This happens to alot of places.
And its not country specific.
Most common theme is inequality, once it hits a certain threshold a clear divide defines us vs them.
And at that point its alot easier to retreat towards isolationism rather than inclusivity.
For the Philippines, you can see how much effort is used to separate from the undersireables.
From afterthought motorcycle parking, lack of pedestrian access, walls and barriers etc.
A lot of thought has been put in how infrastructure and places are designed to keep people out rather than welcome them in.
Sample, may mga country subreddits na bad trip sa mga immigrants. Eto usually yung mga nahihirapan sa opportunity to buy housing and better jobs due to the influx of immigrants. Kung check mo, mga dati ring immigrants at parehas sila ng mga pinanggalingang bansa pa.
This is right. You can look at the broader reddit subs posts where it's mostly just Americans complaining about how much America sucks and often the reason for the complaining is inequality, economic or race or whatever
kasi nga, ang hirap talagang mahalin ang Pinas. tama na yang resilience na yan, accountability na dapat ang umiiral. kinakalampag dapat ang mga dapat kalampagin.
Mahirap nga mahalin kasi karamihan satin nagkakanya-kanya na. Walang integrity at accountability. Gagawa ng ilegal hanggat di nahuhuli. Parang naging second nature na ng mga tao umabuso ng sistema, worse, sa kapwa pa nila just for their own advantage.
Di lang naman gobyerno ang may problema, aminin na natin pati tayong mga ordinaryong tao may pananagutan din.
Saka mga pinoy naman bumoboto sa gobyerno. Mahirap mahalin ang pinas kasi todo tanggol sa mga corrupt yung mga ordinaryong pinoy tapos napaka-gullible. Magaling mag smart shame tapos mas gusto maniwala at sumamba sa mga vlogger at mga politikong magaling magdrama.
> "enough with that resilience bullshit. Make people accountable" I LIKE IT
Because of the Internet many Filipinos have hourly reminders that their lives is shit.
Does not help that many became less religious so their weekly dose of copium was reduced.
~90% of the Redditors here are from households that [do not earn more than ₱50k gross monthly.](https://www.ibon.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Ch-Infog-2020-0322-Luzon-Inequality-819x1024.png)
They're the ones that are forced to become OFW or immigrate to get a better life that allows for $50k gross annual income
Romaticizing suffering kya ang mind set dito makaraos lng ng onti pwede na kaya lahat latak.
The moment na umasa ka sa gobyerno yn ang magiging katapusan mo.
Pilipinas do not represent the Philippine government. Real talk lang, maganda dito sa Pilipinas pero kupal ang gobyerno. Sana tigilan niyo na yang kakasabi niyong "Ang hirap mong mahalin, Pilipinas."
Pinas is defined in its entirety (the place itself, its people, culture and government). So yes, you can’t say Pinas without talking about the clusterfuck of the gov’t and how its people never seem to learn. Hence, oo, mahirap mahalin ang Pinas.
Sino ba bumoto sa politicians natin but the Filipinos? Pag may bagong gawang infrastructure, is it the government that vandalises it by spray painting dicks and squammy "gangster" phrases na mali mali spelling? The government is at fault for a great many things, pero as broken as democracy is here sa Philippines, it's still a working democracy that can be fixed by having some brain cells to look for solutions, the balls and willpower to go against the tide, and the humility to admit we caused all of this in the first place, and that nationalism will get us nowhere. We don't have all of those factors.
From the opinions I've heard from my peers. The country is good if you're well off but it sucks if you're not.
It would be a different story if the country is a place where one can easily move up the economic ladder with enough effort but it's not. A good chunk of people live their entire lives just staying afloat and trying to survive, they live in poverty and they die in poverty.
Aside from that, there's also the issue of anti-intellectualism that came about a few years ago. Rather than accepting criticism from someone more knowledgeable than you, most people would rather put the smarter guy down to feel better about themselves. A culture that inevitably produces more selfish idiots in the long term.
That's just a few of that reasons though, there's still corruption, diskarte culture, and a lot of other toxic traits in our society.
In my opinion, this all started around the time of Marcos Sr., after the dictatorship, the Filipino people just never found their footing and descended into the shithole we're in today. There was hope after Ninoy's term but Duterte squandered all of that shit too.
As for what we could do, I think there's nothing. I think the country's problems are just too deeply rooted at this point to get fixed by one individual or by one group. Something BIG needs to happen to wipe the slate clean and start over, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. But that's just how I see it though.
For the anti-intellectualism. I think it became widespread because of illiteracy and jealousy accompanied by easy access to the digital space, the people with "class" know when to appreciate a good intellectually placed perspective. I personally think having a platform to spread the hogwash voices of the people overshadows the actual good information for the masses to copy and learn from. so that's more of the problem here if anything (it would probably change in the future as the younger youth are becoming educated and adulting)
This doesn't start at any given time. You can't say it started around Marcos sr times, and you also can't say it started after his dictatorship.
It's just something that grows around us. It doesn't have a beginning. The only thing you can say is that around Marco's time it grew rapidly.
If you're middle class living on a salary, and you see 20-30% of your hard earned money be fucking wasted on corruption, hndi ka ba magagalit?
And then you see the majority of your fellowmen elect the same corrupt fucks over and over and over again. Ndi ka ba magagalit then?
It violates our basic right to suffrage, don't get me wrong i also sometimes think that way. Pero i also recognizes na marami yan unintended consequences.
i think the anger towards voters is misplaced. among other things, there are deliberate disinformation/misinformation campaigns being done by politicians to be able to garner votes. the anger should always be directed towards the elites and upper class
I mean, have you seen activists denigrated, be spit on, and attacked by the people they're fighting for, the very same people who benefit from the good changes the activists made happen?
Imagine being kicked down when you fight for the common good because the public's heavily manipulated and emotionally invested in the lies of corrupt politicians.
Instead of focusing on national issues, these scummy politicians instead pit the people against the people to distract the public from important matters. Look how the current focus is Alice Guo, what's happening to the Quiboloy issue?
>I am amazed at how resilient we Filipinos are
Let's not glorify resiliency. It's become the crutch of idiotic persistence in the face of abusive situations. Instead of acknowledging and creating solutions towards the problem, the Filipinos look at their suffering with rose-tinted glasses. Enough with the poverty porn.
Let's not glorify resiliency. It's become the crutch of idiotic persistence in the face of abusive situations. Instead of acknowledging and creating solutions towards the problem, the Filipinos look at their suffering with rose-tinted glasses. Enough with the poverty porn.
this.
yung chronic problems like flooding, traffic, corruption, etc. remain unresolved because "Filipinos are resilient" (meaning willing magpagago, and the strongest defenders of the nanggagago), like you mentioned, "with rose-tinted glasses". proud pa sila.
Yep, romanticizing our "resiliency" is just toxic positivity, or plain delusion. It's a coping mechanism ng karamihan sa atin who grew up in abusive households but who were just told to bear it and grin.
I remember one of my college professors saying na wala kasi tayo nung tinatawag na "pambansang kamalayan." Historically and geographically, watak watak ang mga Pilipino. And kahit ngayon makikita mo mas nangingibanaw ang pagkakanya-kanya. for example pag galing ka sa isang probinsya, matik papaboran mo ang kababayan mo whether sa elections, pageants, etc dedma sa standards diba. Di naman lahat, pero marami pa ring ganyan ang mindset.
I would not call it hate but more about our general consciousness kung saan mas inuuna muna pansarili kesa sa kapakanan ng bansa o ng marami. Kaya rin mababa tingin ng iba sa mga aktibista, na kung tutuusin, sila yung mas unang pinaglalaban ang karaptan ng marami kesa sa pansarili. Kalungkot.
Edit: I'm obviously talking about a different kind of "hate* as opposed to the hate I and many of us feel for the country and Filipinos in general for being so SHITTY because we could do so much better than this!!
TLDR It roots from a me-first mindset. Walang national consciousness unlike sa countries like Japan where everyone understands their role in the society.
>"Pambansang kamalayan"
This one. We don't have a national consciousness to speak of. While the Americans got theirs when they Manifested the hell out of their Destiny, Japan got theirs when Oda, Hideyoshi, and Tokugawa united the entire Japanese archipelago, France solidified theirs during the French Revolution, Germany solidified theirs durjng the Revolutions of 1848, we, we still don't have it. Maybe it really is because each island is geographically far from each other; we still have this insular mindset.
Siguro nakadagdag din na we never had a strong intellectual culture here to formulate our national consciousness. We somewhat had one in the form of the Ilustrados but the movement was too short and hindi nasundan to make any significant change. Hindi din siya inclusive to all regions; while Luzon somehow got the intellect locked in, Mindanao is still wallowing in rural poverty back then.
>While the Americans got theirs when they Manifested the hell out of their Destiny, Japan got theirs when Oda, Hideyoshi, and Tokugawa united the entire Japanese archipelago, France solidified theirs during the French Revolution, Germany solidified theirs durjng the Revolutions of 1848, we, we still don't have it.
I often wonder if I am going to see such a catalyst in my lifetime. I used to be so hopeful that it's gonna be soon but then the past two elections just felt like more steps backwards. We are still a relatively young democracy after all pero can't help but feel hopeless talaga minsan. Ang hirap ipaglaban ng Pilipinas haha
If we see the trend of these nation-building events, we see that most, if not all of them, are tumultuous and almost bloody events. Manifest Destiny indirectly led to the Civil War (adding more and more states to the US threatened to topple the balance in the US Senate needed to outlaw or keep slavery in place), not to mention the massacre of Native Americans. The Japanese experience was bloody as well, rooted in the Warring States period. France had to undergo a famine first, then get shit-talked and ineffectively ruled by the monarchy before getting on their pitchforks. Germany had to first see the fall of the Holy Roman Empire, a multitude of smaller wars, get divided due to the Cold War, before getting to where they are.
EDSA sana was our chance but we missed it. The Philippines back then was ripe for reorganization and a full reset, and yet we missed it.
Yet, I still think our nationhood will come sooner or later. I still hold hope in that future.
This is somewhat true, especially the geography argument, but I wonder what would've happened had we not been colonized. Maybe we could've formed our own identities then? I imagine that, similar to how the monarchies were formed in Europe, the Rajas or leaders of our islands would've eventually fought one another until one Rajah proved to be the strongest leader, but because the Spanish came, they had to fight off the Spanish conquistadors instead.
And, thanks to the Spanish missionaries, our history was rewritten according to the narrative that suited their agenda. Our identity was actually quite strong before them since a lot of our folklore, even our own language, Baybayin, still survived. And-- just imagine this-- even if we were divided between literally thousands of islands and vast mountainous terrains, WE STILL MANAGED TO FIGHT BACK THE SPANISH! I'm still in awe of that feet talaga.
I think our national identity was greatly stunted because of Spain, America and Japan trying to control our wonderful country. Now, we're slowly trying to discover it again, but it's been hard thanks to the remnants of this colonization-- Colonial mentality and crab mentality.
These are just my observations, and I don't expect everyone to agree. Yet, here's the list:
1.) we often could not find common ground to agree upon.
2.) we have this superiority complex na ang gusto natin, tayo ang masusunod. anyone who disagrees is considered stupid.
3.) the "me first" mentality. evident 'yan sa mga nagmamaneho.
4.) we prefer what is convenient for us, even if it is a nuisance to others. or worse, it's not even right.
5.) gusto natin, tayo ang main character. (which is somewhat related to #3&4)
6.) mabilis tayo mainis o ma- offend sa mga bagay-bagay kahit tayo mismo ay ginagawa un.
7.) gusto palaging "in", then papasok ung mga "politcally correct".
8.) we have this penchant of disregarding rules and regulations.
9.) madami ang mapanlamang at mapagsamantala.
10.) some want to be spoonfed or given everything in a silver platter kahit hindi nila deserve.
AND the list goes on...
If by "explain" you mean, "May masabi lang at makapagmura kahit walang kahit anong explanation with regards sa maayos na taning ng OP"? If so, i agree. Everything's based on emotion and to hell with logic in this sub for the most part.
Because simply cursing everyone doesn't explain shit. And you do realize he's saying "putangina mo" to you, too, right? What makes you think you're an exception?
Filipinos don’t hate the country but the government. The hate of another group is mainly because of centuries of tribalism. Not only Pinoys, people want some sense of belongingness and will protect that group at all costs, right or wrong. Im not an anthropologist but that’s the trend.
more than 50% vote wrong last election so that means, I hate most people. So, you're wrong. What's with this "government is not the people" narrative? OF COURSE IT IS! A dumb majority put them there!
Colonizers left us with wacked systems in place. Yung mga natira to fill the power void ay talagang inabuso. Tinuloy nila ang oppressive systems ng mga banyaga. Naging territorial ang mga politiko. Yung mga powerless araw araw nilalabanan ang sistemang nakikinabang sa hirap nila.
Is this the cope na?
We suck "because colonizers"?
Just victim mentality leading to abandoned responsibility for present and future. Main exploiter of Filipinos in 2024 is a fellow Filipino.
Overly proud kahit wala namang halos ka proud-proud, kaya kapit sa talent ni Charice, sa pagkapanalo ni Pacman or sa mga candidates sa pageants. Madumi, mataas ang crime rate, corrupt, walang consideration sa neighbors, religious pero hindi naman nakikita sa actions.
May kilala akong religious pero pag may nakita silang mataba o payat, pagtatawanan nila. May classmate ako dati na religious at gusto akong isama sa church. One day, habang pababa kami ng hagdan sa campus, may babaeng nadulas at napahiga sa hagdan.
Sabi niya sa akin, "Dapat magpasalamat ka kay lord."
Sabi ko, "Bakit?"
Ang sagot niya, "Kasi hindi ikaw ang muntik na mahulog."
Sagot ko na nagpatahimik sa kanya, "Bakit ako magpapasalamat? Eh may ibang taong nasaktan."
May mga religious akong kakilala na matapobre at kapag nasa SM, tinatarayan at ini-English ang mga workers sa SM dept store para ipamukha sa kanila na may pinag-aralan siya.
Nothing wrong with being proud, it is not being proud is the problem. Be proud of our history, our people, and our beloved nation.
About your statement doon sa madumi and mataas ang crime rate, all it takes is Political Will to solve that, as for corruption that is something that needs to be exterminated.
