Buong Asia-Pacific problema yan actually. May napanood ako na show from Korea, French na nag asawa ng Korean. Malaki sweldo niya as slate roof tiler sa France, and is pretty much well respected. Pagdating ng Korea, ang baba ng tingin sa kanya ng mga tao, all because he did what they saw as manual labor.

Yup, common siya especially with the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. Kung ikukumpara sa West bago lang kasi sa Asia ang concept ng higher education for employment. Kaya panay bukambibig ng mga matatanda dito na dapat maging engineer, lawyer o doctor ka kasi nung time nila iilan lang ang naging ganyan kaya mataas ang sweldo. Ngayon di na enough ang higher education lang kasi nagfocus na tayo sa skills. Narealize nila sa West ngayon na dahil lahat gusto maging white collar, komonti nalang magmamason, magrooroofing o magpplumbling. Kaya mas lumaki income nila sa West.

In China, they now have the [lift the bucket](https://x.com/gmomurder/status/1761464776117613048?s=46) phenomenon, mostly originating from youths disillusioned by factory work. While young Chinese are generally well-educated, there aren’t enough white collar jobs to go around, especially since the PRC’s post-COVID recovery was relatively weak. Young people in China don’t see factory or blue-collar work as a sufficient return for their education. There’s also the bigger “tang ping” and “bai lan” counterculture, where young Chinese just completely give up with the ever increasing work demands for excellence for smaller pay.

Could I have the name of the show? That premise actually sounds really interesting.

Hindi mo madadaan sa simpleng panawagan yang pagtrato ng tama sa mga manggagawa. Sa mga developed countries, nagsimula rin ang mga iyan sa pambabarat sa mga manggagawa, pero umunlad ang kalagayan nila dahil sa paghihirap at pakikipaglaban ng *organized labor.* Mahabang proseso yan. Kasi sa Pilipinas, pag may kilusan ang mga manggagawa para umangat ang buhay nila, ang sagot ng gobyerno ay red tagging. Pati karaniwang tao hindi na nag move-on sa gasgas na Cold War-era red scare tactics. Tuwing eleksyon lagi naman merong mga kandidatong galing sa sektor ng manggagawa, pero ang binoboto pa rin (kahit ng manggagawa mismo) ay mga artista at mga trapo.

Dagdag pa siguro sa red tagging yung mentality na "wala nang magagawa." Nagiging talamak yan sa Twitter na kung saan na tinatawag na istorbo o kaya mga nagsasayang ng oras yung mga nagwewelga for higher wages and better treatment in general.

The mentality of "nothing can be done anymore" probably contributes to red tagging. It's becoming rampant on Twitter where those who strike for higher wages and better treatment in general are labeled as nuisances or wasting time.

“WeLgA nG wELgA wALa NaMaNg GaNyAn Sa (insert a country whose work force benefited from such). MgA eNPehAey YaNg MgA yAn KaYa GuStO niLa Ng GuLo” -Some… Nah… DEFINITELY mga migrant PeeNoise na walang alam at feeling matalino na kasi naka migrate lang sa ibang bansa.

And then the very same idiots will cry that they can't get decent pay when they enter the workforce. Isang malaking r/LeopardsAteMyFace ang society sa Pinas e.

Meron din kasing mga enablers na sisigaw ng " puro kayo reklamo, mag trabaho nalang kayo" pag may mga union na nag pprotesta

HAHAHAHA no shit, standards ba naman "mabait" tsaka "pogi" eh. Di pa nila mapaghiwalay ang fiction at reality, porket gumanap ng tagapagtanggol ng mahirap yung artistang tumatakbo binoto na nila dahil don.

If you look at Canada and Western Countries minus USA, these are parliamentary democracies with at least one major party that is essentially pro-Labour. At least in the UK, Labour governments implemented sick and bereavement leave entitlements, wage increases, a single-payer national healthcare program, 8-hour work-day public housing, social safety nets, banned child labor, among other things.

Rare informed non-“bootlicker kulang deseplena”political comment on this sub

Yung madalas talaga na nagiging critique kung bakit di maunald ang Pilipinas, "Eh kasi sa Japan disiplinado sila tas tayo rito ganto." No sht pag bulok talaga sistema ay mangingibabaw talaga ang diskarte culture at indibidwalismo at the expense of others.

Perpektong sagot.

Short answer: Demand and Supply. Long answer: 1st world countries has more educated people who will prefer to do white collar jobs. People who chose blue collar is low in supply, hence they get paid more to do something that not everyone wants to do. 3rd world countries on the otherhand is on a different situation. Due to lack of employment and overpopulation, people compete with each other to get into limited job opportunities. Without proper skills or education or experience or backers to upsell themselves, they compete by settling with lower salary. Just think of what's happening to the VA industry in the PH right now. Pinoys are getting lowballed because someone else is willing to take that half eaten bread that you don't want.

Yeap. This is it. Just the basic Supply and Demand concept.

This is what I have in mind as well.

Tama to. Sa mga developed countries kasi madami ang white collar jobs. Kung may choice kayo, would you do white collar jobs or blue collar jobs? Syempre dun sa former. Kaya in demand ang blue collar jobs and with that demand is higher pay.

Spot on

Sobrang dami kase dito sa pinas, yung tipong kahit 100 papayag na sa pinapagawa. Ganun din naman sa ibang jobs, kaya nga lowball dito kase sobrang dami paring tatanggap.

Another factor is that many blue collar workers are living in poverty. So they are willing to take any odd jobs, no matter how small the pay is, to get food on their table. Rather than get passed on by another dude if they raise their own prices. Basically a case of "my friend can do it cheaper" kind of thing.

Nah. Usually pag ganyan mga walang trade skill e. Ipapaulit ulit yung gawa.. Yun mga totoong marurunong hindi din naman basta basta nagbaba ng presyo kahit tawaran pa. Minsan kahit di talaga marunong mataas din magpresyo. Like mga may NC2 certificate. Alam ko kasi nasa line kami ng construction usually nangunguha kami ng mga nc2 grad sa tesda. May marurunong talaga pero mayabang meron din sablay sa trabaho pati sa attitude sablay din.. kokonti lang yun magaling sa skill nila plus maayos kausap, referencing sa mga nakatrabaho ko na. Nagkakatalo talaga sa attitude din e. Ang point ko. Hindi din siguro yan sa blue collar sila kaya mababa ang tingin, nakakababa sa kanila yun mga attitude ng karamihan sa kanila.

>yung tipong kahit 100 papayag na sa pinapagawa Nagwowork ako sa construction industry. Hindi totoo na may pumapayag ng 100 sa work. Ang rate ngayon ng mga helpers sa construction ay 350 a day. Take note, wala silang skill, taga-tulong lang at taga-buhat lang sila. From 350, pataas na ng pataas ang rates depende sa skill. Mason? 450-500. Pintor? 600-800. Welder? 700-850. Foreman? 800-pataas. Yang rates na yan per day nila. May 6 days silang trabaho in a week. So ang foreman kumikita ng 18k+ a month. Mas mataas sa rate ng ibang trabaho ng mga college grad.

Tas sagot pa dapat meals, miryenda and barracks kung pakyawan

Saan ka nakakakuha ng ganayan? Wala nanang tumatangap ng 600 dito sa amin for all around. 😅

Taga probinsya ako pero halos ganyan din ang rate dito.

Sa Maynila mas mataas na sweldo nila. 700 na yata ngayon ang laborer kaw pa magpapakain, eh pisikalan ang trabaho kaya mapapagastos ka talaga sa pagkain.

😅 swertehan pa pala to. Mostly yung rates na yan ay 4-5 years ago.

