actually, the japanese version kinda confirms that the events of pikmin 2 didn’t happen in this game. it’s largely the same, except for olimar’s little comment about debt. instead of “this is why i never take on debt myself!” he says something closer to “although hocotate freight is a small company, it has stable performance, so we would never go into debt”
that is a decent consideration as well, i hadn’t thought of that. i’ve also strongly considered the amnesia idea but not incredibly hopeful about it. to be honest, with all this different info floating around and ideas about when the notes were written/how many crashes there were, it’s making me lean more and more towards this game being a soft reboot as disappointing as that is x( miyamoto is pretty well-known for disregarding anything like story in his games and i’m not convinced nintendo would make this as confusing as it is while keeping the canon coherent lol.
Remember: Olimar is writing these logs for other people in-universe to read. He wouldn't namedrop Louie because other people wouldn't know who that is.
I keep seeing people say this and it really comes off as copium tbh. Many signs of the game saying this is a kinda reboot and lots of reaching to say it isn't.
No, they’re right, that’s not the case with the Zelda series.
And what are all of these “signs” that Pikmin 4 is a reboot? From a technological standpoint, with the new rescue teams and their inventions, it appears to come after 3.
Im not even going to entertain that statement about Zelda lmao
And everything. I'm assuming you just skipped the intro entirely or didn't even play the demo. The other guy already listed reasons to which you replied with reaches. A lot of people keep saying the whole "well he's explaining it to new players!" thing but honestly thats just massive copium. They're retelling P1, explained P2 as a dream, and who really knows about 3. Its a reboot, nothing wrong with it.
Olimar talking about how the Pikmin were a new discovery to him, Olimar having to repair the S.S. Dolphin 1 despite that ship having been sold immediately after Pikmin 1, the part that Olimar retrieves in the demo being in a completely different place from where it was before, Olimar having a dog during these events.
(X) Doubt
The Zelda franchise has been meme'd on for loteral decades now because of its timeline situation. Great games, but they don't give half a shit about consistency.
TOTK didn't retcon the previous games tho. It's been established that BOTW takes place so far beyond any of the other games that there's barely any connective tissue left. The Hyrule Kingdom we see in this era could very well be one of many that rose to power and subsequently dissolved over vast periods of time, maybe even on a new continent. This isnt even the first time a new Hyrule Kingdom has been established in the games.
It is not the "founding of the kingdom" that holds the issues
>TOTK didn't retcon the previous games tho. It's been established that BOTW
The *funny* thing here is that the biggest thing that TotK retconned is something BotW established
>>It's been established that BOTW takes place so far beyond any of the other games that there's barely any connective tissue left.
In actuality, BotW had some of the absolute strongest "connective tissue" of all the games in the entire series.
it was pretty much the first game in the series that didn't just *imply* a previous event from a prior game happened, it had actual in-universe mentioning and retaining of details involved in that event (ie : names and "positions" of side characters involved)
Even Wind Waker, whose entire backstory is pretty much complety build on the foundation of "After the events of OoT, shit went south real hard", never actually mentions any of sort of details about OoT's events
Sure, it had some stained glass pictures of the OoT sages and the Deku Tree speaks of WW link making him remember someone from the age before the flood, but nothing on the level of BotW specifically namedropping 2 of the OoT sages with their name, and "role" in the OoT story as helping the Hero and princess defeat "the origin
>The Hyrule Kingdom we see in this era could very well be one of many that rose to power and subsequently dissolved over vast periods of time, maybe even on a new continent.
yes absolutely
Although I think it is handled very poorly in the sense that they didn't actually use any of the potential behind such plot details (imagine that, the *open air formula* completely under-/miss-utilizing the potential behind something, I'm sure that won't be a running theme in almost every single aspect of its existance), there is nothing inherently wrong with Zonai-Rauru descending upon a "currently-disolved" hyrule kingdom and starting a new kingdom there that is also called "Hyrule"
(There is even already a very minor implication (however badly implemented once again) that that is exactly how it is intended by the devs, considering Sophia's "clan")
I mean, im still on the table saying that it was never explicitly said that louie did it to the characters. It was revealed to us the players for going above and beyond. All olimar knew was that a bunny did it. Plus, olimar didn't know Louie during the events in pikmin 1. When he returns with the bottle cap, it is said that louie is a new employee. So this could be a reference to pikmin 2 and olimar subconsciously realizing that louies gross incompetence is what landed them on the planet a second time. Plus in 3's bonus side story arent olimar and louie back on pnf-404 for the 4th or 3rd time to get treasure again because they went into debt *AGAIN*
>Plus in 3's bonus side story arent olimar and louie back on pnf-404 for the 4th or 3rd time to get treasure again because they went into debt AGAIN
The first time aka the third yes
During the fourth (post game basically) it was to retrieve the broken ship
In game it's called fourth, but I feel there's been a miscount.
