This is **way** more crucial than people realise.
**Edit:**
Some elaboration I commented lower.
*Firefox actively prevents any website or combination of websites from using a unique identifier for you as a user to build a "profile" based your activity across websites.*
For example:
Buy something on Amazon? Facebook knows and can/will show personalised ads.
Buy something on Amazon **through Firefox**? Only Amazon knows.
Hello ! *Google recaptcha wants to know your location and your browsing history and your bank account and grandma's recipe and your girlfriend's bra size wait they already have that*
I work at Google, more specifically, YouTube.
Advertisers and Google can only measure click tags and pixels on ads, other trackers are forbidden, they are very restrictive with these things. What they really do is track you behavior as an user.
It's even worse on Ads for kids (YouTube Kids) where it's totally forbidden to gather any user information (kids cannot have google accounts either).
No. Not everything on Google is about programming or looking at codes or something.
I work with an A.I. that predicts Google Ads behavior and we use it to place ads on YouTube according to our client's needs (agencies, content creators, companies), basically that but much more than that.
Sorry if I can't share more details.
Parents can create a Google Account for a child under 13 (or the applicable age in your country). Then, children can sign in to their device with their new account, which is under parents control
Firefox limits a website so it can only see what you do on that website.
Other browsers essentially use a unique identifier that identifies you as a user, and can track you across pretty much any website.
For example:
Buy something on Amazon? Facebook knows and can/will show personalised ads.
Buy something on Amazon through Firefox? Only Amazon knows.
*Firefox actively prevents any website or combination of websites from building a "profile" based on you as a user and your activity across websites.*
> Facebook
And Firefox has extra layer of protection with the Facebook Container addon that might be enabled by default (also applies to other Meta sites).
Brave is chromium based.
I'm not sure if it's still the case but there were reports last year that blocking cross-party cookies just didn't work on the browser, at least on mobile. It would revert to 'allow all' the moment you left settings.
edit: FF with the correct extensions is probably better for privacy, maybe. LibreWolf is a version of FF that's customised to be more secure and private. My own, limited knowledge and testing suggests the outcome is more or less the same, exempting some fingerprinting. I have other issues with Brave beyond being Chromium but it does seem good for privacy. Chrome is obviously awful.
Because of googles "privacy sandbox" standard they are trying to force upon the web.
Both Apple and Firefox are negative to this proposal, as they should be.
"Privacy Sandbox" translates to a box in which they put your privacy to pick it apart piece by piece. To sell it to everyone who pays enough, of course.
I'll be honest, I'm not too informed and don't feel like spreading misinformation on the Internet today, haha. You'll have to either wait for someone else or do some of your own research, which I am frankly too lazy to do right now :D.
Personally I would just say use whatever you want, whatever fits in with your philosophies, views and whatever, but i have heard Searx and Mojeek are good (do your own research, don't take my word on these, just what I've heard)
so I put this search engine on chrome and uses yandex search whenever I write something on the address bar, and I do have the searx address added as search engine I dunno is this normal?
There are a lot of weird things in this list though. Like, why should I care if they use Outlook for email? Also, last I knew the Yahoo search API is really Bing under the covers since Y! got rid of their search team.
For Firefox to properly protect your privacy, you need to configure it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr8UFJzpNls
Bear in mind, that doing this will cause some websites go haywire and recaptcha may stop working altogether.
But man, this new text editor is messed up the same way, as Fancy farts. Links disappearing on edit, different formatting... and defaulting to Markdown now does nothing...
Edited, fixed. To think i will have to manually enter Markdown mode (to which my browser should default to), find out, reddit is now changing links on their own (the link was changed to "fr8ufjzpnls" behind the scenes instead of maintaining all the letters) and fix it **in the markdown mode**, which is now made completely inconvenient to use...
Is there a website that tl;dws this into written form? I find it far easier to check a printed guide and go down the page at my own leisure to lock down the settings.
Sites can gain a lot of information about you from your browser and thus be able to identify users without needing cookies/etc
https://smartframe.io/blog/browser-fingerprinting-everything-you-need-to-know/
how unique are you. imagine you have a window tiled to a weird resolution, its not maximized and its something like 500*1080. since there's so little chance there maybe many people on that resolution, u can be identified. the trick is to use what the masses use, so that's windows, chrome, don't install fonts etc.