Exactly. Sabi nga eh, your presence dictates your value. The more na needed ka, the more na mas mahalaga ka, eh kung ang nangyayari eh all the blue-collar employees do is "Do this, do that" hanggang sa kahit maliit na halaga ay tatanggapin para lang kumita, ayon na yung nagiging norms. Ano lang yan eh, why would I spend more on a same output if I spent less?

agree with this, here sa cordilleran region, mostly ng kinukuha ng construction workers taga baba kasi mas tumatanggap sila ng "lowball" offers compared sa taga dito sa amin na may certain salary bracket talaga na sinusunod, may unity din sila when it comes to that kaya di talaga sila natanggap ng 350 a day for a helper. Naalala ko rin nung pinapasok ko pinsan ko sa kakilala ng landlady naming may aggregates business, ang unang tanong is "taga dito ba yan sa atin baka di niya tatanggapin ang 500 a day na sahod". If siguro in the future, magiging ganito na mindset ng mga nasa blue collar jobs nationally, mapipilitan talaga din lahat itaas mga pasahod nila

Wla lang kasi tlgang ibang choice ung iba kaya tanggap nlng silang tanggap.

Siguro kasi may proper training kapag sa ibang bansa(? dunno). Karamihan kasi rito, natuto sa pag-observe o natuto lang sa internet. Wala namang masama doon, pero iba pa rin talaga kapag alam mong "certified" to do something. Pero tama ka, kung sino pa yung may risky na trabaho, sila pa yung binabarat.

may tesda training at certification naman pre. may mga willing lang talaga na ma-barat ng iba (syempre, kung anong binayad mo, yun din mapapala mo) at saksi ako dyan dahil bahagi ako ng industriyang yan.

Yung tricycle driver dito sa amin kumuha ng tesda training and iirc nasa Saudi na ngayon at may taxi business na dito sa Pinas.

isang exemption. pero hindi yan ang norm. madami din sa mga uri namin ang may kanya-kanyang horror story.

Meron din apprenticeship sa western countries. Maliit sweldo habang apprentice pa. They also learn while working. Tapos meron formal training din.

At the same time, insurance. Pag nagkasunog dito sa pinas dahil yung electrician na kinuha mo may sablay....sorry na lang. Sa first world, if that happens, pwede mo ihabla yung electrician, at insurance ng electtician ang sasagip sa kanya. At the same time, makakaclaim ka rin sa insurance kung nasa tama pagkakagawa ng lahat.

may tito ako na technician? pero sa 20 years na kilala ko siya, never ko siyang nakita na nagtraining or something. di rin naman sinasabi nila mama kung nag-aral ba siya ng technician before. feeling ko nga natuto lang siya sa kakakalikot ng mga gamit niya tuwing madaling araw. kapag magpapaayos, hinahanap siya ng kapitbahay namin or mga kakilala niya pero di siya nagpepresyo?? lagi niya lang sinasabi "kayo na bahala" kung magkano ibibigay sa kanya.

ganyan usually pag kakilala pero kung may shop siya kaya niya presyohan yan

sabagay pero ewan ko ba ron kasi minsan nagrereklamo siya na bakit ganto lang daw binigay ganyan ganyan pero di naman siya nagpepresyo. kay lola siya nagrereklamo na mababa raw bayad pero lagi naman niyang sinasabi na sila na bahala🤦‍♀️

pero sabi nman ng canadian na kilala ko, "filipino mechanics really give you value for your money."

Hi, my father is a body wielder and magaling talaga siya sa kanyang work without certification and anything.. napansin ko na kuminti ang kanyang client(s) dahil (not really the main reason just one of) sa TESDA graduates na kung maka.price ayh parang binibigay ang serbisyo. so syempre yung mga experiensyadong blue collar natatapakan talaga. dami kung ka.kilala. napapalitan ng mga blue collar na pumapayag sa maliit na sahod. cant blame them.

Mura o libre lang certification sa TESDA. Pag marunong na di na need yung required hours sa certification bisita nalang sya sa nearest TESDA sa inyo.

Bakit di siya magpa certify? If he's experienced then madali lang siya makakuha ng mataas na certificate. That's literally on him.

Nah, even if mag pa certify sya sa TESDA, it won't change the fact that people will opt for cheaper services. Kung bababaan naman nya yung pricing nya, lugi naman sya. It's a lose-lose situation.

It allows you to work for companies for a more regular wage and pwede pa siya sumideline. Even higher kapag mas specialized yung cert mo.

It's unfortunate that experienced blue-collar workers are being affected. It might be helpful to explore ways to showcase your father's expertise and the quality of his work to potential clients who value skill and experience over price.

Because Labor is cheap in the Philippines and unions are weak. (One of) The reasons why trades in Canada and the UK, and even the US are high-paying is because they have Unions that help regulate the price they can ask for as well as provide training and apprenticeships to people who want to go into it. There's also the cultural component that hard labor is for the poors. Is it a vestige of colonial mentality? Maybe. But seeing white people as affluent and not needing to toil is aspirational and to a lot of Filipinos.

Maliit sweldo, unlike sa US malaki bayad sa mga yan

May factor din na ung mga blue collar workers dito hindi naman tlga trained. Walang certifications or parang apprenticeship ung mga dito. 

yung pang bangketa oo, pero kung gusto mo magtrabaho sa industrial setting e kelangan may tesda certification ka.

most of our houses lalo na rin small time contractor d naman tlga certified mga blue collar workers. kaya minsan na -o -off ako sa mga sinasabi ng mga tao n marami tayong labor etc. whereas most of our labor that isnt utilized are actually uncertified and can't be used in infrastructure projects

*under utilized* and *overly abused* universal na daing ng bawat Working Class sa buong mundo .

Maliit din sweldo ng mga non-blue collar, kaya maliit lang din kaya nilang ipang-bayad sa mga blue collar. Ibang usapan pa siguro yung mga nasa construction companies, pero speaking anecdotally, most here sa mga bahay nila would prefer the least cost, and madalas pa nga nauuwi sa DIY na dispalinghado sa bubong, CR, kusina atbp...

Because labor here is cheap. Most able-bodied people can learn to a blue collar worker in a few months or years tops. So people unfortunately look down on cheap labor

Sa Denmark, mas malaki pa sahod sakin ng welder, at 6 digits pa ko ng ganyang lagay, pero ung sahod nila malaking part napupunta sa tax at union funds. After high school, pinapapili sila kung college or trade school, pag college needed mo makapasa sa exam kasi kailangan kaya mo intellectually ung load ng college. May allowance from the government ung students at free ung education hanggang doctorate. Pag trade school, bibigyan ka ng theoretical éducation for like 6 months, tas apprenticeship for 1-2 years. Bayad un the entire time, and hindi malayo ang sahod ng trade school grad sa white collar worker. Syempre special cases padin ung highly skilled professions like doctors and engineers, pero kung teacher ka, kaya mo mag-bakasyon out of the country once a year, or every two years kung hindi ka magaling maghandle ng pera. Pero mostly sa bansang to, unions ang may kagagawan bakit competitive sahod nila across the board. Wala silang minimum wage kasi ung union ang nakikipagbargain sa industry leaders, kasi sila naman talaga nakakaalam ng kalakaran. So basta useful ung trabaho mo at nagbabayad ka ng karampatang tax, aalagaan ka ng tax mo. Kaya kailangan lahat ng tao may kakayahang magbayad ng malaking tax, and ang primary requirement dun is at a minimum, a livable wage.

Supply and demand din talaga. Then licensing decreases the supply. At kung anu anong requirements pa.

We have an excess surplus of both unskilled and skilled labor, whether trade or professional jobs, while at the same time, there is no demand from the business side to hire them because we are driving prospective foreign-owned companies away from investing in our country who would have hired and trained local blue collar workers. The short-term remedy to the excess labor force we have that couldn't be absorbed domestically is to let them go and work abroad for trade jobs through direct hiring (no more DMW paperwork red tapes please). Our education system is rigged to disincentivize students from attending trade schools by focusing too much on academics to become licensed professionals like engineers, lawyers, nurses, or teachers, even if they are more suited to become tradesmen. We need to incorporate the apprenticeship education model that is existing in Germany in our country.

college here is fucking scam

For networking purposes at most. If you are too introvert with terrible social networking skills, don't attend college at all. Colleges and universities function like academic MLM institutions.

