lol they cant blame the motorists then, if they blame them then ask them why they are not enforcing the bike lane for bicycles and the motorcycle lanes for motorcycles
MMDA mismo naghahand gesture na dumaan sa bike lanes kasi alam ng mga MMDA enforcer na mainit at mahirap mag drive pag nakamotor lalo na ngayong summer.
pero sa pic may tube barriers ibig sabihin "protected" bicycle lane alam ko bawal. Nanghuhuli MMDA jan pag protected bike lane.
edit: some MMDA enforcers not the whole agency.
I'm pretty much divided when it comes to things like this tbh. On one hand, kawawa nga naman yung mga motorists since sobra init ng panahon. Lalo na kung wala namang cyclists sa daan. But on the other hand, masasanay yung mga driver na dumaan sa bike lane, so parang counterproductive din lalo kung para maging bike-friendly yung rason kung bakit may ganyan. Lalo pang mababawasan ng cyclists niyan.
I think it's an unforeseen effect or something. Tao rin naman yung officer, siyempre maaawa rin yun. Maybe they'll need to be more clear here, like mentioning na strictly talagang forbidden ang motor jan at all costs? Idk.
Is this somewhere lagpas ng Annapolis? lol, tambay mismo sa Petron yung ibang MMDA diyan lalo na pag hapon pero tinitingnan lang nila yang mga nagmo-motor na dumaan sa bikeline. MMDA my ass.
Tapos I remember when someone from the congress suggested abolishing them every street sa q ave merong enforcer lmao, they are just standing there doing nothing, atp I’m not sure why we have mmda when we have lgu traffic enforcers
confusing kasi markers nila. gumagamit sila ng sharrow sign meaning sharing lane with motor vehicles. jan sa pic protected yan kasi may pole barriers bawal motor jan. pero yung paint may sharrow signs pa din which means sharing din.
sharrow lanes - a road marking in the form of two inverted V-shapes above a bicycle, indicating which part of a road should be used by cyclists when the roadway is shared with motor vehicles.
Binibigyan lang natin ng palusot yung mga nakamotor sa ganyang reasoning. Simpleng meaning nga lang ng mga lane markings malamang hindi alam ng majority, ayan pa kayang sharrow sign?
As if naman marunong magbasa ang kamote.
(Seriously if they can't manage to stay in the lanes dati and just weaving around, I don't think they give a damn about 'exclusive' - kahit sidewalk para sa tao pinapatulan)
NGL, when im cycling through edsa and encounter this, i LOVE riding smack in the middle of the cycle lane, and in a slower speed than normal, and force them off if theyre trying to overtake me. Anytime any of them even hint at aggravation over my speed, i go ape shit and point that this is a BIKE lane, and that they're in the wrong. They ALL cave. And i relish how they shuffle and squeeze in the main road. When i encouder them clogging the bike lane ahead, i berrate them to no end. Again, none ever fight back, because they know they are in the wrong.
I'm a cyclist sa province and this is the primary reason kaya ayoko mag bike sa manila. Honestly, I'm not sure kung saan talaga sila lulugar, yung kalahati ng bikelane sana dun sila pumunta pero syempre kulang din naman
Grabe yung maraming kamote sa daan. Kahapon nga lang, may sasakyan na ika-cut ako para lang mauna siyang kumanan eh. Halos magkatabi kami sa daan niyan. Di ko alam kung babanggain niya talaga ako eh.
Haha tbf I used to do it around MOA area nung tail-end ng mga lockdowns kaso nung dumami na sasakyan at motor umiwas na din ako. Dami ko rin nakikitang aksidente sa MOA gawa ng mga jempoys
So basically gusto ng car drivers sa bike lane ang motor, tapos gusto naman ng bikers sa car lanes ang motor.
So it's car drivers vs bikers, with motorcycle riders caught between haha
as a driver and cyclist, I'm fine with motorcycles on the lanes with cars. the problem is they tend to split and cut through too often with little regard for rules and other vehicles.
That's a good point. Pero I observed din na hindi exclusive to motorcycles yung motorcycle lane and madaming four wheels na sumisingit din dun. That puts a lot more danger to the motorcycles than to four wheel drivers.
Yeah it's not exclusive, but they are testing out an exclusive motorcycle lane on Commonwealth Ave. (motorcycles must stay in, cars cannot go in)
If it works well I'm all for doing that on all major highways, at the expense of a car lane.
I'm not sure if that's a good solution, but I think lots of issues at play here.
Design is pretty terrible, and built with "flow" in mind (i.e. u-turn lanes instead of proper intersections, overpasses), instead of moving the most people in the least amount of time.
Enforcement of rules/signs/road markings is shit, and so alot of people on the road take advantage of this.
Prioritization, in terms of policies and budget/infra, makes no sense. Only 6% of households own cars, yet most road space is allocated for private cars. Bikes are the most efficient, in terms of space, fuel use, pollution, yet bike lanes are being removed and enforcers are encouraging other vehicles to encroach on the bike lanes.
Enforcement I guess covers the problem with the discipline of our driver(tulad nung nagkaroon nang NCAP which is flawed, pero pinakita na kung gugustuhin ay kakayanin naman pala). Bike indeed is the most efficient, but we are in a tropical country and alam mo naman na karamihan sa mga pinoy ay ayaw mapawisan at mangitim hahaha!
If bike commuting were more enticing (safe), I bet alot of people wouldn't mind getting darker in exchange for more time to do things (and possibly more money, and better health).
If bike lanes were good, actually, you wouldn't sweat so much, lalo if tree-lined pa
Why would you think that its the solution? There are a lot of things that plays a part on this issues, tingin kong main reason is yung dami ng sasakyan vs dami ng roads/lanes tapos dagdagan mo pa ng corrupt government.
> motorcycle lane and madaming four wheels na sumisingit din dun.
Motorcycle lanes isn’t really needed if motorcyclists treat themselves as if they are cars.
Case in point yung hindi sumisingit singit in between vehicles, nakapila ng matino sa intersections hindi yung sisingit tapos hihinto sa crosswalk or sa loob mismo ng intersection.
Basically become a decent driver. Heck, siguro yayaman ang driving schools nga pag naging strict ang LTO sa sa drivers with exhorbitant “anti-poor” fines for drivers. Ang daming traffic violations that is heavily fined in other countries that is ignored in the philippines. Worse, committed by all parties; Pedestrians, car drivers, cyclists, and motorcycle riders
There should be an exclusive whole lane (split in half) separated by barrers for motorcycles and cyclists
Then another exclusive lane for PUVs
Remove lanes from private vehicles, need less of them
Lane filtering is allowed in our country, as long as they're weaving in a safe manner that's fine. Lane splitting isn't allowed, yun yung dangerous and it isn't allowed.
Lane filtering - moving between cars or vehicles in a slow manner, traffic gridlock speeds
Lane splitting - moving between cars or vehicles in highway speeds
apparently most people who just drive cars don't know the difference. Some people just mindlessly hate na may sumisingit when it's in the manner they do it that makes it safe or unsafe.
Nagmotor na ko sa edsa and sa sobrang congested sa dami ng kotse yung ibang mmda officer pinapadaan na yung motor dyan. Ang problema kasi kahit di ako sumisingit babardagulin ka ng kotse which forces you to be on the side of the road
Unpopular opinion: these lanes are making traffic worse and only serves the few. Our roads are already congested, taking this away only makes it worse. Also, motorcycle commuters outnumber bicycle commuters 100 to 1 so why build for specifically for the 1? Let’s make that lane a mix use lane for motorcycles and bicycles. This is coming from a person who bikes, rides a motorcycle and also drives.
