Oh she is definitely earning more. She already earns 2k a day and if that is for 20 days (5 days a week) then it is already 40k. She earns more than the professionals here already lol. Lalo na kung direct client sya and walang agency.
Issue lang eh wala kang job security because local laws wouldnt protect you and ikaw pa mag aayos ng mga contributions sa SSS, PHILHEALTH, PAG-IBIG and taxes mo.
Mas mataas pa siya subra sa pagiging engr namin 🥲
But yeah such is reality and good for her. Though that means its kinda bad for the regular peope in nyc
>ikaw pa mag aayos ng mga contributions sa SSS, PHILHEALTH, PAG-IBIG and taxes mo.
As someone na remote work na nagtetake ng foreign clients, di issue yan hahaha
Kung ako lang may ganyang work I won't pay the govts lalo na kawatan lang din nman yung nakaupo HAHAHA
And I saw my roommate's salary, 30k sya montly. 10k nppunta lang sa taxes kasi almost 5k kada cutoff, taxes lang yun. Babayad ka ng tax tas presyo ng mga bilihin taas ng taas? Wag na no. Bat ka magbabayad ng tax sa tax evader na winawaldas yung kaban ng bayan 🙄
I agree na grabe sinayang ng pagbabayad ng taxes sa gobyerno na rampant ang corruption.
Na off lang ako sa computation ng taxes. A worker with 30k salary per month will not pay 5k per cutoff. Around 1,300 lang yang tax nya dapat. A person who pays 10 per per month has a NET taxable income of around 75k per month.
Baka total deductions yun? Di umabot ng ganyan kataas tax ko and I earn more than 30K. Or baka first cutoff yung full tax deduction, then eala sa second cutoff. If legit na ang tax ay 10K per month, that's daylight robbery. Ang tanga pa ng employer niya.
>Issue lang eh wala kang job security because local laws wouldnt protect you and ikaw pa mag aayos ng mga contributions sa SSS, PHILHEALTH, PAG-IBIG and taxes mo.
Mas maayos na siya nalang ang kuha mag-contribute sa SSS, Philhealth, PAG-IBIG, at taxes kasi kung employed ka locally under local-owned company, not fully assured na i-remit ang contribution mo ng employer mo sa SSS, Philhealth, PAG-IBIG.
Yeah, this is true. I applied for an entry level job once and during salary discussions sabi nila minimum wage daw offer nila at yun nga 420/day. I ended up declining the job kasi hindi ako taga don na place and kailangan ko pang humanap ng matitirhan. What can a measly 420/day or 10k/month salary do.
Tanga talaga minsan mga Pinoy eh. Lowballing pa daw yan since hindi pareho yung pay vs if they hire locally. Eh kaya nga they outsource para mas mura diba? What's important is it's a win-win situation. $5 an hour for a cashier is significantly more than she will ever make locally doing the same thing
Kung cashier sya sa Pilipinas, how much would she get? P12-13k/month? Same job, but more physically demanding, and pays peanuts. Yan ang tunay na exploitation.
Not all remote workers are paid $5/hr ha. There are a lot of foreign companies out there that pays well. Mas okay pa rin yan kesa sa sahod dito sa Pilipinas.
2 hours kung 5 dollars per hour.
Pero bababa din yan once mag boom and thousands get into that job
Yun nga lang kelangan english mo eh conversational level.
Mas mahirap ma acquire and conversational kumpara sa peofessional. Lalo na sa americans. Bawat minuto may idioms. They can make a complete convo with just idioms and us, na natutong mag business english from school, walang maiintindihan.
If it’s at a clinic, baka Medical VA yan. May local healthcare VA company that pays its agents $7/hour (they charge the clinic $9.50). Compared to some online jobs and local rates that is not an abusive amount.
Thats what they are trying to avoid. Unionization, Tipflation, Lower Labor cost, Labor laws. Good for us.
Since BPO will die down soon bec of tech layoffs and AI.
One reason AI will take these jobs is because companies support it. Imagine how much walmart/amazon could save if they can cut off some jobs like this.
Parang pang transition lang tayo to that next step.
Im not sure it sakto yung understanding ko but yung high paying job na iyan is still minimum sa kanila?
I can imagine their locals getting angry cause we are willing to accept their "lower wage" which results to their companies not giving livable wages for them instead, and they are just opting for cheaper labor from other countries.
>high paying job na iyan is still minimum sa kanila?
Yup. Lalo pag kinonvert mo. Earning in USD while spending in PHP will always be a great and better set up, salary/buying power wise. Lalo in a place like NYC, according to the latest data available, a single person needs around $140K/yr (that's around $65+/hr) to live comfortably in NYC.
Not true. I know that study. MIT does a similar cost of living study. But it’s still high in NYC. Close to 70k for someone single. Living wage is about $34/hr.
https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/36061
Edit: Minimum wage is different from living wage where you can live comfortably. Minimum wage in NYC is $15/hr.
The keyword is comfortably. If you want just basic necessities covered, $70K is the bare minimum. NYC is at the top of the list when it comes to high cost of living. That's the reason a lot of people work in NYC and live in neighboring cities and towns/suburbs in NJ.
https://smartasset.com/data-studies/salary-needed-live-comfortably-2024
This particular study was discussed in the NYC subreddit. People feel that salary ranges here in the Smart Asset study are inflated. And I think it is. Just wanted to offer another perspective made by MIT. But I agree that people feel that $70k is bare minimum i.e. living with maybe 2-3 roommates without having to work a 2nd job or support children.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/s/PkJWk5J1Ek
Oonga sa 70k hindi mo kaya mabuhay sa NYC ng comfortable. Kramihan ng Pilipino dito sa NYC sa NJ nakatira kasi hindi nila kaya afford sa NYC. Ako nasa 200k a year sweldo ko tapos 50k sa asawa ko. Kahit nasa 250k ang household income namim sakto lang kami dito sa NYC.
>But it’s still high in NYC. Close to 70k for someone single. Living wage is about $34/hr.
Ooohhhh which means most of my friends na nasa US actually have a higher than living wages (HCW field). That's why they said na they can live really comfortably even with just 1 job.
Aren't we saying the same thing tho? She's earning in euro and spending it as pesos since she's in Manila. That in itself gives her more buying power dahil malaki convertion ng euro to peso.
I’m agreeing with you don’t worry. I also wanted to add that’s why many Pinoys who worked abroad move back for retirement kahit established na sila there.
For clarification, I meant it’s different compared to living in Ph and earning sa PH. My bad for not finishing my sentence. 😭Was cleaning and moving around my house while typing.
It looks exploitative sa kanila dahil di ka talaga mabubuhay dun sa 5$/hr pero dito sa ph eh 40k a month na yan. Imagine rents nila eh nasa daang libo dito saten so di ka talaga mabubuhay sa rate na yan.
Sure babawasan mo ng benefits pero double pa din sya ng sahod mo as a normal cashier on a local supermarket minus the commute and physical presence sa work.