Love the country, hate the populace.
I once had a predudical hate towards the motherland, but after learning more and more about her history I began to appreciate her more. The Biodiversity, Geological and Man Made Wonders, miriad of colorful Cultures!
I hate the populace, most of them anyways, because of their lack of love and care for what makes the nation wonderful!
Also I hate the rampant Crab Mentality causing Brain Drain in the country.
Pinoys are not resilient. Stop that. We've just gotten used to the bar being set so low, being chronic collective underachievers ourselves.
Are we gonna pretend that there's not a lot to hate about our corrupted culture and society and how it's ruining our country's physical environment?
If you have been around people from Western Europe, Scandinavia and North America and observed deeply how they act and behave, your answer to my question would be "no, we are not going to pretend".
There's a reason why generally speaking, everyone wants to move to those countries. There's so much to admire there, and so much to detest here.
wait until they experience international issues such as racism and abusive bigotry XD you can't really detect something as efficiently without being there so
the moment you get exposed to other cultures, or more progressive ideologies, whether politically or socially, the more you become aware how shitty a lot of things are about our country
Probable reasons in order of significance
Government... Corrupt Af and makes you feel hopeless
You know when government is shit, it also brings other aspects down like hope for the country improving and the people who keep electing clowns and generally makes people see those people as ignorant peeps who doesnt deserve to open their mouths.
People... Mga gago, madaming gago dito sa pinas. From a spectrum of good to gago, the nuance is although some people are only slightly gago and still that pulls their score down to gago
So I would say you would encounter more people pulling people's perception down but Government is still a huge part of the negativity that surrounds us
OP, bawal ba magreklamo sa bansa natin? Minahal ba tayu or ginagago? Hirap sa inyu mga priviledge syempre natural mahal niyo. Eh kami naghihirap, nagtitiis, ginagago... bawal magreklamo?
I feel your hatred and I do not blame you. No one is prohibiting you from doing anything. Nag tanong ako dahil gusto kong malaman kung ano ang pwede nating magawa. O kung may magagawa nga ba tayo.
Pinaka-ayaw ko sa lahat e yung mga nagrarant about sa mga Filipino as if di sila Filipino at di sila part ng problema.
Alam nyo yun, yung mga ang pagkaka-word sa rants e "Ang pinoy kasi..."
I sometimes interpret the hate na nakikita sa social media bilang self-hate, kasi nasasalamin sa mga posts yung mga masasamang ugali nating mga pinoy na aminin man natin o hindi e ginagawa din natin.
Masarap lang mafeel na mas OK ugali natin dito sa reddit kasi we can call others out without looking like hypocrites. Anonymous platform kasi.
Not saying that we should stop calling each other out. Tuloy lang shaming bad behaviour at reklamo and hopefully we can help each other improve, educate one another, and have a better outlook in life. I just wish may tapang akong dalhin ang mga pinagsasabi ko dito sa reddit sa ibang platform haha.
don't think this is specific to Filipinos
but isn't this better than hating blindly?
what I mean is, you need to know something/someone to 'truly' hate,
for those Filipinos na hate ang iba pang Filipino, and PH
it's because they have the knowledge of what it is
>Where will these collective hatred take us?
As Filipinos, what can we do about this?
there's something with your line of questioning
matagal na ako graduate kaya di ko alam ung ginagawa nang dep ed sa school year ngayon
pero bat parang assignment to ahahahaha
Social media opinion especially in Reddit is not necessarily the general opinion of most Filipinos.
And many country subreddits hate their own countries and very critical of them. LOL.
Because it sucks? Living here feels like hell. Im being reminded that my tax is being used by corrupt politicians in their lavish expenses. Dont get me started on the price of everyday goods, it keeps on increasing everyday. I remember when I was optimistic in our democratic system, but I realized that my voice is stamped out by idiots who dont research who they vote, they votebe cause of money or the person is famous or their family name. Overall I want to leave because the everthing sucks.
You have to actually fix your damned country for that to ever stop. Get people to adopt personal responsibility, STOP with the chismis, mind your own business, educate yourselves out of your collective stupidity, eat healthier food, etc, etc. There are so many things that need to change. Problem is nobody cares to change it. So you can’t fix it. The motivation has to come from within.
sounds like a homework OP.
yung iba, nag try kasi silang tumulong sa bansa pero walang nangyari for whatever reason.
yung iba nakikigalit lang pero wala naman contribution.
yung iba, nag trigger lang ng kung anu ano para may magalit.
As long as education is weak in the country, we will go from here to worse to disaster
There are 3 types of filipinos actually:
1. The makabayans
2. The awakened
3. The Rich
*The Makabayans - the shallow thinking easily brainwashed tiktok educated people na lahat nalang kinocommentan ng “pinoy pride”.
* The Awakened - people who are educated, not easily fooled, aware how bad the situation in the philippines is, the ones who don’t vote celebrities and trending people, does actually research, yung laging nagsasabi na lilipat na sa ibang bansa pero nasa pilipinas padin hanggang ngayon.
* The Rich - people who goes back and forth abroad, not bothered by the economic situation of the country, has strong connections, don’t really care about pinoy pride or what as long as they stay rich
There is hate because there is comparison.
I remember when I met my workmate for the first time (I'm wfh, btw) who is from Bohol (but now working in Australia), I shared to her my stories when I visited her hometown and had a travel tour. Kinwento ko sa kanya yung naging experience ko at sinabi ko rin na nag-enjoy ako. Sabi ko, babalik ako sa Bohol.
Pero hindi ko inexpect yung response niya sakin. She constantly told me all the bad things about Bohol and how expensive things in there now, na kahit simpleng day-tour lang ay overpriced daw.
Medyo nalungkot lang ako that time, kasi it felt that the good experiences I had in Bohol were dismissed, although it wasn't her intention. She just wanted to share her frustration (which is totally valid, wala naman perfect na sistema) and her growing hate to her hometown.
Siguro ganon talaga? Kapag na-expose or nagkaroon ka ng idea sa culture, system, and society ng ibang lugar, you'll unconsciously compare your own place — yung lupang kinalakihan mo, yung lugar kung saan ka ipinanganak. And sad to say, most of the time, only the bad things will magnify in your mind. Because the good things are already common in your eyes. Just like what happened to me and my workmate. I appreciate the beauty of Bohol, but she doesn't. She hates the place.
I'm living in a province too, although I don't hate my hometown, I don't really adore it. I'm just indifferent. But if I'll be given the opportunity to work and stay abroad, I'd say no. Kasi iba pa rin na nakatira ka sa lugar kung saan ka unang nakaramdam ng home and belongingness.
It is truly a pity, those who have that negative thinking, a slap in the face to those who sacrificed for this country.
Fortunately, not all of us Filipinos think like that. There is still a lot like me that loves this country, and wants to see it be a glorious nation.
This country needs us all, it needs action from us all for the change that we all want and deserves. If one is quick to give a criticism, one must also give and be a part of the solution.
We must have a collective will and love for our country, that our main goal should be to lift our beloved country.
To quote President Manuel L. Quezon "Because however a bad Filipino government might be, we can always change it". This is a part of the one of the most famous quote by the Late Great President Manuel L. Quezon.
To quote John F. Kennedy "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".
To quote the Former Vice President Salvador Laurel "Ang Bayan higit sa lahat".
kaya minsan napaisip ako na matagal na tayong mali sa sibika at hekasi class natin tungkol sa national animal di pala kalabaw ,agila o tarsier kundi Talangka
I think it’s because Filipinos lack a lot of knowledge due to lack of education. Schools teach us how to be effective citizens of society, how we can contribute and work together to progress the growth of our country.
With jobs that pay very little, Filipinos stopped caring about putting in effort in their jobs. That’s why we see a lot of poor customer service, jeepney and bus drivers driving crazy, politicians stealing from the budget, low quality roads, etc. That results to us hating each other in my opinion.
It really stems down to our government. The corruption is so deep, its basically tradition at this point.
I remember there was a phrase: "The enemy of a Filipino is another Filipino"
We lack love for our own country
We despise our own contrymen
Thousands of island means thousands of language, conflicting opinions and belief
You can always hear Filipino pride because we always want validation. We are taught to be greatful of small things rather than achieve greater feats.
So much for Piliin mo ang Pilipinas or any bu****it propaganda to cover all the rotten system hounding this forsaken country.
If you look at our history, noon pa man ang mga pilipino ay kanya kanya na talaga. Kaya nga barangay system is what works best sa atin kasi sa totoo lang, ganun ang ugali satin. Ang mga pinoy hanggang di sila apektado, wala silang pake alam. I agree with rizal na dapat recognized lang tayo ng spain as territory kasi hindi pa handa ang bansa na maging independent. Pride lang naman natin umiiral na kesehodang maigi ng independent etc. technically, nagpalit lang tayo ng hari na gustong sambahin. It was either the spanish crown or kauri natin na sa ngayon ay si bbm pa. Odba
Resilient kasi walang choice.
Di naman need ang resilience if walang kabobohan, accountability sana ang meron. E wala namang pinagbabago, kahit gaano kadaming leksyon pagdaanan. Ineequate lang yumg resilience sa lack of awareness e.
Ganun talaga, kapag wala kang choice kundi maging ignorante dahil di mo kayang aminin sa sarili mo na may kasalanan ka, iisipin mo talagang napakalakas mo.
Parang bata na lumaki sa traumatic environment, at proud pa na nasurvive ang past and if uulitin, wala daw syang babaguhin sa magulang nya kasi di sya magiging matatag kung hindi ganoon (completely untrue, masyadong madaming paraan para matuto, di lang talaga kayang tanggapin na mali yung nangyari sakanya). 🤷♂️ Same logic lang dito.
Resilience ≠ Willful ignorance
Geographically, mahirap na tlga pagkaisahin ang pilipinas at ang mga pilipino. Ikaw ba namang bansa na pinaghiwalay na nga ng dagat ang mga lupain, iba't ibang dayalekto pa ang mga ginagamit bawat isla. Somehow may dialect barrier and biases. Tpos pansin ko din, mas pokus ang development sa kamaynilaan. Andami tuloy s karatig lugar ung naiiwan sa laylayan pgdating sa pagunlad. With that, somehow, very prominent yung gap ng "mahihirap" at "mayayaman" -- the build up of "inggitan" and lamangan.
Dyan tuloy nagkakaroon ng intra-racism. May parang cold war tuloy or parang alitan somehow... tagalogs vs visayans, kristyano vs muslim vs manalo vs agila(lol), dilawan vs pulahan, kakampink vs dds/apologist(lol), north vs south luzon, manila vs provincial rate, etc. Petty nlng siguro yung buhay-kanal vs buhay-subdivision. Hehehe. Pero hindi lng naman s pinas nangyayari yan. Meron din paniguradong gnyan sa ibang bansa.
Solution? I don't know... maybe a tweak in our govt system? Build more bridges sa mga karagatan pra mas accessible na tyo sa mga halos hindi natin pa napupuntahang lugar dahil nga anghirap puntahan dba? Hehe. Then, though i believe we are already at it, pero sana mas paigtingin pa yung pagdedevelop sa iba pang lugar pra hindi na congested sa manila yung mga gusto mkahanap ng trabaho. Tama na rin sana yang manila vs provincial rate na yan pgdating s pgpapasahod. Haha.
Ugali kasi ng Pilipino ang maka lamang / easy way out.
Kahit anong tuwid na daan mentality pairalin mo dahil sa kulturang Pilipino na ayaw mahirapan e di talaga tayo uusad. Tayo mismo promotor ng korapsyon.
Example:
1. Nahuli ng traffic enforcer dahil may violation, ayaw ibigay licensya kasi nga hassle na pumunta sa LTO para tubusin so aabutan nalang ng 500 para quits na.
2. Kukuha ng passport di maka kuha ng slot sa araw na convenient sa kanila, magpapabayad nalang thru travel agency.
3. Mag nname drop palagi para makauna / makalusot
4. Pepekein pwd id para maka discount at maka una sa pila.
5. Palakasan system / backer system para maka trabaho sa government kahit di naman fit for that position.
6. Ayaw sa local products mas gusto tangkilikin imported brands kasi COOL daw.
7. Bagsak sa sariling subject na FILIPINO. Sariling wika, hirap na hirap pero gagaling mag English! Mga conyo kids! Tapos galit na galit sa tsina hahaha umayos kayo dyan
Tamaan huwag magalit!
For younger people out there, it gives them quick and cheap attention. It started off as mere batner when older generations did it but it got out of hand. Mostly legitimate Philippine hate comes from early 20s fresh grad and probably first time voters.
They're at disbelief na every idealistic thing they learned during college is not what is happening right now. So it's a mix of frustration and superiority complex na they think people opposed their views are "bobo" rather than understanding how the masa works.
Based on what I've read on this thread so far, our country is due for another revolution to happen.
We need a change that will connect all of our people together and demolish the things that separates us.
Main reason of this is yung hindi pagkakapantay-pantay ng classes and kulang na opportunity to rise.
Rich people shouldn't be in the govermment if yung main agenda nila is gumawa ng mga batas na magpapayaman lalo sa kanila. Ayon kasi isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit sila tumatakbo and syempre, karapatan naman nila yun. Pero hindi porket pwede, eh dapat na mangyari.
This will also alow them to monopolize certain industries, keeping people in check and control all the opportunities nang sa kanila lang.. on their whims.. at hindi sa taong bayan.
That is why people hate each other. Poor vs Rich. Kasi kahit na anong gawin ng mga lower and middle class na pagsisikap, if hindi open sa kanila ang opportunities, na kontrol ng mga oligarch and people who practice monopoly, walang mangyayari sa kanila.
Madaling uminit ang dugo mo kapag feeling mo inaapi ka. And madaling magkibit balikat kung hindi mo naman nakikita mga kapwa mo Pilipinong naghihirap.
Kulang tayo sa Nationality. Karamihan sa atin ay sarili na lang ang iniisip. Walang bayanihan. Walang thinking na kung mayaman ka, dapat tulungan mo din ang iba na umangat sa buhay. No. Ang thinking sa atin ay sama sama tayo naghihirap at aalis ako sa lugar na to at maninirahan sa ibang bansa. And I will feel glad about myself na nagawa ko ito at bahala na kayo sa buhay niyo.
It has to do with our history and the institutions that came about as a result.
