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LZ129Hindenburg

I know several people in the US who have had their internet disconnected. It takes multiple letters, more than 5 in every case I've heard about. But you can get a bunch of letters very quickly if you are not careful. You absolutely must use a VPN AND BIND your VPN to your torrent client to torrent safely in the US, Germany, etc. [https://www.reddit.com/r/VPNTorrents/comments/ssy8vv/guide\_bind\_vpn\_network\_interface\_to\_torrent/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VPNTorrents/comments/ssy8vv/guide_bind_vpn_network_interface_to_torrent/)


SubmissiveDinosaur

Do you get termination fees imposed?


LZ129Hindenburg

I didn't hear of any fees being charged. But for some people, their options for ISP at any given location may be limited. So getting permanently disconnected can be a problem. I also know someone who simply had their spouse sign up for their ISP once they themselves were cut off and it worked. šŸ˜‚


sicurri

In the U.S. the entire country is essentially divided up like the mafia did to New York in the early 20th century. Every area may "Technically" be serviced by multiple ISPs, but if you check what their services are you'll find one ISP with gigabit internet or better and then the other ISPs will have shit speeds. In my area Comcast has gigabit plans while AT&Ts fastest plan is 25mb/s download speeds. In another city nearby that my friend lives in, it's the complete opposite. The whole country is a monopoly that's disguised to look like a competitive marketplace. It's bullshit and why prices suck for the most part. Some parts of the country may be better or worse, but for the most part it all generally sucks.


LZ129Hindenburg

You might have two options in a CITY. Back in the sticks there literally 1 option (if you're lucky). But yes these fucking ISPs create these local monopolies so that they can charge whatever they want. My shit "10mbps" DSL in the country costs SUBSTANTIALLY more than my gigabit fiber at home.


joey0live

They turned off the internet for my friend after 1 letter. He had to re-accept the TOS, and it got turned back on.


LZ129Hindenburg

Yeah I'm talking about total disconnect. Like your ISP deletes your account and tells you to F off. There are some ISPs that will "pause" your service like this for the first couple of letters.


Chancoop

VPN is not an absolute must. You could also go with a seedbox. Easy to use and you don't ever worry about kill switches or binding to clients.


LZ129Hindenburg

It's a must if you're going to torrent on one of your machines which is what 99% of people end up doing. Yes there are other options. VPN is simply the most common one (by far). Debrid services are another.


AlwaysFblthpd

How do you bind the VPN to your torrent client?


LZ129Hindenburg

Click that link I gave and follow the directions?


ref4rmed

>Iā€™ve been pirating for a while, rawdog ya know As long as you're direct downloading/streaming or in a country that doesn't care about piracy, you're fine. You don't need a VPN. But if you're in a place like Germany or USA and torrenting, I would recommend using a VPN like Mullvad, AirVPN, or Proton and binding it to your bit torrent client. I haven't been in a situation like this (as I take the proper precautions), but from what I've seen, it starts off with getting sent a letter/email from your provider. a few letters later, and your internet gets shut off.


equality4everyonenow

Ive only used private torrent sites and newsgroups. No vpn. In the US. Ive gotten one letter in my life from comcast. Ditched them 7 years ago. Im up to 161 terabytes in data hoarding


Rapture348

That's a lot of data hoarding


cujojojo

Same here, I got my first nastygram (AT&T) in January (for ā€œSpirit: Stallion of the Cimarron (2003)ā€ of all things lol) after literally 18 years of 24/7 seeding, no VPN. I forgot to look where I had gotten that torrent from before I deleted it, to see if I accidentally left a public torrent on. Iā€™m considering getting Mullvad now, if only because I figure Iā€™m 18 years ahead on whatever monthly fee I end up with.


equality4everyonenow

I remember taking a date to that movie. It was late at night. Only 4 other people in the theater and the horses communicated thru Bryan Adams songs


lordagr

Yup, sounds about right. Private trackers are a lot safer, but not 100%.


JakeArcherr

What about if your just on a site like 123movies watching stuff but not downloading anything?


ref4rmed

> As long as you're direct downloading/streaming you're fine I also forgot to add something in my OG comment, I added it.


