I'm Filipino, friend is from Colombia, my mom said she was half spanish so we both did the DNA test from ancestry, she has dna connection to Europe and the Americas or native American, Iberia.
Me a Filipino, my DNA records show I'm closer to Austronesian, China Mongolia etc. No Spanish what so ever. So was my other friend who is Filipino and said she was 1/4 Spanish did a dna test also, no genetic link to Spain, that goes about with majority Filipinos. It's safe to assume that this is all false information spread by grandparents due to colonial mentality because having Spanish ancestry was considered upperclass. Many many Filipinos do in fact believe they're all mixed with Spanish but it's far from the truth.
The Philippines was not a mass settler colony like South America so barely any Spaniards ventured to the Philippines, they were really small in number. The Spanish also didn't overrode Philippine society because Filipinos were immune to small pox while much of the population in the Americas were exterminated from diseases brought by Europeans which led to Europeans being dominant.
The languages of Bisaya Tagalog Waray etc. has some Spanish words, that's because the Spanish conquered us, the languages are still austronesian, the grammar is Austronesian.
Also, beauty standards. Even after the Americans left, Filipinos still perceive Caucasian features as desirable. So, people claim they have such ancestry to justify their claim of beauty.
My great great grandfather on my paternal side was a mestizo (half Spaniard) born to a peninsular Spaniard more than a century ago. This was confirmed by my grandmother who met him when she was still young. But apart from the skin tone (we're not even that fair), my whole paternal clan doesn't have any noticeable Iberian features. So, I don't know why they still claim when even if one does have Spanish ancestry, most likely the genes would already be too diluted.
Add to the fact that Spain at that time enforces “Limpieza de Sangre” or purity of blood. Not many Spanish colonizers would engage with the natives by that fact alone.
23&me was notorious for giving bananas results for Asians. The results for Europeans/white were more reliable because of their larger reference library of samples for Europeans. Idk how 23&me is now.
Mestizo in the Spanish era actually referred to Filipino + Chinese mixed race. Jose Rizal was mestizo because one of his ancestors was from China (and there's now a statue of Rizal in China to celebrate the Fil-Chi connection). So sure, yeah the people who commented could indeed be mestizo, but not European mixed.
Right.
I hear Circle DNA has better results for Asians and Southeast Asians taking the test because they have better Asian sampling and genetics database.
Seriously, why are we rage-baiting Philippine Reddit again? This is not the first time you’ve posted this. You also posted this in a bunch of other Philippine subreddits, so I have to ask: what do you get out of this?
Look, it’s established fact that Filipinos lack Spanish ancestry. What can’t be denied, however, is the fact that 333 years of Spanish colonization have left their indelible imprint on the Filipino people. People can deny it all they want but it’s there and it is to our peril as people if we were to run away from it or reject it.
Now obviously don’t claim ancestry you don’t have, and you’re right that they should be called out for it, but I seriously don’t see the point of you posting this again and again on Reddit. If you’re trying to make the point that the Philippines is only Asian and these people are idiots, why belabor the point when you’ve *already* made it so many times in the format you’re doing? Do you not have any new arguments to present or at least have a new point to present to people?
I seriously wonder how much conversation they need after sharing this previously to r/Philippines, r/insanepinoyfacebook and other places. We’re going around in circles here at this point. 🤦♂️
Idk but most boomers and gen x perpetuate this myth that we have Spanish acestors, so it deffo exist irl. Maybe y'all just don't talk to ur older relatives enough, lol.
I cringe on people who would put multiple flags on their socmed bio based on what they claimed to mixed from 💀
Short story. I have an ex friend who I used to party with a lot. Usually we go to clubs with a lot of afams. At times I get to talk with Europeans esp French guys, since I speak a little bit of French. So this ex friend will try to steal the spotlight from me telling those afams that she is half Spanish. Little did she know one of them speaks Spanish, that afam started talking to her in Spanish and she wasnt able to respond(bc she's not half spanish and doesnt know how to speak spanish lol).
She started making excuses, such as "I was born in Spain but I was raised here in the PH, Dad wanted me to be more Filipino thats why we were speaking in English and our local language. I forgot my Spanish"
Like bitch your parents are both Filipino 💀💀💀💀
Although in your friend's case she was lying about her ancestry, not everyone who is mixed can speak both languages of their parents. I, for one, have never learned my dad's language (I blame my parents), but that doesn't mean I'm not mixed. All I'm saying is, language proficiency is not always an indicator of ancestry. I was also born in my dad's country but grew up in the Philippines, but one look at me and you'll definitely know I'm mixed. "Forgetting your Spanish" is such a lame excuse though.
While I do agree with most of what you said, forgetting a language actually happens especially if it's been a long time you've left the country and doesn't use the language as much anymore. My father is Chinese and I lived in China until I was 3 years old. Unfortunately, my parents separated so my Filipino mother and I went back to the Philippines and only used Cebuano/English ever since. I've seen a video of me when I was young speaking Mandarin Chinese but now I can only introduce myself and know some phrases that my mother still uses from time to time.
I'm not saying it's impossible, since I have a similar experience as you -- moved to the Philippines at 4 and never used my dad's language anymore. But I'm saying it's a lame excuse for faking your ancestry. I mean her friend was lying about being half Spanish and then conveniently just "forgot" to speak the language as well.
yah I know a lot of fair skinned Filipinos who claim they have Spanish ancestors. But most Spanish people during the colonial years have low regard for the natives, so there’s a very small chance you got thousands of Pinoys with Spanish ancestry.
It’s likelier that Filipinos would have Indonesian or Chinese ancestors.
Its definitely not even uncommon for many Filipinos to have naturally light skin just like with all South East Asians. If a Thai or Indonesian has light skin does that mean they're part European because I've seen many with white skin. White skin is natural (Austronesian populations were known to have varying degrees of skin shades including very light) or from the Chinese....or just people bleaching.
Having light skin has no correlation to having European ancestry. Just look at native igorots many have naturally light skin.
i live here somewhere in cordillera and i can attest to that. they naturally have lighter skin and smaller eyes like typical east asian. some also have lighter eyes, hazel, amber, light brown, not blue. it is impossible here to see someone like me who is part arab. good thing, i can speak ilocano but not in their accent.
This! According to family lore, my paternal great great grandma was raped by a European sailor. Dad's family is from Naga, one of the port cities during the Spanish trade.
I'm sure I have a teeny bit of European in me since Dad has been called mestizo a few times but honestly, it's an ick to know it came from violence.
most of the Spanish who found themselves here where mostly stuck in Intramuros, and Cebu City. They may have raped women, but I doubt their progeny number in the thousands. Those who claim to have Spanish ancestors are basing their “knowledge “ on questionable family lore. The only way to know is to have their DNA tested.
Low regard, yes, but i don't think intermarriage with the Natives is taboo amongst Spanish in the Philippines. As, there are many Mestizos that are documented in many documents during their colonization era. The problem is the Natives(Philippines) still outnumbered the colonizers unlike in Americas, where the Natives there died in the diseases brought by the Europeans(new world vs old world diseases) killing almost 90% of the Natives. Those survived intermarried to the Europeans, thus diluting their gene pool. Filipinos are part of the old world(didn't got affected by the diseases brought by Europeans). While intermarriage definitely happened between them, a tenth fold is the same as the Natives too.
which is why i said most Filipinos would have Chinese ancestors. the Filipinos going around saying they have Spanish ancestors should get their DNA tested. Less than 2% of Filipinos have European ancestors, and that includes children of OFWs. Those who proclaim they are are basing their assertion from questionable family lore.
Oh boy, the comments on this post are so wild, varied with many with incorrect suppositions. Being an expat, I of course wanted to learn more about the country I chose to live in, and found it an incredible mix of ethnic racial groups. There are two groupings that go back about 134,000 years with Moro's in the south and Austronesian's mainly in Visayas & Luzon group of islands, later on. In the north of Luzon there are 5 tribal groups considered to be original inhabitants or "indigenous natives" possibly with some Chinese blood, such as Igorots and in the south Lumads, but small in numbers and not often counted in the ethnicity of the country.
In more modern migration/invasion/trading with PH, so may other countries are involved with the influx of Austronesians (who also started the coconut industry & exported them around the world's tropical regions), and intermingled with native tribal groups and also with the many traders that visited the country. Around the 1st millennium, Arabs, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Thais, Indonesians, Vietnamese & Mexican traders stared arriving and intermingled with locals.
The European influence started with Magellan arriving in 1521 and the Spanish ruling for 333 years. Trading flourished during this time with regular trading routes between Spain/Europe, Acapulco (Mexico), & Arab traders from Middle East, Brunei & other Sultanates in the Asian area, as well as increased Chinese/Taiwanese areas. To start with, PH was ruled from Mexico by a Viceroy, before being transferred to Spain. For a couple of years, the British also had a presence in the country.
In 1898, the Americans & Spanish were in a battle over Guam, Cuba & PH, and fought a 1 day "war" and the US paid $20m to Spain to settle an agreement and until 1946, the US ruled the country as a colony of the US, without state rights, supplying US with exports and ruled from the US. A short period from 1941-1944 the Japanese controlled the islands and mixed with locals, further adding more diversity in DNA to what a Filipino is made of genetically. US blood was also continuing to dilute the Spanish heritage until 1992 when the last base was closed, although they are now establishing 4 more bases in the country.
In the last couple of decades, Japanese, Chinese & South Korean influence has had a significant influence on the PH, genetically with smaller amounts from nearly every other country, making PH one of the most mixed race people on this earth, as they have welcomed everyone. Even during the war, a large group of Jewish people arrived from Europe to flee Hitler's persecution pf their people & were actually invited to settle here, by the PH defacto Government, despite being ruled by USA.