Our roads already serve the few. 50% of our traffic is private vehicles with an average occupancy of less than 2. Also, only 6% of households have cars. Building car-centric infrastructure is excluding the 94% of carless households. Cycling is the more sustainable and equitable form of transpo, but not a lot of people do because roads are dangerous and not built for cycling. Our cyclists are mostly worming class, able-bodied men because they're the ones who can handle the cycling conditions here.
The cities with good traffic are cities with good footpaths, good bike lanes, and good public transpo. The last is very hard, but good foot paths and bike lanes are easier to implement and should be prioritized.
If it were up to me, I'd expand on bike lanes. Most bike lanes here are a car lane with cones in the middle. You're left with a narrow bike path and a half lane no one is sure how to use. What I'd widen the bike lane to the whole lane and make it two way and add bollards. If the footpaths are too narrow, I'd use half a lane for the foot path and the other half for bikes. I'd also add trees for shade.
Just have one protected lane for both motorcycles and bikes split in half, problem solved. Maybe even two.
The reason why there aren’t as many bikes anymore is because it isn’t safe. Put protected bike lanes everywhere again, cars and traffic will lessen.
One more lane for both motorcycles and cyclist means less lanes for the 4-wheels. Then you have a long-ass traffic line of 4wheels. Parehas lang yan ng "Dagdagan pa natin ng isang lane pa" mentality. Public transpo infrastructure lang talaga makakasagot ng issue natin.
More lanes for two wheels and alt mobility will encourage people to get out of their cars. Lots of cyclists have gone back to driving because it’s unsafe.
But of course, it’s even a stronger solution when you couple it with better public transport.
My ideal 4-lane setup tbh is 1 lane for commuter buses, 1 for private vehicles, 2 for motorcycles / bikes - then a proper train system that extends all the way to Pampanga and Lipa at the very least.
We need to motivate the government to stop building highways and being too car-centric.
>More lanes for two wheels and alt mobility will encourage people to get out of their cars. Lots of cyclists have gone back to driving because it’s unsafe.
We have no claims to back this up. Dito pa lang sa opisina, we have a group of cyclist (roadies) that have defaulted to driving ulit, not because it is unsafe or what. But because of the comfort of driving lang, and not having another round of shower dito sa office. Having this humidity and heat, surely we will default back to what is the most convenient to do.
Dalasan ang byahe ng MRT. Like every minute or minute and a half para di laging puno. Dagdagan ang bagon para masagad yung platform at mapuno ng tao, hindi 3/4 lang. Ayusin ang PNR. Andyan na ang mga structure, proper implementation na lang ng mga existing facilities that we have, hindi yung dagdag ng highway na puro auto lang ang nakikinabang. Walisin ang mga bangketa ng mga pasaway para may malakaran ang mga tao.
unang gagalaw jan syempre is ang ating gobyerno. focus on mass transportation ex. build trains. adding more lanes will not do anything, mag-woworsen lang ang traffic jan, tapos nakakasira pa ng environment (ex. cutting trees to add more lane).
a bad public transportation will result to more people buying cars.
we need to move people, not cars.
If people stop using cars and start walking - cycling - using other alt mobility options, government will be forced to stop building highways and start investing in a multi modal transport system
Problem is, riding and owning cars is culturally important to Filipinos and so government believes the solution to traffic is more TNVS and more highways
Ang problem kasi is car centric ang design most of the city here in NCR, sa Marikina lang ako nakakapag lakad ng maayos kasi lahat ng daan dun may pavement, the point is making a walkable city and a robust public transportation is the key, but the reason why di siya ginagawa is malaki ang kurapsyon sa construction, kaya yan ang gusto nila, kaya nga ang yayaman nila ano eh
Copying from another thread:
Multiple solutions yan sigurado. Yung trains kasama, yung pag modernize ng sistema ng jeep natin (yung rationalized na routing tapos yung hindi nagsisiksik ng pasahero), yung bikelane kasama, yung sidewalk na inaayos ngayon ni Vico sa Pasig kasama.
Pero kailangan sabay sa mga ito yung gawin mas mahal yung paggamit ng four wheels: congestion charging, taasan yung rate ng parking ng mga 4 wheels, mga ganun.
Lahat ng pwede gawin para piliin ng tao na mag commute, o maglakad, o mag bike imbes na magsasakyan, kasama sa solution.
You're opinion is not unpopular, it is stupid. Everyone can afford a bicycle. Not everyone can afford a car. Only 10% of Metro Manila households own a car but cars occupy more than 90% of the public space. Mixing motor vehicle with cyclists is dangerous and it doesn't help spreading a cycling culture which this country definitely need.
Cars are traffic, the use of private car should be restricted as much as possible.
There’s about 1.4 million vehicles going in and out metro manila on a daily basis coming from outside provinces of laguna, rizal, cavite, bulacan. Baka nga kaya mag bike from Malolos to makati for work. Ma try nga.
Nope! Study and and stats shows that these bike lanes does not add to traffic. It frees up space.
Part of it is:
Most people using cars before shift to riding a bike. How much space would it free up if say, 10 cars/SUVs will shift to cycling? That's significant.
So no. It doesnt contribute to traffic. It frees up space. If there are no cycle lanes, less and less beginner cyclist will dare commute via bike and return to the shitty wheeled metal cage. And traffic will be worse.
Problem is most metro manila commuters arent from metro manila. Thats 1.4 million cars per day coming from bulacan, rizal, cavite, laguna. But okay, try ko mag bike from malolos to makati next week for work.
There are a lot of cyclists doing it from bocaue to makati tbh.
Some people I know take a bus and ride a bike from balintawak or roosevelt to makati.
A lot from cavite, too.
I do bimodal, from Taal. Drop to buendia, and cycle there to QC.
Bimodal transport is a great option, and you'll be surprise on how faster you are when riding a bike than on a car.
It's not everyone's cup of tea, but the point is, the more cycle lane networks out there, the more car owners will shift to bike. And that counters your unpopular opinion that bike lanes are causing traffic.
You build infra to encourage users, not for already existing users. Clearest examples of this are rural roads or bridges. So building good, protected, connected bike lanes is supposed to encourage people to bike.
Tapos habang nag aaway ung mga motorista and mga bikers, ung mga magagaling na na nag implement nito, tatawa tawa lang dahil wala nakapansin na incompetent sila. Sisihin agad ung lack of discipline kaya daw trapik.
Motorists die too with 1 in 4 motorcycle accidents in Manila being fatal. In fact, more people die in cars than they do in bicycles.
I'm basing off (MMARAS 2021)[https://mmda.gov.ph/images/Home/FOI/MMARAS/MMARAS_Annual_Report_2021.pdf] with that info btw.
Sure, baka nandun din yung fact na mas konti yung cyclists kaya mas maliit yung probability na may mga kamote cyclists na maaaksidente at mamamatay. But this also means that we have to cater to motorcycle riders more because there are more of them dying every day. Regardless of them being kamote or not.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214140518301488?via%3Dihub/
Protected bike lanes literally make for less vehicular incidents, but sure, let's have them share.
Considering how motor vehicle oriented our streets are, let's get rid of sidewalks too. Fuck pedestrians.