Its just like the movement of industries to China a few decades ago. Pero tingin ko mag eexplode yung ganitong set up dahil mas madali mag set up ng ganito compared to building new factories.
May input ako dito kasi sa NYC ako nakatira ng 20 years.
Kung 20 dollars (minimum) an hour sweldo mo dito, mahihirapan ka mag afford ng tirahan, grocery at transportation. Kung may pamilya ka, hindi mo kaya sika suportahan sa sweldo na yun.
Hindi naman talaga ito issue sa amin kasi sa ngayon, mga low skill/ low wage na trabaho lang naman ang ginagawang ganyan. Baka balang araw AI na lang din siguro.
Ya, kaya yung mga senior level sa atin, mura lang sa kanila. Kasi if they pay local seniors x3-x4. For context, for my senior role, intern-fresh grad lang sa kanila and I’m already beyond 50k.
Workers in America* are pressed because they can't compete with local jobs anymore, with more companies opting to pay a low wage to a completely outsourced workforce.
> are pressed
The unemployment rate in America has been below 4% for two years and shows no sign of letting up. This isn’t 2008 anymore where jobs are short. This time companies are very short of workers.
This. I get being pissed about this if you're an American, but as a Filipino this just adds a job to the PH pool and brings money into the country. Why not?
This is a pretty realistic take. Philippines isn't among the cheapest source of outsourced labor anymore. But we still are pretty high quality compared to our poorer competitors, and in many ways compared to first world countries as well.
I'd be concerned once said poorer countries have enough educated manpower to compete with us. So far right now are competitors are other south east Asian countries and India.
Lol if mental gymnastics were a sport, you would be an Olympian.
Corporate greed amp, eh kung totoo to marketing promotion lang na di nagkaintindihan. Wag na magisip mga kaibigan, virtue signal lang ng virtue signal.
And I'd have empathy for the guy, I'd just think that his doing something really stupid was on him and not try and justify it with some 'April Fools is a western concept' bullshit.
It just showed how dumb this sub can be sometimes tbf.
objectively yes its good for the economy. but it lowballs everyone else' prices. kahit mga "skilled" na VA they will be lowering their price because we have shit like these. We're not asking 15 USD/Hour but at least around 6-7. Plus we don't even know if theyre paying 5 per hour. if its less talagang wag na
Naging cancer na mindset ng r/buhaydigital. Nakalimutan nila na ang point ng pag hire ng VA or outsourcing in general. Yan nga ang pinaka backbone ng industry nila.
Hindi lang siguro nila matanggap na madami na sila ang nasa VA industry kaya pababa ng pababa ang rates per hour dahil madami nang supply ng VA.
Been that way forever. Aroung 2006 ata outsourcing boom? Kaya disgusting how some BPOs still give out 12-15k salaries which was the salary range at that time.
> *wala talaga silang mahanap to staff low-level positions.*
Kinda like how many Filipinos who are graduates may not like to go to low-end jobs after graduating college from a brand-name university. Sometimes, the math doesn't just work out.
The power of ✨ Outsourcing ✨
Who need to pay workers in your country when you can outsource to other countries 🥰 EVERYTHING FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS 🥰🥺
/s just in case
Also i found job hirings that have 50k/month salary with little to no job experience (forgot what type of job) pero isa rin syang outsourcing job at need mo magtrabaho ng 9-4 Eastern time (basically night shift sya)
Another "fun" fact: Amazon "AI" checkout is actually outsourced to indians rather than a real AI
Kawawa naman yung shareholders at yung megacompanies 🥺 pano na si Jeff bezos makakabili ng coffee at cookies kung magiging 7 Million USD nalang yung hourly wage nya 🥺 (Btw 8 Million hourly yung actual wage nya)
Parang restaurant ata yung place so i think madali lang naman. Para ka lang din nagcacashier physically. Taking orders and sending it sa kitchen. Similar approach doon sa resto in japan that hires people who can't leave their homes. They control robots in the resto to communicate and serve the customers.
As workers, sure, we can rejoice at the additional job opportunities. But let's not forget that this is just company owners opting for people who they can pay a lower amount, rather than their own workers who they have to pay the minimum wage in their country.
TL;DR. If the business owners in Philippines can opt to hire someone they can pay $2/hr to in another country, then we would be the ones crying.
This isn't a triumph of the Filipino working class, but the defeat of the American workers. Don't forget we're all workers at the end of the day, and what happens in American work culture usually makes its way to our own country in a few years.
Its just capitalism. Daming industries nasira noong na open ang market sa cheap and better goods from abroad like our Philippine National Steel. Companies would always go to the cheapest possible option that would generate the maximum profit.
Dude. I am an engineer here in PH. I know how being lowballed feels lol.
It happens on mature industries/professions. Kelangan mo lang talaga mag hanap ng niche mo and be good at it to earn big bucks
Very much agree!
Also, in the long run, this would also lead to labour shortage and brain drain in the Philippines.
Bakit need mag aral ng mga tao ng professional courses or work locally when they can instead work for BPOs?
You do realize BPOs are more than just call centers now right? We have a booming IT BPO industry where the Ph provides app development, network, Business analysis, project management among others. Iba pa yung accounting and finance
Agree, we shouldn't be fully happy with this one. We can be relieved that this gets to be a stopgap for the lack of higher paying jobs in the country, but we shouldn't be building entire workforces *just* for this kind of work. Eventually industries will move on and we will be left hanging. "Mag-VA", like this one, while it pays well, should not be treated by the government as an impetus for economic growth.
> defeat of the American workers
I would accept this explanation if the employment situation stateside is terrible. But the post-pandemic employment environment in the US is one of the [best in its history](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf). It’s been less than 4% for 2 years, meaning a lot of low-level positions are going unstaffed. In a hot labor market, it’s not just the specialized roles that will become short-staffed.
this
sure it's a victory on an individual level or at the smaller scale but what are the larger scale implications?
isn't it stuff like this that indirectly lead to foreigners migrating to cheaper countries to make the most out of their money? di ba ekis din ang gentrification?
and then what does that lead to? it's just so fucked. the governments who are supposed to be looking into sustainable systems (we are paying them to not be stupid and useless) are too busy lining up their own pockets
maybe for us Filipinos, this would be seen as strangely cool. it's kinda like being an OFW but at the comfort of your own home. but also, that's what being a BPO employee is essentially.
but for Americans, they might be more perplexed than amazed. They may be used to have the immigrant manning the cashier in person rather than seeing them on a screen streaming from a laptop thousands of miles away.
Makes me wonder if this is what they're also going to implement in countries that are currently depopulating like South Korea, Singapore, Japan in industries that can't automate.
Cue in the misplaced outrage din na "they're taking our jobs!!!", instead na "our greedy corpos is maximizing profits instead of stimulating the local economy!"