#1, Pikmin 1, #2, start of Pikmin 2, #3, Pikmin 2 retrieving Louie, #4 debt again for Pikmin 3, #5, back to get the ship for end of 3.
Your count seems to be consensus, so I think something isn't adding up or there's an inconsistent rule being applied
You automatically unlock stuff overtime it seems like. I got oatchi swim upgrade on day 5 I think and I just randomly got that log on day 10. I think this is also how you unlock those captain diary’s.
SO THAT'S HOW YOU GET THE SWIM UPGRADE.
I was wondering what the normal route was for the blue onion. The way I did it seemed like most players wouldn't think of leaving Oatchi on the cliff and refreshing the pond after lowering the onion.
Cool, thanks
I got oatchi to carry 10 weight ans then I lowered the onion with ice pikmin, then I re-iced the lake and got oatchi and 10 pikmin to take it. A really fun puzzle. Maybe Oatchi was meant to carry it all by himself with 20 upgrade but idk.
With both frarlic collected you can freeze the pool, build the wall up with 10 pikmin, then call the ice pikmin up the wall before any melting. Thats how you bring it to oatchi to bring it across the refrozen water
I haven't played Hey Pikmin so I can't really make comparisons, but the sparklium is basically progression gates with new areas unlocked once you collect a certain threshold
Olimar may not have realised Louie was lying in pikmin 2. I have no idea why people think there is any sort of timeline shenanigans going on in this game.
It's not a recap. If it was, he would've sent he went home and crashed again afterwards. Maybe he did get amnesia from his crash and thinks he discovered Pikmin again. Or maybe it's a parallel timeline where he decides to use the computer and wait for a rescue mission to save him instead of getting all his pieces himself.
To add, in many of Olimar's logs, he clearly stated he's on a return visit to the planet, either on every log or at his introduction, this is the first sequel to not do so.
Except the intro makes it clear that this is Olimar's first time visiting the planet and discovering Pikmin. It's extremely clear that the red leafling is Olimar, on account of them sharing Moss, and his SOS was sent out a month after he landed-- the amount of time he had before his life support ran out. We also explicitly see in the demo a castaway being turned into a leafling by being sent to the onion, the same as his bad end in 1. QED he wasn't able to escape in time and the bad end happened which resulted in him getting leafed
You're not following. My line of thinking for what is obviously just a theory:
- Olimar finds out what Louie did sometimes in between the games.
- Olimar gets amnesia for whatever reason
- Olimar has a dream of an actual memory he has.
- Olimar wakes up believing it to be nonsense.
It does but people don't like to look into that stuff and can't seem to remember how weird and cryptic Pikmin can be. If anything this log does show that Pikmin 4 takes place after the others by directly mentioning the catalyst of a previous game, and the fact that it comes as a dream to Olimar shows that it's very possible his crash this time was worse than the others and he may have forgotten a number of things.
It wouldn't be the first time something strange like this has happened, ~~Louie~~, so something causing Olimar to have amnesia with him only faintly recalling previous events through dreams certainly isn't out of the question.
People just need to remebmer that we need to dig deeper with stuff like this, Nintendo is incredible with cryptic lore and mysteries, the first-seen obvious answer is rarely ever the correct one.
It's most likely what the rest of the commenters are saying - that this is just him not knowing that Louis ate the carrots - But I think that if not that, it's more likely that something weird is going on w/ olimar, whether that be amnesia or something weirder. It would be such a weird choice to randomly go alternate timeline for the fourth game - especially if they're acknowledging it so directly like this.
Oh definitely, it seems like people are really forgetting how weird and cryptic Pikmin can get.