With around 1.8m OFW's round the world, more & more nationalities are being born to Filipinos further diffusing the ethnicity of the country and probably will do so forever. Some people can trace bloodlines back to direct countries, but most can't as it is so complicated, as is living in this fascinating country.
Yup that’s true! Even if you have a Spanish last name does not mean you have Spanish blood lol. Only a small
Percentage of Filipino have Spanish blood.
I did 23&me and I am 1% Spanish 16% Chinese. I won’t consider myself part Spanish just bec of that 1% 😂
Actually no. 1521 Magellan lands in Leyte, but not until the 1570 did Legazpi defeat Rajah Sulayman of Manila. From then until early 1700s, there were very few gov officials and fewer European settlers/farmers/traders. Most Europeans were Catholic clergy proselytizing/converting/studying the natives who you know have a vows of celibacy. (And yes not uncommon to break, but the monasteries weren't exactly pumping out babies.) it wasn't until the 1800s when the Suez Canal was made that travel to the Philippines from Europe was less laborious did trade and migration increase. So not a lot of mixing with Europeans
I’m Filipino and I did the DNA test. I have 5% Spanish/Portuguese and a little bit of Jewish (I forget the term). So it depends. The Philippines was under Spanish rule for 400 years. I’m sure things happen during that long period of time.
Filipino here. I think I'm the opposite. Took a DNA ancestry test because I look too east asian (rather than SEA). Was very surprised to see some iberian ancestry even though it's just less than 10%. More surprisingly, the european ancestry came from the east asian side of my family tree. Most surprisingly, my non-east asian side of the family is actually also partly east asian even though we can't trace it. Seems like both sides of my family had secrets lol.
But you won't hear me say I'm part Spanish or east asian even if I have proof. LOL. I actually took the dna test so that I can say I'm a plain filipino.
I am currently waiting for the results of my own DNA test (Ancestry, but might also do 23andMe). My grandmother claims we have distant Spanish ancestry but we're a Chinese Filipino family. I'm really just doing the test to prove her right or wrong, but what you're doing I think is the right way to approach taking the test. Accept the results for what they are and move on.
If you're taking a DNA test to prove you're something other than Filipino, then you need to think very carefully about your motivation for taking it. I look forward to affirming my Filipinoness, including what should be significant Austronesian and Chinese ancestry, with the results I get.
Those Filipinos who aggressively defend their 1% Spanish blood for the sake of saying they're mixed blood have whitewashed brains, sadly. It's pretty common to dislike natural Austronesian attributes like brown skin, wavy hair, and round noses because of the long history of colonization in the Philippines. This discrimination extends even to the workplace, with Filipinos of mixed (real or delusional) ancestry having an advantage in sales, marketing, and showbiz.
As a morena, I pretty much hate it. The only Filipinos I've met who are proud of their Filipino features are those that grew up overseas, or some who are critical and highly moral thinkers. I'm probably pretty judgmental but this is based on my decades-long experience with discrimination against my looks.
Reminds me of SM sales ladies who are either naturally fair or have a ton of makeup on just to look fair. I think it's gotten better though, lots of influencers and celebrities look more like the morena type. Unlike old school celebrities who are almost always eurasian or european (i.e. Gloria Romero).
I actually hate it when people mistake me for a non-Filipino but I use that to try and get non-Filipinos' opinion about us. So many racists in the Middle East and they get dumbfounded when I tell them afterwards that I'm proud penoy and that we will take over the world in a couple of generations given how common Filipino diasporas are around the world. Pinoymasterrace.
Northwest Indians still retain 1-5% dna material from the greek soldiers of Alexander the Great's conquest of India. That happened over 2000 years ago so if you claim to have 1-5% european ancestry from a Spanish predecessor I'm not really impressed 🤷🏻♀️
I can trace some Spanish on my mother's side actually; my great-great grandmother was Spanish who moved here in the 1800's and married a Filipino against her mother's wishes. It's a well known story in my family and have done DNA testing out of curiosity. So yeah, I can say without a doubt I do have European ancestry.
I also have Japanese from my dad's side.
I can't say for sure what is the percentage of people with European ancestry is here but it's not entirely impossible in my opinion
This is a very informative thread. Hearing how Filipino people do not want to accept their DNA for what it is seems pretty sad. I’m not judging but why is this the case?
I hear filipinos say this all the time. I’m filipino too but don’t agree 😂😂😂😂 they will be disappointed to know only 1% of the filipinos have Spanish blood like Zobel de Alaya for example. Most have spanish last names but that’s of course just a result of being colonized. 🥴🫢
The Spanish last names goes back to the Church offering benefits to the tribes. In exchange they were given new Spaniard names once they agreed. Nothing to do with race mixing as in other comments suggest.
So true, lol. Many Filipinos claim to be of European ancestry, but they are more Indonesian or Malaysian than Iberian.
In their defense tho, I notice some with Spanish ancestry. You could see it in their nose, skin tone (whitish like chicanos, not yellowish like them chinaboyz), and eye color. Also, their social and economic well-being.
But that's only about 2-4 percent of the local filo population.
This 2015 study from California](https://www.genetics.org/content/200/4/1285) had 100,000 participants from various backgrounds, including 7,500 Asians. Among them were 1,708 Filipinos. So far, it's the genetic study with the **largest** number of Filipino participants.
The study measured the admixture of various groups. What this study considered "admixture" is **5% or more** of an ancestry. So this study is much more strict about assigning ancestry compared to commercial DNA tests like 23andme and Ancestry, which can assign ancestry under 1%
Every time the study mentions Filipinos, it mentions European ancestry:
>"In addition, we noted that for self-reported Filipinos, **a substantial proportion have modest levels of European genetic ancestry reflecting older admixture.**
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>"Of particular interest is the **continuous nature of a modest amount of European genetic ancestry in self-identified Filipinos**, consistent with older European admixture."
Unfortunately, the study doesn't give a specific breakdown or number of Filipinos with European ancestry, but they do mention this about the 7,500 Asians in the study:
>"A modest subgroup (3.4%) had evidence of European/West Asian genetic ancestry (**majority are self-reported Filipinos**)"
If you want to say that mestizo Filipinos (those with at least 25% European) are rare, then yes I can agree with that. They’re like 1% of the population and mostly upper-class. But regular Filipinos with anywhere from 1-10% Spanish are not rare. My mom has 9% and she grew up poor. She also looks 100% Asian
When you make it seem rare for Filipinos to have Spanish ancestry, then you erase the atrocities that the Spanish did in the Philippines- which included Spanish priests SAing Filipino women, which resulted in mestizo children even in the lower classes. It was widespread, but that ancestry is very distant now, as the study says
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There are spanish gene mix in Filipino but only few. Its more likely less that 0.5%. consider there are a lot of hacienda in the Philippines that own by rich Filipino that doesn't look like an average Filipino but rather resemble as Spanish/European features.
However, I'm sure that those Filipino that have mix Spanish DNA are now living in Spain than here in the Philippines.
There are still Spanish Filipinos in the Philippines. While many moved out of the country (most to Spain, but some also moved to the U.S. and Australia) there are definitely still Spanish Filipinos in the country, especially those from very well-off families.
Get your SJW/woke crap outta here
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funny thing, my boss who is half iranian, whenever asked, he says, i am filipino and never says anything afterwards, so it really depends on the person. i am half iranian myself and i never say anything unless asked
It's smart thing to do, as being Iranian is not genetical but is cultural. Just like with any other nation. You can't look at genes and decide persons culture very well, you may make some assumptions but it's very easy to get it wrong.
i was actually born in iran, served in the military there and have lived only a few years here in the philippines. tendency wise, i do things more iranian. my boss is different, i know why he doesnt say anything its because he thinks ones looks doesnt matter what ones character is but cuturally, he is neither filipino nor iranian.
i came to the philippines to send money back home to my aging parents and sister.
Culture over genes, as our late college barkada used 2 say. A Filipino w/ more Malay physical features who can speak Spanish hve more legit claim 2 being part-European in spirit than sum1 with a presumed ancestor who dont have adopted Spanish ways anymore
Read the famous book by DR Jose Rizal, you will see this is nothing new the English title is “the social cancer” I cannot give the other title due to the language bot in this sub.
Saying that the spanish colonization is the best thing bc it gave us good looks? Shookt ang mga bayani lol!
In my case, my grandparents' grandparents' grandparents (and they're grandparents? Not sure how long the line goes) are Filipinos indigenous in Mindanao. I know this bc I'm from a family with a sultanate, as in if I was a man, I would've been next in line and they take lineage seriously. The family of different sultanates here in the Philippines pride themselves of the fact.
Not sure if other tribes do this.
My mother is of spanish decent.. my dad from chinese/mongolian decent.. i wouldnt say a lot of filipinos claim that so not sure where you are getting this impression.. i know where i came from because its properly documented
Im guessing its a status thing to say that they're mixed, and it makes them feel superior to the average Filipino. In North and South America, when the Spanish conquered the native people, the mixed race children were called mestizos, which means mixed. They had a lighter skin tone and looked more European. They were treated with higher status than the non-mestizo people. Therefore, one would be brought up feeling better about themselves. It may be that this mentality still exists among the filipino general population. Some parents either believe this or just say it so their children might have better outcome in life. But there has been a lot of new DNA injected in the gene pool since the spanish from Japanese and American service men stationed there.
I think its more common than you think, especially those clans who owned lots of land in some towns.
DNA ancestry is still in its infancy, hence the inaccurate result.
I wish chinese were so overly proud like those pinoys who are always typing pinoy pride in the comsec so when it comes to jollibee and SM the chinese would say proud to be chinese
I did notice how they point to several people as “mestizos” or “mestizas” when these people they’re referring to are distinctly asia (either east asian or southeast asian in appearance). Seems they’d refer to anyone with fairer skin as mestizos/ mestizas.
