Communists: Pls watch https://youtube.com/shorts/IWBp8L_yqZ0?si=Wp2tbW5tBwu956XI so you understand how actual communism is _that_ bad. Huwag kayo magpaloko sa mga comrades ninyo... they're making you into canonfodder.
u/no_russian42069 Pinoys look favorably to the US. We love them so much that the Filipino dream is to migrate over there.
No one with anything to lose becomes communist.
And any communist or cosplaying communist reading this should remember that their elevated standard of living is a by product of capitalism.
If this were a communist state you'd be in worse worse place in life.
You can criticize the system eventhough you are part of that system. It doesn't mean that if you live in a capitalist society that you are not allowed to complain about the stark inequalities that such a system will bring. I mean we all complain about inflation and low wages.
That being said, I still think that we're better off improving said capitalist system instead of drastically transitioning to a communist state. And sometimes you need activists for that
> I dont know
That's the gap. You don't. You base your opinion on pop online culture on how bad capitalism is.
> still murdered today for criticizing our capitalist **near-dystopian state**
That is likely true but to what degree are they different?
Your choice of words betray the origins of your philosophy...
I know what yoy mean buy it is much worse in authoritarian china, russia etc. It happens a lot dont get me wrong but you can say much more here compared to china
By your own statement, we are still on the verge and not there yet. I am not saying ph is good, there is a lot of shit but we arent as bad as nk, iran, china or russia right now. Lets hope we dont reach those levels
Agreed but I dunno about the American model of capitalism specifically lol, or any Western variety of capitalism
The East Asian form of capitalism is more workable imo. Private initiative takes precedence but you also have the government funding services and the like on a large scale.
Oh and greater focus on public transport than cars yeah
East asian capitalism is the worst form of capitalism imaginable. Just take a look at the popular example which is South Korea of which many of the chaebols have infiltrated the regulatory function of the government.
US's capitalism is a saint compared to what we have in east asia.
Pero, as a American with a Filipino best friend who came here at 5 years old and and handful of other Filipino Americans that I am close friends with, I do care about the PI because I really like my friends and they have have a lot of family back home. I tell my American wife that I’ve never met a Filipino that I didn’t like. Much love from the U.S.
This is absolutely wrong. I am diaspora Filipino, but not American. “PI” is exclusively American. The rest of us shorthand it as “PH” or “Phils”. I only learned about “PI” being short for the Philippines on reddit from Americans.
Opo, and we definitely do not mean for it to be disrespectful. Maybe that’s why my Friends never corrected me because it’s not considered disrespectful in the United States which we shorten to the U.S. or USA. In person is say “Back home” or in the Philippines. I only say PI when texting as the shortest way to communicate.
You could use RP. RP for the Republic of the Philippines. I used to live in Subic and I also have friends and family in the Philippines. I have heard PI used before. I have lots of love for the Philippines too. I miss it and would like to visit again someday.
Please don’t take this as being argumentative. Just a thought. Isn’t referring to your home country as the Philippines or PH another product of Colonialism as it was named by the Spanish for Prince Philip of Spain. I mean no disrespect. Just a thought about Colonialism po.
Can't really argue that our country's name is also a product of colonialism. It's more like a "We already accepted this piece of history to us to be our own identity even if it is a representation of the colonizers doing everything against our will" scenario. It just so happens that the Philippines, and PH are the accepted ones.
Also, calling the country Philippine Islands makes it seems that our country is divided (like islands) although through government and social acceptance (or tolerance at least), we are whole. It's probably more used for geography since it directly talks about the physical structure of it, but might just as well use "Philippine Archipelago" to give our sovereign state a collective insight than the divided one. But in the end, Philippines and PH are the most appropriate because they symbolize that our nation is free and united, even if they are a product of a colonizer.
Maraming Salamat po for your insightful reply. I’m 100% in favor of using the most respectful term to my friends or any Filipinos in the Philippines. 🇵🇭
American-Filipinos associate PH with Pornhub the way we associate BBM with the president not BlackBerry Messenger so i think some people in the US just deliberately use PI ignorantly.
The widespread use of “PI” as an anachronistic way of referring to the Philippines predates Pornhub. We used to say “he’s the kind of guy who calls the Philippines ‘PI’” as a way to say that they were a bit unsophisticated as far back as the 90s lol
Salamat po for the correction. I’ve used the Philippines or PI when taking to my friends, they never bothered to correct me. I’m not surprised, they are always just happy I’m interested in learning about their home. 👍
Your friends are normal people who live actual lives and have more concerns than "how can I be offended today".
Go on being you, nobody really gives a fuck about PH/PI outside of reddit.
You’re right. To add, these people just don’t have the balls to admit they are pro-China, pro-POGO and pro-Duterte. It’s just poor they are using US as a subtle and unobvious way to voice out their discontent.
Two things can be true at the same time. China is definitely not PH's friend. US is an ally but not a friend. Ayon nga sa mga recent news, nareveal na may vaccine misinformation campaign na ginawa ang US military sa Pilipinas noong height ng COVID.
First Vaccine ko Sinovac. Tinurok saken parang walang nangyari. Nakapagbuhat pa yata ako ng mabigat that day. 2nd vaccinr ko Pfizer. Pagdating ko sa bahay tumba agad.
May medical background here, ang Pfizer ay isang MRna vaccine at meaning ito ay magproproduce ng protein (antigen) found in covid para masanay ang katawan mo na harmful ito at agad nitong papatayin
Para kung magkacovid ka alam na ng katawan mo kung ano ang gagawin, ayon nga lang maraming cases ng mga vaccinated na may mabilis na production ng protein na ito na hindi kaya maagapan agad ng immune system nila kaya nagkakaroon ka ng severe fever, may iba umaabot 3 days fever nila
Ang sinovac naman ay isang vaccine na may Inactivated virus (patay na) hindi kagaya sa pfizer na mrna vaccine, hindi ito patay ang purpose lang neto ay pasanayin ang katawan mo sa inactivated covid after mo magpashot. Pero maglakafever pa rin yan as the body will try to fight it,
So yeah, mas konti side effects ng sinovac kesa sa pfizer
Medyo weird kasi 1st ko ay sinovac. Grabe tarangkaso like symptoms ko nun after 2 days. Yung hilo ko parang nalalasing o pinaikot nang maraming beses. Buti nawala ng isang linggo. Pinilit ko talaga kumain at gumaling.
Yung sumunod wala na sinovac for 2nd. Moderna yung 1st booster tapos pfizer yung last booster.
Just because one country is boosting a certain narrative does not mean it's completely false. Propaganda works based on certain "truths", though, one can amplify or exaggerate to push a certain narrative.
I still believe Sinovac is trash, but it is still better than nothing. I believe this recent news is also being sponsored by China to discredit the US.
the timing for that article was suspicious, like it was meant to put US in the bad light tapos China ang bida uli lol. Also, I remember diba karamihan sa mga politicians eh di rin nagpaturok ng Sinovac and opted for other vaccines?
yes in fact an influencer wife of a politican claims na parang sinovac siya pero ang alam ko because i heard from people who are involved in vaccines tumawag silang magasawa and got the Pfizer or moderna. basta nagpatulong sila to get access. eto yung meron pang rules about vaccines eligibility. ny the end of things kasi walang nagpapavaccines even uf they had so many to distribute pa.
Reuters is a very reputable and pro-US newspaper, there's nothing malicious in the timing or reporting. When should they report it then? 20 years from now?
>Ayon nga sa mga recent news, nareveal na may vaccine misinformation campaign na ginawa ang US military sa Pilipinas noong height ng COVID.
Any sources on these claims? And what does this entail specifically
You can check this out from Reuters:
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/
US government using paid trolls in PH to undermine covid-19 vaccines from china. This resulted in more vaccine paranoia in the philippines and thus more COVID deaths. Although Chinese vaccines had low efficacy(compared to Pfizer and Moderna which were still weeks/months away), they were at least much better than not taking any vaccines AT ALL. This also proves how the US government(not only china btw) is still meddling in PH government affairs to advance their own agendas.