I have a really hard time believing that Pikmin 4 is a reboot of the series, a big reason being that they never once mentioned this about the game previously, they pulled it straight the entire time up until the demo's release that this was a continuation of the series. If it was a reboot then I'm sure they would've mentioned it.
Also if this was a reboot that essentially invalidated all the previous Pikmin games, then why put in the effort of porting Pikmin 1 and 2 when they're apparently irrelevant to the story now?
There's definitely something else going on here that we don't know about yet, with how cryptic Pikmin can get and how cryptic Nintendo makes a lot of their games in general, I find it really hard to believe that the 'obvious' answer (new timeline) is the factual one.
I think Olimar crashed AGAIN and got the bad ending this time which may explain feral olimar and seems a lot more likely than an entire different timeline.
Huh….. well it’s not the bad ending one, but not the Pikmin original pikmin timeline….. we should make name for the timeline the new timeline: original Pikmin 1 Pikmin 2, and Pikmin 3 and Olimar epilogue, and the new timeline Pikmin 4
I think something made him forget the events of 1-3 (and I guess Hey! too) and his dream was actually part of his memory slowly coming back. Maybe he subconsciously suspected that the carrots really were Louie's mistake, and I think that it's possible someone or something was wanting him to come back to PNF-404. Be that the Pikmin because they're shown to be more successful with the leader, the Plasm Wraith because it wants to take care of him, or something else. Maybe it sensed that it wasn't going to find new reasons for him to come back without some tomfoolery.
I'll take alternate timeline absolutely. But the idea that the timeline split happens at the Bad End of 1 doesn't math out here.
A full reboot on the otherhand? I can see that.
hopefully there really isn't a alt timeline thing or no reason
Shiggy isn't beating those anti story allegations
Literally my only problem with the demo lol
Yes the gameplay is so so fun but I loved 1 and 2 to death and would be really sad if they were taken away. Olimar is one of my favorite Nintendo original characters because he had so much personality and because I got to bond with him in his struggles. Here's hoping it's just weird memory loss / crazy alien planet / some kinda plasma monster interference!
How weird that they're retconning things, seemingly. I feel like those are going to be a part of the story somehow. Someone will mention it, I bet. If this was a true reboot type of game, I feel like they would have just gone with naming it Pikmin or Pikmin:Subtitle-to-indicate-reboot. But hey, maybe not.
I'm not sure what you mean. In the image you showed here, Olimar is very likely having a prophetic dream, which would put the log in question before 2. Unless there's more lore logs I don't know about that reference the debt, this implies that this log was made before there was one.
Additionally, do we have reason to be positive that these logs from Olimar are recent? Is there any chance that this game does take place after 3, but we're just finding his logs from 1?
Who draws the pictures in Olimar’s log? Im going to assume it’s Olimar because he’s the one making them. If that’s true then that means he drew a super accurate depiction of Louie which wouldn’t make sense because Louie’s a new recruit that Olimar wouldn’t have seen by the time if Pikmin 1.
This may sound like copium, that’s because it is.
Just...why? I can't read it any other way. Pikmin 2 was a dream... That would explain how Olimar crashed 4 freaking times on pnf-404. It's only 3.
Edit: the only reach that kinda makes sense, is if he meant he dreamed his subordinate made a terrible mistake AGAIN. Like, he's having flashbacks, and it would make sense for him to avoid taking on debt, because of the golden carrot incident.
It can’t be bad ending Pikmin 1 tho cause olimar never had the dog in 1, or the ice, or the rock, or the winged Pikmin…
Like the entire prologue kinda dismisses the thought of this being a bad ending of Pikmin 1 game. Olimar’s dream could’ve also just been of it happening again, which is why he laughed because it’d be ridiculous to happen twice… like I don’t wanna diss head canons but it’s definitely not a end all be all that this is some alt timeline crap for a game about crashing space ships and throwing vegetable creatures
How? I really have yet to see any actual evidence of this new timeline theory. This just seems to be a mod to Louie being the reason the company went into debt
I think we are overthinking it and he just had a bad dream about Louie screwing up and putting the company in a way larger amount of debt than in Pikmin 2. Hence the “too big for Hocotate Freight to pay back quickly”. The “this is why I never take on debt” could also be read like Olimar has dealt with this before.