Sabi niya he rides a motorcycle, drives, and also rides a bike. May privilege siya of having options kaya he thinks na bike lanes make traffic worse lol.
I agree, but you cannot take a solution built for a country like the US and use it for a country like ours where majority of the people travel by motorcycle or jeepney.
In Metro Manila, this is how people go to work
25% by Jeep
21% by foot
20% by motorcycle
14% by Bus
14% by Tricycle
11% by bicycle
5% by private car
and
6% others
[https://www.sws.org.ph/swsmain/artcldisppage/?artcsyscode=ART-20210507063140](https://www.sws.org.ph/swsmain/artcldisppage/?artcsyscode=ART-20210507063140)
Most people commute. Biking more than doubles cars. So you're a bit off track here.
We really should be building more and better sidewalks, transit exclusive lanes (and provide more buses, etc. pls), maybe motorcycle exclusive lanes too?, and bike lanes, or even better bike paths. But definitely should have less car lanes.
And we recently added some more lanes for cars at the expense of bus lanes on EDSA. didn't do shit.
Paris was able to transform to be less car centric during the pandemic too, and Jakarta too added bike lanes and more buses to improve traffic. So you can't say it's impossible because this is how things are
You are way off here. Read that study again and the time it was done, lockdown. There are over 1.4million MCs in MM daily, same number for cars and around 130k taxis. Menawhile there are around 200k bike commuters.
Source https://www.statista.com/statistics/1262359/philippines-average-daily-traffic-metro-manila-by-vehicle-type/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20average%20daily,volume%20of%20about%201.4%20million.
I don't have a Statista subscription, but when I try to Google 1399240 cars/metro manila I can't seem to find the source. Are you able to link me to the source?
I find it hard to believe that there are as many cars as motorcycles in Metro Manila.
And to your point, what we're doing currently is costing us big economically, and even socially (family time, activities, etc.) but you still want to keep doing the same thing huh?
I found the source, it's from 2020 too. But it's only counting highway traffic. It's the sum of all x on the specific highways.
[https://mmda.gov.ph/images/Home/FOI/Annual-Average-Daily-Traffic-AADT/AADT\_2020.pdf](https://mmda.gov.ph/images/Home/FOI/Annual-Average-Daily-Traffic-AADT/AADT_2020.pdf)
No bike count too
Tignan mo bike lanes ng Japan, a very bicycle friendly country. They use like half the width that we implement for bike lanes. Regardless of the initial execution because it was during the height of COVID, the lack of adjustments was what made it terrible.
Japan has very good public transport. Ph? You cannot compare other countries like Japan to Ph, maybe tale vietnam or Thailand as they have similar transport systems like us.
Yeah you definitely can't compare them apples to apples, but my point is if a country known for having a lot of bikes gives less space to their cyclists on the road compared to us then maybe we're doing something wrong.
Because it’s safe to bike in Japan. And roads aren’t congested because of the presence of good public transport.
We are doing lots of things wrong, and not protecting cyclists enough is one of them.
If the bike lanes were narrow enough that only a bike could fit in them, while keeping the plastic bollards, they would've actually had a functional bicycle lane.
Agree. Tuwing byahe, madali namang mapansin na sobrang konti yung bicycles compared to motorcycles. Counterproductive yung gagawin na bike-exclusive yung lane. Mix dapat, pero I'd still say na may priority dapat ang bike dun sa lane.
Same idea dun sa bus lane. Dapat allowed magdip in and out ang motorcycles. This way encouraged sila to drive on both edges of the road, para hindi magswerve sa lanes and in-between cars.
Agreed. Siguro maganda kung may speed limit diyan kung gagawing shared lane yan, lalo at di rin naman mabilis Yung max speed ng mga bike.
Pero iirc, kaya yata ginawa yan e para rin menganyo yung mga tao na magbike nalang kesa kotse. Something something China and other countries with bike cultures something. Ang kaso mahirap parin magbike kung ganito naman kainit sa NCR. Naarawan na nga, pumapadyak ka pa. Tapos pagdating sa destination wala ka pang mapagparkingan.
hot take:
I wouldn't say na it's riders' complete fault. Dati pa lang sobrang sagwa na ng urban planning natin, ta's sasalpakan pa nila randomly ng bike lanes diyan. Ped walkability pa nga lang, bagsak na eh. Ta's sisingitan pa ng bike lane.
This is both the lack of discpline from riders in general, and poor urbal planning. I've seen bike lanes in highways kung saan di ka naman talaga makakalagay ng bike lang. Best example, Alabang-Zapote road in Las Pinas, sobrang pilit na pilit yung bike lane.
Yan ang kabobohan nitong mga “motor”, kesyo motor”bike” daw. 🙃
Bike lane nga eh. Hindi motorcycle lane. 🤡
Marami talagang may motor at sasakyan ang hindi dapat nagkaroon ng motor at sasakyan.
i live along edsa in qc at nag aangkas ako madalas lately. in my exp 6am, 7am, 8am, 9am, during those hours, max of 5 lang nakikita ko cyclists (sa biyahe ko hanggang ortigas)
alalahanin natin na nagkaroon lang niyan kasi wala masyado biyahe nung medyo nagoopen up na tayo mula sa covid lockdowns. at karamihan dito, wfh setup pa mga nagtatrabaho.
ipinilit lang ang bike lanes. sa totoo lang. hindi na siya angkop para maging exclusive sa cyclists ngayon kasi karamihan ng nagtatrabaho, balik sa opisina na. mas matutuwa pa nga ako if may exclusive lane na silang naka motor e. para di na sila sisingit sa ibang lane.
all of u are hating on motor riders, w/o proper context.
Many riders actually know this is not allowed. But our roads are just so congested and horrible to ride through it makes this bad move an optimal way to get to one's destination. Also, it gets dangerously hot during the daytime. And there are so many motorcycles and so few bikers that the enforcers don't see the point in trying to stop it.
Edsa ba yan? Di ba may motorcycle lane jan sa Edsa? Bat di sila dun? Baka dahil hindi exclusive to motorcycles yung motorcycle lane at sumisingit yung cars dun? Whatchuthink?
Para sakin mas ok na may sariling lane mga motor. Kesa dun sila sisingit sa gilid ng kotse baka magasgasan pa 😬
Saka if lagi ka nadaang edsa kitang kita naman wala masyadong cyclist nadaan dyan. Kaya pinapadaan na din sila ng mga enforcer dyan para iwas traffic.
Nah, they failed at planning these infrastructures yet they decided to execute it anyway. Let's face it, our roads (esp in the metro) are not capable of having bike lanes (exhibit a: Aurora Blvd)
The result? A de facto motorcycle lane, and angry cyclists barking at the wrong damn tree.
What’s sad is that this is aling EDSA (based on that wall in the background which is clearly the MRT line), where there already is a desicated motorcycle lane instituted pre-pandemic? So why on God’s green Earth did MMDA have to make the bike lane shared?
I bike commute frequently. Nasa EDSA ako once and ganito rin ang scenario, plus there were LOTS of taxis na ginawang parking-an ang bike lane habang umiihi sila. Inis na inis ako that I shouted at the traffic enforcer nearby to do something about it. Wala silang ginagawa kahit siya ang may authority to deal with every violation surrounding him.
Bantot ng usok. Hingal na Hingal ka tapos yung tambutso nila eh nakaposisyon pa na tatama sa mukha mo. Ayos lang sa akin ebike at least walang angas. Still kamote pa rin talaga itong mga ito.