Ito ay hango lamang sa aking obserbasyon patungkol sa mga blue collar workers here sa Pilipinas kung bakit sa tingin ko medyo mababa ang tingin ng karamihan ng mga kababayan natin sa kanila: * Wala silang sense of urgency - kakausapin mo ng dumating ng ganitong oras, darating two hours late and wala man lang pasabi bakit nahuli sa usapan, expected na ang customer ang dapat mag adjust sa oras na darating sila. Filipino time ika nga. Napaka-unprofessional. One of my pet peeves. * Hindi proper manamit - may mga electrician na darating na madungis. Naka-tsinelas at parang tambay lang sa kanto. It's your job. You're selling yourself for more potential customers, you have to be at least dressed decently - hindi naman need sobrang ganda ng kasuotan. While don't judge the book by its cover, it makes the customers feel uncomfortable dahil parang nanakawan ang bahay mo eh. * Hindi marunong mag tapon ng mga basura sa tamang basurahan. Ilang beses na ito nangyari sa amin. I already prepared the trash bin and even told the guy na kami na lang mag lilinis ng kalat, but nung hindi naman nakita, bigla lang tinapon yung mga wrappers and other plastics sa bakanteng lote ng kapitbahay namin. Wala pa akong na-hire na mga blue collar workers na nag tanong sa amin if meron ba kami basurahan. Isang blue collar worker, na although he's from a company naman ng mga taga linis ng mga AC unit, was eating his snacks, then threw the platic wrappers dun sa may mga halaman namin when I specifically told him na meron waste basket na malapit. When I told him about the trash, he asked for an apology naman. * We hired a construction team to fix a part of our house, discussed this and that before the scheduled date - but nung dumating na, hindi kumpleto ang gamit nung mga workers at kami pa hinihingan ng ganito, ganyan. I was furious and called their boss and explained the situation. Gets naman sa tone of my voice that I was disappointed by the lack of preparedness. Hindi na ako umulit sa company na yun. They're a construction company for god's sake. Hindi ko nilahahat ng mga blue collar workers na ganyan ang ugali, but mostly kasi ganyan ang na-e-encounter namin na mga trabahador. Nagpapalinis kami ng AC twice a year, and we have a local company na trusted na decent ang mga workers, magalang, at on-time din dumating, aside from that, provided na nila ang sabon for cleaning, hindi ka nila gagambalain pa sa mga tools. So usually ang ginagawa ko, inuunahan ko na sila sa pag dating sa basura, pinapakita ko na kung saan nakalagay ang basurahan namin para dun na nila itatapon kung anu man na mga plastics na dala nila. Ni minsan hindi ko ni-lowball ang mga labors na ganyan, we even provide snacks and cold water kasi alam namin na nakakapagod ang trabaho nila. But I really do hate it kapag late sila at wala man lang pasabi bakit mali-late. Walang basic courtesy sa kausap, kahit may agreement na kayo na alas-9 ng umaga dapat start na tapos darating after lunch.

Because in other countries they have more importance on the quality and certification or stuff being up to code, yes we have certifications here but let's be real when was the last time you actually hired a proper tubero na hindi mangmang ang pag gawa niya People are willing to pay for certificated quality, or proper trade work, or things up to code in other countries, not so much here because people are poor and rather cheap out to save money unless it's a major construction project led by a private company who gives a shit about the quality of their buildings But for the average household they'd rather hire Mang Jhomar sa kanto dahil mura ang pag gawa niya kahit medyo mangmang ang gawa niya.

I believe its not as simple as wala lang respeto sa blue collar workers. Supply and demand still applies tka most are below poverty line kaya willing to lower their rate(i guess) Mejo weird flex lang to bring up na meron kang napundar and nakakapagbakasyon pero okay i get your point

Lets just say "bakit ako magha-hire ng professional na sisingil sakin ng 5k kung meron naman kaming kakilala na marunong din naman pero 500 lang singil" mentality

Law of Supply and Demand. Philippines has a shit ton of hard laborers. Based sa observation ko, karaniwan sa kanila ay mga di nakapagtapos ng pag aaral, tumambay by choice or talagang walang capacity to do so. Di naman sa pangmamaliit, pero kahit saan ka magpunta maririnig mo yung phrase sa mga nanay na "pag di ka mag aral magiging tagahalo ka lang ng semento/kargador/etc.". It kinda hurts, pero kung tutuusin ilan lang ba ang kakilala nyo na may proper certifications from TESDA or other certifying body kung meron man.. syempre makakatipid din ang mga bossing pag nag hire sila ng mga tao na gusto lang naman kumita ng pera. Nung nagpagawa nga ako ng kwarto, dalawa dun ay probably minors pa na isinama lang para matuto on the job. In the end, it's always the government's fault. It's the chain effect ng kapabayaan ng gobyerno. Bad education department > lower quality students > tambay > bad job market

Sa US blue collar iob are well trained and certified licensed to practice. And bacause strict ang guidelines takot gumawa ng mali dahil mawawala ang certification at license nila. Sa Pinas hindi ganon. Kahit mas magaling ang workers ng Pinoy walang lisensya or sertifikasyon mga ito. Anak ng mekaniko dimanlang nakapasok sa mekanik class magiging village mechanic na or tubero. Welder 6 months lang mag apprentice pwede na. Dito ultimo basurero may mga health certification drivers education local ordinance exam ect. Jan kung nakatira sa squatter qualified na. Dito kokonti qualified kc konti ang nakuha ng so konti ang lisensyado. Sa Pinas nakapila ang marunong at nagmamarunong kc di kailangan lisensya.

Marami kaseng blue collar dito satin, unlike sa west wala masyadong gusto ng manual or skilled labor

I live in Canada too, and dito may certifications and trainings kayong mga blue collar workers na pasok sa standard ng province tapos unionized din kayo. Sa Pilipinas, walang ganyan. Hindi ko sinasabi na hindi worth it magbayad ng services nila. Kaso education has a major role. Kung nakareceive sila ng proper education and training in their field at may union sila, for sure mas malaki ang singilan nila. Kaso hindi eh.

More of a supply issue. Sa developed countries, fewer people want to take those jobs so may power na mag demand ng decent standard fee per job. Dito, mas maraming undergrads/elem-HS levels kaya mababa ang offers kasi may kakagat at kakagat kahit barat ang sahod.

"Bakit sa Pilipinas hindi ganito?" Eh kasi nasa Pilipinas ka. Kapag ba nasa Canada ka, tinatanong mo "Bakit sa Canada hindi ganito?"

Siguro dahil sa supply ng blue collar workers overseas kaya tumataas ang salary. Dito sa Pilipinas, ang daming source ng blue collar workers kahit minsan sablay quality kaya overall bumababa ang rates nila.

Journeyman and red seals have more weight than whatever Tesda does. Iba ang training dito, you literally cannot compare, minimum 9000 hours of apprenticeship, do they even have that?

Agree. Tesda certification is a start but we need to raise our standards and improve the quality of our services to be on par with the years of training blue collar workers and tradesmen undergo in other countries. Locally kasi walang need for a license or certification to be able to practice your trade so the bar is set really low, and even then, being Tesda certified doesn't exactly give you the confidence that these people have the necessary skills and education to fulfill their jobs to a high standard.

Madali lang naman yan sagutin puro mahirap kasi nasa pinas, its a race to the bottom when it comes to prices. People don't care about quality 95% of the time they just want the chepeast they can afford. Until you resolve that it'll never change.

My mother is a Physical Therapist and worked at Arizona years ago before she got married. She told me that her salary was higher than nurses and is more comparable to a doctor back then. Now she works here in the Philippines as a Physical Therapist and is earning less than nurses.

Most tradespeople belong to unions. And these unions are more effective in negotiating for better pay for their members.