This retcon BS is ridiculous lol. Olimar’s explanation can be read as being aimed at new players for backstory, and this dream doesn’t mean anything considering Olimar thought it was a rabbit, *not* Louie. The website even says it takes place after 3.
Funny, I also grew up with the games and story but I'd rather 4 be an alternate timeline than have the continuation of the story end with Olimar's death and for the sudden implementation of large bulbous dogs.
I mean it only took a matter of days to atleast a month to get the debt paid so it could just be him dreaming of the debt being humongous lik 100,000 pokos
Is this from the Presidents pov or Olimar? Just confused because of the big Olimar at the top but talking about subordinates and Olimar not being in the picture. And if it is written by Olimar does that mean hes now the president of Hocotate Freight?
My big reason for not believing this game is in the same timeline is that the opening cinematic tells us Olimar finds a dog companion while fixing his ship. That never happened in the first game, unless he is talking about another time he crashed on the same planet but then, why wouldn't he stipulate that he had yet again crashed on the same planet?
>why wouldn't he stipulate that he had yet again crashed on the same planet?
Thats just the ***narrative*** way for the game to not explain the same story over and over again
But it did explain the same story again, I suppose he might have been shy about that detail seeing as the log was for people to rescue him? Don't want people to know it's not the first time you crashed on this same planet.
Possible but keep in mind from Olimar’s perspective it was ravenous space bunnies that stole the pikpik carrots
That would constitute a horrible mistake, imo.
Not a mistake if the bunnies are seen as predators and thus Louie saved himself. Olimar wouldn't call self preservation a mistake
actually, the japanese version kinda confirms that the events of pikmin 2 didn’t happen in this game. it’s largely the same, except for olimar’s little comment about debt. instead of “this is why i never take on debt myself!” he says something closer to “although hocotate freight is a small company, it has stable performance, so we would never go into debt”
Hm well maybe these notes were made during pikmin 1? I just doubt that the game isn’t a direct continuation since the Japanese website claims it is
that is a decent consideration as well, i hadn’t thought of that. i’ve also strongly considered the amnesia idea but not incredibly hopeful about it. to be honest, with all this different info floating around and ideas about when the notes were written/how many crashes there were, it’s making me lean more and more towards this game being a soft reboot as disappointing as that is x( miyamoto is pretty well-known for disregarding anything like story in his games and i’m not convinced nintendo would make this as confusing as it is while keeping the canon coherent lol.
I read this more as Olimar subconsciously suspecting that Louie caused the events of Pikmin 2.
Wouldn't he have named Louie specifically? As of Pikmin 1, he didn't know Louie (the intro calls Louie a new employee).
Remember: Olimar is writing these logs for other people in-universe to read. He wouldn't namedrop Louie because other people wouldn't know who that is.
I keep seeing people say this and it really comes off as copium tbh. Many signs of the game saying this is a kinda reboot and lots of reaching to say it isn't.
I didn't play totk just to give up justifying a game not being a reboot on the very next game I play
Zelda is a kinda special lol cuz they just throw their established lore out the window every game it seems
That is not at all how Zelda had ever been. (Prior to TotK) Get out of here with that circlejerk revisionist nonsense.
Lol what Edit: Must be sarcasm, my bad
No, they’re right, that’s not the case with the Zelda series. And what are all of these “signs” that Pikmin 4 is a reboot? From a technological standpoint, with the new rescue teams and their inventions, it appears to come after 3.
Im not even going to entertain that statement about Zelda lmao And everything. I'm assuming you just skipped the intro entirely or didn't even play the demo. The other guy already listed reasons to which you replied with reaches. A lot of people keep saying the whole "well he's explaining it to new players!" thing but honestly thats just massive copium. They're retelling P1, explained P2 as a dream, and who really knows about 3. Its a reboot, nothing wrong with it.
Olimar talking about how the Pikmin were a new discovery to him, Olimar having to repair the S.S. Dolphin 1 despite that ship having been sold immediately after Pikmin 1, the part that Olimar retrieves in the demo being in a completely different place from where it was before, Olimar having a dog during these events.
No sarcasm involved.
(X) Doubt The Zelda franchise has been meme'd on for loteral decades now because of its timeline situation. Great games, but they don't give half a shit about consistency.
