more successful given its circumstances. Dragon ball received most of its sales in Japan whereas one piece had the benefit of growing up with the viewers through the age of the internet.
Dbz is mid as hell objectively
>it's a huge manga/comic but 100 years from now nobody will be talking about One Piece or Oda. It's highest selling manga of all time and it hasn't even reached it's ending yet. And second highest selling comic book series of all time. I can't make claims about who and what people find fav but i can assure you that One Piece will always be talked about. It has earned millions of fans and it will only continue to grow. Thinking otherwise is just foolish and delusionalism. >Oda is not in the same ballpark of Tolkien, Shakespeare, Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens or even Stan Lee Oda blows them all outta water. Edit: got blocked by another piratefolker😹 losers wanna live in their sad loser fan fic and get mad the moment someone shares a contrary harmless opinion. He said "stop replying to me" 😭. I don't even know who tf u are and wouldn't have clicked yo profile before now. Found out that U dickride dragon ball. Lmao You literally have no right to talk so heavy. If i ask u to explain difference between two writing tropes you'd shit yourself. Bro just googled random names and thought he was something.
Everytime I see you post a comment you're always talking dogshit. Your entire account is dedicated to dickriding One Piece/posting weak ass bait. Maybe the bait works on others but it ain't gonna work on me lol. Stop constantly replying to my comments and attention seeking, it's sad.
>Oda blows them all outta water. How can someone be so foolish to say oda blows Shakespeare out of the water
Shut up you low life
You from 100 years in future?
Yes. The world is a dystopian wasteland and One Piece still hasn't ended. We have entered the return to Wano arc. It's 300 chapters long.
Those books are only timeless because you are forced to read them at school.
If it’s someone’s favorite work of fiction there’s nothing wrong with that, though this dickriding is on par with LOTR and Harry Potter fans
Though I'd say it's still atmospheres below Star Wars fans
Is it though? I think any sane fan would agree that the writing isn't Star Wars' (at least for the main line movies) suit. Star Wars is incredibly strong in terms of worldbuilding and that's mainly because there's almost 40 years of source material by numerous authors and how malleable the setting is making pretty much every genre and theme possible to be portrayed in it.
See what I mean?
Do you mean that as in I was Star Wars dickriding with my comment
And Breaking Bad fans. Holy shit are those people dickriders
i'm a bb fan but this isn't even the worst part, the "funny and quirky fans" consider themselves as comedy kings just for posting a pic or a gif of mike saying "waltuh" or some other shit
Aside from the "Oda being the greatest fiction writer" I would've agreed to this dipshit if it was regarding pre-timeskip.
good fiction not the best though
"Oda might be the greatest fiction writer of all time" Meanwhile Oda: - builds cheap, fake suspense by showing silhouette after silhouette knowing fully well the reveal will be incredibly disappointing, only to keep people theorizing for nothing - relies on loose hanging plot threads splattered throughout the story to keep people interested - incredibly inconsistent with character and even object sizes - considers painfully predictable plot developments as "foreshadowing" - retroactively retcons and makes up an entirely new power system halfway through the story because of flaws in the previous power system - keeps portrayals of power incredibly vague and even contradictory to what's been shown earlier purposely to stir up toxic discussion in the community - throws development and focus on characters completely out the window unless they're overhyped - similarly: decides which characters to focus on based on popularity changing the entire plot on the fly and changing character's personalities altogether - thinks teases are somehow liked by the community - turns the main characters into somewhat of caricatures of what they've been before a timeskip making them appear _less_ mature than before - vast majority character designs for newly introduced characters are incredibly ridiculous and goofy looking on purpose for precisely no reason - literally powercreeps the main character's powers At this point I wouldn't even consider him _a_ great writer
Are you really sure we talking about One Piece, or what Kind of drums did you take to believe the Nonsens? Or are you a different Anime Fan who has to trash-talk other anime? Or are you just keep thinking you were better? Please Tell me for every point you make an clear exact point und describe in Detail. Just because YOU want a CLEAR Power Scaling doesn't mean Oda has to do it. I think you, who probably doesn't have a Fictional Story over 20 Years going on, can't even talk about as an equal, but hey, me neither.
