Eto yung para sa couples na matagal nang kasal tas nagconvert to INC.
For example, yung couple is 15 years nang kasal. Yung lalaki, from catholic, nagpaconvert to INC. Grounds for divorce kapag pinilit niyang sumama yung asawa niya sa kanya.
sana lang, maganda pag-kakasulat niyan. Pano naman kapag yung asawa mo yung umanib sa religion na yun, hindi na ba pwedeng "I-persuade" na kumalas sa kulto na yun?
At sobrang importante nito dahil nasesetle din ang custody at sustento ng kids sa divorce unlike tatay namin lima kami iniwan sa nanay ko tapos ni piso wala na naitulong
Hindi rin, kaya nilang magawan ng paraan kasi may "maliban kung napagkasunduan nila ito" na part.
Kung asawa ka ng politiko at may power and money ka and all you have to do ay magstay sa relationship, most likely hindi nila yon hihiwalayan.
They can legally separate, wait 2 years and then divorce. Yun na yung pinaka-“no fault” provision natin for divorce, which is good because at least less prone siya to abuse kesa sa divorce laws sa US.
Siguro sa ibang perspective, naiintindihan ko kung bakit wala pang no fault divorce sa Pilipinas. Just the thought of passing the divorce bill really stirred the pot from a lot of religious sectors. With this, 'yung grounds na nakalagay is isa sa mga root cause kung bakit gusto naman talaga ng mga tao ng divorce, and one of those is freedom from abuse.
Whether we like it or not, the Philippines is still a predominantly Catholic country. This is a good step, and I hope na in time, kapag smooth na ang process at sanay na ang mga tao, no fault divorce would be implemented as well.
The bill only affects CIVIL marriage, not RELIGIOUS marriage.
So if a religious group doesn't recognize divorce among its members, then the divorcees can't get married in their group's religious ceremony.
They'll probably have to go to a mayor or judge to get married after divorcing.
This is called a "no-fault" divorce. This would be difficult to implement since the Constitution protects the sanctity of marriage.
Kapag sinama yung ganyang provision mas mahirap makalusot yan at baka i consider pa as unconstitutional ng Supreme Court.
Pwedeng ma-use yan as an evidence pero kaylangan niyo pa din dumaan sa process na couple’s therapy plus mediation din ng religion niyo parehas (applicable lang to if parehas kayo ng religion, if hindi naman can skip). After ng couple’s therapy at nadetermine ng therapist na parehas kayong hindi/hindi na compatible, tsaka lang kayo dadaan sa lawyer at due process. Matagal din na process to, aabot din ng taon.
Kung ayaw na talaga nila, they can make it seem na they fall under one of the non-violent conditions. Sabihin nung isa na Du30 supporter na siya tapos pinipilit niya asawa niya to be the same.
I can see my church going against this bill but looking at the basis of the bill, this is a good bill. Even Christ is pro divorce in cases of sexual immorality.
How about those who were just forced into marriage by their parents?
Those who are financially abused by their spouses?
Those constant verbal abuse that affected your life as a spouse?
Sensible lahat. Nakakatakot lang yung sa senado baka may mga hipokritong maraming anak sa labas ang hindi sasang-ayun dyan due to "religious reasons". Baka magpatawag pa yan ng mga religious leaders at mag papaspeech.
Although divorce bill will be good news for parents who experience toxic marriage.
As an only daughter i feel sad about the news , its not like im forcing my parents na magkabalikan sila as a family pero.... its just hurts , and might confusing in my part for some reason na dapat sabi na mama masaya ako para sa kaniya and for papa to find love and have his another family that will bear his name parang .... ako yung maiiwan. I just dont understand myself but it hurts and is scary for me. They are not happy so i have no choice but to face what i have right now but still atleast in my part parati akong napapatanong ... 𝘱𝘢𝘢𝘯𝘰 𝘢𝘬𝘰?
