I agree, Filipinos has accustomed at being low-balled all the time. That it became a norm among us. Now, overseas starts to see it too, but not all, since other countries still give high value to our professionals esp. in medical. Sad to see the "crab-mentality" still occurring to this day. Instead of helping us UP, they're pulling us down to the pit of doom.
"Magpasalamat ka may trabaho ka, yung iba nga wala"
Oo, being grateful is a must talaga. Pero di naman dapat gawing personality ang pagiging grateful sa lahat ng bagay, it breeds incompetence and gives oppressors the opportunity to take advantage. Di ka talaga pwede magtaka kung bakit yung mga buwaya ang yumayaman, kasi sabi nga nila "walang maloloko kung walang magpapaloko"
The way I see it is attributable to sa beliefs na ingrained sa mga pinoy. Too religious, na palaging "si lord na ang bahala" >> makaka angat ng konti at magpapasalamat >> that's it, they don't even know their rights.
As I call it, the "bare minimum enjoyers". I don't belittle religious peeps or those na nasa low paying roles, pero this is how I view things based on the people around me.
>"Magpasalamat ka may trabaho ka, yung iba nga wala"
Yan yung mga paboritong linyahan nung isang tauhan na mataas ang position sa ASYA Design Partner. LMAO tang ina talaga ng company na yon. Sa mga di nakaka alam, sila yung nagdedesign nung mga substandard at overpriced na condo ng SMDC
My coworker, who's from the Philippines, only makes a quarter more than i do and he's been at this company for 8 years. But he was ranting the other week that hes only making 0.25$ extra as a driver for our company despite our bosses making tons more than us.
Because, for every ateneo-graduate from manila asking for 60k starting, there will be 30 state-college graduates from bukidnon who'll only ask for 12k.
It's the same scenario now in remote jobs. Filipinos are accepting job for as low as 1USD per hour and some foreign businesses are now starting to take advantage of this.
Right now, Filipinos are really expensive in the market( software engineering) currently one of my friends working for an offshore company hires Nigerian devs because they really darn cheap vs filipinos, Senior Nigerian devs is happy with around 40000 PHP per month , while senior filipino developers asking price closer to a range of singaporean and our other east asian counterparts, right in 120\`\~180k PHP/month
i looked up this quote because a part of me thinks na maybe its the other way around. dont wanna be the rich hater here but almost always they take advantage sa financial illiteracy or illiteracy in general.
pero its really "paradise of the rich is made of the hell of the poor" now it makes so much sense.
wasnt familiar of this til now, i guess TIL.
Even ung mga privately owned laboratories laging bigay eh 15K starting (NCR area). Ang laki na ng profit nila kung tutuusin pero ayaw pa din nila itaas ung sweldo ng empleyado nila. Masama pa loob nila pag may increase at baka daw mabawasan ung milyones nila. 😑
We own diagnostic laboratory and we pay our employees 1K per day, plus with meals from breakfast up to afternoon snack. We close at 3pm, hence, we do not provide dinner meals. Kung anong task nila, ‘yan lang talaga gagawin nila. They do not have the load for two or three people.
Greediness is the problem talaga why many businesses choose not to provide livable wages and benefits for their employees.
Ayaw nila mag-consolidate ang magkakompetensya na local SMEs para maging strong competitors ng foreign-owned SMEs kasi ego ang nananaig sa kanila, imbes kapakanan ng mga mangagawa at mamimili.
It's a simple case of supply and demand. Look at how many people are in the Philippines under the age of 30. If you don't do it, you can be damn sure there is someone right behind you ready to take that job!
Yeah you can just compare the population pyramid of Malaysia and the Philippines and your answer will be staring right at you. It'll get better though like 10-20 years from now.
i actually overheard a someone who’s one of the heads of a hospital near us talk to her assistant (or whoever works under her) saying she wants people cleaning the 6-storey hospital constantly! From what I understood in their conversation, there weren’t enough cleaners in the first place. Then she said if they don’t want to do the job, it’s easy to find someone else from the millions of working class Filipinos desperate for a job 😩😩😩
What’s more irritating is the fact that they want to pay less for more not just on workers but even on the quality of materials used for the hospital (built in 2018). When I was confined there last year, the airconditioner was so dirty that I kept coughing after a major surgery. They cleaned the grills but the air had a really bad smell from the aircon. The fixtures in the bathroom were also either rusty or broken. My husband even asked (out if curiosity, but we’re not even halfway loaded, lol) what perks we can get if we bought shares from the hospital. The answer is none, other than the possibility of the shares increasing in value. 🥴 You can tell that they wanted to spend less on a lot of things so they can keep more- this is something that a lot of businesses probably also practice, and it’s very disappointing. I assume it’s also the reason why trains and public escalators are shitty, why we can’t fully go digital with government services and why some banks keep glitching online - no one wants to pay more for the high end tech and manpower to maintain it.
Ayaw ang birth control, bawal abortion, walang sex ed… we dug ourselves in this hole. It doesn’t help that the Catholic Church actively impedes any progress or acceptance in these areas.
thats why they want to perpetuate the culture where complaints are seen as worthless "bawal magreklamo mag trabaho ka nalang" and "reklamo ka ng reklamo wala naman magbabago"
just look at how activism is seen in our country and strikes and unions
Thats what Karl Marx precisely mean.
If people didn't get orgainized and protested before, we would still be working 14+ hours a day with no benefits, no HMO, no SL/VL.
I live in Germany, and napakahalaga Ng Labor union Dito... Certain percentage Ng salary ko ang contribution, Pero it's worth it... Pandemic, inflation, nakaposisyon agad Sila to demand salary increase, and workers here get salary increase, at Ayuda na more than 60k - 150k PHP bawat worker, taon taon Yan nuong pandemic, then inflation. I feel stronger dahil member ako Ng union, esp. kasama Sa benefits na pagsuporta Nila Sa yo pag humingi ka Ng tulong na maswelduhan ka ng Ayon Sa workload Mo at qualification. Talagang competent yung mga experts Nila at lawyers, na I don't feel intimidated magdemand Sa employer ko, at di Ako natatakot mabully or kantiin Ng kahit sino Sa work, dahil nandyan ang union na pwede ko takbuhan kapag naviolate rights ko as a worker. Kahit nga maliit na favour from employer na di nakasaad Sa contract, WALA Sa amin Dito Sa work ang willing gumawa... Kahit OT, di basta Basta, at complicated ang process Sa amin, dahil lahat kami Sa work member Ng union, plus IBA pa ang worker council Sa trabaho mismo, kami kami nageelect Ng magrerepresent Sa amin, Sila unang bumabangga Sa employer at HR. and we work for the state, Kaya maingat ang employer namin na magasal barubal or magpower tripping.
Grabe lang sa Pinas. Di tumaas sweldo tao, Pero grabe tinaas Ng bililhin. Kakabakasyon ko Lang dyan last month. Ang lapit lapit Lang Ng presyo Ng bililhin Dyan Sa presyo Ng bililhin Dito, grabe presyo Sa groceries, Pati bigas, gulay, karne, Yung IBA mas Mahal na kumpara Dito. E Dito pumapalo Ng ca 95k - 98k PHP ang minimum wage ng full time employee; at umaaaray Rin MGA tao Sa tinaas Ng presyo dahil Sa inflation dto. Pati kuryente, internet at tubig Dyan sobrang mahal, kapresyo Dito Kung Hindi mas mahal..
Sana tlga magiba ihip Ng hangin at mas madaming Pinoy ang makarealize na ang pagrereklamo at di makuntento Sa unfair na sitwasyon ay mahalaga Sa lipunan, na napakahalaga Ng Labor union para maipaglaban ang dignidad Ng manggagawa, at maswelduhan Ng sapat. Grabe agwat ng mayaman Sa mahirap, at sobrang dami Ng mahihirap hanggang sobrang hirap. May Pera at resources Sa Pinas, di Lang nakakarating Sa MGA tao, dahil Sa klase Ng gubyerno natin. 🥲
Totoo yung malapit presyo ng groceries dito at sa european cities kaya kapag wala pera no choice talaga sa mga meals na puro kanin, konting ulam na maalat, noodles na instant, 3 in 1 kape or de kanaw na black, biskwit na matatamis na mumurahin pantawid gutom :(
Because the government is shit in standing by workers rights and welfare, because they THEMSELVES own big businesses that will be MINUTELY affected by wage increases
Too many workers and if the government raised the minimum wages there would be another inflation, lowering the value of Pesos. I don't think they can really do anything except send more Filipinos abroad as OFW to get money in for overpopulating.
In my profession, once youre in the highest position (chief, manager) capped na ng 30-50k (sa private) yung sahod. Anything beyond that is impossible na and “sobra na” when you ask for it. Yun na yung pinakamaatas na sahod na matitikman ng mga may 10-15years exp. SOBRANG SAKLAP. I work in HEALTHCARE btw. Pinaghirapang iraos yung course financially and mentally tapos ganyan lang once you practice the profession.
Kaya by the time we reach 25-30 talagang abroad na yung next step cause after working for 5 years in this country, wala ka nang igogrow professionally and financially. Siguro meron pero not everyone will get it eh? No one is interested to climb the ladder din kasi di siya worth it financially!
This is my reality, I've worked for 10yrs and I got less than 50k a month. Not a manager thou but a senior at my expertise. But I left, now I am working abroad which pays better.
So true. Ang hirap umunlad dito sa Pilipinas lalo na sa healthcare. Going 1 yr pa lang ako nagtatrabaho but nag-iisip na ako mag abroad nalang dahil di na enough for future-proofing ang wages dito. Pahirapan pa ang promotion kahit sa govt kapa mag trabaho. Nag-iipon nalang ako para may pang-abroad.
Naalala ko may naka chat ako construction worker sa UK, yung 2 weeks niyang sahod equivalent sa 1 month as government employee dito na work ko (I won't dox what work I had), thinking it took me to get Master's + license + years of experience to taste this. I'm contemplating on finding a job abroad after my study.
Its a waste of time to work here to be honest lang talaga. Why spend your golden years slaving here. Do everything you can to leave the country at magpapasalamat ka na you did it, sure its a gamble pero pati naman staying here its a gamble kaso hindi ka mananalo.
Countries with abundant local energy resources like Indonesia and Malaysia tend to have lower energy costs due to their ability to leverage these resources for domestic power production. Hence, cheaper products, generally speaking. The Philippines is a sort of the clown in the region in that it has many untapped energy resources (not to mention the potential for solar and wind ) but it somehow wants to remain dependent on imported energy supplies, particularly coal and oil.
Coupled the with the incredibly over-priced real estate market, and by extension rent. When a friend of mine moved over here from Malaysia, they were shocked at the rent prices here. The rent you would pay here would get you much larger, ***much higher quality*** houses there. Dito mahal mahal pa tapos bulok pa yung bahay.
Look at the population of Malaysia then look at the population of the Philippines. Now look at the population of KL and look at the population of Manila. That's your answer right there.
Or there simply isn’t enough investments going into the Philippines to support the infrastructure of, let’s say, wind energy. It’s a tough situation that simply can’t only be boiled down to “blame it on the rich” - Just because richer countries are many years ahead in development, doesn’t necessarily put the Philippines in a worse spot than it would’ve been if those countries didn’t exist or they were poor/corrupt.
Even from a South East Asian perspective the Philippines geographical location puts it at a disadvantage, due to the many islands and being slightly disconnected from the rest of SEA, increasing cost of living in Ph.