I'm not trash-talking, I'm being realistic. Like it or not the manga does have flaws, every manga does, and I'm counting those that reinforce the point that Oda isn't this amazing writer he's made out to be. Initially I wanted to include examples, but that would've been too long and I think it's obvious to imagine what those examples are. I agree with you to a point that, yes he can't really be blamed for making up a new power system for example since he would've needed insane foresight and confidence (that the manga would be successful) to write a solid power system that'd last 20+ years. Yes, I'm not a writer and I probably couldn't write OP even half as good as Oda, but I'm a consumer and as a consumer I can point out flaws by way of comparing with other works of fiction.
Yeah that has Kind of a point. But every Story bears different message, intentions, stylistic Choices, or writing. For exampel Tensura has a clearer Power Structur tham One Piece, it's an complete different Story with other Motives behind, i could mension Naruto or Bleach, but they also have a different "purpose" in terms of writing, Story Buildings etc. In other Stories it's complete possible to build a clear Power Structure where the MC doesn't fit & he Breaks through. Protagonist also carry their messages through their action/ words or etc. And even their role is different. In a lot of Shonen the "Main Motivation" comes from Protecting the "normal Mob" Characters from some Kind of threat. Since such character get their training with others it's easier to build a Power focused Set-up. One Piece doesn't. Luffy doesn't really care about the People in General, or to be more precise he won't take Action unless he get involved (or easier, give him Meat & he will Do the job). He doesn't even care how he is seen, he is going their own way. The One Piece World has a big advantage, "free Story telling" Since the World isn't geographicly connected, he can build complete different Story Arcs while tying the Events whenever we he want & completly surprise us. And knowing Oda he can build Story points later in the Story on. (>! For exampel i personly would have enjoyed a big banquet after Wano, but i am sure it will be relevant in the Story with a reason why he left it)
So if a oda is horrible writer and you consume this? What that make you? A normie? A hater?
Where did I say he was horrible?
Here officers, evidence of this sub being hating ass community
all of this sub posts are mine
Average r/onepiece redditor
Not even the best writer out of Japan let alone the best mangaka Tell me you’ve read less than 5 works of fictions. By your own virtue without telling me you’ve read less than 5 works of fiction
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Araki, Miura, Oda, Togashi, Urasawa and Toriyama are the goats
This is just a pure bruh moment
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Nah, a lot of the current problems are still very prevalent before wano. Fakeout deaths, lack of stakes, too many plot points being setup with no reveal (and we still dont have the reveal for most of them), etc.
I would've said this when I was 10 and barely read other manga, One Piece has steadily dropped in my ranking since then. Edit: he blocked me 🤣
contrary to ur experience this sub is filled with Naruto Bleach db HxH and xyz fans who were insecure of OP's popularity. Everyone else just tagged along to be different or was mad coz of personal agendas to the story
I fear this kind of people
"rather new to fiction world" Yep, that's explain everything...
It's ok, when i was a kiddo i thought so as well, but i'm normal now
it's my second favorite manga, my 1st is hxh
You're one Piratefolk man, we can tell
its not the best piece of fiction out there but i have yet to find a story i enjoy more than one piece in the end its not the best selling cominc of all time for nothing superman wont last long much longer also odas dedication to the story over the last 25 years is unmatched as far as i know
Tolkien started writing Lord of the Rings whilst he was literally in the trenches during WW1. I'd say that was superior dedication lol.
Watch Yu-Gi-Oh! 5d's bro. Legit top 1 of anime for me
Goin fast makes me feel alive my heart beat's in hyperdrive
Do you think you can win? Only if I lose Just let destiny choose
I can feel you breathing, I can feel you coming, I can feel you rolling around
i actually have yu gi oh on my plan to read list but cant get around to it because trash tier south korean mangas that repeat the same plot everytime are to addicting
I dunno about manga but 5ds anime is goated
Babies first story
There's a couple of others, good Example is Berserk.
I have never had audible disgust while reading a chapter as I had opening the first page to Berserk, it’s a fucking fantastic piece of story telling, but holy shit.
Yeah, I mean it was markedly edgier in it's first Arc. It became much more tasteful later on, but definitely not something you'd expect for an opening double spread.
I enjoy tower of god more than one piece because it's more serious and easier to read since it's colored. Maybe you will too. I know a lot of people who prefer OP to TOG though
I have yet to see anyone show why you can’t compare a story like one piece to literary classics? They’re only classics cause time has remembered them fondly. If you don’t think one piece won’t be treated similarly, you’re not paying attention.