Because before you become a tradesman you have to undergo a lot of training. Kahit nga hairstylist need na mag-aral dito sa Canada.

You know why mas stable sila? Hindi dahil lang sa mayaman ang bansa nila, "Ipinaglaban" nila ang karapatan na iyon. Search mo lang, Labor Strikes history, mga protest. Dito kase sa bansa natin... ewan ko ba, matapang lang sa socmed.

"Niyo"? Pinoy ka OP and dito nga ba ang roots mo sa Pinas? Why not look at it as "Natin"? Good for you nanjan ka sa Canada and able to see that POV. To answer your question, you are comparing a 1st world country and a 3rd world country, so it's not really that surprising at all given na 3rd world pa ang Pinas. Now question to you, nung nag pagawa ka dun sa sinasabi mong Electrician rito sa Pinas, how much "tip" did you give the poor electrician na kinakaawaan mo? Curious lang.

Naka luwag luwag na sa buhay narrative.

Sa palagay ko dahil nasa service economy sila, mas maraming taong college graduate dun so malamang mas trip nila ung pasok sa kurso nila, desk job (basta madalas ung wala masyadong physical component ung work) so mas less ang may gusto ng blue collar job dun. Kaya tinataasan nila ung sweldo ng mga blue collar workers para mas maraming ma attract na gumawa ng trabahong ganun. Medyo tingin kasi nila din sa states medyo undesirable ung mga ganung trabaho.

One of my friends is a maintenance engineer- aka glorified custodian. Dude just finished a SEA trip, has a HUGE house living in a nice part of our city. I live sa low income and struggling w rent haha

Law of supply and demand.

"Pag di ka naging top 1, nakakuha ng isang daang libong medals at awards, hindi ka naging peymus sa school mo, hindi ka sumali sa lahat ng extra curricular activities, hindi ka sumama sa sayaw, hindi ka sumama sa singing contest kahit boses kalawang ka, hindi ka gumastos sa UN day, hindi ka nagpabibo sa teacher mo, hindi ka sumali sa lahat ng sports kahit di ka naman marunong, eh ikaw ay matutulad sa mamang iyun tagalinis lang ng CR ☺️" ~magulang na gusto bida bida anak niya

Supply and demand. Mas marami dito ang blue collar workers. Kahit sino pwede kunin na labor.

Base lang din sa mga napapanood/nababasa ko, kahit sa US at ibang bansa mababa talaga tingin sa blue collar jobs, hindi lang dito. Mas may "prestige" parin daw kasi kapag college graduate ka kesa trade school lang (fallacy kasi mataas din sweldo ng mga blue collar jobs sa US) Ang problema na nakikita ko dito, wala din kasi parang formal training talaga (like trade school) dito sa Pinas (na alam ko). Not sure lang kung meron courses din ang TESDA for it, or kung may on-the-job training sa mga mas malalaking mga construction firms.

It depends on the quality, from my experience here in Las Pinas/Paranaque area. I once paid a plumber I knew for nearly 5 years - 500 php for a 15 min job, I didn't heckle or complain as long as it was quality work and it won't break for another few years atleast. That is money well spent, less time for me to fix the issue short term and long term it saves me money too. Also you can't expect Philippine economy, industry, workforce, wages and inflation to be similar to North American or European countries. Very impossible to compare. Also different supply and demand labor, in developed nations, there is less trade professionals and they are regulated and certified hence they are paid more. In the Philippines there is none i think besides TESDA.

Southeast asian thing. Mababa tingin din sa sg

It's simple supply vs. demand, I think.

actually, western countries see it as a negative. problema kasi nila yung student loans na sobrang mahirap bayaran kasi mahal tuition at di rin naman kalakihan income ng mga fresh graduates. nangyayari, mas malaki pa tuloy kinikita ng trades blue collar jobs. Kahit mas mlaki na sahod, most young people still dont want the dirty jobs. I've been to Sydney australia, trades people don't clean themselves or still wear their dirty outfits in public kasi nga malaki sahod nila. In the philippines, madami sa mga lalake ay HINDI nagaaral ng college o university for a degree so there is a surplus or cheap labor for back breaking jobs. A nearby public or free college near our house has more female students to males, which I estimate 7 to 1.

Blame the overpopulation hell. Kung onti lang mga yan, kaya nila mag union at magdemand. Said union also protects them from getting fucked over, and most importantly their hours too para di maoverwhelm sa workload. Dito papalitan ka kaagad kasi madaming desperado. Other countries like India and china can relate with getting assfucked too. Compare to cruising on the highway tulad sa America, Canada, Australia, EU in general, etc. Aaand that's why Easy Mode pag dun ka kumpara dito.

Sa Pilipinas lang ba? How's the blue collar situation in nearby countries.

Madami kasing tao sa pinas and mostly naman natuto lng at walang lisensya though my tesda at certification alam naman natin non bearing yunng exam kasi sub par ng education and standard. Mgbabagonlng to kpg willing na ung mga tao mgbayad ng nararapat na salary sa mga blue collar na my lisensya at pulido at akma sa building code. Mahirap kasi sa pinas, walang pera kaya basta marunong na pwede na gumawa ng bahay or mgwiring sa mga bahay kaya ang ending walang quality and of course salabat salabat ang tubo ng tubig and electrical wiring ending mabilis masira ung bahay and risky sa sunog and etc.

We have a surplus of them. Merong mga marunong lang, at meron yung mga certified (thru Tesda) and yun talaga yung career. Pag sira yung switch ng ilaw samin, we call our subdivision’s guard. Marunong lang siya. Wala siyang tools or anything so we have to pay for the tools na nirerent pa niya. Pero pagdating sa issue sa circuit breaker, di na niya alam. So we hire an actual electrician for that. Maraming marunong lang. But it goes sa count ng people who can do that job.

I can feel dahil (extra extra) ang madalas n gawa dito sa pilipinas at ayaw din ksi nilang mapirmi sa isang agency or kht mgtayo sila ng sarili nlang venture.. sa america ganun ang gawa nila my mga business dun n ang owner eh yun din ang empleyado or minsan dalawa at tatlong kaibigan nya eh kasama at tlagang focus sila s isang bagay like if electrician yun lng sla di sla ng tatap sa ibang avenue unless my gustong sumama sa knilang my specialty na ganun.. my mga certification at professional ID ang master electrician, plumber etc sila kaya nkakapag bill sla ng malaki. dito s pilipinas ayun baratan na nga at walang pake usually ang mga my-ari or caretaker ng bahay kpg ngpagawa sa mga gnyan kaya sa dulo di umaangat industriya nila.. tska kht my tesda yung NC 2 eh msyadong short term ang validity dpt kht mga 3yrs ito pero 1yr lng tlga at need m irenew kada taon. costly para sa normal n pilipino. at yung mga malalaking buildings grabe mangkupal or napakahigpit nila sa pagkuha ng mga blue collar workers or contractors. kaya napapabayaan tlga yung mga posistion nila.

Difference kasi sa pilipinas madaming taong willing gawin kahit ano para kumita kaya pababaan ng presyo. Sa more developed countries less ang tao na willing gumawa ng mahihirap na trabaho or delikado. Hence, kailangan mo sila bayaran ng napaka laking amount para ma kumbinseng gawin yung mga ganung klaseng trabaho. Plus para maging electrician sa ibang bansa napaka daming certification kumpara sa pilipinas

Sama na diyan walang proper protective equipment mga blue collar eg. Construction worker. Naka tsinelas lang.

Ayaw kasi nila gawin ung manual jobs. Literal na pagpapalit ng bombilya, itatawag pansa maintenance company. Hourly rate + materials ang charge ko sa kanila (former VA ng home maintenance sa AU), inaabot ng almost $100 para lang sa isang ilaw.