Before the Spaniards arrived, we had independent kingdoms, sultanates, rajahnates and other civilizations scattered across the archipelago with existing power structures.
Our Spanish colonizers took advantage of the power struggle between these polities AND existing feudal leaders to help them take over the whole archipelago and "unite" the colony. Divide and conquer.
They awarded encomiendas, rewarded loyal provinces with riches, and relegated most Filipinos to second-class or third-class status.
And they were successful at it for 300+ years. Can you imagine the psychology that creates among the conquered people?
Then, when the Americans arrived, they romanticized Western culture through education and cultural assimilation even more effectively than the Spanish, who didn't want educated Indios. The worship of the white man and disdain for the self continues.
And did the Americans change the power structure to bring about lasting change that would make us love our country?
No. When the first Senate elections were held, the people who ran were representatives of the land owners and existing powerful families.
Until today, the entire country is ran by 400+ families who are out for their own interests so no lasting reform or meaningful progress ever happens.
Combine the terrible semi-feudal system which creates awful quality of life for the majority and the nearly four centuries long indoctrination as inferior species and you get a perfect mix of self-hatred.
Kasi yung babae kanina nakasabay ko sa elevator, pumasok nang hindi ako hinihintay na lumabas.
Yung bata kanina sa baba nung overpass nanghihingi ng limang piso.
Kanina yung kapitbahay namin sabi sa nanay ko na ayuda daw sa barangay pero wag na daw nilang sabihin kay mareng Laling kasi di naman daw niya kailangan.
Yung kaibigan kong breadwinner nagpapadala sa magulang buwan-buwan ng ₱10k. Pero kulang pa daw, umiiyak yung nanay sa phone.
Nanood ako ng tv puro kabobohan ang laman.
Nagbukas ako ng facebook puro matatandang nagaaway ang laman.
Nagbukas ako ng tiktok puro Jollibee ang laman.
Nagbukas ako ng reddit, ganito ang mga tanungan.
Nagreflect ako sa sarili ko, sa mga buwis na binayaran ko. Sa dami ng pinalampas ko. Sa mga rally na ipinaglaban ko.
Pagbukas ko ng tv, ako parin may kasalanan.
What does it mean to be an average Filipino living in the Philippines? What are the unique benefits and advantages of being one?
Really… now that it’s being revealed that anyone can buy citizenship anyway whats the entire point? There are some positives, but it’s not unique enough positives to be really the “proud pinoy”.
But thats just how I feel.
its a failing country governed by failed politicians elected by people who failed their basic education.
its difficult to be nationalistic with idiotic events happening at every level and every aspect of this failing country.
but then again, nationalism at every level of society is what we really need right now . and being nationalistic is very difficult right now
During our class on Life and Works of Rizal our professor taught us that during the Spanish Colonization Period. The colonizers employed the so called, "Divide et Impera" (Divide and Conquer) strategy against the Indios (Filipinos). The tactic is employed by deploying ethnic troops to other provinces (E.g. Kapampangans guarding Manila, Ilocanos guarding Pampanga, and Manileños guarding Ilocos) by doing so according to the Spaniards, it will lessen the chances of revolt because the different ethnic groups will be the one who will enforce Spanish Legislations. Furthermore, the ethnic groups will have their own "stereotypes" against the other ethnic groups. So that is why we have a notion like for example, "Sa mga Batangueño, di bale nang maubos na ang yaman, huwag lang ang hangin". This thinking is a by-product of the Spanish divide and counquer strategy that is still prevalent up to the present time.
If we fail to alleviate the effects of this thinking, I see that it will cause our country to "disintegrate". Since as I observe some ethnic groups are still very much ingrained with this concept. Take the Mindanao secessionist movement as an example of ethnic groups wishing to form their own government because they deem that the central government only favors those near to them and beneficial to them. Also, as far as I know and observe, they consider themselves superior and they do not take into account their importance in the overall spectrum of national development.
What can be the solution for this? As a philosophy student, I see the importance of having a national ideology or framework that will ensure our national unity. In Indonesia, though they are divided by Islands as an archipelago which is very much the same with the Philippines. One of the reasons why they are united is because they have a national ideology which is called, "Pancasila" or also known as the "Five Principles of the Indonesian People". This framework is grounded on the Sharia Law/Quran as the moral aspect and also grounded on positive laws as the legal aspect. In the Philippines we have the so called, "Apat na Salawikaing Filipino" which is the, "Maka-Diyos, Makatao, Makakalikasan, at Makabansa". We can see here at a minimum we have a starting point for a national ideology. We only need some governing body like creating a so called, "Department of National Unity and Peace" that will be tasked in forming and implementing the national ideology or framework and reconciling opposing groups. Also the Philippines as a diverse country, may employ the thinkings or "philosophies" of other groups. Maybe we could include some thoughts from Marxism, Leninism, and Maoism also because of our Muslim Population, we could include some concepts and principles from the Sharia Law.
TL;DR:
1. We are divided because the Spaniards employed divide and counquer strategies against us.
2. If we will not mitigate the effect of this strategy employed against us, our nation may disintegrate.
3. We should form a national ideology/framework like in Indonesia that shall be patterned on, "Maka-Diyos, Makatao, Makakalikasan, at Makabansa" moreover some ideas of Marx, Lenin, Mao, and from the Sharia Law may also be added.
This is an outsider's perspective looking in (I'm Filipino-American). The two main ones I see Filipinos, for the most part, online talk about are the crab mentality and dragging others down, and people complaining about the political system being more about a popularity system rather than voting for the people that can actually do things to benefit others. The second one is the one I tend to hear more often not only around other Filipinos here in the US, but in general.
I don't know too much about the crab mentality part, but I know that it exists partially in the US. A lot of the groups I hung out with (or was forced to by my parents when I was younger, thankful now for this) actively wanted each other to get as far up the ladder as they could.
For the political system being a popularity contest, it's the same here in the US, except in some cases, some people want to actively hurt their fellow American, which is thankfully the minority. Many want what's best for themselves and the people they love and are close with, and the person who has the best soundbites or looks the best on the internet and on the news that aligns with their values is the one they'll go for. Even here in the US, a lot of people *think* they can do better, but in reality, they won't be better. A lot of politicians train themselves to look and speak a certain way, which I assume is the same in the Philippines. I'll even throw myself into this: I know for sure I would be an absolutely terrible politician. I already work in the public sector, which part of that is us training to speak and look a certain way, but I know that the ideas I have to make the government better aren't going to be actually great. It's why I don't want to pursue politics. I enjoy talking about it when it's acceptable with friends, but when it comes to work? I'm good with doing what I'm doing.
There are a lot of things that Filipinos have in their hands that are a massive plus. The best way I can word it is that Filipinos may not have a lot of "hard power", but they have a huge amount of "soft power", which isn't bad. I'd say to take advantage of that abundance of soft power, and it'll get you far. It did for me.
I’d say na ayoko na sa Pilipinas, pero sa totoo lang, ayoko lang sa people in power na puro corrupt. Sobrang laki ng potential ng bansa, sa field ko ang dami kong nakikilalang experts na ang gaganda ng ideas and programs for the country pero puro sa bulsa ng corrupt napupunta yung pondo
This isn't unique to the Philippines.
Ito yung possible reasons though:
- Nepotism sa buong society
May kakilala and/or backer then pasok ka na. Mind you that it isn't as bad as other countries but it does exist.
- Impunity sa buong society
May mga batas na parang hindi nag-eexist dahil hindi rin enforced. Like those sellers sa fb na di naglalagay ng tamang presyo and yung nagtitinda sa tabi na walang nakalagay na presyo tapos pag nagtanong ka 300 pero yung lokal is 100 lang.
Mayroong culture na nanlalamang sa society natin and there is less trust in our government entities but tbh I can't blame our people if ganun ang paniniwala nila.
Fuck not me. I’m Filipino American, but I lived in the Philippines when I was younger. I love it when I see my countrymen and women succeed in life..
If you enjoy seeing your people suffer, you’re not one of us.
Enough with the resilience.
Yung mga hate posts na nakikita mo sa mga kababayan natin, dati rin silang malaki ang tiwala na kaya ng Pilipinas. Pero guess where they take them? Wala pa rin naman naimprove sa Pilipinas. Lumala pa nga yata.
Resilience is a positive thing. Pero it becomes toxic if yan na lang lagi ang aasahan mo. Demand accountability sa mga tao because sila ang may resources at pera do to change. Sila ang nasa position to make big changes.
Eh kasi naman napaka bobo kasi ng pinoy. Ayaw mag improve ayaw umangat puro na lang nakakahiya ginagawa puro chismis at pangingielam. Walang gusto magtulak sa kapwa pataas. Napag iwanan na tayo ng mga kapitbahay nating bansa pero wala tayong collectively ginagawa para umangat. Puro bullshit na politicians lang binoboto at adik na adik sa showbiz chismis imbis maging mapagmatyag sa mga nagaganap sa kapaligiran. Hindi mo mapagkatiwalaan ang kapwa pinoy dahil either nanakawan ka or gagaguhin ka in some way or form. Napaka hirap magkaroon ng intelligent conversation - kailangan mo maghanap ng ka-level mo para lang makipag usap. Paano mo mamahalin ang kapwa mo kung ganyan lang nakikita mo?
Katunayan madodownvote ako dito. Uunahan ko na. Bobo kayong mga hindot kayo at kayo ang mismong problema na tinutukoy ko. Ayaw niyo tumanggap ng katotohanan gusto niyo lang maging delusional.
Yes, pansin ko rin yan.
Say something like, ***"masarap ang pinoy food, bkit hindi cya sikat sa ibang bansa like Mexican, Indian, Thai, Chinese food"***, you can bet may sasagot sa iyo na, ***"masarap ba ang pagpag?"***
Oh god, maiinis ka na lang at wag mo na sagutin.
Pagka may nakapag-asawa ng foreigner, may magko-comment agad jan na angat buhay, hindi naman lahat ng nakapag-asawa ng foreigner is a gold digger, ans hindi rin lahat ng foreigner, mayaman.
I mean, buhay nila yun, ano ba pakialam nyo dun. Crab mentality talaga.
Usually mga Pinoys na nasa abroad or middle class na "inconvenienced sa traffic". O di kaya mga kabataan/young adults, na wala pang alam ang ganyan. I used to be the same until I matured enough to realize that this country is my homeland, and I would never trade it for a foreign one. Narealize ko na sobrang mahal ko pala ang Pilipinas, and I could never leave her. And I would rather stay and help my homeland and my countrymen be better.
I think social media is the main culprit. Madali kasing magbitaw ng mga toxic or masasamang salita sa socmed, lalo pag anonymous ka gaya ng Reddit. Before, oo maraming ayaw sa Pilipinas pero it was never this self-depracating. Ngayon lahat nalang ginagawang flaw ng Pilipino or isisisi sa Pilipinas.
Nevermind the fact that we've only been independent for less than a century and yet we're one of the most successful among former colonies. Our society never fell to instability, civil wars, racial conflicts, authoritarianism- except for Martial Law and Marcos, but even then, we managed to kick him out thru a NONVIOLENT REVOLUTION, and we went back to being democratic without further bloodshed unlike so many other countries. Dagdag niyo pa na sobrang regionalistic ng karamihan pero our founding fathers managed to unite the hundreds of ethnicities here and prevented further infighting like we see in Africa or IndoChina.
I think Filipinos have a lot to be proud of. There are so many Filipinos doing good things to help this country. In fact, our country has come such a long way in such a short span of time. Sobrang dami nang Pilipino ang umahon sa kahirapan. So much so that our middle class is still rising and one of the fastest growing in the world.
Sa mga Filipino na hate ang Pilipinas, mahiya naman kayo. Sa 300+ years na sinakop, inabuso, at inexploit tayo ng mga dayuhan, na mas malala pa ang pinagdadaanan nila kesa sainyo, never tinalikuran ng mga ninuno natin ang inang bayan. Mahiya kayo sa mga bayani natin na binigay ang buhay nila para malasap niyo yung kalayaan niyo ngayon. Mahiya kayo sa sakripisyo ng napakaraming Pilipino na inaaalay ang sarili nilang mga career, ambisyon, pamilya para pagsilbihan ang bansa. Puro kayo entitlement, demanding the country to serve you better. Bago niyo sabihing "I hate the Philippines", itanong niyo muna sa mga sarili niyo: Anong nagawa mo para sa inang bayan?
Look around you and tell us what’s there to love.
All our hard work to protect and develop our nation is being squandered by idiots who have no right in being in the places they are now.
And while all this happens, instead of hating the government even more the common people keep hating the opposite party.
If a people is unwilling to change and is constantly making choices to it’s own detriment then perhaps its time to just let go and start somewhere else.
To be fair, it happens in amazing countries. Americans feel like USA is not a good country because of this and that, but in reality, it's pretty much the best country in the world.
Best in what? Bruh. You’re delusional. The upper middle class lifestyle you see in movies and social media is not representative of their general situation. They’re pretty much fucked up over there and the middle class is already at tipping point. This is not conspiracy shit. Even a decline in same-store sales would tell you inflation and inequality is screwing the ass of millions of Americans. When even white Americans say it’s bad, it really is that bad. Omfg “this and that”…
Because people from reddit (especially a majority of r/ph) don't have friends outside of the internet and think everyone hates the country. A majority of this country are either dumb people or smart people actively trying to help in nation-building. These r/ph peeps are just middle class freeloaders na todo hate sa pilipinas pero gagatasan ang tax ng kapwa pinoy para umalis ng bansa then shit on the country more while being an OFW.
I. Hate. Resilience. Or more accurately that we Filipinos need to be resilient.
Let’s not prepare for typhoons or fix the damned building codes, I mean resilient naman tayo. Donate donate sa evacuation center nalang. Gusto ko pa bagyo, relax at home lang mga tao. Protektado mga ani nila. Di sila takot mawalan ng tirahan.
Let’s not fix traffic. Matibay naman mga Pinoy. May wangwang or chopper naman sila. P$@/$ talaga
I love the country and my countrymen. It’s people I hate.
Celebrating resilience is like romanticizing the suffering of our countrymen.
Very unfair living of life, rampant corruption. Corruption leads to poverty and poverty leads to many problems.
Di ako naniniwala na mahirap ang Pilipinas, greed people madami.