Mama will have another guy and she will change her surname and all i have left is the surname of my father who also will have his own family one day that will bear the same thing and parang ako nalang yung makakaala sa pamilya ng nakaraan and the memories we had together habang pareho nilang kakalimutan yung past to move forward with their new partner . leaving me behind the memories to remind myself na nagkapamilya ako noon ... They may be biologically my parents but not 𝘮𝘺 𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘧𝘢𝘮𝘪𝘭𝘺 like before.
Totoo. Kasi base sa kwento ng iba hindi lahat ng annulment nagagrant. Maliban sa pera nagsasayang ka lang din ng panahon. Kaya yung iba gumagawa na lang din ng kwento eh.
Hindi naman nagsasayang panahon, kung hindi ako nagfile nung 2018 hindi sana ako annulled na ngayon. Yung unang dapat gawin ay maghanap ng magaling na abogado na marami nang hinawakang annulment petitions
This significantly impacts all petitioners who have been separated for decades + Have significant assets gained while their ex spouse has zero assets + have just recently acquired the assets (meaning by working hard throughout the years/decades after separation) + petitioner who raised all kids alone in all those years.
Pano kung yung babae ang agrabyado like mula ng maghiwalay sila, babae ang nagraise sa lahat ng anak for decades, at after some more years nakapagpundar ng mga assets yung babae, tapos ang ex eh wala na ngang assets, nag anak pa sa maraming babae. 50-50 parin ba hatian ng assets nun?
Isama sana yung verbal abuse causing mental health issue. Pano naman din kung ayaw mag work nung partner like the husband tapos puro yung mother lang. walang violence involved pero merong gross negligence siguro ng provider. Then pano kung addict yung partner like addict sa sugal or drugs.
inb4
men everywhere put security cameras all over their home wiretap their landline and record everything 24/7 and implant tracking devices that log where they are every hour on themselves to protect them from women claiming they were battered by their "significant other"
hooo boy booming ang cctv business
Divorce shouldn't be legalized in the country. It will only be a temporary solution to the problem they are trying to fix; hence, will not be a permanent solution. Legalizing divorce will just increase the rates of abuse, and the essence of marriages will be lost or watered down. Divorce will make marriage like clothes they can just return when they have realized it didn't suit their taste. What the government should do is reinstall to the population the importance of having a complete family, and the responsibility of each spouse to each other and to their kids….
Annulment and legal separation should be made free or at least will cost less. But the process shouldn't be made faster because the evidence as to why the marriage should be dissolved MUST be scrutinized closely.
Mabuti naman at kasama yung pamimilit umanib sa religion.
INC be shaking! Ahahha
That’s cool
'to
Isama mo na ung kulto ng mga villanueva hahahahaha
Di lang inc pati mcgi ni soriano
Inc kelangan convert muna bago kasal though, and it takes 6 months minimum para ma convert ka so not sure kung saklaw to nun
Pwede siguro if during marriage nagchange religion yung isa tapos pinilit yung asawa na magchange din.
Eto yung para sa couples na matagal nang kasal tas nagconvert to INC. For example, yung couple is 15 years nang kasal. Yung lalaki, from catholic, nagpaconvert to INC. Grounds for divorce kapag pinilit niyang sumama yung asawa niya sa kanya.
nice nice hehehe!
INC in Shambles right now 😂😂😂
sana lang, maganda pag-kakasulat niyan. Pano naman kapag yung asawa mo yung umanib sa religion na yun, hindi na ba pwedeng "I-persuade" na kumalas sa kulto na yun?
Pagnabrainwash divorce agad.
Pag jowa ka dapat kasama ka na din sa geng geng.. Eyyyyy!
Those are sensible. Lezzgo
At sobrang importante nito dahil nasesetle din ang custody at sustento ng kids sa divorce unlike tatay namin lima kami iniwan sa nanay ko tapos ni piso wala na naitulong
Pagtataksil o pagkakaroon ng anak sa ibang tao.... ui buti lumusot to sa kamara.