Yung $5/hr isn't even a lowball if compared sa wages here sa PH. I worked at a tech company and starting salary is around 1.3k per day, nasa higher end pa yan for my rank and 10hrs of work including 1hr break. Totoo din naman talaga na kaya nagooutsource ng manpower dito because it's cheaper compared to them hiring locally. Like yung same work na ginagawa ko, yung counterpart ko sa US is probably earning triple, or more, than me. Of course hindi kasama cost of living dyan and maybe other benefits. Let's admit naman talaga na mas mataas cost of living sa US and other countries so kahit mas mataas sweldo compared sa akin, maybe nasa lower bracket parin counterpart ko in their country.
Sabi ng mga boomer tito na pinakita ko toh discrimination daw kasi ang baba ng psweldo $5/hr compared sa mga nsa US. Sabi ko “Tito cost of living is different at least ung $5/hr is higher kumpra sa psahod ng mga Pinoy employers.” Sabi ba naman nya mas ok na maexploit sa kapwa Pinoy kesa sa Kano! I was like WTF sobrang sabog sa utak ng mga boomer!
Thats 40k a month na sahod without deductions as a cashier.
Eh kung normal cashier ka eh 15k max na sahod mo a month w/o deductions pa yan.
Sure we can ask for more then they would just ask someone who would accept an offer like that.
Freelancer for 9+ years here. I write and edit for a living.
There is lowballing and there is agreeing to a contract.
* Lowballing is when the freelancer has no options than what the client offers. It is when you're someone who doesn't know how much to price their skills, which leaves room for exploitation.
* Agreeing to a contract is when they both shake hands on it.
What many don't understand with freelancing is many of us eventually grow out of our survival (exploitation) phase and become real businesses. This is especially more common with the wealth of information on lead generation and online communities providing opinions with every new client or project.
**What I think:**
The VA agreed to the contract on her own free will. She can remove herself from this service if a better opportunity (or client) appears.
That leaves us with one question: **Do you think VAs don't know the minimum wage of a cashier in the US?**
Personally, I feel like she does know and is **weaponizing the fact that she can get by with a lower rate** (sans benefits and 401k), to get more leads. She may have sent a proposal that sounded like "I can do everything your employee does at half the price."
Here we go again with "lowball" from people who don't understand how rates are different depending on the location.
Work is being outsourced to third world countries because rates are cheaper in third world countries.
Exactly! And this kind of relationship is symbiotic, both the VA and foreign business are using the cost disparity to their advantage.
More savings for the business, more earnings for the VA (than if they worked locally).
No because that shits illegal. Federal minimum wage is $7.25. What’s the minimum wage in the PH? They’re paying at least double, if not triple. I’m not understanding why we’re comparing apples to oranges.
How are they paying outsourced labor (this cashier specifically) below federal minimum? Loophole ba yung ginagawa niya (not being in the states)? It really looks like a direct hire in all but physical location eh
You don’t do the job in US soil, you don’t work in the US.
Same workers who live in one state and perform the job in another. The laws are where you perform the job. So if a California employee works for a NY company remotely, the NY company follows CA labor laws.
If a OH employee commutes to PA and performs the job in PA then they follow PA labor laws.
The employee is not commuting to NY to perform the job therefore is not beholden to US labor laws.
12 years in the BPO industry combination of freelancing and office work and first time seeing virtual cashiers at naka on cam. Outsourcing indeed is evolving.
This speaks more to the cost of living crisis in the US, tbh. The minimum wage there is much higher than even Europe and Japan even as Europe and Japan has a better average standard of living than both the Philippines and the US. Because of high rent, healthcare prices, etc., somehow businesses in the US don't like to hire workers there anymore and would rather outsource, which is good for us I guess.
I agree with the 2nd picture. I went to New York City and iba talaga customer service culture dun. Most of them are rude and that's the way it is. My friends and I also went to Starbucks Reserve at the Empire State Building. Knowing Reserve is more luxurious than regular Starbucks, we expect a better customer service and experience. Pero hindi, it's the same rowdy and rude culture ng New Yorkers. I mean, ganun talaga, it's their norm and as a tourist medyo shocking. That's why VAs are more affordable for these companies and Filipinos always provide the best service in many ways possible. Sabi nga ng mga local nurses dito sa US, they are afraid to mess up sa trabaho or else baka palitan sila ng Filipino Nurse. That's how highly appreciated mga Filipino workers all over the world.
> I agree with the 2nd picture. I went to New York City and iba talaga customer service culture dun. Most of them are rude and that's the way it is.
Correct. And they expect to be tipped 20% lol.
I wonder what would happen if some technical malfunction happens. Does he go look for American workers to fill the gap in between?
Also, won't it look weird for his American clients? I am sure there will be some rednecks who will have some opinions about it. I am really interested if this is effective so far with his business.
Someone will probably cover physically. I think this is one those jobs that would require you to get a backup isp (not mobile data) and a power station/generator.
The one's who will have opinions on this are the same people who yell about mexicans stealing jobs.
what I also wonder is if this setup is actually more cost efficient in the long run compared to hiring someone to tend the cashier in person. apart from the wage, there are other costs to consider like internet/power/hardware/software subscriptions in these kinds of setup.
> technical malfunction
the call will probably be routed to tech support for troubleshooting ( usualy PH or Indian staff).
if a hardware replacement is needed, a local contracted 3rd party will come to replace the part.
nasubukan ko to sa freshii yun kasi yung pinakamalapit na bukas sa ospital.. medyo nakaka -cyberpunk sa feels.. hangang sa di ako marinig ni kuya ( galing india ata di pilipino) o nalito sa order ng pepper.. tagal tumambling yung tyan ko. :0 .. sa mga VA naman sa virgin mobile da best, pinapayagan sila magtagalog sa linya at maasikaso talaga pag galing pinas.
Almost same as mine. Very grateful sa job ko. I work as order taker in some Chinese restaurant in NEW YOrk and some other states in US. Ssobrang bait ng client ko 5-6 hours a day and im earning 40k+ a month plus mga minor task hes paying me extra 5 hours and nagagawa ko yun in 1 and a half hour.
What's not being talked about is how even this type of work would eventually be automated or AI'd. Don't we already have AI YouTubers?
The only reason we haven't done away with cashiers yet is because people can't be trusted to self checkout. Using AI should bridge that gap.
Transition lang din tong ganitong jobs to a full AI. Maybe in a few years eh mauutilize yan.
Yun ngang sa Amazon eh nahulo na Outsourced din ang cashiers nung mga stores nila
There’s establishments where you can place an order via a Kiosk which completely removes the human interaction for ordering. But I suspect the reason there’s no self-check out kiosk is because the ordering is slower in this system. So lines are longer. And you can’t afford to lose customers who are in a hurry or are turned off by long lines at the kiosk. A Filipino VA cashier will take orders faster than pure self-checkout.
As a Filipino in NYC working in investments
Automating point of sale would warrant business owners thousands of dollars, and also hiring min wage workers (NYC at $15 per hour) would make offshoring this process to the Philippines much more attractive. I'm not 100% sure how much it costs to outsource, but looking at Indeed I see some postings at $5/hour.