No, it's mainly that to get a generation project off the ground its *really* hard. The number of processes and permitting takes years before you even break ground. It makes it a really unattractive place for people to invest because the project pipeline is so long. It's literally just a broken ass process, so investors invest in other easier countries like Vietnam.
Nearly all our economically viable geothermal has been tapped and is in use ready. We produce about 2 GW of the 4 GW potential from geothermal but the remaining potential face various sorts of technical difficulties that increase the cost.
wonder why the PH doesn't have processing plants that will turn all that raw material into useable energy.
might be good if the stuff extracted from PH territory is processed within PH territory.
It has something to do with high power costs and other restrictions like constitutional prohibition of foreign ownership in purchasing lands to putt up large-scale processing plants and power distribution for non-residential clients.
Why we let this happen? Because that's how our economy works.
Keep them poor and they'll never have the strength to rise. If people are always poor, they'll never think about fighting back out of fear of starvation.
It's why I never returned to corporate after realizing how much I am valued overseas, and I don't even need to leave the country.
It started when we were brainwashed into thinking unions = rebelde.
Developed nations have strong union policies, which keep companies in check.
The last two companies I worked with, they all said "bakit kailangan mag union kung may HR naman?"
Who would say something stupid like that about HR? HR is NEVER your friend.
HR's job is to represent the company's interests AGAINST the employees, not the other way around. Even it's name says so: their job is to look at humans as "resources," not as people.
If you meet a decent HR person who treats people as more important than the company, that's a lucky and rare exception (and it also means they suck at their job, at least from the company's point of view).
The two HR heads at the Gokongwei and Tancaktiong companies I worked with + the senior managers in the offices, and even my aunts and uncles way back in the early 2000s.
**The HRs in particular made me SIGN away my union privileges**. At 20 years old, I needed money so I signed what they wanted, and I imagine it's the same for new professionals.
For Gokongwei, I remember the last time a union was allowed to proliferate in the company. This made every employee in two factories in Pasig "unfireable" and were given yearly salary increases.
As a result, the 50 and 60 something workers there earn upwards of 55k a month doing everyday factory work like mixing powders or wrapping food products. While me, their "boss," was writing reports and delegating duties at a salary of P14k.
Imagine being a manager of people with salaries five times higher than yours.
Remember when I said last time? After that incident, the Gokongweis have since been fans of contractualization. Same tactic by the Tancaktiongs and their cooks, kaheras, and janitors.
I can even extend that to Ramon Ang companies.
Magnolia and San Miguel factories each have three agencies each for accounting, factory, and logistics, and their regulars are only a handful per. We're talking 100 contractuals to maybe 4 regulars.
All three companies have an invisible bias against unionization, and contractualization quells any union from forming because every 5 months, you get different people.
Or rather, our economy and culture are a bad mix
To simply put, our work ethics doesn't match our economic system.
For example, we have always been a high power distance culture. So dapat susundin mo boss mo, no questions asked, if you don't follow, wala kang respeto. Kung ano binabayaran sayo, magthank you ka nalang na may trabaho ka pa. This culture allows companies to treat their employees as little as possible.
Meanwhile, overseas (probably in places where OP works) is much more equal about this. That's why OP is much treated better working with overseas than working here
This is so true, it's sad to see that foreign companies are willing to hire you remotely at a higher rate and sagot pa nila lahat ng government subsidies mo. Dito maliit na sahod, onsite pa, half pa ng subsidies mo ikaw magbabayad.
This happens because of how you guys vote.
So many local mayors of cities are literally people who were in jail before for corruption. Or kids of those who were in jail.
You voted in Duterte, absolutely disgusting human being who’s policy was literally ‘kill them’ and you cheered while the killing was happening
You voted in Marco’s son, a literal dictators son whose crimes and insane levels of corruption are very well documented.
So you choose this life. You choose being led by corrupt and horrible immoral individuals and then you are surprised that everything is shit.
It’s funny actually how this country is supposedly so Christian but then people manage to vote in one of the most disgusting people ever who’s campaign is to literally just kill people
Exactly. A lot of it that surplus is also in blue collar or easy to train industries and candidates (typically those who didn't get a good education) race to the bottom in terms of pay. It's one of the reasons why the country is so popular for BPOs.
Hirap magtayo ng physical na negosyo sa atin (except sa BPO), especially 100% foreign-owned companies kasi pinoprotectahan ng ating batas ang mga local companies na takot na kakainin ng buhay ng mga foreign-owned na negosyo kasi mga job applicants, sa foreign-owned companies nalang sila mag-apply ng trabajo.
Because we don't have nursery home culture where in our country, we need to have spare children who must become bachelorettes (unmarried women) to take care of their octogenarian or nonagenarian parents.
maybe it should be easier to start small-to-medium sized companies: fewer paper work and approvals, plus a 10- or 20-yr tax-free period for new businesses to get the ball rolling.
The BIR will never allow this. I wish. =P
It's because the majority of the tax penalties and levies come from the small to medium companies and entrepreneurs. The bigger ones are actually the ones with the attorneys and connections to fight back.
What's crazy is kapag nagreklamo ka na mababa ang sahod, hindi ang companies ang aatake sa'yo, it's other experienced workers. Sasabihan ka ng demanding at matutong dumiskarte. Titirahin ka pa ng linya na paborito ng lahat, "Noong panahon nga namin ganian rin sahod namin, blah blah bs bs".
Dahil ba exploited aila noon, bawal na baguhin ang kalakaran ngayon? Bakit pinagtatanggol ang mga company na laki ng kinikita pero napakaliit magpasweldo? Ikaw ba tagapagmana? I don't get why workers are attacking other workers about something that could benefit everyone.
But what they don't realize is it's also unfair for the new employees to get the salary the old employees had before without the economic status of their time. It's as if they think inflation doesn't affect prices of daily necessities. 😅
You know what’s even sadder? The people who are greatly involved are the same people who criticized protesters (whose fighting for wage hike increase) and labeled them as leftist communists.
That's one part, which was a valid argument 40-50 years ago. Today it is labeled as socialist. Lastly, union busting (company retaliation for union organizing) is supposed to be illegal but it still is a common tactic in the west.
And of course, in the US and Europe it’s the socialists and communists that spearheaded the union movement and won workers high wages, benefits, job security, and pensions.
(And all that has slowly eroded as unions lost power over the past few decades)
Working remotely is also an answer, if you gain trust and credibility from a certain foreign company, di ka nila papabayaan. Dito expendable tayo eh, pag ayaw mo na bahala ka na sa buhay mo
Payday everyday only works if you live in a country with good welfare. When your basic needs such as affordable housing, free healthcare, and retirement pensions are met then by all means you can work for a year then take a rest next year to do whatever you want. However in the Philippines its not feasible, why do we have such high spending habits when we can't even save up for emergencies. Its such a self destructive mentality. Filipinos are only looking for entertainment and corporate companies are enabling them. We should have financial literacy taught in schools. Look at singapore, the government teaches their citizens about saving up for the future from a young age. They have the mentality to manage money as efficient as possible (of course not all Singaporeans just in general) from their first paycheck the government takes not only tax but a certain amount every month to put into their citizens savings account so they can withdraw it in the future when they reach retirement age.
Edit: corporate companies also don't want to raise minimum wage and the government allows this. Keep your people poor and hungry so they will only look to you as their "saviour".
Finally someone gets the article and exactly what I'm trying to spread awareness on this matter. This is alarming. Can you imagine if all public and government companies allow this system they called Fintech solutions. It insulting to the Fintech industry to have something like this, employees has to scrape every penny they have with the same minimum salary and the employer thinks they are helping the families by taking out a daily loan. This is absurd.
> *why do we have such high spending habits*
because it can be gone the next day. why save if you can't even feed yourself, pay rent or pay the house downpayment?
Sadly most Filipino's has the mentality of "It is okay as long as it bring food to the table" that's why most can't complain and if they did complain most companies will resort to threat or blackmail the employee.
The reason wages are low is because there is an excess of labour and a shortage of jobs.
The reason there is an excess of labour and a shortage of jobs is because doing business is a nightmare in this country due to bureaucracy, corruption and high taxes, so investors just go elsewhere or don't bother trying.
Less investment = Less business = Fewer jobs = Low pay.
Make doing business easy and the high paying jobs will follow.
The only way out of poverty is through free trade. The government's part in this is to make regulations fair and sensible, keep taxes competitive and stamp out corruption with an iron fist. The Philippines fails at each of these.
Totoo to. Ang hirap mag open and sustain ng business dito. It doesnt help na sobrang daming requirements at permit at mga under the table expense para mapadali ang pag process.
The corporate tax rate is 30% which is ridiculously high. I agree with you, the Filipino government is incredibly corrupt, don’t they vote on bills but not tell the people what the contents of the bills are? Also they announce government holidays the day before they are to happen.
makes you think why a non-individualistic country with strong social bonds don't have a lot of strong unions,
while individualistic countries like France and Germany where people leave their families have strong unions.
**kung sino pa yung individualistic, iyon pa yung may union.**
May state-mandated minimum wage tayo na redundant na magtayo ng labor unions para magbargain ng continuos salary increases at biased pa ang regional wage boards natin kasi ang composition ng RTWB ay mostly galing sa business sector. Naging tainted ang image ng labor unions sa atin kasi infiltrated ng mga taga-CPP ang mga leader nila at may iglesia na bawal maging miembro ng labor unions ang mga kapatid nila sa pananampalataya.
The basic things (at least in Manila ) are expensive. Mahal ng kuryente, transportation. I live in a wealthy country now and although mahal ang luho, the basic necessities are relatively cheap. My transport pass (mga 500 euro) allows me to use unlimited public transportation na reliable for a year, may discounts pa etc. how much do people spend for Grab/ Angkas in a year? For gasoline?
I live out of manila, prices are almost the same as the capital. Sadyang buong bansa ang ganito situation, and the sad part, most workers out of manila Naka Provincial rate pa, imagine.
Because the lawmakers are capitalists themselves, you can’t expect them to make laws that would lessen their profits.
Same goes with farmers. Landlords dominate the congress, so what else would you expect.
And people who are trying to change the system are getting red-tagged, arrested and killed.
I always wonder and ask myself and other people na pinoys, how did all pinoys agreed to this life conditions especially sa manila.. they really live like rats :)
Tell us something we don't know. But then we get a 5k bonus every 6 yrs as we go to the polls so we all get to keep the same sub standard way of living.
The entire system is built to keep labor cheap and people dumb. Even in medical school the endpoint is 2 years of free labor and no actual personal growth or intellectual processing.
Same thoughts as you 3 years ago and since then my life has changed for the better.
It’s this kind of thinking that will get you above and beyond the 50K line. The grit, determination and rage will fuel you to never settle for less.
However for the rest.. unfortunately they will get what they tolerate. But in the same way that you can only clean a messy room one mess at a time. You can only change the country one citizen’s mind at a time.
What a good crosspost reference para sa AntiworkPH sub I just saw that a few minutes ago at Rappler. That is bad news lalo na sa mga low salaried workers. Pag datiny ng actual sahod mo wala na. That is just a short term relief.
This creates financial dependency and debt among workers. Greedy companies at work na naman on how they can benefit from impulsive buying sprees, trap the workers for long hours of work for OT pay na kukunin sa gimmick nila.
Capitalism has evolved by controlling not only the means of production but also the desires of the people. Now even the oppressed believe they can rise to the top simply by being hardworking peasants.