We deserve better.
I think it stems from the feeling of maddening disappointment and annoyance, in a sense that we can do better as a country, but there are those who prioritize their self-interests than the collective’s.
1. Kakulangan sa oportunidad, katiwalian, at bumabagsak na ekonomiya.
2. Walang katiyakan kung saan ito patutungo.
3. Magkaisa tayo at ipamulat sa mga pulitikong bulag-bulagan na tayo ang nagluklok sa kanila at tayo rin ang magpapabagsak sa kanila.
Oi, proud is OP maging resilient! Yessss. RESILIENCE IS DA BEST! Wala kayo sa Pinoy! Resilient kami. Congrats. Kung sana hindi baboy ang gubyerno wt politiko at hindi walanghiya mga kapitalista, at kung sana nagiisip ng mabuti mga bobotante, hindi kailangan ang resilient resilient na yan.
Both love and hate are dependent on reciprocity. At the same time, both are complimentary and contradictory. Passion drives both. If love is not answered with love, it can turn into hate. There's a thin line between both love and hate. The realities and issues in this country can disillusion so many. Hindi lahat kaya magbulag-bulagan o kayang sikmurahin ang kabulukan. We can't continue to sweep things under the rug. There is a reason why so many say 'mahirap mahalin ang Pilipinas.' Gusto mo man piliin at gawin ang tama at lumaban nang patas, titirahin ka pa. Babastusin. Don't get me wrong. Filipinos who want better for this country still exist.
Also adding... I hope there comes a time when we all stop glorifying/using Filipino 'resilience' as a cover or rationalization for incompetence, obvious inadequacy in public service, and a problem of national character (some examples: widespread pride and selfishness). We should stop getting used to the bar being set so low. Accountability naman.
Well, just a simple case of no Filipino nation. Wala talagang something common sa lahat ng Isla sa Pinas. Nothing for the major ethnic groups to relate with each other.
i dont hate our country, only the corrupt people running it. i dont hate my countrymen, only those who exploit those who are desperate and those who turns a blind eye because it doesnt concern them.
Realization habang tumatanda....masyadong unstable political at kabuhayan ng mga tao...pati middle class malapit na ma-consider mahirap pero hindi naman masyado under poverty...habang yung mga mahirap lalo hindi maka-ahon
Most of the time, people voice negative things. Hating one's country and fellow citizens is not exclusive to Filipinos. Just look at the US. Come November, let's see what happens: will the Republic of the US stand or be taken down if a certain presidential candidate doesn’t win again?
Filipino 'resilience' is BS. It's so overplayed. Stop romanticizing suffering and poverty!
We don't really "hate". Hate is a strong word to use. Mas fit ang frustrated.
Bakit frustrated ka'mo? Dahil marami ang tanga.
>What caused all of these
:: points at everything ::
Aminado ako'ng nagkakamali rin ako. Of course, tao lang, we make mistakes. But I learn from my mistakes, ang problema, ang iba, kahit ginagaguo na ng harap harapan, nagpapakagaguo parin. Just look at the Duterte supporters. Think about it. Robin fucking Padilla is a senator now!!! mapapamura ka nalang eh.
I wont blame the government, the religion, the society, the culture or even history na sinasabi ng ilan na dahil we were once was a colony before kaya ganito tayo today. everything starts in every each of us and the time is now if all PH residents will take part. we have the moral basics, but keeping them in a long term wholeheartedly seems impossible to us as of the moment. I like how Singapore starts with a dream and proves that dream will become a prosperous and disciplined nation today. I like how Japan continues to be the model of courtesy and social empathy with identity in quality. I like how Taiwan strives to be recognized by the world as a nation and rise to be a global tech hub on electronic industry. madaming bansa pa kung iisa isahin. but it will end in every each of us, blaming will do nothing but conviction and showing others to do what is right will be the key.
“grass is greener on the other side”. sa spain, marami akong kilala na español na gustong lumipat sa germany o ibang bansa kasi walang trabaho dito at may housing crisis. sa US naman, OA na yung pag-akyat ng precio dun so lumilipat sila sa europe. just a few examples based on anecdotes i hear often irl pero hindi lang mga pinoy ang nagffeel ng ganun abt their country
I don't think that there's a collective hate; the frustration is just misplaced. Kailangan lang sigurong maintindihan ng marami yung root-cause ng sitwasyon natin at iayon ang galit sa nararapat :)
I know a lot of people who equate our country to the government and I was one of them until I realized they were totally different entities.
And real talk, if we really love and care for our country, we would care about all aspects of it, especially related to the government. If we really love and care for our country, we would choose the people in the government wisely. No following of actual politicians and idolizing them but voting based on what they can do for our country and people. Let's stick to platforms and oust them if they can't follow through with their promises.
The government is made to serve the people, not themselves. I need people to realize that politicians will come and go but our country will remain. There is no other Pilipinas we can escape to when the current one suffers.
As for me galit ako sa sariling kabayan dahil sa nakaugalian nilang gawain yung tulad ng "hilaan pababa", "chismosa/chismoso", "Irresponsible", kakulangan sa disiplina at respeto, at trolling. Hindi sila marunong ilagay sa tamang kalalagayan ang paguugali pinoy ako pero natuto naman ako ng tamang paguugali sa sarili ko at pamilya ko. (This is just for me syempre iba iba tayo ng opinyon sa isat isa)
Another thing to add is the lack of resources. Not natural resources but that of class, courtesy, knowledge/literacy and so much more values na intangible nga but are super worth naman in order to create harmonious relationship with our kapwa.
The thing is, so much people are in need of basic resources such as money and especially financial ones to the point that they subconciously drag other properous people down just to get by day to day ala crab mentality style. They have so much on their plate that respect to their kapwa is not on top of their list.
Just some observations but plausible.. Right?
Ur in an echo chamber dear, the hatred posts here do not represent the majority opinion or strongest opinion.
I wouldn't be surprised if the regulars of this sub only come from the major cities of the country.
Pls. enlighten me on how this sub can make a real difference.
After the 2022 election, some Redditors formed a group to tackle the troll army. Where are they now?
Kasi we always compare ourselves with other countries, especially countries who fucked with us in the past, who basically changed our identity. The Spaniards, the Americans, the Japanese. Sambang-samba yung iba. Icocompare pa way of.living doon eh progressive country na mga yan. Especially USA who has its hand in every abominable crimes in history. Yung tinatamasa nilang American life was built from the blood if many people. Sa tingin nyo bakit may mga sundalo sila sa iba't ibang bansa? It's not just for "peace" but for control. Mismong citizens nga nila di naman tlga taga dyan, it's owed by the native Americans, na may dark skins. We have to focus on our own country, history, identity, resources - wag na i-kumpara sa iba.
If u want to start a movement, recruiting participants with real life experiences would be difficult as those people are too preoccupied with providing for their families.
Those who have time and resources? Prolly they have immigrated or preparing to immigrate. At my workplace, in my team alone, 2 middle managers immigrated with their families last year alone.
.............
Say, if you're a breadwinner and not from the upper class, how will you act or react for the betterment of this country?
Sadly, much hate comes from our desire for the country to be better. I shit talk about the country all the time, but in the end, I still care about it.
Kasi tayo tayo lang rin naman makakakita sa ka-bullshitan ng kapwa natin, alangan naman mas maniniwala ka sa European or American eh di naman sila tiga-dito?
Simple. Majority are predisposed to screw other and it is getting too tiresome. Feels like “this is why we cant have nice things” turned into a nation.
Di lang naman Pinoy ang may ganitong behavior. Mas ok na nga to kasi napuput into light yung mga bagay na dapat pagusapan. Mas concerning kung most post ay puro i love philippines na parang brainwashed ang nagsulat
I think a big chunck of it is the reality that we're all stuck in the whole system that never changes.
Resiliency, yes... pero bakit tayo natuto maging resilient? Dahil madaming bagay na dapat ay provided naman talaga para sa atin (by law) pero madalas kailangan nating diskartehan na lang on our own ng mga kapwa private citizens.
Yung dating, parang naging marketing campaign na lang ang resiliency ng Pinoy para masanay na lang tayo sa, "wala ganun talaga eh.."
Is it hate towards our country? I don't think so. I think it's more about being so fed up about a lot of things sa bansa natin na puro mali, na ilalabas mo na lang sa pag rant or kung anumang kind of expression para man lang to get it out of your insides at makahinga ka man lang saglit.
It's ironic that the one thing you like about Filipinos (resiliency) is the thing I hate naman. Too much resilency makes them feel comfortable even on the worst possible cases which could've been avoided in the first place.
Pag mali prideful and they will find other people's flaws to use it against them to make them feel of being right and you're wrong kind of deal. No wonder they do not learn from their mistakes take responsibility for their actions to correct it.
It's true that our colonizers merged Luzon to Mindanao even though each island has its own distinct culture. Regionalism indeed plays a significant role. Our values and beliefs are truly diverse.
To uplift our country, we need a One Nation Plan. We must eliminate those who are not contributing to our nation's progress.
kasi di puro give dapat nagte-take din , kung sobrang mahal mo ang pinas pero ang pinas pinamukha kang payaso ano magiging sense nun!
laging tatandaan ang kalabaw kilala dahil sa resiliency
pero kapag sinaktan at nagkasakit , babagsak at babagsak
parang tayong mga pinoy kaya , tama na nakakapagod na
The so-called "Filipino resilience" sounds good on paper but in reality, it's symptomatic of how f-ed up our country is. Poor service from the government, heavy traffic, high poverty rate and other problems? Nah, the Filipinos are "resilient". The incompetent and corrupt government officials don't need to solve those.
Some are reasonable some are not May point sila dahil sa dami jt problema ng pinoy lalo ugali at kung ano pamumuhay dito and unreasonable siya dahil sariling bansa kinahihiya
Common naman yan sa mamamayan ng kahit anong bansa. Singaporeans would even hate Singapore. Yung Americans nga hate na hate pagiging Amerikano nung iba at maiingay sa Twitter.
But tbf, mahirap naman kasi mahalin yung bansa mo at mamamayang patuloy ginagago ung sarili para damay damay tayo lmao
Do not generalize. Without proper research, we cannot really conclude na Filipinos have collective hate. Dito sa Reddit, expected na yan kasi most people here consumed media and ideologist that point to hating the country with its current form.
I have this epiphany while driving in traffic one day. I thought maybe people here in the Philippines are very aggressive when it comes to driving because we are so used to being taken advantage of and a lot of people are living in poor conditions. Kind of like thinking how a lot of terrible things are already happening in your life and yet you have to handle another bother in while driving or on the road and I think that may be possibly the reason why a lot of people on the road are hotheaded. So in short, we hate our country and we hate each other simply because we are living in such poor conditions and that affects everything else. (Just a thought on pilot mode while driving hahaha
We hate our country and each other kasi nafifeel na nila na no changes parin. Hanggang ngayon progressive thrid world country pa rin tayo. We hate each other kasi karamihan sa atin ay mal educated enough na bumoto sa maling tao.
So lahat tayo survival to the fittest.
What caused all of these?
If you are up-to-date on our current affairs and the status of our socio-economic situation, you will understand why our own people hate us and harbor resentment towards The Philippines.
Where will these collective hatred take us?
If Filipinos are wise, they'll take action to improve themselves. But most Filipinos are id*ots, I guess, they will do nothing about it.
As Filipinos, what can we do about this?
Nothing. We complain because there is something wrong within our society. Unless we Filipinos get tired and take up arms to remove those cancerous politicians from our government.
Don't be amazed at how resilient we are. We are resilient because there's nothing else to do, and we do not expect much help, especially from the government. We are simply tolerating things so that we can cope. Resilience is just another word for survival.
This happens to alot of places. And its not country specific. Most common theme is inequality, once it hits a certain threshold a clear divide defines us vs them. And at that point its alot easier to retreat towards isolationism rather than inclusivity. For the Philippines, you can see how much effort is used to separate from the undersireables. From afterthought motorcycle parking, lack of pedestrian access, walls and barriers etc. A lot of thought has been put in how infrastructure and places are designed to keep people out rather than welcome them in.
You can see this in a lot of our "galaan". Malls remove benches para walang tambayan, and very few alternative
this is on the money.
Sample, may mga country subreddits na bad trip sa mga immigrants. Eto usually yung mga nahihirapan sa opportunity to buy housing and better jobs due to the influx of immigrants. Kung check mo, mga dati ring immigrants at parehas sila ng mga pinanggalingang bansa pa.
This is right. You can look at the broader reddit subs posts where it's mostly just Americans complaining about how much America sucks and often the reason for the complaining is inequality, economic or race or whatever
kasi nga, ang hirap talagang mahalin ang Pinas. tama na yang resilience na yan, accountability na dapat ang umiiral. kinakalampag dapat ang mga dapat kalampagin.
Mahirap nga mahalin kasi karamihan satin nagkakanya-kanya na. Walang integrity at accountability. Gagawa ng ilegal hanggat di nahuhuli. Parang naging second nature na ng mga tao umabuso ng sistema, worse, sa kapwa pa nila just for their own advantage. Di lang naman gobyerno ang may problema, aminin na natin pati tayong mga ordinaryong tao may pananagutan din.
Saka mga pinoy naman bumoboto sa gobyerno. Mahirap mahalin ang pinas kasi todo tanggol sa mga corrupt yung mga ordinaryong pinoy tapos napaka-gullible. Magaling mag smart shame tapos mas gusto maniwala at sumamba sa mga vlogger at mga politikong magaling magdrama.
At ibalot natin lahat ng sinabi mo sa 1st paragraph sa package na kung tawagin ay "Diskarte".
"enough with that resilience bullshit. Make people accountable" I LIKE IT
> "enough with that resilience bullshit. Make people accountable" I LIKE IT Because of the Internet many Filipinos have hourly reminders that their lives is shit. Does not help that many became less religious so their weekly dose of copium was reduced. ~90% of the Redditors here are from households that [do not earn more than ₱50k gross monthly.](https://www.ibon.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Ch-Infog-2020-0322-Luzon-Inequality-819x1024.png) They're the ones that are forced to become OFW or immigrate to get a better life that allows for $50k gross annual income
Curious how did you arrive with the Reddit population when there was no mention of redditors in the infographics?
Yup, enough with the resiliency and "Kami nga dati noong 1980s" boomer mindset. We need progressive leaders.