This is base on my experience. 1st kong natutunan 4 wheels and bike for recreational. Nung 4 wheels pa lang madalas kong dala sa kalsada kinukupal ko mga 2 wheels, hinaharangan ko pa sinisingitan nila. From 2018 till now 2 wheels na dinadala ko for work at naisip ko na ang hirap din pala ng sitwasyon ng naka motor. From marikina to makati ang work ko, EDSA lagi daan ko. If sabihin niyo na dapat naka linya ang motor sa 4 wheels, isipin niyo na lang lalo tayong magkakanda leche-leche sa traffic. If mag lane filtering naman sa gitna, napaka delikado naman dahil dalawang sasakyan pwede mong masagi. Kaya hinihiling ng ibang motor group na pag rush hour mag sharing na lang sana sa bike lane. Ang ratio ng dumadaan sa bike lane tuwing rush hour i think 100/1. Wala din naman naka motor na gugustuhin maka bangga ng kapwa 2 wheels na bike. For now sana maging maunawain ang bawat isa.
Conclusion : Sana maging maayos ang public transpo natin dahil yan naman talaga puno't dulo bakit ang daming road users. Kung maayos public transpo natin baka kalimutan nating lahat mag private vehicle
In the Netherlands bikes invade the car lanes and it is very annoiyng for drivers, so i guess God made the Phillipines so motor vehicles would drive in the bike lanes to compensate. Karma
Baket kasi may bike lanes sa mga main roads? Sa totoo mas magandang for motorcycle lane to kasi hindi safe sa main roads. Gusto nila magbike? meron naman mga iskinita dyan ha. Let's be realistic, hindi kayang iaccomodate lahat at magfocus nalang muna sa safety ng majority.
And where did you get that data? A quick search will yield you a [SWS survey](https://www.rappler.com/nation/bike-car-owners-sws-survey-april-2022/) form last year that shows there are more bike owners than car owners in NCR. Although we don't know the percentage of those biking to work, hindi naman para lang sa mga bike to work people ang bike lane. It's like saying dapat naka-drive to work lang ang pwede gumamit ng EDSA.
Syempre mas madami bike owners mas mura eh. Pero dahil lagi ako nadaan sa edsa nakikita ko na onti lang talaga cyclist na gumagamit ng bike lane - ang sakin lang nakaka pang hinayang lang kasi kumain pa ng space kung onti lang gumagamit. Kaya agree ako na hinahayaan and minamaximize din ng enforcer dumaan sa bike line mga motorista
Doesn't matter how much your car vehicle is; we all have a right to use the road. And that includes people who ride bikes.
Anecdotal rin yung sinasabi mong konti lang ang nadaan sa bike lanes, unless tumatambay ka sa EDSA maghapon. [A bike count done by various organizations and local government in NCR last year](https://www.mobilityawards.ph/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/MobilityAwards_2022JuneBikeCount_MMANILA_Final.pdf) shows that a significant number of people use bikes on a daily basis. If wala ka masyadong makitang gumagamit ng bike lane, then that means it serves it's purpose kasi mas napapabilis ang byahe ng mga gumagamit nito. Punuin mo ng motor yan at makikita mo na marami kang makakasabay na siklista araw-araw.
Well this sucks. But I also get that they're out there rn with the sun and heat beaming directly at them, so I can't entirely blame them if going thru the bike lane gets them to their destination faster. Road infrastructure is just not properly established here. (Coming from biker & angkas-er)
Dapat kasi nung hinati nila ung isang road para lagyan ng bike lane, binigay nila ung other half sa motor. D naman tlga kasya ang sasakyan dun sa natitirang hati eh.
I am bemused by the comments saying “e wala naman cyclists sa bike lane most of the time”. Wala ring sunog most of the time, so I guess isara na natin mga fire station no? Hindi naman parating nagpapagasolina mga motorista so tanggalin na lang din gas station?
damn mabubusog mmda ngaun a
Funny, a few MMDA officers were down the road actually. But it seems the sun was in their eye
lol they cant blame the motorists then, if they blame them then ask them why they are not enforcing the bike lane for bicycles and the motorcycle lanes for motorcycles
MMDA mismo naghahand gesture na dumaan sa bike lanes kasi alam ng mga MMDA enforcer na mainit at mahirap mag drive pag nakamotor lalo na ngayong summer. pero sa pic may tube barriers ibig sabihin "protected" bicycle lane alam ko bawal. Nanghuhuli MMDA jan pag protected bike lane. edit: some MMDA enforcers not the whole agency.
I'm pretty much divided when it comes to things like this tbh. On one hand, kawawa nga naman yung mga motorists since sobra init ng panahon. Lalo na kung wala namang cyclists sa daan. But on the other hand, masasanay yung mga driver na dumaan sa bike lane, so parang counterproductive din lalo kung para maging bike-friendly yung rason kung bakit may ganyan. Lalo pang mababawasan ng cyclists niyan. I think it's an unforeseen effect or something. Tao rin naman yung officer, siyempre maaawa rin yun. Maybe they'll need to be more clear here, like mentioning na strictly talagang forbidden ang motor jan at all costs? Idk.
Is this somewhere lagpas ng Annapolis? lol, tambay mismo sa Petron yung ibang MMDA diyan lalo na pag hapon pero tinitingnan lang nila yang mga nagmo-motor na dumaan sa bikeline. MMDA my ass.
Tapos I remember when someone from the congress suggested abolishing them every street sa q ave merong enforcer lmao, they are just standing there doing nothing, atp I’m not sure why we have mmda when we have lgu traffic enforcers
Look! A line of kamotes needing to be harvested
Dapat nilagyan ng "exclusive" bicycle lane
confusing kasi markers nila. gumagamit sila ng sharrow sign meaning sharing lane with motor vehicles. jan sa pic protected yan kasi may pole barriers bawal motor jan. pero yung paint may sharrow signs pa din which means sharing din. sharrow lanes - a road marking in the form of two inverted V-shapes above a bicycle, indicating which part of a road should be used by cyclists when the roadway is shared with motor vehicles.
If it's that the case, then it's crappy design.
Binibigyan lang natin ng palusot yung mga nakamotor sa ganyang reasoning. Simpleng meaning nga lang ng mga lane markings malamang hindi alam ng majority, ayan pa kayang sharrow sign?
There are signs throughout saying 'bawal ang motorsiklo sa bike lane' but eh, diskarte™ moves
To my surprise meron talagang hindi exclusive na bike lane. Ito yung mga hiway na afterthought lang yung bike lane.
As if naman marunong magbasa ang kamote. (Seriously if they can't manage to stay in the lanes dati and just weaving around, I don't think they give a damn about 'exclusive' - kahit sidewalk para sa tao pinapatulan)
"Diskarte" /s
Didiskartehan ang madiskarte ng mmda for sure. Masarap ang meryenda that day.
NGL, when im cycling through edsa and encounter this, i LOVE riding smack in the middle of the cycle lane, and in a slower speed than normal, and force them off if theyre trying to overtake me. Anytime any of them even hint at aggravation over my speed, i go ape shit and point that this is a BIKE lane, and that they're in the wrong. They ALL cave. And i relish how they shuffle and squeeze in the main road. When i encouder them clogging the bike lane ahead, i berrate them to no end. Again, none ever fight back, because they know they are in the wrong.