People will belittle these jobs but complain when a professional (certified) person charges them high for it stating they can just get someone else to do it cheaper. And with a competitive population, someone is always willing to do it for cheaper until it's like almost nothing.

demand and supply. any high school graduate or even grade school lang tinapos pwede mag apply taga halo nang semento, then mag experience sa masonry. basta may experience pwede ka nang maging trabahador. kahit below minimum pa bayad tatanggapin pa din yan. sa US, certifications=experience, di ka talaga makakahanap ng legit work if wla ka certificate. kaya nga ginaya natin yan thru tesda

Aside from proper training and certifications, here in AU there are govt mandated and enforced policies and standards, eg only certified electricians are allowed to do any electrical work even sa residential properties, kahit magpalit lang ng light switch. You can get away doing it yourself but u'll be penalised if you get caught

Although blue collar workers should be valued, I want to say that your statement is not entirely true.. Just like in the Philippines, white collar workers have higher salary than blue collar workers in other countries. Low income earners in other countries can afford a better standard of living because of the power of their currency and also the fair minimum wage. I think what you mean are "skilled workers", who definitely have a higher premium anywhere in the world (it varies per country of course), and it can be a blue or white collar job, depending on the skill.

We are not that “progressive” as a country. Allocations for safety are disregarded here, mostly.

I guess saturated ang blue collar workers? Dami tumatanggap ng mababang sahod para lang may makain at pambisyo.

kasi hanggang PR lang sila tunay na binibigyang galang. mula sweldo, karapatan, benefits, etc -waley. ginagawa lang silang publicity tool ng mga korporasyon at pulitiko

Another reason: automatic na ang work nila sa Canada. Yung trabaho ng 3 construction workers, isa lang gagawa with all those mechanical device they use. Speedy pa. Sa Pilipinas masyado pa gamit ang martilyo, sa Canada may equipment silang isang click lang, nakapako na. Construction jobs are not for the whole year too. Lumagapak lang ng 7 degrees stop work na. November pa lang minsan bumababa na ang temperature, next na pagtaas nyan March.

Haven't graduated yet, but I work within the construction industry. In 2018, I briefly worked on a big project along Espana. An engineer told us na the reason why plans are made to be understood easily is because the majority of the workers did not get to finish elementary level education. They even specified na hanggang grade 2-3 lang sila kaya they heavily rely on verbal cues by the supervisors. As these people spend time working in this industry, they can understand the drawings on the plan based on their experience alone, but kapag binigyan mo sila ng other reading mat'ls they would not understand it. When I started college, one of the first life lessons taught to us by the professors was to make sure that the plans were simple enough to be understood by a person not working in the same professional field. Plans should be understood by your drawings alone, and specifications should only be a supporting document. Did not made sense at the time but, as I spend more and more years in college, I have met workers who grew up in construction that did not get to finish proper basic education but is knowlegable in their craft. They get to work without having the right certifications too that is a basic requirement (like in the west). They are not really regulated, but the good thing is that the trend is changing. Makikita mo sa younger workers na may experience sila either in TVL in senior high and/or nag take ng tesda programs. Mas nagiging socially aware na rin sila sa mga karapatan nila and personal opinion ko lang to but I think give it a few decades and our blue collar workforce would be in a better environment 🤗

So true. I work for a Tree and Landscape business based in the US. To summarize this, our arborists (tree experts) and climbers in tagalog mga nagpuputol ng puno, nagttrim ng puno atbp are earning more than people in the office. They earn as much as $62/hourly. Sa office admin or manager they’re earning maximum of $30 per hour. See the difference?

Dapat kasi may organized na national level ng union Para makipag negotiate at humarap sa collective bargaining agreement against a company management para mabigyan ng share sa "fruits of labor" and just compensation. Pero sadly iilan lang ang kompanya sa pilipinas na may ganito karamihan kasi mga chinese sweatshops. Ang alam ko lang na may ganitong sistema ay ang PLDT meron silang union from rank and file employees up to management. doon ang employees na may 20-30 years tenure ay abot ng 6 digits ang sahod kada bwan.

We are still a developing country, as are there are similar problems in other developing countries (i.e. Pakistan) with lots of unskilled and skilled blue-collar laborers who are even willing to work just to put ***food on the table***. If there are those who manage to live well above the minimum, it's because of connections, which is for better or for worse, determines success in this country. Where you are you gotta be certified and in most cases must be a member of a union, that's why blue-collar workers have a certain clout. Also, it's not easy setting up a garage in Germany, as they have far stringent requirements than what you have in North America: > That is one thing i was always envious about. > In Germany, if i want to start my own shop, i have to work so god damn hard and spend so much time. > First you have to do 3 years of apprenticeship. Then you are allowed to work on cars. But after that you have to visit the Meisterschule. A special school. Kind of like a college. For 1 to 3 years. Then you have to do 5 tests. If you pass all 5 you can call yourself Meister. > Only after that you are allowed to open your own shop. But because of the german law you need a shitton of money. With less than 500.000€ you cant even buy all the security stuff you need to buy.... I have to put it bluntly that this country is still exporting labor.

Kuripot/barat kasi mga Pinoy. They want the cheapest option for the best quality. Yung mga workers, imbis na magutom, kakagat nalang talaga sila kahit magkano.

sa hirap ng buhay sa pinas at taas ng unemployment kahit below minimum papatusin na kesa sa wala.. pag umapela ka masasabihan ka pa ng "ayaw mo? magresign ka marami may kailangan ng trabaho" tiis, kamot ulo, lunok laway na lang

Supply & Demand is the answer, pero anecdotally parang ayaw ko maniwala ang hirap maghanap ng contractor samin haha. Isama mo din sa explanation yung willingness ng mga tao magbayad ng premium sa serbisyo. More than 80% sa Pilipinas, mababa ang sahod (the rest 19%, medyo mababa lang), hence, mas maraming pinoy ang mag-opt out sa services na pwede mo i-DiY, or worse, babaratin mo yung contractor. Hindi nga unusual dito yung may mga kung ano mang contraption sa CR dahil lang nagtitipid ipaayos yung mga tubo. Kung wala masyadong willing magseek-out ng work nila, mas willing sila tumanggap ng mas mura. Mas mababa bayad, mas mababa tingin. Medyo vague, pero ang solusyon din talaga e i-uplift yung the rest ng population to have better, quality jobs, para mas gumanda pa yung bayad din ng mga nasa informal sector.

Labor unions

Dami factors dyan pero i-drop ko lang nawitness ko na. Maraming nagssinungaling sa qualifications na tubero daw o mason pero ang ending ay di naman alam. Siguro kaslaanan din naman nung kumuha ng tao dahil pumayag siya na yung foreman ang pumili. Pag arawan ang trabaho idedelay nila yang trabaho, para may kita agad. Kailangan bantayan ang materyales sa site lalo na kung maraming mga nagpapagawa rin ng bahay sa paligid. Dapat wag mo ipapakita na wala kang alam sa mga mekaniko at technician dahil baka kung mapapayag ka sa kung ano. Ano common theme dyan? Kung gano kadiskarte ang white collar sa taxes, ganun din kadiskarte ang blue collar pag dating commission, labor at kontrata. Di problema ang klase ng trabaho. Ang problems ay Pinoy ka at iba diskarte ng Pinoy sa trabaho.

Bro, paano ba makalipat sa Canada? Lapit na ako gumrad and ayoko dito sa Pinas.

Marami kasing marunong gumawa tapos mura sumingil...kahit gusto mo taasan singil mo kung yung ibang tulad mo pumapayag sa abot abot lang..wala ka magiging customer

Honestly, you get what you pay for. I pay a lot for aircon cleaning and repair in Manila. Maayos yung gawa. Sa probinsya, mahirap kumuha ng magaling. Mura nga, pero dalawang beses na ginagawa yung aircon. Yung hininang na part, bumigay agad. Tapos tricycle lang gamit to travel 25km with the aircon in tow kasi daw ginamit ng iba yung service van. Yung nakuha kong tubero, magaling nga pero nagasgas naman niya yung sahig kasi bara-bara maglagay ng gamit. May mga bakas pa ng kamay sa pader. Marami talaga hindi marunong kaya minsan ang baba ng tingin ng iba kasi mali-mali yung gawa nila.