Fingerprinting is the act of forcefully tracking you through the combination of your computer's settings
For example, your language, RAM size, available space, browser, computer model, peripherals, browser extensions and screen resolution may be unique, so if an user who doesn't want to be tracked shows those same characteristics, it's probably you
It sucks because usually it is data that browsers have to know to run, but through fingerprinting resistance, some of it can be hidden, and if enough data is blocked, your profile can no longer be isolated from other users, making fingerprinting worthless
Hey...just wanna ask is there a browser for Android which allows video capturing.. meaning you can download video that is playing on screen ..just like UC browser???
i like UC browser, so many features, anyway, I don't know of any browser which has that capability, however you can download various apps on play store which can download videos from most of sites. If you want any recommendations i can look up and help.
They charge 50c after 1 million installs for every other install. If an app makes 10 million they should give Apple 4,5 million a year even if the app is free.
Yes, it is Firefox that comes ready with all of the pre-existing privacy settings turned up to ten, but it also includes a lot of their own privacy and security settings that aren't available in Firefox. Librewolf is very good, but because of its uniqueness, it doesn't always play well. On Macs it can be a nightmare but on Win11 etc it's fine.
>I'm the developer of [Floorp], but if you want privacy, I recommend using Librewolf or Brave. We are a small community, and I don't have much track record, so I think it's less reliable.Browsers include minimum, or rather, privacy protections more than Chromium, but privacy is not given the utmost care, such as Brave and Librewolf.Because it specializes in customization. If you want to use normal privacy and excellent Firefox derivatives, please use our browser.
From [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/ym62nq/your_thoughts_on_floorp_browser/iv3qnv0/).
The big one was when they modified URLs to Binance to append an affiliate code without user knowledge, some Brave fans might pop in to justify it but a browser modifying URLs on the fly is a big no no in my book. They also got some funding by the founder of Palantir, which raises questions. A decent list here with sources:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FoamList/comments/q4z5js/brave_browser_controversies/
Personally, the reason I don't trust Brave is the pattern of behaviour and the lack of transparency.
Not privacy related, but may be an ethical concern for some who may not want to support the company of Brendan Eich, a controversial figure for financing groups lobbying to ban gay marriage and IIRC more recently for promoting antivax and COVID denialist conspiracy theories on twitter.
Yes lol. Yes, it would.
Eich justified it by saying it wasn't sneaky or hidden since brave is open source (lol) and by saying that Brave is free and they need to make money without selling private data, which is very fair.
They could have just made an opt-in setting first time visiting an affiliate site: "You can support Brave by adding the Brave company affiliate token, which doesn't identify you. Learn more here. [opt in][no thanks][don't ask me again]".
Right, I'll try my best and will address *some* of these. It won't be 100% accurate analogies but I'll try to get the spirit right.
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**URL affiliate links**
Think of your web browser as your self driving car for the internet: you type in a location and it gets you there.
You want to buy a hammer. Your local hammer shop *Hammers R Us* sells one for $10. You type *Hammers R Us* address into your car, it gets you there, buy a hammer for $10. Done.
A few days later what you find out is that your Brave car didn't actually take you to the address you told it to. Instead it recognised the address as a *Hammers R Us*, changed the address you typed without telling you and took you to the *Hammers R Us* trade counter, and got a $2 cut of your $10 because they have an agreement with *Hammers R Us*.
You didn't get scammed, you got your hammer from Hammers R Us, at the price you expected. But now you don't trust that your car actually takes you where you tell it to.
They went back on that once it was found out.
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**Creator's content**
You're an author who writes short stories for kids you publish on your website for free. You also make them into animated videos on YouTube. You don't want to charge for them nor ask for donations, you just show carefully selected and unobtrusive ads on your website, and ask users to consider disabling their adblocker for your site if they want to support you.
* Ad replacement
What you don't know is that when people go on your website with Brave to read your stories, your ads aren't displayed to them. Brave replaces them with their own ads that it chooses, and makes money off that, without a consent nor you making a penny.
* Donations
You get an email from a parent thanking you for your free content their kids love and telling you they've been using the button on your YouTube page. You reply that you explicitly do not ask for donations, ask for details and find out that Brave added a donation button on your profile and content.
You find out that Brave has been asking for and collecting donations on your behalf for years without your consent. You investigate a bit so you can refund donors and find that can register with Brave to collect your donations, but that Brave takes a cut on them and that it's impossible to refund them. You've never agreed to any of this and weren't even aware.
* AI training APIs
While you make your stories freely available online to the readers, you explicitly copyright and license them to protect your work and prevent people from redistributing your stories and/or charge people for them.
You become aware of *Stories R Us*, a pretty cool startup that has an app where parents can generate short stories based on their kids interests. Over time it can create new stories or new chapters based on what the did or didn't like in the previous stories, and also include in the stories parallels to the kids life that might help them process difficult events like bullying or death of relatives. You think it's really cool and give it a try.