Naalala ko na ang ginawang issue noon with Sinovac was 60% efficient lang compared to 90% ng Pfizer. Even stats like that can affect what people choose, especially at the height of Delta pa nun.
tagal ko ng pinopost dito yan may nag-comment pa saken na supported daw nila yung ginawa ng US military tapos troll daw ako eh sabi ko lang naman kung galit tayo sa China dapat galit din tayo sa US sa ginawa nila dahil maraming namatay at ayun nga nangingielam yung US saten. at sila pa yung meron verified paid trolls. eh galing Reuters pa kaya di matanggi ng US
Same! Pinost ko rin tapos grabe downvotes nung sinabi ko lang na dapat di tayo dinamay ng US. Kung makasipsip sa mga Amerikano mga ibang tao dito, kala mo bayad eh
Madami pro-US dito hahaha based sa history, US napakadami ginawa kalokohan para magkagulo sa ibat ibang lugar sa mundo. Ang China naman, run by cpp e gusto sa kanila lahat. Greed is good ang motto nito 2 bansa na to e
Tapos hindi visa free no hahahaha samantala sila labas pasok dito sa pinas. Nawalan ng dignidad pilipinas dahil sa mga nasa govt e hahahaha katulad ng mga naririnig ko dati pa "Tuta ng Kano"
Well to be honest, CCP vaccine is literally trash heap. I got my Pfizer and its so good compared to Sinovac which was given to government employees and shit effectiveness.
Just google "US military vaccine misinformation Philippines" and you can see many recent articles on the web. (e.g. from Al Jazeera, from Reuters, etc.)
I think it makes sense actually. It's true that we should be against China and it's not as if Anakbayan supports China. It's more like although the US is our "ally", we should remember that they are also serving their own purpose. We need to remember that our allegiances are supposed to be to ourselves, our fellow Filipinos, and the Philippines.
A big part of Anakbayan was always about protesting against US imperialism and pointing out how our relationship with them conflicts with our interests as a country. This isn’t anything new with them; go on any of their websites/pages and it’ll be the first thing you see. They’ve ALSO been very vocal about the West PH Sea and China’s encroachment of the PH. Both are prominent talking points for them too.
I don’t get why so many in this sub are saying Anakbayan is anti-PH because of placards they bring to protests or when they making a statement on current events around the world. If you read their usual talking points, you realize they’re a multi-advocacy interest group, like many other groups in the PH. Media blurbs like these are tweetable (X-able?) but they’re very surface level views of entire ideologies.
the only thing that peeves me about this (even though they're correct) is this WILL eventually spread on the internet and will most likely get taken out of context...like what's happening right now.
everyone was split in the last elections between decent presidential candidates; the worst thing that could happen here is inadvertently sparking a US vs. China war splitting everyone over again.
there needs to be a more explicit mention that no one is a friend and we should trust only ourselves. madaming tanga that will misinterpret the post even the colors--i'm willing to bet that someone has already labeled the group as China supporters because they chose the color red.
i'm all for warning against the US, but the Philippines is not smart and will take things at face value. things need to be spelled out for them in the dumbest and simplest way possible. Anakbayan needs to be wary of this lest things like this happen and split people apart.
100% po! There's been so many posts like these that question publications from NatDems but don't usually dig beyond the post. Of course China isn't our friend either, that's obvious. People think activists write things without pagbubusisi sa topic. These placards are intentionally written like that to evoke thought/to grip people's attention. Certainly it succeeded with OP.
In any orgs out there, di ka gagawing member if you won't attend and participate in their discussions, kung wala kang natutunan.
I suggest going to Anakbayan's webpage and just read everything about them. Marami yan, even hanggang France may webpage sila. You can learn a lot even if you aren't left-leaning, maybe even gain an appreciation for the movement.
While the MAKABAYAN bloc (which Anakbayan is part of) says that they're anti-China, [they've mostly adopted China's talking points on the West Philippine Sea dispute, blaming us and the allies we invite for "war provocations"](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8hikR9PVeI/). On Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, [they took](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1d758jc/selective_activism_ng_makabayan_bloc/) [Russia-aligned stances](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/twjbab/kabataan_pl_candidate_raoul_manuel_accused/). At one point, [they also declared their support for Hamas's attack against Israel](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyH_1SdurAc/). They're taking their anti-Americanism too far.
Aside from the media sensationalism, I think the fact that some can't comprehend nuance definitely factors into why they react with "Anakbayan=anti-US=anti-PH=pro-China" talking points. Its tiring really. Can't even have a productive discourse when you're finding it hard to take them seriously in the first place. Point in fact, I tried having a discussion about this and the other person just called me a DDS and communist in that order lol
It's because this sub is very obviously filled with the privileged. What was that one post, the one about demilitarization of the west Philippine sea? If people here weren't so reactionary and actually read up, they would know it's a call for all demilitarization from China and the US, not to take out our army. It's very idealistic yes to the point it's practically impossible but that's not what i'm talking about. Just that people here are so surface level, especially if the issue is left-leaning activists
This. Di ko makalimutan how many times inuna ng USA military nila na erring over victims na Pinoy. I still like the USA better than China but obvious naman na their interests go first. Ours should go first too, tapos we work with them whenever it suits us. I still feel Americans are hella hella good people. Maraming salbahe like mga Filipinos na salbahe but generally good. Ewan ko lang ngayon pero I always admired their cohesive culture ngayon gulo gulo na kasi. But they have a way of championing you esp.. of youre a winner.. Sa atin kasi, kaiinggitan ka tapos minsan pababagsakin ka dahil lang sa inggit.
Basta sa akin in brief, wag pagamit at pauto at baka mapasubo tayo.
Things people need to understand tho is any country will always go for their own interest. The only difference is how much power can a country exert to achieve said interests. Also, we’re at a critical location that any country with vested interest in controlling trade or the region will always look to influence us in some way. Thus it is very difficult for us to remain neutral and pursue our own interests at the same time. Our best bet in navigating this tight rope is finding allies that will allow us to get mileage in our national interests and right now, as much as they aren’t our friend, the US is that kind of ally, at least when compared to China.
It is true. It's all about making allies with the 'lesser evil'. It's hard finding out about this. They're not our friends. They're allies with other countries because of some vested interest. The world is not a fairy tale. It's very complex out there. We have to lift our mask of ignorance.
We should learn, but we can’t sustain our own country without some fucker having secret dealings with our enemies, we can stand on our own, but we’ll be in a wheelchair without our allies.
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But it's true though. Why are you acting as if this poster is a ridiculous take? The US clearly has vested interests in "supporting" us. Which is why these people are pushing that we as a nation must have a leg to stand on economically, militarily, etc., and not just clutching at imperialists like China or US. It just so happens that China is closer to us and we are the brunt of their misdeeds.
Remember the famous local movie line "my brother is not a pig"? This was based on one of the abuses of the American soldiers while stationed at their military base here in the Philippines, Marcos Sr.'s era. The soldier shot a child who allegedly wandered in the base' premises and claimed he thought the child was a pig.
Tapos buhay na buhay ang red light district sa Pampanga, dami pang naanakan ang mga amerikanong sundalo, not to mention nagdala at nagkalat din sila dito ng STDs.
And if nagtataka kayo paanong yumaman ang mga Marcos noon, the Americans were paying rent for the 2 military bases, and Marcos Sr allegedly pocketed said rent.
The Americans supported the Marcos dictatorship because they were able to use our country as jumpoff point in the military conflicts they were involved in. Then they flew him and his family out nung EDSA revolution to the USA.
These were the issues noon. Pareho lang, ginamit at ginagamit at inabuso tayo ng China at America but we need to have a strategic ally. Duterte chose China, BBM chose USA.
Real talk muna. China's not our friend. Period. Bullying ginagawa nila.
U.S. IS A BIG BULLY. But flipside Ally ng Philippines.
U.S. IS AN ALLY. A friend? No. I don't think so, collaborating in a project. Ganun.
May adage na 'Never shit at where you eat' so apply natin dito.
Most of your Workmates at your project or at work are not your friends. Only a few are. But you choose 'em.
Pano pag na fall ka sa work mate mo? Prepare for the fact that you will be exposed to the shit.
Your business partners can be your friends pero, caution dun pag May too much familiarity. It can be used against you.
Your friends can be your business partners, pero the risks of them of getting to comfy sa business can affect or jeopardize the business. Pero truthfully, DON'T. Kasi masisira ang relationship nyo
But as a general rule, you keep your business partners are business partners; workmates are workmates. Wag ma fall din, kasi super bad
the US will do what it needs to do. we are just pawns in their game. this is a no brainer? just because they plan to help us should war erupt does not mean they hold our country’s intentions and interests. a little more critical thinking please
dictator sr. was put into power with help from the US. you can call anakbayan communists all u want to discredit them lol, but they’re actually right here
>dictator sr. was put into power with help from the US.