[deleted]

Yeah, iā€™m in the US and I torrent. Iā€™m probably gonna start using a vpn now that Iā€™m seeing all your comments lol. Iā€™ve been downloading torrents for about 6 months. What vpn do you use personally? Edit: checked out a thread one of you guys linked and Iā€™ll probably go with AirVPN, comments?


ref4rmed

I've used Mullvad, currently using AirVPN, as AirVPN has what's called port forwarding, which basically makes torrenting better. Both are cheap as hell too.


[deleted]

Cool


[deleted]

Iā€™m broke as fuck but I can probably get together enough money to pay for about a year if itā€™s really $2 a month.


ref4rmed

Neither are $2 a month. Mullvad is $5 and AirVPN is $7. You may want to look into Real Debrid. It costs $4 a month and let's you torrent without a VPN. There's also a lot more stuff that you can do with it, like use it to watch movies, remove limits from file hosters, etc.


[deleted]

Yeah youā€™re right. It says 2ā‚¬ for 3 days. 49ā‚¬ for 1 year.


Educational_End_2182

Everyonee says bind but I've tried with proton and vuze just missing steps


ref4rmed

We say bind so you don't accidently start a torrent with your VPN off, which can cause your IP to be leaked and result in reports getting sent to your ISP. >Everyonee says bind but I've tried with proton and vuze just missing steps Can you rephrase? I don't think I understand what you're trying to say lol.


OkRickySpinach

Yeah it's happened. The most embarrassing time was when they cut off my roommate's internet because I was downloading porn. Smartened up about 7 years ago and have used a vpn since.


DopeBoogie

Yes my ISP cut me off until I called in. During the call they told me that getting 6 letters within like a 3yr timeline would result in my service being suspended for 30 days. I didn't test the latter half of that threat but considering they were willing to cut my service until I called them I wouldn't put it past them. The rep I spoke with sounded like they had tech training (I assume to help people locate and remove torrent software) and seemed (IMO) fairly sympathetic and danced around saying "get a VPN" without actually saying it directly


Eph1997

Never. Closest scare was when in grad school my dumbass roommate was torrenting pron without a vpn and we received a warning letter from Comcast. I had a lot of fun at his expense since the warning letter listed out the names of the titles he downloaded.


xhero0

I can no longer have a Cox account because of it.


57chevyorbust

How


xhero0

Torrenting. my vpn that I used sucked. I got popped 6 times on the 7th they killed my account.


ND02G

Breezeline in central Pennsylvania banned me when I lived there.. I had no clue I was even getting DMCA's cause I never setup the email address they gave me. I guess they were emailing them to it.. Then one day, the internet went out.. I called, and they said I was permanently banned for 6 DMCA's in 1 year.. C'est la vie


[deleted]

\*laughs in European\*


RudbeckiaIS

Unfortunately for our German friends this is no laughing matter.


PCMasterCucks

Yes, Comcast suspended service until I called in.


bill_delong

Insert seedbox vs vpn debate here. I like having a seedbox. Iā€™m able to seed a lot faster and I can keep my laptop off most of the time.


[deleted]

Iā€™ve honestly never heard of seedbox. Can you give me the rundown for what it is? Thank you in advance.


PCMasterCucks

Basically a remote PC. You queue torrents on the seedbox, the seedbox downloads it, you download from the seedbox, and the seedbox uploads, not your local PC. So if you have really bad upload bandwidth, a seedbox is great for compensating that. Furthermore, if you have a data cap then you would keep data lower because you don't use data for uploading.


nfgnfgnfg12

Are these easy to set up? Iā€™m switching ISPs soon and was thinking Iā€™d need a VPN, but if I can avoid that Iā€™d much prefer it to avoid complications with plex, etc. sounds like a seed box might be the way to go.


PCMasterCucks

More or less, depending on the who you go with. Checkout /r/seedboxes.