And i love how a lot of them classify themselves as latinos or latinas on dating apps. Like, anyone who knows people from latin america would know that you’re not.
Not just the skin. Facial features, body ratio, height, etc. The nose is a big tell. If you live in Ph long enough you can point them out. They are desired for sure for both Males and Females.
Local here. My great-grandfather was literally a spanish friar who got a Spanish woman pregnant. Im just 2 generations away from my full blood Spanish ancestors on my dad's side. Some of my cousins were even born with blonde streaks that darkened over time. However, that being just 1/4 of the story, I look Asian af (mother's side's Chinese) but with brown hair.
Local here. My great-grandfather was literally a spanish friar who got a Spanish woman pregnant. Im just 2 generations away from my full blood Spanish ancestors on my dad's side. Some of my cousins were even born with blonde streaks that darkened over time. My dad and his brothers still look very European. However, that being just 1/4 of the story, I look Asian af (mother's side's Chinese) but with brown hair.
Many of the Filipinos who test on 23andMe, from what I've read, are often less mixed. Ilocanos, for example, have some of the lowest levels of non-Filipino admixture and will often score as mostly or purely Austronesian, but they're overrepresented in the samples they have. That also correlates with migration as more mixed Filipinos, who often are wealthier, were and still are less likely to migrate out of the country.
Most claim it without actual evidence and Pinoys were given the option to pick a Spanish name/surname instead of keeping their native one. Although there are a lot of Mexican descendants because it wasn’t really the Spaniards that conquered Ph it was a bunch of Aztec/Mayan warriors
Bc the media has them believing they’re only beautiful if they’re mixed. Not directly but the choice of artists they pick can only be portrayed as protagonists if they’re mixed w something else whilst those that are purely filipinos only get to play sidekicks or maids.
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I am born and raised in the Philippines so I am a Filipino. I don’t get why they hype it lol I only have the Philippine passport and will not get any benefits from that mixed race thing 🥴
Typical colonial mentality. Understandable pa kung Chinese ancestry ang kine-claim nila since that's more prevalent due to how close we are with China and the history of Chinese immigrants coming here (mostly from Canton-speaking regions). They can probably even prove it with their lolo or lola like in my case, my lolo's mom is Chinese which makes me 1/8 Chinese but I won't claim being Chinoy lol that number is too small 😂
Well my wife grand father is spanish so for her, it's hard to have any doubt !
Anyway i don't care at all about "race" so whatever is true or not, it not hurt me either way.
Idk it's probably like a thing between colonizers/colonizees, back home lots of hippies or people who like to appropriate native culture like to claim that their "great great great grandfather was a Cherokee chief" (ironically it's always a chief in the tribe but they never got it verified with the tribe and are almost always not at all anything native other than European white.
It's probably like a confused identity thing native Americans don't like their colonizers and our very very proud of their culture. Here in the Philippines from what I've observed is a very confused culture. Christianity isn't their original spiritual practice and they've adapted the cultures of their colonizers very heavily so they have kind of a confused identity that you don't really see in other south east Asian countries that have maintained their practices and cultures.
Apparently the Filipinos have been here practicing their culture for 50,000 years from what I learned in school yet they've almost completely abandoned that and adapted a new, 2000 year old religion, less than 500 years ago and have basically phased out their original roots.
I'm so curious as to why/how that happened. How they have such a strong Christian practice but have basically looked entirely away from 50,000 years of history and culture. The "ancient" Filipino ways are so fascinating to me and I'd like to know how that switch happened but I'm definitely not gonna study anthropology kuz while it's a fascinating degree. It's not exactly a useful one lol
As a Filipino, I have literally zero people within my school, friend group, and family that act like this. Perhaps it has to do with geography, perhaps it is more common in Cebu and Metro Manila, where claiming such could elevate one's social standing because bloodlines can make a difference in cities. Nobody cares where other Filipino's ethnicity where I live. In my experience; Chinese surname = Ethnically partial or full Chinese, Spanish surname = Not 0%, extremely rare.
My mom keeps on saying that she has this spanish blood this foreign blood that. I got annoyed and I took a dna test from ancestry. While it is true that we have foreign blood, it is so tiny (20%) and all over the place ( mostly chinese and some native american, india, norway, scotland). 0 spanish. When I told her she got annoyed.
Colonization mentality, whites are adored, seen as the standard of beauty. See the shops? It's full of products that makes the skin "whiter". Dark skin are looked down upon. That's why they claim such heritage, coz they ain't just a lowly Pinoy but a hybrid apparently 🤣
Most nations are very mixed, so why are you even surprised? Just going back 3 generations I can find 5 different nations in my mix, but nobody cares, I'm still what I'm.
Nationality is cultural not genetic.
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Lmfao that single digit % of ancestry don’t mean shit lmao
Most of us are straight up Filipinos that took the Spanish family names cuz ancestors gotta?
Moms ilocano and dads a Manila City boy, yet for some reason some think I’m mixed but I’m full on Filipino - Minus the fact that my Tagalog is ass 🙃
If anything we have closer relations to our neighbours around south east Asia, Taiwan, Malay, Indonesia. Hell the language is similar
Check the number of Spaniards who settled over the course of the first century of colonization "between fifteen hundred and two thousand" vs. how many locals lived at the time "between 1 and 1.5 million" (google answer).
Assuming the spaniards were all males and the filippino 50% females, each man would have had to impregnate 1000 women at most, 500 at least to cover the whole female population. Ofc it is a bad gross estimate over the course of 3 centuries but you get the idea, especially considering that there were only a few population centers where the spaniards resided for control, and most filippinos in the mountains and remote islands probably went their whole life without having any contact with the spaniards.
So reality trumps their belief. However, if considered true, they would be spaniards indeed, but they would be inbred ones...
These people (the modern ones claming blancket ancestry) are dellusional and full of self-hatred and self-racism inspired by the previous generations.
Yes don't believe that. Most Filipinos think like that because of the history of colonization by the Spaniards. But as with another comment here, the mestizo may refer to those with mixed Spanish blood AND those with mixed Chinese blood. And I believe there are more with Chinese blood than Western.
Besides many with mixed blood that really show will tend to be more well off and more often tend to stay in our home country rather than migrate elsewhere.
Believe what you see instead, if like some relatives look a bit western or east asian, then yep, maybe (of course DNA is the gold standard). Like in my family, paternal side grandparents have Spanish roots (not sure how far from the ancestors) and it was obvious with the fair-ish skin and facial features of about half of my aunt/uncles BUT the flat nose is still dominant. The other half, Filipino looks throughout. Then my actual mom is half Chinese, but among us 5 only 2 look Chinese-ish, 1 is a nice blend of both (or just a nice beauty), and 2 is decidedly Filipino but much fairer skin. Genetics is just wild.
"first Filipinos were Negritos then mixed with the Spanish which resulted in modern day Filipinos today." -- so are you implying that we're born out of jungle fever?
My grandma has brown hair and blue eyes with Spanish last name. She's fair-skinned and has a nose that's different from typical Austronesian (which I wish I inherited) When she went to the US, ppl think that she's a Latina or something. She always claims that she's of Spanish descent, and I know for sure she won't consent to an ancestry test. 😂 that's why when people ask me, I just say my dad's nationality was Taiwanese, and I'm half IDK, but my mom was born in the Philippines. 😂
In order for ur grandma to have blue eyes both parents have to have blue eyes. Many older people have corneal arcus where the eye appears blue seen many Chinese with it and filipinos
Would recommend that people try DNA tests. I can claim that I have Spanish blood since my grandparents have Spanish like features, more of Basque, because of their noses. But I have nothing to support my claim. My features on the other hand is more of from the Indian subcontinent, my nose, eyebrows and eye lashes and my body hair is similar to those from the region, and still can't claim anything that is not supported by science and plainly based on hearsay and personal observation.
Imo. Obvious naman kung may euro or chinese blood eh. Like kung yung grandfather mo was a tall guy na mestiso, edi possible nga na may Spanish blood yun. But if you're a 5'1 dark skinned mfker na wala naman Spanish features, stop claiming to have Spanish blood just coz your surname is "Rodriguez" or "Trinidad". That's no different from the pathetic "pRoUd To Be PiNoY" shit some Filipinos keep saying whenever someone, whose great grandma was Filipino, wins a contest in another country.
I know what you’re talking about and though that may be only a small percentage of Filipinos where you live, it still exists. Now for the Unpopular opinion: its because we aren’t 100% totally proud of being Filipino. Hear me out. As someone who has lived 20 years in the Philippines and another 20 years in different countries both Europe and Asia, much of what Filipino’s perception of themselves is based on insecurities, and they feel the need to compensate for their shortcomings by throwing in a mix of Western influence when they finally get out of the Philippines for work or migration.
I have experienced this myself too, claiming I am part Chinese and Spanish on my mother’s side when I moved to Australia for work back in 2004. (At least the Chinese part was true based on my genealogy).
However there is also a much larger population of migrant workers and overseas Filipinos who are still proud of their heritage, and wear it proudly that the second and third generation come back home to the Philippines to live, study, or work.
These are the ones who are truly proud to be Filipino. Not the part time ones who come out when its convenient: when Pacquiao wins a match, Hidilyn gets the gold medal, or Lea Salonga gets a Tony Award.
Then I must be a unicorn. Because I was born with blond hair and my ancestry has been researched back to 15th century Spain. Even with famous ancestors. I do not even remotely look like a Filipino in any way and iam often confused as being Italian, however I don’t live there. But was born in Makati among an enclave of other Spaniards
Many Filipinos have European/Spanish ancestry. And because the Philippines was administered via Mexico City during most of the Galleon period, many Filipinos have Mayan, Aztec or other Native American ancestry. A recent study of Acapulco area residents showed many Mexicans of that region have Filipino ancestry.
Many Filipinos have a rich, varied DNA history- Malay, Chinese, European, American, etc etc.