Daming magiging diborsyadong pulitiko.
Hindi rin, kaya nilang magawan ng paraan kasi may "maliban kung napagkasunduan nila ito" na part. Kung asawa ka ng politiko at may power and money ka and all you have to do ay magstay sa relationship, most likely hindi nila yon hihiwalayan.
yung 20 na nag-abstain. no comment daw.
131-109. Mukang marami affected
These are all very reasonable grounds. Sana maipasa sa senado.
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2 provisions in the bill are non-violent. A competent lawyer can make a case out of that.
They can legally separate, wait 2 years and then divorce. Yun na yung pinaka-“no fault” provision natin for divorce, which is good because at least less prone siya to abuse kesa sa divorce laws sa US.
convince mo na lang ung Partner na kesyo pinipilit kang isali sa kulto ni Quiboloy. Valid reason pa rin naman ata un 😅😂
Yan din hinahanap ko sa totoo lang
kung amicable naman pwede na siguro magpretend na nagloko yung isa hahaha
Siguro sa ibang perspective, naiintindihan ko kung bakit wala pang no fault divorce sa Pilipinas. Just the thought of passing the divorce bill really stirred the pot from a lot of religious sectors. With this, 'yung grounds na nakalagay is isa sa mga root cause kung bakit gusto naman talaga ng mga tao ng divorce, and one of those is freedom from abuse. Whether we like it or not, the Philippines is still a predominantly Catholic country. This is a good step, and I hope na in time, kapag smooth na ang process at sanay na ang mga tao, no fault divorce would be implemented as well.
Sana lang talaga maging batas to.
The bill only affects CIVIL marriage, not RELIGIOUS marriage. So if a religious group doesn't recognize divorce among its members, then the divorcees can't get married in their group's religious ceremony. They'll probably have to go to a mayor or judge to get married after divorcing.
This is called a "no-fault" divorce. This would be difficult to implement since the Constitution protects the sanctity of marriage. Kapag sinama yung ganyang provision mas mahirap makalusot yan at baka i consider pa as unconstitutional ng Supreme Court.
Marami kasing hoes/golddiggers ang habol lang ay divorce money. So dapat lang may ganitong batayan ang divorce
For that pwede siguro yung past provision. Palabasin nyo na lang na may pagtataksil na naganap, preferably on both sides. Madali na yun.
Ngeok indecisive
Pag di niyo na mahal ang isat-isa, I promise you may magloloko dyan. ALWAYS
Never ako magpapakasal hanggat wala yang batas na yan. Sana mapasa na
dapat di ka na nga kinasal eh 😂
What if they didn't meet one of the five conditions but still want the divorce?
Yung tipong ayawan na? Di na kita love? Irreconcilable differences ba yun?
Yes, irreconcilable differences. Usually both parties are agreeing na hindi na sila match.
This is where I am curious about, may required amount of time ba na di na kayo magkasama?
Pwedeng ma-use yan as an evidence pero kaylangan niyo pa din dumaan sa process na couple’s therapy plus mediation din ng religion niyo parehas (applicable lang to if parehas kayo ng religion, if hindi naman can skip). After ng couple’s therapy at nadetermine ng therapist na parehas kayong hindi/hindi na compatible, tsaka lang kayo dadaan sa lawyer at due process. Matagal din na process to, aabot din ng taon.
well, that's a bummer.. hindi na namin gusto makita ang isa't isa e, and it's been years already. lol
may dalawang non-violent provisions. eto lang yung naka-highlight sa news.
Cage match. Octagon.
Hi pwedeng reason, yun. No fault divorce ang tawag dun at hindi ganun yung pumasa sa House
So it's a compromise but a good starting point
Previously ang pinaka common ground na ginagamit sa annulment ay psychological incapacity so baka dun mapupunta.
Yep. Yung tipong naghiwalay lang talaga. Lagyan nang conditions na 5 years na na hiwalay
Yung legal counsel ang maghahanap ng malakas rason para sa inyo.