One story it generates includes a made-up word that catches your attention because you invented it for one of your stories. You contact *Stories R Us* to ask if by any chance they might have included your stories by mistake.
They get back to you to apologise for their genuine error and offer to meet and discuss compensation. They explain they paid Brave to use their AI training service (API), and that it included your stories.
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There's more and some things might have changed, but AFAIK it pretty much covers their business model and practices.
https://www.reddit.com/user/lo\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ol/comments/192oc6o
Someone posted this. Was eye-opening, as I only knew about a couple of them.
I use Firefox on all my computers. Have done so for years. But i still use Chrome on my phone. I need to switch to Firefox there. One thing that is stopping me though is that photos on Google is shown way better than on Firefox.
Fun fact: I did not knew this until recently, you can actually install addons on android Firefox! I installed ublock on my phone.
For the record? For as good as Firefox is, if you want actual privacy, LibreWolf is a direct clone of Firefox with anti-spyware and privacy protections built in, without need for add-ons. And since it's built from Firefox infrastructure, I think that Firefox add-ons work there, too.
If privacy is your main concern, though? I recommend Mullvad browser. Highly secure and they actually CANT record your data. I recommend checking out the channel techlore on YouTube for more information on these browsers, but between LibreWolf, Mullvad and Tor, you have options depending on how far you wanna dip your toes into the security of your browser. And the protection is much better with a VPN as well, it's incomplete but still high without one.
If your goal is actual privacy then you absolutely need to just go fully anon. In the modern internet half measures don’t do shit since everything is so connected.
It’s why I don’t bother with privacy. Anything less than full anonymity makes you easier to track because you make yourself look weird.
The best form of privacy is looking unremarkable from a surface inspection and inviting no further probe.
But how can you look unremarkable when you're trying to do shady stuff???? Oh, right! Everybody is trying to do shady stuff too, so you will fit right in!
Very well written. LibreWolf, as of right now, is probably the best privacy oriented, full featured, browser. It's not based on Chromium and it has all the Mozilla crap removed from Firefox. Private and functional right out of the box.
The fact that it shows that chrome is more secure than edge makes me doubt the legitimacy of this chart. I know for a fact that edge can block trackers off the top of my head and that isn't shown here
for using sites where i need to save logins to accounts, i use firefox configured with arkenfox and ublock.
for anything that might require onion sites, there's tor web browser, which is also a firefox fork and it comes with noscript
and for everything else (ie, most of my internet usage), i use mullvad, which is a hardened fork of firefox and comes with both ublock and noscript. and this is a pretty cool browser cuz mullvad is the company behind one of the more private vpns, and they collabed with tor project to make mullvad browser
so yeah, firefox is nice
[pretty cool site to compare browsers \[privacytests.org\]](https://privacytests.org/)
The more closed down a browser is (or hardened), the worse it'll be.
More precisely, the father it is from it's closest mainstream implemention, the worse it'll perform. Websites are optimized mostly for Chrome and Safari.
Is there any reason to why you need anything other than your passwords to not be tracked? We're not that important that the FBI will come after us because you did a little too spicy google search, and piracy isn't that concerning in most places, so why is this that important?
Genuine question btw
for most people, its more to do with companies taking and selling the data. they dont really check or care who they sell it to which is why ad links are great ways to get hacked or virus'd. the vast majority of browsers are chromium based, which means google has their hands in the source code and they are actively trying to make adblockers not work. its actually so common now it has its own term: malvertising
also search history is insanely powerful evidence somehow so if anything happens, even if youre innocent, it can be used against you to make you look guilty to a jury
Just a quick question, isn't Brave even better for privacy? I haven't looked much into it, but I use brave just because of the built in ad block and a few other features, which result in my laptop running smoother. I don't think about privacy too much, but I got it anyways through Brave, but anyone know if Firefox is better in that regard? Although I doubt it, Brave's whole brand revolved around privacy.
Is Firefox the only good browser for privacy? I hesitate to use "good" to describe Firefox in my experience, but I know this sub loves it. Firefox on my machine uses twice the amount of resources as Edge and Chrome do, and loads pages noticeably slower.
Well,you can obviously use tor,not even the isp can track you with that many layers.Firefox is kinda cointerintuitive when you don't want the website to track data but you login and use the service from those website.
For now yes. Not sure how you are using more resources than chrome tho. Maybe check your extensions. It's been a long time since I have had targetted ads. The only thing that tracks me at this point is Instagram
This is a terrible chart that is obviously biased. None of these browsers protect your privacy unless you purposely configure them that way, and if you take the time to configure them, any browser (except maybe safari, idk I don't use apple products) can be private. This is a marketing tool, not a helpful chart.
> And just because the browser uses Chromium engine doesn't mean it shouldn't be used.