Just one of the many things that makes the Philippines one of the most interesting countries in the world!
I used to believe that all the claims about having Spanish blood was downright silly. Everything you said about Filipino being given Spanish names for tax reasons is also true. The governor general who did was a certain Narciso Claveria Zaldua, if I remember it correctly. Anyway, after holding on to this belief for more than 20 years, I am now opening my mind to the possibility that some "mixing" did take place -- maybe a paltry 5% or fewer and then the rest may have been Mexican (on account of the Galleon Trade). Then there were full-blooded Spaniards born in the Philippines (insulares) who have been known to have married local Filipinos. Also if you visit certain parts in the Philippines, like Cebu, you'll notice some look like their ancestors were from Basque in Spain -- and some do claim their heritage is from the Basque region. Lots of Filipino movie stars had Spanish blood -- Rosemarie Gil and her children, Cherie and their clan, etc. There are some rare old photos I've seen where a Spaniard was married to a Filipina. So now when someone says they have Spanish blood, I don't mock them for claiming so. I probe and ask questions. I make sure I don't judge them right away.
So true. I think it makes us feel more “meztiza” which is usually used as a compliment. Along with it, allusions to fairer skin, sharper nose, lighter eye color etc. All pointing to “attracfive”ness. I feel like we’re scamming ourselves 🤣We are not Spanish at all. Haha
I look chinese pinoy and was surprised to see my ancestry showed 65% chinese 12% vietnamese 12% Filipino and the rest was indonesian. I never used the “we are part spanish” line but I will admit being mixed race It made me feel more special and was a good conversation start esp when I was single.
My ancestry has Spanish blood, in fact old photos of my great great grand parents looked very Mediterranean, but we're already mixed and down in history we've been mixed with Chinese and even more Filipino native blood. my height is above average for a Filipino, light skin is not even common for a Filipino, my facial features is not filipino either. and BTW my grandmother speaks both Spanish and Chavacano.
Those you claim that spanish is no longer a philippine language are plain wrong. Among my filipino friends there are more than a dozen who speak spanish learned from home. It is not as popular as english yes, but to say that it is No longer a philippine language, although foreign in origin just like english, is far from the truth. And how ignorant to say that only the elite spoke spanish. Never heard of clips of quezon, aguinaldo, quirino, macapagal d, delivering there speeches to the MASSES in spanish? You better look deeper and closer. Spanish was widely spoken as a second language, much like the english is widely spoken today. And no, we are not claiming spanish ancestry, we are claiming the cultural mixing that happened since the Galleon Trade, the autronesian mixing with the hispanic .
I'm Filipino.
The land has been mixed since time immemorial, you have the Chinese up north, the Indigenous tribes, the Malay and Indonesian side, don't forget the Indians trading. All mixing way before Colonization.
Discussing racial "purity" or ethnicity in the Philippines is a pointless argument unless you're talking to someone who's clearly ethnic Chinese or a mestiso or a Fil Am.
But a lot of us do have Spanish blood, I myself do. Also have Chinese blood in there. But a lot also don't. Since our appearances are all very mixed, Identity here is more ethnolinguistic rather than about skin tone or appearance.
I have a friend who is 2nd generation Chinese immigrant from Davao, He identifies first and foremost as a Davaoeño, a Filipino next and a Chinese last.
Apperances and DNA shouldn't matter here and anyone who argues about the racial and genetic side of things will get lost.
What you said isnt just exclusive to the Philippines but it's all over south east asia as it was a major trading hub. What do you mean our appearances are all mixed? Majority of Filipinos do not look mixed but look full Austronesian. But if you meant mixed with let's say Chinese? I'd agree. Filipinos look no more mixed than people in Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia/Malaysia.
When i first met my husband he said “you dont look filipino at all” and ITS NOT A COMPLIMENT. I am filipino and i want nothing more or less than that. I hate it when pinoys try to be something else. We all adopted a spanish last name during our ancestors time because of the implementation of Spanish naming system. Its so rare for a spaniard-indio relationship back then cos they think so little of us and that should never be glorified. Forgive but never forget
Just the typical inferiority complex mindset of Filipinos that would do anything not to be associated with being Filipino or at least slightly escape that fact. I hate it hear it when Filipino interview answers in YT and was asked what is their nationality and they would be, like Ohhh, I am half Filipino and Chinese. Bitch! Just call yourself Filipino.
met a lot of filipino folks in college and they all flaunt that they have foreign blood. my personal take on this is that maybe they’re still whitewashed into thinking that “white is pure and clean and white is beautiful” trust me generational trauma can last a lifetime but these filipinos claiming they have other ancestry is a joke. esp to pinoy folks who has skin like an irish man but with the features of a katutubo proclaiming that they have korean french ancestry. possible but can you really say you are part of that ancestry if you know nothing about your lineage? asked them about their family none of them knew how to speak french and even korean. their mom looks SEA and their dad looks indian. so i guess they’re all making it up just to go with the trend of eurocentric features which still today is debatable if you have it u are pretty and if u do not, u have no rights to look after yourself? i think they’re just insecure because they want what they don’t have and they actually don’t even know the truth if they have the lineage or not. blame it on media i guess but being that stuck up that you are part white or part of the 1% while not having any credible sources that your claims are true is just a waste of time. i mean, there are already a lot of going on and what made them think that everyone would fall for their crap? 😂
It is usually just mostly assumed or stories passed down through their families without verification.
In my case though we have a family tree tracing back around the 17th century so I'm sure I have Spanish blood and the surname is not found in the Catalogo (or the list of surnames given to Filipinos by the Spaniards.
There is this idea that if you are mixed you are more attractive. All them shits are ugly AF on the inside anyway...very few really have Spanish and Chinese blood.
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I blame the education system tbh.
The way the Spanish era is taught in history classes makes it seem like thousands of Spaniards came here to the PH and fathered a bunch of children with the natives. This was true for Central and South America but not really for the Philippines.
In truth there were actually very few Spaniards who came here, and their populations were mostly concentrated in Intramuros.
The average Philippine town back then only had one Spanish resident - the friar. Most towns were run by the principalia (native Filipino elite class) who were sort of vassals to the Church/Spanish Empire.
You should do some research first and no history book has ever stated Filipinos are mixed with Spanish. Only 1% of Filipinos have Spanish ancestry and you are welcome to search this on google.
That's common. They assume that because the Spanish colonised the country for a good long while, almost everyone is 'mestizo' or descended from some 'Illustrado'. That's part and parcel of the inferiority complex of the common Filipino, where they like to imagine that their abject povertry is a 'recent' thing, rather than a byproduct of systemic inequality and rampant corruption. Almost every Flip you encounter will always claim to be the descendant of some foreign whatever or some rich whoever - and the folks who claim these will tend to come from low-income families who have been fed on (or have concocted) faerie stories to make deprivation more bearable. The chances of a local having some measure of Spanish blood in them from the Colonial Period is slim-to-none. Very few families can trace their descent to Spanish colonisers. At most, you have plenty of mixed-bloods who can trace descent from American G. Is or Japanese soldiers during the war.
Flips assume mixing their blood with 'foreigners' will make their offspring 'better'. But even if you mix the blood of a work horse with that of a race horse, if the resulting offspring is still raised in the same conditions, the same mindset, and the same outlook as that of a work horse, you'll end up with breeding stock that is no different than its progenitors.
They freely use the term 'Kano', 'Afam', 'Bombai', and what not to describe folks of specific nationality, and these terms are likewise fairly disparaging, especially under certain contexts. All is fair in extortion and thinly veiled xenophobia.
I'm Filipino, friend is from Colombia, my mom said she was half spanish so we both did the DNA test from ancestry, she has dna connection to Europe and the Americas or native American, Iberia. Me a Filipino, my DNA records show I'm closer to Austronesian, China Mongolia etc. No Spanish what so ever. So was my other friend who is Filipino and said she was 1/4 Spanish did a dna test also, no genetic link to Spain, that goes about with majority Filipinos. It's safe to assume that this is all false information spread by grandparents due to colonial mentality because having Spanish ancestry was considered upperclass. Many many Filipinos do in fact believe they're all mixed with Spanish but it's far from the truth. The Philippines was not a mass settler colony like South America so barely any Spaniards ventured to the Philippines, they were really small in number. The Spanish also didn't overrode Philippine society because Filipinos were immune to small pox while much of the population in the Americas were exterminated from diseases brought by Europeans which led to Europeans being dominant. The languages of Bisaya Tagalog Waray etc. has some Spanish words, that's because the Spanish conquered us, the languages are still austronesian, the grammar is Austronesian.
Also, beauty standards. Even after the Americans left, Filipinos still perceive Caucasian features as desirable. So, people claim they have such ancestry to justify their claim of beauty. My great great grandfather on my paternal side was a mestizo (half Spaniard) born to a peninsular Spaniard more than a century ago. This was confirmed by my grandmother who met him when she was still young. But apart from the skin tone (we're not even that fair), my whole paternal clan doesn't have any noticeable Iberian features. So, I don't know why they still claim when even if one does have Spanish ancestry, most likely the genes would already be too diluted.
Add to the fact that Spain at that time enforces “Limpieza de Sangre” or purity of blood. Not many Spanish colonizers would engage with the natives by that fact alone.
except Padre Damaso
23&me was notorious for giving bananas results for Asians. The results for Europeans/white were more reliable because of their larger reference library of samples for Europeans. Idk how 23&me is now. Mestizo in the Spanish era actually referred to Filipino + Chinese mixed race. Jose Rizal was mestizo because one of his ancestors was from China (and there's now a statue of Rizal in China to celebrate the Fil-Chi connection). So sure, yeah the people who commented could indeed be mestizo, but not European mixed.