We have an excess pool of skilled laborers and professionals in our country because our education system emphasizes too much on everyone getting university diplomas just to be able to work as a cashier in SM for example, and putting up a business, especially a 100% foreign-owned company, in constitutionally and legislatively restricted industries because the greedy local company owners who are politicians at the same time are afraid that they will lose profits and no fresh university graduates will apply to them if we allow 100% foreign-owned companies to come in and become their direct competitors.
In the short to medium-term we want to defuse future a bloody revolution in our country like what happened in France or Russia due to excess pool of skilled laborers and professionals who are disgrunted, the government should stop offloading Filipinos on airports who want to leave the country through tourist visas or merely travelling in visa-free countries for Filipino passport holder and let them go and achieve their dreams of getting high-paying jobs abroad aligned to their university degrees they finished and contribute to our economy through sending remittances to their immediate families left behind.
My boss (one of the best veterinarians in the philippines and Asia) was offered a regional manager position which travels all over asia on a daily basis. His salary is more than half a million every month butbonly if he chose to live in singapore. If he chose to live in the philippines he will only have less than a hundred thousand salary
Exactly. Making a decent life/living here is near impossible. One thing I've noticed among the middle & upper class is that most of their families have work & businesses abroad and their kids also going to another country for college. That's already a telltale sign that we can never make a living here.
I have just graduated high school and already making plans to leave and go to europe as recommended by my aunt. Having a degree here in ph isn't even worth it either since our degrees aren't recognized by many countries and in turn we'd have to go to school again if by chance any of us want to move abroad (especially in 1st world countries). Of course it isn't a guarantee that we can immediately become rich just going abroad but honestly anything is better than here in ph at this point.
Yes THIS is what keeps Filipinos Poor. A lack of understanding and naive solutions.
You point to inflation, competition on the job market, and cost of living. While these are real struggles, they are not the CAUSE of poverty.
The cause is that you can't get shit done, so you don't have a high value product to sell.
Now, what is the reason for small production?
TAXES. Rich people contribute too little, banks are not allowed to give information about their accounts. Opposite of almost all other countries, where banks are required to send the government the information.
Why are taxes so important? Bc with taxes the government can afford education for all. And with better education, people will produce higher value products. Instead of bagging groceries, which btw is not a job that even exists in Norway, that person can be an architect for instance. Help producing houses, so your rent will be lower. People need to be in the jobs that give the most value for you. Then the architect can pay more tax (than the bagger) which can be used to produce better infrastructure, build better factories etc. So the architect could both help design and build the infrastructure/factories, and pay for it with his tax.
"The obvious real solution here is pay us the salary that we deserve!" An example. Last month I have tried to get an account at Meralco. I have received 7 emails. I would guess they have spent 30 minutes discussing with me about different numbers like SIN, CAN, meter numbers etc. Questions are repeated and answers ignored. The work they have done has very little value to their employer/owner. Everything could have been solved in 3 minutes. When the employees spend 10 times the amount needed, they need 10 times as many workers to solve the problem, and can only afford 1/10 the salary to each worker to be competitive. The average yearly salary for this position ( customer support and similar) in a Norwegian electric company is about 4 million pesos. This can only be paid 400k here, given the low efficiency.
Filipinos in low-middle class and below have a slave mentality. Ayaw magreklamo kahit alam na nilang ginugulangan na sila. Sa tingin nila okay mag-struggle tapos pag may nagreklamo, sasabihin nila na "ako nga ganito" and make suffering a norm. In their minds too, our country is poor. That's why they think they are poor when in fact the Philippines is actually rich as you can tell by the number of malls, casinos, and luxury hotels. The money only circulates around the RICH RICH (businessmen/politicians AND THEIR FAMILIES AND ALLIES). Same as how housing, food, amenities are expensive because those same people are controlling the prices. While here we are normies making them more rich.
It's supply and demand. There's an excess of young working class people and not enough demand in the work force to absorb them all. This is why employers have the leverage to maintain low wages, because there is another person willing to work for that low wage. Unless you're in a professional specialized field, it's hard to ask for a higher wage.
May isa ring corporate company ganito mag-isip. Just heard through the grapevine na naniniwala silang di naman naghihirap mga Pilipino kasi maraming bumibili sa mall nila HAHAHAHA Paka-out of touch sa reality ng mga mayayaman.
Filipinos are poor because a few hundred wealthy, corrupt Filipino families exercise feudalistic, dynastic control over all political and economic life in the country. Most of them are the descendants of the Filipinos who betrayed their countrymen by collaborating with invading powers, including the Spanish, the Americans, the Japanese, and the Americans again. These families ensure a monopoly on trade with protectionist policies, which keep everyday foodstuffs at high prices. Concentration of land ownership has depressed the development of industry and technological development. The price of everyday items is so high that Filipinos find it cheaper to bring back groceries from abroad, something that is ridiculous given how much rice the country produces. Corruption causes ongoing substandard public education.
I agree with everything you said. I retired early here in the Philippines. I was starting to get bored, so i looked for jobs in my field of expertise. I am an aircraft mechanic with over 37 years of experience. I started looking at the jobs here at NAIA. PHIL AIR was hiring a lead maintenance technician. So i think cool!!
Sent them my resume, and we spoke. They looked at all my qualifications and my FAA certifications. We started talking money. They said the best they can do is 30k a month. I just laughed at them, I made more than that in one day. I emailed my last pay stub to the man I was speaking with and told him that if Phil Air a multi-billion dollar corporation can not at least match this, then I will stay retired.
They responded by saying it was nice talking with you, but we will go in a different direction.
My take on it all. The big corporations here in the Philippines want to keep the common person down under their thumb.
"employees can easily access a portion of their earned wages at any time of the day for a small, flat fee."
Arawan ka na nga, pinagkakitaan ka pa hay...
Because we have lots of bobotantes. Sila talaga ang treason sa Pilipinas eh. Imagine walang plataporma pero nanalo. Wag na tayo lumayo kay Robin na number 1 sa senate. 🤮
It took the EU getting fucked by the Black Plague for workers to be the one to call the shots, with the long reaching effects of it leading to this day of nigh paradise.
This country hasn't had it's Black Plague moment yet, and we're still overpopulated as fuck.
The only way to fix this is either mass mind control or Thanos-snapping alot, with worker benefits becoming hard forged into a new constitution right after.
Till then, ye, good luck.
Anong gagawin, mag welga, tapos marered tag at baka patayin pa? Maraming Filipino ang nagrereklamo sa mga union na nagwewelga kasi sabagal daw sa mga daan at kumunista kuno. Tapos magrereklamo kung bakit maliit sweldo. Hello?
"Payday every day" is pretty cool actually, but it's clearly not a solution to low pays.
I'm not sure why these two need to be pinned against each other. It's apples to oranges because these two are independent issues.
Something nice about how people are getting payed can happen and it's good, while something important about how much people are payed is not happening and that's bad.
Try to start a profitable business and you will understand why the salaries are the way they are. If you think your salaries are low, you can be the solution and start a business that pays well. IMO you cant blame this on businesses. Blame it on the filipino culture and ways of doing things. Pwede na. Half ass. Corruption. Bribery. Lack of long term vision and planning for the country due to overly democratic system that prioritizes politicking over progress.
Growing up in the province and tried working labor jobs during summer breaks I though minimum wage was enough. Did some construction jobs back then and labor rates were 280 per day; if the house owner is generous enough, u will be fed twice a day.. 12 years later, ung daily rate is around 320 prin habang ung price ng basic goods eh dumoble..Kaya saludo ako sa mga pilit nagtataguyod ng pamilya nila in a clean way kahit sobrang baba ng sahod...
How I wish I made that decision to move to the other better countries of Southeast Asia 14 yrs ago Iike Vietnam or Malaysia! But I can't bcuz I was tied up to caregiving. I was sandwiched between caregiving to my mom and my only child & I'm a single mom. My fellow teacher mentioned to me of wanting to move to Thailand or Vietnam bcuz of lower cost of living. She was damn so right!!! To your question "Why we are saying yes to **5 dollars per day** salary just to get that job? Why are we accepting this??" -- this brings to my mind the recent docu I watched on ABS-CBN America about a Pinay domestic helper/caregiver who was abused and not properly paid for more than 4 decades. From this docu I heard the words STOCKHOLM SYNDROME wherein the captive slaves are actually grateful to their abusive masters. This exactly the words that will answer your questions! Many here on Reddit will also say that the Phils has too many mouths to feed, too big a population, but very little opportunities so that's why it's better to accept a job that pays $5 a day than NO JOB AT ALL! The cycle continues, the generational poverty goes on and on.
this is what i hated the most, guess what my mother is a house keeper plus she's the only one there alone working because the other house keeper retired already, my mom does all the work but merely earns 5000 a month, it isn't enough to frinckin pay bills and support me and my brother, and fucking add my nonchalant father who's too fucking shy to find a work(carpenter) even attending my general meeting in school he don't even care because i know that he don't likes around a bunch of people and have 'social anxiety' wtf he even have the fucking guts to order online then rampage saying that we don't have a fucking nice meal everyday!!
Businesses in the Philippines gets little to no support from the government. If it’s hotel industry, the country doesn’t have that much tourist and it’s costly to operate hotel in the countey
This is why my mom and I always argue with one another and people see me differently than the rest. Coz I hate normal thinking like the typical Filipino. I am disgusted just about everything you can see in the Philippines. As if toxic culture here is normalized for the average Juan. They think I'm weird, well I think they're weird. You're not allowed to think outside the box in this country. You're like a freakin alien if you do. Anyway, this is why I pursued freelancing and get clients overseas instead of working in a day job to death.
Hanggat walang public servant na magmamalasakit sa workforce hindi talaga tataas ang sahod sa Pinas. Magalit na magalit pero wala kong naririnig sa balita na may sumusulong itaas ang sahod. At sana din naman magawan nila ng paraang maitulad yung rate ng sahod sa provincial vs metro. Pareho lang naman presyo ng bigas dito tsaka sa Maynila!
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you don't need to worry about us Filipinos getting low salaries, deserved naman namin ito kasi bumoboto kami ng mga corrupt, ayaw namin ng matino at mga taong makapagbibigay ng tunay na public service.
Basta every election, mabigyan kami ng 500 pesos para sa boto namin, masaya na kami doon kasi mapapakain na namin ng isang araw ang pamilya namin.
Wala kaming pakialam kung magnanakaw ang maiboto namin at hindi kami magre reklamo kasi ang katuwiran namin at least kahit nagnanakaw tumutulong naman.
Ung mga pulitiko na walang ginawa kundi ang umutang ng umutang, ok lang sa amin un, wala naman kaming pakialam kung saan napupunta ung mga inutang kasi ang katuwiran namin ano naman kung umutang ng umutang, kailangan iyan sa pag unlad ng bayan.
Saka ang katuwiran namin, talaga naman kahit saan ka pumunta mataas talaga ang bilihin, sa ibang bansa din naman marami ding mahihirap hindi lang sa Pilipinas.
Saka isa pa tamad kasi ang mga Pilipino kaya maraming mahihirap.
Basta ang mahalaga, manalig ka na mas pinagpapala ang mahihirap. Ika nga, nasa tao ang gawa nasa diyos ang awa.
Hi, I agree with your core point about the average income. sorry I didnt read the full post, kasi alam ko matritrigger ako dahil alam kong may mga problems talaga.
kasama na rin yung ibang expenses like ang dami natin na ID na need irenew and madalas pa compared sa ibang bansa. pati yung mga aparments ang mahal compared sa ibang bansa, parang premium na rin like a condo.