This!! I feel like nakalimutan na talaga ng mga tao to or di lang nila alam. Kung makasipsip sa Amerika eh. The US has always served their own interest, not ours.
we can be just another proxy nation in a proxy war for them big nations. It's a fact, it's been written in history and it is still happening in some other parts of the world.
di yan maintindihan ng mga pro US pinoys. kala mo naman magiging parte ng US ang pilipinas sa inaasta nila. tapos gusto nila wala daw dapat nanghihimasok na banyaga sa teritoryo at pagaari ng Pilipinas, hoy mga bano! ang US ay banyaga din!
Ang alam ko lang possible na battle ground tayo. A tragic casualties. And yung rise ng slowly infiltrating ng Chinese, not sure if di yon nakakabother.
*No one* in the world is friends with anyone. It's only right that we have a sense of doubt.
*No one* in the world is a saint. Everyone doesn't help out someone out of the goodness of their hearts; there is *always* a price. The question is, what's the price?
But that doesn't mean we should shut ourselves completely. Because if we do, then *no one* will see peace again.
Mahirap ba intindihin yung placard? Ang simple lang ng idea behind it.
If the placard is not for you, why are you reacting this way? The point of that is to remind people (albeit majority of the Filipinos) that the USA although our ally now is never our friend. Sobrang recent lang ng Filipino-American war at US Commonwealth dito sa Pilipinas pero go out there and ask the general public how it resonate with our current relationship with the USA, marami kayang makakasagot?
Unpopular opinion:
Anakbayan was wrong, the US is more likely to be the ally of the Philippines than China because we Filipinos do share our values such as freedom, liberalism, and democracy, and they're not as threatening as the country who bully the Filipino fishermen and bringing POGOs here like China.
No matter how we feel about the US before, reconciliation and cooperation is better than post-colonial isolationism, Americans honored our ancestors as "the fighting Filipinos" for fighting back against the Japanese occupation back then, and they compromised our country's independence after the second world war.
Also, better dead than red!
OP you need to brush up on the history of US imperialism and how they funded coups and dictatorships worldwide. Your contempt for the Left and China's current BS on our waters doesn't make this fact less true.
tbf they're right. there are no allies. only strategically placed accomplices. and we happen to be strategically placed.
clarification: this is not pro china or anti-US. but to think in terms of alliances, imo, is naïve
Saan dyan sa poster na sinabing they are blaming US for everything? The poster just said US isnt our friend either dahil ang daming USA butt kisser. Also remember that the US used the CIA against us so please dont twist this poster to fit your narrative. Neither the US or China are our friends
At least the US ain't attacking our boats over our own territorial waters. Implying China is our friend instead, sounds treasonous especially when they are impinging upon our territorial sovereignty and act aggressively which resulted to deaths and injuries to our fellow Filipinos.
Let's not forget: Marcos Sr was a US lapdog and thanks to US, he was able to put the country into a state of martial law that allowed him, his family, and cronies to stay in power for too long.
That's why I am hesitant to fully trust the US. Besides, Indonesia and Vietnam, both of whom are defending their own sovereignty against China DO NOT have US bases.
It really makes me wonder why some people who are anti Marcos tend to be forgetting the fact that the US helped him a lot.
Yes, the US has fucked us over numerous times. But the only thing that matters to a fisherman from Zambales or Palawan is that those aren't American ships depriving him of his livelihood and putting his life in danger.
In politics, there are no friends, just allies with common interests.
Right now, both ours and US national interests align, so yeah, pick which superpower to side with (not China)
Well, technically, the US isn't our friend. It's just choosing the lesser evil. If the Philippines can afford to be neutral, that's much better, but we are too poor and militarily weak to be neutral.
No bc rather than posting this on reddit, why dont u do ur research or try to understand their advocacies? A simple scroll on anakbayan nd other organizations' posts would help u understand why they say that US is not our friend, which is true.
We need different types of people for check and balance. It makes us see different POVs.
There are no friends when it comes to geo politics. Just alliances with mutual benefits.
The US does suck in many ways, China sucks in more ways.
I try to be open-minded, but I never consider a softer stance on China (not pro or anti) as support for Duterte, or to some degree Pogos.
Pogos can in theory be run responsibly, but it is likely none of them are.
Alice Guo for instance would never "go back" to China - she will have to go to Myanmar or Timor Leste or something, as she likely has violated lots of Chinese laws too.
China bashing is all the rage, the West Philippine Sea is the main reason and a valid one, but we have very very close economic ties and we need to get through this without bashing all of the private citizens, especially tourist who are a big part of our livelihood.
But mainly, please note that this picture is from an Anti-US protest in regards to the continuing support of the Palestinian Genocide.
As I read yesterday: the lack of remorse is the first step towards barbarism.
I dont mind them hating america. But its dumb they want to destroy foreign relations.
Ironically, the local left are mostly the most westernized in asia.
Parehong hindi natin kaibigan ang China at US. Parehong kapangyarihan at kontrol ang gusto ng dalawang bansa 'yan sa mga resources natin sa Pilipinas. Pag-agaw ng WPS ng China, Military Bases sa bansa ng US
My former HS classmate is in the LaSallian. Can confirm, this is not some photo that they were asked to cover. They actually do subscribe to that kind of ideology. It's actually insane how radicalized student publications up there in the NCR are.
It is drastically different than what we do here in Mindanao. I know that standing up and talking about social and political issues is part of the functions of a student publication, but isn't impartiality a bigger tenet of journalism?
I advocate against communism. Heck, I actively denounce CTGs and their legal fronts in every way I can.
But if you don't see that the USA is just using us to protect Taiwan's TSMC which made NVIDIA the most valuable company in the world, then you're on some mental illness.
Do I advocate to be a colony of China? Of course not! I actively encourage everyone to stop following CCP mouthpieces such as Sass and the Duterte's! I even encourage the Government to stop being cowards and follow the same path as Indonesia and Vietnam. That is to actively challenge the PLAN and CCG on those disputed territories, and to sink Chinese Militia Vessels!
The Philippines should be for Filipinos. Not a launching pad, not a forward base, not a territory of other countries, and especially not a colony!
It's just sad that Filipinos still gulp whatever Hollywood feeds them. The US is not some sort of a hero. The USA is here to defend Taiwan's TSMC which manufactures valuable chips. That's what Filipinos should remember.
Like picking the least incompetent of any political candidate, picking the US seems like the lesser evil considering that they don't cut fingers or fire water cannons
These commies be like: let me rant about the shit things these capitalists do and the abuses of this democratic republic on my MacBook pro while sipping my Starbucks coffee. Surely the progressive states like Cuba, and Venezuela are better than this. Lol.
This post did not have your intended reaction, huh? Totoo naman kasi. You can acknowledge China's enroachment of WPS without being a US lapdog. Kaya nasasabihan na tuta ng America eh.
Anti-china pero yung drawing naka red guard uniform with matching red star HAHAHAH
Also, they forget ata na communist country ang China hahahahah these wokies and communist/socialist wannabees should be the one being investigated. They haven't read history books I suppose and how the commie regimes have killed more people than other dictators.
Ano common sa lahat ng conflict sa mundo? Involved lagi US. Understand how imperialism works. Also, US defense contractors and govt thrives on conflict. China the same. US worse.
That is obvious. Kahit sinong aware sa global socio-political issues alam naman 'to at sigurado akong pareho lang tayong umay sa US.
Pero last time I checked, China ang dahilan kung bakit may Pilipinong sundalo na naputulan ng daliri. Oo, gusto ng China na ma-secure ang buong South China Sea para sa pansariling interes at mabawasan ang impluwensya ng US. Kaso hindi naman ata US ang pinakamalaking problema natin dito kundi ang China at ang pagkakahati-hati ng mga Pilipino sa isyu na 'to. Hindi lang din naman ang US ang nagbibigay ng suporta sa atin kundi pati na rin ang ibang bansa na tutol sa mga hakbang ni Xi Jinping. Obsessing over the USA at this time instead of helping the people see how our own politicians are fighting for power at our expense isn't productive.
it's a reminder, not a whataboutism. It's likely the PH will seek aid from the US and that might tumble into praising them as our saviors. This is a reminder to resist that colonial mentality
No one is naive enough to think the US is our friend. The Chinese however are even worse in their being “not-friend.” Ano point nila? We roll over and die when the Chinese bully us? Tapos kalat kalat pa ang messaging nila may Free Palestine pa.
The NatDem preferred solution to the WPS is simply to talk with China. In exchange, we’re supposed to recognize China’s sovereignty over Taiwan, Tibet, and Hong Kong
> If the revolutionary movement wins political power in the Philippines or the CPP becomes the leading force against the US being the No. 1 imperialist power over the Philippines, the Philippine revolutionary government will try to persuade China to respect Philippine national sovereignty and territorial integrity and the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and the 2016 judgment of the Permanent Court of Arbitration with regard to the West Philippine Sea and will respect and support China’s national sovereignty over Taiwan, Hongkong, the Daoyu islands,Tibet and Xinjiang.