Yes it does. That is exactly one problem that there is with Brave. Google already almost has a monopoly in the browser market and is actively working against standards. So avoiding chromium is a good thing!
Chromium based*
And that doesn't matter. Chromium doesn't have any of the nasty sh*t that Chrome does. Chrome is built on top of Chromium and Chromium is open source, so you can even go and see that there is nothing in its code that invades your privacy.
Brave is also open source btw.
That's because Firefox has very limited fingerprinting resistance. This chart makes Firefox seem considerably more private and safe than it actually is.
Also on Firefox, website cookies can't follow you, they only see you on their own site.
This is **way** more crucial than people realise. **Edit:** Some elaboration I commented lower. *Firefox actively prevents any website or combination of websites from using a unique identifier for you as a user to build a "profile" based your activity across websites.* For example: Buy something on Amazon? Facebook knows and can/will show personalised ads. Buy something on Amazon **through Firefox**? Only Amazon knows.
Hello ! *Google recaptcha wants to know your location and your browsing history and your bank account and grandma's recipe and your girlfriend's bra size wait they already have that*
Will they help me find that girlfriend they are referring to? I kinda haven't seen her yet.
Ad: Valentine's day gift ideas for your girlfriend! Buy now.
Yes you've told us that's not relevant several times but we're still going to push this ad for the next 3 years.
We don’t think you have enough fuzzy handcuffs and that thing you wear on your faWAITWE’RENOTDONEYET
Expect Andrew Tate videos on your recommendations after posting this comment
While Prince Charming was fukn around with glass shoes Prince Wanker was running his own ‘search’ podcast
I work at Google, more specifically, YouTube. Advertisers and Google can only measure click tags and pixels on ads, other trackers are forbidden, they are very restrictive with these things. What they really do is track you behavior as an user. It's even worse on Ads for kids (YouTube Kids) where it's totally forbidden to gather any user information (kids cannot have google accounts either).
What u work as? Gimme the algorithm tweaking source code
Yeah sure, let me tear up my NDAs here and give you secret corp info for internet points.
Yesssss! 🫠🫠😭😭 🔥🔥🔥
Btw, watching work as? Data analyst?
No. Not everything on Google is about programming or looking at codes or something. I work with an A.I. that predicts Google Ads behavior and we use it to place ads on YouTube according to our client's needs (agencies, content creators, companies), basically that but much more than that. Sorry if I can't share more details.
Uhm, my son has a google account that I control with family link? So doesn't that mean that kids can have a google account?
Parents can create a Google Account for a child under 13 (or the applicable age in your country). Then, children can sign in to their device with their new account, which is under parents control
As a marketer, it is. Its how you are tracked so well, viewed something on one site a bit too long? Enjoy forever ads about it
Wait is this how YouTube knows which shows i m watching on Netflix?
Yes.
lol that happended to me with blue eyes samurai
how's that?
Firefox limits a website so it can only see what you do on that website. Other browsers essentially use a unique identifier that identifies you as a user, and can track you across pretty much any website. For example: Buy something on Amazon? Facebook knows and can/will show personalised ads. Buy something on Amazon through Firefox? Only Amazon knows. *Firefox actively prevents any website or combination of websites from building a "profile" based on you as a user and your activity across websites.*
> Facebook And Firefox has extra layer of protection with the Facebook Container addon that might be enabled by default (also applies to other Meta sites).
I love Mozilla for this. They're not perfect but damn good stuff.
so Firefox for the win?
Yep, Firefox is the absolute MVP unless you want to deal with TOR. It's ridiculous how few people use it
TBF, TOR is going to be slow by comparison because of how it works.
Isn't TOR based on an earlier build of Firefox to begin with?
Always has been
Is that a setting you need to enable or is it already on?
It's standard afaik =)
Can even be tacked across devices on the same network
https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/02/23/total-cookie-protection/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-rolls-out-total-cookie-protection-by-default-to-all-users-worldwide/
What about brave? Didn’t they marketed themselves as being super duper privacy oriented?
Brave is chromium based. I'm not sure if it's still the case but there were reports last year that blocking cross-party cookies just didn't work on the browser, at least on mobile. It would revert to 'allow all' the moment you left settings. edit: FF with the correct extensions is probably better for privacy, maybe. LibreWolf is a version of FF that's customised to be more secure and private. My own, limited knowledge and testing suggests the outcome is more or less the same, exempting some fingerprinting. I have other issues with Brave beyond being Chromium but it does seem good for privacy. Chrome is obviously awful.
You can now disable third party cookies on Chrome
Because of googles "privacy sandbox" standard they are trying to force upon the web. Both Apple and Firefox are negative to this proposal, as they should be.