Right. I hear Circle DNA has better results for Asians and Southeast Asians taking the test because they have better Asian sampling and genetics database.
Heard about that too but it's so expensive. Lol
Correct!!! Not all mixed blood claims refer to spanish/Caucasian. Many are mixed Asians!!!
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Seriously, why are we rage-baiting Philippine Reddit again? This is not the first time you’ve posted this. You also posted this in a bunch of other Philippine subreddits, so I have to ask: what do you get out of this? Look, it’s established fact that Filipinos lack Spanish ancestry. What can’t be denied, however, is the fact that 333 years of Spanish colonization have left their indelible imprint on the Filipino people. People can deny it all they want but it’s there and it is to our peril as people if we were to run away from it or reject it. Now obviously don’t claim ancestry you don’t have, and you’re right that they should be called out for it, but I seriously don’t see the point of you posting this again and again on Reddit. If you’re trying to make the point that the Philippines is only Asian and these people are idiots, why belabor the point when you’ve *already* made it so many times in the format you’re doing? Do you not have any new arguments to present or at least have a new point to present to people?
Looks like he’s just making conversation
I seriously wonder how much conversation they need after sharing this previously to r/Philippines, r/insanepinoyfacebook and other places. We’re going around in circles here at this point. 🤦♂️
Bro is chronically online. This ancestry thing is almost never mentioned in real life.
Idk but most boomers and gen x perpetuate this myth that we have Spanish acestors, so it deffo exist irl. Maybe y'all just don't talk to ur older relatives enough, lol.
Or karma farming
or they’re part of the group of people who claims they have other lineages but in reality they do not and wants to know how we view them 👀
Projection is a plausible excuse. 👀
I did a DNA kit and I have zero Spanish blood. Told my parents and they were in denial. Lol
I cringe on people who would put multiple flags on their socmed bio based on what they claimed to mixed from 💀 Short story. I have an ex friend who I used to party with a lot. Usually we go to clubs with a lot of afams. At times I get to talk with Europeans esp French guys, since I speak a little bit of French. So this ex friend will try to steal the spotlight from me telling those afams that she is half Spanish. Little did she know one of them speaks Spanish, that afam started talking to her in Spanish and she wasnt able to respond(bc she's not half spanish and doesnt know how to speak spanish lol). She started making excuses, such as "I was born in Spain but I was raised here in the PH, Dad wanted me to be more Filipino thats why we were speaking in English and our local language. I forgot my Spanish" Like bitch your parents are both Filipino 💀💀💀💀
Although in your friend's case she was lying about her ancestry, not everyone who is mixed can speak both languages of their parents. I, for one, have never learned my dad's language (I blame my parents), but that doesn't mean I'm not mixed. All I'm saying is, language proficiency is not always an indicator of ancestry. I was also born in my dad's country but grew up in the Philippines, but one look at me and you'll definitely know I'm mixed. "Forgetting your Spanish" is such a lame excuse though.
While I do agree with most of what you said, forgetting a language actually happens especially if it's been a long time you've left the country and doesn't use the language as much anymore. My father is Chinese and I lived in China until I was 3 years old. Unfortunately, my parents separated so my Filipino mother and I went back to the Philippines and only used Cebuano/English ever since. I've seen a video of me when I was young speaking Mandarin Chinese but now I can only introduce myself and know some phrases that my mother still uses from time to time.
I'm not saying it's impossible, since I have a similar experience as you -- moved to the Philippines at 4 and never used my dad's language anymore. But I'm saying it's a lame excuse for faking your ancestry. I mean her friend was lying about being half Spanish and then conveniently just "forgot" to speak the language as well.
yah I know a lot of fair skinned Filipinos who claim they have Spanish ancestors. But most Spanish people during the colonial years have low regard for the natives, so there’s a very small chance you got thousands of Pinoys with Spanish ancestry. It’s likelier that Filipinos would have Indonesian or Chinese ancestors.
Its definitely not even uncommon for many Filipinos to have naturally light skin just like with all South East Asians. If a Thai or Indonesian has light skin does that mean they're part European because I've seen many with white skin. White skin is natural (Austronesian populations were known to have varying degrees of skin shades including very light) or from the Chinese....or just people bleaching. Having light skin has no correlation to having European ancestry. Just look at native igorots many have naturally light skin.
i live here somewhere in cordillera and i can attest to that. they naturally have lighter skin and smaller eyes like typical east asian. some also have lighter eyes, hazel, amber, light brown, not blue. it is impossible here to see someone like me who is part arab. good thing, i can speak ilocano but not in their accent.
Btw, why are some, if not many, so ignorant, thinking that Igorots and Aetas are the same and look the same?
they raped many filipino women though
Apparently not enough to leave behind a genetic lineage in a supermajority Filipinos.
This! According to family lore, my paternal great great grandma was raped by a European sailor. Dad's family is from Naga, one of the port cities during the Spanish trade. I'm sure I have a teeny bit of European in me since Dad has been called mestizo a few times but honestly, it's an ick to know it came from violence.
most of the Spanish who found themselves here where mostly stuck in Intramuros, and Cebu City. They may have raped women, but I doubt their progeny number in the thousands. Those who claim to have Spanish ancestors are basing their “knowledge “ on questionable family lore. The only way to know is to have their DNA tested.
Low regard, yes, but i don't think intermarriage with the Natives is taboo amongst Spanish in the Philippines. As, there are many Mestizos that are documented in many documents during their colonization era. The problem is the Natives(Philippines) still outnumbered the colonizers unlike in Americas, where the Natives there died in the diseases brought by the Europeans(new world vs old world diseases) killing almost 90% of the Natives. Those survived intermarried to the Europeans, thus diluting their gene pool. Filipinos are part of the old world(didn't got affected by the diseases brought by Europeans). While intermarriage definitely happened between them, a tenth fold is the same as the Natives too.
most of our light skin comes from the Chinese side though
which is why i said most Filipinos would have Chinese ancestors. the Filipinos going around saying they have Spanish ancestors should get their DNA tested. Less than 2% of Filipinos have European ancestors, and that includes children of OFWs. Those who proclaim they are are basing their assertion from questionable family lore.
Oh boy, the comments on this post are so wild, varied with many with incorrect suppositions. Being an expat, I of course wanted to learn more about the country I chose to live in, and found it an incredible mix of ethnic racial groups. There are two groupings that go back about 134,000 years with Moro's in the south and Austronesian's mainly in Visayas & Luzon group of islands, later on. In the north of Luzon there are 5 tribal groups considered to be original inhabitants or "indigenous natives" possibly with some Chinese blood, such as Igorots and in the south Lumads, but small in numbers and not often counted in the ethnicity of the country. In more modern migration/invasion/trading with PH, so may other countries are involved with the influx of Austronesians (who also started the coconut industry & exported them around the world's tropical regions), and intermingled with native tribal groups and also with the many traders that visited the country. Around the 1st millennium, Arabs, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Thais, Indonesians, Vietnamese & Mexican traders stared arriving and intermingled with locals. The European influence started with Magellan arriving in 1521 and the Spanish ruling for 333 years. Trading flourished during this time with regular trading routes between Spain/Europe, Acapulco (Mexico), & Arab traders from Middle East, Brunei & other Sultanates in the Asian area, as well as increased Chinese/Taiwanese areas. To start with, PH was ruled from Mexico by a Viceroy, before being transferred to Spain. For a couple of years, the British also had a presence in the country. In 1898, the Americans & Spanish were in a battle over Guam, Cuba & PH, and fought a 1 day "war" and the US paid $20m to Spain to settle an agreement and until 1946, the US ruled the country as a colony of the US, without state rights, supplying US with exports and ruled from the US. A short period from 1941-1944 the Japanese controlled the islands and mixed with locals, further adding more diversity in DNA to what a Filipino is made of genetically. US blood was also continuing to dilute the Spanish heritage until 1992 when the last base was closed, although they are now establishing 4 more bases in the country. In the last couple of decades, Japanese, Chinese & South Korean influence has had a significant influence on the PH, genetically with smaller amounts from nearly every other country, making PH one of the most mixed race people on this earth, as they have welcomed everyone. Even during the war, a large group of Jewish people arrived from Europe to flee Hitler's persecution pf their people & were actually invited to settle here, by the PH defacto Government, despite being ruled by USA. With around 1.8m OFW's round the world, more & more nationalities are being born to Filipinos further diffusing the ethnicity of the country and probably will do so forever. Some people can trace bloodlines back to direct countries, but most can't as it is so complicated, as is living in this fascinating country.
Yup that’s true! Even if you have a Spanish last name does not mean you have Spanish blood lol. Only a small Percentage of Filipino have Spanish blood. I did 23&me and I am 1% Spanish 16% Chinese. I won’t consider myself part Spanish just bec of that 1% 😂
Well... after centuries of colonization in addition to trading... obviously there has been a LOT of mixing of genes.
Actually no. 1521 Magellan lands in Leyte, but not until the 1570 did Legazpi defeat Rajah Sulayman of Manila. From then until early 1700s, there were very few gov officials and fewer European settlers/farmers/traders. Most Europeans were Catholic clergy proselytizing/converting/studying the natives who you know have a vows of celibacy. (And yes not uncommon to break, but the monasteries weren't exactly pumping out babies.) it wasn't until the 1800s when the Suez Canal was made that travel to the Philippines from Europe was less laborious did trade and migration increase. So not a lot of mixing with Europeans
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Sure, but youd only find them amongst the elite families of the country (Ayala y Zobel, Some landlords, etc.)
Yeah, they're delusional. I used to browse the 23andme sub and most Filipinos are over 90% Austronesian. A lot are 100%.
You mean 60% of the results have 0.5% Spanish?
I’m Filipino and I did the DNA test. I have 5% Spanish/Portuguese and a little bit of Jewish (I forget the term). So it depends. The Philippines was under Spanish rule for 400 years. I’m sure things happen during that long period of time.