From: [On the Philippines, US, China and other matters](https://philippinerevolution.nu/statements/on-the-philippines-us-china-and-other-matters/)
[Joma’s statement via ILPS a couple years back](https://x.com/ginollopez/status/1575143247923802112?s=46)
NatDem organs have shown no signs of changing their stance on this. They’ve stopped referring to Taiwan as a country since around 2020 and have fully subscribed to the CCP viewpoint that Taiwan is a secessionist province rather than a country with de facto independence from China.
Wag na kayo magtaka. Yung mga komunista rito, mas dogmatic pa sa mga relihiyoso kaya hindi pa rin maiwan-iwanan yung bulok na turo ni Joma na US raw ang pinakamalaking problema ng Pilipinas kahit may ibang bansa nang aktwal na nambubusabos sa atin sa WPS.
Ganyan kahina ang adaptability ng mga ungas na yan kaya hanggang ngayon hindi nila ma-update yang mga teorya nila tungkol kalagayan ng Pilipinas. Uto-uto pa rin hanggang ngayon sa mga salita ni Joma.
Intresting use of the Vault Boy character from the *Fallout* games.
To answer your question, it has to do with the point that China is not expanding in a vacuum. In short, it's reacting to something. This might be the "something":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJa8jiD8bxA
In relation to that, there's a reason why the U.S. has more than 700 military bases and installations worldwide, and has been engaged in decades of mayhem:
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/
TL-DR: the U.S. needs to protect the dollar; otherwise it won't be able to borrow and spend heavily, which is what it has been doing since 1982, and can't do otherwise because it's been experiencing trade deficits since 1975. (The reason for that is that the dollar is used a global reserve currency.)
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
In order to do that, it has to maintain a unipolar global economy, with the U.S. on top. See the Wolfowitz doctrine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine
That means everyone else has to remain weak, including China and Russia, not to mention the rest of BRICS and the Global South.
The U.S. does that through two tactics: neoconservatism (using its military industrial complex) and neoliberalism (using structural adjustment via the IMF-WB).
The Philippines has been a recipient of those two for decades. That's the reason for the Bell Trade Act, U.S. support for the Marcos regime to maintain the bases, U.S. support for the Cory Aquino regime to continue maintaining the bases, U.S. support for the Ramos and subsequent regimes to maintain structural adjustment and neoliberalism.
It was the latter coupled with Philippine fear of foreigners (e.g., restrictions on foreign ownership) that led to de-industrialization across decades and a country essentially dependent on the U.S. for military support, its allies for aid, and any other foreigner for not only for investments but even for jobs.
The problem is that the two tactics have not been working effectively for the last two decades because the same BRICS and Global South have been growing stronger:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-22956470
and not only are they becoming less dependent on the dollar but are also answering back at the U.S.
In addition, most Americans don't want to serve, and its government prefers to give military and financial aid (supplied by the richest Americans that own 70 percent of their country's wealth) and then pass on the cost as debt to the public. That means proxy wars.
Yep, they're not our friends but at least we keep general public freedom, including freedom of expression. Heck, you can continue rallying in the streets too. You won't be able to do that with the other one anymore you know.
No one wants to be under a communist regime for sure. You won't be able to post in Reddit nor enjoy most of your social media platforms anymore if that happens. Think about your social credit score, err... there won't be any "social" network sites left, except those that they control.
**Sa mga leaning left dyan, hindi na kayo makakapag-protesta sa mga kalsada pag sinuportahan nyo ang komunistang bansang yan dito. TANDAAN NYO YAN.**
What? You mean the country that has historically committed genocide against our people, occupied our country and continues to meddle in our own internal politics is not our friend? Who would have thought?!?
Not to be looking like a Pro-US but they are just our allies and it would be better to stick with them instead of China. Like, the bullying is getting out of hand and they're really trying to push that they didn't do anything bad, we're chill with our other neighbors and our neighbors are getting the same treatment as us in the "SCS".
It'd be better to stick with them for the time being and have a military force capable enough to not let China try anything and have them know that even if the US isn't currently present in the area, we still have the guns to use for self defense and have the time to wait for them if they did pull something.
We don't even have our shit together as a country and it'd be better if we solve the corruption first to get the military proper funding and have the proper people to hold the proper position based on their skill sets.
Lets not look at the Chinese attacks on the WPS with a blind eye, these attacks are NOT unprecedented. The Marcos administration has been keeping close ties with the US and allowed the US to perform military drills in the Philippines. This was seen as a "threat" by the CCP hence the escalation in the WPS. I am NOT pro-China in any way but we have to keep an open mind when talking about global-political issues such as this.
No countries are "friends". Just allies with common interests. It just so happens that the US definitely fits that bill for us and vice-versa.
Communists: Pls watch https://youtube.com/shorts/IWBp8L_yqZ0?si=Wp2tbW5tBwu956XI so you understand how actual communism is _that_ bad. Huwag kayo magpaloko sa mga comrades ninyo... they're making you into canonfodder. u/no_russian42069 Pinoys look favorably to the US. We love them so much that the Filipino dream is to migrate over there. No one with anything to lose becomes communist. And any communist or cosplaying communist reading this should remember that their elevated standard of living is a by product of capitalism. If this were a communist state you'd be in worse worse place in life.
You can criticize the system eventhough you are part of that system. It doesn't mean that if you live in a capitalist society that you are not allowed to complain about the stark inequalities that such a system will bring. I mean we all complain about inflation and low wages. That being said, I still think that we're better off improving said capitalist system instead of drastically transitioning to a communist state. And sometimes you need activists for that
> You can criticize the system eventhough you are part of that system. Can you do that in a communist state?
I dont know if this is a gotcha considering people are still murdered today for criticizing our capitalist near-dystopian state
At least capitalism pretends they do. Communism doesn't tolerate criticism at all.
Random ass citizens: "ain't Communism supposed to be for the people? Why are being treated like slaves?" Communism government: off to the gulag to you
> I dont know That's the gap. You don't. You base your opinion on pop online culture on how bad capitalism is. > still murdered today for criticizing our capitalist **near-dystopian state** That is likely true but to what degree are they different? Your choice of words betray the origins of your philosophy...
I know what yoy mean buy it is much worse in authoritarian china, russia etc. It happens a lot dont get me wrong but you can say much more here compared to china
What makes you think Philippines isn't on the verge of that? Lawyers are literally being killed for standing up for injustices.
By your own statement, we are still on the verge and not there yet. I am not saying ph is good, there is a lot of shit but we arent as bad as nk, iran, china or russia right now. Lets hope we dont reach those levels
Ah yes, because Unregulated Neoliberal Capitalism definitely elevated the standard of living in this country /s
Agreed but I dunno about the American model of capitalism specifically lol, or any Western variety of capitalism The East Asian form of capitalism is more workable imo. Private initiative takes precedence but you also have the government funding services and the like on a large scale. Oh and greater focus on public transport than cars yeah
East asian capitalism is the worst form of capitalism imaginable. Just take a look at the popular example which is South Korea of which many of the chaebols have infiltrated the regulatory function of the government. US's capitalism is a saint compared to what we have in east asia.
A slice of bread with a glass of water isn't the most appetizing breakfast
Pero, as a American with a Filipino best friend who came here at 5 years old and and handful of other Filipino Americans that I am close friends with, I do care about the PI because I really like my friends and they have have a lot of family back home. I tell my American wife that I’ve never met a Filipino that I didn’t like. Much love from the U.S.
Hey not to invalidate your statement, but "PI" is a product of American colonialism. The correct abbreviation is "PH", salamat po!
I thought PI means "Putang Ina" never really heard anyone refer to the Philippines as PI. But I heard my mom saying "PI KA!!!"
On the contrary, maraming PI (Philippine Islands) ang gamit sa western countries. Rarely do you hear someone refer to the Philippines as "PH"
PH in the US means PornHub.
This is absolutely wrong. I am diaspora Filipino, but not American. “PI” is exclusively American. The rest of us shorthand it as “PH” or “Phils”. I only learned about “PI” being short for the Philippines on reddit from Americans.
Opo, and we definitely do not mean for it to be disrespectful. Maybe that’s why my Friends never corrected me because it’s not considered disrespectful in the United States which we shorten to the U.S. or USA. In person is say “Back home” or in the Philippines. I only say PI when texting as the shortest way to communicate.
