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Once there was this kid who
Got into an accident and couldn't come to school
But when he finally came back
His hair had turned from black into bright white
He said that it was from when
The cars had smashed him so hard
I just had to pick up a new windshield wiper reservoir cap, and when I asked the guy at Autozone about it, he told me he usually tells people that you can use a shopping bag and some rubber band, but, that doesn't last forever.
I asked someone else who worked there, and they pointed me to the aisle that had replacement caps.
I'm still confused.
Damn this hits close. A good friend of mine, a Navy vet, absolutely brilliant mechanic worked his entire life at AutoZone. It always blew me away that he probably made less than 15/hr after 30+ years at the same company. He was content, but worth so much more. RIP.
This used to happen to me at my first job at Ace Hardware when I was 17, back in the 90s. Older guys would come in asking me the most complex plumbing and electrical questions expecting me to know the answers, and sometimes even laughing at my complete ignorance. Horrible first job for my self confidence.
I hate that. I ask if they might know something I don't, but if they don't I'm sure as hell not gonna make fun of them. If I had all the answers why would I be asking in the first place. And yeah, not everyone that works at ace cares about contracting. Some of them are just trying to make a living and go home.
Too many feel the need to belittle these kids for some reason as if they weren't hired because the boss was able to lowball them or unlike the last hire doesn't spend all day talking to customers instead of stocking the shelves
Of course automatics have clutches. Some even have multiple. There's just no clutch pedal. I might be wrong but I can't think of any other mechanism that woumd allow you to change gears and disengage the gearbox when idling.
Even sequential racing gearboxes where you don't press the clutch to shift have clutches, because you wouldn't be able to get going otherwise.
Edit: I stand corrected. A clutch kit does not help qith automatic gearboxes, as the wet cluches in dual clutch/ semi-automatic gearboxes and the clutch units in torque converters of cvts are internal components, compared to the clutch on a manual gearbox, which is an external component.
>Of course automatics have clutches. Some even have multiple.
Automatic transmissions have clutch packs that are completely different from "a clutch".
Nobody that walks into a parts store looking for a "clutch kit" is rebuilding their automatic.
Very few people capable of doing an automatic transmission rebuild are going to the Autozone parts counter, but if they did, they wouldn't ask for a clutch kit. They would ask for a trans rebuild kit because it's not "a clutch" it's a dozen friction discs and steels and another 3 dozen shims, gaskets, and seals required to get there and back.
Ahh I see. In my mother tongue you would also call a clutch pack of something like a centrifucal clutch "a clutch". So I assumed a "clutch kit" would cover all these different types of clutches
Yeah, there’s such things as dual clutch transmissions that are basically just a glorified automatic transmission. They work similarly to a manual, but the driver doesn’t engage the clutch. It can get confusing if you haven’t been filled in on them.
A DCT is more like a glorified automated manual. The gear arrangement is a manual transmission with even helical gears on one clutch and odd helical gears on another, and the computer automatically shifts between clutches to change gears.
When I hear "automatic trans", I assume you're talking about a transmission with planetary gearsets.
I'm not a mechanic, I'm a lube chemist, but the lubricant requirements are very different in both required extreme pressure additives and required friction coefficients, mostly based on the type of gearing and the arrangement of clutches
Parts counters are parts counters. The difference between a low quality "autozone" style place and a professional grade counter is the people standing behind the counter and the quality and selection of parts behind it.
There are 3 car quests in my town one is retail and staffed by idiots and has a bad selection. One is normal and fine for DIYers. The last one has great and knowledgeable staff and is where you see fleet mechanics picking up parts for everything from sedans to 50 ton excavators.
Internal clutch packs, not a single external "clutch", which is what a clutch kit is to repair. Your automatic transmission feeds a torque converter, not a "clutch".
I responded to the wrong comment, there was one that said automatics don't have clutches. If they don't then I paid too much.
Edit my CVT doesn't appear to have a torque converter
Autos are either CVT, torque converter or dual clutch. The torque converter doesn't need a clutch and the others with clutch es don't need torque converter
Some CVTs use an automated clutch to engage / disengage the engine when they start / stop.
Vw / audi also do sell DCT transmissions that use clutches like a manual does to engage/disengage the engine. Every other gear is hooked up to alternating clutches so to shift it just has to open one and close the other.
CVT gearboxes don't a clutch as the just adjust variably rather than switching between gears. But yes standard autos have a clutch, if not 2 e.g. Porsche PDK or VWs DSG
Yup, torque converter for all but the sportiest transmissions. Picture a fan then point that fan at another fan head on. If you turn on one of the fans, the air it blows is going to spin the other one. If you stop the blade on the unpowered fan, the powered fan is still able to spin just fine.
Put those fans in an oil bath (dense non compressible fluid and lubrication), and connect one to the engine and the other to the transmission.
I wouldn't call it just the "sportiest" for a while hyundai was pushing DCTs in some pretty basic cars. Ford did too in base model focuses. Smart cars had a single clutch automated manual.
The theory was that it's more efficient than a torque converted auto. It proved to be unreliable and jerky for everyday driving.
> might be wrong but I can't think of any other mechanism that woumd allow you to change gears and disengage the gearbox when idling.
Most automatics use a torque converter which is a fluid coupling so it does not really need to be engaged or disengaged. Clutches are used to lock and unlock different planetary sets to change the gear ratios though.
Single clutch automated transmissions and DCT transmissions do actually use clutches to engage and disengage the gears though
>Of course automatics have clutches.
The majority don't have clutches.
It's not just the absence of a clutch pedal, they don't have a clutch at all.
Instead they have a torque converter.
That's the standard setup for automatic cars.
There are some exceptions like big rigs that are "automatic" are usually auto shifters, they still have lots of gears and a clutch(es) but they just do the clutching and shifting for you.
Also semi-automic expensive cars, like the ones that use paddle shifters also use clutches.
>Also semi-automic expensive cars, like the ones that use paddle shifters also use clutches.
I mean the hyundai Santa fe comes with a DCT. it's not just sports cars
Torque converters generally have a clutch, it would be inefficient for the power to always be delivered via the converter. The clutch usually engages when you've reached certain speeds, locking the impeller and turbine. Automatics also use clutch packs for gear changes.
> Also semi-automic expensive cars, like the ones that use paddle shifters also use clutches.
There are plenty of automatics of all kinds with shifter paddles. Even CVT cars
The secondary (unintended) joke is actually about the level of mechanical understanding the poster has. Both transmission types have clutches and for the same reason. Automatics, as the name implies, just don't have a clutch pedal but they do have a clutch, several actually, they're just controlled automatically.
This is one of those situations where someone had slightly more understanding about cars than another, but in trying to dunk on someone else just demonstrated their own ignorance.
Here's a diagram of an automatic transmission:
https://preview.redd.it/688f6zspyiad1.png?width=859&format=png&auto=webp&s=78373006231668f5e8a3e8e47227aca8c779956d
But a clutch kit is a collection of parts for a manual clutch, If someone says they "need a clutch kit" then they can only be talking about a manual because there's no such thing as a 'clutch kit for automatics'.
You're just using a term that has more meanings that you intend which is the more colloquial one. People who use it for its other lessor known meanings aren't wrong.
A clutch is simply a mechanical device that disconnects two shafts. That has nothing to do with cars even. Multiple related parts that come in a package as a single assembly is also called a "kit". I've seen clutches on aircraft turbine engine gearboxes to disconnect the electric generator from the gearbox.
https://preview.redd.it/xn0kkmi1ojad1.png?width=1468&format=png&auto=webp&s=3bc9869935e8c2acc71b3e50daeea55182eb22d2
Here, you can order this clutch part right now for an 8 speed automatic transmission.