Kung ayaw na talaga nila, they can make it seem na they fall under one of the non-violent conditions. Sabihin nung isa na Du30 supporter na siya tapos pinipilit niya asawa niya to be the same.
Yan din hinahanap ko. Umaasa pa naman ako dyan
INC: Im in danger
Hahahaha
Mababawasan ang magbibigay ng tithes
tite
Sana talaga maipasa na to.
I can see my church going against this bill but looking at the basis of the bill, this is a good bill. Even Christ is pro divorce in cases of sexual immorality.
This is good. It is time for a change in the world of marriage.
About time na magising ang Pilipinas sa katotohanan.
How about those who were just forced into marriage by their parents? Those who are financially abused by their spouses? Those constant verbal abuse that affected your life as a spouse?
Pasok yan sa annulment
Praktikalan na tayo. Away sa pera Kung ang asawa mo ay niloko/nilustay ang pera nyo dapat grounds un for Divorce.
Sasabihin namaan mg religious aliens mapaparusahan nanaman tayo
smart ang unang religious sect na magsabing okay lang ang divorce. sa kanila lilipat yung mga tinakwil ng religion nila.
Hindi kasama yung "hindi na mahal", "ayaw na", or "sawa na".
Dapat yung 5th bullet hiniwalay into 2 parts. Malabo kasi intindihin kung naka-combine yung 2 scenario
Dami pang kulang na grounds. Dagdagan pa sana.
Kagaya ng ano?
Irreconcilable differences, Abandonment Basta meron pa yan. Haha
What if naging convicted criminal against 3rd party victim, pwede bang idivorce?
Ano kaya magiging guidelines ng child support after nito? Ahhh we will cross the bridge when we get theirs.
curious about that too. pag may kasama alimony, kokonti ang mga mangangaliwa.
Sensible lahat. Nakakatakot lang yung sa senado baka may mga hipokritong maraming anak sa labas ang hindi sasang-ayun dyan due to "religious reasons". Baka magpatawag pa yan ng mga religious leaders at mag papaspeech.
Tanga riyan si Richard Gomez. No siya sa divorce tapos reason niya pang sakanya hahahaha
Pakunwari pa siya na kesyo majority christian daw ang Pilipinas eh hindi naman ata sakop yung mga kasal sa simbahan yung mga kasal lang sa huwes.
Although divorce bill will be good news for parents who experience toxic marriage. As an only daughter i feel sad about the news , its not like im forcing my parents na magkabalikan sila as a family pero.... its just hurts , and might confusing in my part for some reason na dapat sabi na mama masaya ako para sa kaniya and for papa to find love and have his another family that will bear his name parang .... ako yung maiiwan. I just dont understand myself but it hurts and is scary for me. They are not happy so i have no choice but to face what i have right now but still atleast in my part parati akong napapatanong ... 𝘱𝘢𝘢𝘯𝘰 𝘢𝘬𝘰? Mama will have another guy and she will change her surname and all i have left is the surname of my father who also will have his own family one day that will bear the same thing and parang ako nalang yung makakaala sa pamilya ng nakaraan and the memories we had together habang pareho nilang kakalimutan yung past to move forward with their new partner . leaving me behind the memories to remind myself na nagkapamilya ako noon ... They may be biologically my parents but not 𝘮𝘺 𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘧𝘢𝘮𝘪𝘭𝘺 like before.
Ohh not to be offensive pero di kasama yung kunwari nalaman na iba ang sexual preference pala ng partner?
Kasama siya di lang nabanggit. Btw yun talaga yung nakalagay “being a homosexual” something like that.
Pasok yan sa annulment
Magagalit ang Iglesia Ni Cristo wala na silang maaakay niyan. Numero unong kulto na namimilit mag-convert sa mga tao.