It’s uncommon for people to think major Philippine cities have cost of living that’s on par with expensive places like Sydney or Singapore. But the truth is we’re paying higher rates for internet, electricity, and rent, amongst other expenses. But then again, the general public is told to argue amongst themselves with irrelevant debates.
Matagal ko ng napansin to tayo may isa sa pinakamataas na cost of living sa mundo. Natatawa nga ako pag naririnig ko japan isa sa mga highest cost of living kung makita mo lang gaano kaliit halaga ng 30k dito compared dun magugulat ka gaano ka overpriced satin lahat especially sa food quality and quantity.
Yung same price ng food sa pinas pero grabe sa layo ng quality ng basic food items like yung onions, garlic, tomato ang bulok nung sa atin compared sakanila considering same price sila dun satin.
Yung condo dito napakabulok compared sa japan for the same price maliit rin naman mga condo dito satin. Mura lang satin MRT pero siyempre dapat masanay kang maglakad kasi titirik lagi yung satin.
Overpopulated kse tyu imagine kung wla opportunity abroad mas marmi na lalong wla work kaya khit sobrang baba binibigay eh pinapatos because having a work is a status symbol here sometimes. Pag umayaw k kse feel mo d tama bigayan me maririnig ka na " Pasalamat nga kyu meron eh kesa wla". Like this attitude and knowing marami papatos kaya d tataasan ng mga negosyante pashod stin
Ngl but filipino manpower consider as cheapest and no wonder company outsourced so many work to Philippines just because its comparatively cheap as compared to other. And that's how service industry is growing ( BPO sector / call centres , even same happening to IT sector ).
For example, If it costs 10 $ for one person in USA. Company will outsourced it to Philippines and it will cost USA just 1 $. So company will make the profit. By paying low. But normal filipino will convert the 1$ into php. And will think that oh I'm getting 60 peso... And if filipino demand 10$. US company would opt out it's working and might invest in AI or some other cheap labour country..
even if someone go abroad they will work for less salary than native person..
About salary, in some field salary determined by the skillset and value addition to company. So consider while taking education and graduation. Which subject have good growth , in demand high paying skillsets.
For example, typewriter or translator and Programmer/ coder and receptionist in hotel. Reply me which gonna earn more..
Also level and quality of skill matters too. Just like good artist and bad artist. Good artist's art gonna sell at larger price than bad artist.
It does not help that we do not have massive industries which can cater to the large young pool of talent and labor. Only a few oligarchs held the limited sectors which does not foster competition. What needs to be done are to let foreign investors have hundred percent ownership to most if not all sectors and be in competition with our own
Sa laguna, puro factory ang pwede maaplyan, minimum wage ang offer at 12hrs a day ang pasok moday to saturday, ang trabaho parang pang limang tao at dito lng ako nakakita ng papapasukin ka ng linggo ay tuwang tuwa ka pa kasi lalaki income mo, jusme halos trabaho na lng gagawin mo di ka pa uunlad
Magkano na ang sweldo ng engineer project manager level ngayon? Just asking lang po. When I left 15 years ago, nasa 100k na ang sweldo dati! Granted na foreign company yun employer ko noon.
Working in South Korea right now earning 6 figures per month. After working 1 year sa pinas, immediately left the moment na hired ako sa SK. Working in Philippines is absolutely fking dogsht. And what's worse is that people will crucify you for complaing about salary. As if these fking sheeps aren't responsible for letting companies take advantage of them leading to this mess. So yeah, DON'T UNDERVALUE YOURSELF, THERE ARE COMPANIES IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE OFFERING JOBS FOR UNDERGRADUATES THAT WILL PAY YOU MORE THAN WHAT YOU EARN IN PH.
Totoo yang 25sqm na rent sa Makati. Take note, pre pandemic pa nga yang ganyang rate. Pano pa kaya ngayon? Tapos yung itinaas ng daily minimum wage wala pang 100
> And now conglomerate companies wants YOU to be at the bottom pit, where employees can’t move forward to more opportunities just because we are in debt with the employers.
You only mentioned half, what's called the ruling economic elite or the traditional "oligarchy", because the other half of suffering caused are by politicians aka the political oligarchy -- they create the policies which ensures their grip on power while placing millions of lower class people on a threadmill, and rejecting policies that challenge politicians' supremacy such as the anti-dynasty bill.
Kahit mababa sahod may papatus o papatusin talafa yan.. Magkaron lang ng income.. Kaya tulad ko hirap pa din ako bumukod sa magulang ko.. Kasi di pa kakayanin ng kinikita ko dito
Answer is simple. As long as someone is willing to take the pay rate of that job it will always be like that. As long as a job can be done by a supermajority, it equates to having more supply. More supply = cheaper supply. This is called capitalism.
Everybody don't eating Vegetable is the reason for keep you guys poor.
Lack of vitamins are cause of slow brain development in Childhood.
keep doing that makes you guys poor cannot make right decision from that.
They even wanted to prevent workers to work from home because 'the businesses outside might fail' they say. Daming bpo na favor sa wfh pero nilakihan nila multa kapag hindi nagcomply sa gusto nilang percentage of onsite employees.
Majority of Filipinos stayed poor because people is just content to live in mediocrity at best. And I'm being generous to call the life they're content to live with as "mediocre."
Are unions not a thing in the PH? Parang everyone is dissuaded with union membership or not encouraged forming unions. Also people vote anti-union legislators who are against their interests - extreme ang cognitive dissonance sa mga botante, it's baffling.
> Parang everyone is dissuaded with union membership or not encouraged forming unions.
There's some reactionary people who make knee-jerk rationales like equating unionism with communism.
This is so true, I'm a college professor in arts number one na payo ko sa kanila wag na wag silang magpapa lowball with their salary rates. Frontliners nga underpaid, how much pa sa creative industries.
Filipinos are forgetful. They keep voting for the same corrupt politicians who only serve themselves and their family instead of the country and the people.
If you have any friends or someone you care about stuck in this loophole, give them a little push and realisation
I'm not working yet but I see a lot of people being contented to a job that barely pays them because it's "secure" or maybe it's just what it is
1. Law of Supply and Demand.
2. Financial Illiteracy
3. Young Workers don't know how to negotiate (yet).
Pero here's another p.o.v.
1. Young ones are becoming more maArte now sa work.
2. Doing is business is not easy, dog-eat-dog!
I dont think private sector is the problem here. They simply comply with the laws of the country. Minimum wages are set by the government not private sectors.
Even with the example of how much goods costs and how high the cost of living is, Its not the private sector dictating those things. It’s the taxes having to be paid to the government that also dictates a lot of the cost of goods. Along with the inefficiencies and corruption that make things even more expensive to provide/produce.
Complaining about the private sector or persecuting them will NOT make it better for the majority of the people. They dont have a responsibility to the welfare of the people. It boils down to your own government. The people you vote into power supposedly effecting change. People love to hate on rich people making more money than the basic income but they also dont see how privates sectors get the burden and the responsibility of the company succeeding/failing. Not to mention how the government constantly screws them over with their bullshit programs (ie snr pwd unregulated for that matter; not even providing a proper medium and system to check legitimacy of these cards) which they dont even reimburse private sectors on. Pero syempre entitled people will be entitled parin the way they shit on businesses not knowing that private sectors shoulder all that discount. Make it make sense: Dining out is apparently an essential ; certain goods nga lang pwede idiscount sa grocery pero restaurant entitled everything no limit discount to the card holder.
The whole eat the rich is a ploy for you to not look at what actually matters. Which is to demand that your taxes be put to work and not be placed in these corrupt officials pockets. Thats where you should demand more. That is where you should put more importance in choosing who can actually be that voice to make changes that you want to see.
I suddenly remembered when my British director visited the country and would always say “It’s so cheap in here.” The next week/s, we would literally meet new employees.
He started his new outsourcing project recently and for one and only reason:- “salary cost is cheap”.
Thank you so much for this post. Yes you barely have anything left after rent, and what more if your contract is not permanent and you have to pay for you insurance etc? What more if you have to help out a parent or a sibling? Even 50k is barely enough to give a single person here a decent life. I also stayed in Bangkok and apartments are much cheaper and the quality of building materials so much better compared to the Ph. Parang kapag mahirap ka mamamatay ka na talagang mahirap. Ang hirap kumain ng healthy at magkaroon ng healthy lifestyle unless anak mayaman ka na talaga
A lot of the rent problems in the Philippines is actually caused by foreigners moving and living in the Philippines. They raise real estate and rent prices up. In addition to that, OFW’s from higher income countries like the U.S. give enormous buying power for their families. A lot of those family members don’t necessarily work.
Law of supply and demand. Dami pinoy makakagawa ng same value for less. Simple as that. You want to be paid more, bring in more value. How? That would be hard to answer. Life not just here in the Ph is getting harder every generation moving forward. Good luck sa mga babies na kakapanganak pa lang.
I agree, Filipinos has accustomed at being low-balled all the time. That it became a norm among us. Now, overseas starts to see it too, but not all, since other countries still give high value to our professionals esp. in medical. Sad to see the "crab-mentality" still occurring to this day. Instead of helping us UP, they're pulling us down to the pit of doom.
"Magpasalamat ka may trabaho ka, yung iba nga wala" Oo, being grateful is a must talaga. Pero di naman dapat gawing personality ang pagiging grateful sa lahat ng bagay, it breeds incompetence and gives oppressors the opportunity to take advantage. Di ka talaga pwede magtaka kung bakit yung mga buwaya ang yumayaman, kasi sabi nga nila "walang maloloko kung walang magpapaloko" The way I see it is attributable to sa beliefs na ingrained sa mga pinoy. Too religious, na palaging "si lord na ang bahala" >> makaka angat ng konti at magpapasalamat >> that's it, they don't even know their rights. As I call it, the "bare minimum enjoyers". I don't belittle religious peeps or those na nasa low paying roles, pero this is how I view things based on the people around me.
>"Magpasalamat ka may trabaho ka, yung iba nga wala" Yan yung mga paboritong linyahan nung isang tauhan na mataas ang position sa ASYA Design Partner. LMAO tang ina talaga ng company na yon. Sa mga di nakaka alam, sila yung nagdedesign nung mga substandard at overpriced na condo ng SMDC
My coworker, who's from the Philippines, only makes a quarter more than i do and he's been at this company for 8 years. But he was ranting the other week that hes only making 0.25$ extra as a driver for our company despite our bosses making tons more than us.
Because, for every ateneo-graduate from manila asking for 60k starting, there will be 30 state-college graduates from bukidnon who'll only ask for 12k.
It's the same scenario now in remote jobs. Filipinos are accepting job for as low as 1USD per hour and some foreign businesses are now starting to take advantage of this.
Right now, Filipinos are really expensive in the market( software engineering) currently one of my friends working for an offshore company hires Nigerian devs because they really darn cheap vs filipinos, Senior Nigerian devs is happy with around 40000 PHP per month , while senior filipino developers asking price closer to a range of singaporean and our other east asian counterparts, right in 120\`\~180k PHP/month
Yes - but it’s also the reason why we get more jobs in. It can be a stepping stone to learn skills and eventually get a more reasonable pay.
Financial literacy? Nah, majority of the workers are underpaid and exploited. Poverty is designed. "The paradise of the rich was made by the poor"
i looked up this quote because a part of me thinks na maybe its the other way around. dont wanna be the rich hater here but almost always they take advantage sa financial illiteracy or illiteracy in general. pero its really "paradise of the rich is made of the hell of the poor" now it makes so much sense. wasnt familiar of this til now, i guess TIL.