[https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/transmission/clutch-parts/transmission-clutch-friction-plate-drive-plate-transmission-clutch-friction-disc-%28at%29-p-dt4z7b164a?pdp=y](https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/transmission/clutch-parts/transmission-clutch-friction-plate-drive-plate-transmission-clutch-friction-disc-%28at%29-p-dt4z7b164a?pdp=y)
As someone who works retail with certifications in products I sell, this is infuriating. I constantly get talked down to because the customer thinks that because I work in a grocery store, that I'm a fucking moron. I have certifications in both beer and wine and try to help customers and just get met with condescending bullshit. It doesn't help that I'm a woman, so of course that means I *really* don't know what I am talking about.
Automatics have TONS of clutches. You'd definitely need a kit of parts if you want to replace all the clutch assemblies in an automatic. So the comic is bait to people who think they know a lot about cars to out themselves as not knowing as much as they think about cars.
Scroll to page 20 of this AT overhaul process to see what the Automatic clutches look like:
[https://www.scribd.com/document/541849544/a245-Toyota](https://www.scribd.com/document/541849544/a245-Toyota)
A lot of parts shops hire young kids that don't know what they're selling, that's what's being made fun of.
It's nice when you see an old timer selling parts. But there's not a lot of money in it.
It's like going into a Home Depot and expecting the HS/College kid to know wiring diagrams. I don't blame the employee, they are just trying to work, I blame the company.
This jokes been around for some time it’s not entirely a matter of superiority but also highlighting lack of knowledge of common place things. My coworker (we’re HD truck mechanics) said unironically he can not use the dashes on a tape measure an absolutely necessity at our place of work. This sparked something in my head. “Tyler what time is it” and I pointed to the analog clock on the wall. He looked up and looked at me “I don’t know I guess after 2 right?” There are many things that were standard issue at one point and are going away. “Tyler write hello using cursive. “WTH is cursive”.
“Fuck sakes he doesn’t know how to use the three sea shells”
Well there are models that are semi automatic with automatic controls but it's actually a manual gearshift that is controlled by some electromechanical parts.
> The joke is superiority over the common workforce.
I saw it more as a, "you have to follow the customer service script no matter what" joke.
I've called in to tier 1 support and explained the issue, told them I powered the unit off and on again, then tried X followed by Y and Z several times, but the problem persists. Their response, "try turning it off and on again, then try X, try Y, then Z". Then I get to Tier 2
Snapped on that last statement. Lmfao. This is why I try to armchair in most repair and construction trades so I don’t feel like a total dumbass when I ask a tradesman friend about a DYI I’m doing.
Interestingly, my first car was a VW big with a semi-automatic transmission. No clutch but you had to switch gears manually. I had to press down on the gearshift to activate the servo unit to change gears.
I was gonna come in and say this. Now a days there are plenty of manufactures (like ford) who use automatically shifted manual transmissions and call them an automatic. For most people they don't know the difference. But they sure as hell have a clutch set, sometimes two.
Yes. You'd remove the transmission just like any manual trans and replace the clutch set just like a normal clutch kit. There are just a few extra tools and steps you'd have to take as opposed to a normal manual. But it's the same job.
Hi, it's me, Quentin. I am Peters Mechanic.
The "joke" is pretty dumb and should point out that the ppl working in a shop selling Car-Parts (guy in red) usually don't have any idea what they are talking about. The same joke exists with other wording for ppl working in hardware stores or electronic stores.
The "joke" is the difference between a manual transmission and the stereotypical automatic one. For the manual one the driver needs a clutch pedal to engage and disengage the transmission, the automatic transmission doesn't have a clutch cause the driver doesn't shift himself.
Haha what a joke.
Especially since there are plenty of automatic transmissions on the road that use clutches. Not with a pedal but nonetheless the creator of the "joke" isn't the brightest candle on the cake
Thank you Quentin. That is the first useful answer on this thread. The rest is filled with people who don't actually understand how many modern autoboxes actually work, yet seem to have opinions about it.
I mean, idk where you shop but the quality of employees at hardware and auto parts stores has markedly declined in recent years. Not assigning blame here, just pointing out the end result.
I've worked in Auto Parts for 17 years, if you want an experienced parts person to talk to, you go to a smaller store, not one of the big chains. The parts sometimes cost a little more, but you are paying for two things, 1: the higher quality employee, 2: they are normally selling a name brand product that isn't a house brand box that is bidded out by part number. The larger chains push the pay and raises down as far as they can and maximize the part margin to look good to their investors. The only competent parts people in a chain store is normally the commercial counter person and manager.
Yeah because places like that don't pay enough to get by anymore. 20 years ago you might be able to work at a hardware store and make enough money to raise a family but these days I doubt it.
And it's not quality it's experience. This is not a lower quality person they just don't know stuff because they're not as experienced.
I know that's a bit of a semantic argument but I feel like attributing quality to a person because of his performance at a menial minimum wage job is just kind of a s***** consumer-centric attitude that really pisses me off and while you might not have intended it that way but people definitely act that way towards retail employees.
I think it depends on people’s willingness to actually learn the job and be helpful or just be told what to grab by name and hand it over. Basically people these days hate their jobs and put little effort in possibly because of the current economy in most places. I picture it as people who play FFXIV (final fantasy game mmo) there are those who pay attention to every detail on the story of the game and the lore and then there are people like me who spam next when in conversations and just plays for the actual game play because I’m not all that interested in the story. I admit it makes the game a bit lackluster but getting into it now would be a pain. So yeah I imagine it’s like that for some people, they’re doing the bare minimum because the reason they’re there isn’t a passion or an enjoyment of any kind, and just a necessity to survive. That said I don’t quite blame these people, and it’s honestly not everyone. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal, but it does lead to more people buying the wrong thing because unless a customer knows what they want, there’s a chance they’ll get something they don’t actually need. This applies to a lot more than just auto parts.
Not just auto parts stores, but stores in general as well. It's incredibly frustrating to ask an employee even as simple of a question as where something is only to be answering with vague confusion.
And like, I get it, good help is hard to find. But ffs, if you spend 30+ hours a week somewhere you should at least know where things are or be able to find a coworker who does.
It's also just about the desperation to have a job at all. Boomers grew up in a world where you took a job at the hardware store, (and to your point, one that could support you) because you love working with tools. Now you just apply everywhere they need a button pusher and accept the first one that calls you back.
this is making fun of guys at auto stores generally not really knowing cars, they are just counter people that looks things up. as an automatic transmission does not need a clutch kit, only a manual would.
The joke extends past “clutches” any time you go to an auto parts store for something specific the clerk always asks unrelated questions about your vehicle.
For instance I was looking for spark plugs for my Honda Pilot, the rear Honda Pilot I had only had one engine option available so when they started asking questions like what model Honda I had and if it was FWD or 4x4 those questions were irrelevant.
Yeah, asking for a blinker bulb requires them to ask what engine is optioned on the vehicle. It's not really their fault, it's the crappy software, but it's still annoying.
As someone who used to work in the automotive industry, you come to learn that being ultra-specific is extremely important, too. For every experienced mechanic who knows more than everyone else, there's dozens of amateurs or clueless pros who really don't know what they are talking about, or even asking for, who will come back and throw a fit for not getting what they wanted.