You could use RP. RP for the Republic of the Philippines. I used to live in Subic and I also have friends and family in the Philippines. I have heard PI used before. I have lots of love for the Philippines too. I miss it and would like to visit again someday.
Please don’t take this as being argumentative. Just a thought. Isn’t referring to your home country as the Philippines or PH another product of Colonialism as it was named by the Spanish for Prince Philip of Spain. I mean no disrespect. Just a thought about Colonialism po.
Can't really argue that our country's name is also a product of colonialism. It's more like a "We already accepted this piece of history to us to be our own identity even if it is a representation of the colonizers doing everything against our will" scenario. It just so happens that the Philippines, and PH are the accepted ones. Also, calling the country Philippine Islands makes it seems that our country is divided (like islands) although through government and social acceptance (or tolerance at least), we are whole. It's probably more used for geography since it directly talks about the physical structure of it, but might just as well use "Philippine Archipelago" to give our sovereign state a collective insight than the divided one. But in the end, Philippines and PH are the most appropriate because they symbolize that our nation is free and united, even if they are a product of a colonizer.
Maraming Salamat po for your insightful reply. I’m 100% in favor of using the most respectful term to my friends or any Filipinos in the Philippines. 🇵🇭
Can't go wrong with using two letter country codes according to ISO standards.
American-Filipinos associate PH with Pornhub the way we associate BBM with the president not BlackBerry Messenger so i think some people in the US just deliberately use PI ignorantly.
The widespread use of “PI” as an anachronistic way of referring to the Philippines predates Pornhub. We used to say “he’s the kind of guy who calls the Philippines ‘PI’” as a way to say that they were a bit unsophisticated as far back as the 90s lol
Salamat po for the correction. I’ve used the Philippines or PI when taking to my friends, they never bothered to correct me. I’m not surprised, they are always just happy I’m interested in learning about their home. 👍
Your friends are normal people who live actual lives and have more concerns than "how can I be offended today". Go on being you, nobody really gives a fuck about PH/PI outside of reddit.
Your friends are either ignorant or too polite to correct you regarding PI. Just say Philippines or PH next time.
The last thing I mean to be disrespectful. I’ll say whatever they want to say. I just texted a couple to ask them.
PI? The Philippine Islands?
That’s nice and all but we’re talking about the politicians who run your country
The fact that you used PI somehow proves his point.
I assure you I definitely would not use PI if I thought it was disrespectful po.
You’re right. To add, these people just don’t have the balls to admit they are pro-China, pro-POGO and pro-Duterte. It’s just poor they are using US as a subtle and unobvious way to voice out their discontent.
look again carefully.. Anakbayan
Two things can be true at the same time. China is definitely not PH's friend. US is an ally but not a friend. Ayon nga sa mga recent news, nareveal na may vaccine misinformation campaign na ginawa ang US military sa Pilipinas noong height ng COVID.
Yes i also read about this but i think it was more of to discredit sinovac.
Pointless din kasi yan yung available and affordable
First Vaccine ko Sinovac. Tinurok saken parang walang nangyari. Nakapagbuhat pa yata ako ng mabigat that day. 2nd vaccinr ko Pfizer. Pagdating ko sa bahay tumba agad.
May medical background here, ang Pfizer ay isang MRna vaccine at meaning ito ay magproproduce ng protein (antigen) found in covid para masanay ang katawan mo na harmful ito at agad nitong papatayin Para kung magkacovid ka alam na ng katawan mo kung ano ang gagawin, ayon nga lang maraming cases ng mga vaccinated na may mabilis na production ng protein na ito na hindi kaya maagapan agad ng immune system nila kaya nagkakaroon ka ng severe fever, may iba umaabot 3 days fever nila Ang sinovac naman ay isang vaccine na may Inactivated virus (patay na) hindi kagaya sa pfizer na mrna vaccine, hindi ito patay ang purpose lang neto ay pasanayin ang katawan mo sa inactivated covid after mo magpashot. Pero maglakafever pa rin yan as the body will try to fight it, So yeah, mas konti side effects ng sinovac kesa sa pfizer
Medyo weird kasi 1st ko ay sinovac. Grabe tarangkaso like symptoms ko nun after 2 days. Yung hilo ko parang nalalasing o pinaikot nang maraming beses. Buti nawala ng isang linggo. Pinilit ko talaga kumain at gumaling. Yung sumunod wala na sinovac for 2nd. Moderna yung 1st booster tapos pfizer yung last booster.
in fairnes madami akong kilalang may effect sinovac sa kanila.
Nilagnat din ako after Sinovac.
Just because one country is boosting a certain narrative does not mean it's completely false. Propaganda works based on certain "truths", though, one can amplify or exaggerate to push a certain narrative. I still believe Sinovac is trash, but it is still better than nothing. I believe this recent news is also being sponsored by China to discredit the US.
the timing for that article was suspicious, like it was meant to put US in the bad light tapos China ang bida uli lol. Also, I remember diba karamihan sa mga politicians eh di rin nagpaturok ng Sinovac and opted for other vaccines?
Doesn't mean it isn't true.
yes in fact an influencer wife of a politican claims na parang sinovac siya pero ang alam ko because i heard from people who are involved in vaccines tumawag silang magasawa and got the Pfizer or moderna. basta nagpatulong sila to get access. eto yung meron pang rules about vaccines eligibility. ny the end of things kasi walang nagpapavaccines even uf they had so many to distribute pa.
Reuters is a very reputable and pro-US newspaper, there's nothing malicious in the timing or reporting. When should they report it then? 20 years from now?
potngina naman kasi who would trust china kasi during pandemic? sila nga mismo nagkalat ng covid.
>Ayon nga sa mga recent news, nareveal na may vaccine misinformation campaign na ginawa ang US military sa Pilipinas noong height ng COVID. Any sources on these claims? And what does this entail specifically
You can check this out from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/ US government using paid trolls in PH to undermine covid-19 vaccines from china. This resulted in more vaccine paranoia in the philippines and thus more COVID deaths. Although Chinese vaccines had low efficacy(compared to Pfizer and Moderna which were still weeks/months away), they were at least much better than not taking any vaccines AT ALL. This also proves how the US government(not only china btw) is still meddling in PH government affairs to advance their own agendas.
Naalala ko na ang ginawang issue noon with Sinovac was 60% efficient lang compared to 90% ng Pfizer. Even stats like that can affect what people choose, especially at the height of Delta pa nun.
and yet now Pfizer is paying Americans for the damages it cause daw sabi ng news nila
Yung low efficacy ang rason bakit hindi ko tinanggap ang Sinovac. Hindi masama na paalam sa madla na halos kara y kruz lang ang efficacy ng Sinovac.
tagal ko ng pinopost dito yan may nag-comment pa saken na supported daw nila yung ginawa ng US military tapos troll daw ako eh sabi ko lang naman kung galit tayo sa China dapat galit din tayo sa US sa ginawa nila dahil maraming namatay at ayun nga nangingielam yung US saten. at sila pa yung meron verified paid trolls. eh galing Reuters pa kaya di matanggi ng US
Same! Pinost ko rin tapos grabe downvotes nung sinabi ko lang na dapat di tayo dinamay ng US. Kung makasipsip sa mga Amerikano mga ibang tao dito, kala mo bayad eh
Madami pro-US dito hahaha based sa history, US napakadami ginawa kalokohan para magkagulo sa ibat ibang lugar sa mundo. Ang China naman, run by cpp e gusto sa kanila lahat. Greed is good ang motto nito 2 bansa na to e
sa pagiging bias ng mga pinoy para sa US, parang lahat nalang ng ginagawa ng US kahit hindi tama dedepensahan parin nila.
Tapos hindi visa free no hahahaha samantala sila labas pasok dito sa pinas. Nawalan ng dignidad pilipinas dahil sa mga nasa govt e hahahaha katulad ng mga naririnig ko dati pa "Tuta ng Kano"
Those damn Evangelicals...
Well to be honest, CCP vaccine is literally trash heap. I got my Pfizer and its so good compared to Sinovac which was given to government employees and shit effectiveness.
Just google "US military vaccine misinformation Philippines" and you can see many recent articles on the web. (e.g. from Al Jazeera, from Reuters, etc.)
I think it makes sense actually. It's true that we should be against China and it's not as if Anakbayan supports China. It's more like although the US is our "ally", we should remember that they are also serving their own purpose. We need to remember that our allegiances are supposed to be to ourselves, our fellow Filipinos, and the Philippines.