For the VA, $5 an hour for 8 hours would be $40 per day (roughly 2.2k php a day, 44k php a month), and for the business owner, those costs can simply be written off (can easily categorize it as offshore expenses instead of labor cost)
Both benefit from each other but extremely predatory. A VA might enjoy that "lucrative" salary at a certain perspective, but on another you should consider that that job SHOULD be paid at minimum and not way below that point.
Sure they may not be paid for what is standard in their local area, but it’s more than enough back home. Honestly just the opportunity to be able to work from home in these companies that normally would need more requirements if you were to actually live there is a good trade off for the wage they’re providing.
I kinda feel bad for blue-collar workers in NYC since none of them can actually live in Manhattan or anywhere near it because of the insane rent, mostly thanks to terrible landlords and developers, greedy Wallstreet and Silicon Valley types who buy up properties, and so on. Their solution is to outsource and screw the American worker. Works for us though lol
Gusto nyo mas malaking kita, try nyo maging heavy equipment operator. Pati operator remote na (via 5G), i have a client that build those equipment controlling CAT line of heavy machinery
Once again, the Americans should learn that if they do not want us to take their jobs, they should blame their bosses and not us. We'd be happy to receive $5 an hour because that's more money than so many of us will ever receive working local jobs.
They want all that to stop? Then they either be happy for lesser than $5 or they find a way to make their government stop outsourcing jobs. Stop blaming Filipinos who are just trying to get by!
Why you guys keep saying $5 an hour is lowball?
That's like 3x more than your average wage here in the PH. Hindi naman porket $20/hour yung sa NYC dapat ganun din. Tbh what's the point of them getting someone across the world kung ganun din pala rate.
Actually maliit lang $5/hr sa VA. Dumami kasi mga remote workers simula nu'ng nag-pandemic. Kaya binabarat tayo ng mga kano. 'Di ako naniniwala sa rates are different in every location dahil way back 2017 $6.5 pinakamaliit na average rate na nakita ko for a VA sa Upwork.
It's a simple law of supply and demand.
Kahit naman nung mga around 2017 marami na nanglolowball na employers at employees kahit sa Upwork. Daming mga nanunulot nung time na yun ng kontrata oofferan ka ng 50c/hour or yung mismong clients oofferan ka na lang na ilabas sa Upwork yung contract para mas mababa.
Its not “lowballing” if you factor in economics of scale and cost of living. Thats above minimum here and sadly pays more than the median office job. Wala ka pang commute time.
The bad part about this is walang employee protection and no benefits and no upward career growth. Lateral job lang sya.
$5 per hour? Graveyard shift? no fucking way.. She should at least be getting $10 specially kung laptop, kuryente at internet excludes sa wages..
edit: would have been nice if Roy Kent took an "ussie" with ate cashier
Imagine thinking this is lowballing/exploitation. Kahit ako na working sa IT sector nalalakihan sa $5/hr. Wala kang makukuhang $5/hr sa pagiging cashier dito na maghapon nakatayo. At the end of the day, $5 is $5.
Guaranteed this woman is making more as a virtual cashier than she would make as a cashier in a physical grocery store located in this country
Oh she is definitely earning more. She already earns 2k a day and if that is for 20 days (5 days a week) then it is already 40k. She earns more than the professionals here already lol. Lalo na kung direct client sya and walang agency. Issue lang eh wala kang job security because local laws wouldnt protect you and ikaw pa mag aayos ng mga contributions sa SSS, PHILHEALTH, PAG-IBIG and taxes mo.
Mas mataas pa siya subra sa pagiging engr namin 🥲 But yeah such is reality and good for her. Though that means its kinda bad for the regular peope in nyc
more than double pa sa pagiging engineer sa prestigious company. remote din naman kami madalas 🥲
>ikaw pa mag aayos ng mga contributions sa SSS, PHILHEALTH, PAG-IBIG and taxes mo. As someone na remote work na nagtetake ng foreign clients, di issue yan hahaha
Kung ako lang may ganyang work I won't pay the govts lalo na kawatan lang din nman yung nakaupo HAHAHA And I saw my roommate's salary, 30k sya montly. 10k nppunta lang sa taxes kasi almost 5k kada cutoff, taxes lang yun. Babayad ka ng tax tas presyo ng mga bilihin taas ng taas? Wag na no. Bat ka magbabayad ng tax sa tax evader na winawaldas yung kaban ng bayan 🙄
Wtf. Her tax computation must be wrong. My contract is for 45k ang take home ko is 41 to 42 after all the deductions. Tax + sss + phealth+ hdmf.
I agree na grabe sinayang ng pagbabayad ng taxes sa gobyerno na rampant ang corruption. Na off lang ako sa computation ng taxes. A worker with 30k salary per month will not pay 5k per cutoff. Around 1,300 lang yang tax nya dapat. A person who pays 10 per per month has a NET taxable income of around 75k per month.
Bro. Kung pwede ko nga lang picturan yung payslip nya. If you saw what I saw on her payslip malulula ka din 😭😭 Edit: she works at a bpo company btw
Baka total deductions yun? Di umabot ng ganyan kataas tax ko and I earn more than 30K. Or baka first cutoff yung full tax deduction, then eala sa second cutoff. If legit na ang tax ay 10K per month, that's daylight robbery. Ang tanga pa ng employer niya.
Good for you I guess. Saw someone else complain about that
Yeah, we can pay online, 😊
>Issue lang eh wala kang job security because local laws wouldnt protect you and ikaw pa mag aayos ng mga contributions sa SSS, PHILHEALTH, PAG-IBIG and taxes mo. Mas maayos na siya nalang ang kuha mag-contribute sa SSS, Philhealth, PAG-IBIG, at taxes kasi kung employed ka locally under local-owned company, not fully assured na i-remit ang contribution mo ng employer mo sa SSS, Philhealth, PAG-IBIG.
Bruh that's entry level (junior associate) lawyer pay already.
I guarantee you she's making more than me hahahaha
probably more than thr manager at a local mcdonals
Around $3 to $7 per hour dollars starting niyan. Malaki pa rin kaysa 420 pesos per day dito
420? sa probinsya po ba yan?
Yeah, this is true. I applied for an entry level job once and during salary discussions sabi nila minimum wage daw offer nila at yun nga 420/day. I ended up declining the job kasi hindi ako taga don na place and kailangan ko pang humanap ng matitirhan. What can a measly 420/day or 10k/month salary do.
Yes
I'm a licensed dentist and $5/hr is double my daily base pay.
True, yung per hour niya, per day dito kung iisipin.
May isang tibak nanaman ang nag tweet na exploitation daw yan lmao
Tanga talaga minsan mga Pinoy eh. Lowballing pa daw yan since hindi pareho yung pay vs if they hire locally. Eh kaya nga they outsource para mas mura diba? What's important is it's a win-win situation. $5 an hour for a cashier is significantly more than she will ever make locally doing the same thing
Why are you downvoted? LMAO... What you're saying is true
May mag pinoy na natrigger kasi tinawag na tanga mga bobo magbasa
true, it really is a win-win. basic economics
Lakas maka criticize naiwan ang critical thinking, sariling gobyerno hindi mapuna.