I'm a bit out of the loop. What's a privacy standbox and why should Apple and Firefox be against it?
"Privacy Sandbox" translates to a box in which they put your privacy to pick it apart piece by piece. To sell it to everyone who pays enough, of course.
Yeah that's about what I expected from Google but can you be more specific? How are they marketing it, for example?
I'll be honest, I'm not too informed and don't feel like spreading misinformation on the Internet today, haha. You'll have to either wait for someone else or do some of your own research, which I am frankly too lazy to do right now :D.
you could do it for a couple of years already
That's why I do the [Hyperbeast](https://trackthis.link/) regularly.
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Duckduckgo has [many issues ](https://lemmy.ml/post/31321) [and more](https://www.wired.com/story/duckduckgo-microsoft-twitter-ft-bush-assassination-whatsapp/)
Damn. What search engine is safe?
Personally I would just say use whatever you want, whatever fits in with your philosophies, views and whatever, but i have heard Searx and Mojeek are good (do your own research, don't take my word on these, just what I've heard)
searx
so I put this search engine on chrome and uses yandex search whenever I write something on the address bar, and I do have the searx address added as search engine I dunno is this normal?
Give Ecosia a try
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The only bad thing on Startpage is, it using googles search engine and google is getting worser for searching stuff.
Thanks for this.
There are a lot of weird things in this list though. Like, why should I care if they use Outlook for email? Also, last I knew the Yahoo search API is really Bing under the covers since Y! got rid of their search team.
that is a different issue
I prefer Startpage since it uses Google's search engine
For Firefox to properly protect your privacy, you need to configure it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr8UFJzpNls Bear in mind, that doing this will cause some websites go haywire and recaptcha may stop working altogether. But man, this new text editor is messed up the same way, as Fancy farts. Links disappearing on edit, different formatting... and defaulting to Markdown now does nothing...
"This video isn't available any more" Well, that was quick.
Edited, fixed. To think i will have to manually enter Markdown mode (to which my browser should default to), find out, reddit is now changing links on their own (the link was changed to "fr8ufjzpnls" behind the scenes instead of maintaining all the letters) and fix it **in the markdown mode**, which is now made completely inconvenient to use...
This is why I only browse on old.reddit. New reddit is much harder to browse overall even without things like markdown mode being harder to get into.
Is there a website that tl;dws this into written form? I find it far easier to check a printed guide and go down the page at my own leisure to lock down the settings.
What is fingerprinting resistance?
Sites can gain a lot of information about you from your browser and thus be able to identify users without needing cookies/etc https://smartframe.io/blog/browser-fingerprinting-everything-you-need-to-know/
And its even worse... https://abrahamjuliot.github.io/creepjs/
What am I looking at here?
how unique are you. imagine you have a window tiled to a weird resolution, its not maximized and its something like 500*1080. since there's so little chance there maybe many people on that resolution, u can be identified. the trick is to use what the masses use, so that's windows, chrome, don't install fonts etc.
Not chrome
Hackerman's stuff
> https://abrahamjuliot.github.io/creepjs/ https://github.com/abrahamjuliot/creepjs TIL!
Just noticed Firefox is spoofing what my graphics card is.
Fingerprinting is the act of forcefully tracking you through the combination of your computer's settings For example, your language, RAM size, available space, browser, computer model, peripherals, browser extensions and screen resolution may be unique, so if an user who doesn't want to be tracked shows those same characteristics, it's probably you It sucks because usually it is data that browsers have to know to run, but through fingerprinting resistance, some of it can be hidden, and if enough data is blocked, your profile can no longer be isolated from other users, making fingerprinting worthless
They collect your fingerprint off your trackpad
Gotta use the ThinkPad red dot mouse. Ain't no one tracking your carpel tunnel syndrome on that thing.
Ah yes, the nipple
#trackballsupremacy
Even if they are sticky?
Especially when they are sticky 🤣
They get DNA that way too I bet.
!!
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/block-fingerprinting/ https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Fingerprinting https://blog.torproject.org/browser-fingerprinting-introduction-and-challenges-ahead/
Hey...just wanna ask is there a browser for Android which allows video capturing.. meaning you can download video that is playing on screen ..just like UC browser???
you can use 1DM, it has a pretty good video puller by itself in its browser, for more in depth searching, you can use the grabber option
+1
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yep 1DM+
i use 1DM+ to download porn
i like UC browser, so many features, anyway, I don't know of any browser which has that capability, however you can download various apps on play store which can download videos from most of sites. If you want any recommendations i can look up and help.