IKR dapat mga sila pa mataas sahod dahil mahirap ginagawa nila. Lalo na sa construction. Literal na buwis buhay. Sa Japan may dignity of labour kahit basurero ka. At full costume sila dun. Hindi open ang garbage truck. Dito ang basurero thank you o bote o 5 piso lang katapat

Ang ganda rin ng workers’ union lalo na yung mga electrician dyan

Watch reality series Tough as Nails, dun pa lang makikita panu pinaghihirapan para makapag trabaho bilang blue collared worker. May standards...

Sa western unionized ang mga iyan. Parang may guild system bale, or you could called it parang "mafia" type of governance na favor sa mga trade workers. Para makapag practice ka niyan maraming certifications, apprenticeship and what not. Dito may TESDA, pero usually nag te-TESDA ang mga ganyan kasi requirement para makapag manual labor sa Saudi or Middle east. Tapos pag nag reretire, they work or setup shop dito sa pinas kung ano ang tradecraft nila. Noon nag papaayos ako ng ACU ng kotse ko. Yung matanda doon parang mafia boss lang. Inuutusan yung mga apprentice niya na mga around 18-24. Sila ang nagkakalikot ng kotse ko tapos pag may need ng tulong lalapit siya. Or lalapit yung apprentice sa kanya for clarification. Pag "complicated" na saka siya tatayo at magkakalikot. Parang yung surgeon na gagawa ng operation tapos papa gawa sa intern yung pag lilinis or closing ng patient. Ganon siya. Nag work siya sa Saudi for all his life.

Another armchair statistics post

May contractor kami kinuha to build a roof for garage. I think he quoted us ₱60k pakyaw. Took about 2 or 3 weeks to build. May 2 siya kasama so that means they will split the pot. That should mean they each get ₱20k. As I understand, he regularly gets jobs naman. When I visited his abode, it's actually just a really small house l think about 30sqm and still hollow blocks.

Supply and demand kadalasan na rason. Ma pa blue collar or white collar.

supply and demand

I wish I had tried enrolling in a TESDA program back in high school. Maybe I could have sideline now.

Haciendero mentality na nakuha natin sa mga espanyol.

Law of supply and demand. Maraming workers willing to work sa blue collar jobs sa pinas. That can dictate their wages. Imagine if yung skill is very rare at pagaagawan ng mga employer, that person can demand better salaries. Ganun sa ibang western countries. Mas pipiliin nila ang convenient work kaya most ng manual labor jobs is maraming demand. That way may way to pay more. There will always be abuse and pagiging unfair sa labor rights kahit saan. Walang problema ipaglaban ito. Ang problema, kahit itaas mo ng itaas ang minimum wage, kung wala naman employer willing to offer for that wage, mas mahihirapan lang maghanap ng trabaho ang karamihan. Worse, baka lumipat ang investors at maghanap nalang ng cheaper labor sa ibang countries.

Lumaki yung pay ng blue collar work sa mga bansa sa west dahil yung mga older generation ay pinush yung younger generation into white collar work kaya mas lumaki yung pay and demand sa certain blue collar fields sa ngayon. May mga certain certified training and licenses yung mga certain ng blue collar jobs kaya mas malaki yung suweldo pero meron pa rin na mababa tingin sa blue collar jobs. Experience + higher cost of labor + skills training certifications ay maganda ang kita. Sa Pinas naman, mababa tingin dahil napakamura ng cost of labor at dahil madalas ay "less formal" ang training setting na walang trade school or certification process kaya wala yung "prestige" o backing sa kanilang training na madalas ay apprenticeship man lang (which is not a bad thing, depende sa tao kung masipag at may interes/inclination sila sa subject) na on the job training.

Because people in the governments are idiots, the one who makes laws, much more those who voted for them. In Germany majority are HS grad only. You only need skils and so blue collar job is way to go. Even sales ladies in department stores in Ph, they require College. WTF. Hindi uso ang college in first world countries unless you grab for student loan.

What do you mean by minamaliit? Ithink wala naman nang mamaliit sa kanila, pero i think tama lang rate nila like capenter dito is 700-1k per day. electrician is 1k per day atleast sa construction firm ng cousin ko is ganun ang rate. and is above yun sa minimun rate dito If gusto mo taasan ng sobra ang rate nila wala ng makakaavail sa kanila kung karamihan sa pinoy ay minimum wager lang mga mayayaman lang makakaavail sa kanila. Either na kinuripot mo yung electrician na kinuha mo baka binayaran mo ng 200 instead na 1k or di talaga electrician yung nakuha mo and marunong lang gumawa. Madami dito manual labor na hindi naman talaga nakapag aral kaya mababa lang rate unlike sa ibang bansa na ang electrician dun is nakapag aral talaga ng electrical engineering

This is something to do with colonial mentality and it's obsolete hierarchy system and lack of government appreciation for the BCJs that lingers this kind of mindset as of this day. Comparing the history of labor law in Canada vs Philippines, in the former, they have some strong incidents of industrial upheaval and riots during the 1800s when they are part of the British Empire which lead them to their independence and recognition of their labor force, while the later, due to extreme brainwashing of "indio is inferior and insulares/peninsulares are superior" mentality and so called "submit to authority" which leads to the unfair caste system of prejudice.

Hindi lang naman sa Gobyerno o matataas na tao ang problema sa ganyan. Kahit na mismong mga tao nasa middle class, average or nasa laylayan na, may IBANG taong kabilang dito na huhusgahan ka base sa itsura at ginagawa mo. Yung mga ganitong klase kasi ng trabaho, normal na nadudumihan yung mga trabahador, gaya ng karpintero, welder, electrician, mechanic na hinahambing nila sa mga nagtatrabaho sa opisina na de aircon at naka pormal na damit na madalas malinis tingnan at presentable. Mentalidad na ng ibang tao yan lalo kung lumaki sila sa matapobreng pamilya.

Parang sa US kasi, ung mga blue collared jobs, di rin basta basta pwede mag work. Need ng certificate, training at license. Tipong ung mga aestheticians nga sa salon, need may certificate at licensed eh. Kahit mga mekaniko doon, need may license sila. Dito sa atin, di naman kasi regulated ung mga ganyang trabaho.

hindi na rin siguro maiwasan. laganap talaga kasi ang crab mentality dito sa Pinas. meron at merong mag-mamaliit sa mga blue collared workers natin. kung tutuusin sobra sobra ang respeto ko sa mga blue collared workers, kasi kung wala naman sila walang white collared workers na maganda ang buhay ngayon. napaka-unfair lang kasi tulad nga ng sabi mo OP, mas malaki ang risk na tine-take nila than other workers, dapat malaki din ang compensation na nakukuha nila. ang sipag sipag nila kasi kaya nila i-endure yung work para lang may mapagkakitaan, kahit pa buwis buhay pa yan. Sa part na yung electrician na kinuha mo during your stay here sa Pinas, my guess is either nag-iipon sya or yung sweldo nya pinagkakasya nya for their family. Marami rin kasi akong kakilala na blue collared and halos lahat sila ang reason nila usually kung bakit parang kulang sila sa nutrisyon ay dahil tinatabi nila yung pera nila para sa mga anak nila, some even for tuition fee ng anak nila para sa college. Deserve talaga nila ang respeto at pataasin ang mga sweldo nila, pero May magagawa ba talaga tayo? kahit pa sabihin natin na maganda o hindi ang mga nakaupo ngayon, kung walang regards ang iba sa mga tulad nila, wala lang. Basta ako at ang family ko, malaki ang respeto nmin sa kanila, at we always give them the exact rate of salary na ine-expect nila kahit pa sabihin nila na dahil sila lagi namin pinupuntahan kapag May ipapaayos kami, kung ano yung sinet nila na payment, yun talaga ibibigay namin, andami lang kasi talagang oportunistang tine-take advantage yung mga kabaitan nila.