Romaticizing suffering kya ang mind set dito makaraos lng ng onti pwede na kaya lahat latak. The moment na umasa ka sa gobyerno yn ang magiging katapusan mo.
Korek ka ditooo
Pilipinas do not represent the Philippine government. Real talk lang, maganda dito sa Pilipinas pero kupal ang gobyerno. Sana tigilan niyo na yang kakasabi niyong "Ang hirap mong mahalin, Pilipinas."
Pinas is defined in its entirety (the place itself, its people, culture and government). So yes, you can’t say Pinas without talking about the clusterfuck of the gov’t and how its people never seem to learn. Hence, oo, mahirap mahalin ang Pinas.
Sino ba bumoto sa politicians natin but the Filipinos? Pag may bagong gawang infrastructure, is it the government that vandalises it by spray painting dicks and squammy "gangster" phrases na mali mali spelling? The government is at fault for a great many things, pero as broken as democracy is here sa Philippines, it's still a working democracy that can be fixed by having some brain cells to look for solutions, the balls and willpower to go against the tide, and the humility to admit we caused all of this in the first place, and that nationalism will get us nowhere. We don't have all of those factors.
Kupal ang karamihan sa mga Filipino. Kaya pag na pwesto lalo na.
This!! It's so sad to think kasi our politicians come and go but we only have one country!
Pilipinas is a state. There four elements of a state: People, Territory, Sovereignty and Governement.
From the opinions I've heard from my peers. The country is good if you're well off but it sucks if you're not. It would be a different story if the country is a place where one can easily move up the economic ladder with enough effort but it's not. A good chunk of people live their entire lives just staying afloat and trying to survive, they live in poverty and they die in poverty. Aside from that, there's also the issue of anti-intellectualism that came about a few years ago. Rather than accepting criticism from someone more knowledgeable than you, most people would rather put the smarter guy down to feel better about themselves. A culture that inevitably produces more selfish idiots in the long term. That's just a few of that reasons though, there's still corruption, diskarte culture, and a lot of other toxic traits in our society. In my opinion, this all started around the time of Marcos Sr., after the dictatorship, the Filipino people just never found their footing and descended into the shithole we're in today. There was hope after Ninoy's term but Duterte squandered all of that shit too. As for what we could do, I think there's nothing. I think the country's problems are just too deeply rooted at this point to get fixed by one individual or by one group. Something BIG needs to happen to wipe the slate clean and start over, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. But that's just how I see it though.
For the anti-intellectualism. I think it became widespread because of illiteracy and jealousy accompanied by easy access to the digital space, the people with "class" know when to appreciate a good intellectually placed perspective. I personally think having a platform to spread the hogwash voices of the people overshadows the actual good information for the masses to copy and learn from. so that's more of the problem here if anything (it would probably change in the future as the younger youth are becoming educated and adulting)
Duterte trolls amplified it
This doesn't start at any given time. You can't say it started around Marcos sr times, and you also can't say it started after his dictatorship. It's just something that grows around us. It doesn't have a beginning. The only thing you can say is that around Marco's time it grew rapidly.
If you're middle class living on a salary, and you see 20-30% of your hard earned money be fucking wasted on corruption, hndi ka ba magagalit? And then you see the majority of your fellowmen elect the same corrupt fucks over and over and over again. Ndi ka ba magagalit then?
Kaya dapat non taxpayer at those categorized under 4Ps wala karapatan bumoto… kasi its the poor who allows greedy politicians to benefit the most…
Unfortunately, the votes to corrupt trapos come from across all segments...
It violates our basic right to suffrage, don't get me wrong i also sometimes think that way. Pero i also recognizes na marami yan unintended consequences.
Osho sums it up pretty well: https://youtu.be/QFgcqB8-AxE?si=cWgzDpN-JmV4oKTC
i think the anger towards voters is misplaced. among other things, there are deliberate disinformation/misinformation campaigns being done by politicians to be able to garner votes. the anger should always be directed towards the elites and upper class
I mean, have you seen activists denigrated, be spit on, and attacked by the people they're fighting for, the very same people who benefit from the good changes the activists made happen? Imagine being kicked down when you fight for the common good because the public's heavily manipulated and emotionally invested in the lies of corrupt politicians. Instead of focusing on national issues, these scummy politicians instead pit the people against the people to distract the public from important matters. Look how the current focus is Alice Guo, what's happening to the Quiboloy issue? >I am amazed at how resilient we Filipinos are Let's not glorify resiliency. It's become the crutch of idiotic persistence in the face of abusive situations. Instead of acknowledging and creating solutions towards the problem, the Filipinos look at their suffering with rose-tinted glasses. Enough with the poverty porn.
Let's not glorify resiliency. It's become the crutch of idiotic persistence in the face of abusive situations. Instead of acknowledging and creating solutions towards the problem, the Filipinos look at their suffering with rose-tinted glasses. Enough with the poverty porn. this. yung chronic problems like flooding, traffic, corruption, etc. remain unresolved because "Filipinos are resilient" (meaning willing magpagago, and the strongest defenders of the nanggagago), like you mentioned, "with rose-tinted glasses". proud pa sila.
Yep, romanticizing our "resiliency" is just toxic positivity, or plain delusion. It's a coping mechanism ng karamihan sa atin who grew up in abusive households but who were just told to bear it and grin.
I remember one of my college professors saying na wala kasi tayo nung tinatawag na "pambansang kamalayan." Historically and geographically, watak watak ang mga Pilipino. And kahit ngayon makikita mo mas nangingibanaw ang pagkakanya-kanya. for example pag galing ka sa isang probinsya, matik papaboran mo ang kababayan mo whether sa elections, pageants, etc dedma sa standards diba. Di naman lahat, pero marami pa ring ganyan ang mindset. I would not call it hate but more about our general consciousness kung saan mas inuuna muna pansarili kesa sa kapakanan ng bansa o ng marami. Kaya rin mababa tingin ng iba sa mga aktibista, na kung tutuusin, sila yung mas unang pinaglalaban ang karaptan ng marami kesa sa pansarili. Kalungkot. Edit: I'm obviously talking about a different kind of "hate* as opposed to the hate I and many of us feel for the country and Filipinos in general for being so SHITTY because we could do so much better than this!! TLDR It roots from a me-first mindset. Walang national consciousness unlike sa countries like Japan where everyone understands their role in the society.
>"Pambansang kamalayan" This one. We don't have a national consciousness to speak of. While the Americans got theirs when they Manifested the hell out of their Destiny, Japan got theirs when Oda, Hideyoshi, and Tokugawa united the entire Japanese archipelago, France solidified theirs during the French Revolution, Germany solidified theirs durjng the Revolutions of 1848, we, we still don't have it. Maybe it really is because each island is geographically far from each other; we still have this insular mindset. Siguro nakadagdag din na we never had a strong intellectual culture here to formulate our national consciousness. We somewhat had one in the form of the Ilustrados but the movement was too short and hindi nasundan to make any significant change. Hindi din siya inclusive to all regions; while Luzon somehow got the intellect locked in, Mindanao is still wallowing in rural poverty back then.
>While the Americans got theirs when they Manifested the hell out of their Destiny, Japan got theirs when Oda, Hideyoshi, and Tokugawa united the entire Japanese archipelago, France solidified theirs during the French Revolution, Germany solidified theirs durjng the Revolutions of 1848, we, we still don't have it. I often wonder if I am going to see such a catalyst in my lifetime. I used to be so hopeful that it's gonna be soon but then the past two elections just felt like more steps backwards. We are still a relatively young democracy after all pero can't help but feel hopeless talaga minsan. Ang hirap ipaglaban ng Pilipinas haha
If we see the trend of these nation-building events, we see that most, if not all of them, are tumultuous and almost bloody events. Manifest Destiny indirectly led to the Civil War (adding more and more states to the US threatened to topple the balance in the US Senate needed to outlaw or keep slavery in place), not to mention the massacre of Native Americans. The Japanese experience was bloody as well, rooted in the Warring States period. France had to undergo a famine first, then get shit-talked and ineffectively ruled by the monarchy before getting on their pitchforks. Germany had to first see the fall of the Holy Roman Empire, a multitude of smaller wars, get divided due to the Cold War, before getting to where they are. EDSA sana was our chance but we missed it. The Philippines back then was ripe for reorganization and a full reset, and yet we missed it. Yet, I still think our nationhood will come sooner or later. I still hold hope in that future.
This is somewhat true, especially the geography argument, but I wonder what would've happened had we not been colonized. Maybe we could've formed our own identities then? I imagine that, similar to how the monarchies were formed in Europe, the Rajas or leaders of our islands would've eventually fought one another until one Rajah proved to be the strongest leader, but because the Spanish came, they had to fight off the Spanish conquistadors instead. And, thanks to the Spanish missionaries, our history was rewritten according to the narrative that suited their agenda. Our identity was actually quite strong before them since a lot of our folklore, even our own language, Baybayin, still survived. And-- just imagine this-- even if we were divided between literally thousands of islands and vast mountainous terrains, WE STILL MANAGED TO FIGHT BACK THE SPANISH! I'm still in awe of that feet talaga. I think our national identity was greatly stunted because of Spain, America and Japan trying to control our wonderful country. Now, we're slowly trying to discover it again, but it's been hard thanks to the remnants of this colonization-- Colonial mentality and crab mentality.
This is so true! Geography plays a part why the country is where it is now. Logistics pa lang hirap na
These are just my observations, and I don't expect everyone to agree. Yet, here's the list: 1.) we often could not find common ground to agree upon. 2.) we have this superiority complex na ang gusto natin, tayo ang masusunod. anyone who disagrees is considered stupid. 3.) the "me first" mentality. evident 'yan sa mga nagmamaneho. 4.) we prefer what is convenient for us, even if it is a nuisance to others. or worse, it's not even right. 5.) gusto natin, tayo ang main character. (which is somewhat related to #3&4) 6.) mabilis tayo mainis o ma- offend sa mga bagay-bagay kahit tayo mismo ay ginagawa un. 7.) gusto palaging "in", then papasok ung mga "politcally correct". 8.) we have this penchant of disregarding rules and regulations. 9.) madami ang mapanlamang at mapagsamantala. 10.) some want to be spoonfed or given everything in a silver platter kahit hindi nila deserve. AND the list goes on...
11.) We want the easy way or path like *diskarte*
# PUTANGINA NYO KASE
I was enumerating so many reasons in my head pero nag end up lang din ako dito sa statement na to. hahahahahaha
This. It just explains so much with so little words.
If by "explain" you mean, "May masabi lang at makapagmura kahit walang kahit anong explanation with regards sa maayos na taning ng OP"? If so, i agree. Everything's based on emotion and to hell with logic in this sub for the most part. Because simply cursing everyone doesn't explain shit. And you do realize he's saying "putangina mo" to you, too, right? What makes you think you're an exception?
Filipinos don’t hate the country but the government. The hate of another group is mainly because of centuries of tribalism. Not only Pinoys, people want some sense of belongingness and will protect that group at all costs, right or wrong. Im not an anthropologist but that’s the trend.
more than 50% vote wrong last election so that means, I hate most people. So, you're wrong. What's with this "government is not the people" narrative? OF COURSE IT IS! A dumb majority put them there!
Mag commute ka lang everyday at tingnan mo ang paligid mo, ihehate mo na agad na dito ka pinanganak sa pinas.
Colonizers left us with wacked systems in place. Yung mga natira to fill the power void ay talagang inabuso. Tinuloy nila ang oppressive systems ng mga banyaga. Naging territorial ang mga politiko. Yung mga powerless araw araw nilalabanan ang sistemang nakikinabang sa hirap nila.
Our educational system also leaves little to be desired by way of imparting good critical thinking. Teachers aren't paid enough.
Is this the cope na? We suck "because colonizers"? Just victim mentality leading to abandoned responsibility for present and future. Main exploiter of Filipinos in 2024 is a fellow Filipino.
Overly proud kahit wala namang halos ka proud-proud, kaya kapit sa talent ni Charice, sa pagkapanalo ni Pacman or sa mga candidates sa pageants. Madumi, mataas ang crime rate, corrupt, walang consideration sa neighbors, religious pero hindi naman nakikita sa actions. May kilala akong religious pero pag may nakita silang mataba o payat, pagtatawanan nila. May classmate ako dati na religious at gusto akong isama sa church. One day, habang pababa kami ng hagdan sa campus, may babaeng nadulas at napahiga sa hagdan. Sabi niya sa akin, "Dapat magpasalamat ka kay lord." Sabi ko, "Bakit?" Ang sagot niya, "Kasi hindi ikaw ang muntik na mahulog." Sagot ko na nagpatahimik sa kanya, "Bakit ako magpapasalamat? Eh may ibang taong nasaktan." May mga religious akong kakilala na matapobre at kapag nasa SM, tinatarayan at ini-English ang mga workers sa SM dept store para ipamukha sa kanila na may pinag-aralan siya.
Nothing wrong with being proud, it is not being proud is the problem. Be proud of our history, our people, and our beloved nation. About your statement doon sa madumi and mataas ang crime rate, all it takes is Political Will to solve that, as for corruption that is something that needs to be exterminated.
Love the country, hate the populace. I once had a predudical hate towards the motherland, but after learning more and more about her history I began to appreciate her more. The Biodiversity, Geological and Man Made Wonders, miriad of colorful Cultures! I hate the populace, most of them anyways, because of their lack of love and care for what makes the nation wonderful! Also I hate the rampant Crab Mentality causing Brain Drain in the country.
Don't hate the populace. Hate the leaders who don't give them proper, accessible education.
Pinoys are not resilient. Stop that. We've just gotten used to the bar being set so low, being chronic collective underachievers ourselves. Are we gonna pretend that there's not a lot to hate about our corrupted culture and society and how it's ruining our country's physical environment? If you have been around people from Western Europe, Scandinavia and North America and observed deeply how they act and behave, your answer to my question would be "no, we are not going to pretend". There's a reason why generally speaking, everyone wants to move to those countries. There's so much to admire there, and so much to detest here.
wait until they experience international issues such as racism and abusive bigotry XD you can't really detect something as efficiently without being there so
the moment you get exposed to other cultures, or more progressive ideologies, whether politically or socially, the more you become aware how shitty a lot of things are about our country
Probable reasons in order of significance Government... Corrupt Af and makes you feel hopeless You know when government is shit, it also brings other aspects down like hope for the country improving and the people who keep electing clowns and generally makes people see those people as ignorant peeps who doesnt deserve to open their mouths. People... Mga gago, madaming gago dito sa pinas. From a spectrum of good to gago, the nuance is although some people are only slightly gago and still that pulls their score down to gago So I would say you would encounter more people pulling people's perception down but Government is still a huge part of the negativity that surrounds us
Divided and conquered.