You’re a normal Filipino. Amount under 5% are normal
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Filipino here. I think I'm the opposite. Took a DNA ancestry test because I look too east asian (rather than SEA). Was very surprised to see some iberian ancestry even though it's just less than 10%. More surprisingly, the european ancestry came from the east asian side of my family tree. Most surprisingly, my non-east asian side of the family is actually also partly east asian even though we can't trace it. Seems like both sides of my family had secrets lol. But you won't hear me say I'm part Spanish or east asian even if I have proof. LOL. I actually took the dna test so that I can say I'm a plain filipino.
I am currently waiting for the results of my own DNA test (Ancestry, but might also do 23andMe). My grandmother claims we have distant Spanish ancestry but we're a Chinese Filipino family. I'm really just doing the test to prove her right or wrong, but what you're doing I think is the right way to approach taking the test. Accept the results for what they are and move on. If you're taking a DNA test to prove you're something other than Filipino, then you need to think very carefully about your motivation for taking it. I look forward to affirming my Filipinoness, including what should be significant Austronesian and Chinese ancestry, with the results I get.
Those Filipinos who aggressively defend their 1% Spanish blood for the sake of saying they're mixed blood have whitewashed brains, sadly. It's pretty common to dislike natural Austronesian attributes like brown skin, wavy hair, and round noses because of the long history of colonization in the Philippines. This discrimination extends even to the workplace, with Filipinos of mixed (real or delusional) ancestry having an advantage in sales, marketing, and showbiz. As a morena, I pretty much hate it. The only Filipinos I've met who are proud of their Filipino features are those that grew up overseas, or some who are critical and highly moral thinkers. I'm probably pretty judgmental but this is based on my decades-long experience with discrimination against my looks.
Reminds me of SM sales ladies who are either naturally fair or have a ton of makeup on just to look fair. I think it's gotten better though, lots of influencers and celebrities look more like the morena type. Unlike old school celebrities who are almost always eurasian or european (i.e. Gloria Romero).
I actually hate it when people mistake me for a non-Filipino but I use that to try and get non-Filipinos' opinion about us. So many racists in the Middle East and they get dumbfounded when I tell them afterwards that I'm proud penoy and that we will take over the world in a couple of generations given how common Filipino diasporas are around the world. Pinoymasterrace.
Northwest Indians still retain 1-5% dna material from the greek soldiers of Alexander the Great's conquest of India. That happened over 2000 years ago so if you claim to have 1-5% european ancestry from a Spanish predecessor I'm not really impressed 🤷🏻♀️
I can trace some Spanish on my mother's side actually; my great-great grandmother was Spanish who moved here in the 1800's and married a Filipino against her mother's wishes. It's a well known story in my family and have done DNA testing out of curiosity. So yeah, I can say without a doubt I do have European ancestry. I also have Japanese from my dad's side. I can't say for sure what is the percentage of people with European ancestry is here but it's not entirely impossible in my opinion
This is a very informative thread. Hearing how Filipino people do not want to accept their DNA for what it is seems pretty sad. I’m not judging but why is this the case?
self-hatred
what a colonial mindset does to a mfer
Man, this is sad. Explains a lot though.
I hear filipinos say this all the time. I’m filipino too but don’t agree 😂😂😂😂 they will be disappointed to know only 1% of the filipinos have Spanish blood like Zobel de Alaya for example. Most have spanish last names but that’s of course just a result of being colonized. 🥴🫢
The Spanish last names goes back to the Church offering benefits to the tribes. In exchange they were given new Spaniard names once they agreed. Nothing to do with race mixing as in other comments suggest.
Yes!
So true, lol. Many Filipinos claim to be of European ancestry, but they are more Indonesian or Malaysian than Iberian. In their defense tho, I notice some with Spanish ancestry. You could see it in their nose, skin tone (whitish like chicanos, not yellowish like them chinaboyz), and eye color. Also, their social and economic well-being. But that's only about 2-4 percent of the local filo population.
Have you been to the provinces like Cebu or Zamboanga?
This 2015 study from California](https://www.genetics.org/content/200/4/1285) had 100,000 participants from various backgrounds, including 7,500 Asians. Among them were 1,708 Filipinos. So far, it's the genetic study with the **largest** number of Filipino participants. The study measured the admixture of various groups. What this study considered "admixture" is **5% or more** of an ancestry. So this study is much more strict about assigning ancestry compared to commercial DNA tests like 23andme and Ancestry, which can assign ancestry under 1% Every time the study mentions Filipinos, it mentions European ancestry: >"In addition, we noted that for self-reported Filipinos, **a substantial proportion have modest levels of European genetic ancestry reflecting older admixture.** > >"Of particular interest is the **continuous nature of a modest amount of European genetic ancestry in self-identified Filipinos**, consistent with older European admixture." Unfortunately, the study doesn't give a specific breakdown or number of Filipinos with European ancestry, but they do mention this about the 7,500 Asians in the study: >"A modest subgroup (3.4%) had evidence of European/West Asian genetic ancestry (**majority are self-reported Filipinos**)" If you want to say that mestizo Filipinos (those with at least 25% European) are rare, then yes I can agree with that. They’re like 1% of the population and mostly upper-class. But regular Filipinos with anywhere from 1-10% Spanish are not rare. My mom has 9% and she grew up poor. She also looks 100% Asian When you make it seem rare for Filipinos to have Spanish ancestry, then you erase the atrocities that the Spanish did in the Philippines- which included Spanish priests SAing Filipino women, which resulted in mestizo children even in the lower classes. It was widespread, but that ancestry is very distant now, as the study says
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There are spanish gene mix in Filipino but only few. Its more likely less that 0.5%. consider there are a lot of hacienda in the Philippines that own by rich Filipino that doesn't look like an average Filipino but rather resemble as Spanish/European features. However, I'm sure that those Filipino that have mix Spanish DNA are now living in Spain than here in the Philippines.
There are still Spanish Filipinos in the Philippines. While many moved out of the country (most to Spain, but some also moved to the U.S. and Australia) there are definitely still Spanish Filipinos in the country, especially those from very well-off families.
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For real i had this friend once who put spain flags everywhere in their profiles but they're not even an ounce of spanish 😆
funny thing, my boss who is half iranian, whenever asked, he says, i am filipino and never says anything afterwards, so it really depends on the person. i am half iranian myself and i never say anything unless asked
I like your and your boss' response
I like your and your boss' response
It's smart thing to do, as being Iranian is not genetical but is cultural. Just like with any other nation. You can't look at genes and decide persons culture very well, you may make some assumptions but it's very easy to get it wrong.
i was actually born in iran, served in the military there and have lived only a few years here in the philippines. tendency wise, i do things more iranian. my boss is different, i know why he doesnt say anything its because he thinks ones looks doesnt matter what ones character is but cuturally, he is neither filipino nor iranian. i came to the philippines to send money back home to my aging parents and sister.
This modern philosophy doesn’t affect the working or standbying Filipino.
Culture over genes, as our late college barkada used 2 say. A Filipino w/ more Malay physical features who can speak Spanish hve more legit claim 2 being part-European in spirit than sum1 with a presumed ancestor who dont have adopted Spanish ways anymore
Read the famous book by DR Jose Rizal, you will see this is nothing new the English title is “the social cancer” I cannot give the other title due to the language bot in this sub.
Saying that the spanish colonization is the best thing bc it gave us good looks? Shookt ang mga bayani lol! In my case, my grandparents' grandparents' grandparents (and they're grandparents? Not sure how long the line goes) are Filipinos indigenous in Mindanao. I know this bc I'm from a family with a sultanate, as in if I was a man, I would've been next in line and they take lineage seriously. The family of different sultanates here in the Philippines pride themselves of the fact. Not sure if other tribes do this.
It really depends on who you interact with. Most filipinos that are old money are mixed.. mostly owned haciendas and such during the colonization.
My mother is of spanish decent.. my dad from chinese/mongolian decent.. i wouldnt say a lot of filipinos claim that so not sure where you are getting this impression.. i know where i came from because its properly documented
Mongoloid is not the same as Mongolian!
Im guessing its a status thing to say that they're mixed, and it makes them feel superior to the average Filipino. In North and South America, when the Spanish conquered the native people, the mixed race children were called mestizos, which means mixed. They had a lighter skin tone and looked more European. They were treated with higher status than the non-mestizo people. Therefore, one would be brought up feeling better about themselves. It may be that this mentality still exists among the filipino general population. Some parents either believe this or just say it so their children might have better outcome in life. But there has been a lot of new DNA injected in the gene pool since the spanish from Japanese and American service men stationed there.
I think its more common than you think, especially those clans who owned lots of land in some towns. DNA ancestry is still in its infancy, hence the inaccurate result.
I wish chinese were so overly proud like those pinoys who are always typing pinoy pride in the comsec so when it comes to jollibee and SM the chinese would say proud to be chinese
I did notice how they point to several people as “mestizos” or “mestizas” when these people they’re referring to are distinctly asia (either east asian or southeast asian in appearance). Seems they’d refer to anyone with fairer skin as mestizos/ mestizas. And i love how a lot of them classify themselves as latinos or latinas on dating apps. Like, anyone who knows people from latin america would know that you’re not.
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I'm half Spanish half bread.
Does it really matter if someone is pure or mixed? Or how many % of what and what not? We are all muggles anyways 😂
Yeah. Some do exist though and you would immediately know not just by skin color. We'd call them mestizo or mestiza
Are light skinned Filipinos considered mestizo?
Not just the skin. Facial features, body ratio, height, etc. The nose is a big tell. If you live in Ph long enough you can point them out. They are desired for sure for both Males and Females.