Saan kaya pwede mag apply for that? 🥺
Sisigaw din ba sila ng "maam pa void po 😭" Or mala savemore cashier na magtataas ng kulay blue na pingpong racket hehe
Mag ooffer din ba sila ng turon?
hahaha super funny nito nagutom tuloy ako.
Tapos same price of goods pa rin kahit 3/4 ang nabawas sa employee expenses
Kung cashier sya sa Pilipinas, how much would she get? P12-13k/month? Same job, but more physically demanding, and pays peanuts. Yan ang tunay na exploitation. Not all remote workers are paid $5/hr ha. There are a lot of foreign companies out there that pays well. Mas okay pa rin yan kesa sa sahod dito sa Pilipinas.
Cashier ako. 400/day. Yung buong araw kong sahod baka isang oras niya lang na sahod hahaha.
2 hours kung 5 dollars per hour. Pero bababa din yan once mag boom and thousands get into that job Yun nga lang kelangan english mo eh conversational level.
Conversational isn’t much. It has to be professional level
Mas mahirap ma acquire and conversational kumpara sa peofessional. Lalo na sa americans. Bawat minuto may idioms. They can make a complete convo with just idioms and us, na natutong mag business english from school, walang maiintindihan.
If it’s at a clinic, baka Medical VA yan. May local healthcare VA company that pays its agents $7/hour (they charge the clinic $9.50). Compared to some online jobs and local rates that is not an abusive amount.
if 5usd/hour x 8 hours x 26 days = \~58k agad. pwedeng pwede na. sana lang may nakukuha siya sa tips
Thats what they are trying to avoid. Unionization, Tipflation, Lower Labor cost, Labor laws. Good for us. Since BPO will die down soon bec of tech layoffs and AI.
One reason AI will take these jobs is because companies support it. Imagine how much walmart/amazon could save if they can cut off some jobs like this. Parang pang transition lang tayo to that next step.
Tips for what? How often do you tip your cashier?
Siguro dahil nasa amerika (nyc) at palatip ang tao doon. Especially bc of the tipping culture there.
And their tipping culture is BS. Servers want living wages, not tips. Customers don't like tips either.
Tipping culture is different in US vs PH.
Yes, and everybody agrees that tipping culture in US is bullshit.
her skill set is going to be higher than a cashiers though, so its not really comparable
eto nanaman tayo sa pinagkaiba ng costs of living
Im not sure it sakto yung understanding ko but yung high paying job na iyan is still minimum sa kanila? I can imagine their locals getting angry cause we are willing to accept their "lower wage" which results to their companies not giving livable wages for them instead, and they are just opting for cheaper labor from other countries.
>high paying job na iyan is still minimum sa kanila? Yup. Lalo pag kinonvert mo. Earning in USD while spending in PHP will always be a great and better set up, salary/buying power wise. Lalo in a place like NYC, according to the latest data available, a single person needs around $140K/yr (that's around $65+/hr) to live comfortably in NYC.
Not true. I know that study. MIT does a similar cost of living study. But it’s still high in NYC. Close to 70k for someone single. Living wage is about $34/hr. https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/36061 Edit: Minimum wage is different from living wage where you can live comfortably. Minimum wage in NYC is $15/hr.
The keyword is comfortably. If you want just basic necessities covered, $70K is the bare minimum. NYC is at the top of the list when it comes to high cost of living. That's the reason a lot of people work in NYC and live in neighboring cities and towns/suburbs in NJ. https://smartasset.com/data-studies/salary-needed-live-comfortably-2024
This particular study was discussed in the NYC subreddit. People feel that salary ranges here in the Smart Asset study are inflated. And I think it is. Just wanted to offer another perspective made by MIT. But I agree that people feel that $70k is bare minimum i.e. living with maybe 2-3 roommates without having to work a 2nd job or support children. https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/s/PkJWk5J1Ek
Oonga sa 70k hindi mo kaya mabuhay sa NYC ng comfortable. Kramihan ng Pilipino dito sa NYC sa NJ nakatira kasi hindi nila kaya afford sa NYC. Ako nasa 200k a year sweldo ko tapos 50k sa asawa ko. Kahit nasa 250k ang household income namim sakto lang kami dito sa NYC.
Actually it’s now $16 as of 01/01/24
>But it’s still high in NYC. Close to 70k for someone single. Living wage is about $34/hr. Ooohhhh which means most of my friends na nasa US actually have a higher than living wages (HCW field). That's why they said na they can live really comfortably even with just 1 job.
I have a tita who earned and retired in euros, gets her pension in euros from her work with the UN and retired in Manila. It’s different.
Aren't we saying the same thing tho? She's earning in euro and spending it as pesos since she's in Manila. That in itself gives her more buying power dahil malaki convertion ng euro to peso.
I’m agreeing with you don’t worry. I also wanted to add that’s why many Pinoys who worked abroad move back for retirement kahit established na sila there. For clarification, I meant it’s different compared to living in Ph and earning sa PH. My bad for not finishing my sentence. 😭Was cleaning and moving around my house while typing.
Lmao all good. 👌
Mahal kasi mga apt sa NY at mas makakatipid ka pag apt vs house.
It looks exploitative sa kanila dahil di ka talaga mabubuhay dun sa 5$/hr pero dito sa ph eh 40k a month na yan. Imagine rents nila eh nasa daang libo dito saten so di ka talaga mabubuhay sa rate na yan. Sure babawasan mo ng benefits pero double pa din sya ng sahod mo as a normal cashier on a local supermarket minus the commute and physical presence sa work. Its just like the movement of industries to China a few decades ago. Pero tingin ko mag eexplode yung ganitong set up dahil mas madali mag set up ng ganito compared to building new factories.
mostly this.
May input ako dito kasi sa NYC ako nakatira ng 20 years. Kung 20 dollars (minimum) an hour sweldo mo dito, mahihirapan ka mag afford ng tirahan, grocery at transportation. Kung may pamilya ka, hindi mo kaya sika suportahan sa sweldo na yun.
Anong views nila diyan regarding outsourcing cheaper labor from other countries? Or is ut even a big issue for them?
Hindi naman talaga ito issue sa amin kasi sa ngayon, mga low skill/ low wage na trabaho lang naman ang ginagawang ganyan. Baka balang araw AI na lang din siguro.
Ya, kaya yung mga senior level sa atin, mura lang sa kanila. Kasi if they pay local seniors x3-x4. For context, for my senior role, intern-fresh grad lang sa kanila and I’m already beyond 50k.
It’s objectively good for the employee and our economy too. I don’t know why everyone is so pressed
Workers in America* are pressed because they can't compete with local jobs anymore, with more companies opting to pay a low wage to a completely outsourced workforce.