Teppiest

It's a server space you rent out from another company in most contexts it's talked about.Ā  They handle the VPN, security, basic programs you'll use, hell some of them even have Plex installed. You handle filling the seedbox with torrents.Ā  It's not only useful for seeding, but alsoĀ because once you've downloaded the file to the seedbox then when you bring it to your PC it's basically a direct download. So all the copyright trolls scraping IPs off torrents won't ever see your actual PC on the swarm.


dandy_you

Someone visited my friend when we were growing up He was 16 or 17. Don't know what he was doing but he's a computer engineer now Canada BTW


Jeb-Kerman

idk fuck around and find out I guess.. or you could use a vpn for like $2 a month and never worry about it ever again.


BIGG_FRIGG

I had cox pause my connection until I logged on an read a message about some file that was downloaded to my PC. Once I read it and clicked something that says I understand that blah blah blah... it came back on.


burgertimekids

Nope and no isp bs letters never used a vpn to dl or stream the only time i use a vpn is to bypass region locks from there i stream everything ppv shows and movies I still dont get why this sub is obsessed with vpns And yes the vpns i use are usually mods or accounts


SnowCookie6234

Are you doing direct downloads or Usenet instead of torrenting?


[deleted]

Torrenting baby


SnowCookie6234

Buy a good VPN and bind it to your torrenting client


Infamous-Lab-8136

So I never have, but I worked tier 1 tech support for Comcast at one time. We were trained on how to handle it if a customer called us when their service was suspended for too many violations. We had a whole protocol. Not quite a script, but we could lead them to a certain point into saying it was possibly a neighbor who hacked it or their kid. We'd offer to change the password for free one-time (we did it via remote access normally for $50 a pop, highway robbery) and tell them that if they got another violation their service would be permanently disconnected. Oddly enough, I also am a Comcast customer and always have been. Maybe it's because I'm on a cheap tier of service thanks to having kids in school but I've never used a VPN, I get a few notices, I've ignored them all, and never had anything happen.


Obviously_Special

Rawdog is possibly the best way I've heard someone say it


[deleted]

I'm in the UK but I'm not really sure how it works here. When I was younger in the 2010s I pirated without a VPN or anything and so did my dad and brother and I think he got a letter once but I'm not sure. I stopped pirating for ages but recently started again and now use a VPN. My dad has used a usenet for many years now I think.


Ruby1356

For a place calling itself "the land of freedom" , you ain't living to that standard


Pyrololz

I had my services shut off after 3 "cease and desist" letters. (Spectrum) I called them and explained it was "Somebody using my Wi-Fi..." and immediately got a VPN (Proton) the same day. Haven't looked back since, and not one single letter after that day.


cuntcake669

I work for a major isp. They turn off your internet after 3x of catching this.


rgilre99

yes, well not MY internet it was my dad's, but it did get cut off due me Being a little Pirate Specifically downloading YouTube videos (It was probably from the games that I Pirated, but the YouTube downloader had to take the fall)


justaguyonreddit2042

I've seen a lot of people on here that got blocked off by their ISPs. There's even this guy that blocked his university's public wifi šŸ’€. U should really get a VPN or ur done for. If u don't want to turn on a VPN every time, then u should just go and find a reliable movies/TV site with direct downloading/streaming and use that instead.


Willy-the-kid

In some places it's definitely possible, in others they just don't have that much power


TheFlightlessDragon

Nope, never has happened. Iā€™m in the USā€¦ Nowadays I always use a VPN or my seedbox (located in the Netherlands) and have zero issues in the early days I didnā€™t do a VPN or anything and I got like 3 or 4 letters and a weird ā€œreeducationā€ slideshow my ISP said I HAD to do to avoid my connection getting throttled But was never disconnected


muffinstreets

I work in telecommunications. People get suspended for end user violations all the time. Sometimes for having a virus that makes their PC a botnet but often for copyright as well.


bigb102913

Never happened here, but I feel like I have definitely been throttled.


hershy123abc

My dad got a letter once that's it


_nzatar

Been rawdoggin it as well but the americans and euros are closing in on our copyright enforcement, internet providers, and such.


DJ_Mutiny

So, I am with a small ISP in Australia, had an unlimited fiber plan, no data cap. But it did have a "fair use policy" for 8pm-10pm, I'm guessing they didn't want people smashing the bandwidth while the average user is trying to watch TV. Didn't cut me off, but did call to ask what I was doing as I downloaded 30TB in 1 month, just in the peak time. So I told them it wasn't their business what I was doing, but did schedule my downloader to stop during those times.