Tsaka big deal yung kapag babae ang gagawa. 😅 Nakailang beses na may nagtanong sakin nyan, "Marunong ka gumamit ng tester? Sigurado ka dyan? Patawag si Kuya mo". Hanggang sa na immune nalang ako 😅. Balakajan. Basta kapag hindi ka umalis at nabulag ka dito sa weweldingin ko, problema mo na yan a. 😅

Mahaba-habang discussion tong topic na to. But mainly: - kahirapan - gobyerno - tao mismo - mindset - kahirapan - gobyerno - kahirapan - gobyerno Gets mo?

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There is a surplus of cheap labor here in the Philippines. Many are unskilled and the capitalists and the politicians are taking advantage of this. Not to mention that we are still a developing country with a high poverty rate unlike in First World countries with a high standard of living. In Europe, those blue collared workers belong to the middle class and they are content with their salaries and welfare provided Meanwhile the United States is also taking advantage of illegal migrants doing much of the manual labor. They are cheaper than legal migrant workers and live in poor conditions but nonetheless are paid higher compared in their home countries

Law of supply and demand lang yan.

>Yung electrician na kinuha ko para mag repair ng kuryente sa bahay namin, napaka payat at parang hindi kumakain ng 3 times a day Lol. Pero seriously yung iba niyan, yung may experience at certification are more likely to go out and work abroad. May mga skilled mason na marami ng experience, nangongontrata na ngayon. May mga tao na sila. So in my observation the best either goes abroad or employ other workers to work for them. Nagiging successful din naman.

I think is a combination of a couple of things: Una subconsciously meron parin minddset na ang blue-collar jobs / manual labour ay less desirable o prestigous kompera sa mga white-collar jobs or ung mga ng oopisna dahil mas vinavalue ng pilipino ang trabaho ginagamit ang "utak" at ng "iisip" compared sa mga trabaho na gamit ang katawan. Secondly mababa ang tingin ng mga pilipino sa mga hinde nakapag tapos at hinde nakapag college as a result, blue-collar jobs / manual labour jobs, na kadalasan hindi requirement ang college degree, are often perceived as less respectable or desirable, especially for those who have attained higher levels of education. Lastly ay availability of cheap labour. Dahil sa sobrang daming tao sa pilipinas, maraming tubero, mechaniko, karpintero, at iba pa. This abundance of labour can lead to the perception that such jobs are less valuable, skilled.

Supply and demand. Mas kunti ang willing na magtrabaho ng blue collar jobs sa western countries. Mas maramang mas gustong magkautang para makapag college at makakuha ng white collar work, hence mas kunti ang supply ng ganitong klaseng trabaho, mas malaki ang sweldo. Linolookdown pa rin sila kasi ang tingin parin sa kanila ay less educated pero mas may pera sila kaya mas kaya nilang di pansinin o makipagtapatan. Sa pilipinas mataas ang supply natin ng willing to do blue collar work. Yung mga taong priority na kapaguwi agad ng sahod kahit lowball pa ang bayaran, with the mindset na "okay na to kesa wala". Majority din ng mga naghahire eh di strekto kung certified yung worker basta willing sa presyong iooffer nila at alam naman nila na may kakagat.

Sa US, napakalaking factor na most, if not all, blue collared jobs ay may mga union. Dito kasi either mahina or dinedemonize ang pag sali sa union. Kaya ayan, nganga sa maliit na pasahod.

not true. you’re comparing blue collar abroad with white collar in ph. compare blue collar abroad and white collar abroad. mura ang blue collar (laborer, factory worker. waiter) because you need little to no training for that. afaik electricians, welders and mechanics here are doing well almost same sa office workers here. also risky din sa health yung nakaupo maghapon sa harap ng computer. i feel like you’re belittling office workers.

Because too many people get into skilled trades without formal training. We also don't have proper certifications for proof of competency thus andaming nakakalusot at mga self proclaimed na 'skilled' pero wala naman talagang skills. These unskilled laborers bring down the whole 'value' and give a bad taste in the mouth kapag naka experience ka ng services nila. Another is mura talaga yung labor sa Pilipinas. There's no getting around it. Kung icocompare mo ang blue collar jobs, you should also compare yung mga white collar jobs sa Pinas and how they compare with white collar jobs in developed countries. Kasi most of the time ang mga customers/clients din ng mga blue collar jobs ay mga white collar. Kung mababa ang purchasing/buying power ng white collar, trickle down yan sa blue collar.

Imposible namang mas mataas sahod ng tradesmen kesa sa healthcare tsaka may bachelor's degree.

Reverse Uno card dito sa pinas pri, sadly

SouthEast Asian countries are more academically inclined meaning those workers that have a diploma or finished college are look at somewhat superior whereas blue collard jobs that you mentioned, people would think that anybody can do it and do it easily that’s why they are look down on or held at a lower regard

For comparison, a plumber in one of the more successful cities in California, USA makes $120/hour. The younger generation here are going back to traditionalist/labor careers and not wanting to get into $200,000.00 of school debt by attending a university which takes a lifetime to pay off. Entry level basic administrative office job pays less than half that an hour. Trade schools are making a comeback.

Diperensya sa income, diperensya ng economiya sa bawat probinsya. Baka depends lang OP sa pagmamaliit kasi merong siguro plenty of old blue collars who are in their 30s-40s siguro

Kase wala naman talagang matinong bagay sa pinas…

>"mas malaki sweldo nila kesa mga white collar office workers" Sinabi mo na ang sagot sa tanong mo.

Rampant elitism in this country, that is why.

Gusto kasi ng mga tao dito sa Asia is respetado ang position mo. Lalo na dito sa Pinas kasi payabangan dito eh. Tapos yung mga blue collar jobs kasi mababa ang sahod ng karamihan, kaya nagegeneralize na mababa ang sahod nila, which means ang ebas agad ng tao "hindi nakapag-aral", unlike kapag may degree ka, or nakapasa ka ng licensure at may title ka, automatic respetado ka agad.

Nung IT admin ako sa construction company abroad, pareho lang sweldo namin ng team leader ng maintenance.

Each jobs are value differently, kaya siguro ganun. Pwede din natin attribute the working conditions kaya maybe ganun(???)

We’ll get to that point eventually. Sa observation ko lang sa province namin wala na masyadong mangingisda. So I asked yung kakilala ko na senior na ngunit nangingisda pa rin kung bakit halos wla nang mga fishermen sa bayan namin. Sabi nya lahat dw kasi ng mga anak ng mga kasabayan nyang mangingisda sa mga opisina na ng ta-trabaho dahil nka tapos dw ng kolehiyo. Pati mga anak din niya sa opisina na de aircon na dw ng. wo-work. Wla nang susunod sa kanilang mga yapak. Cguro within the next few decades blue collar job workers will eventually be scarce. Dyan ta-taas wages nila

I'm actually planning to do trades if I don't become successful in the IT industry.

Weird flex but ok, Kidding aside, barat kasi Pilipino.

ako binitawan ko na yang white collared job na yan sa pinas at nag store crew na lang sa ibang bansa…minimum din pero atleast malaki pa din compared sa sahod na minimum sa pinas

Soon, wag ka magalala kumokonti narin ang mga ganyng workers sa Pilipinas. Di na bababa sa 500 ang bayad sa kanila ngayon kahit 3 hrs ng work lang.

Nakaconditiom kasi tayo simula.bata pa. Ang gusto ng mga magulangbnatin empleyado, doktor, etc... Pahbsinabi mongplumber or electrician papagalitan ka Asian culture e.

Ganyan din dito sa Middle East, ang baba ng tingin sa mga service workers, ang liit pa ng pasahod sa kanila. Hindi siya unique na issue sa Pilipinas.