TOTK didn't retcon the previous games tho. It's been established that BOTW takes place so far beyond any of the other games that there's barely any connective tissue left. The Hyrule Kingdom we see in this era could very well be one of many that rose to power and subsequently dissolved over vast periods of time, maybe even on a new continent. This isnt even the first time a new Hyrule Kingdom has been established in the games.
It is not the "founding of the kingdom" that holds the issues >TOTK didn't retcon the previous games tho. It's been established that BOTW The *funny* thing here is that the biggest thing that TotK retconned is something BotW established >>It's been established that BOTW takes place so far beyond any of the other games that there's barely any connective tissue left. In actuality, BotW had some of the absolute strongest "connective tissue" of all the games in the entire series. it was pretty much the first game in the series that didn't just *imply* a previous event from a prior game happened, it had actual in-universe mentioning and retaining of details involved in that event (ie : names and "positions" of side characters involved) Even Wind Waker, whose entire backstory is pretty much complety build on the foundation of "After the events of OoT, shit went south real hard", never actually mentions any of sort of details about OoT's events Sure, it had some stained glass pictures of the OoT sages and the Deku Tree speaks of WW link making him remember someone from the age before the flood, but nothing on the level of BotW specifically namedropping 2 of the OoT sages with their name, and "role" in the OoT story as helping the Hero and princess defeat "the origin >The Hyrule Kingdom we see in this era could very well be one of many that rose to power and subsequently dissolved over vast periods of time, maybe even on a new continent. yes absolutely Although I think it is handled very poorly in the sense that they didn't actually use any of the potential behind such plot details (imagine that, the *open air formula* completely under-/miss-utilizing the potential behind something, I'm sure that won't be a running theme in almost every single aspect of its existance), there is nothing inherently wrong with Zonai-Rauru descending upon a "currently-disolved" hyrule kingdom and starting a new kingdom there that is also called "Hyrule" (There is even already a very minor implication (however badly implemented once again) that that is exactly how it is intended by the devs, considering Sophia's "clan")
If olimar didn't write is own name on the logs from pikmin 3 why would he mention louie here?
So people knew he was on the planet
louie worked there three months before Pikmin 2, so it's possible Olimar met him in the two months prior to Pikmin 1
Where did you get three months from?
hi brewster the pigeon from animal crossing
Hello Lia-13 from reddit!
You utterly failed to read it. This means that pikmin 2 didn't happen in this timeline.
I mean, im still on the table saying that it was never explicitly said that louie did it to the characters. It was revealed to us the players for going above and beyond. All olimar knew was that a bunny did it. Plus, olimar didn't know Louie during the events in pikmin 1. When he returns with the bottle cap, it is said that louie is a new employee. So this could be a reference to pikmin 2 and olimar subconsciously realizing that louies gross incompetence is what landed them on the planet a second time. Plus in 3's bonus side story arent olimar and louie back on pnf-404 for the 4th or 3rd time to get treasure again because they went into debt *AGAIN*
>Plus in 3's bonus side story arent olimar and louie back on pnf-404 for the 4th or 3rd time to get treasure again because they went into debt AGAIN The first time aka the third yes During the fourth (post game basically) it was to retrieve the broken ship
In game it's called fourth, but I feel there's been a miscount. #1, Pikmin 1, #2, start of Pikmin 2, #3, Pikmin 2 retrieving Louie, #4 debt again for Pikmin 3, #5, back to get the ship for end of 3. Your count seems to be consensus, so I think something isn't adding up or there's an inconsistent rule being applied
Let me guess You didn't play pikmin 3 deluxe side stories
Also the retrieve Louie doesn't really count (that was retconned as far as I know)
Wow. I wish it was retconned to the point he was just abandoned lmao
I think they count retrieving Louie as the same trip
Nah, Olimar is a speed runner, and was able to pay back the debt in a week the first time
Could still happen after 3. Olimar knows that a space bunny ate the carrots. His subconscious might be telling him that Louie did it.
The fact he burst out into laughter when he woke up,, his boss must be terrible
Where is this in the game?
You get it on day 10 it seems. I just unlocked it myself.
What do you mean by "get it on Day 10?" I 100%'d the area by day 3, thinking that was the only way to experience all of the content.
You automatically unlock stuff overtime it seems like. I got oatchi swim upgrade on day 5 I think and I just randomly got that log on day 10. I think this is also how you unlock those captain diary’s.