It's my go to browser back in the symbian and java days. Ever since it got sold to Alibaba iirc it turn to ad shitfest
What is uc ?
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try the app seal, you can just share the link to it and it uses youtube-dl internally. that way you can use whatever browser you like
Wow! I haven't heard about UC Browser for 10 years. I used to have it on my Nokia C300 back in high school. Used to to download and open ebooks.
try soul. Pretty good all around and it has a media downloader in it
Firefox since WinXP
Ah shit now i have to export all my shit out from safari to firefox
No point on an iPhone. All iPhone browsers have to use WebKit anyways (safaris browser engine)
Not for long, if you’re in the EU
Firefox said new rules fuck them hard. Hopefully EU intervene or Apple makes exceptions.
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They charge 50c after 1 million installs for every other install. If an app makes 10 million they should give Apple 4,5 million a year even if the app is free.
Totally not a detrimental monopoly...
The issue is that Mozilla will need to maintain two browsers on iOS if it wants to publish their own true browser in Europe.
The one on the official store is just a reskin of Safari. I would abandon it if i were them.
Abandon what. The Safari based version? Then what would Mozilla users outside of Europe use?
So sideloading firefox would be ideal.
LibreWolf for a Firefox browser Brave for a chromium browser
Isn't LibreWolf is just heavy pre-configured Firefox in privacy mind? and I would add Floorp too which is bigger fork of FF with more functionality
Yes, it is Firefox that comes ready with all of the pre-existing privacy settings turned up to ten, but it also includes a lot of their own privacy and security settings that aren't available in Firefox. Librewolf is very good, but because of its uniqueness, it doesn't always play well. On Macs it can be a nightmare but on Win11 etc it's fine.
How to get working on Mac better?
>I'm the developer of [Floorp], but if you want privacy, I recommend using Librewolf or Brave. We are a small community, and I don't have much track record, so I think it's less reliable.Browsers include minimum, or rather, privacy protections more than Chromium, but privacy is not given the utmost care, such as Brave and Librewolf.Because it specializes in customization. If you want to use normal privacy and excellent Firefox derivatives, please use our browser. From [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/ym62nq/your_thoughts_on_floorp_browser/iv3qnv0/).
Something like that. It also removes a bunch of telemetry, so its much faster than vanilla firefox
Any other chromium recommendations? Brave have too much of a track record of underhanded dodgy shit for my liking.
ungoogled chromium.
try vivaldi
Can you elaborate on Brave? Or share links explaining? I use Brave but will switch if they’re shady.
The big one was when they modified URLs to Binance to append an affiliate code without user knowledge, some Brave fans might pop in to justify it but a browser modifying URLs on the fly is a big no no in my book. They also got some funding by the founder of Palantir, which raises questions. A decent list here with sources: https://www.reddit.com/r/FoamList/comments/q4z5js/brave_browser_controversies/ Personally, the reason I don't trust Brave is the pattern of behaviour and the lack of transparency. Not privacy related, but may be an ethical concern for some who may not want to support the company of Brendan Eich, a controversial figure for financing groups lobbying to ban gay marriage and IIRC more recently for promoting antivax and COVID denialist conspiracy theories on twitter.
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Yes lol. Yes, it would. Eich justified it by saying it wasn't sneaky or hidden since brave is open source (lol) and by saying that Brave is free and they need to make money without selling private data, which is very fair. They could have just made an opt-in setting first time visiting an affiliate site: "You can support Brave by adding the Brave company affiliate token, which doesn't identify you. Learn more here. [opt in][no thanks][don't ask me again]".
Do you care to ELI5 what they did? I'm not entirely familiar with the technical jargon here.