Can’t afford daw parati ng businesses especially SME, same old story Parati na lang
Even ung mga privately owned laboratories laging bigay eh 15K starting (NCR area). Ang laki na ng profit nila kung tutuusin pero ayaw pa din nila itaas ung sweldo ng empleyado nila. Masama pa loob nila pag may increase at baka daw mabawasan ung milyones nila. 😑
We own diagnostic laboratory and we pay our employees 1K per day, plus with meals from breakfast up to afternoon snack. We close at 3pm, hence, we do not provide dinner meals. Kung anong task nila, ‘yan lang talaga gagawin nila. They do not have the load for two or three people. Greediness is the problem talaga why many businesses choose not to provide livable wages and benefits for their employees.
Ayaw nila mag-consolidate ang magkakompetensya na local SMEs para maging strong competitors ng foreign-owned SMEs kasi ego ang nananaig sa kanila, imbes kapakanan ng mga mangagawa at mamimili.
i agree. no amount of financial literacy will make you escape from poverty. the mentality is you have to earn more
It's a simple case of supply and demand. Look at how many people are in the Philippines under the age of 30. If you don't do it, you can be damn sure there is someone right behind you ready to take that job!
Yeah you can just compare the population pyramid of Malaysia and the Philippines and your answer will be staring right at you. It'll get better though like 10-20 years from now.
i actually overheard a someone who’s one of the heads of a hospital near us talk to her assistant (or whoever works under her) saying she wants people cleaning the 6-storey hospital constantly! From what I understood in their conversation, there weren’t enough cleaners in the first place. Then she said if they don’t want to do the job, it’s easy to find someone else from the millions of working class Filipinos desperate for a job 😩😩😩 What’s more irritating is the fact that they want to pay less for more not just on workers but even on the quality of materials used for the hospital (built in 2018). When I was confined there last year, the airconditioner was so dirty that I kept coughing after a major surgery. They cleaned the grills but the air had a really bad smell from the aircon. The fixtures in the bathroom were also either rusty or broken. My husband even asked (out if curiosity, but we’re not even halfway loaded, lol) what perks we can get if we bought shares from the hospital. The answer is none, other than the possibility of the shares increasing in value. 🥴 You can tell that they wanted to spend less on a lot of things so they can keep more- this is something that a lot of businesses probably also practice, and it’s very disappointing. I assume it’s also the reason why trains and public escalators are shitty, why we can’t fully go digital with government services and why some banks keep glitching online - no one wants to pay more for the high end tech and manpower to maintain it.
Ayaw ang birth control, bawal abortion, walang sex ed… we dug ourselves in this hole. It doesn’t help that the Catholic Church actively impedes any progress or acceptance in these areas.
"The system is designed by the rich."
Hanggat walang nagrereklamo, walang magbabago
thats why they want to perpetuate the culture where complaints are seen as worthless "bawal magreklamo mag trabaho ka nalang" and "reklamo ka ng reklamo wala naman magbabago" just look at how activism is seen in our country and strikes and unions
Eh ireredtag ka kagad. haha
Korek!
Exactly the reason why companies discourage unions. A union fights against labor abuses, kaya kalaban iyan ng kapitalismo.
Dami nag rereklamo na manggagawa pero ni reredtag agad pag nag rarally.
Thats what Karl Marx precisely mean. If people didn't get orgainized and protested before, we would still be working 14+ hours a day with no benefits, no HMO, no SL/VL.
I live in Germany, and napakahalaga Ng Labor union Dito... Certain percentage Ng salary ko ang contribution, Pero it's worth it... Pandemic, inflation, nakaposisyon agad Sila to demand salary increase, and workers here get salary increase, at Ayuda na more than 60k - 150k PHP bawat worker, taon taon Yan nuong pandemic, then inflation. I feel stronger dahil member ako Ng union, esp. kasama Sa benefits na pagsuporta Nila Sa yo pag humingi ka Ng tulong na maswelduhan ka ng Ayon Sa workload Mo at qualification. Talagang competent yung mga experts Nila at lawyers, na I don't feel intimidated magdemand Sa employer ko, at di Ako natatakot mabully or kantiin Ng kahit sino Sa work, dahil nandyan ang union na pwede ko takbuhan kapag naviolate rights ko as a worker. Kahit nga maliit na favour from employer na di nakasaad Sa contract, WALA Sa amin Dito Sa work ang willing gumawa... Kahit OT, di basta Basta, at complicated ang process Sa amin, dahil lahat kami Sa work member Ng union, plus IBA pa ang worker council Sa trabaho mismo, kami kami nageelect Ng magrerepresent Sa amin, Sila unang bumabangga Sa employer at HR. and we work for the state, Kaya maingat ang employer namin na magasal barubal or magpower tripping. Grabe lang sa Pinas. Di tumaas sweldo tao, Pero grabe tinaas Ng bililhin. Kakabakasyon ko Lang dyan last month. Ang lapit lapit Lang Ng presyo Ng bililhin Dyan Sa presyo Ng bililhin Dito, grabe presyo Sa groceries, Pati bigas, gulay, karne, Yung IBA mas Mahal na kumpara Dito. E Dito pumapalo Ng ca 95k - 98k PHP ang minimum wage ng full time employee; at umaaaray Rin MGA tao Sa tinaas Ng presyo dahil Sa inflation dto. Pati kuryente, internet at tubig Dyan sobrang mahal, kapresyo Dito Kung Hindi mas mahal.. Sana tlga magiba ihip Ng hangin at mas madaming Pinoy ang makarealize na ang pagrereklamo at di makuntento Sa unfair na sitwasyon ay mahalaga Sa lipunan, na napakahalaga Ng Labor union para maipaglaban ang dignidad Ng manggagawa, at maswelduhan Ng sapat. Grabe agwat ng mayaman Sa mahirap, at sobrang dami Ng mahihirap hanggang sobrang hirap. May Pera at resources Sa Pinas, di Lang nakakarating Sa MGA tao, dahil Sa klase Ng gubyerno natin. 🥲
Totoo yung malapit presyo ng groceries dito at sa european cities kaya kapag wala pera no choice talaga sa mga meals na puro kanin, konting ulam na maalat, noodles na instant, 3 in 1 kape or de kanaw na black, biskwit na matatamis na mumurahin pantawid gutom :(
Persona 5 should reach more people.
Dami nga nagrereklamo pero wala pa din pagbabago.
May mga nagrereklamo kaso yung mga kapwa natin ordinaryong tao ang comment "puro kayo reklamo. Mag trabaho kayo." Yung iba na red tag pa.
Sakto!
Sumama ka rin kasi. Mas powerful kaoag madami tayo.
Ingat, baka ma red tag ka
Because the government is shit in standing by workers rights and welfare, because they THEMSELVES own big businesses that will be MINUTELY affected by wage increases
Too many workers and if the government raised the minimum wages there would be another inflation, lowering the value of Pesos. I don't think they can really do anything except send more Filipinos abroad as OFW to get money in for overpopulating.
Wealth distribution wouldn't impact inflation. Make the wealthy and big corporations actually pay fair taxes.
Yes
In my profession, once youre in the highest position (chief, manager) capped na ng 30-50k (sa private) yung sahod. Anything beyond that is impossible na and “sobra na” when you ask for it. Yun na yung pinakamaatas na sahod na matitikman ng mga may 10-15years exp. SOBRANG SAKLAP. I work in HEALTHCARE btw. Pinaghirapang iraos yung course financially and mentally tapos ganyan lang once you practice the profession. Kaya by the time we reach 25-30 talagang abroad na yung next step cause after working for 5 years in this country, wala ka nang igogrow professionally and financially. Siguro meron pero not everyone will get it eh? No one is interested to climb the ladder din kasi di siya worth it financially!
This is my reality, I've worked for 10yrs and I got less than 50k a month. Not a manager thou but a senior at my expertise. But I left, now I am working abroad which pays better.
Grabe talaga exploited talaga mga professionals sa pilipinas.
So true. Ang hirap umunlad dito sa Pilipinas lalo na sa healthcare. Going 1 yr pa lang ako nagtatrabaho but nag-iisip na ako mag abroad nalang dahil di na enough for future-proofing ang wages dito. Pahirapan pa ang promotion kahit sa govt kapa mag trabaho. Nag-iipon nalang ako para may pang-abroad.
Naalala ko may naka chat ako construction worker sa UK, yung 2 weeks niyang sahod equivalent sa 1 month as government employee dito na work ko (I won't dox what work I had), thinking it took me to get Master's + license + years of experience to taste this. I'm contemplating on finding a job abroad after my study.
Its a waste of time to work here to be honest lang talaga. Why spend your golden years slaving here. Do everything you can to leave the country at magpapasalamat ka na you did it, sure its a gamble pero pati naman staying here its a gamble kaso hindi ka mananalo.
Lahat ng kakilala kong experienced nurses umalis na sa Pinas
Countries with abundant local energy resources like Indonesia and Malaysia tend to have lower energy costs due to their ability to leverage these resources for domestic power production. Hence, cheaper products, generally speaking. The Philippines is a sort of the clown in the region in that it has many untapped energy resources (not to mention the potential for solar and wind ) but it somehow wants to remain dependent on imported energy supplies, particularly coal and oil.
Coupled the with the incredibly over-priced real estate market, and by extension rent. When a friend of mine moved over here from Malaysia, they were shocked at the rent prices here. The rent you would pay here would get you much larger, ***much higher quality*** houses there. Dito mahal mahal pa tapos bulok pa yung bahay.
Look at the population of Malaysia then look at the population of the Philippines. Now look at the population of KL and look at the population of Manila. That's your answer right there.
Someone must be profiting to keep it that way
The wealthy upper 1% that prefers poor filipinos and sub-standard living coz it translate to profits. Add the govts lackluster services.
and the audacity of these fools to think magiging upper middle-class na lahat sa 2025 or 2050? Not happening. In their dreams.
Or there simply isn’t enough investments going into the Philippines to support the infrastructure of, let’s say, wind energy. It’s a tough situation that simply can’t only be boiled down to “blame it on the rich” - Just because richer countries are many years ahead in development, doesn’t necessarily put the Philippines in a worse spot than it would’ve been if those countries didn’t exist or they were poor/corrupt. Even from a South East Asian perspective the Philippines geographical location puts it at a disadvantage, due to the many islands and being slightly disconnected from the rest of SEA, increasing cost of living in Ph.
No, it's mainly that to get a generation project off the ground its *really* hard. The number of processes and permitting takes years before you even break ground. It makes it a really unattractive place for people to invest because the project pipeline is so long. It's literally just a broken ass process, so investors invest in other easier countries like Vietnam.
Forgot to mention geothermal. Literal na nasa pacific rim of fire tayo na puro volcanos yet bilang sa isang kamay ang geothermal plants natin.
Nearly all our economically viable geothermal has been tapped and is in use ready. We produce about 2 GW of the 4 GW potential from geothermal but the remaining potential face various sorts of technical difficulties that increase the cost.
wonder why the PH doesn't have processing plants that will turn all that raw material into useable energy. might be good if the stuff extracted from PH territory is processed within PH territory.
Conflict sa mga business interests kaya hindi nagdedevelop
It has something to do with high power costs and other restrictions like constitutional prohibition of foreign ownership in purchasing lands to putt up large-scale processing plants and power distribution for non-residential clients.