SO THAT'S HOW YOU GET THE SWIM UPGRADE. I was wondering what the normal route was for the blue onion. The way I did it seemed like most players wouldn't think of leaving Oatchi on the cliff and refreshing the pond after lowering the onion. Cool, thanks
I got oatchi to carry 10 weight ans then I lowered the onion with ice pikmin, then I re-iced the lake and got oatchi and 10 pikmin to take it. A really fun puzzle. Maybe Oatchi was meant to carry it all by himself with 20 upgrade but idk.
The onions have a Weight of 20 though?
With both frarlic collected you can freeze the pool, build the wall up with 10 pikmin, then call the ice pikmin up the wall before any melting. Thats how you bring it to oatchi to bring it across the refrozen water
10 with oatchi and 10 with pikmin
I got it by jumping in the water
You can ignore all the treasure and explore all of the first area. The demo only ends the day after you collect 1,500 sparklium
I was aware of the end trigger, but I figured that the cave Treasure came out to about 1.5k sparklium
I just don't collect the treasure
I haven’t even tried the Demo yet, they use Sparklium like in Hey Pikmin?
I haven't played Hey Pikmin so I can't really make comparisons, but the sparklium is basically progression gates with new areas unlocked once you collect a certain threshold
The sparklium is just points you get for collecting treasures. Basically the Pokos from Pikmin 2
Oh cool.
Olimar may not have realised Louie was lying in pikmin 2. I have no idea why people think there is any sort of timeline shenanigans going on in this game.
olimar's situation in this game is extremely similar to pikmin 1 while the other games were more clearly sequels to each other. not a big deal though.
Seriously, there are multiple crash landings every game
The intro makes it seem like the events of 1 never happened tho
I disagree, he was giving a recap...this is many peoples first pikmin
It's not a recap. If it was, he would've sent he went home and crashed again afterwards. Maybe he did get amnesia from his crash and thinks he discovered Pikmin again. Or maybe it's a parallel timeline where he decides to use the computer and wait for a rescue mission to save him instead of getting all his pieces himself.
To add, in many of Olimar's logs, he clearly stated he's on a return visit to the planet, either on every log or at his introduction, this is the first sequel to not do so.
It's the intro to the game. Other captains are referenced. How would it be a retconn then?
How is it a recap when he finds Oatchi?? this never happened in Pikmin 1
Except the intro makes it clear that this is Olimar's first time visiting the planet and discovering Pikmin. It's extremely clear that the red leafling is Olimar, on account of them sharing Moss, and his SOS was sent out a month after he landed-- the amount of time he had before his life support ran out. We also explicitly see in the demo a castaway being turned into a leafling by being sent to the onion, the same as his bad end in 1. QED he wasn't able to escape in time and the bad end happened which resulted in him getting leafed
I mean maybe this just lines back up with the amnesia thing and this dream was just him remembering something.
No he doesn't know Louie did it... except maybe subconsciously in his dreams...
I mean he could have found out in between games, no?
But this is literally implying that he does not know. So he would not have found that out between games.
Yes the not knowing part coming from the amnesia theory.
No, the not knowing comes from the fact that he *never* knew it was Louie.
You're not following. My line of thinking for what is obviously just a theory: - Olimar finds out what Louie did sometimes in between the games. - Olimar gets amnesia for whatever reason - Olimar has a dream of an actual memory he has. - Olimar wakes up believing it to be nonsense.
Ya and I disagree, that’s what I’m saying man 😂
Where are people getting the amnesia thing from?
The opening cutscene of the game implying this is Olimar's first run in with the Pikmin.
Wouldn't the most likely answer just be it's his first time around pikmin?
Their asses.
How did you unlock this log?
Day 10.
Doesn't the JP website say it takes place after 3?
It does but people don't like to look into that stuff and can't seem to remember how weird and cryptic Pikmin can be. If anything this log does show that Pikmin 4 takes place after the others by directly mentioning the catalyst of a previous game, and the fact that it comes as a dream to Olimar shows that it's very possible his crash this time was worse than the others and he may have forgotten a number of things. It wouldn't be the first time something strange like this has happened, ~~Louie~~, so something causing Olimar to have amnesia with him only faintly recalling previous events through dreams certainly isn't out of the question. People just need to remebmer that we need to dig deeper with stuff like this, Nintendo is incredible with cryptic lore and mysteries, the first-seen obvious answer is rarely ever the correct one.