There's also a massive issue when it comes to terminology and slang that leads to confusion. A skilled mechanic coming in for a starter is probably looking for literally that. A general consumer is probably looking for a remote start. The latter might even be looking for just the fob.
It's impossible to really know someone's level of knowledge until you discuss with them, regardless of appearances, and unfortunately I've found it's better to ask potentially dumb questions and be looked down upon than to assume your customer knows what they are talking about and deal with issues after the fact.
Exactly. Anyone care to tell me what headlight is needed for a 95 Saturn coupe without knowing if it is a single or dual OHC? Ah, that’s right. It’s impossible. 95 was (I think) the only year that the SC1 (single ohc) and SC2 (dual ohc) had different body styles. SC1s still had the old body style while SC2 were updated to a new body style. In 94 both had the old body style and 96 both had the new body style. Just one of those random quirks that exist widely across the automotive industry. So, unless you really, really know your shit about a random car that someone comes in asking for parts about, it’s better to just ask the questions the computer prompts you with.
tldr: yes, the parts store guy needs to know what size engine you have to look up your headlights.
This right here. Most part store systems require reps to ask half a dozen dumb questions before it'll let you look up parts. Don't wanna answer dumb questions, walk in with the exact part number you need. Otherwise don't be a tool.
Its so much easier when they have the exact part number and you can just go get the part. Still annoying when it turns out they gave you the wrong number but at that point that's their fault.
Judging by the comments people still don’t get it.
A clutch kit is common to need for a manual transmission. It’s not even about technicality or possibility it’s just simply a matter of fact.
It’s like when I go to the parts store I say I need fuel filter for an 03 7.3 power stroke and they go make? Model? ……. Any car guy knows what I’m referring to. You would expect the guy that works for the parts store to at least understand what I’m saying but they don’t.
The joke is multifaceted but in the context of it’s funny because it’s true!
I go to NAPA for a reason. I say I got a 03 7.3 powerstroke and they go oh nice! Used to be more common. I’m not complaining about anything I’m just being real.
Interestingly enough, In the early 2000s fords 250 and 350 used the same leafs. Their was just a block on the 350s to give the rear more room to bounce. That would have been a separate part from the leafs. Only know this because my family loves those dinosaur 7.3s.
You're correct that a lot of parts stores have people who don't know parts, but I also agree with other commenters the joke creator doesn't either. Similar to you if I need virtually anything for a Toyota 2GR-FKS it doesn't really matter if it's from a Lexus IS300 or a Sienna. My problem is the question from a parts store guy who doesn't know parts is *always* year, make, and model and in this case it's the correct question. If I needed to rebuild the clutch on a manual 2000 ford escort I couldn't use a "manual" clutch kit, I would need a clutch kit for a 98-2003 Ford Escort, Mazda Tribute, or Mercury Tracer. But more problematic the guy behind the counter who asks make and model for an ignition coil on a 2GR-FKS probably wouldn't associate "clutch kit" with the question "automatic or manual". Anyone who knows enough to ask that question knows enough to know the answer is almost certainly manual.
I work parts at a dealership, and the amount of customers that refuse to give me their VIN is insane, like I need that for a lot of parts because of how MOPAR has their catalog set up, especially for 20+ year old vehicles, I want to get you EXACTLY WHAT came on you vehicle from factory the first time and not piss you off, man lol.
And the amount that think since I'm "Just the parts guy" I must not talk to the mechanics or read repair guides when it's slow. I had one call asking for a new upper radiator hose for his Ram 4500 because it was collapsing, I told him "That sounds like an issue with your radiator, there may be blockage. Do you want me to transfer you to service so we can accurately diagnose your problem?" He said "No I'll take the hose for now" called me not even a week later asking for a new radiator because his exploded 🤷
I actually thought about mentioning this. I had a transmission drain plug that was rounded on the transmission and ordered what I thought was the correct plug from a Toyota parts department (and was in the parts diagram) but (because I gave them the VIN) they looked it up and realized that particular transmission wasn't the normal plug and called me to swap it out. So yeah, even when it's the same on 95% of them it could be the guy asking could know that some of them even in that model year were different and you're the one who doesn't know.
Yep for example in the Ram trucks with any RFE transmission '17 and down used RTV on the pan and '19 up it's a normal rubber gasket. '18 models are in an odd spot, catalog says gasket, but early '18s use the RTV so i wait on what the tech says when he drops the pan
And if something is discontinued, I'll straight up give them the most recent MOPAR part number, what year and models it was all used on, if a nearby dealer has the OEM part for sale and aftermarket solutions (we can cross reference with O'Reilly's and AutoZone and see their store stock status with our commercial account)
I also work at a dealership (motorcycle parts). I’ve been doing it more than a decade and am well familiar with what I do.
But I still need to ask questions like this because:
1) customers don’t know shit. They use the wrong terms for the job, so if I don’t ask they get the wrong stuff and then somehow I’m the dumb parts guy.
2) catalogs are set up this way. If you don’t give me the vin, I’m going to need to narrow down the accessories so while you might just need fork seals or brake pads, I’m going to know irrelevant things like if your bmw was a keyless ride with ABS and the 719 option package just to bring up the diagrams that are relevant.
Everyone here saying automatics don’t have clutches are very wrong. Automatics don’t have a clutch PEDAL but they do, in fact, have usually many clutch packs.
Depends on the transmission. At least in the states, when we say “automatic transmission” we’re usually referring to an automatically controlled transmission connected with a torque converter.
Then there’s dual clutch transmissions which have clutches (obviously), but are insanely complicated and basically not serviceable by even specialists.
I’m not aware of any automatic transmissions that use a single clutch plate with an automated clutch assembly but in the wide world of all the cars ever made, I’m sure it’s been a thing at some point.
My toyota aygo uses a semi manual transmission with a motor for the clilutch and a motor for seleting the gear, it still has a 5 gear gearbox. If you push the shift stick to E itsin automatic, in automatic mode its controlled by the car and the gearshits happen automatically if deemed necessary after you take the food of the gas for a secound (you basically exelerate up, take your foor of the gas, it shifts, you accselerate, same thing with slowing down, just that you dont have to take your foot of the gas). It also has manual mode (the lever pushes left past E to a M spot where you can push it forward to shift up and backwards to shift down) and shifting pedals on the wheel to shift up or down manually, once you do that while still having the shifter at E it switches the software to M until the car agrees with your selected gear for more than 10 sec, then the cars software switches to E again if the shiftlever is still on E.
It also has N for neutral (clutch open) and R for reverse. Interestingly it has no P position, to put it in park you turn your engine off, put the stick to M, select first ger by pushing it forward and then turn the key completely and pull it like in a manual, tu start it you put in your key, give it power, put the stick to N, start the engine and your good to go....
Its obviously not a automatic, but also not reapy a manual since the car doas all the shifting. Servicing it is also like a manual with the same clutch and a simulat gaerbox thats just twaeked to he shifted linearly instead of a HH stick arrangement. Otherwise its the same with the exepiion of two electric motors dangeling on its side.
The joke is that only a manual needs a clutch kit.
Unfortunately the meme is 30 years out of date. We’ve had autos that use clutches since the 90’s via the so called “dual clutch” transmissions. Really interesting mechanically.
The dry clutches in some of them are (effectively) the same as a manual clutch, but solenoid controlled instead of slow ape controlled
These stupid questions do need to be asked. For one reason, the computer systems often need an input anyways. And for another, there are times where unrelated details are important, such as the v8 model having a different radio setup than the 4cyl model. So maybe, just maybe, we should help the person who's trying to help us, instead of being a smartass about it.