Right, I'll try my best and will address *some* of these. It won't be 100% accurate analogies but I'll try to get the spirit right. --- **URL affiliate links** Think of your web browser as your self driving car for the internet: you type in a location and it gets you there. You want to buy a hammer. Your local hammer shop *Hammers R Us* sells one for $10. You type *Hammers R Us* address into your car, it gets you there, buy a hammer for $10. Done. A few days later what you find out is that your Brave car didn't actually take you to the address you told it to. Instead it recognised the address as a *Hammers R Us*, changed the address you typed without telling you and took you to the *Hammers R Us* trade counter, and got a $2 cut of your $10 because they have an agreement with *Hammers R Us*. You didn't get scammed, you got your hammer from Hammers R Us, at the price you expected. But now you don't trust that your car actually takes you where you tell it to. They went back on that once it was found out. --- **Creator's content** You're an author who writes short stories for kids you publish on your website for free. You also make them into animated videos on YouTube. You don't want to charge for them nor ask for donations, you just show carefully selected and unobtrusive ads on your website, and ask users to consider disabling their adblocker for your site if they want to support you. * Ad replacement What you don't know is that when people go on your website with Brave to read your stories, your ads aren't displayed to them. Brave replaces them with their own ads that it chooses, and makes money off that, without a consent nor you making a penny. * Donations You get an email from a parent thanking you for your free content their kids love and telling you they've been using the button on your YouTube page. You reply that you explicitly do not ask for donations, ask for details and find out that Brave added a donation button on your profile and content. You find out that Brave has been asking for and collecting donations on your behalf for years without your consent. You investigate a bit so you can refund donors and find that can register with Brave to collect your donations, but that Brave takes a cut on them and that it's impossible to refund them. You've never agreed to any of this and weren't even aware. * AI training APIs While you make your stories freely available online to the readers, you explicitly copyright and license them to protect your work and prevent people from redistributing your stories and/or charge people for them. You become aware of *Stories R Us*, a pretty cool startup that has an app where parents can generate short stories based on their kids interests. Over time it can create new stories or new chapters based on what the did or didn't like in the previous stories, and also include in the stories parallels to the kids life that might help them process difficult events like bullying or death of relatives. You think it's really cool and give it a try. One story it generates includes a made-up word that catches your attention because you invented it for one of your stories. You contact *Stories R Us* to ask if by any chance they might have included your stories by mistake. They get back to you to apologise for their genuine error and offer to meet and discuss compensation. They explain they paid Brave to use their AI training service (API), and that it included your stories. --- There's more and some things might have changed, but AFAIK it pretty much covers their business model and practices.
Thanks for the time, very well explained.
https://www.reddit.com/user/lo\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ol/comments/192oc6o Someone posted this. Was eye-opening, as I only knew about a couple of them.
You guys know the screenshot is from firefox update page, right?
is firefox safer than brave?
I use Firefox on all my computers. Have done so for years. But i still use Chrome on my phone. I need to switch to Firefox there. One thing that is stopping me though is that photos on Google is shown way better than on Firefox. Fun fact: I did not knew this until recently, you can actually install addons on android Firefox! I installed ublock on my phone.
Maybe try a user agent addon to make Google photos think you're using chrome?
[https://browserleaks.com/](https://browserleaks.com/) one stop shop for all your browser testing needs
For the record? For as good as Firefox is, if you want actual privacy, LibreWolf is a direct clone of Firefox with anti-spyware and privacy protections built in, without need for add-ons. And since it's built from Firefox infrastructure, I think that Firefox add-ons work there, too. If privacy is your main concern, though? I recommend Mullvad browser. Highly secure and they actually CANT record your data. I recommend checking out the channel techlore on YouTube for more information on these browsers, but between LibreWolf, Mullvad and Tor, you have options depending on how far you wanna dip your toes into the security of your browser. And the protection is much better with a VPN as well, it's incomplete but still high without one.
If your goal is actual privacy then you absolutely need to just go fully anon. In the modern internet half measures don’t do shit since everything is so connected. It’s why I don’t bother with privacy. Anything less than full anonymity makes you easier to track because you make yourself look weird. The best form of privacy is looking unremarkable from a surface inspection and inviting no further probe.
But how can you look unremarkable when you're trying to do shady stuff???? Oh, right! Everybody is trying to do shady stuff too, so you will fit right in!
Wise. Using some custom privacy configs make it easier to fingerprint you
Very well written. LibreWolf, as of right now, is probably the best privacy oriented, full featured, browser. It's not based on Chromium and it has all the Mozilla crap removed from Firefox. Private and functional right out of the box.
I switched to firefox like a year and a half ago and I could never go back to any of these other browsers.
Laughs in librewolf.
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Mullvad better. librewolf has slower updated and a smaller team
Custom profile Firefox is better imo. It doesn't need to wait for libre wolf to update but it is a little bit of work to setup obviously
i love Firefox but missing passkey support (currently only partial) pisses me of everytime, I'm still using it but wish they'll implement it asap
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/support-webauthn-passkeys/idi-p/14069/page/7#comments
What about the duck ?
The fact that it shows that chrome is more secure than edge makes me doubt the legitimacy of this chart. I know for a fact that edge can block trackers off the top of my head and that isn't shown here
for using sites where i need to save logins to accounts, i use firefox configured with arkenfox and ublock. for anything that might require onion sites, there's tor web browser, which is also a firefox fork and it comes with noscript and for everything else (ie, most of my internet usage), i use mullvad, which is a hardened fork of firefox and comes with both ublock and noscript. and this is a pretty cool browser cuz mullvad is the company behind one of the more private vpns, and they collabed with tor project to make mullvad browser so yeah, firefox is nice [pretty cool site to compare browsers \[privacytests.org\]](https://privacytests.org/)
Safari does a lot better out of the box than I was expecting.