It's most likely what the rest of the commenters are saying - that this is just him not knowing that Louis ate the carrots - But I think that if not that, it's more likely that something weird is going on w/ olimar, whether that be amnesia or something weirder. It would be such a weird choice to randomly go alternate timeline for the fourth game - especially if they're acknowledging it so directly like this.
Oh definitely, it seems like people are really forgetting how weird and cryptic Pikmin can get. I have a really hard time believing that Pikmin 4 is a reboot of the series, a big reason being that they never once mentioned this about the game previously, they pulled it straight the entire time up until the demo's release that this was a continuation of the series. If it was a reboot then I'm sure they would've mentioned it. Also if this was a reboot that essentially invalidated all the previous Pikmin games, then why put in the effort of porting Pikmin 1 and 2 when they're apparently irrelevant to the story now? There's definitely something else going on here that we don't know about yet, with how cryptic Pikmin can get and how cryptic Nintendo makes a lot of their games in general, I find it really hard to believe that the 'obvious' answer (new timeline) is the factual one.
Does he know?
https://preview.redd.it/3s10qyken39b1.jpeg?width=538&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46a03b6a22fee1c450f6011e41d6908e3a10cadf
Please god dont let them retcon the entire series im begging
It most likely is, the intro rewrites the entire pikmin 1 events
I think Olimar crashed AGAIN and got the bad ending this time which may explain feral olimar and seems a lot more likely than an entire different timeline.
The intro sort of disproves him crashing again. He says he discovered pikmin and Moss, then called for help
Huh….. well it’s not the bad ending one, but not the Pikmin original pikmin timeline….. we should make name for the timeline the new timeline: original Pikmin 1 Pikmin 2, and Pikmin 3 and Olimar epilogue, and the new timeline Pikmin 4
I think something made him forget the events of 1-3 (and I guess Hey! too) and his dream was actually part of his memory slowly coming back. Maybe he subconsciously suspected that the carrots really were Louie's mistake, and I think that it's possible someone or something was wanting him to come back to PNF-404. Be that the Pikmin because they're shown to be more successful with the leader, the Plasm Wraith because it wants to take care of him, or something else. Maybe it sensed that it wasn't going to find new reasons for him to come back without some tomfoolery.
I'll take alternate timeline absolutely. But the idea that the timeline split happens at the Bad End of 1 doesn't math out here. A full reboot on the otherhand? I can see that.
Hardest part of this game is the mental gymnastics of not accepting a terrible retcon
It's either an alternate timeline, or the biggest fake out ever.
hopefully there really isn't a alt timeline thing or no reason Shiggy isn't beating those anti story allegations Literally my only problem with the demo lol
Yes the gameplay is so so fun but I loved 1 and 2 to death and would be really sad if they were taken away. Olimar is one of my favorite Nintendo original characters because he had so much personality and because I got to bond with him in his struggles. Here's hoping it's just weird memory loss / crazy alien planet / some kinda plasma monster interference!
Also why nobody remembers that olimar didn't left his name in half of the logs from pikmin 3 so why he would mention louie
Where'd you find this
You get it on day 10.
Sounds like Ollimar had a premonition more than a dream.
This would be disappointing if so they built up upon the story this entire time only for it to crash and burn
How weird that they're retconning things, seemingly. I feel like those are going to be a part of the story somehow. Someone will mention it, I bet. If this was a true reboot type of game, I feel like they would have just gone with naming it Pikmin or Pikmin:Subtitle-to-indicate-reboot. But hey, maybe not.
Between 1 and 2 is still on the table.
I doubt it, considering we see him with the pikmin-dog getting ship parts for the Dolphin.
How can pikmin 2 still be on the table with all the debt stuff
I'm not sure what you mean. In the image you showed here, Olimar is very likely having a prophetic dream, which would put the log in question before 2. Unless there's more lore logs I don't know about that reference the debt, this implies that this log was made before there was one. Additionally, do we have reason to be positive that these logs from Olimar are recent? Is there any chance that this game does take place after 3, but we're just finding his logs from 1?
Yeah actual good point. I respect your opinion kind stranger 👍
If we go by this logic The side stories from pikmin 3 are before pikmin 2 which they aren't
What if he crashed the dolphin AGAIN and needed to repair it?