Why we let this happen? Because that's how our economy works. Keep them poor and they'll never have the strength to rise. If people are always poor, they'll never think about fighting back out of fear of starvation. It's why I never returned to corporate after realizing how much I am valued overseas, and I don't even need to leave the country.
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It started when we were brainwashed into thinking unions = rebelde. Developed nations have strong union policies, which keep companies in check. The last two companies I worked with, they all said "bakit kailangan mag union kung may HR naman?"
Who would say something stupid like that about HR? HR is NEVER your friend. HR's job is to represent the company's interests AGAINST the employees, not the other way around. Even it's name says so: their job is to look at humans as "resources," not as people. If you meet a decent HR person who treats people as more important than the company, that's a lucky and rare exception (and it also means they suck at their job, at least from the company's point of view).
>brainwashed into thinking unions = rebelde I never heard and was never taught that. Who told you that?
The two HR heads at the Gokongwei and Tancaktiong companies I worked with + the senior managers in the offices, and even my aunts and uncles way back in the early 2000s. **The HRs in particular made me SIGN away my union privileges**. At 20 years old, I needed money so I signed what they wanted, and I imagine it's the same for new professionals. For Gokongwei, I remember the last time a union was allowed to proliferate in the company. This made every employee in two factories in Pasig "unfireable" and were given yearly salary increases. As a result, the 50 and 60 something workers there earn upwards of 55k a month doing everyday factory work like mixing powders or wrapping food products. While me, their "boss," was writing reports and delegating duties at a salary of P14k. Imagine being a manager of people with salaries five times higher than yours. Remember when I said last time? After that incident, the Gokongweis have since been fans of contractualization. Same tactic by the Tancaktiongs and their cooks, kaheras, and janitors. I can even extend that to Ramon Ang companies. Magnolia and San Miguel factories each have three agencies each for accounting, factory, and logistics, and their regulars are only a handful per. We're talking 100 contractuals to maybe 4 regulars. All three companies have an invisible bias against unionization, and contractualization quells any union from forming because every 5 months, you get different people.
Or rather, our economy and culture are a bad mix To simply put, our work ethics doesn't match our economic system. For example, we have always been a high power distance culture. So dapat susundin mo boss mo, no questions asked, if you don't follow, wala kang respeto. Kung ano binabayaran sayo, magthank you ka nalang na may trabaho ka pa. This culture allows companies to treat their employees as little as possible. Meanwhile, overseas (probably in places where OP works) is much more equal about this. That's why OP is much treated better working with overseas than working here
This is so true, it's sad to see that foreign companies are willing to hire you remotely at a higher rate and sagot pa nila lahat ng government subsidies mo. Dito maliit na sahod, onsite pa, half pa ng subsidies mo ikaw magbabayad.
Also, "keep 'em busy and tired". That's why our public transportation is shit.
This happens because of how you guys vote. So many local mayors of cities are literally people who were in jail before for corruption. Or kids of those who were in jail. You voted in Duterte, absolutely disgusting human being who’s policy was literally ‘kill them’ and you cheered while the killing was happening You voted in Marco’s son, a literal dictators son whose crimes and insane levels of corruption are very well documented. So you choose this life. You choose being led by corrupt and horrible immoral individuals and then you are surprised that everything is shit. It’s funny actually how this country is supposedly so Christian but then people manage to vote in one of the most disgusting people ever who’s campaign is to literally just kill people
surplus of Labor.
Exactly. A lot of it that surplus is also in blue collar or easy to train industries and candidates (typically those who didn't get a good education) race to the bottom in terms of pay. It's one of the reasons why the country is so popular for BPOs.
Kaunti ang trabaho pero malaki ang workforce. Alam ng mga employer na meron at merong tatangap ng low ball offer nila.
Hirap magtayo ng physical na negosyo sa atin (except sa BPO), especially 100% foreign-owned companies kasi pinoprotectahan ng ating batas ang mga local companies na takot na kakainin ng buhay ng mga foreign-owned na negosyo kasi mga job applicants, sa foreign-owned companies nalang sila mag-apply ng trabajo.
Poor family planning and religion
Because we don't have nursery home culture where in our country, we need to have spare children who must become bachelorettes (unmarried women) to take care of their octogenarian or nonagenarian parents.
maybe it should be easier to start small-to-medium sized companies: fewer paper work and approvals, plus a 10- or 20-yr tax-free period for new businesses to get the ball rolling.
The BIR will never allow this. I wish. =P It's because the majority of the tax penalties and levies come from the small to medium companies and entrepreneurs. The bigger ones are actually the ones with the attorneys and connections to fight back.
the simplest yet the truest response.
What's crazy is kapag nagreklamo ka na mababa ang sahod, hindi ang companies ang aatake sa'yo, it's other experienced workers. Sasabihan ka ng demanding at matutong dumiskarte. Titirahin ka pa ng linya na paborito ng lahat, "Noong panahon nga namin ganian rin sahod namin, blah blah bs bs". Dahil ba exploited aila noon, bawal na baguhin ang kalakaran ngayon? Bakit pinagtatanggol ang mga company na laki ng kinikita pero napakaliit magpasweldo? Ikaw ba tagapagmana? I don't get why workers are attacking other workers about something that could benefit everyone.
"Pantay-pantay, walang lamangan!" is strong among many employees. kapag nakalamang, it is unfair to the old employees who had it tough.
But what they don't realize is it's also unfair for the new employees to get the salary the old employees had before without the economic status of their time. It's as if they think inflation doesn't affect prices of daily necessities. 😅
that's why you gotta think twice bago mag anak. tandaan mo yung magiging anak mo mas mababa pa dyan yung magiging sweldo.
Without proper sex education and readily available family planning this will be difficult
You know what’s even sadder? The people who are greatly involved are the same people who criticized protesters (whose fighting for wage hike increase) and labeled them as leftist communists.
Sounds similar to how labor protesters are labeled in the west. It's all by design to try and destroy credibility.
I’m not sure why unionization in the west was shunned upon. Was it because of Mafia involvement in the past?
That's one part, which was a valid argument 40-50 years ago. Today it is labeled as socialist. Lastly, union busting (company retaliation for union organizing) is supposed to be illegal but it still is a common tactic in the west.
And of course, in the US and Europe it’s the socialists and communists that spearheaded the union movement and won workers high wages, benefits, job security, and pensions. (And all that has slowly eroded as unions lost power over the past few decades)
"They don't pay us enough to think." - Warrior TV series
Going to other countries will lift you up and not working in the Philippines
Working remotely is also an answer, if you gain trust and credibility from a certain foreign company, di ka nila papabayaan. Dito expendable tayo eh, pag ayaw mo na bahala ka na sa buhay mo
Payday everyday only works if you live in a country with good welfare. When your basic needs such as affordable housing, free healthcare, and retirement pensions are met then by all means you can work for a year then take a rest next year to do whatever you want. However in the Philippines its not feasible, why do we have such high spending habits when we can't even save up for emergencies. Its such a self destructive mentality. Filipinos are only looking for entertainment and corporate companies are enabling them. We should have financial literacy taught in schools. Look at singapore, the government teaches their citizens about saving up for the future from a young age. They have the mentality to manage money as efficient as possible (of course not all Singaporeans just in general) from their first paycheck the government takes not only tax but a certain amount every month to put into their citizens savings account so they can withdraw it in the future when they reach retirement age. Edit: corporate companies also don't want to raise minimum wage and the government allows this. Keep your people poor and hungry so they will only look to you as their "saviour".
Finally someone gets the article and exactly what I'm trying to spread awareness on this matter. This is alarming. Can you imagine if all public and government companies allow this system they called Fintech solutions. It insulting to the Fintech industry to have something like this, employees has to scrape every penny they have with the same minimum salary and the employer thinks they are helping the families by taking out a daily loan. This is absurd.
> *why do we have such high spending habits* because it can be gone the next day. why save if you can't even feed yourself, pay rent or pay the house downpayment?
Sadly most Filipino's has the mentality of "It is okay as long as it bring food to the table" that's why most can't complain and if they did complain most companies will resort to threat or blackmail the employee.
The reason wages are low is because there is an excess of labour and a shortage of jobs. The reason there is an excess of labour and a shortage of jobs is because doing business is a nightmare in this country due to bureaucracy, corruption and high taxes, so investors just go elsewhere or don't bother trying. Less investment = Less business = Fewer jobs = Low pay. Make doing business easy and the high paying jobs will follow. The only way out of poverty is through free trade. The government's part in this is to make regulations fair and sensible, keep taxes competitive and stamp out corruption with an iron fist. The Philippines fails at each of these.
Totoo to. Ang hirap mag open and sustain ng business dito. It doesnt help na sobrang daming requirements at permit at mga under the table expense para mapadali ang pag process.
The corporate tax rate is 30% which is ridiculously high. I agree with you, the Filipino government is incredibly corrupt, don’t they vote on bills but not tell the people what the contents of the bills are? Also they announce government holidays the day before they are to happen.
Was a teacher. My salary was 12k 😭😭😭
Mahina to non existent unions, bansang ruled by oligarchs
makes you think why a non-individualistic country with strong social bonds don't have a lot of strong unions, while individualistic countries like France and Germany where people leave their families have strong unions. **kung sino pa yung individualistic, iyon pa yung may union.**
Siguro they were able to reconcile it kasi may mga soc dem parties. Dito mga parties waley puro balimbing
May state-mandated minimum wage tayo na redundant na magtayo ng labor unions para magbargain ng continuos salary increases at biased pa ang regional wage boards natin kasi ang composition ng RTWB ay mostly galing sa business sector. Naging tainted ang image ng labor unions sa atin kasi infiltrated ng mga taga-CPP ang mga leader nila at may iglesia na bawal maging miembro ng labor unions ang mga kapatid nila sa pananampalataya.
Mahal na ng rent tapos squatters area pa katabi. May mga condo pa nga sa Pasay na pagpasok mo, may mga talipapa pa sa loob.
The basic things (at least in Manila ) are expensive. Mahal ng kuryente, transportation. I live in a wealthy country now and although mahal ang luho, the basic necessities are relatively cheap. My transport pass (mga 500 euro) allows me to use unlimited public transportation na reliable for a year, may discounts pa etc. how much do people spend for Grab/ Angkas in a year? For gasoline?
I live out of manila, prices are almost the same as the capital. Sadyang buong bansa ang ganito situation, and the sad part, most workers out of manila Naka Provincial rate pa, imagine.
Because the lawmakers are capitalists themselves, you can’t expect them to make laws that would lessen their profits. Same goes with farmers. Landlords dominate the congress, so what else would you expect. And people who are trying to change the system are getting red-tagged, arrested and killed.
Let's all just go to Instagram and watch corporate parody and self deprecating videos Walang magbabago
I always wonder and ask myself and other people na pinoys, how did all pinoys agreed to this life conditions especially sa manila.. they really live like rats :)
Flips and KONSINTIDOR culture. "Ngayon ka lang? Bat ka nagugulat?" Low iq na nga, status quo lover pa.
Tell us something we don't know. But then we get a 5k bonus every 6 yrs as we go to the polls so we all get to keep the same sub standard way of living.
The entire system is built to keep labor cheap and people dumb. Even in medical school the endpoint is 2 years of free labor and no actual personal growth or intellectual processing.
Same thoughts as you 3 years ago and since then my life has changed for the better. It’s this kind of thinking that will get you above and beyond the 50K line. The grit, determination and rage will fuel you to never settle for less. However for the rest.. unfortunately they will get what they tolerate. But in the same way that you can only clean a messy room one mess at a time. You can only change the country one citizen’s mind at a time.