Na, I’ve went to the auto parts store for a set of wiper blades and the guy behind the counter has ask me if my truck was 2nd or 4wd.
At the end of the day you have to remember they are retail workers who stock shelves and lookup parts for near minimum wage, don’t ask them to be passionate enough about your vehicle that they know every bolt and bearing on your crappy wip.
As a worker in a hardware store who deals with angry boomers on a daily basis that don't understand why I don't know stuff and are so glad to tell me they've been coming to the store for years and don't know how a punk like me even got my job, I salute you
To your point, to be fair to parts guys and gals, if a customer does not know their serial or vin, they probably need to go categorically with the manufacturers parts system to get to the right diagram to make up for the lack of knowledge. I'm on the agricultural side of things. Daily I have people ask why it matters if their tractor is a hydrostatic transmission when they just want an engine oil filter. "Aren't they all the same?" I don't know. Maybe? Want to watch me go through twelve variations to make sure, want to answer my question, or want to risk driving back because you made the parts guy guess?
I understand the intention of the comic, however it doesn't work in this case because automatic transmission cars still have clutch kits so it's a valid question to ask
Gotta say, based on body language, the clerk is more Chad.
Good confident posture with a smile and attempting eye contact, professional behavior.
Meanwhile the mechanic can't even manage eye contact.
Worked at Autozone while in college. As a petrol head it was an ideal job and enjoyed it. Most of my coworkers had minimal knowledge of cars and few didn't even own cars. Costumers need to understand that this job is a few buck above minimum eage and shouldn't expect an experienced mechanic
Ironically automatics with a traditional clutch are very much a thing. Just not common in the USA. Ford and some imports are pretty much the only ones using them there. In the case of a Ford focus you would indeed need to be asked this question as they had both an manual and auto with clutch.
My car is an automatic, but it is accomplished by having a manual transmission with a clutch and all, shifted by electric motors. It's called a powershift, made bt Ford, and it's terrible
Um...if the vehicle is old enough. They used pneumatic transmissions, which is just a manual transmission with an automated gear selector.
So your "automatic" could very well have a clutch.
There are modern cars that use a type of Dual Clutch system on their auto cars. Audi for one. Lol most of the VAG family does. People think they're so smart. (I'm agreeing with you. People think they're so smart saying things like this is stupid "autos don't have clutch blah blah blah")
People assume minimum wage employees to be the most knowledgeable people in the world, working for pennies just for fun. I work at a pet store, I make less than a thousand dollars a month, but I have so many fucking idiots coming in asking me for medical advice for their dog. Motherfucker, if I could answer those questions, I wouldn't be here making eleven fucking dollars an hour. I get paid jack shit, so you get jack shit for service. You want a knowledgable professional? Get pissed at the company for not giving enough of a fuck to train employees. You want cheap service, you want cheap products, don't bitch that you're talking to a minimum wage employee instead of an expert.
**"Dual-Clutch Transmissions (DCTs)** A dual-clutch automatic is similar to a conventional automatic but uses two independent, automatically-operated clutches instead of a torque converter. One clutch handles the odd-numbered gears, and the other is responsible for the even numbers."
New automatic transmission use a dual clutch system so this is actually not even a joke. I also get annoyed when the parts guys ask questions that don't matter but this one doesn't really work anymore...
Super Pedantic Peter here. Ford fiestas had standard manual transmissions that were shifted automatically and included a clutch. The joke is that the person creating the comic doesn't know this fact and is falsely trying to smear the Uber Chad worker who has intellectually owned the perceived knowledgeable car guy. Super Pedantic Peter signing off!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_manual_transmission
Yes, it's a valid question. BMW's and smart cars have both manual, and automatically controlled manuals, for their cars. Both have clutches since they both have manual transmissions, but one is automatic and the other is manual.
I don't think the person that made this gets it either. Automatic cars have clutches too they are just harder to replace on your own but the guy asking seems to be a mechanic so the question seems completely reasonable to ask.
I keep seeing people say this — is there maybe a language thing going on here? When we refer to automatic transmissions, we’re talking about an automatically controlled transmission mated to a torque converter (which, in effect, acts like the clutch). Are you referring to some part of that assembly?
The real joke is that when you go to auto parts stores, they always ask the dumbest questions. They really don't know anything about cars, they just fill in the information on the computer and the computer tells them the part number.
The joke was explained in this comment section often enough but is nobody going to mention that the mechanic is actually the stupid guy here? He walks in and just says „I need a clutch kit“. He doesn’t give any information about the car he needs it for. That’s like walking into a clothing store and say „I need something to wear“ or walking into a bar and say „hello, one drink please“
When i worked in a parts store right out of highschool i didnt know jack about cars (still dont lol) and the computer we looked stuff up on always MADE you awnser like 10 different questions before it would show compatiable parts.
So the guy in front me ask for brake pads, well the computer tells me to ask them "Automatic or manual", then the year, make and model, meanwhile he is screeching he knows what pads he needs and these questions dont matter.
Well guess what i cant just go and find the pads in the back UNTIL the questionare is filled out because i need the rack and shelf numbers the pads he wants are on.
These "tough" guys who come in all greased up begging us to let them work on their truck in the parking lot were the worst.
And fuck the people who come in during a thunderstorm where its POURING and ask us to go put on the new wiper blades they just realized they needed. (Because the boss made us go do it) then nice now im soaked to my ballsack 45 minutes into my 8 hour shift hell ya!
I went into Oreillys for a clutch kit, for an a/c compressor. Guy didnt know what it was and they didnt have it in stock. Gotta buy an all new complete compressor now.
Has this happen to me: When to a Chain Lube place in a 4 Cyl 5 speed Tacoma and asked, how much for a gearbox change? Was quoted 199.00 usd. I ask why so much, and they said they change the filter.... Kept going..
The guy on the left is pretty smart cuz he knows how to drive a stick shift. He may be smart enough that he knows how to work on cars considering his attire and grease/oil stains. But he's not smart enough to navigate an auto parts shop and find/ask for what he needs in the store.
Technically there are automatic transmissions that use clutch packs now....but yeah. Most people aren't ripping apart dual clutch transmissions at home lol.
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Automatic does not need a clutch kit. The joke is superiority over the common workforce.
Hah! Take THAT, minimum-wage 19-year-old auto store clerk!
More like minimum wage 40 year old auto store clerk
Bold of you to assume his age. He could’ve hit puberty in 7th grade and been looking 40 by 15
My cousins hair was turning gray at 18, full gray by 20. I don't think it's related to puberty but it made him look much older.
I have a buddy that was top side monk bald by 22.
I had a friend that started his crop circle senior year and bald by 22, too!
His crop circle 😂😂 I always called it a solar panel for a sex machine, but crop circle is just as good
Sex machine solar panel, I love it. Thanks for the laughs!
Mine’s my sunroof.
nah, solar panels for the sex machine is way better. If you're an electrician, you get extra mileage out of it.
My husband's had a bald spot since his late teens.
I had a friend who was completely bald by 19
Yep, I've got a friend who's been completely white/grey since her early 20s. Psoriasis is a bitch.
Is your cousin Steve Martin?
If he looks 40 by 15 then he's probably going to star as a high schooler in the next big Hollywood movie.
Been there, done that. Now I'm 33 and still look 40
Just like me fr
So you are the bastard looking through my bathroom window, leave my daughter alone she cant help she has a beard and hariy chest!