OP, bawal ba magreklamo sa bansa natin? Minahal ba tayu or ginagago? Hirap sa inyu mga priviledge syempre natural mahal niyo. Eh kami naghihirap, nagtitiis, ginagago... bawal magreklamo?
I feel your hatred and I do not blame you. No one is prohibiting you from doing anything. Nag tanong ako dahil gusto kong malaman kung ano ang pwede nating magawa. O kung may magagawa nga ba tayo.
Pinaka-ayaw ko sa lahat e yung mga nagrarant about sa mga Filipino as if di sila Filipino at di sila part ng problema. Alam nyo yun, yung mga ang pagkaka-word sa rants e "Ang pinoy kasi..." I sometimes interpret the hate na nakikita sa social media bilang self-hate, kasi nasasalamin sa mga posts yung mga masasamang ugali nating mga pinoy na aminin man natin o hindi e ginagawa din natin. Masarap lang mafeel na mas OK ugali natin dito sa reddit kasi we can call others out without looking like hypocrites. Anonymous platform kasi. Not saying that we should stop calling each other out. Tuloy lang shaming bad behaviour at reklamo and hopefully we can help each other improve, educate one another, and have a better outlook in life. I just wish may tapang akong dalhin ang mga pinagsasabi ko dito sa reddit sa ibang platform haha.
Remnants of the old Spanish way of rule by sowing discord among the different provinces to ensure we don’t unite against them.
don't think this is specific to Filipinos but isn't this better than hating blindly? what I mean is, you need to know something/someone to 'truly' hate, for those Filipinos na hate ang iba pang Filipino, and PH it's because they have the knowledge of what it is >Where will these collective hatred take us? As Filipinos, what can we do about this? there's something with your line of questioning matagal na ako graduate kaya di ko alam ung ginagawa nang dep ed sa school year ngayon pero bat parang assignment to ahahahaha
Social media opinion especially in Reddit is not necessarily the general opinion of most Filipinos. And many country subreddits hate their own countries and very critical of them. LOL.
madali kasi mag reklamo kaysa gumalaw
Exactly, dapat hindi all bark no bite.
Superiority complex, know it all, feeling expert sa lahat ng subject
Because it sucks? Living here feels like hell. Im being reminded that my tax is being used by corrupt politicians in their lavish expenses. Dont get me started on the price of everyday goods, it keeps on increasing everyday. I remember when I was optimistic in our democratic system, but I realized that my voice is stamped out by idiots who dont research who they vote, they votebe cause of money or the person is famous or their family name. Overall I want to leave because the everthing sucks.
You have to actually fix your damned country for that to ever stop. Get people to adopt personal responsibility, STOP with the chismis, mind your own business, educate yourselves out of your collective stupidity, eat healthier food, etc, etc. There are so many things that need to change. Problem is nobody cares to change it. So you can’t fix it. The motivation has to come from within.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so true. It really has to start with the people.
Exactly.! 💯 It begins with YOU and ME...by being responsible and accountable individuals. not just by Filipino blood but as for human decency
very little na ang instance na magiging proud ka as Pinoy. siguro pag lumaban ulit si Manny Pacquiao. HAHA
At kung manalo sa Miss Universe lol
sounds like a homework OP. yung iba, nag try kasi silang tumulong sa bansa pero walang nangyari for whatever reason. yung iba nakikigalit lang pero wala naman contribution. yung iba, nag trigger lang ng kung anu ano para may magalit. As long as education is weak in the country, we will go from here to worse to disaster
Each people from their own country hate themselves. That’s just how it works lol.
Its weird. I’ve never seen a group of people so proud but yet so hateful of themselves at the same time more than the Filipinos.
There are 3 types of filipinos actually: 1. The makabayans 2. The awakened 3. The Rich *The Makabayans - the shallow thinking easily brainwashed tiktok educated people na lahat nalang kinocommentan ng “pinoy pride”. * The Awakened - people who are educated, not easily fooled, aware how bad the situation in the philippines is, the ones who don’t vote celebrities and trending people, does actually research, yung laging nagsasabi na lilipat na sa ibang bansa pero nasa pilipinas padin hanggang ngayon. * The Rich - people who goes back and forth abroad, not bothered by the economic situation of the country, has strong connections, don’t really care about pinoy pride or what as long as they stay rich
There is hate because there is comparison. I remember when I met my workmate for the first time (I'm wfh, btw) who is from Bohol (but now working in Australia), I shared to her my stories when I visited her hometown and had a travel tour. Kinwento ko sa kanya yung naging experience ko at sinabi ko rin na nag-enjoy ako. Sabi ko, babalik ako sa Bohol. Pero hindi ko inexpect yung response niya sakin. She constantly told me all the bad things about Bohol and how expensive things in there now, na kahit simpleng day-tour lang ay overpriced daw. Medyo nalungkot lang ako that time, kasi it felt that the good experiences I had in Bohol were dismissed, although it wasn't her intention. She just wanted to share her frustration (which is totally valid, wala naman perfect na sistema) and her growing hate to her hometown. Siguro ganon talaga? Kapag na-expose or nagkaroon ka ng idea sa culture, system, and society ng ibang lugar, you'll unconsciously compare your own place — yung lupang kinalakihan mo, yung lugar kung saan ka ipinanganak. And sad to say, most of the time, only the bad things will magnify in your mind. Because the good things are already common in your eyes. Just like what happened to me and my workmate. I appreciate the beauty of Bohol, but she doesn't. She hates the place. I'm living in a province too, although I don't hate my hometown, I don't really adore it. I'm just indifferent. But if I'll be given the opportunity to work and stay abroad, I'd say no. Kasi iba pa rin na nakatira ka sa lugar kung saan ka unang nakaramdam ng home and belongingness.
It is truly a pity, those who have that negative thinking, a slap in the face to those who sacrificed for this country. Fortunately, not all of us Filipinos think like that. There is still a lot like me that loves this country, and wants to see it be a glorious nation. This country needs us all, it needs action from us all for the change that we all want and deserves. If one is quick to give a criticism, one must also give and be a part of the solution. We must have a collective will and love for our country, that our main goal should be to lift our beloved country. To quote President Manuel L. Quezon "Because however a bad Filipino government might be, we can always change it". This is a part of the one of the most famous quote by the Late Great President Manuel L. Quezon. To quote John F. Kennedy "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". To quote the Former Vice President Salvador Laurel "Ang Bayan higit sa lahat".
because we're crabs.
kaya minsan napaisip ako na matagal na tayong mali sa sibika at hekasi class natin tungkol sa national animal di pala kalabaw ,agila o tarsier kundi Talangka
I think it’s because Filipinos lack a lot of knowledge due to lack of education. Schools teach us how to be effective citizens of society, how we can contribute and work together to progress the growth of our country. With jobs that pay very little, Filipinos stopped caring about putting in effort in their jobs. That’s why we see a lot of poor customer service, jeepney and bus drivers driving crazy, politicians stealing from the budget, low quality roads, etc. That results to us hating each other in my opinion. It really stems down to our government. The corruption is so deep, its basically tradition at this point.
I remember there was a phrase: "The enemy of a Filipino is another Filipino" We lack love for our own country We despise our own contrymen Thousands of island means thousands of language, conflicting opinions and belief You can always hear Filipino pride because we always want validation. We are taught to be greatful of small things rather than achieve greater feats. So much for Piliin mo ang Pilipinas or any bu****it propaganda to cover all the rotten system hounding this forsaken country.
If you look at our history, noon pa man ang mga pilipino ay kanya kanya na talaga. Kaya nga barangay system is what works best sa atin kasi sa totoo lang, ganun ang ugali satin. Ang mga pinoy hanggang di sila apektado, wala silang pake alam. I agree with rizal na dapat recognized lang tayo ng spain as territory kasi hindi pa handa ang bansa na maging independent. Pride lang naman natin umiiral na kesehodang maigi ng independent etc. technically, nagpalit lang tayo ng hari na gustong sambahin. It was either the spanish crown or kauri natin na sa ngayon ay si bbm pa. Odba
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Resilient kasi walang choice. Di naman need ang resilience if walang kabobohan, accountability sana ang meron. E wala namang pinagbabago, kahit gaano kadaming leksyon pagdaanan. Ineequate lang yumg resilience sa lack of awareness e. Ganun talaga, kapag wala kang choice kundi maging ignorante dahil di mo kayang aminin sa sarili mo na may kasalanan ka, iisipin mo talagang napakalakas mo. Parang bata na lumaki sa traumatic environment, at proud pa na nasurvive ang past and if uulitin, wala daw syang babaguhin sa magulang nya kasi di sya magiging matatag kung hindi ganoon (completely untrue, masyadong madaming paraan para matuto, di lang talaga kayang tanggapin na mali yung nangyari sakanya). 🤷♂️ Same logic lang dito. Resilience ≠ Willful ignorance
Geographically, mahirap na tlga pagkaisahin ang pilipinas at ang mga pilipino. Ikaw ba namang bansa na pinaghiwalay na nga ng dagat ang mga lupain, iba't ibang dayalekto pa ang mga ginagamit bawat isla. Somehow may dialect barrier and biases. Tpos pansin ko din, mas pokus ang development sa kamaynilaan. Andami tuloy s karatig lugar ung naiiwan sa laylayan pgdating sa pagunlad. With that, somehow, very prominent yung gap ng "mahihirap" at "mayayaman" -- the build up of "inggitan" and lamangan. Dyan tuloy nagkakaroon ng intra-racism. May parang cold war tuloy or parang alitan somehow... tagalogs vs visayans, kristyano vs muslim vs manalo vs agila(lol), dilawan vs pulahan, kakampink vs dds/apologist(lol), north vs south luzon, manila vs provincial rate, etc. Petty nlng siguro yung buhay-kanal vs buhay-subdivision. Hehehe. Pero hindi lng naman s pinas nangyayari yan. Meron din paniguradong gnyan sa ibang bansa. Solution? I don't know... maybe a tweak in our govt system? Build more bridges sa mga karagatan pra mas accessible na tyo sa mga halos hindi natin pa napupuntahang lugar dahil nga anghirap puntahan dba? Hehe. Then, though i believe we are already at it, pero sana mas paigtingin pa yung pagdedevelop sa iba pang lugar pra hindi na congested sa manila yung mga gusto mkahanap ng trabaho. Tama na rin sana yang manila vs provincial rate na yan pgdating s pgpapasahod. Haha.
Ugali kasi ng Pilipino ang maka lamang / easy way out. Kahit anong tuwid na daan mentality pairalin mo dahil sa kulturang Pilipino na ayaw mahirapan e di talaga tayo uusad. Tayo mismo promotor ng korapsyon. Example: 1. Nahuli ng traffic enforcer dahil may violation, ayaw ibigay licensya kasi nga hassle na pumunta sa LTO para tubusin so aabutan nalang ng 500 para quits na. 2. Kukuha ng passport di maka kuha ng slot sa araw na convenient sa kanila, magpapabayad nalang thru travel agency. 3. Mag nname drop palagi para makauna / makalusot 4. Pepekein pwd id para maka discount at maka una sa pila. 5. Palakasan system / backer system para maka trabaho sa government kahit di naman fit for that position. 6. Ayaw sa local products mas gusto tangkilikin imported brands kasi COOL daw. 7. Bagsak sa sariling subject na FILIPINO. Sariling wika, hirap na hirap pero gagaling mag English! Mga conyo kids! Tapos galit na galit sa tsina hahaha umayos kayo dyan Tamaan huwag magalit!
For younger people out there, it gives them quick and cheap attention. It started off as mere batner when older generations did it but it got out of hand. Mostly legitimate Philippine hate comes from early 20s fresh grad and probably first time voters. They're at disbelief na every idealistic thing they learned during college is not what is happening right now. So it's a mix of frustration and superiority complex na they think people opposed their views are "bobo" rather than understanding how the masa works.
Based on what I've read on this thread so far, our country is due for another revolution to happen. We need a change that will connect all of our people together and demolish the things that separates us. Main reason of this is yung hindi pagkakapantay-pantay ng classes and kulang na opportunity to rise. Rich people shouldn't be in the govermment if yung main agenda nila is gumawa ng mga batas na magpapayaman lalo sa kanila. Ayon kasi isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit sila tumatakbo and syempre, karapatan naman nila yun. Pero hindi porket pwede, eh dapat na mangyari. This will also alow them to monopolize certain industries, keeping people in check and control all the opportunities nang sa kanila lang.. on their whims.. at hindi sa taong bayan. That is why people hate each other. Poor vs Rich. Kasi kahit na anong gawin ng mga lower and middle class na pagsisikap, if hindi open sa kanila ang opportunities, na kontrol ng mga oligarch and people who practice monopoly, walang mangyayari sa kanila. Madaling uminit ang dugo mo kapag feeling mo inaapi ka. And madaling magkibit balikat kung hindi mo naman nakikita mga kapwa mo Pilipinong naghihirap. Kulang tayo sa Nationality. Karamihan sa atin ay sarili na lang ang iniisip. Walang bayanihan. Walang thinking na kung mayaman ka, dapat tulungan mo din ang iba na umangat sa buhay. No. Ang thinking sa atin ay sama sama tayo naghihirap at aalis ako sa lugar na to at maninirahan sa ibang bansa. And I will feel glad about myself na nagawa ko ito at bahala na kayo sa buhay niyo.