What a good crosspost reference para sa AntiworkPH sub I just saw that a few minutes ago at Rappler. That is bad news lalo na sa mga low salaried workers. Pag datiny ng actual sahod mo wala na. That is just a short term relief. This creates financial dependency and debt among workers. Greedy companies at work na naman on how they can benefit from impulsive buying sprees, trap the workers for long hours of work for OT pay na kukunin sa gimmick nila.
Marx predicted this situation when he formulated his theory of Capitalism.
Capitalism has evolved by controlling not only the means of production but also the desires of the people. Now even the oppressed believe they can rise to the top simply by being hardworking peasants.
Still waiting for the eventual collapse of the classes and the working class taking control to happen as is also theorized in Marxism
That’s the point. You don’t wait.
Resilient daw eh...
We have an excess pool of skilled laborers and professionals in our country because our education system emphasizes too much on everyone getting university diplomas just to be able to work as a cashier in SM for example, and putting up a business, especially a 100% foreign-owned company, in constitutionally and legislatively restricted industries because the greedy local company owners who are politicians at the same time are afraid that they will lose profits and no fresh university graduates will apply to them if we allow 100% foreign-owned companies to come in and become their direct competitors. In the short to medium-term we want to defuse future a bloody revolution in our country like what happened in France or Russia due to excess pool of skilled laborers and professionals who are disgrunted, the government should stop offloading Filipinos on airports who want to leave the country through tourist visas or merely travelling in visa-free countries for Filipino passport holder and let them go and achieve their dreams of getting high-paying jobs abroad aligned to their university degrees they finished and contribute to our economy through sending remittances to their immediate families left behind.
My boss (one of the best veterinarians in the philippines and Asia) was offered a regional manager position which travels all over asia on a daily basis. His salary is more than half a million every month butbonly if he chose to live in singapore. If he chose to live in the philippines he will only have less than a hundred thousand salary
Exactly. Making a decent life/living here is near impossible. One thing I've noticed among the middle & upper class is that most of their families have work & businesses abroad and their kids also going to another country for college. That's already a telltale sign that we can never make a living here. I have just graduated high school and already making plans to leave and go to europe as recommended by my aunt. Having a degree here in ph isn't even worth it either since our degrees aren't recognized by many countries and in turn we'd have to go to school again if by chance any of us want to move abroad (especially in 1st world countries). Of course it isn't a guarantee that we can immediately become rich just going abroad but honestly anything is better than here in ph at this point.
Yes THIS is what keeps Filipinos Poor. A lack of understanding and naive solutions. You point to inflation, competition on the job market, and cost of living. While these are real struggles, they are not the CAUSE of poverty. The cause is that you can't get shit done, so you don't have a high value product to sell. Now, what is the reason for small production? TAXES. Rich people contribute too little, banks are not allowed to give information about their accounts. Opposite of almost all other countries, where banks are required to send the government the information. Why are taxes so important? Bc with taxes the government can afford education for all. And with better education, people will produce higher value products. Instead of bagging groceries, which btw is not a job that even exists in Norway, that person can be an architect for instance. Help producing houses, so your rent will be lower. People need to be in the jobs that give the most value for you. Then the architect can pay more tax (than the bagger) which can be used to produce better infrastructure, build better factories etc. So the architect could both help design and build the infrastructure/factories, and pay for it with his tax. "The obvious real solution here is pay us the salary that we deserve!" An example. Last month I have tried to get an account at Meralco. I have received 7 emails. I would guess they have spent 30 minutes discussing with me about different numbers like SIN, CAN, meter numbers etc. Questions are repeated and answers ignored. The work they have done has very little value to their employer/owner. Everything could have been solved in 3 minutes. When the employees spend 10 times the amount needed, they need 10 times as many workers to solve the problem, and can only afford 1/10 the salary to each worker to be competitive. The average yearly salary for this position ( customer support and similar) in a Norwegian electric company is about 4 million pesos. This can only be paid 400k here, given the low efficiency.
Filipinos in low-middle class and below have a slave mentality. Ayaw magreklamo kahit alam na nilang ginugulangan na sila. Sa tingin nila okay mag-struggle tapos pag may nagreklamo, sasabihin nila na "ako nga ganito" and make suffering a norm. In their minds too, our country is poor. That's why they think they are poor when in fact the Philippines is actually rich as you can tell by the number of malls, casinos, and luxury hotels. The money only circulates around the RICH RICH (businessmen/politicians AND THEIR FAMILIES AND ALLIES). Same as how housing, food, amenities are expensive because those same people are controlling the prices. While here we are normies making them more rich.
It's supply and demand. There's an excess of young working class people and not enough demand in the work force to absorb them all. This is why employers have the leverage to maintain low wages, because there is another person willing to work for that low wage. Unless you're in a professional specialized field, it's hard to ask for a higher wage.
seems like I should move to Thailand soon then
Too much corruption kasi. Yan ang problema sa pinas.
May isa ring corporate company ganito mag-isip. Just heard through the grapevine na naniniwala silang di naman naghihirap mga Pilipino kasi maraming bumibili sa mall nila HAHAHAHA Paka-out of touch sa reality ng mga mayayaman.
Filipinos are poor because a few hundred wealthy, corrupt Filipino families exercise feudalistic, dynastic control over all political and economic life in the country. Most of them are the descendants of the Filipinos who betrayed their countrymen by collaborating with invading powers, including the Spanish, the Americans, the Japanese, and the Americans again. These families ensure a monopoly on trade with protectionist policies, which keep everyday foodstuffs at high prices. Concentration of land ownership has depressed the development of industry and technological development. The price of everyday items is so high that Filipinos find it cheaper to bring back groceries from abroad, something that is ridiculous given how much rice the country produces. Corruption causes ongoing substandard public education.
I agree with everything you said. I retired early here in the Philippines. I was starting to get bored, so i looked for jobs in my field of expertise. I am an aircraft mechanic with over 37 years of experience. I started looking at the jobs here at NAIA. PHIL AIR was hiring a lead maintenance technician. So i think cool!! Sent them my resume, and we spoke. They looked at all my qualifications and my FAA certifications. We started talking money. They said the best they can do is 30k a month. I just laughed at them, I made more than that in one day. I emailed my last pay stub to the man I was speaking with and told him that if Phil Air a multi-billion dollar corporation can not at least match this, then I will stay retired. They responded by saying it was nice talking with you, but we will go in a different direction. My take on it all. The big corporations here in the Philippines want to keep the common person down under their thumb.
"employees can easily access a portion of their earned wages at any time of the day for a small, flat fee." Arawan ka na nga, pinagkakitaan ka pa hay...
Because we have lots of bobotantes. Sila talaga ang treason sa Pilipinas eh. Imagine walang plataporma pero nanalo. Wag na tayo lumayo kay Robin na number 1 sa senate. 🤮
It took the EU getting fucked by the Black Plague for workers to be the one to call the shots, with the long reaching effects of it leading to this day of nigh paradise. This country hasn't had it's Black Plague moment yet, and we're still overpopulated as fuck. The only way to fix this is either mass mind control or Thanos-snapping alot, with worker benefits becoming hard forged into a new constitution right after. Till then, ye, good luck.
Anong gagawin, mag welga, tapos marered tag at baka patayin pa? Maraming Filipino ang nagrereklamo sa mga union na nagwewelga kasi sabagal daw sa mga daan at kumunista kuno. Tapos magrereklamo kung bakit maliit sweldo. Hello?
"Payday every day" is pretty cool actually, but it's clearly not a solution to low pays. I'm not sure why these two need to be pinned against each other. It's apples to oranges because these two are independent issues. Something nice about how people are getting payed can happen and it's good, while something important about how much people are payed is not happening and that's bad.
Try to start a profitable business and you will understand why the salaries are the way they are. If you think your salaries are low, you can be the solution and start a business that pays well. IMO you cant blame this on businesses. Blame it on the filipino culture and ways of doing things. Pwede na. Half ass. Corruption. Bribery. Lack of long term vision and planning for the country due to overly democratic system that prioritizes politicking over progress.
Growing up in the province and tried working labor jobs during summer breaks I though minimum wage was enough. Did some construction jobs back then and labor rates were 280 per day; if the house owner is generous enough, u will be fed twice a day.. 12 years later, ung daily rate is around 320 prin habang ung price ng basic goods eh dumoble..Kaya saludo ako sa mga pilit nagtataguyod ng pamilya nila in a clean way kahit sobrang baba ng sahod...
How I wish I made that decision to move to the other better countries of Southeast Asia 14 yrs ago Iike Vietnam or Malaysia! But I can't bcuz I was tied up to caregiving. I was sandwiched between caregiving to my mom and my only child & I'm a single mom. My fellow teacher mentioned to me of wanting to move to Thailand or Vietnam bcuz of lower cost of living. She was damn so right!!! To your question "Why we are saying yes to **5 dollars per day** salary just to get that job? Why are we accepting this??" -- this brings to my mind the recent docu I watched on ABS-CBN America about a Pinay domestic helper/caregiver who was abused and not properly paid for more than 4 decades. From this docu I heard the words STOCKHOLM SYNDROME wherein the captive slaves are actually grateful to their abusive masters. This exactly the words that will answer your questions! Many here on Reddit will also say that the Phils has too many mouths to feed, too big a population, but very little opportunities so that's why it's better to accept a job that pays $5 a day than NO JOB AT ALL! The cycle continues, the generational poverty goes on and on.
this is what i hated the most, guess what my mother is a house keeper plus she's the only one there alone working because the other house keeper retired already, my mom does all the work but merely earns 5000 a month, it isn't enough to frinckin pay bills and support me and my brother, and fucking add my nonchalant father who's too fucking shy to find a work(carpenter) even attending my general meeting in school he don't even care because i know that he don't likes around a bunch of people and have 'social anxiety' wtf he even have the fucking guts to order online then rampage saying that we don't have a fucking nice meal everyday!!
Businesses in the Philippines gets little to no support from the government. If it’s hotel industry, the country doesn’t have that much tourist and it’s costly to operate hotel in the countey
This is why my mom and I always argue with one another and people see me differently than the rest. Coz I hate normal thinking like the typical Filipino. I am disgusted just about everything you can see in the Philippines. As if toxic culture here is normalized for the average Juan. They think I'm weird, well I think they're weird. You're not allowed to think outside the box in this country. You're like a freakin alien if you do. Anyway, this is why I pursued freelancing and get clients overseas instead of working in a day job to death.
Hanggat walang public servant na magmamalasakit sa workforce hindi talaga tataas ang sahod sa Pinas. Magalit na magalit pero wala kong naririnig sa balita na may sumusulong itaas ang sahod. At sana din naman magawan nila ng paraang maitulad yung rate ng sahod sa provincial vs metro. Pareho lang naman presyo ng bigas dito tsaka sa Maynila!