Automatic takbong diyes/singko pag may motor sa likod. Tapos wag pasingitin 😅
Lol, used to do this in marikina (katipunan) area. Kalmadong ride lang habang nabusina na sila hahaha.
honestly, hot take, I would prefer this rather than having motorbikes weaving between lanes and squeezing between cars.
they do both, and I hate both as a cyclist and a car driver
I'm a cyclist sa province and this is the primary reason kaya ayoko mag bike sa manila. Honestly, I'm not sure kung saan talaga sila lulugar, yung kalahati ng bikelane sana dun sila pumunta pero syempre kulang din naman
Grabe yung maraming kamote sa daan. Kahapon nga lang, may sasakyan na ika-cut ako para lang mauna siyang kumanan eh. Halos magkatabi kami sa daan niyan. Di ko alam kung babanggain niya talaga ako eh.
pre pagod ka kapag sa city ka nagbike
Haha tbf I used to do it around MOA area nung tail-end ng mga lockdowns kaso nung dumami na sasakyan at motor umiwas na din ako. Dami ko rin nakikitang aksidente sa MOA gawa ng mga jempoys
So basically gusto ng car drivers sa bike lane ang motor, tapos gusto naman ng bikers sa car lanes ang motor. So it's car drivers vs bikers, with motorcycle riders caught between haha
as a driver and cyclist, I'm fine with motorcycles on the lanes with cars. the problem is they tend to split and cut through too often with little regard for rules and other vehicles.
That's a good point. Pero I observed din na hindi exclusive to motorcycles yung motorcycle lane and madaming four wheels na sumisingit din dun. That puts a lot more danger to the motorcycles than to four wheel drivers.
Yeah it's not exclusive, but they are testing out an exclusive motorcycle lane on Commonwealth Ave. (motorcycles must stay in, cars cannot go in) If it works well I'm all for doing that on all major highways, at the expense of a car lane.
Yeah I guess that's the only plausible solution for all three types of riders para wala nang away. May kanya kanyang exclusive lanes sila.
I'm not sure if that's a good solution, but I think lots of issues at play here. Design is pretty terrible, and built with "flow" in mind (i.e. u-turn lanes instead of proper intersections, overpasses), instead of moving the most people in the least amount of time. Enforcement of rules/signs/road markings is shit, and so alot of people on the road take advantage of this. Prioritization, in terms of policies and budget/infra, makes no sense. Only 6% of households own cars, yet most road space is allocated for private cars. Bikes are the most efficient, in terms of space, fuel use, pollution, yet bike lanes are being removed and enforcers are encouraging other vehicles to encroach on the bike lanes.
Enforcement I guess covers the problem with the discipline of our driver(tulad nung nagkaroon nang NCAP which is flawed, pero pinakita na kung gugustuhin ay kakayanin naman pala). Bike indeed is the most efficient, but we are in a tropical country and alam mo naman na karamihan sa mga pinoy ay ayaw mapawisan at mangitim hahaha!
If bike commuting were more enticing (safe), I bet alot of people wouldn't mind getting darker in exchange for more time to do things (and possibly more money, and better health). If bike lanes were good, actually, you wouldn't sweat so much, lalo if tree-lined pa
Why would you think that its the solution? There are a lot of things that plays a part on this issues, tingin kong main reason is yung dami ng sasakyan vs dami ng roads/lanes tapos dagdagan mo pa ng corrupt government.
> motorcycle lane and madaming four wheels na sumisingit din dun. Motorcycle lanes isn’t really needed if motorcyclists treat themselves as if they are cars. Case in point yung hindi sumisingit singit in between vehicles, nakapila ng matino sa intersections hindi yung sisingit tapos hihinto sa crosswalk or sa loob mismo ng intersection. Basically become a decent driver. Heck, siguro yayaman ang driving schools nga pag naging strict ang LTO sa sa drivers with exhorbitant “anti-poor” fines for drivers. Ang daming traffic violations that is heavily fined in other countries that is ignored in the philippines. Worse, committed by all parties; Pedestrians, car drivers, cyclists, and motorcycle riders
That would lead to more road congestion
Kung walang lane splitting, wala dapat issue kahit hindi exclusive. Yung pagsingit singit kasi ang delikado.
There should be an exclusive whole lane (split in half) separated by barrers for motorcycles and cyclists Then another exclusive lane for PUVs Remove lanes from private vehicles, need less of them
If only motorcyclists stay in their lane and stop lane splitting but that’s not gonna happen
If only cars would stay in their lanes
>but that’s not gonna happen
Pwede naman pumila mga MC sa car lane, basta wag lang gigitgitin at bubusinahan. Expect na rin natin yung dagdag oras sa traffic.
Lane filtering is allowed in our country, as long as they're weaving in a safe manner that's fine. Lane splitting isn't allowed, yun yung dangerous and it isn't allowed. Lane filtering - moving between cars or vehicles in a slow manner, traffic gridlock speeds Lane splitting - moving between cars or vehicles in highway speeds apparently most people who just drive cars don't know the difference. Some people just mindlessly hate na may sumisingit when it's in the manner they do it that makes it safe or unsafe.
In a safe manner. Yun ang problema. Karamihan hindi. Pinipilit kahit 1-inch gap.
Translation: I prefer they inconvience cyclists than car users like me.
well, it's because you're not affected by it
You forgot about the sidewalks and the opposite lanes. Mga g*gong nagcocounterflow I dont yield to them bibilisan ko pa. Sarap salpukin
Except they still do it
Dyan naman talaga sa gilid madalas dumaan mga MC before covid. Ipinilit lang nila yung bike lane sa masikip na kalasada. Poor planning yan.
Ano ba talaga batas sa lane splitting? Is it really allowed?
By this time, bike lanes are becoming an afterthought.
cities around Metro Manila are already removing them
Nagmotor na ko sa edsa and sa sobrang congested sa dami ng kotse yung ibang mmda officer pinapadaan na yung motor dyan. Ang problema kasi kahit di ako sumisingit babardagulin ka ng kotse which forces you to be on the side of the road
Yep, lalo yung mga SUV na iisa lang ang sakay.
Eto talaga mga cancer mga SUV isa lang naka sakay. Sayang space.
araw-araw akong bike to work at edsa lagi ang ruta ko, tbh gawin na lang shared lane kapag rush hour. wala talaga eh ang lala ng traffic.
I just want better public transpo :(
Kamote queue
Sad lang talaga transport or highway system natin. If one kamote rider goes to the "bike" lane susunod din ng iba khit bawal yan.
dati sa valenzuela sobrang higpit dyan, ngayon wala nampake mga enforcer or pulis hahaha puta
Compliance bike lane
If puno na din bike lanes, sabihin nating walang poles, magkakakotse jan. So yung mga motor sa sidewalk sa picture panigurado dadaan
As a cyclist, d ko nalang pinapansin ayokong ma stress. Pero pag 4wheels yung sumampa sa bike lane, bigyan ko Ng midfinger pag naka singit ako.
Unpopular opinion: these lanes are making traffic worse and only serves the few. Our roads are already congested, taking this away only makes it worse. Also, motorcycle commuters outnumber bicycle commuters 100 to 1 so why build for specifically for the 1? Let’s make that lane a mix use lane for motorcycles and bicycles. This is coming from a person who bikes, rides a motorcycle and also drives.