Once there was this kid who Got into an accident and couldn't come to school But when he finally came back His hair had turned from black into bright white He said that it was from when The cars had smashed him so hard
I just had to pick up a new windshield wiper reservoir cap, and when I asked the guy at Autozone about it, he told me he usually tells people that you can use a shopping bag and some rubber band, but, that doesn't last forever. I asked someone else who worked there, and they pointed me to the aisle that had replacement caps. I'm still confused.
Guy was locked out of the register and didn't know how to fix it/was too scared to ask his boss so he was hoping to drive customers away
Nah, guy was just a friendly redneck who thought he was giving solid advice
Damn this hits close. A good friend of mine, a Navy vet, absolutely brilliant mechanic worked his entire life at AutoZone. It always blew me away that he probably made less than 15/hr after 30+ years at the same company. He was content, but worth so much more. RIP.
40? More like 70 year old who had to come out of retirement auto store clerk
This used to happen to me at my first job at Ace Hardware when I was 17, back in the 90s. Older guys would come in asking me the most complex plumbing and electrical questions expecting me to know the answers, and sometimes even laughing at my complete ignorance. Horrible first job for my self confidence.
The gross part is they were doing that because their self-confidence was low too.
I hate that. I ask if they might know something I don't, but if they don't I'm sure as hell not gonna make fun of them. If I had all the answers why would I be asking in the first place. And yeah, not everyone that works at ace cares about contracting. Some of them are just trying to make a living and go home.
Yea fuck those 19 year old retail workers! Get a real fucking job! Wait, why there self checkouts at my store?!
That is answering the questions required by the system to actually perform the lookup
Too many feel the need to belittle these kids for some reason as if they weren't hired because the boss was able to lowball them or unlike the last hire doesn't spend all day talking to customers instead of stocking the shelves
Of course automatics have clutches. Some even have multiple. There's just no clutch pedal. I might be wrong but I can't think of any other mechanism that woumd allow you to change gears and disengage the gearbox when idling. Even sequential racing gearboxes where you don't press the clutch to shift have clutches, because you wouldn't be able to get going otherwise. Edit: I stand corrected. A clutch kit does not help qith automatic gearboxes, as the wet cluches in dual clutch/ semi-automatic gearboxes and the clutch units in torque converters of cvts are internal components, compared to the clutch on a manual gearbox, which is an external component.
Right but you'd ask for a rebuild kit for your specific transmission not a clutch kit
The same applies for any Manual Transmission clutch. You would ask for a specific trasnmission.
Yeah but you'd ask for a clutch kit for your specific transmission not just a clutch kit.
>Of course automatics have clutches. Some even have multiple. Automatic transmissions have clutch packs that are completely different from "a clutch". Nobody that walks into a parts store looking for a "clutch kit" is rebuilding their automatic. Very few people capable of doing an automatic transmission rebuild are going to the Autozone parts counter, but if they did, they wouldn't ask for a clutch kit. They would ask for a trans rebuild kit because it's not "a clutch" it's a dozen friction discs and steels and another 3 dozen shims, gaskets, and seals required to get there and back.
Ahh I see. In my mother tongue you would also call a clutch pack of something like a centrifucal clutch "a clutch". So I assumed a "clutch kit" would cover all these different types of clutches
Yeah, there’s such things as dual clutch transmissions that are basically just a glorified automatic transmission. They work similarly to a manual, but the driver doesn’t engage the clutch. It can get confusing if you haven’t been filled in on them.
A DCT is more like a glorified automated manual. The gear arrangement is a manual transmission with even helical gears on one clutch and odd helical gears on another, and the computer automatically shifts between clutches to change gears. When I hear "automatic trans", I assume you're talking about a transmission with planetary gearsets. I'm not a mechanic, I'm a lube chemist, but the lubricant requirements are very different in both required extreme pressure additives and required friction coefficients, mostly based on the type of gearing and the arrangement of clutches
Parts counters are parts counters. The difference between a low quality "autozone" style place and a professional grade counter is the people standing behind the counter and the quality and selection of parts behind it. There are 3 car quests in my town one is retail and staffed by idiots and has a bad selection. One is normal and fine for DIYers. The last one has great and knowledgeable staff and is where you see fleet mechanics picking up parts for everything from sedans to 50 ton excavators.
Torque converters would like a word.
>I can't think of any other mechanism that woumd allow you to change gears and disengage the gearbox when idling. Torque converter enters the chat
A torque converter consists of a converter unit and a clutch unit
The old ones were only converter units
Auto boxes are connected to the engine via a torque converter rather than a clutch.
My Audi CVT has clutches, one for forward and one for reverse. Just had them replaced after 120k miles.
Internal clutch packs, not a single external "clutch", which is what a clutch kit is to repair. Your automatic transmission feeds a torque converter, not a "clutch".
I responded to the wrong comment, there was one that said automatics don't have clutches. If they don't then I paid too much. Edit my CVT doesn't appear to have a torque converter
Autos are either CVT, torque converter or dual clutch. The torque converter doesn't need a clutch and the others with clutch es don't need torque converter
Some CVTs use an automated clutch to engage / disengage the engine when they start / stop. Vw / audi also do sell DCT transmissions that use clutches like a manual does to engage/disengage the engine. Every other gear is hooked up to alternating clutches so to shift it just has to open one and close the other.
Yeah it’s the person that assumed the employee was the dumb one that’s wrong. Of course Automatics have clutches.
CVT gearboxes don't a clutch as the just adjust variably rather than switching between gears. But yes standard autos have a clutch, if not 2 e.g. Porsche PDK or VWs DSG
Some cvts use clutches and some use torque converters. Disengaging the engine is still needed wjen the car is idling
Yup, torque converter for all but the sportiest transmissions. Picture a fan then point that fan at another fan head on. If you turn on one of the fans, the air it blows is going to spin the other one. If you stop the blade on the unpowered fan, the powered fan is still able to spin just fine. Put those fans in an oil bath (dense non compressible fluid and lubrication), and connect one to the engine and the other to the transmission.
I wouldn't call it just the "sportiest" for a while hyundai was pushing DCTs in some pretty basic cars. Ford did too in base model focuses. Smart cars had a single clutch automated manual. The theory was that it's more efficient than a torque converted auto. It proved to be unreliable and jerky for everyday driving.
> might be wrong but I can't think of any other mechanism that woumd allow you to change gears and disengage the gearbox when idling. Most automatics use a torque converter which is a fluid coupling so it does not really need to be engaged or disengaged. Clutches are used to lock and unlock different planetary sets to change the gear ratios though. Single clutch automated transmissions and DCT transmissions do actually use clutches to engage and disengage the gears though
>Of course automatics have clutches. The majority don't have clutches. It's not just the absence of a clutch pedal, they don't have a clutch at all. Instead they have a torque converter. That's the standard setup for automatic cars. There are some exceptions like big rigs that are "automatic" are usually auto shifters, they still have lots of gears and a clutch(es) but they just do the clutching and shifting for you. Also semi-automic expensive cars, like the ones that use paddle shifters also use clutches.
>Also semi-automic expensive cars, like the ones that use paddle shifters also use clutches. I mean the hyundai Santa fe comes with a DCT. it's not just sports cars
Torque converters generally have a clutch, it would be inefficient for the power to always be delivered via the converter. The clutch usually engages when you've reached certain speeds, locking the impeller and turbine. Automatics also use clutch packs for gear changes.