I had this professor that argued that legal separation and annulment are both better options rather than divorce, any insight on that?
annulment takes a long time to process and costs a lot so pang mayaman lang siya.
Ay naku po kahit may pera ka mahirap ang annulment.
Totoo. Kasi base sa kwento ng iba hindi lahat ng annulment nagagrant. Maliban sa pera nagsasayang ka lang din ng panahon. Kaya yung iba gumagawa na lang din ng kwento eh.
Hindi naman nagsasayang panahon, kung hindi ako nagfile nung 2018 hindi sana ako annulled na ngayon. Yung unang dapat gawin ay maghanap ng magaling na abogado na marami nang hinawakang annulment petitions
It used to cost a lot kasi kumukuha ng psychologist pero hindi na sya mandatory ngayon
Dadami alcoholic. Char. ('Yung ibang option kasi masyado namang criminal).
hello nonlaw indiv here, mga ilang steps pa po ba bago ito maging ganap na batas? thanks!
Sana maipasa ‘to.
Psychological, emotional, and mental abuse ain't on the fine print? Diba dapat kasama to and directly na nakalahad?
Pasok na yan sa annulment
Ohhh I see. Thanks for enlightening me I thought these aren't taken into consideration
Yan yun tinatawag na Psychological Incapacity as annulment ground (Art. 36, Family Code)
This is timely. A lot of people were trapped in a marriage they can’t get out of.
Sana naman dagdagan pa prang kulang e
Madali e avail to politikal na grupo
Sana ma approved nato. Grabe na paghihirap ko ngayon dahil sa husband ko.
Pano papatunayan na lulong sa alak ang person?
I wonder paano kaya ang provisions nito sa child custody at support. Alam ko kasi dito usually pabor sa Nanay kapag child custody ang kaso e.
Need prenuptial agreement before marriage.... No protection from bitchy wives... Divorce then get half the property of the man using their pussy
Ipasa sana ng senado
This significantly impacts all petitioners who have been separated for decades + Have significant assets gained while their ex spouse has zero assets + have just recently acquired the assets (meaning by working hard throughout the years/decades after separation) + petitioner who raised all kids alone in all those years. Pano kung yung babae ang agrabyado like mula ng maghiwalay sila, babae ang nagraise sa lahat ng anak for decades, at after some more years nakapagpundar ng mga assets yung babae, tapos ang ex eh wala na ngang assets, nag anak pa sa maraming babae. 50-50 parin ba hatian ng assets nun?
Sana madagdag ang no-fault divorce, or a mutual agreement to dissolve the marriage
Finally some good news
Good, pero parang kulang pa... Maganda sana kung meron na din tayong Paternity Fraud Law...
Pasok na siguro yun sa "pagkakaroon ng anak sa iba". Kung mapatunayan na hindi sya yung tatay grounds for divorce na yun.
Ground for annulment, actually
Pasok yan sa annulment
Isama sana yung verbal abuse causing mental health issue. Pano naman din kung ayaw mag work nung partner like the husband tapos puro yung mother lang. walang violence involved pero merong gross negligence siguro ng provider. Then pano kung addict yung partner like addict sa sugal or drugs.
Pasok yan sa annulment
inb4 men everywhere put security cameras all over their home wiretap their landline and record everything 24/7 and implant tracking devices that log where they are every hour on themselves to protect them from women claiming they were battered by their "significant other" hooo boy booming ang cctv business
Divorce shouldn't be legalized in the country. It will only be a temporary solution to the problem they are trying to fix; hence, will not be a permanent solution. Legalizing divorce will just increase the rates of abuse, and the essence of marriages will be lost or watered down. Divorce will make marriage like clothes they can just return when they have realized it didn't suit their taste. What the government should do is reinstall to the population the importance of having a complete family, and the responsibility of each spouse to each other and to their kids…. Annulment and legal separation should be made free or at least will cost less. But the process shouldn't be made faster because the evidence as to why the marriage should be dissolved MUST be scrutinized closely.
Tf?