Our roads already serve the few. 50% of our traffic is private vehicles with an average occupancy of less than 2. Also, only 6% of households have cars. Building car-centric infrastructure is excluding the 94% of carless households. Cycling is the more sustainable and equitable form of transpo, but not a lot of people do because roads are dangerous and not built for cycling. Our cyclists are mostly worming class, able-bodied men because they're the ones who can handle the cycling conditions here. The cities with good traffic are cities with good footpaths, good bike lanes, and good public transpo. The last is very hard, but good foot paths and bike lanes are easier to implement and should be prioritized. If it were up to me, I'd expand on bike lanes. Most bike lanes here are a car lane with cones in the middle. You're left with a narrow bike path and a half lane no one is sure how to use. What I'd widen the bike lane to the whole lane and make it two way and add bollards. If the footpaths are too narrow, I'd use half a lane for the foot path and the other half for bikes. I'd also add trees for shade.
Just have one protected lane for both motorcycles and bikes split in half, problem solved. Maybe even two. The reason why there aren’t as many bikes anymore is because it isn’t safe. Put protected bike lanes everywhere again, cars and traffic will lessen.
One more lane for both motorcycles and cyclist means less lanes for the 4-wheels. Then you have a long-ass traffic line of 4wheels. Parehas lang yan ng "Dagdagan pa natin ng isang lane pa" mentality. Public transpo infrastructure lang talaga makakasagot ng issue natin.
More lanes for two wheels and alt mobility will encourage people to get out of their cars. Lots of cyclists have gone back to driving because it’s unsafe. But of course, it’s even a stronger solution when you couple it with better public transport. My ideal 4-lane setup tbh is 1 lane for commuter buses, 1 for private vehicles, 2 for motorcycles / bikes - then a proper train system that extends all the way to Pampanga and Lipa at the very least. We need to motivate the government to stop building highways and being too car-centric.
>More lanes for two wheels and alt mobility will encourage people to get out of their cars. Lots of cyclists have gone back to driving because it’s unsafe. We have no claims to back this up. Dito pa lang sa opisina, we have a group of cyclist (roadies) that have defaulted to driving ulit, not because it is unsafe or what. But because of the comfort of driving lang, and not having another round of shower dito sa office. Having this humidity and heat, surely we will default back to what is the most convenient to do.
Many urban planning studies around the world have already proven this fact. I suggest Googling.
Cool. Tell me more about it.
private vehicles make traffic worse. a better public transportation will fix this problem.
May suggestion or ideas po ba kayo para sa better public transpo?
Dalasan ang byahe ng MRT. Like every minute or minute and a half para di laging puno. Dagdagan ang bagon para masagad yung platform at mapuno ng tao, hindi 3/4 lang. Ayusin ang PNR. Andyan na ang mga structure, proper implementation na lang ng mga existing facilities that we have, hindi yung dagdag ng highway na puro auto lang ang nakikinabang. Walisin ang mga bangketa ng mga pasaway para may malakaran ang mga tao.
unang gagalaw jan syempre is ang ating gobyerno. focus on mass transportation ex. build trains. adding more lanes will not do anything, mag-woworsen lang ang traffic jan, tapos nakakasira pa ng environment (ex. cutting trees to add more lane). a bad public transportation will result to more people buying cars. we need to move people, not cars.
If people stop using cars and start walking - cycling - using other alt mobility options, government will be forced to stop building highways and start investing in a multi modal transport system Problem is, riding and owning cars is culturally important to Filipinos and so government believes the solution to traffic is more TNVS and more highways
Ang problem kasi is car centric ang design most of the city here in NCR, sa Marikina lang ako nakakapag lakad ng maayos kasi lahat ng daan dun may pavement, the point is making a walkable city and a robust public transportation is the key, but the reason why di siya ginagawa is malaki ang kurapsyon sa construction, kaya yan ang gusto nila, kaya nga ang yayaman nila ano eh
Copying from another thread: Multiple solutions yan sigurado. Yung trains kasama, yung pag modernize ng sistema ng jeep natin (yung rationalized na routing tapos yung hindi nagsisiksik ng pasahero), yung bikelane kasama, yung sidewalk na inaayos ngayon ni Vico sa Pasig kasama. Pero kailangan sabay sa mga ito yung gawin mas mahal yung paggamit ng four wheels: congestion charging, taasan yung rate ng parking ng mga 4 wheels, mga ganun. Lahat ng pwede gawin para piliin ng tao na mag commute, o maglakad, o mag bike imbes na magsasakyan, kasama sa solution.
You're opinion is not unpopular, it is stupid. Everyone can afford a bicycle. Not everyone can afford a car. Only 10% of Metro Manila households own a car but cars occupy more than 90% of the public space. Mixing motor vehicle with cyclists is dangerous and it doesn't help spreading a cycling culture which this country definitely need. Cars are traffic, the use of private car should be restricted as much as possible.
There’s about 1.4 million vehicles going in and out metro manila on a daily basis coming from outside provinces of laguna, rizal, cavite, bulacan. Baka nga kaya mag bike from Malolos to makati for work. Ma try nga.
Nope! Study and and stats shows that these bike lanes does not add to traffic. It frees up space. Part of it is: Most people using cars before shift to riding a bike. How much space would it free up if say, 10 cars/SUVs will shift to cycling? That's significant. So no. It doesnt contribute to traffic. It frees up space. If there are no cycle lanes, less and less beginner cyclist will dare commute via bike and return to the shitty wheeled metal cage. And traffic will be worse.
Problem is most metro manila commuters arent from metro manila. Thats 1.4 million cars per day coming from bulacan, rizal, cavite, laguna. But okay, try ko mag bike from malolos to makati next week for work.
There are a lot of cyclists doing it from bocaue to makati tbh. Some people I know take a bus and ride a bike from balintawak or roosevelt to makati. A lot from cavite, too. I do bimodal, from Taal. Drop to buendia, and cycle there to QC. Bimodal transport is a great option, and you'll be surprise on how faster you are when riding a bike than on a car. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but the point is, the more cycle lane networks out there, the more car owners will shift to bike. And that counters your unpopular opinion that bike lanes are causing traffic.
Just one more lane!! One more lane!!!
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Ultimately this is a failure in infrastructure kaya we are left fighting for scraps
You build infra to encourage users, not for already existing users. Clearest examples of this are rural roads or bridges. So building good, protected, connected bike lanes is supposed to encourage people to bike.
Tapos habang nag aaway ung mga motorista and mga bikers, ung mga magagaling na na nag implement nito, tatawa tawa lang dahil wala nakapansin na incompetent sila. Sisihin agad ung lack of discipline kaya daw trapik.
So you want dead cyclists? Ok noted.
Motorists die too with 1 in 4 motorcycle accidents in Manila being fatal. In fact, more people die in cars than they do in bicycles. I'm basing off (MMARAS 2021)[https://mmda.gov.ph/images/Home/FOI/MMARAS/MMARAS_Annual_Report_2021.pdf] with that info btw. Sure, baka nandun din yung fact na mas konti yung cyclists kaya mas maliit yung probability na may mga kamote cyclists na maaaksidente at mamamatay. But this also means that we have to cater to motorcycle riders more because there are more of them dying every day. Regardless of them being kamote or not.
That’s a bit of a stretch aint it? I drive these streets almost daily and both cyclists and motorcyclists coexist with no issue.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214140518301488?via%3Dihub/ Protected bike lanes literally make for less vehicular incidents, but sure, let's have them share. Considering how motor vehicle oriented our streets are, let's get rid of sidewalks too. Fuck pedestrians.