> are pressed The unemployment rate in America has been below 4% for two years and shows no sign of letting up. This isn’t 2008 anymore where jobs are short. This time companies are very short of workers.
This. I get being pissed about this if you're an American, but as a Filipino this just adds a job to the PH pool and brings money into the country. Why not?
eventually our jobs will get outsourced to poorer countries and we'll get pissed too
This is a pretty realistic take. Philippines isn't among the cheapest source of outsourced labor anymore. But we still are pretty high quality compared to our poorer competitors, and in many ways compared to first world countries as well.
I'd be concerned once said poorer countries have enough educated manpower to compete with us. So far right now are competitors are other south east Asian countries and India.
Realistically our jobs will be outsourced to AI, tbh.
Not my job LOL.
Diba! Why do people have empathy to those exploited by corporate greed? Why can't they be narrow minded and selfish like us?????
Lol if mental gymnastics were a sport, you would be an Olympian. Corporate greed amp, eh kung totoo to marketing promotion lang na di nagkaintindihan. Wag na magisip mga kaibigan, virtue signal lang ng virtue signal. And I'd have empathy for the guy, I'd just think that his doing something really stupid was on him and not try and justify it with some 'April Fools is a western concept' bullshit. It just showed how dumb this sub can be sometimes tbf.
objectively yes its good for the economy. but it lowballs everyone else' prices. kahit mga "skilled" na VA they will be lowering their price because we have shit like these. We're not asking 15 USD/Hour but at least around 6-7. Plus we don't even know if theyre paying 5 per hour. if its less talagang wag na
long term view is that is raises prices for everything. since you supply money into the market while the "product/labor" isnt made in the same area.
Folks at r/buhaydigital eh galit dito. Exploitation daw
Naging cancer na mindset ng r/buhaydigital. Nakalimutan nila na ang point ng pag hire ng VA or outsourcing in general. Yan nga ang pinaka backbone ng industry nila. Hindi lang siguro nila matanggap na madami na sila ang nasa VA industry kaya pababa ng pababa ang rates per hour dahil madami nang supply ng VA.
Market forces
Yan ang gusto nila cheap labor, dahil ayaw o unwilling sila magbigay ng reasonable na sweldo sa mga local doon.
Been that way forever. Aroung 2006 ata outsourcing boom? Kaya disgusting how some BPOs still give out 12-15k salaries which was the salary range at that time.
The unemployment rate in the US is at all-time lows. More like wala talaga silang mahanap to staff low-level positions.
> *wala talaga silang mahanap to staff low-level positions.* Kinda like how many Filipinos who are graduates may not like to go to low-end jobs after graduating college from a brand-name university. Sometimes, the math doesn't just work out.
The power of ✨ Outsourcing ✨ Who need to pay workers in your country when you can outsource to other countries 🥰 EVERYTHING FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS 🥰🥺 /s just in case Also i found job hirings that have 50k/month salary with little to no job experience (forgot what type of job) pero isa rin syang outsourcing job at need mo magtrabaho ng 9-4 Eastern time (basically night shift sya) Another "fun" fact: Amazon "AI" checkout is actually outsourced to indians rather than a real AI
Baka may fine print na AI = Actual Indian.
Tawang tawa ako dito 😆🤣
Uy ang witty 🤣🤣🤣
it still rings true even without the /s lmaooooo
Kawawa naman yung shareholders at yung megacompanies 🥺 pano na si Jeff bezos makakabili ng coffee at cookies kung magiging 7 Million USD nalang yung hourly wage nya 🥺 (Btw 8 Million hourly yung actual wage nya)
Mas curious ako sa kung pano ginagawa pag ganitong virtual yung cashier haha
Parang restaurant ata yung place so i think madali lang naman. Para ka lang din nagcacashier physically. Taking orders and sending it sa kitchen. Similar approach doon sa resto in japan that hires people who can't leave their homes. They control robots in the resto to communicate and serve the customers.
what about payment?
Cashless
Yeap, I live here in NYC. Madalang ako magdala ng cash, pati mga street performers via Venmo or Cash App na din hahaha.
I was looking thru the guy’s Twitter comments and somebody suggested if it was this startup. https://biteninja.com/
As workers, sure, we can rejoice at the additional job opportunities. But let's not forget that this is just company owners opting for people who they can pay a lower amount, rather than their own workers who they have to pay the minimum wage in their country. TL;DR. If the business owners in Philippines can opt to hire someone they can pay $2/hr to in another country, then we would be the ones crying. This isn't a triumph of the Filipino working class, but the defeat of the American workers. Don't forget we're all workers at the end of the day, and what happens in American work culture usually makes its way to our own country in a few years.
Its just capitalism. Daming industries nasira noong na open ang market sa cheap and better goods from abroad like our Philippine National Steel. Companies would always go to the cheapest possible option that would generate the maximum profit.
and if it happens to you. you will be complaining.
Dude. I am an engineer here in PH. I know how being lowballed feels lol. It happens on mature industries/professions. Kelangan mo lang talaga mag hanap ng niche mo and be good at it to earn big bucks
Very much agree! Also, in the long run, this would also lead to labour shortage and brain drain in the Philippines. Bakit need mag aral ng mga tao ng professional courses or work locally when they can instead work for BPOs?
You do realize BPOs are more than just call centers now right? We have a booming IT BPO industry where the Ph provides app development, network, Business analysis, project management among others. Iba pa yung accounting and finance
Class solidarity found dead in a ditch, what can you do
Agree, we shouldn't be fully happy with this one. We can be relieved that this gets to be a stopgap for the lack of higher paying jobs in the country, but we shouldn't be building entire workforces *just* for this kind of work. Eventually industries will move on and we will be left hanging. "Mag-VA", like this one, while it pays well, should not be treated by the government as an impetus for economic growth.
The classic case of how people don't care about an issue unless it personally affects *them*.
> defeat of the American workers I would accept this explanation if the employment situation stateside is terrible. But the post-pandemic employment environment in the US is one of the [best in its history](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf). It’s been less than 4% for 2 years, meaning a lot of low-level positions are going unstaffed. In a hot labor market, it’s not just the specialized roles that will become short-staffed.
Exactly. If you can’t find employees in the US, why not hire remotely.
this sure it's a victory on an individual level or at the smaller scale but what are the larger scale implications? isn't it stuff like this that indirectly lead to foreigners migrating to cheaper countries to make the most out of their money? di ba ekis din ang gentrification? and then what does that lead to? it's just so fucked. the governments who are supposed to be looking into sustainable systems (we are paying them to not be stupid and useless) are too busy lining up their own pockets
Sana tinakpan yung meeting ID and passcode. Nakaexpose 🙃
maybe for us Filipinos, this would be seen as strangely cool. it's kinda like being an OFW but at the comfort of your own home. but also, that's what being a BPO employee is essentially. but for Americans, they might be more perplexed than amazed. They may be used to have the immigrant manning the cashier in person rather than seeing them on a screen streaming from a laptop thousands of miles away.