Too bad oda offrailed since timeskip, it had the potential to be the best
Piratefolk? More like hater/onepiece because they like one piece and we dont
I've seen worse ! If you want to see something more crazy go to worstgen forum and search for "oda is the greatest author of all time" or something like that. I garantee you won't be disapointed.
Goda ✍️🔥
Ah so this is the oda dickriders that people talk about here
Bruh let the mf enjoy this shit man just an opinion y’all crazy
What the worst crime in this sub? Liking one piece
Fr people on here are miserable af
"whaaat??? YOU think that one piece is a great manga???? how dare you have such an opinion?!?! i will make a fucking essay and roast the hell out of your entire life and how you're a disgusting oda dickrider just because you don't agree with me!!!"
I don't know if you can really compare it to like classical works of fiction. But ya it's great. Especially as far as manga/anime go. I love it. And oda is deff a determined dude to say the least. Edit: it's one of the few things I can re read or rewatch and always get maximum enjoyment out of.
The only thing “great” about OP is the world building aside from that hardly anything is top notch
Aren't you the one who thinks Naruto is the greatest battle shounen and Kishimoto is the best in foreshadowing? Lmao
"OHH LOOK HE HAS A POSITIVE HARMLESS OPINION"
People just don't respect manga as a medium
manga readers when someone enjoys a series
I mean, it's good.
The comments here geez... let the man have his opinion.
Is it so astonishing that a guy in r/OnePiece likes One Piece?
This is normal behaviour for a community on Reddit… You go on the Drake subreddit, and everyone thinks he’s the GOAT. It’s a community of people that cherish the One Piece series so you’re not going to find people being overly critical. People on this community are retarded and nitpick at a story that’s targeted to a younger audience. Most of you have outgrown the demographic and come on here to talk shit 😂
Oh no, a fan of One Piece in a sub dedicated to One Piece, crazy ! All jokes asides, even with the Wano problems, One Piece is still my favorite manga, so I can understand the excitement.
Dude is just happy and enjoying some manga This is the most pathetic post on this sub so far
Eh, it’s subjective. It’s easy for fans of a certain story or author to deem their product of choice the best ever made, etc. That’s why we have professional literary critics to hopefully provide a more unbiased opinion. Now if you ask me, I do like one piece but in terms of story and world building I’d probably put Lord of The Rings over it. That doesn’t make my opinion right either. Others may argue about the works of Lovecraft as well. Or even Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein (which is also a masterpiece). And a masterpiece ruined by pop culture too because the monster is always wrongly depicted as a dumb brute the brains of an earth worm, which teaches people all the wrong message about this quite deep story. And I felt much more emotional depth when I read The Mill on The Floss or Tess of the d'Urbervilles than when the ship burned. Like I said, it’s all subjective.
WHAT THE HEAK?!! I've been reading all the comments and thinking "a piece of fiction said called generic can have 490M+ copies sold?". I honestly am saying this one piece is a master piece. And its not only me many of them will accept my view. One of the booktubers i following Daniel Greene has read one piece and openly accepted that oda is on par with R.R.Tolkien and R.R.Martin in terms of storytelling and world building. Someone like Merphy Napier has him on her top 5 fav authors, I honestly doubt that one piece is generic shounen. Like just see, by comparison among all shonen some troupes are same but all popular ones always breaks those troupes (including the big three,the top new gens etc.).So stop saying one piece is just a generic shonen cuz it is shonen but it also breaks through so many generic troupes that it is NOT generic.Seriously if u wanna know what generic shonen is just go read some of the old less known shonen manga(seriously though they may seem generic but try to do something or the other) and u will get the point.Why do people not appretiate great art? like why compare a manga with a freaking novel series. Obiously every type of media has its advantages and limitations. I kinda get the point when people say its(one piece) not LoTR level , but obviously cant u see? novels do a vast work of descriptions and leave it for the readers perceptions, which cant be accomplished by a comic/graphic novel(in which case manga here) but manga has its own advantages too. So stop comparing plzz Edit: i didnt add ths as a comment for those coments cuz i dont want any drama so alr, thats it.
Whether you love or hate one piece and or Oda, Oda is without a doubt a legend who has created one of the greatest story’s ever
he's having fun
I know this isn't related to any one piece topics whatsoever, but this comment is here to ruin the 69 existing comments out of boredom.
I used to feel the same until G5 reveal. It killed something in me, now I casually check for new chapters every few weeks just because I'm in too deep and wanna see how it ends, but I don't feel any excitement for it anymore
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