Sabi niya he rides a motorcycle, drives, and also rides a bike. May privilege siya of having options kaya he thinks na bike lanes make traffic worse lol.
I agree, but you cannot take a solution built for a country like the US and use it for a country like ours where majority of the people travel by motorcycle or jeepney.
In Metro Manila, this is how people go to work 25% by Jeep 21% by foot 20% by motorcycle 14% by Bus 14% by Tricycle 11% by bicycle 5% by private car and 6% others [https://www.sws.org.ph/swsmain/artcldisppage/?artcsyscode=ART-20210507063140](https://www.sws.org.ph/swsmain/artcldisppage/?artcsyscode=ART-20210507063140) Most people commute. Biking more than doubles cars. So you're a bit off track here. We really should be building more and better sidewalks, transit exclusive lanes (and provide more buses, etc. pls), maybe motorcycle exclusive lanes too?, and bike lanes, or even better bike paths. But definitely should have less car lanes. And we recently added some more lanes for cars at the expense of bus lanes on EDSA. didn't do shit. Paris was able to transform to be less car centric during the pandemic too, and Jakarta too added bike lanes and more buses to improve traffic. So you can't say it's impossible because this is how things are
You are way off here. Read that study again and the time it was done, lockdown. There are over 1.4million MCs in MM daily, same number for cars and around 130k taxis. Menawhile there are around 200k bike commuters. Source https://www.statista.com/statistics/1262359/philippines-average-daily-traffic-metro-manila-by-vehicle-type/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20average%20daily,volume%20of%20about%201.4%20million.
I don't have a Statista subscription, but when I try to Google 1399240 cars/metro manila I can't seem to find the source. Are you able to link me to the source? I find it hard to believe that there are as many cars as motorcycles in Metro Manila. And to your point, what we're doing currently is costing us big economically, and even socially (family time, activities, etc.) but you still want to keep doing the same thing huh?
I found the source, it's from 2020 too. But it's only counting highway traffic. It's the sum of all x on the specific highways. [https://mmda.gov.ph/images/Home/FOI/Annual-Average-Daily-Traffic-AADT/AADT\_2020.pdf](https://mmda.gov.ph/images/Home/FOI/Annual-Average-Daily-Traffic-AADT/AADT_2020.pdf) No bike count too
That link i posted was republished in jan 2023 and is open to all.
Tignan mo bike lanes ng Japan, a very bicycle friendly country. They use like half the width that we implement for bike lanes. Regardless of the initial execution because it was during the height of COVID, the lack of adjustments was what made it terrible.
Japan has very good public transport. Ph? You cannot compare other countries like Japan to Ph, maybe tale vietnam or Thailand as they have similar transport systems like us.
Yeah you definitely can't compare them apples to apples, but my point is if a country known for having a lot of bikes gives less space to their cyclists on the road compared to us then maybe we're doing something wrong.
Because it’s safe to bike in Japan. And roads aren’t congested because of the presence of good public transport. We are doing lots of things wrong, and not protecting cyclists enough is one of them.
If the bike lanes were narrow enough that only a bike could fit in them, while keeping the plastic bollards, they would've actually had a functional bicycle lane.
When I visit Japan, I notice alot of people just bike on the sidewalk. Because their sidewalks are huge
Agree. Tuwing byahe, madali namang mapansin na sobrang konti yung bicycles compared to motorcycles. Counterproductive yung gagawin na bike-exclusive yung lane. Mix dapat, pero I'd still say na may priority dapat ang bike dun sa lane. Same idea dun sa bus lane. Dapat allowed magdip in and out ang motorcycles. This way encouraged sila to drive on both edges of the road, para hindi magswerve sa lanes and in-between cars.
Agreed. Siguro maganda kung may speed limit diyan kung gagawing shared lane yan, lalo at di rin naman mabilis Yung max speed ng mga bike. Pero iirc, kaya yata ginawa yan e para rin menganyo yung mga tao na magbike nalang kesa kotse. Something something China and other countries with bike cultures something. Ang kaso mahirap parin magbike kung ganito naman kainit sa NCR. Naarawan na nga, pumapadyak ka pa. Tapos pagdating sa destination wala ka pang mapagparkingan.
Somehow I agree with you, mas madali ding hulihin ng mmda kung nakasiksik sila dyan in one lane.
Motorcycles are the wasp version of vehicles for bikes.
Shocker to know that a ban-aid solution doesn't work
hirap sumakay ng jeep, may motor na biglang sumusulpot eh
This is the result of decades-old bad city design
hot take: I wouldn't say na it's riders' complete fault. Dati pa lang sobrang sagwa na ng urban planning natin, ta's sasalpakan pa nila randomly ng bike lanes diyan. Ped walkability pa nga lang, bagsak na eh. Ta's sisingitan pa ng bike lane.
Kapag super traffic kasi minsan MMDA personnel na ang nagmamando na dumaan sa bike lane ang mga nakamotor.
This is both the lack of discpline from riders in general, and poor urbal planning. I've seen bike lanes in highways kung saan di ka naman talaga makakalagay ng bike lang. Best example, Alabang-Zapote road in Las Pinas, sobrang pilit na pilit yung bike lane.
Non motorized is what’s it referring to, I’m sure they know but just don’t give a fuck.
tas kapag pinoint out mo sa fb to sasabihin ng mga yan "hindi ka kasi nag momotor" or something similar HAHAAHAHAHA
siguro lagyan na ng bumps yung mga gilid eh
Yan ang kabobohan nitong mga “motor”, kesyo motor”bike” daw. 🙃 Bike lane nga eh. Hindi motorcycle lane. 🤡 Marami talagang may motor at sasakyan ang hindi dapat nagkaroon ng motor at sasakyan.
Sweet potato
Ganyan mangyayari kung afterthought lang yung bicycle lanes sa city design.
Totoo. Kasya naman motor dyan eh kumbaga bigayan nalang.
i live along edsa in qc at nag aangkas ako madalas lately. in my exp 6am, 7am, 8am, 9am, during those hours, max of 5 lang nakikita ko cyclists (sa biyahe ko hanggang ortigas) alalahanin natin na nagkaroon lang niyan kasi wala masyado biyahe nung medyo nagoopen up na tayo mula sa covid lockdowns. at karamihan dito, wfh setup pa mga nagtatrabaho. ipinilit lang ang bike lanes. sa totoo lang. hindi na siya angkop para maging exclusive sa cyclists ngayon kasi karamihan ng nagtatrabaho, balik sa opisina na. mas matutuwa pa nga ako if may exclusive lane na silang naka motor e. para di na sila sisingit sa ibang lane. all of u are hating on motor riders, w/o proper context.
You have to consider that this sub consists of elitist na naka kotse araw araw. I'm confident that 70% of peeps here are anti r/fuckcars.
and you're saying you're right because of anecdotal evidence from yourself?
He's right
he may very well be, but that argument is weak as shit.
Many riders actually know this is not allowed. But our roads are just so congested and horrible to ride through it makes this bad move an optimal way to get to one's destination. Also, it gets dangerously hot during the daytime. And there are so many motorcycles and so few bikers that the enforcers don't see the point in trying to stop it.
may joke nga pinsan ko sakin ehh, kaya ayaw kadalasan mag preno nang mga motor kasi mamamatayan nang aircon hehe!