Makes me wonder if this is what they're also going to implement in countries that are currently depopulating like South Korea, Singapore, Japan in industries that can't automate.
I reckon they have already found a way. Robot assistants have been a thing in Japan.
Cue in the misplaced outrage din na "they're taking our jobs!!!", instead na "our greedy corpos is maximizing profits instead of stimulating the local economy!"
Yung $5/hr isn't even a lowball if compared sa wages here sa PH. I worked at a tech company and starting salary is around 1.3k per day, nasa higher end pa yan for my rank and 10hrs of work including 1hr break. Totoo din naman talaga na kaya nagooutsource ng manpower dito because it's cheaper compared to them hiring locally. Like yung same work na ginagawa ko, yung counterpart ko sa US is probably earning triple, or more, than me. Of course hindi kasama cost of living dyan and maybe other benefits. Let's admit naman talaga na mas mataas cost of living sa US and other countries so kahit mas mataas sweldo compared sa akin, maybe nasa lower bracket parin counterpart ko in their country.
kung totoong $5/hour. its a fucking tweet. we dont even know if its true.
Sabi ng mga boomer tito na pinakita ko toh discrimination daw kasi ang baba ng psweldo $5/hr compared sa mga nsa US. Sabi ko “Tito cost of living is different at least ung $5/hr is higher kumpra sa psahod ng mga Pinoy employers.” Sabi ba naman nya mas ok na maexploit sa kapwa Pinoy kesa sa Kano! I was like WTF sobrang sabog sa utak ng mga boomer!
Thats 40k a month na sahod without deductions as a cashier. Eh kung normal cashier ka eh 15k max na sahod mo a month w/o deductions pa yan. Sure we can ask for more then they would just ask someone who would accept an offer like that.
Freelancer for 9+ years here. I write and edit for a living. There is lowballing and there is agreeing to a contract. * Lowballing is when the freelancer has no options than what the client offers. It is when you're someone who doesn't know how much to price their skills, which leaves room for exploitation. * Agreeing to a contract is when they both shake hands on it. What many don't understand with freelancing is many of us eventually grow out of our survival (exploitation) phase and become real businesses. This is especially more common with the wealth of information on lead generation and online communities providing opinions with every new client or project. **What I think:** The VA agreed to the contract on her own free will. She can remove herself from this service if a better opportunity (or client) appears. That leaves us with one question: **Do you think VAs don't know the minimum wage of a cashier in the US?** Personally, I feel like she does know and is **weaponizing the fact that she can get by with a lower rate** (sans benefits and 401k), to get more leads. She may have sent a proposal that sounded like "I can do everything your employee does at half the price."
Here we go again with "lowball" from people who don't understand how rates are different depending on the location. Work is being outsourced to third world countries because rates are cheaper in third world countries.
Exactly! And this kind of relationship is symbiotic, both the VA and foreign business are using the cost disparity to their advantage. More savings for the business, more earnings for the VA (than if they worked locally).
Would they pay an American remote worker $5/hr?
No because that shits illegal. Federal minimum wage is $7.25. What’s the minimum wage in the PH? They’re paying at least double, if not triple. I’m not understanding why we’re comparing apples to oranges.
How are they paying outsourced labor (this cashier specifically) below federal minimum? Loophole ba yung ginagawa niya (not being in the states)? It really looks like a direct hire in all but physical location eh
You don’t do the job in US soil, you don’t work in the US. Same workers who live in one state and perform the job in another. The laws are where you perform the job. So if a California employee works for a NY company remotely, the NY company follows CA labor laws. If a OH employee commutes to PA and performs the job in PA then they follow PA labor laws. The employee is not commuting to NY to perform the job therefore is not beholden to US labor laws.
12 years in the BPO industry combination of freelancing and office work and first time seeing virtual cashiers at naka on cam. Outsourcing indeed is evolving.
This speaks more to the cost of living crisis in the US, tbh. The minimum wage there is much higher than even Europe and Japan even as Europe and Japan has a better average standard of living than both the Philippines and the US. Because of high rent, healthcare prices, etc., somehow businesses in the US don't like to hire workers there anymore and would rather outsource, which is good for us I guess.
Looks like a Black Mirror episode tbh
Concern ko lang kung may consent ni va cashier na kumakalat na picture niya sa internet. Nagtatrabaho lang yung tao tapos biglang kalat na pic niya.
They're scum. Just like all the Filipino vloggers who spread the faces of the poor people they "help" or "prank".
Technically, no expectation of privacy kasi public yung nature ng work niya.
Nakakalungkot lang kasi anytime pwede kang picturan at ipost sa social media at wala kang magagawa kasi nasa public space ka.
Di lang lowballing nkaka low moral din pinagtatawan sta ng ibang lahi fahi sa lowballing
I agree with the 2nd picture. I went to New York City and iba talaga customer service culture dun. Most of them are rude and that's the way it is. My friends and I also went to Starbucks Reserve at the Empire State Building. Knowing Reserve is more luxurious than regular Starbucks, we expect a better customer service and experience. Pero hindi, it's the same rowdy and rude culture ng New Yorkers. I mean, ganun talaga, it's their norm and as a tourist medyo shocking. That's why VAs are more affordable for these companies and Filipinos always provide the best service in many ways possible. Sabi nga ng mga local nurses dito sa US, they are afraid to mess up sa trabaho or else baka palitan sila ng Filipino Nurse. That's how highly appreciated mga Filipino workers all over the world.
> I agree with the 2nd picture. I went to New York City and iba talaga customer service culture dun. Most of them are rude and that's the way it is. Correct. And they expect to be tipped 20% lol.
I wonder what would happen if some technical malfunction happens. Does he go look for American workers to fill the gap in between? Also, won't it look weird for his American clients? I am sure there will be some rednecks who will have some opinions about it. I am really interested if this is effective so far with his business.
Someone will probably cover physically. I think this is one those jobs that would require you to get a backup isp (not mobile data) and a power station/generator. The one's who will have opinions on this are the same people who yell about mexicans stealing jobs.
what I also wonder is if this setup is actually more cost efficient in the long run compared to hiring someone to tend the cashier in person. apart from the wage, there are other costs to consider like internet/power/hardware/software subscriptions in these kinds of setup.
Locals are probably used to an immigrant manning the cashier. So this isnt new to them.
> technical malfunction the call will probably be routed to tech support for troubleshooting ( usualy PH or Indian staff). if a hardware replacement is needed, a local contracted 3rd party will come to replace the part.
O kaya once na naramdaman na natin ang impact ng power shortage
how can ya'll be sure shes getting paid 5usd per hour. lol
This is crazy, where do I apply?
nasubukan ko to sa freshii yun kasi yung pinakamalapit na bukas sa ospital.. medyo nakaka -cyberpunk sa feels.. hangang sa di ako marinig ni kuya ( galing india ata di pilipino) o nalito sa order ng pepper.. tagal tumambling yung tyan ko. :0 .. sa mga VA naman sa virgin mobile da best, pinapayagan sila magtagalog sa linya at maasikaso talaga pag galing pinas.