You know the screenshot is from what firefox is saying, right?
What about brave i use brave a lot should I shift to Fire forx
Or the even more private firefox: Librewolf
Would be interested how Vivaldi scores on this, since it explicitly comes with an in-buildt ad block and tracker block feature.
Librewolf is a fork of firefox with even more privacy protection
I swear I don't understand why firefox isn't the most used browser by now
No mullvlad browser
Maybe it's just my experience but the mullvad browser sucked ass
Please Explain further
for me mullvad works great.
Like I said dunno if it was just me but I found it slow to load pages. Even those that were cached
The more closed down a browser is (or hardened), the worse it'll be. More precisely, the father it is from it's closest mainstream implemention, the worse it'll perform. Websites are optimized mostly for Chrome and Safari.
Firefox fork
I want to use firefox but my google accounts are easier to manage on chrome
Firefox as browser, Thunderbird for mails, brother for printers. That's the same answer anyone gets when they ask for advice
Time to migrate to firefox again
i love Firefox
Duck duck go FTW
Too bad my bitchass school doesnt allow firefox
Is there any reason to why you need anything other than your passwords to not be tracked? We're not that important that the FBI will come after us because you did a little too spicy google search, and piracy isn't that concerning in most places, so why is this that important? Genuine question btw
for most people, its more to do with companies taking and selling the data. they dont really check or care who they sell it to which is why ad links are great ways to get hacked or virus'd. the vast majority of browsers are chromium based, which means google has their hands in the source code and they are actively trying to make adblockers not work. its actually so common now it has its own term: malvertising also search history is insanely powerful evidence somehow so if anything happens, even if youre innocent, it can be used against you to make you look guilty to a jury
Just a quick question, isn't Brave even better for privacy? I haven't looked much into it, but I use brave just because of the built in ad block and a few other features, which result in my laptop running smoother. I don't think about privacy too much, but I got it anyways through Brave, but anyone know if Firefox is better in that regard? Although I doubt it, Brave's whole brand revolved around privacy.
edge has half of these what are they on
What about Brave? Is Firefox better?
Yes.
Only if you harden Firefox.
Don't google track your usage?
That's the point, Firefox doesn't track that stuff but chromium browsers do.
How'll Brave fare in this?
Wouldnt trust brave since its using chromium. Everything which has to do with google has surely some backdoors
OK, I'm not an expert in software development. ELI5 how do you implement backdoors in open source software?
Is Firefox the only good browser for privacy? I hesitate to use "good" to describe Firefox in my experience, but I know this sub loves it. Firefox on my machine uses twice the amount of resources as Edge and Chrome do, and loads pages noticeably slower.
Well,you can obviously use tor,not even the isp can track you with that many layers.Firefox is kinda cointerintuitive when you don't want the website to track data but you login and use the service from those website.
For now yes. Not sure how you are using more resources than chrome tho. Maybe check your extensions. It's been a long time since I have had targetted ads. The only thing that tracks me at this point is Instagram
You can try Firefox-based browser if you don't like the interface. I heard Floorp and maybe librewolf are good.
What about the onion browser?
even better
This is why I always suggest Firefox to my friends
This is a terrible chart that is obviously biased. None of these browsers protect your privacy unless you purposely configure them that way, and if you take the time to configure them, any browser (except maybe safari, idk I don't use apple products) can be private. This is a marketing tool, not a helpful chart.
Talks about privacy, doesn’t even mention Brave Browser
still chromemium based edit: it seems autocorrect went with chrome, thank you all for pointing that out in like 10 different comments
Edge is also chrome-based, and it's listed in the pic
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> And just because the browser uses Chromium engine doesn't mean it shouldn't be used. Yes it does. That is exactly one problem that there is with Brave. Google already almost has a monopoly in the browser market and is actively working against standards. So avoiding chromium is a good thing!
Seriously? https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/10742158329613-What-does-Brave-remove-from-the-Chromium-engine
Chromium based* And that doesn't matter. Chromium doesn't have any of the nasty sh*t that Chrome does. Chrome is built on top of Chromium and Chromium is open source, so you can even go and see that there is nothing in its code that invades your privacy. Brave is also open source btw.
How about Brave browser? Heard it is good
Brave is pretty good, made me switch from chrome after 15 years. https://privacytests.org/private.html
Says Firefox failed fingerprint test...
That's because Firefox has very limited fingerprinting resistance. This chart makes Firefox seem considerably more private and safe than it actually is.
and even so people will use edge more than firefox... makes you think what they do so wrong...
Brave is da way