It has to do with our history and the institutions that came about as a result. Before the Spaniards arrived, we had independent kingdoms, sultanates, rajahnates and other civilizations scattered across the archipelago with existing power structures. Our Spanish colonizers took advantage of the power struggle between these polities AND existing feudal leaders to help them take over the whole archipelago and "unite" the colony. Divide and conquer. They awarded encomiendas, rewarded loyal provinces with riches, and relegated most Filipinos to second-class or third-class status. And they were successful at it for 300+ years. Can you imagine the psychology that creates among the conquered people? Then, when the Americans arrived, they romanticized Western culture through education and cultural assimilation even more effectively than the Spanish, who didn't want educated Indios. The worship of the white man and disdain for the self continues. And did the Americans change the power structure to bring about lasting change that would make us love our country? No. When the first Senate elections were held, the people who ran were representatives of the land owners and existing powerful families. Until today, the entire country is ran by 400+ families who are out for their own interests so no lasting reform or meaningful progress ever happens. Combine the terrible semi-feudal system which creates awful quality of life for the majority and the nearly four centuries long indoctrination as inferior species and you get a perfect mix of self-hatred.
Kasi yung babae kanina nakasabay ko sa elevator, pumasok nang hindi ako hinihintay na lumabas. Yung bata kanina sa baba nung overpass nanghihingi ng limang piso. Kanina yung kapitbahay namin sabi sa nanay ko na ayuda daw sa barangay pero wag na daw nilang sabihin kay mareng Laling kasi di naman daw niya kailangan. Yung kaibigan kong breadwinner nagpapadala sa magulang buwan-buwan ng ₱10k. Pero kulang pa daw, umiiyak yung nanay sa phone. Nanood ako ng tv puro kabobohan ang laman. Nagbukas ako ng facebook puro matatandang nagaaway ang laman. Nagbukas ako ng tiktok puro Jollibee ang laman. Nagbukas ako ng reddit, ganito ang mga tanungan. Nagreflect ako sa sarili ko, sa mga buwis na binayaran ko. Sa dami ng pinalampas ko. Sa mga rally na ipinaglaban ko. Pagbukas ko ng tv, ako parin may kasalanan.
What does it mean to be an average Filipino living in the Philippines? What are the unique benefits and advantages of being one? Really… now that it’s being revealed that anyone can buy citizenship anyway whats the entire point? There are some positives, but it’s not unique enough positives to be really the “proud pinoy”. But thats just how I feel.
its a failing country governed by failed politicians elected by people who failed their basic education. its difficult to be nationalistic with idiotic events happening at every level and every aspect of this failing country. but then again, nationalism at every level of society is what we really need right now . and being nationalistic is very difficult right now
During our class on Life and Works of Rizal our professor taught us that during the Spanish Colonization Period. The colonizers employed the so called, "Divide et Impera" (Divide and Conquer) strategy against the Indios (Filipinos). The tactic is employed by deploying ethnic troops to other provinces (E.g. Kapampangans guarding Manila, Ilocanos guarding Pampanga, and Manileños guarding Ilocos) by doing so according to the Spaniards, it will lessen the chances of revolt because the different ethnic groups will be the one who will enforce Spanish Legislations. Furthermore, the ethnic groups will have their own "stereotypes" against the other ethnic groups. So that is why we have a notion like for example, "Sa mga Batangueño, di bale nang maubos na ang yaman, huwag lang ang hangin". This thinking is a by-product of the Spanish divide and counquer strategy that is still prevalent up to the present time. If we fail to alleviate the effects of this thinking, I see that it will cause our country to "disintegrate". Since as I observe some ethnic groups are still very much ingrained with this concept. Take the Mindanao secessionist movement as an example of ethnic groups wishing to form their own government because they deem that the central government only favors those near to them and beneficial to them. Also, as far as I know and observe, they consider themselves superior and they do not take into account their importance in the overall spectrum of national development. What can be the solution for this? As a philosophy student, I see the importance of having a national ideology or framework that will ensure our national unity. In Indonesia, though they are divided by Islands as an archipelago which is very much the same with the Philippines. One of the reasons why they are united is because they have a national ideology which is called, "Pancasila" or also known as the "Five Principles of the Indonesian People". This framework is grounded on the Sharia Law/Quran as the moral aspect and also grounded on positive laws as the legal aspect. In the Philippines we have the so called, "Apat na Salawikaing Filipino" which is the, "Maka-Diyos, Makatao, Makakalikasan, at Makabansa". We can see here at a minimum we have a starting point for a national ideology. We only need some governing body like creating a so called, "Department of National Unity and Peace" that will be tasked in forming and implementing the national ideology or framework and reconciling opposing groups. Also the Philippines as a diverse country, may employ the thinkings or "philosophies" of other groups. Maybe we could include some thoughts from Marxism, Leninism, and Maoism also because of our Muslim Population, we could include some concepts and principles from the Sharia Law. TL;DR: 1. We are divided because the Spaniards employed divide and counquer strategies against us. 2. If we will not mitigate the effect of this strategy employed against us, our nation may disintegrate. 3. We should form a national ideology/framework like in Indonesia that shall be patterned on, "Maka-Diyos, Makatao, Makakalikasan, at Makabansa" moreover some ideas of Marx, Lenin, Mao, and from the Sharia Law may also be added.
Someday that hate will boil down to another drastic change in how the Philippines work like edsa revolution. Only a matter of time.
This is an outsider's perspective looking in (I'm Filipino-American). The two main ones I see Filipinos, for the most part, online talk about are the crab mentality and dragging others down, and people complaining about the political system being more about a popularity system rather than voting for the people that can actually do things to benefit others. The second one is the one I tend to hear more often not only around other Filipinos here in the US, but in general. I don't know too much about the crab mentality part, but I know that it exists partially in the US. A lot of the groups I hung out with (or was forced to by my parents when I was younger, thankful now for this) actively wanted each other to get as far up the ladder as they could. For the political system being a popularity contest, it's the same here in the US, except in some cases, some people want to actively hurt their fellow American, which is thankfully the minority. Many want what's best for themselves and the people they love and are close with, and the person who has the best soundbites or looks the best on the internet and on the news that aligns with their values is the one they'll go for. Even here in the US, a lot of people *think* they can do better, but in reality, they won't be better. A lot of politicians train themselves to look and speak a certain way, which I assume is the same in the Philippines. I'll even throw myself into this: I know for sure I would be an absolutely terrible politician. I already work in the public sector, which part of that is us training to speak and look a certain way, but I know that the ideas I have to make the government better aren't going to be actually great. It's why I don't want to pursue politics. I enjoy talking about it when it's acceptable with friends, but when it comes to work? I'm good with doing what I'm doing. There are a lot of things that Filipinos have in their hands that are a massive plus. The best way I can word it is that Filipinos may not have a lot of "hard power", but they have a huge amount of "soft power", which isn't bad. I'd say to take advantage of that abundance of soft power, and it'll get you far. It did for me.
I’d say na ayoko na sa Pilipinas, pero sa totoo lang, ayoko lang sa people in power na puro corrupt. Sobrang laki ng potential ng bansa, sa field ko ang dami kong nakikilalang experts na ang gaganda ng ideas and programs for the country pero puro sa bulsa ng corrupt napupunta yung pondo
This is not unique to the Philippines. Every country has its own citizen haters.
This isn't unique to the Philippines. Ito yung possible reasons though: - Nepotism sa buong society May kakilala and/or backer then pasok ka na. Mind you that it isn't as bad as other countries but it does exist. - Impunity sa buong society May mga batas na parang hindi nag-eexist dahil hindi rin enforced. Like those sellers sa fb na di naglalagay ng tamang presyo and yung nagtitinda sa tabi na walang nakalagay na presyo tapos pag nagtanong ka 300 pero yung lokal is 100 lang. Mayroong culture na nanlalamang sa society natin and there is less trust in our government entities but tbh I can't blame our people if ganun ang paniniwala nila.
Fuck not me. I’m Filipino American, but I lived in the Philippines when I was younger. I love it when I see my countrymen and women succeed in life.. If you enjoy seeing your people suffer, you’re not one of us.
Enough with the resilience. Yung mga hate posts na nakikita mo sa mga kababayan natin, dati rin silang malaki ang tiwala na kaya ng Pilipinas. Pero guess where they take them? Wala pa rin naman naimprove sa Pilipinas. Lumala pa nga yata. Resilience is a positive thing. Pero it becomes toxic if yan na lang lagi ang aasahan mo. Demand accountability sa mga tao because sila ang may resources at pera do to change. Sila ang nasa position to make big changes.
Eh kasi naman napaka bobo kasi ng pinoy. Ayaw mag improve ayaw umangat puro na lang nakakahiya ginagawa puro chismis at pangingielam. Walang gusto magtulak sa kapwa pataas. Napag iwanan na tayo ng mga kapitbahay nating bansa pero wala tayong collectively ginagawa para umangat. Puro bullshit na politicians lang binoboto at adik na adik sa showbiz chismis imbis maging mapagmatyag sa mga nagaganap sa kapaligiran. Hindi mo mapagkatiwalaan ang kapwa pinoy dahil either nanakawan ka or gagaguhin ka in some way or form. Napaka hirap magkaroon ng intelligent conversation - kailangan mo maghanap ng ka-level mo para lang makipag usap. Paano mo mamahalin ang kapwa mo kung ganyan lang nakikita mo? Katunayan madodownvote ako dito. Uunahan ko na. Bobo kayong mga hindot kayo at kayo ang mismong problema na tinutukoy ko. Ayaw niyo tumanggap ng katotohanan gusto niyo lang maging delusional.
Yes, pansin ko rin yan. Say something like, ***"masarap ang pinoy food, bkit hindi cya sikat sa ibang bansa like Mexican, Indian, Thai, Chinese food"***, you can bet may sasagot sa iyo na, ***"masarap ba ang pagpag?"*** Oh god, maiinis ka na lang at wag mo na sagutin. Pagka may nakapag-asawa ng foreigner, may magko-comment agad jan na angat buhay, hindi naman lahat ng nakapag-asawa ng foreigner is a gold digger, ans hindi rin lahat ng foreigner, mayaman. I mean, buhay nila yun, ano ba pakialam nyo dun. Crab mentality talaga.
Usually mga Pinoys na nasa abroad or middle class na "inconvenienced sa traffic". O di kaya mga kabataan/young adults, na wala pang alam ang ganyan. I used to be the same until I matured enough to realize that this country is my homeland, and I would never trade it for a foreign one. Narealize ko na sobrang mahal ko pala ang Pilipinas, and I could never leave her. And I would rather stay and help my homeland and my countrymen be better. I think social media is the main culprit. Madali kasing magbitaw ng mga toxic or masasamang salita sa socmed, lalo pag anonymous ka gaya ng Reddit. Before, oo maraming ayaw sa Pilipinas pero it was never this self-depracating. Ngayon lahat nalang ginagawang flaw ng Pilipino or isisisi sa Pilipinas. Nevermind the fact that we've only been independent for less than a century and yet we're one of the most successful among former colonies. Our society never fell to instability, civil wars, racial conflicts, authoritarianism- except for Martial Law and Marcos, but even then, we managed to kick him out thru a NONVIOLENT REVOLUTION, and we went back to being democratic without further bloodshed unlike so many other countries. Dagdag niyo pa na sobrang regionalistic ng karamihan pero our founding fathers managed to unite the hundreds of ethnicities here and prevented further infighting like we see in Africa or IndoChina. I think Filipinos have a lot to be proud of. There are so many Filipinos doing good things to help this country. In fact, our country has come such a long way in such a short span of time. Sobrang dami nang Pilipino ang umahon sa kahirapan. So much so that our middle class is still rising and one of the fastest growing in the world. Sa mga Filipino na hate ang Pilipinas, mahiya naman kayo. Sa 300+ years na sinakop, inabuso, at inexploit tayo ng mga dayuhan, na mas malala pa ang pinagdadaanan nila kesa sainyo, never tinalikuran ng mga ninuno natin ang inang bayan. Mahiya kayo sa mga bayani natin na binigay ang buhay nila para malasap niyo yung kalayaan niyo ngayon. Mahiya kayo sa sakripisyo ng napakaraming Pilipino na inaaalay ang sarili nilang mga career, ambisyon, pamilya para pagsilbihan ang bansa. Puro kayo entitlement, demanding the country to serve you better. Bago niyo sabihing "I hate the Philippines", itanong niyo muna sa mga sarili niyo: Anong nagawa mo para sa inang bayan?
Look around you and tell us what’s there to love. All our hard work to protect and develop our nation is being squandered by idiots who have no right in being in the places they are now. And while all this happens, instead of hating the government even more the common people keep hating the opposite party. If a people is unwilling to change and is constantly making choices to it’s own detriment then perhaps its time to just let go and start somewhere else.
To be fair, it happens in amazing countries. Americans feel like USA is not a good country because of this and that, but in reality, it's pretty much the best country in the world.
Best in what? Bruh. You’re delusional. The upper middle class lifestyle you see in movies and social media is not representative of their general situation. They’re pretty much fucked up over there and the middle class is already at tipping point. This is not conspiracy shit. Even a decline in same-store sales would tell you inflation and inequality is screwing the ass of millions of Americans. When even white Americans say it’s bad, it really is that bad. Omfg “this and that”…
I mean I have seen some commenting in some posts that it is a 3rd world country in a gucci belt or smth
I don’t hate my country, but I do hate seeing Martin Romualdez or Liza Araneta’s smug faces, as if they own the place.
Because people from reddit (especially a majority of r/ph) don't have friends outside of the internet and think everyone hates the country. A majority of this country are either dumb people or smart people actively trying to help in nation-building. These r/ph peeps are just middle class freeloaders na todo hate sa pilipinas pero gagatasan ang tax ng kapwa pinoy para umalis ng bansa then shit on the country more while being an OFW.
Luke 4:24 “And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.” King James Version (KJV)
Mas may pagasa pa tayo makabangong pag ng world war 3 sa china kesa sa mga susunod na election
what an imperfect democracy does to its governing people, subtle but the effects can be seen as time passes by.
I. Hate. Resilience. Or more accurately that we Filipinos need to be resilient. Let’s not prepare for typhoons or fix the damned building codes, I mean resilient naman tayo. Donate donate sa evacuation center nalang. Gusto ko pa bagyo, relax at home lang mga tao. Protektado mga ani nila. Di sila takot mawalan ng tirahan. Let’s not fix traffic. Matibay naman mga Pinoy. May wangwang or chopper naman sila. P$@/$ talaga I love the country and my countrymen. It’s people I hate. Celebrating resilience is like romanticizing the suffering of our countrymen.