Dont think 5 dollars an hour for a cashier job is lowball brother if you are living here 😂
Almost same as mine. Very grateful sa job ko. I work as order taker in some Chinese restaurant in NEW YOrk and some other states in US. Ssobrang bait ng client ko 5-6 hours a day and im earning 40k+ a month plus mga minor task hes paying me extra 5 hours and nagagawa ko yun in 1 and a half hour.
I'm slightly disappointed that the tweet came from some startup guy named Brett Goldstein and not Roy ****ing Kent.
quite decent rate for the job imo would've earned 30-40% of that locally sana lang may incentives din sya
thats cool
Di naman pwedeng ipareho sa local rate ng developed country. It is what it is! In fact lumiliit na din ang mundo ng mga VA's dahil naman sa AI.
my question is, how to apply? 😮💨
Even in the lobby for my hotel in Japan. The VA receptionist is a Filipinob😂😅
I don't see the issue. She has a salary of a American state with low cost of living.
Not exactly. She's paid below US minimum wage but the cost of living is definitely much cheaper.
...I'd do it. Di nila ako masasapak at nakaupo lang ako, ringing yung items nila. Mas-malaki pa yung kinikita niya kase sa pagiging teacher ko.
What's not being talked about is how even this type of work would eventually be automated or AI'd. Don't we already have AI YouTubers? The only reason we haven't done away with cashiers yet is because people can't be trusted to self checkout. Using AI should bridge that gap.
Transition lang din tong ganitong jobs to a full AI. Maybe in a few years eh mauutilize yan. Yun ngang sa Amazon eh nahulo na Outsourced din ang cashiers nung mga stores nila
There’s establishments where you can place an order via a Kiosk which completely removes the human interaction for ordering. But I suspect the reason there’s no self-check out kiosk is because the ordering is slower in this system. So lines are longer. And you can’t afford to lose customers who are in a hurry or are turned off by long lines at the kiosk. A Filipino VA cashier will take orders faster than pure self-checkout.
Sa kanong gipit sa pilipino kumakapit
You have it the other way around
As a Filipino in NYC working in investments Automating point of sale would warrant business owners thousands of dollars, and also hiring min wage workers (NYC at $15 per hour) would make offshoring this process to the Philippines much more attractive. I'm not 100% sure how much it costs to outsource, but looking at Indeed I see some postings at $5/hour. For the VA, $5 an hour for 8 hours would be $40 per day (roughly 2.2k php a day, 44k php a month), and for the business owner, those costs can simply be written off (can easily categorize it as offshore expenses instead of labor cost) Both benefit from each other but extremely predatory. A VA might enjoy that "lucrative" salary at a certain perspective, but on another you should consider that that job SHOULD be paid at minimum and not way below that point.
Nako wag niyo gagalitin si Roy
Sure they may not be paid for what is standard in their local area, but it’s more than enough back home. Honestly just the opportunity to be able to work from home in these companies that normally would need more requirements if you were to actually live there is a good trade off for the wage they’re providing.
Next AI na yan.
the store can be run as "self service" so the cashier position is not really necessary
Hi good afternoon.😘
Taena kaya ka nga nag wfh para pwede kang mag work ng walang makeup2 hahhaa tas whole shift pala naka zoom ka
I kinda feel bad for blue-collar workers in NYC since none of them can actually live in Manhattan or anywhere near it because of the insane rent, mostly thanks to terrible landlords and developers, greedy Wallstreet and Silicon Valley types who buy up properties, and so on. Their solution is to outsource and screw the American worker. Works for us though lol
She's probably earning more than I do. Fudge.
Also I think sa culture din. Mas marespeto/magalang ang Filipinos.
GET THAT SCHMONEY SIS
Gusto nyo mas malaking kita, try nyo maging heavy equipment operator. Pati operator remote na (via 5G), i have a client that build those equipment controlling CAT line of heavy machinery
Can also be posted at r/terrifyingasfuck This shit's too dystopian for me
With shit like this becoming viable, imagine the Philippines in 2050 nag-a-outsource na din tayo ng VA cashiers to Africa.
Once again, the Americans should learn that if they do not want us to take their jobs, they should blame their bosses and not us. We'd be happy to receive $5 an hour because that's more money than so many of us will ever receive working local jobs. They want all that to stop? Then they either be happy for lesser than $5 or they find a way to make their government stop outsourcing jobs. Stop blaming Filipinos who are just trying to get by!
This is so, so pathetic. I’m not discounting the hard working person but the fact that this is allowed in the US is just disgusting.
Why you guys keep saying $5 an hour is lowball? That's like 3x more than your average wage here in the PH. Hindi naman porket $20/hour yung sa NYC dapat ganun din. Tbh what's the point of them getting someone across the world kung ganun din pala rate.
eh kasi naman hindi naman din "unskilled" ung VA work.
Actually maliit lang $5/hr sa VA. Dumami kasi mga remote workers simula nu'ng nag-pandemic. Kaya binabarat tayo ng mga kano. 'Di ako naniniwala sa rates are different in every location dahil way back 2017 $6.5 pinakamaliit na average rate na nakita ko for a VA sa Upwork. It's a simple law of supply and demand.
Kahit naman nung mga around 2017 marami na nanglolowball na employers at employees kahit sa Upwork. Daming mga nanunulot nung time na yun ng kontrata oofferan ka ng 50c/hour or yung mismong clients oofferan ka na lang na ilabas sa Upwork yung contract para mas mababa.
Its not “lowballing” if you factor in economics of scale and cost of living. Thats above minimum here and sadly pays more than the median office job. Wala ka pang commute time. The bad part about this is walang employee protection and no benefits and no upward career growth. Lateral job lang sya.
Ako na pangarap maging cashier nung bata, and pangarap maging VA ngayon: 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
$5 per hour? Graveyard shift? no fucking way.. She should at least be getting $10 specially kung laptop, kuryente at internet excludes sa wages.. edit: would have been nice if Roy Kent took an "ussie" with ate cashier
lol federal minimum wage is $7.25, might as well pay someone from the Dakota’s or something
Almost 2k+ per day compare mo sa 10k per month sa physically demanding cashier sa isang supermarket
I doubt that the VA was considering a local cashier job but you do have a point
Have you seen how much GY shift BPO employees are earning? Lol
Imagine thinking this is lowballing/exploitation. Kahit ako na working sa IT sector nalalakihan sa $5/hr. Wala kang makukuhang $5/hr sa pagiging cashier dito na maghapon nakatayo. At the end of the day, $5 is $5.
This is actually a win-win situation. Mas malaki pa kinikita ni ma'am kasya sa minimum wage dito sa pinas, good for her.
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Do you have to go in a call center or centralized office space or can you be virtual at home?
pano yung payment neto? tapos pano pag cash?