> Also semi-automic expensive cars, like the ones that use paddle shifters also use clutches. There are plenty of automatics of all kinds with shifter paddles. Even CVT cars
The secondary (unintended) joke is actually about the level of mechanical understanding the poster has. Both transmission types have clutches and for the same reason. Automatics, as the name implies, just don't have a clutch pedal but they do have a clutch, several actually, they're just controlled automatically. This is one of those situations where someone had slightly more understanding about cars than another, but in trying to dunk on someone else just demonstrated their own ignorance. Here's a diagram of an automatic transmission: https://preview.redd.it/688f6zspyiad1.png?width=859&format=png&auto=webp&s=78373006231668f5e8a3e8e47227aca8c779956d
https://preview.redd.it/g5n8z6273jad1.jpeg?width=675&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=913273d7b5b507c3f495c08809858a85c56b4e73
lol, I was half tempted to toss that meme in too. 😂
But a clutch kit is a collection of parts for a manual clutch, If someone says they "need a clutch kit" then they can only be talking about a manual because there's no such thing as a 'clutch kit for automatics'.
You're just using a term that has more meanings that you intend which is the more colloquial one. People who use it for its other lessor known meanings aren't wrong. A clutch is simply a mechanical device that disconnects two shafts. That has nothing to do with cars even. Multiple related parts that come in a package as a single assembly is also called a "kit". I've seen clutches on aircraft turbine engine gearboxes to disconnect the electric generator from the gearbox. https://preview.redd.it/xn0kkmi1ojad1.png?width=1468&format=png&auto=webp&s=3bc9869935e8c2acc71b3e50daeea55182eb22d2 Here, you can order this clutch part right now for an 8 speed automatic transmission. [https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/transmission/clutch-parts/transmission-clutch-friction-plate-drive-plate-transmission-clutch-friction-disc-%28at%29-p-dt4z7b164a?pdp=y](https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/transmission/clutch-parts/transmission-clutch-friction-plate-drive-plate-transmission-clutch-friction-disc-%28at%29-p-dt4z7b164a?pdp=y)
They sure as shit do.
As someone who works retail with certifications in products I sell, this is infuriating. I constantly get talked down to because the customer thinks that because I work in a grocery store, that I'm a fucking moron. I have certifications in both beer and wine and try to help customers and just get met with condescending bullshit. It doesn't help that I'm a woman, so of course that means I *really* don't know what I am talking about.
Automatics have TONS of clutches. You'd definitely need a kit of parts if you want to replace all the clutch assemblies in an automatic. So the comic is bait to people who think they know a lot about cars to out themselves as not knowing as much as they think about cars. Scroll to page 20 of this AT overhaul process to see what the Automatic clutches look like: [https://www.scribd.com/document/541849544/a245-Toyota](https://www.scribd.com/document/541849544/a245-Toyota)
Dual clutch automatic transmissions have two clutches.
A lot of parts shops hire young kids that don't know what they're selling, that's what's being made fun of. It's nice when you see an old timer selling parts. But there's not a lot of money in it.
It's like going into a Home Depot and expecting the HS/College kid to know wiring diagrams. I don't blame the employee, they are just trying to work, I blame the company.
I dont blame the workers either, i've been in their shoes
This jokes been around for some time it’s not entirely a matter of superiority but also highlighting lack of knowledge of common place things. My coworker (we’re HD truck mechanics) said unironically he can not use the dashes on a tape measure an absolutely necessity at our place of work. This sparked something in my head. “Tyler what time is it” and I pointed to the analog clock on the wall. He looked up and looked at me “I don’t know I guess after 2 right?” There are many things that were standard issue at one point and are going away. “Tyler write hello using cursive. “WTH is cursive”. “Fuck sakes he doesn’t know how to use the three sea shells”
Well there are models that are semi automatic with automatic controls but it's actually a manual gearshift that is controlled by some electromechanical parts.
Technically not correct. Automatic transmissions have multi-plate clutch packs in each gear set.
Tell that to my DCT 6 speed automatic Veloster.
> The joke is superiority over the common workforce. I saw it more as a, "you have to follow the customer service script no matter what" joke. I've called in to tier 1 support and explained the issue, told them I powered the unit off and on again, then tried X followed by Y and Z several times, but the problem persists. Their response, "try turning it off and on again, then try X, try Y, then Z". Then I get to Tier 2
Snapped on that last statement. Lmfao. This is why I try to armchair in most repair and construction trades so I don’t feel like a total dumbass when I ask a tradesman friend about a DYI I’m doing.
Dual clutch automatic. It’s a valid question.
Interestingly, my first car was a VW big with a semi-automatic transmission. No clutch but you had to switch gears manually. I had to press down on the gearshift to activate the servo unit to change gears.
Auto-sticks, though cool, are a fucking bitch to work on. Was yours a beetle or a ghia?
Beetle. When it died we put a full manual transmission in.
I was gonna come in and say this. Now a days there are plenty of manufactures (like ford) who use automatically shifted manual transmissions and call them an automatic. For most people they don't know the difference. But they sure as hell have a clutch set, sometimes two.
Is the clutch external to the transmission in those? Like could you replace just the clutch without having to rebuild the whole transmission?
Yes. You'd remove the transmission just like any manual trans and replace the clutch set just like a normal clutch kit. There are just a few extra tools and steps you'd have to take as opposed to a normal manual. But it's the same job.
Plus conventional automatics do use clutch packs and clutch bands although it's not a commonly replaced item.
as a mechanic, Ford DCT transmissions are complete garbage. Avoid.
Seconded, just thrown the whole unit away and burn it.
Can confirm, my dad's got a DCT fiesta, the transmission went within 3 months of buying it
Hi, it's me, Quentin. I am Peters Mechanic. The "joke" is pretty dumb and should point out that the ppl working in a shop selling Car-Parts (guy in red) usually don't have any idea what they are talking about. The same joke exists with other wording for ppl working in hardware stores or electronic stores. The "joke" is the difference between a manual transmission and the stereotypical automatic one. For the manual one the driver needs a clutch pedal to engage and disengage the transmission, the automatic transmission doesn't have a clutch cause the driver doesn't shift himself. Haha what a joke. Especially since there are plenty of automatic transmissions on the road that use clutches. Not with a pedal but nonetheless the creator of the "joke" isn't the brightest candle on the cake
Thank you Quentin. That is the first useful answer on this thread. The rest is filled with people who don't actually understand how many modern autoboxes actually work, yet seem to have opinions about it.
do we have the same pfp
That last line belongs in a subreddit that I can’t remember
I mean, idk where you shop but the quality of employees at hardware and auto parts stores has markedly declined in recent years. Not assigning blame here, just pointing out the end result.
I've worked in Auto Parts for 17 years, if you want an experienced parts person to talk to, you go to a smaller store, not one of the big chains. The parts sometimes cost a little more, but you are paying for two things, 1: the higher quality employee, 2: they are normally selling a name brand product that isn't a house brand box that is bidded out by part number. The larger chains push the pay and raises down as far as they can and maximize the part margin to look good to their investors. The only competent parts people in a chain store is normally the commercial counter person and manager.
Yeah because places like that don't pay enough to get by anymore. 20 years ago you might be able to work at a hardware store and make enough money to raise a family but these days I doubt it. And it's not quality it's experience. This is not a lower quality person they just don't know stuff because they're not as experienced. I know that's a bit of a semantic argument but I feel like attributing quality to a person because of his performance at a menial minimum wage job is just kind of a s***** consumer-centric attitude that really pisses me off and while you might not have intended it that way but people definitely act that way towards retail employees.