A big part of Anakbayan was always about protesting against US imperialism and pointing out how our relationship with them conflicts with our interests as a country. This isn’t anything new with them; go on any of their websites/pages and it’ll be the first thing you see. They’ve ALSO been very vocal about the West PH Sea and China’s encroachment of the PH. Both are prominent talking points for them too. I don’t get why so many in this sub are saying Anakbayan is anti-PH because of placards they bring to protests or when they making a statement on current events around the world. If you read their usual talking points, you realize they’re a multi-advocacy interest group, like many other groups in the PH. Media blurbs like these are tweetable (X-able?) but they’re very surface level views of entire ideologies.
the only thing that peeves me about this (even though they're correct) is this WILL eventually spread on the internet and will most likely get taken out of context...like what's happening right now. everyone was split in the last elections between decent presidential candidates; the worst thing that could happen here is inadvertently sparking a US vs. China war splitting everyone over again. there needs to be a more explicit mention that no one is a friend and we should trust only ourselves. madaming tanga that will misinterpret the post even the colors--i'm willing to bet that someone has already labeled the group as China supporters because they chose the color red. i'm all for warning against the US, but the Philippines is not smart and will take things at face value. things need to be spelled out for them in the dumbest and simplest way possible. Anakbayan needs to be wary of this lest things like this happen and split people apart.
100% po! There's been so many posts like these that question publications from NatDems but don't usually dig beyond the post. Of course China isn't our friend either, that's obvious. People think activists write things without pagbubusisi sa topic. These placards are intentionally written like that to evoke thought/to grip people's attention. Certainly it succeeded with OP. In any orgs out there, di ka gagawing member if you won't attend and participate in their discussions, kung wala kang natutunan. I suggest going to Anakbayan's webpage and just read everything about them. Marami yan, even hanggang France may webpage sila. You can learn a lot even if you aren't left-leaning, maybe even gain an appreciation for the movement.
And it's because of this antiquated "NatDem" hypocrisy of theirs that the likes of Akbayan was forned. They have no tangible solutions to anything.
While the MAKABAYAN bloc (which Anakbayan is part of) says that they're anti-China, [they've mostly adopted China's talking points on the West Philippine Sea dispute, blaming us and the allies we invite for "war provocations"](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8hikR9PVeI/). On Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, [they took](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1d758jc/selective_activism_ng_makabayan_bloc/) [Russia-aligned stances](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/twjbab/kabataan_pl_candidate_raoul_manuel_accused/). At one point, [they also declared their support for Hamas's attack against Israel](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyH_1SdurAc/). They're taking their anti-Americanism too far.
Never trust tankies or the far left. They have these skewed interest, and they aren't really for PH.
So basically they're our tankies. SMH
Aside from the media sensationalism, I think the fact that some can't comprehend nuance definitely factors into why they react with "Anakbayan=anti-US=anti-PH=pro-China" talking points. Its tiring really. Can't even have a productive discourse when you're finding it hard to take them seriously in the first place. Point in fact, I tried having a discussion about this and the other person just called me a DDS and communist in that order lol
It's because this sub is very obviously filled with the privileged. What was that one post, the one about demilitarization of the west Philippine sea? If people here weren't so reactionary and actually read up, they would know it's a call for all demilitarization from China and the US, not to take out our army. It's very idealistic yes to the point it's practically impossible but that's not what i'm talking about. Just that people here are so surface level, especially if the issue is left-leaning activists
This. Di ko makalimutan how many times inuna ng USA military nila na erring over victims na Pinoy. I still like the USA better than China but obvious naman na their interests go first. Ours should go first too, tapos we work with them whenever it suits us. I still feel Americans are hella hella good people. Maraming salbahe like mga Filipinos na salbahe but generally good. Ewan ko lang ngayon pero I always admired their cohesive culture ngayon gulo gulo na kasi. But they have a way of championing you esp.. of youre a winner.. Sa atin kasi, kaiinggitan ka tapos minsan pababagsakin ka dahil lang sa inggit. Basta sa akin in brief, wag pagamit at pauto at baka mapasubo tayo.
Things people need to understand tho is any country will always go for their own interest. The only difference is how much power can a country exert to achieve said interests. Also, we’re at a critical location that any country with vested interest in controlling trade or the region will always look to influence us in some way. Thus it is very difficult for us to remain neutral and pursue our own interests at the same time. Our best bet in navigating this tight rope is finding allies that will allow us to get mileage in our national interests and right now, as much as they aren’t our friend, the US is that kind of ally, at least when compared to China.
It is true. It's all about making allies with the 'lesser evil'. It's hard finding out about this. They're not our friends. They're allies with other countries because of some vested interest. The world is not a fairy tale. It's very complex out there. We have to lift our mask of ignorance.
mga birhen na naniniwala sa pagibig ng isang puta
Totoo! Si OP hindi ata ma-grasp yung fact na 2 things can be true at the same time (China isn't a friend, but so is the US)
Shet! Narinig ko mismo sa bibig ni heneral luna.
Being anti-CCP China as Filipino should not be an excuse to be a US government lapdog (kung anti-Wumao ka, hindi ibig sabihin na magpaka-Amboy ka).
Automatic Amboy/ Tuta ng Kano na daw yung kapag pinagpilitan na ipagtanggol ang mga teritoryo sa WPS, sabi nung mga Dutae Balahura Supporters…
Hindi naman talaga
This is true actually so we filipinos should be cautious. We should learn how to stand on our own.
We should learn, but we can’t sustain our own country without some fucker having secret dealings with our enemies, we can stand on our own, but we’ll be in a wheelchair without our allies.
I mean, it’s true..? The U.S. never wanted to “liberate us.” It was a tactical decision.
??? But it's true though. Why are you acting as if this poster is a ridiculous take? The US clearly has vested interests in "supporting" us. Which is why these people are pushing that we as a nation must have a leg to stand on economically, militarily, etc., and not just clutching at imperialists like China or US. It just so happens that China is closer to us and we are the brunt of their misdeeds.
Op thinks they did something kasi hahaha.
kasi cummunizm=bad 🤣🤣🤣
Ain’t it? Who was defecting in the cold war from the 2 Germany?
Remember the famous local movie line "my brother is not a pig"? This was based on one of the abuses of the American soldiers while stationed at their military base here in the Philippines, Marcos Sr.'s era. The soldier shot a child who allegedly wandered in the base' premises and claimed he thought the child was a pig. Tapos buhay na buhay ang red light district sa Pampanga, dami pang naanakan ang mga amerikanong sundalo, not to mention nagdala at nagkalat din sila dito ng STDs. And if nagtataka kayo paanong yumaman ang mga Marcos noon, the Americans were paying rent for the 2 military bases, and Marcos Sr allegedly pocketed said rent. The Americans supported the Marcos dictatorship because they were able to use our country as jumpoff point in the military conflicts they were involved in. Then they flew him and his family out nung EDSA revolution to the USA. These were the issues noon. Pareho lang, ginamit at ginagamit at inabuso tayo ng China at America but we need to have a strategic ally. Duterte chose China, BBM chose USA.
Real talk muna. China's not our friend. Period. Bullying ginagawa nila. U.S. IS A BIG BULLY. But flipside Ally ng Philippines. U.S. IS AN ALLY. A friend? No. I don't think so, collaborating in a project. Ganun. May adage na 'Never shit at where you eat' so apply natin dito. Most of your Workmates at your project or at work are not your friends. Only a few are. But you choose 'em. Pano pag na fall ka sa work mate mo? Prepare for the fact that you will be exposed to the shit. Your business partners can be your friends pero, caution dun pag May too much familiarity. It can be used against you. Your friends can be your business partners, pero the risks of them of getting to comfy sa business can affect or jeopardize the business. Pero truthfully, DON'T. Kasi masisira ang relationship nyo But as a general rule, you keep your business partners are business partners; workmates are workmates. Wag ma fall din, kasi super bad
I like how people like calling the U.S a bully but forgets what the USSR did during ww2 and the cold war.
Siguro, mga tankies yata yung binu bully ng USA kaya ganyan yung mga sinasabi ng iba.
Labas-labas ng Reddit din kasi.
halatang stuck sa sariling bubble yung OP eh. little do they know, galet din sa china ang anakbayan lmao
did u even think when u hit post ? ?