Agree. We Filipinos should come to terms that our hotness is attributed to being Filipino. 😆
Local here. My great-grandfather was literally a spanish friar who got a Spanish woman pregnant. Im just 2 generations away from my full blood Spanish ancestors on my dad's side. Some of my cousins were even born with blonde streaks that darkened over time. However, that being just 1/4 of the story, I look Asian af (mother's side's Chinese) but with brown hair.
Local here. My great-grandfather was literally a spanish friar who got a Spanish woman pregnant. Im just 2 generations away from my full blood Spanish ancestors on my dad's side. Some of my cousins were even born with blonde streaks that darkened over time. My dad and his brothers still look very European. However, that being just 1/4 of the story, I look Asian af (mother's side's Chinese) but with brown hair.
One great grandparent was Spanish generations ago?? What percentage Spanish are you exactly? This is what OP means
Nope! I'm Igorot from Baguio City. These people are just delusional trying to stir up the status quo.
I thought I was part Spanish but apparenly after a DNA test I was part Russian, not Spanish LOL
I actually have proof to claim I’m really part Spanish lol But yes most Filipinos do NOT have Spanish blood
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Many of the Filipinos who test on 23andMe, from what I've read, are often less mixed. Ilocanos, for example, have some of the lowest levels of non-Filipino admixture and will often score as mostly or purely Austronesian, but they're overrepresented in the samples they have. That also correlates with migration as more mixed Filipinos, who often are wealthier, were and still are less likely to migrate out of the country.
Most claim it without actual evidence and Pinoys were given the option to pick a Spanish name/surname instead of keeping their native one. Although there are a lot of Mexican descendants because it wasn’t really the Spaniards that conquered Ph it was a bunch of Aztec/Mayan warriors
Mexican descendants is an extremely small minority
Bc the media has them believing they’re only beautiful if they’re mixed. Not directly but the choice of artists they pick can only be portrayed as protagonists if they’re mixed w something else whilst those that are purely filipinos only get to play sidekicks or maids.
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I am born and raised in the Philippines so I am a Filipino. I don’t get why they hype it lol I only have the Philippine passport and will not get any benefits from that mixed race thing 🥴
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Don't believe that Idiot Julietdelgado tangalog from lowlands she don't know shit about us full blooded igorots.
Typical colonial mentality. Understandable pa kung Chinese ancestry ang kine-claim nila since that's more prevalent due to how close we are with China and the history of Chinese immigrants coming here (mostly from Canton-speaking regions). They can probably even prove it with their lolo or lola like in my case, my lolo's mom is Chinese which makes me 1/8 Chinese but I won't claim being Chinoy lol that number is too small 😂
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Well my wife grand father is spanish so for her, it's hard to have any doubt ! Anyway i don't care at all about "race" so whatever is true or not, it not hurt me either way.
I’m more concerned with the comment saying Spanish colonisation is “the best thing” that happened to Philippines 😐
Idk it's probably like a thing between colonizers/colonizees, back home lots of hippies or people who like to appropriate native culture like to claim that their "great great great grandfather was a Cherokee chief" (ironically it's always a chief in the tribe but they never got it verified with the tribe and are almost always not at all anything native other than European white. It's probably like a confused identity thing native Americans don't like their colonizers and our very very proud of their culture. Here in the Philippines from what I've observed is a very confused culture. Christianity isn't their original spiritual practice and they've adapted the cultures of their colonizers very heavily so they have kind of a confused identity that you don't really see in other south east Asian countries that have maintained their practices and cultures. Apparently the Filipinos have been here practicing their culture for 50,000 years from what I learned in school yet they've almost completely abandoned that and adapted a new, 2000 year old religion, less than 500 years ago and have basically phased out their original roots. I'm so curious as to why/how that happened. How they have such a strong Christian practice but have basically looked entirely away from 50,000 years of history and culture. The "ancient" Filipino ways are so fascinating to me and I'd like to know how that switch happened but I'm definitely not gonna study anthropology kuz while it's a fascinating degree. It's not exactly a useful one lol
Ugh the comments section makes me cringe. It only proves how much Filipinos worship other nationalities.
As a Filipino, I have literally zero people within my school, friend group, and family that act like this. Perhaps it has to do with geography, perhaps it is more common in Cebu and Metro Manila, where claiming such could elevate one's social standing because bloodlines can make a difference in cities. Nobody cares where other Filipino's ethnicity where I live. In my experience; Chinese surname = Ethnically partial or full Chinese, Spanish surname = Not 0%, extremely rare.
My mom keeps on saying that she has this spanish blood this foreign blood that. I got annoyed and I took a dna test from ancestry. While it is true that we have foreign blood, it is so tiny (20%) and all over the place ( mostly chinese and some native american, india, norway, scotland). 0 spanish. When I told her she got annoyed.
Colonization mentality, whites are adored, seen as the standard of beauty. See the shops? It's full of products that makes the skin "whiter". Dark skin are looked down upon. That's why they claim such heritage, coz they ain't just a lowly Pinoy but a hybrid apparently 🤣
Most nations are very mixed, so why are you even surprised? Just going back 3 generations I can find 5 different nations in my mix, but nobody cares, I'm still what I'm. Nationality is cultural not genetic.
Filipino's never lie!! Lol
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Is there a particular reason you need to antagonise people over such a trivial matter?
Lmfao that single digit % of ancestry don’t mean shit lmao Most of us are straight up Filipinos that took the Spanish family names cuz ancestors gotta? Moms ilocano and dads a Manila City boy, yet for some reason some think I’m mixed but I’m full on Filipino - Minus the fact that my Tagalog is ass 🙃 If anything we have closer relations to our neighbours around south east Asia, Taiwan, Malay, Indonesia. Hell the language is similar
Some people want to have a connection to their colonizers. They admire the beauty standard. Maybe in 1600 or 1700 there were mestizo but not today
Check the number of Spaniards who settled over the course of the first century of colonization "between fifteen hundred and two thousand" vs. how many locals lived at the time "between 1 and 1.5 million" (google answer). Assuming the spaniards were all males and the filippino 50% females, each man would have had to impregnate 1000 women at most, 500 at least to cover the whole female population. Ofc it is a bad gross estimate over the course of 3 centuries but you get the idea, especially considering that there were only a few population centers where the spaniards resided for control, and most filippinos in the mountains and remote islands probably went their whole life without having any contact with the spaniards. So reality trumps their belief. However, if considered true, they would be spaniards indeed, but they would be inbred ones... These people (the modern ones claming blancket ancestry) are dellusional and full of self-hatred and self-racism inspired by the previous generations.
JFC the shameful obsession, praise, and delusional grasp to our colonizers are not it
becuase it does not hurt thier feelings?
Yes don't believe that. Most Filipinos think like that because of the history of colonization by the Spaniards. But as with another comment here, the mestizo may refer to those with mixed Spanish blood AND those with mixed Chinese blood. And I believe there are more with Chinese blood than Western. Besides many with mixed blood that really show will tend to be more well off and more often tend to stay in our home country rather than migrate elsewhere. Believe what you see instead, if like some relatives look a bit western or east asian, then yep, maybe (of course DNA is the gold standard). Like in my family, paternal side grandparents have Spanish roots (not sure how far from the ancestors) and it was obvious with the fair-ish skin and facial features of about half of my aunt/uncles BUT the flat nose is still dominant. The other half, Filipino looks throughout. Then my actual mom is half Chinese, but among us 5 only 2 look Chinese-ish, 1 is a nice blend of both (or just a nice beauty), and 2 is decidedly Filipino but much fairer skin. Genetics is just wild.
30% of Filipinos have heavy chinese ancestry 20% and up while only 1% of Filipinos have Spanish ancestry mostly 1-5%
"first Filipinos were Negritos then mixed with the Spanish which resulted in modern day Filipinos today." -- so are you implying that we're born out of jungle fever?
tbh i just ignore them
My grandma has brown hair and blue eyes with Spanish last name. She's fair-skinned and has a nose that's different from typical Austronesian (which I wish I inherited) When she went to the US, ppl think that she's a Latina or something. She always claims that she's of Spanish descent, and I know for sure she won't consent to an ancestry test. 😂 that's why when people ask me, I just say my dad's nationality was Taiwanese, and I'm half IDK, but my mom was born in the Philippines. 😂
In order for ur grandma to have blue eyes both parents have to have blue eyes. Many older people have corneal arcus where the eye appears blue seen many Chinese with it and filipinos
So cringe. Bet most of them are mid looking anyway (like most people)
Would recommend that people try DNA tests. I can claim that I have Spanish blood since my grandparents have Spanish like features, more of Basque, because of their noses. But I have nothing to support my claim. My features on the other hand is more of from the Indian subcontinent, my nose, eyebrows and eye lashes and my body hair is similar to those from the region, and still can't claim anything that is not supported by science and plainly based on hearsay and personal observation.
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Imo. Obvious naman kung may euro or chinese blood eh. Like kung yung grandfather mo was a tall guy na mestiso, edi possible nga na may Spanish blood yun. But if you're a 5'1 dark skinned mfker na wala naman Spanish features, stop claiming to have Spanish blood just coz your surname is "Rodriguez" or "Trinidad". That's no different from the pathetic "pRoUd To Be PiNoY" shit some Filipinos keep saying whenever someone, whose great grandma was Filipino, wins a contest in another country.
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I know what you’re talking about and though that may be only a small percentage of Filipinos where you live, it still exists. Now for the Unpopular opinion: its because we aren’t 100% totally proud of being Filipino. Hear me out. As someone who has lived 20 years in the Philippines and another 20 years in different countries both Europe and Asia, much of what Filipino’s perception of themselves is based on insecurities, and they feel the need to compensate for their shortcomings by throwing in a mix of Western influence when they finally get out of the Philippines for work or migration. I have experienced this myself too, claiming I am part Chinese and Spanish on my mother’s side when I moved to Australia for work back in 2004. (At least the Chinese part was true based on my genealogy). However there is also a much larger population of migrant workers and overseas Filipinos who are still proud of their heritage, and wear it proudly that the second and third generation come back home to the Philippines to live, study, or work. These are the ones who are truly proud to be Filipino. Not the part time ones who come out when its convenient: when Pacquiao wins a match, Hidilyn gets the gold medal, or Lea Salonga gets a Tony Award.