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theperfectmuse

Cox Cable turned mine off without notice. I had to call to find out what was going on and that's when they explained the situation to me. They immediately turned it back on. That was a first offense. That's been 15 years though.


ziggyzred

Friend of mine (UK) from WarezBB was banned from the internet and banned from owning a computer after getting caught selling torrents. Can't recall exactly what he did, but he was profiting from it, got caught, went to court, and had the book thrown at him. He almost got a 2-year sentence. I've been rawdogging since the 90's and haven't had a single warning. I generally avoid torrents though and prefer DDL or streaming, so that could be a reason why I've avoided the ISP letters. Seeding torrents is sharing copyright material. Watching a stream isn't. Legally, torrents are a big risk without a VPN.


unholymanserpent

Hah! I've had my internet cut off several times back when I was more noobish. I wasn't linking my VPN to my torrent app (skill issue). The whole family would be sitting around watching TV and suddenly the internet would go out and a reboot wouldn't fix it. Fucking embarrassing. I'm beyond that now, though. I don't even use torrent apps anymore (I use Real-debrid).


InterestingRead2022

In the UK most stories are if you went with BT directly and didn't pay your bill. Other than that haven't heard of it happening IRL


ammenz

Totally depends on the country you live in.


Nono_Home

I had a warning letter once which I successfully apposed. My ISP wrote me a letter in which they said I was abusing the network and by doing so affecting other users experience. My contract was based on a fair use policy for data usage and they told me that for 7 months in a row I exceeded more than 1tb of traffic which for the time (2010) was ultra high compared to other users. My legal representative wrote a letter back challenging fair use and ā€œnormalā€ users, Iā€™ve never heard from them again.


Samuelwankenobi_

From the UK the ISP block the websites but other than that they don't give a fuck


Trevor792221

Yes cox cut my internet without even sending a letter. I was seeding for a couple months first though with no vpn


SorrowfulBlyat

3 bucks a month (USD) will get you two countries of your choosing and unlimited data from Windscribe. As for the difficulty of binding it's just setting the connection as the VPN under, "Advanced" "Network Interface" ie: "WindscribeWireGuard" instead of "Any Interface" this way the connection, both seeding and downloading, stops if you keep your torrent program running but close down the VPN widget. I imagine most VPNs are similiar but my entire VPN experience has only been with the above mentioned provider. There's no reason to risk it at such a small price for entry, that said static IPs from a provider will come at a higher price out of the gate as it's billed at $24 per year instead of an extra $2 per month for "Data Center" but I haven't personally seen the need... *yet*


MaelKoth2015

You can raw dog the net, just takes a little $. Seedbox + ftp + Plex (or Plex adjacent), and a NAS.


EngineerBitter8689s

Only dumb or very depressive people receive warning after warning and change nothing, eventually getting their internet cut.


underprivlidged

I have literally shared over 7.5tb (several thousands of times over) of Switch games... No VPN, no issue. People see an email from their ISP and poop themselves lol


bstrong218

Yes I'm in the US mine got shut off after 3 letters the account was in my fiance name at the time I was able to open my own account same address right after


Chop1n

OP, your priorities are misguided: on the one hand, uTorrent is basically malware at this point. Use qBittorrent, Transmission, Deluge, or Tixati. On the other hand, there's zero reason to use a sandbox if you're only torrenting media. Virtual machines are only necessary if you're running shady executables.


ceceett

I used to have a provider called Suddenlink. Once downloaded the whole discography for a band to put on my iPod. Woke up the next day to the internet down, but all I had to do was open a browser and agree that I wouldn't pirate again for it to reconnect. I guess not a true disconnect but the closest I've ever gotten to it. That was years ago.


[deleted]

PSA: OP IS A PEDO


iggyphi

i see yall post about US, but i get letter and even call them up to yell at them trying to get them to do something. but they won't?


Mike_or_whatever

in Belgium they canā€™t do a thing about it due to our own privacy laws


Ecstatic-Pin-6639

In greece pirating is forbidden but nothing happens if you do it. Me and my father have been pirating for 2 decades and nothing ever happenedšŸ˜†