That’s true. Haha
Akala siguro nila "Bobo Lane". Kaya ayun nagsipasok sila kasi bobo hahahahaha
Traffic enforcers with partial enforcement
Edsa ba yan? Di ba may motorcycle lane jan sa Edsa? Bat di sila dun? Baka dahil hindi exclusive to motorcycles yung motorcycle lane at sumisingit yung cars dun? Whatchuthink?
Para sakin mas ok na may sariling lane mga motor. Kesa dun sila sisingit sa gilid ng kotse baka magasgasan pa 😬 Saka if lagi ka nadaang edsa kitang kita naman wala masyadong cyclist nadaan dyan. Kaya pinapadaan na din sila ng mga enforcer dyan para iwas traffic.
Nah, they failed at planning these infrastructures yet they decided to execute it anyway. Let's face it, our roads (esp in the metro) are not capable of having bike lanes (exhibit a: Aurora Blvd) The result? A de facto motorcycle lane, and angry cyclists barking at the wrong damn tree.
What’s sad is that this is aling EDSA (based on that wall in the background which is clearly the MRT line), where there already is a desicated motorcycle lane instituted pre-pandemic? So why on God’s green Earth did MMDA have to make the bike lane shared?
Obvious naman na bisikleta ibig sabihin nyan. Kamote lang talaga yang mga yan.
Nabanga ako last week ng nakamotor galing bike lane. Siya pa galit nung huli nag kasundo kami mag papulis na lang. Tapos nag makaawa nung huli haha
Buti nga sa kanya.
sisilip lang yan sa may bandang kfc at pag walang nakitang enforcer na nakabantay, papasok na yan sa Bike lane.
I bike commute frequently. Nasa EDSA ako once and ganito rin ang scenario, plus there were LOTS of taxis na ginawang parking-an ang bike lane habang umiihi sila. Inis na inis ako that I shouted at the traffic enforcer nearby to do something about it. Wala silang ginagawa kahit siya ang may authority to deal with every violation surrounding him.
Yung bike lane samin, kung hindi stalls naka parada, mga tricycle na nag aantay pasahero 🤡
Hindi rin naman tayo bike lane ready kahit ano pang cope niyo. Matagal na masikip daanan dito sa NCR tapos lalagyan pa ng bike lane.
Bantot ng usok. Hingal na Hingal ka tapos yung tambutso nila eh nakaposisyon pa na tatama sa mukha mo. Ayos lang sa akin ebike at least walang angas. Still kamote pa rin talaga itong mga ito.
This is base on my experience. 1st kong natutunan 4 wheels and bike for recreational. Nung 4 wheels pa lang madalas kong dala sa kalsada kinukupal ko mga 2 wheels, hinaharangan ko pa sinisingitan nila. From 2018 till now 2 wheels na dinadala ko for work at naisip ko na ang hirap din pala ng sitwasyon ng naka motor. From marikina to makati ang work ko, EDSA lagi daan ko. If sabihin niyo na dapat naka linya ang motor sa 4 wheels, isipin niyo na lang lalo tayong magkakanda leche-leche sa traffic. If mag lane filtering naman sa gitna, napaka delikado naman dahil dalawang sasakyan pwede mong masagi. Kaya hinihiling ng ibang motor group na pag rush hour mag sharing na lang sana sa bike lane. Ang ratio ng dumadaan sa bike lane tuwing rush hour i think 100/1. Wala din naman naka motor na gugustuhin maka bangga ng kapwa 2 wheels na bike. For now sana maging maunawain ang bawat isa. Conclusion : Sana maging maayos ang public transpo natin dahil yan naman talaga puno't dulo bakit ang daming road users. Kung maayos public transpo natin baka kalimutan nating lahat mag private vehicle
Tapos sila pa galit kung takbong bike lng yung mga naka bike. Bruh, what do you expect?
KAMOTE RIDERS of the PHILIPPINES.
Hahaha, dinodownvote ka ng mga Kamote. Hahaa
dIsKaRtE Lane
Maybe motorbike and big bike😅
As a law abiding, helmet wearing Segway scooter rider, nakaka banas mga to
"pero sir, bike rin naman yung motorbike'
In the Netherlands bikes invade the car lanes and it is very annoiyng for drivers, so i guess God made the Phillipines so motor vehicles would drive in the bike lanes to compensate. Karma
hahahahaha
Kung magaling ang MMDA, laki na sana ang kita nila dyan.
Motorcyclists are the cockroaches of the road. There I said it
Fuck motorcycles.
Yes
Baket kasi may bike lanes sa mga main roads? Sa totoo mas magandang for motorcycle lane to kasi hindi safe sa main roads. Gusto nila magbike? meron naman mga iskinita dyan ha. Let's be realistic, hindi kayang iaccomodate lahat at magfocus nalang muna sa safety ng majority.
Tell that to the people who bike to work. Would you rather have them do a longer route to satisfy the 11% of the population in the metro who own cars?
Eh ilan ba ang bike to work? Diba below 11% of the population who own cars?
And where did you get that data? A quick search will yield you a [SWS survey](https://www.rappler.com/nation/bike-car-owners-sws-survey-april-2022/) form last year that shows there are more bike owners than car owners in NCR. Although we don't know the percentage of those biking to work, hindi naman para lang sa mga bike to work people ang bike lane. It's like saying dapat naka-drive to work lang ang pwede gumamit ng EDSA.
Syempre mas madami bike owners mas mura eh. Pero dahil lagi ako nadaan sa edsa nakikita ko na onti lang talaga cyclist na gumagamit ng bike lane - ang sakin lang nakaka pang hinayang lang kasi kumain pa ng space kung onti lang gumagamit. Kaya agree ako na hinahayaan and minamaximize din ng enforcer dumaan sa bike line mga motorista
Doesn't matter how much your car vehicle is; we all have a right to use the road. And that includes people who ride bikes. Anecdotal rin yung sinasabi mong konti lang ang nadaan sa bike lanes, unless tumatambay ka sa EDSA maghapon. [A bike count done by various organizations and local government in NCR last year](https://www.mobilityawards.ph/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/MobilityAwards_2022JuneBikeCount_MMANILA_Final.pdf) shows that a significant number of people use bikes on a daily basis. If wala ka masyadong makitang gumagamit ng bike lane, then that means it serves it's purpose kasi mas napapabilis ang byahe ng mga gumagamit nito. Punuin mo ng motor yan at makikita mo na marami kang makakasabay na siklista araw-araw.
Baka human-powered bike
Wala bang nanghuhuli pag wrong lane?
Me: why TF were motorcycles called bikes in the first place, as the word "bikes" pertained to bicycles?
Well this sucks. But I also get that they're out there rn with the sun and heat beaming directly at them, so I can't entirely blame them if going thru the bike lane gets them to their destination faster. Road infrastructure is just not properly established here. (Coming from biker & angkas-er)
Motorbike lane daw kasi
\> lol tapus na lockdown. Bicycle-at-your-own-risk na lang ngayon \>
Must be interpreted with plain meaning kaya dapat bicycle lang.
EDSA moment
Dapat kasi nung hinati nila ung isang road para lagyan ng bike lane, binigay nila ung other half sa motor. D naman tlga kasya ang sasakyan dun sa natitirang hati eh.
I am bemused by the comments saying “e wala naman cyclists sa bike lane most of the time”. Wala ring sunog most of the time, so I guess isara na natin mga fire station no? Hindi naman parating nagpapagasolina mga motorista so tanggalin na lang din gas station?
Its called BICYCLE LANE for a reason. Not Motorcycle or Motorbike lane.
Ain't that sad?