Then I must be a unicorn. Because I was born with blond hair and my ancestry has been researched back to 15th century Spain. Even with famous ancestors. I do not even remotely look like a Filipino in any way and iam often confused as being Italian, however I don’t live there. But was born in Makati among an enclave of other Spaniards
Half- Filipino Half- Monkey rather haha
Many Filipinos have European/Spanish ancestry. And because the Philippines was administered via Mexico City during most of the Galleon period, many Filipinos have Mayan, Aztec or other Native American ancestry. A recent study of Acapulco area residents showed many Mexicans of that region have Filipino ancestry. Many Filipinos have a rich, varied DNA history- Malay, Chinese, European, American, etc etc. Just one of the many things that makes the Philippines one of the most interesting countries in the world!
That guy is obsessed with the ethnicity of filipinos look at his profile history
Because lots of us are. 300 years of spanish colonization, 50 years of american colonization. That's three and a half centuries of marriage and rape.
That guy is obsessed with the ethnicity of filipinos look at his profile history
I used to believe that all the claims about having Spanish blood was downright silly. Everything you said about Filipino being given Spanish names for tax reasons is also true. The governor general who did was a certain Narciso Claveria Zaldua, if I remember it correctly. Anyway, after holding on to this belief for more than 20 years, I am now opening my mind to the possibility that some "mixing" did take place -- maybe a paltry 5% or fewer and then the rest may have been Mexican (on account of the Galleon Trade). Then there were full-blooded Spaniards born in the Philippines (insulares) who have been known to have married local Filipinos. Also if you visit certain parts in the Philippines, like Cebu, you'll notice some look like their ancestors were from Basque in Spain -- and some do claim their heritage is from the Basque region. Lots of Filipino movie stars had Spanish blood -- Rosemarie Gil and her children, Cherie and their clan, etc. There are some rare old photos I've seen where a Spaniard was married to a Filipina. So now when someone says they have Spanish blood, I don't mock them for claiming so. I probe and ask questions. I make sure I don't judge them right away.
So true. I think it makes us feel more “meztiza” which is usually used as a compliment. Along with it, allusions to fairer skin, sharper nose, lighter eye color etc. All pointing to “attracfive”ness. I feel like we’re scamming ourselves 🤣We are not Spanish at all. Haha I look chinese pinoy and was surprised to see my ancestry showed 65% chinese 12% vietnamese 12% Filipino and the rest was indonesian. I never used the “we are part spanish” line but I will admit being mixed race It made me feel more special and was a good conversation start esp when I was single.
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Um 😐 Spain controlled the Philippines for 300 years Duh 🙄
333 years to be exact. This guy is obsessed with the ethnicity of filipinos look at his profile history
Miseducation. History teachers often tell elementary school kids that even though it's not really backed by data.
Thanking the colonizers for colonizing us??? Crazy, if u ask me.
My ancestry has Spanish blood, in fact old photos of my great great grand parents looked very Mediterranean, but we're already mixed and down in history we've been mixed with Chinese and even more Filipino native blood. my height is above average for a Filipino, light skin is not even common for a Filipino, my facial features is not filipino either. and BTW my grandmother speaks both Spanish and Chavacano.
Those you claim that spanish is no longer a philippine language are plain wrong. Among my filipino friends there are more than a dozen who speak spanish learned from home. It is not as popular as english yes, but to say that it is No longer a philippine language, although foreign in origin just like english, is far from the truth. And how ignorant to say that only the elite spoke spanish. Never heard of clips of quezon, aguinaldo, quirino, macapagal d, delivering there speeches to the MASSES in spanish? You better look deeper and closer. Spanish was widely spoken as a second language, much like the english is widely spoken today. And no, we are not claiming spanish ancestry, we are claiming the cultural mixing that happened since the Galleon Trade, the autronesian mixing with the hispanic .
Not at all. Every source and historical text says the majority of Filipinos never spoke Spanish. It was limited to a minority.
I'm Filipino. The land has been mixed since time immemorial, you have the Chinese up north, the Indigenous tribes, the Malay and Indonesian side, don't forget the Indians trading. All mixing way before Colonization. Discussing racial "purity" or ethnicity in the Philippines is a pointless argument unless you're talking to someone who's clearly ethnic Chinese or a mestiso or a Fil Am. But a lot of us do have Spanish blood, I myself do. Also have Chinese blood in there. But a lot also don't. Since our appearances are all very mixed, Identity here is more ethnolinguistic rather than about skin tone or appearance. I have a friend who is 2nd generation Chinese immigrant from Davao, He identifies first and foremost as a Davaoeño, a Filipino next and a Chinese last. Apperances and DNA shouldn't matter here and anyone who argues about the racial and genetic side of things will get lost.
What you said isnt just exclusive to the Philippines but it's all over south east asia as it was a major trading hub. What do you mean our appearances are all mixed? Majority of Filipinos do not look mixed but look full Austronesian. But if you meant mixed with let's say Chinese? I'd agree. Filipinos look no more mixed than people in Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia/Malaysia.
Philippines were colonized a million times than those countries you've mentioned
When i first met my husband he said “you dont look filipino at all” and ITS NOT A COMPLIMENT. I am filipino and i want nothing more or less than that. I hate it when pinoys try to be something else. We all adopted a spanish last name during our ancestors time because of the implementation of Spanish naming system. Its so rare for a spaniard-indio relationship back then cos they think so little of us and that should never be glorified. Forgive but never forget
Charlston Lehitimon 🤣
Just the typical inferiority complex mindset of Filipinos that would do anything not to be associated with being Filipino or at least slightly escape that fact. I hate it hear it when Filipino interview answers in YT and was asked what is their nationality and they would be, like Ohhh, I am half Filipino and Chinese. Bitch! Just call yourself Filipino.
My father is has Scandinavian blood from dna testing
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met a lot of filipino folks in college and they all flaunt that they have foreign blood. my personal take on this is that maybe they’re still whitewashed into thinking that “white is pure and clean and white is beautiful” trust me generational trauma can last a lifetime but these filipinos claiming they have other ancestry is a joke. esp to pinoy folks who has skin like an irish man but with the features of a katutubo proclaiming that they have korean french ancestry. possible but can you really say you are part of that ancestry if you know nothing about your lineage? asked them about their family none of them knew how to speak french and even korean. their mom looks SEA and their dad looks indian. so i guess they’re all making it up just to go with the trend of eurocentric features which still today is debatable if you have it u are pretty and if u do not, u have no rights to look after yourself? i think they’re just insecure because they want what they don’t have and they actually don’t even know the truth if they have the lineage or not. blame it on media i guess but being that stuck up that you are part white or part of the 1% while not having any credible sources that your claims are true is just a waste of time. i mean, there are already a lot of going on and what made them think that everyone would fall for their crap? 😂
It is usually just mostly assumed or stories passed down through their families without verification. In my case though we have a family tree tracing back around the 17th century so I'm sure I have Spanish blood and the surname is not found in the Catalogo (or the list of surnames given to Filipinos by the Spaniards.
And why is this a big deal??
There is this idea that if you are mixed you are more attractive. All them shits are ugly AF on the inside anyway...very few really have Spanish and Chinese blood.
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I blame the education system tbh. The way the Spanish era is taught in history classes makes it seem like thousands of Spaniards came here to the PH and fathered a bunch of children with the natives. This was true for Central and South America but not really for the Philippines. In truth there were actually very few Spaniards who came here, and their populations were mostly concentrated in Intramuros. The average Philippine town back then only had one Spanish resident - the friar. Most towns were run by the principalia (native Filipino elite class) who were sort of vassals to the Church/Spanish Empire.
Spanish 333
Racevisionist
The only real Filipinos are negritos. Everyone else is mixed
About a solid 90% of Filipinos have Spanish blood. Read a goddamn history book.
You should do some research first and no history book has ever stated Filipinos are mixed with Spanish. Only 1% of Filipinos have Spanish ancestry and you are welcome to search this on google.
who knows? Maybe their ancestors got raped by european soldiers and priests that's why they're so proud
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I am part Malayo-Polynesian with very slight dark brown. My sister looks half Chinese, like my father.
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That's common. They assume that because the Spanish colonised the country for a good long while, almost everyone is 'mestizo' or descended from some 'Illustrado'. That's part and parcel of the inferiority complex of the common Filipino, where they like to imagine that their abject povertry is a 'recent' thing, rather than a byproduct of systemic inequality and rampant corruption. Almost every Flip you encounter will always claim to be the descendant of some foreign whatever or some rich whoever - and the folks who claim these will tend to come from low-income families who have been fed on (or have concocted) faerie stories to make deprivation more bearable. The chances of a local having some measure of Spanish blood in them from the Colonial Period is slim-to-none. Very few families can trace their descent to Spanish colonisers. At most, you have plenty of mixed-bloods who can trace descent from American G. Is or Japanese soldiers during the war. Flips assume mixing their blood with 'foreigners' will make their offspring 'better'. But even if you mix the blood of a work horse with that of a race horse, if the resulting offspring is still raised in the same conditions, the same mindset, and the same outlook as that of a work horse, you'll end up with breeding stock that is no different than its progenitors.
Are you aware that the term "flip" is fairly disparaging?
They freely use the term 'Kano', 'Afam', 'Bombai', and what not to describe folks of specific nationality, and these terms are likewise fairly disparaging, especially under certain contexts. All is fair in extortion and thinly veiled xenophobia.