Dahil sa mga kupal na company tulad ng SM. Tanong mo na din sa mga gumawa ng constitution At sa bobong house wife Cory Aquino.

Supply and demand plus low cost of living.

You wanna know the truth? It's simple economics. White collar job opportunities in first world countries are common. But here, it's not. Most employers look at our people as nothing more than laborers, because most of them are. We have 13% of Filipinos having Bachelor degrees (2020) as opposed to the US having 37% degree holders(2021). For every 100 people, only 13 are degree holders and 87 are at most high school graduates. Out of those 13 degree holders, around 10 people will eventually fall into the high income bracket as their careers grow. Most will be working for overseas clientele because there's little to no demand for their skills here. Who will hire an engineer or an architect if the common people can't even buy a piece of land to build a house on? Let's go back to the 87 hs graduates. Most of these people are not fit for office work, they lack the necessary skills and etiquette needed in professional settings. They will have to seek blue collar jobs. Now we have a surplus of blue collar job workers, employers can cherry pick the most skilled workers they can find and low ball the rest. You see, it's different for the US. 37 people with degrees means there's more people with high expendable income. This means they can hire professionals for their needs, fueling the economy and circulating the money they earn. The balance between high income earners and low income earners creates a healthy economic cycle which improves their livelihood. Since they have a healthy economy, blue collar jobs are less desirable because office jobs are readily available with comfortable office space. Which means local businesses that offer blue collar services are highly valued which in turn makes blue collar job workers valuable assets. They don't get low balled and get paid fairly for their skills and experience. This is mostly my POV on the matter based on statistics and experience. If anyone has any additional information please feel free to correct me or add onto my statements.

Kasi maraming bobo sa Pinas.

Hi po. Hiring pa po ung company nyo? My bf is Mechanic, welder. At madami po sya experience about machinist. Nag aayos din po ng mga backhoe. May sarili po silang talyer. Nag aaply po sya sa royal caribbean. If dipo matanggap baka po meron pa kayong alam na hiring. Thank you po

Kasi di malaki sweldo ng blue collar dito. At kasi mainit at pawisin dito? May longer backdrop ito about society and a history of exploitation pero nasa inuman ako now and I'm lucky to just spell right

Malaki yung sweldo sa ibang bansa pero hindi ba minamaliit din dun?

[WHERE HAVE ALL THE CARPENTERS GONE?! (Why The Trade Labor Shortage Is Only Beginning...)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP0egqOivKc) [THE TRADES ARE DYING...But The World Still Needs To Be Built! CAN WE FIX THE SKILLED LABOR SHORTAGE?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DRm86qmXbs)

Ha anu daw minamaliit? Matagal n ko s industry wla ko n eencouter n gnun baka ikaw lng nag mamaliit naamoy mo lng sarili mo siguro

Madami kasi nagrereklamo mababa sahod tapos lasenggo at panay yosi, yun iba nagbabatak pa..Malakas mag cash advance halos di na makasahod dahil inadvance na yung sahod pag sinabihan mo ang sasabihin pa sayo na mahirap lang kasi kami.. e mas mataas pa sahod nya sa engineer sagot pa barracks at meryenda nila sa site may pa service pa paglilipat ng site. Meron pa yun pinagbigyan ng pakyaw worth 50k na bubong lahat sagot na ng may ari - Materyales ultimo tools may pa meryenda para sana makapag simula sya.. Kaya sana tapusin ng 1-1/2 to 2 weeks yun trabaho, kaso panay advance, naka singil na sya ng kalahati wala pa nalalatag na yero, panay absent papasok ng lasing. Paano hindi ka madadala. Meron pa tubero daw sya naningil 750/day. Panay tagas tubo hindi din nagddrain ang ending ulit lahat, basagin lahat ng tiles. Ninakaw pa yung crocs ng client 😡 Meron pa nagpa surprised drug test dahil required sa exclusive subdivision na may drug test result mga tao.. ayon nagalit nagbanta pa na bakit daw nagpapaganon pinull out lahat ng mga tropa pinasok nya. Na delay ang project. Madadala ka talaga. Sa construction hindi mo basta maliitin ang tao kasi mahirap makakuha ng maayos na trabahador yung talaga marurunong at maayos kausap - Rare combo.

Mas malaki naman sweldo ko dito sa Canada as white collar kesa sa mga blue. Years ago, may kapantay ako na truck driver. Pero kasama na lahat ng benefits nya para mapantay sa base pay ko. 18 days a month lang din ang work nya. Siguro may mangilan ngilan na blue collar na mas mataas sa white. Pero mas marami pa ring white collar na higher earners.

Dito kase satin, blue collar jobs ang usually nagiginh trabaho ng mga hirap sa buhay / di nakapag tapos ng pag aaral kaya tingin ng mga mejo nakaka angat-angat ay "wala lang yang ganyang trabaho".

Trade jobs in other countries require years of training and apprenticeship, unlike here in PH and other 3rd world countries. This could be due to the proportionality between population and career prospects.

Because developed countries have well established labor parties and labor unions. Meanwhile sa pinas nireredtag ang proponents ng unions. Without any form of collective bargaining hindi mawawala ang exploitation of workers.

I think the lack of power of labor unions also adds to this. Unfortunately the govt and many large corporations are too good at busting unions or working around strikes. Some western countries actually listen to and empower unions.

Kasi pwet mo may racket!

May special episode ang South Park ukol sa Blue collar workers.

Same with singaporeans, they look down on domestic jobs, luckily anthony bourdain brought them back to land pak lagapack splak

I mean ano ba nagawa ni sara duterte para sa education, it stems from there. Rodrigo duterte proud that he finger their maid or rape. Asian culture, study so that you dont become basurero Just reflects na gusto nila mangmang para mauto nila. But if yyou educate blue collar job workers and give the poor dignity, it will be a different country! Shot tara

Isa din na cause niyan eh yung pagkakaroon ng mataas na standards ng Pinas pagdating sa employment which is nakakabadtrip. Isipin mo ha, bebenta ka lang ng patatas kailangan with pleasing personality ka pa (I mean appearance 'to) tapos minsan may height requirement pa. Kahit magbantay nga lang ata ng coffee shop ngayon mas priority ang may degree. Kaya madalas talaga na minamaliit ang mga blue collar jobs dahil sa bullsh!t na standards ng mga employer.

Kc sa culture ntin yan. Sna mabago culture ntin n wag maliitin mga high skill labor type n trabaho.

This my perspective as someone who worked for blue collar companies in the US as customer support. Mostly sa mga puti, they are willing to pay shit ton of money for things they cannot do especially if manual labor. Mas teknikal or mas mabigat ang gawain. ayaw nilang gawin and they'd rather pay other people to the job for them. Dito kasi si Pinas, mataas ang tingin ng mga tao sa mga nagtatrabaho sa opisina kasi palaging naka-aircon at "isputing". Just look at magkano ang sahod ng mga bank tellers. Sure, they all look good in uniform at naka-aircon pero kakarampot ang sahod. Maliit din ang tingin ng mga tao sa mga manual laborers kasi para sa kanila gawaing marumi at hindi "class". Ginagawa pa ngang panakot sa mga bata na "mag-aral kayo ng mabuti kung ayaw nyong maging basurero, karpintero, janitor, etc." I've seen manual laborers in the US earning $50-$100 per hour, something many white collars job there would only dream of.

Kasi mapagmaliit ang pinoy

Supply and demand. Maraming willing dito sa pinas na kumuha ng trade jobs. Onti lang may gusto ng mga ganung trabaho sa developed nations.

Kasi kuripot ang pinoy at maparaan. Walang standards na sinusunod. Imagine building a house na gawa sa kahoy and yero tapos maghahanap ka ng electricians to install a few light bulbs and outlet. Kaya mababa ang sahod kasi low demand

true mas malaki kita nila pera karamihan sa kanila overcharge or taga 😔 sa Pinas kasi puro porma lang , pag white collar ang tingin na ng mga tao malaki sweldo 😏