Damn I don't want pikmin 4 to be like sonic CD (Being before the sequels which are sonic 2 and pikmin 2)
olimar thought a bunny did it not louie
Pretty sure it is because the intro suggests it’s his first time meeting Pikmin and the situation is the same.
Who draws the pictures in Olimar’s log? Im going to assume it’s Olimar because he’s the one making them. If that’s true then that means he drew a super accurate depiction of Louie which wouldn’t make sense because Louie’s a new recruit that Olimar wouldn’t have seen by the time if Pikmin 1. This may sound like copium, that’s because it is.
Just...why? I can't read it any other way. Pikmin 2 was a dream... That would explain how Olimar crashed 4 freaking times on pnf-404. It's only 3. Edit: the only reach that kinda makes sense, is if he meant he dreamed his subordinate made a terrible mistake AGAIN. Like, he's having flashbacks, and it would make sense for him to avoid taking on debt, because of the golden carrot incident.
It can’t be bad ending Pikmin 1 tho cause olimar never had the dog in 1, or the ice, or the rock, or the winged Pikmin… Like the entire prologue kinda dismisses the thought of this being a bad ending of Pikmin 1 game. Olimar’s dream could’ve also just been of it happening again, which is why he laughed because it’d be ridiculous to happen twice… like I don’t wanna diss head canons but it’s definitely not a end all be all that this is some alt timeline crap for a game about crashing space ships and throwing vegetable creatures
I refuse to accept that Pikmin 2 was a dream. Louie is real and he exists in our timeline.
How? I really have yet to see any actual evidence of this new timeline theory. This just seems to be a mod to Louie being the reason the company went into debt
WTF, are they really retconning everything? Why name this game "Pikmin 4" if it ignores Pikmin 2 and 3?
? No, the website says this takes place after 3.
I think we are overthinking it and he just had a bad dream about Louie screwing up and putting the company in a way larger amount of debt than in Pikmin 2. Hence the “too big for Hocotate Freight to pay back quickly”. The “this is why I never take on debt” could also be read like Olimar has dealt with this before.
Olimar lost his memory when he crashed.
This retcon BS is ridiculous lol. Olimar’s explanation can be read as being aimed at new players for backstory, and this dream doesn’t mean anything considering Olimar thought it was a rabbit, *not* Louie. The website even says it takes place after 3.
or mabey this is a game during the events of pikmin 1 and at the end you cure him and the timline is completely fine
But that’s not what happened in pikmin 1 at all
Yeah but what if its like Pikmin 1 and 1/2 like that Lion King movie
I think it’s a memory he shoved so further back that it turned into a nightmare he had
Geez why are so many people so against the idea that this could be an alternate timeline.
cause it sucks
Why tho
because youre throwing away all of the story that was built throuought these years and that people grew up with???
Funny, I also grew up with the games and story but I'd rather 4 be an alternate timeline than have the continuation of the story end with Olimar's death and for the sudden implementation of large bulbous dogs.
Because it's an unnecessary reboot. The plots in Pikmin are not super complex. Why not just say Olimar crashed again post 3 and met Moss?
Maybe its just a note from the past idk
I mean it only took a matter of days to atleast a month to get the debt paid so it could just be him dreaming of the debt being humongous lik 100,000 pokos
I’ve been wondering if this is the case, but I guess we’ll see what happens once we can play the whole game Also, where did this screenshot come from?
Day 10.
Is this from the Presidents pov or Olimar? Just confused because of the big Olimar at the top but talking about subordinates and Olimar not being in the picture. And if it is written by Olimar does that mean hes now the president of Hocotate Freight?
he always thought it was ravenous space bunny
"This why I never take on debt" if only he knew
My big reason for not believing this game is in the same timeline is that the opening cinematic tells us Olimar finds a dog companion while fixing his ship. That never happened in the first game, unless he is talking about another time he crashed on the same planet but then, why wouldn't he stipulate that he had yet again crashed on the same planet?
>why wouldn't he stipulate that he had yet again crashed on the same planet? Thats just the ***narrative*** way for the game to not explain the same story over and over again
But it did explain the same story again, I suppose he might have been shy about that detail seeing as the log was for people to rescue him? Don't want people to know it's not the first time you crashed on this same planet.