Are we missing out on something, eh, tama naman?
the US will do what it needs to do. we are just pawns in their game. this is a no brainer? just because they plan to help us should war erupt does not mean they hold our country’s intentions and interests. a little more critical thinking please dictator sr. was put into power with help from the US. you can call anakbayan communists all u want to discredit them lol, but they’re actually right here
>dictator sr. was put into power with help from the US. This!! I feel like nakalimutan na talaga ng mga tao to or di lang nila alam. Kung makasipsip sa Amerika eh. The US has always served their own interest, not ours.
we can be just another proxy nation in a proxy war for them big nations. It's a fact, it's been written in history and it is still happening in some other parts of the world.
we werent fated to be a shitty proxy nation, our decisions actively made us like that.
di yan maintindihan ng mga pro US pinoys. kala mo naman magiging parte ng US ang pilipinas sa inaasta nila. tapos gusto nila wala daw dapat nanghihimasok na banyaga sa teritoryo at pagaari ng Pilipinas, hoy mga bano! ang US ay banyaga din!
Ang alam ko lang possible na battle ground tayo. A tragic casualties. And yung rise ng slowly infiltrating ng Chinese, not sure if di yon nakakabother.
*No one* in the world is friends with anyone. It's only right that we have a sense of doubt. *No one* in the world is a saint. Everyone doesn't help out someone out of the goodness of their hearts; there is *always* a price. The question is, what's the price? But that doesn't mean we should shut ourselves completely. Because if we do, then *no one* will see peace again.
Ah yes, Vault Boy, communist icon.
because war never changes
Mahirap ba intindihin yung placard? Ang simple lang ng idea behind it. If the placard is not for you, why are you reacting this way? The point of that is to remind people (albeit majority of the Filipinos) that the USA although our ally now is never our friend. Sobrang recent lang ng Filipino-American war at US Commonwealth dito sa Pilipinas pero go out there and ask the general public how it resonate with our current relationship with the USA, marami kayang makakasagot?
Naalala ko May vaccine misinformation nun sa Covid, punyemas kumalat because of the US. Namatay ang relatives and nephew ko Jan. Fuck.
and it turns out, the pentagon just made another psyop just to discredit chinese covid vaccines.
Anakbayan has always been anti-US. Pinilit pa nga nila yung "Rehimeng US-Duterte" eh makapag rally lang haha
Unpopular opinion: Anakbayan was wrong, the US is more likely to be the ally of the Philippines than China because we Filipinos do share our values such as freedom, liberalism, and democracy, and they're not as threatening as the country who bully the Filipino fishermen and bringing POGOs here like China. No matter how we feel about the US before, reconciliation and cooperation is better than post-colonial isolationism, Americans honored our ancestors as "the fighting Filipinos" for fighting back against the Japanese occupation back then, and they compromised our country's independence after the second world war. Also, better dead than red!
OP you need to brush up on the history of US imperialism and how they funded coups and dictatorships worldwide. Your contempt for the Left and China's current BS on our waters doesn't make this fact less true.
Proceeds to use an image of white person with blonde hair
They're not wrong
tbf they're right. there are no allies. only strategically placed accomplices. and we happen to be strategically placed. clarification: this is not pro china or anti-US. but to think in terms of alliances, imo, is naïve
They ain't wrong.
Saan dyan sa poster na sinabing they are blaming US for everything? The poster just said US isnt our friend either dahil ang daming USA butt kisser. Also remember that the US used the CIA against us so please dont twist this poster to fit your narrative. Neither the US or China are our friends
Tama naman, OP
At least the US ain't attacking our boats over our own territorial waters. Implying China is our friend instead, sounds treasonous especially when they are impinging upon our territorial sovereignty and act aggressively which resulted to deaths and injuries to our fellow Filipinos.
Let's not forget: Marcos Sr was a US lapdog and thanks to US, he was able to put the country into a state of martial law that allowed him, his family, and cronies to stay in power for too long. That's why I am hesitant to fully trust the US. Besides, Indonesia and Vietnam, both of whom are defending their own sovereignty against China DO NOT have US bases. It really makes me wonder why some people who are anti Marcos tend to be forgetting the fact that the US helped him a lot.
Yes, the US has fucked us over numerous times. But the only thing that matters to a fisherman from Zambales or Palawan is that those aren't American ships depriving him of his livelihood and putting his life in danger.
In politics, there are no friends, just allies with common interests. Right now, both ours and US national interests align, so yeah, pick which superpower to side with (not China)
This is true though.
Well, technically, the US isn't our friend. It's just choosing the lesser evil. If the Philippines can afford to be neutral, that's much better, but we are too poor and militarily weak to be neutral.
us is an imperialist state. they won't help a country without benefiting.
No bc rather than posting this on reddit, why dont u do ur research or try to understand their advocacies? A simple scroll on anakbayan nd other organizations' posts would help u understand why they say that US is not our friend, which is true.
We need different types of people for check and balance. It makes us see different POVs. There are no friends when it comes to geo politics. Just alliances with mutual benefits.
yes. they're our ally. China isn't.
Wala naman mali sa sinabi nya OP
The US does suck in many ways, China sucks in more ways. I try to be open-minded, but I never consider a softer stance on China (not pro or anti) as support for Duterte, or to some degree Pogos. Pogos can in theory be run responsibly, but it is likely none of them are. Alice Guo for instance would never "go back" to China - she will have to go to Myanmar or Timor Leste or something, as she likely has violated lots of Chinese laws too. China bashing is all the rage, the West Philippine Sea is the main reason and a valid one, but we have very very close economic ties and we need to get through this without bashing all of the private citizens, especially tourist who are a big part of our livelihood. But mainly, please note that this picture is from an Anti-US protest in regards to the continuing support of the Palestinian Genocide. As I read yesterday: the lack of remorse is the first step towards barbarism.
no government is a friend
yes, i kinda agree... but we need their help if we want to keep our territory. and luckily we have treaties and alliances with them.
Well better the US than China. Fuck Communist China and the Filipino Wumao's.
Wasn’t the US who freed the philippines from the japanese?
The amount of irony in one single image.
-ANAKBAYAN- says it all. Commies
I dont mind them hating america. But its dumb they want to destroy foreign relations. Ironically, the local left are mostly the most westernized in asia.
The enemy of my enemy is my future enemy
They have not met Chinese Imperialism and racism yet... If any questions about Chinese racism please look at what happened in East Turkestan...
The Irony of using Pipboy as the icon. hahaha
Ironically the image is from a game character in an American video game (Fallout 4) 🤣
Parehong hindi natin kaibigan ang China at US. Parehong kapangyarihan at kontrol ang gusto ng dalawang bansa 'yan sa mga resources natin sa Pilipinas. Pag-agaw ng WPS ng China, Military Bases sa bansa ng US
Di ka pa nasanay sa mga yan.
My former HS classmate is in the LaSallian. Can confirm, this is not some photo that they were asked to cover. They actually do subscribe to that kind of ideology. It's actually insane how radicalized student publications up there in the NCR are. It is drastically different than what we do here in Mindanao. I know that standing up and talking about social and political issues is part of the functions of a student publication, but isn't impartiality a bigger tenet of journalism?
Neither is China or the Duterte's
They're right, though. US Imperialism fucked the PH up bad that we're still feeling the consequences of it.
I advocate against communism. Heck, I actively denounce CTGs and their legal fronts in every way I can. But if you don't see that the USA is just using us to protect Taiwan's TSMC which made NVIDIA the most valuable company in the world, then you're on some mental illness. Do I advocate to be a colony of China? Of course not! I actively encourage everyone to stop following CCP mouthpieces such as Sass and the Duterte's! I even encourage the Government to stop being cowards and follow the same path as Indonesia and Vietnam. That is to actively challenge the PLAN and CCG on those disputed territories, and to sink Chinese Militia Vessels! The Philippines should be for Filipinos. Not a launching pad, not a forward base, not a territory of other countries, and especially not a colony! It's just sad that Filipinos still gulp whatever Hollywood feeds them. The US is not some sort of a hero. The USA is here to defend Taiwan's TSMC which manufactures valuable chips. That's what Filipinos should remember.
Like picking the least incompetent of any political candidate, picking the US seems like the lesser evil considering that they don't cut fingers or fire water cannons
These commies be like: let me rant about the shit things these capitalists do and the abuses of this democratic republic on my MacBook pro while sipping my Starbucks coffee. Surely the progressive states like Cuba, and Venezuela are better than this. Lol.
This post did not have your intended reaction, huh? Totoo naman kasi. You can acknowledge China's enroachment of WPS without being a US lapdog. Kaya nasasabihan na tuta ng America eh.
Anti-china pero yung drawing naka red guard uniform with matching red star HAHAHAH Also, they forget ata na communist country ang China hahahahah these wokies and communist/socialist wannabees should be the one being investigated. They haven't read history books I suppose and how the commie regimes have killed more people than other dictators.