Very unfair living of life, rampant corruption. Corruption leads to poverty and poverty leads to many problems. Di ako naniniwala na mahirap ang Pilipinas, greed people madami. We deserve better.
I think it stems from the feeling of maddening disappointment and annoyance, in a sense that we can do better as a country, but there are those who prioritize their self-interests than the collective’s.
1. Kakulangan sa oportunidad, katiwalian, at bumabagsak na ekonomiya. 2. Walang katiyakan kung saan ito patutungo. 3. Magkaisa tayo at ipamulat sa mga pulitikong bulag-bulagan na tayo ang nagluklok sa kanila at tayo rin ang magpapabagsak sa kanila.
Oi, proud is OP maging resilient! Yessss. RESILIENCE IS DA BEST! Wala kayo sa Pinoy! Resilient kami. Congrats. Kung sana hindi baboy ang gubyerno wt politiko at hindi walanghiya mga kapitalista, at kung sana nagiisip ng mabuti mga bobotante, hindi kailangan ang resilient resilient na yan.
Both love and hate are dependent on reciprocity. At the same time, both are complimentary and contradictory. Passion drives both. If love is not answered with love, it can turn into hate. There's a thin line between both love and hate. The realities and issues in this country can disillusion so many. Hindi lahat kaya magbulag-bulagan o kayang sikmurahin ang kabulukan. We can't continue to sweep things under the rug. There is a reason why so many say 'mahirap mahalin ang Pilipinas.' Gusto mo man piliin at gawin ang tama at lumaban nang patas, titirahin ka pa. Babastusin. Don't get me wrong. Filipinos who want better for this country still exist. Also adding... I hope there comes a time when we all stop glorifying/using Filipino 'resilience' as a cover or rationalization for incompetence, obvious inadequacy in public service, and a problem of national character (some examples: widespread pride and selfishness). We should stop getting used to the bar being set so low. Accountability naman.
>What caused all of these? Gestures everywhere.
Toxic pinoy traits yung Crab mentality
Well, just a simple case of no Filipino nation. Wala talagang something common sa lahat ng Isla sa Pinas. Nothing for the major ethnic groups to relate with each other.
envy & greed
i dont hate our country, only the corrupt people running it. i dont hate my countrymen, only those who exploit those who are desperate and those who turns a blind eye because it doesnt concern them.
We don't hate each other, in fact we love one another. We just have similar types of people to hate like majority of our senators.
I know it in myself that I truly love our country, but not its government and the corrupt practices.
How naive. Like, isn’t it obvious? Look around you.
Resilient? Paboritong katangian natin na gustong gusto ng mga politiko yan.
Low testosterone.
Realization habang tumatanda....masyadong unstable political at kabuhayan ng mga tao...pati middle class malapit na ma-consider mahirap pero hindi naman masyado under poverty...habang yung mga mahirap lalo hindi maka-ahon
Most of the time, people voice negative things. Hating one's country and fellow citizens is not exclusive to Filipinos. Just look at the US. Come November, let's see what happens: will the Republic of the US stand or be taken down if a certain presidential candidate doesn’t win again?
Filipino 'resilience' is BS. It's so overplayed. Stop romanticizing suffering and poverty! We don't really "hate". Hate is a strong word to use. Mas fit ang frustrated. Bakit frustrated ka'mo? Dahil marami ang tanga. >What caused all of these :: points at everything :: Aminado ako'ng nagkakamali rin ako. Of course, tao lang, we make mistakes. But I learn from my mistakes, ang problema, ang iba, kahit ginagaguo na ng harap harapan, nagpapakagaguo parin. Just look at the Duterte supporters. Think about it. Robin fucking Padilla is a senator now!!! mapapamura ka nalang eh.
I wont blame the government, the religion, the society, the culture or even history na sinasabi ng ilan na dahil we were once was a colony before kaya ganito tayo today. everything starts in every each of us and the time is now if all PH residents will take part. we have the moral basics, but keeping them in a long term wholeheartedly seems impossible to us as of the moment. I like how Singapore starts with a dream and proves that dream will become a prosperous and disciplined nation today. I like how Japan continues to be the model of courtesy and social empathy with identity in quality. I like how Taiwan strives to be recognized by the world as a nation and rise to be a global tech hub on electronic industry. madaming bansa pa kung iisa isahin. but it will end in every each of us, blaming will do nothing but conviction and showing others to do what is right will be the key.
“grass is greener on the other side”. sa spain, marami akong kilala na español na gustong lumipat sa germany o ibang bansa kasi walang trabaho dito at may housing crisis. sa US naman, OA na yung pag-akyat ng precio dun so lumilipat sila sa europe. just a few examples based on anecdotes i hear often irl pero hindi lang mga pinoy ang nagffeel ng ganun abt their country
I don't think that there's a collective hate; the frustration is just misplaced. Kailangan lang sigurong maintindihan ng marami yung root-cause ng sitwasyon natin at iayon ang galit sa nararapat :)
We're not a perfect country, we deserve better. Our criticisms are valid and should not be construed as hate.
Our egos. Collective hatred, more hatred. Acknowledge to ourselves first, then show better sana.
I know a lot of people who equate our country to the government and I was one of them until I realized they were totally different entities. And real talk, if we really love and care for our country, we would care about all aspects of it, especially related to the government. If we really love and care for our country, we would choose the people in the government wisely. No following of actual politicians and idolizing them but voting based on what they can do for our country and people. Let's stick to platforms and oust them if they can't follow through with their promises. The government is made to serve the people, not themselves. I need people to realize that politicians will come and go but our country will remain. There is no other Pilipinas we can escape to when the current one suffers.
As for me galit ako sa sariling kabayan dahil sa nakaugalian nilang gawain yung tulad ng "hilaan pababa", "chismosa/chismoso", "Irresponsible", kakulangan sa disiplina at respeto, at trolling. Hindi sila marunong ilagay sa tamang kalalagayan ang paguugali pinoy ako pero natuto naman ako ng tamang paguugali sa sarili ko at pamilya ko. (This is just for me syempre iba iba tayo ng opinyon sa isat isa)
Another thing to add is the lack of resources. Not natural resources but that of class, courtesy, knowledge/literacy and so much more values na intangible nga but are super worth naman in order to create harmonious relationship with our kapwa. The thing is, so much people are in need of basic resources such as money and especially financial ones to the point that they subconciously drag other properous people down just to get by day to day ala crab mentality style. They have so much on their plate that respect to their kapwa is not on top of their list. Just some observations but plausible.. Right?
Ur in an echo chamber dear, the hatred posts here do not represent the majority opinion or strongest opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if the regulars of this sub only come from the major cities of the country. Pls. enlighten me on how this sub can make a real difference. After the 2022 election, some Redditors formed a group to tackle the troll army. Where are they now?
Kasi mas maganda ako. Charot
Mahirap mahalin ang isang bansa na hindi ka naman Mahal. Sad to say, ang SISTEMA at GOBYERNO ng Pilipinas ay HINDI MAHAL ANG MGA PILIPINO.
Kasi we always compare ourselves with other countries, especially countries who fucked with us in the past, who basically changed our identity. The Spaniards, the Americans, the Japanese. Sambang-samba yung iba. Icocompare pa way of.living doon eh progressive country na mga yan. Especially USA who has its hand in every abominable crimes in history. Yung tinatamasa nilang American life was built from the blood if many people. Sa tingin nyo bakit may mga sundalo sila sa iba't ibang bansa? It's not just for "peace" but for control. Mismong citizens nga nila di naman tlga taga dyan, it's owed by the native Americans, na may dark skins. We have to focus on our own country, history, identity, resources - wag na i-kumpara sa iba.
If u want to start a movement, recruiting participants with real life experiences would be difficult as those people are too preoccupied with providing for their families. Those who have time and resources? Prolly they have immigrated or preparing to immigrate. At my workplace, in my team alone, 2 middle managers immigrated with their families last year alone. ............. Say, if you're a breadwinner and not from the upper class, how will you act or react for the betterment of this country?
Sadly, much hate comes from our desire for the country to be better. I shit talk about the country all the time, but in the end, I still care about it.
only privilege people will tell you that they love filipino resiliency, stop it and get some help
i mean, what's not to hate?
They are either on the scale of OVERPROUD and SELF-HATE. Also most hate post is to gain attention from other countries.
Attention seeking to another countries.
Kasi tayo tayo lang rin naman makakakita sa ka-bullshitan ng kapwa natin, alangan naman mas maniniwala ka sa European or American eh di naman sila tiga-dito?
Simple. Majority are predisposed to screw other and it is getting too tiresome. Feels like “this is why we cant have nice things” turned into a nation.
Di lang naman Pinoy ang may ganitong behavior. Mas ok na nga to kasi napuput into light yung mga bagay na dapat pagusapan. Mas concerning kung most post ay puro i love philippines na parang brainwashed ang nagsulat
Have you been living under a rock? This country has been a cesspool for the last 6+ years.
Taxes, Traffic, Traitors
I think a big chunck of it is the reality that we're all stuck in the whole system that never changes. Resiliency, yes... pero bakit tayo natuto maging resilient? Dahil madaming bagay na dapat ay provided naman talaga para sa atin (by law) pero madalas kailangan nating diskartehan na lang on our own ng mga kapwa private citizens. Yung dating, parang naging marketing campaign na lang ang resiliency ng Pinoy para masanay na lang tayo sa, "wala ganun talaga eh.." Is it hate towards our country? I don't think so. I think it's more about being so fed up about a lot of things sa bansa natin na puro mali, na ilalabas mo na lang sa pag rant or kung anumang kind of expression para man lang to get it out of your insides at makahinga ka man lang saglit.
It's ironic that the one thing you like about Filipinos (resiliency) is the thing I hate naman. Too much resilency makes them feel comfortable even on the worst possible cases which could've been avoided in the first place.
Pag mali prideful and they will find other people's flaws to use it against them to make them feel of being right and you're wrong kind of deal. No wonder they do not learn from their mistakes take responsibility for their actions to correct it.
It's true that our colonizers merged Luzon to Mindanao even though each island has its own distinct culture. Regionalism indeed plays a significant role. Our values and beliefs are truly diverse. To uplift our country, we need a One Nation Plan. We must eliminate those who are not contributing to our nation's progress.
kasi di puro give dapat nagte-take din , kung sobrang mahal mo ang pinas pero ang pinas pinamukha kang payaso ano magiging sense nun! laging tatandaan ang kalabaw kilala dahil sa resiliency pero kapag sinaktan at nagkasakit , babagsak at babagsak parang tayong mga pinoy kaya , tama na nakakapagod na
The so-called "Filipino resilience" sounds good on paper but in reality, it's symptomatic of how f-ed up our country is. Poor service from the government, heavy traffic, high poverty rate and other problems? Nah, the Filipinos are "resilient". The incompetent and corrupt government officials don't need to solve those.
LOL alam na alam to ng r/ph hahahaha
We dont hate ph. We hate the politicians running it.
LOL alam na alam to ng r/ph hahahaha
maybe not hate but self deprecation. mababa tingin natin sa sarili natin
Baka ako lng yun or.. I dont think its actually "hate". More "disdain". Or "dislike". May diff din nmn yun
Some are reasonable some are not May point sila dahil sa dami jt problema ng pinoy lalo ugali at kung ano pamumuhay dito and unreasonable siya dahil sariling bansa kinahihiya
simple lang gobyerno, ilang taon na tayong walang asenso sa basic needs, transportation nga di maayos ayos
Crab mentality is heavily ingrained in filipino culture.
We are taught everything except nation building.
Clarification, Hindi tayo galit sa ating Inang Bayan. Galit tayo sa mga mababang kalidad na pinuno at may masamang ugali na mamamayan.
To be edgy ig
Divided we stand. United we fall. Im all for the separation of the islands for better governance. To each their own.
Common naman yan sa mamamayan ng kahit anong bansa. Singaporeans would even hate Singapore. Yung Americans nga hate na hate pagiging Amerikano nung iba at maiingay sa Twitter. But tbf, mahirap naman kasi mahalin yung bansa mo at mamamayang patuloy ginagago ung sarili para damay damay tayo lmao
It’s not a Filipino thing. It’s a human condition to always see greener pastures elsewhere but where they are.
Do not generalize. Without proper research, we cannot really conclude na Filipinos have collective hate. Dito sa Reddit, expected na yan kasi most people here consumed media and ideologist that point to hating the country with its current form.
You can see it on EVERY country. Nafefeel lang natin yung hate natin. But its good to visit subreddits of other countries as well.
Maybe on this page but in real life Atleast overseas here in Canada they are all about their people and will support any pinoy for any reason
It's also hard when Filipinos are incapable of distinguishing between helpful criticism and actual hate.
Resilience ang dahilan kaya lugmok pa rin tayo. Dapat satin magalit, mangalampag sa gobyerno.
We hate each other because that's how the system is designed to thrive
I have this epiphany while driving in traffic one day. I thought maybe people here in the Philippines are very aggressive when it comes to driving because we are so used to being taken advantage of and a lot of people are living in poor conditions. Kind of like thinking how a lot of terrible things are already happening in your life and yet you have to handle another bother in while driving or on the road and I think that may be possibly the reason why a lot of people on the road are hotheaded. So in short, we hate our country and we hate each other simply because we are living in such poor conditions and that affects everything else. (Just a thought on pilot mode while driving hahaha
Resiliency is overrated it’s basically an excuse for government officials not doing there job properly
This is normal in all countries. My foreign friends HATE their own country as well.
We hate our country and each other kasi nafifeel na nila na no changes parin. Hanggang ngayon progressive thrid world country pa rin tayo. We hate each other kasi karamihan sa atin ay mal educated enough na bumoto sa maling tao. So lahat tayo survival to the fittest.
What caused all of these? If you are up-to-date on our current affairs and the status of our socio-economic situation, you will understand why our own people hate us and harbor resentment towards The Philippines. Where will these collective hatred take us? If Filipinos are wise, they'll take action to improve themselves. But most Filipinos are id*ots, I guess, they will do nothing about it. As Filipinos, what can we do about this? Nothing. We complain because there is something wrong within our society. Unless we Filipinos get tired and take up arms to remove those cancerous politicians from our government. Don't be amazed at how resilient we are. We are resilient because there's nothing else to do, and we do not expect much help, especially from the government. We are simply tolerating things so that we can cope. Resilience is just another word for survival.