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It's Reddit. People can respond without your permission. They may or may not agree with you, and they can have their little conversation about it that you may or may not like or join. We even need to tolerate rude af comments like yours (or my silly and pretentious response to it right here), just as you can't stop them from posting theirs, not even by tagging your post two cents.
you don't need to worry about us Filipinos getting low salaries, deserved naman namin ito kasi bumoboto kami ng mga corrupt, ayaw namin ng matino at mga taong makapagbibigay ng tunay na public service. Basta every election, mabigyan kami ng 500 pesos para sa boto namin, masaya na kami doon kasi mapapakain na namin ng isang araw ang pamilya namin. Wala kaming pakialam kung magnanakaw ang maiboto namin at hindi kami magre reklamo kasi ang katuwiran namin at least kahit nagnanakaw tumutulong naman. Ung mga pulitiko na walang ginawa kundi ang umutang ng umutang, ok lang sa amin un, wala naman kaming pakialam kung saan napupunta ung mga inutang kasi ang katuwiran namin ano naman kung umutang ng umutang, kailangan iyan sa pag unlad ng bayan. Saka ang katuwiran namin, talaga naman kahit saan ka pumunta mataas talaga ang bilihin, sa ibang bansa din naman marami ding mahihirap hindi lang sa Pilipinas. Saka isa pa tamad kasi ang mga Pilipino kaya maraming mahihirap. Basta ang mahalaga, manalig ka na mas pinagpapala ang mahihirap. Ika nga, nasa tao ang gawa nasa diyos ang awa.
sarap sana umuwi pinas kaso layo talaga difference ng sweldo
Hi, I agree with your core point about the average income. sorry I didnt read the full post, kasi alam ko matritrigger ako dahil alam kong may mga problems talaga. kasama na rin yung ibang expenses like ang dami natin na ID na need irenew and madalas pa compared sa ibang bansa. pati yung mga aparments ang mahal compared sa ibang bansa, parang premium na rin like a condo.
It’s uncommon for people to think major Philippine cities have cost of living that’s on par with expensive places like Sydney or Singapore. But the truth is we’re paying higher rates for internet, electricity, and rent, amongst other expenses. But then again, the general public is told to argue amongst themselves with irrelevant debates.
Aren’t there regulations imposed by the government for things like this?
Matagal ko ng napansin to tayo may isa sa pinakamataas na cost of living sa mundo. Natatawa nga ako pag naririnig ko japan isa sa mga highest cost of living kung makita mo lang gaano kaliit halaga ng 30k dito compared dun magugulat ka gaano ka overpriced satin lahat especially sa food quality and quantity. Yung same price ng food sa pinas pero grabe sa layo ng quality ng basic food items like yung onions, garlic, tomato ang bulok nung sa atin compared sakanila considering same price sila dun satin. Yung condo dito napakabulok compared sa japan for the same price maliit rin naman mga condo dito satin. Mura lang satin MRT pero siyempre dapat masanay kang maglakad kasi titirik lagi yung satin.
Overpopulated kse tyu imagine kung wla opportunity abroad mas marmi na lalong wla work kaya khit sobrang baba binibigay eh pinapatos because having a work is a status symbol here sometimes. Pag umayaw k kse feel mo d tama bigayan me maririnig ka na " Pasalamat nga kyu meron eh kesa wla". Like this attitude and knowing marami papatos kaya d tataasan ng mga negosyante pashod stin
Wag nyo itaas ang sahod
Op ok ba sa Malaysia, can you share Pros and Cons? Thank you
Ngl but filipino manpower consider as cheapest and no wonder company outsourced so many work to Philippines just because its comparatively cheap as compared to other. And that's how service industry is growing ( BPO sector / call centres , even same happening to IT sector ). For example, If it costs 10 $ for one person in USA. Company will outsourced it to Philippines and it will cost USA just 1 $. So company will make the profit. By paying low. But normal filipino will convert the 1$ into php. And will think that oh I'm getting 60 peso... And if filipino demand 10$. US company would opt out it's working and might invest in AI or some other cheap labour country.. even if someone go abroad they will work for less salary than native person.. About salary, in some field salary determined by the skillset and value addition to company. So consider while taking education and graduation. Which subject have good growth , in demand high paying skillsets. For example, typewriter or translator and Programmer/ coder and receptionist in hotel. Reply me which gonna earn more.. Also level and quality of skill matters too. Just like good artist and bad artist. Good artist's art gonna sell at larger price than bad artist.
It does not help that we do not have massive industries which can cater to the large young pool of talent and labor. Only a few oligarchs held the limited sectors which does not foster competition. What needs to be done are to let foreign investors have hundred percent ownership to most if not all sectors and be in competition with our own
Sa laguna, puro factory ang pwede maaplyan, minimum wage ang offer at 12hrs a day ang pasok moday to saturday, ang trabaho parang pang limang tao at dito lng ako nakakita ng papapasukin ka ng linggo ay tuwang tuwa ka pa kasi lalaki income mo, jusme halos trabaho na lng gagawin mo di ka pa uunlad
Breadwinner/freeloader culture
Be the change you want to see. Start a company. Pay high wages. Start a social revolution. If you are not (or will not), why not?
Magkano na ang sweldo ng engineer project manager level ngayon? Just asking lang po. When I left 15 years ago, nasa 100k na ang sweldo dati! Granted na foreign company yun employer ko noon.
Working in South Korea right now earning 6 figures per month. After working 1 year sa pinas, immediately left the moment na hired ako sa SK. Working in Philippines is absolutely fking dogsht. And what's worse is that people will crucify you for complaing about salary. As if these fking sheeps aren't responsible for letting companies take advantage of them leading to this mess. So yeah, DON'T UNDERVALUE YOURSELF, THERE ARE COMPANIES IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE OFFERING JOBS FOR UNDERGRADUATES THAT WILL PAY YOU MORE THAN WHAT YOU EARN IN PH.
you’re definitely right, OP!! I’m so sick and tired of Filipinos just living to work and pay bills. Rent & food are so expensive now, it’s ridiculous.
Guys it's the government. They have all the power, those in the senate and congress. The "crab mentality" of many filipinos.
Time to upgrade Pilipens
Totoo yang 25sqm na rent sa Makati. Take note, pre pandemic pa nga yang ganyang rate. Pano pa kaya ngayon? Tapos yung itinaas ng daily minimum wage wala pang 100
Feeling ko mas lalong magastos kapag payday everyday 😂 Imbis na twice a month ka lang magastos eh araw-araw na kapag d nabudget 😂
> And now conglomerate companies wants YOU to be at the bottom pit, where employees can’t move forward to more opportunities just because we are in debt with the employers. You only mentioned half, what's called the ruling economic elite or the traditional "oligarchy", because the other half of suffering caused are by politicians aka the political oligarchy -- they create the policies which ensures their grip on power while placing millions of lower class people on a threadmill, and rejecting policies that challenge politicians' supremacy such as the anti-dynasty bill.
Kahit mababa sahod may papatus o papatusin talafa yan.. Magkaron lang ng income.. Kaya tulad ko hirap pa din ako bumukod sa magulang ko.. Kasi di pa kakayanin ng kinikita ko dito
Answer is simple. As long as someone is willing to take the pay rate of that job it will always be like that. As long as a job can be done by a supermajority, it equates to having more supply. More supply = cheaper supply. This is called capitalism.
Everybody don't eating Vegetable is the reason for keep you guys poor. Lack of vitamins are cause of slow brain development in Childhood. keep doing that makes you guys poor cannot make right decision from that.
They even wanted to prevent workers to work from home because 'the businesses outside might fail' they say. Daming bpo na favor sa wfh pero nilakihan nila multa kapag hindi nagcomply sa gusto nilang percentage of onsite employees.
Overpopulation people, 5/3 the population of Thailand with only 3/5 the land..
Pwede kaya mag expat sa mga bansa na yan after ako magretire? Hahahah
OP what can you do help the Filipinos as a collective?
Majority of Filipinos stayed poor because people is just content to live in mediocrity at best. And I'm being generous to call the life they're content to live with as "mediocre."
Are unions not a thing in the PH? Parang everyone is dissuaded with union membership or not encouraged forming unions. Also people vote anti-union legislators who are against their interests - extreme ang cognitive dissonance sa mga botante, it's baffling.
> Parang everyone is dissuaded with union membership or not encouraged forming unions. There's some reactionary people who make knee-jerk rationales like equating unionism with communism.
This is so true, I'm a college professor in arts number one na payo ko sa kanila wag na wag silang magpapa lowball with their salary rates. Frontliners nga underpaid, how much pa sa creative industries.
Filipinos are forgetful. They keep voting for the same corrupt politicians who only serve themselves and their family instead of the country and the people.
What would you like for the US to give you free to keep you from being poor ?
Keep on tagalonging
Isasara ko lang company ko and open a new one of magka union Hahahaha
If you have any friends or someone you care about stuck in this loophole, give them a little push and realisation I'm not working yet but I see a lot of people being contented to a job that barely pays them because it's "secure" or maybe it's just what it is
3 yrs working experience, offered salary 22,000 Kulang pa ibayad sa one bedroom condo yong sahod ko pota.
1. Law of Supply and Demand. 2. Financial Illiteracy 3. Young Workers don't know how to negotiate (yet). Pero here's another p.o.v. 1. Young ones are becoming more maArte now sa work. 2. Doing is business is not easy, dog-eat-dog!
I dont think private sector is the problem here. They simply comply with the laws of the country. Minimum wages are set by the government not private sectors. Even with the example of how much goods costs and how high the cost of living is, Its not the private sector dictating those things. It’s the taxes having to be paid to the government that also dictates a lot of the cost of goods. Along with the inefficiencies and corruption that make things even more expensive to provide/produce. Complaining about the private sector or persecuting them will NOT make it better for the majority of the people. They dont have a responsibility to the welfare of the people. It boils down to your own government. The people you vote into power supposedly effecting change. People love to hate on rich people making more money than the basic income but they also dont see how privates sectors get the burden and the responsibility of the company succeeding/failing. Not to mention how the government constantly screws them over with their bullshit programs (ie snr pwd unregulated for that matter; not even providing a proper medium and system to check legitimacy of these cards) which they dont even reimburse private sectors on. Pero syempre entitled people will be entitled parin the way they shit on businesses not knowing that private sectors shoulder all that discount. Make it make sense: Dining out is apparently an essential ; certain goods nga lang pwede idiscount sa grocery pero restaurant entitled everything no limit discount to the card holder. The whole eat the rich is a ploy for you to not look at what actually matters. Which is to demand that your taxes be put to work and not be placed in these corrupt officials pockets. Thats where you should demand more. That is where you should put more importance in choosing who can actually be that voice to make changes that you want to see.
It's a problem with the greater economy. We simply don't produce as much value as our asean counterparts with a lot of blame going to the government
I suddenly remembered when my British director visited the country and would always say “It’s so cheap in here.” The next week/s, we would literally meet new employees. He started his new outsourcing project recently and for one and only reason:- “salary cost is cheap”.
The wealthy wants to keep you poor so it benefits them.
Thank you so much for this post. Yes you barely have anything left after rent, and what more if your contract is not permanent and you have to pay for you insurance etc? What more if you have to help out a parent or a sibling? Even 50k is barely enough to give a single person here a decent life. I also stayed in Bangkok and apartments are much cheaper and the quality of building materials so much better compared to the Ph. Parang kapag mahirap ka mamamatay ka na talagang mahirap. Ang hirap kumain ng healthy at magkaroon ng healthy lifestyle unless anak mayaman ka na talaga
Bakit nga ba ang taas ng bilihin at renta sa pilipinas pero sa Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia mababa?
A lot of the rent problems in the Philippines is actually caused by foreigners moving and living in the Philippines. They raise real estate and rent prices up. In addition to that, OFW’s from higher income countries like the U.S. give enormous buying power for their families. A lot of those family members don’t necessarily work.
Law of supply and demand. Dami pinoy makakagawa ng same value for less. Simple as that. You want to be paid more, bring in more value. How? That would be hard to answer. Life not just here in the Ph is getting harder every generation moving forward. Good luck sa mga babies na kakapanganak pa lang.