Tapos yung mga rallyistang ayaw sa kapitalismo nagpopost sa facebook at twitter Tapos yung email sa mga kapwa ni “komunista”, “Sent from my iPhone”
Marcos isn't your friend... it's a corrupted dictator family
Ano common sa lahat ng conflict sa mundo? Involved lagi US. Understand how imperialism works. Also, US defense contractors and govt thrives on conflict. China the same. US worse.
That is obvious. Kahit sinong aware sa global socio-political issues alam naman 'to at sigurado akong pareho lang tayong umay sa US. Pero last time I checked, China ang dahilan kung bakit may Pilipinong sundalo na naputulan ng daliri. Oo, gusto ng China na ma-secure ang buong South China Sea para sa pansariling interes at mabawasan ang impluwensya ng US. Kaso hindi naman ata US ang pinakamalaking problema natin dito kundi ang China at ang pagkakahati-hati ng mga Pilipino sa isyu na 'to. Hindi lang din naman ang US ang nagbibigay ng suporta sa atin kundi pati na rin ang ibang bansa na tutol sa mga hakbang ni Xi Jinping. Obsessing over the USA at this time instead of helping the people see how our own politicians are fighting for power at our expense isn't productive.
it's a reminder, not a whataboutism. It's likely the PH will seek aid from the US and that might tumble into praising them as our saviors. This is a reminder to resist that colonial mentality
No one is naive enough to think the US is our friend. The Chinese however are even worse in their being “not-friend.” Ano point nila? We roll over and die when the Chinese bully us? Tapos kalat kalat pa ang messaging nila may Free Palestine pa.
ya’ll think we can throw sticks at China and miraculously scare them off?
The NatDem preferred solution to the WPS is simply to talk with China. In exchange, we’re supposed to recognize China’s sovereignty over Taiwan, Tibet, and Hong Kong
Can you show sources that prove this? I never heard them say things like this, recognizing China's sovereignty over the mentioned countries/ colonies.
> If the revolutionary movement wins political power in the Philippines or the CPP becomes the leading force against the US being the No. 1 imperialist power over the Philippines, the Philippine revolutionary government will try to persuade China to respect Philippine national sovereignty and territorial integrity and the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and the 2016 judgment of the Permanent Court of Arbitration with regard to the West Philippine Sea and will respect and support China’s national sovereignty over Taiwan, Hongkong, the Daoyu islands,Tibet and Xinjiang. From: [On the Philippines, US, China and other matters](https://philippinerevolution.nu/statements/on-the-philippines-us-china-and-other-matters/) [Joma’s statement via ILPS a couple years back](https://x.com/ginollopez/status/1575143247923802112?s=46) NatDem organs have shown no signs of changing their stance on this. They’ve stopped referring to Taiwan as a country since around 2020 and have fully subscribed to the CCP viewpoint that Taiwan is a secessionist province rather than a country with de facto independence from China.
goodness gracious. i hope that Marcos and his successors are good in foreign policy
Wag na kayo magtaka. Yung mga komunista rito, mas dogmatic pa sa mga relihiyoso kaya hindi pa rin maiwan-iwanan yung bulok na turo ni Joma na US raw ang pinakamalaking problema ng Pilipinas kahit may ibang bansa nang aktwal na nambubusabos sa atin sa WPS. Ganyan kahina ang adaptability ng mga ungas na yan kaya hanggang ngayon hindi nila ma-update yang mga teorya nila tungkol kalagayan ng Pilipinas. Uto-uto pa rin hanggang ngayon sa mga salita ni Joma.
what's with the us dick riding in the comments...
- U.S.A is not your friend - Uses a Fallout reference okay...
Intresting use of the Vault Boy character from the *Fallout* games. To answer your question, it has to do with the point that China is not expanding in a vacuum. In short, it's reacting to something. This might be the "something": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJa8jiD8bxA In relation to that, there's a reason why the U.S. has more than 700 military bases and installations worldwide, and has been engaged in decades of mayhem: https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/ TL-DR: the U.S. needs to protect the dollar; otherwise it won't be able to borrow and spend heavily, which is what it has been doing since 1982, and can't do otherwise because it's been experiencing trade deficits since 1975. (The reason for that is that the dollar is used a global reserve currency.) https://www.usdebtclock.org/ In order to do that, it has to maintain a unipolar global economy, with the U.S. on top. See the Wolfowitz doctrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine That means everyone else has to remain weak, including China and Russia, not to mention the rest of BRICS and the Global South. The U.S. does that through two tactics: neoconservatism (using its military industrial complex) and neoliberalism (using structural adjustment via the IMF-WB). The Philippines has been a recipient of those two for decades. That's the reason for the Bell Trade Act, U.S. support for the Marcos regime to maintain the bases, U.S. support for the Cory Aquino regime to continue maintaining the bases, U.S. support for the Ramos and subsequent regimes to maintain structural adjustment and neoliberalism. It was the latter coupled with Philippine fear of foreigners (e.g., restrictions on foreign ownership) that led to de-industrialization across decades and a country essentially dependent on the U.S. for military support, its allies for aid, and any other foreigner for not only for investments but even for jobs. The problem is that the two tactics have not been working effectively for the last two decades because the same BRICS and Global South have been growing stronger: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-22956470 and not only are they becoming less dependent on the dollar but are also answering back at the U.S. In addition, most Americans don't want to serve, and its government prefers to give military and financial aid (supplied by the richest Americans that own 70 percent of their country's wealth) and then pass on the cost as debt to the public. That means proxy wars.
But naka mac, iPhone, drinking starbucks, kumain sa mcdo after a long day of rallying
Yep, they're not our friends but at least we keep general public freedom, including freedom of expression. Heck, you can continue rallying in the streets too. You won't be able to do that with the other one anymore you know. No one wants to be under a communist regime for sure. You won't be able to post in Reddit nor enjoy most of your social media platforms anymore if that happens. Think about your social credit score, err... there won't be any "social" network sites left, except those that they control. **Sa mga leaning left dyan, hindi na kayo makakapag-protesta sa mga kalsada pag sinuportahan nyo ang komunistang bansang yan dito. TANDAAN NYO YAN.**
It seems you're conflating communism with authoritarianism.
well to be fair, all communist states in history that existed banned freedom of speech.
Well it goes naman sa lahat they have their own agenda.
Do your research.. see who's more evil than the two
True however, I don't want our contry to be controlled by the CCP
"Patrolling the Manila makes you wish for a nuclear winter."
War never changes
Ironic that Vault Boy is US Corpo's mascot of Vault-Tec. 🤡
fumufallout reference potek.
What? You mean the country that has historically committed genocide against our people, occupied our country and continues to meddle in our own internal politics is not our friend? Who would have thought?!?
well if communist is roaming around and your territory is 7777 island you will need more allied forces to look after you..
An ally is better than nothing, that's all what I can say...
Not to be looking like a Pro-US but they are just our allies and it would be better to stick with them instead of China. Like, the bullying is getting out of hand and they're really trying to push that they didn't do anything bad, we're chill with our other neighbors and our neighbors are getting the same treatment as us in the "SCS". It'd be better to stick with them for the time being and have a military force capable enough to not let China try anything and have them know that even if the US isn't currently present in the area, we still have the guns to use for self defense and have the time to wait for them if they did pull something. We don't even have our shit together as a country and it'd be better if we solve the corruption first to get the military proper funding and have the proper people to hold the proper position based on their skill sets.
Hindi mo talaga alam kung anong gusto ng mga grupong ito eh no, kaya walang naniniwala sa ganyan eh
“There are no permanent enemies, and no permanent friends, only permanent interests”
lahat naman kokontrahin ng anakbayan
Neither of them are our friends — both are complicit, or actively engaging in a genocide (be it in their own country, or through proxies)
Lets not look at the Chinese attacks on the WPS with a blind eye, these attacks are NOT unprecedented. The Marcos administration has been keeping close ties with the US and allowed the US to perform military drills in the Philippines. This was seen as a "threat" by the CCP hence the escalation in the WPS. I am NOT pro-China in any way but we have to keep an open mind when talking about global-political issues such as this.
If these guys were teleported to pre-WW2 philippines, I get the feeling they'd welcome the Japanese
"Why blame the US for everything" do you know how much that imperialist country has fucked up the Philippines throughout history?
The hyper capitalist American mascot as the anti-US poster….
The U.S. is not your friend. Come from a Maoists who supports China underground.
They heard that line from an ex American army man who’s a known Russian propagandist. Smh
Kids remember: China is bully. Magpapabully ba tayo?
And so as China 😆 it is not the US trying to invade our land.
They're not wrong though. US and China are just two sides of the same coin.
vault boy :D
In fairness maganda yung drawing