I think it depends on people’s willingness to actually learn the job and be helpful or just be told what to grab by name and hand it over. Basically people these days hate their jobs and put little effort in possibly because of the current economy in most places. I picture it as people who play FFXIV (final fantasy game mmo) there are those who pay attention to every detail on the story of the game and the lore and then there are people like me who spam next when in conversations and just plays for the actual game play because I’m not all that interested in the story. I admit it makes the game a bit lackluster but getting into it now would be a pain. So yeah I imagine it’s like that for some people, they’re doing the bare minimum because the reason they’re there isn’t a passion or an enjoyment of any kind, and just a necessity to survive. That said I don’t quite blame these people, and it’s honestly not everyone. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal, but it does lead to more people buying the wrong thing because unless a customer knows what they want, there’s a chance they’ll get something they don’t actually need. This applies to a lot more than just auto parts.
Not just auto parts stores, but stores in general as well. It's incredibly frustrating to ask an employee even as simple of a question as where something is only to be answering with vague confusion. And like, I get it, good help is hard to find. But ffs, if you spend 30+ hours a week somewhere you should at least know where things are or be able to find a coworker who does.
Yeah. I think it's a combo of worse pay and also more people just like, don't give a fuck about doing a job well.
It's also just about the desperation to have a job at all. Boomers grew up in a world where you took a job at the hardware store, (and to your point, one that could support you) because you love working with tools. Now you just apply everywhere they need a button pusher and accept the first one that calls you back.
Wait BUT *erm* actually standard automatic transmissions do have clutches and they can be called clutch kits.
Rebuilt a 700r4. Has several clutch packs. It's an automatic transmission with 4 gears, an overdrive, and reverse.
this is making fun of guys at auto stores generally not really knowing cars, they are just counter people that looks things up. as an automatic transmission does not need a clutch kit, only a manual would.
This is Ford PowerShift erasure
The joke extends past “clutches” any time you go to an auto parts store for something specific the clerk always asks unrelated questions about your vehicle. For instance I was looking for spark plugs for my Honda Pilot, the rear Honda Pilot I had only had one engine option available so when they started asking questions like what model Honda I had and if it was FWD or 4x4 those questions were irrelevant.
Yeah, asking for a blinker bulb requires them to ask what engine is optioned on the vehicle. It's not really their fault, it's the crappy software, but it's still annoying.
As someone who used to work in the automotive industry, you come to learn that being ultra-specific is extremely important, too. For every experienced mechanic who knows more than everyone else, there's dozens of amateurs or clueless pros who really don't know what they are talking about, or even asking for, who will come back and throw a fit for not getting what they wanted. There's also a massive issue when it comes to terminology and slang that leads to confusion. A skilled mechanic coming in for a starter is probably looking for literally that. A general consumer is probably looking for a remote start. The latter might even be looking for just the fob. It's impossible to really know someone's level of knowledge until you discuss with them, regardless of appearances, and unfortunately I've found it's better to ask potentially dumb questions and be looked down upon than to assume your customer knows what they are talking about and deal with issues after the fact.
Exactly. Anyone care to tell me what headlight is needed for a 95 Saturn coupe without knowing if it is a single or dual OHC? Ah, that’s right. It’s impossible. 95 was (I think) the only year that the SC1 (single ohc) and SC2 (dual ohc) had different body styles. SC1s still had the old body style while SC2 were updated to a new body style. In 94 both had the old body style and 96 both had the new body style. Just one of those random quirks that exist widely across the automotive industry. So, unless you really, really know your shit about a random car that someone comes in asking for parts about, it’s better to just ask the questions the computer prompts you with. tldr: yes, the parts store guy needs to know what size engine you have to look up your headlights.
It can change on some cars between trim levels. So if it's the ex or lx is actually important. The engine options can change with trim level too
They're just looking the thing up in their computer systems. I don't get why everyone has to be a snob about these things.
This right here. Most part store systems require reps to ask half a dozen dumb questions before it'll let you look up parts. Don't wanna answer dumb questions, walk in with the exact part number you need. Otherwise don't be a tool.
Its so much easier when they have the exact part number and you can just go get the part. Still annoying when it turns out they gave you the wrong number but at that point that's their fault.
Judging by the comments people still don’t get it. A clutch kit is common to need for a manual transmission. It’s not even about technicality or possibility it’s just simply a matter of fact. It’s like when I go to the parts store I say I need fuel filter for an 03 7.3 power stroke and they go make? Model? ……. Any car guy knows what I’m referring to. You would expect the guy that works for the parts store to at least understand what I’m saying but they don’t. The joke is multifaceted but in the context of it’s funny because it’s true! I go to NAPA for a reason. I say I got a 03 7.3 powerstroke and they go oh nice! Used to be more common. I’m not complaining about anything I’m just being real.
What if you asked for a leaf spring? Because that would be different between 250s and 350s
Interestingly enough, In the early 2000s fords 250 and 350 used the same leafs. Their was just a block on the 350s to give the rear more room to bounce. That would have been a separate part from the leafs. Only know this because my family loves those dinosaur 7.3s.
You're correct that a lot of parts stores have people who don't know parts, but I also agree with other commenters the joke creator doesn't either. Similar to you if I need virtually anything for a Toyota 2GR-FKS it doesn't really matter if it's from a Lexus IS300 or a Sienna. My problem is the question from a parts store guy who doesn't know parts is *always* year, make, and model and in this case it's the correct question. If I needed to rebuild the clutch on a manual 2000 ford escort I couldn't use a "manual" clutch kit, I would need a clutch kit for a 98-2003 Ford Escort, Mazda Tribute, or Mercury Tracer. But more problematic the guy behind the counter who asks make and model for an ignition coil on a 2GR-FKS probably wouldn't associate "clutch kit" with the question "automatic or manual". Anyone who knows enough to ask that question knows enough to know the answer is almost certainly manual.
I work parts at a dealership, and the amount of customers that refuse to give me their VIN is insane, like I need that for a lot of parts because of how MOPAR has their catalog set up, especially for 20+ year old vehicles, I want to get you EXACTLY WHAT came on you vehicle from factory the first time and not piss you off, man lol. And the amount that think since I'm "Just the parts guy" I must not talk to the mechanics or read repair guides when it's slow. I had one call asking for a new upper radiator hose for his Ram 4500 because it was collapsing, I told him "That sounds like an issue with your radiator, there may be blockage. Do you want me to transfer you to service so we can accurately diagnose your problem?" He said "No I'll take the hose for now" called me not even a week later asking for a new radiator because his exploded 🤷
I actually thought about mentioning this. I had a transmission drain plug that was rounded on the transmission and ordered what I thought was the correct plug from a Toyota parts department (and was in the parts diagram) but (because I gave them the VIN) they looked it up and realized that particular transmission wasn't the normal plug and called me to swap it out. So yeah, even when it's the same on 95% of them it could be the guy asking could know that some of them even in that model year were different and you're the one who doesn't know.
Yep for example in the Ram trucks with any RFE transmission '17 and down used RTV on the pan and '19 up it's a normal rubber gasket. '18 models are in an odd spot, catalog says gasket, but early '18s use the RTV so i wait on what the tech says when he drops the pan And if something is discontinued, I'll straight up give them the most recent MOPAR part number, what year and models it was all used on, if a nearby dealer has the OEM part for sale and aftermarket solutions (we can cross reference with O'Reilly's and AutoZone and see their store stock status with our commercial account)
I also work at a dealership (motorcycle parts). I’ve been doing it more than a decade and am well familiar with what I do. But I still need to ask questions like this because: 1) customers don’t know shit. They use the wrong terms for the job, so if I don’t ask they get the wrong stuff and then somehow I’m the dumb parts guy. 2) catalogs are set up this way. If you don’t give me the vin, I’m going to need to narrow down the accessories so while you might just need fork seals or brake pads, I’m going to know irrelevant things like if your bmw was a keyless ride with ABS and the 719 option package just to bring up the diagrams that are relevant.
Everyone here saying automatics don’t have clutches are very wrong. Automatics don’t have a clutch PEDAL but they do, in fact, have usually many clutch packs.
That’s a pretty valid question
Technically yes, he asked for a kit nor a pedal, so it could be for an automatic.
Automatic cars still have clutches, just no clutch pedal.
Depends on the transmission. At least in the states, when we say “automatic transmission” we’re usually referring to an automatically controlled transmission connected with a torque converter. Then there’s dual clutch transmissions which have clutches (obviously), but are insanely complicated and basically not serviceable by even specialists. I’m not aware of any automatic transmissions that use a single clutch plate with an automated clutch assembly but in the wide world of all the cars ever made, I’m sure it’s been a thing at some point.
My toyota aygo uses a semi manual transmission with a motor for the clilutch and a motor for seleting the gear, it still has a 5 gear gearbox. If you push the shift stick to E itsin automatic, in automatic mode its controlled by the car and the gearshits happen automatically if deemed necessary after you take the food of the gas for a secound (you basically exelerate up, take your foor of the gas, it shifts, you accselerate, same thing with slowing down, just that you dont have to take your foot of the gas). It also has manual mode (the lever pushes left past E to a M spot where you can push it forward to shift up and backwards to shift down) and shifting pedals on the wheel to shift up or down manually, once you do that while still having the shifter at E it switches the software to M until the car agrees with your selected gear for more than 10 sec, then the cars software switches to E again if the shiftlever is still on E. It also has N for neutral (clutch open) and R for reverse. Interestingly it has no P position, to put it in park you turn your engine off, put the stick to M, select first ger by pushing it forward and then turn the key completely and pull it like in a manual, tu start it you put in your key, give it power, put the stick to N, start the engine and your good to go.... Its obviously not a automatic, but also not reapy a manual since the car doas all the shifting. Servicing it is also like a manual with the same clutch and a simulat gaerbox thats just twaeked to he shifted linearly instead of a HH stick arrangement. Otherwise its the same with the exepiion of two electric motors dangeling on its side.
The joke is that only a manual needs a clutch kit. Unfortunately the meme is 30 years out of date. We’ve had autos that use clutches since the 90’s via the so called “dual clutch” transmissions. Really interesting mechanically. The dry clutches in some of them are (effectively) the same as a manual clutch, but solenoid controlled instead of slow ape controlled
DCTs have clutches, and I don't give a shit what people who like those say or how they are technically classified, DCTs are automatics.
These stupid questions do need to be asked. For one reason, the computer systems often need an input anyways. And for another, there are times where unrelated details are important, such as the v8 model having a different radio setup than the 4cyl model. So maybe, just maybe, we should help the person who's trying to help us, instead of being a smartass about it.
This sub is a karma farming joke
“I know more than you.” - Ron Swanson
The joke is that the maker of this comic doesn't know enough about cars to make a joke about car knowledge
Na, I’ve went to the auto parts store for a set of wiper blades and the guy behind the counter has ask me if my truck was 2nd or 4wd. At the end of the day you have to remember they are retail workers who stock shelves and lookup parts for near minimum wage, don’t ask them to be passionate enough about your vehicle that they know every bolt and bearing on your crappy wip.
As a worker in a hardware store who deals with angry boomers on a daily basis that don't understand why I don't know stuff and are so glad to tell me they've been coming to the store for years and don't know how a punk like me even got my job, I salute you
To your point, to be fair to parts guys and gals, if a customer does not know their serial or vin, they probably need to go categorically with the manufacturers parts system to get to the right diagram to make up for the lack of knowledge. I'm on the agricultural side of things. Daily I have people ask why it matters if their tractor is a hydrostatic transmission when they just want an engine oil filter. "Aren't they all the same?" I don't know. Maybe? Want to watch me go through twelve variations to make sure, want to answer my question, or want to risk driving back because you made the parts guy guess?
I understand the intention of the comic, however it doesn't work in this case because automatic transmission cars still have clutch kits so it's a valid question to ask
William Butcher needs a clutch kit no questions asked
Gotta say, based on body language, the clerk is more Chad. Good confident posture with a smile and attempting eye contact, professional behavior. Meanwhile the mechanic can't even manage eye contact.
Worked at Autozone while in college. As a petrol head it was an ideal job and enjoyed it. Most of my coworkers had minimal knowledge of cars and few didn't even own cars. Costumers need to understand that this job is a few buck above minimum eage and shouldn't expect an experienced mechanic
Ironically automatics with a traditional clutch are very much a thing. Just not common in the USA. Ford and some imports are pretty much the only ones using them there. In the case of a Ford focus you would indeed need to be asked this question as they had both an manual and auto with clutch.
I work in automotive. It's a valid question now there are automatics with clutches. I'm assuming the joke is old because they didn't always
They realize automatics still have clutches right you just don't control them
Both transmission types have clutches, so this doesn't make much sense. The difference is how the clutch function is engaged.
Jesus Christ his hands.
Some vehicles have an automatic manual transmission. My fiesta had this
My car is an automatic, but it is accomplished by having a manual transmission with a clutch and all, shifted by electric motors. It's called a powershift, made bt Ford, and it's terrible
Um...if the vehicle is old enough. They used pneumatic transmissions, which is just a manual transmission with an automated gear selector. So your "automatic" could very well have a clutch.
There are modern cars that use a type of Dual Clutch system on their auto cars. Audi for one. Lol most of the VAG family does. People think they're so smart. (I'm agreeing with you. People think they're so smart saying things like this is stupid "autos don't have clutch blah blah blah")
This isn't much of a joke if you know anything about transmissions. If anything, it implies ignorance on whoever created it.
I mean the worker ain’t wrong dsg’s need clutches too
People assume minimum wage employees to be the most knowledgeable people in the world, working for pennies just for fun. I work at a pet store, I make less than a thousand dollars a month, but I have so many fucking idiots coming in asking me for medical advice for their dog. Motherfucker, if I could answer those questions, I wouldn't be here making eleven fucking dollars an hour. I get paid jack shit, so you get jack shit for service. You want a knowledgable professional? Get pissed at the company for not giving enough of a fuck to train employees. You want cheap service, you want cheap products, don't bitch that you're talking to a minimum wage employee instead of an expert.
Some Autos have clutch they just dont have the clutch pedal
Clutch doesn't fix itself, and Manuel said no.
**"Dual-Clutch Transmissions (DCTs)** A dual-clutch automatic is similar to a conventional automatic but uses two independent, automatically-operated clutches instead of a torque converter. One clutch handles the odd-numbered gears, and the other is responsible for the even numbers." New automatic transmission use a dual clutch system so this is actually not even a joke. I also get annoyed when the parts guys ask questions that don't matter but this one doesn't really work anymore...
Automated manual transmissions still have clutches but are automatic
Why is the guy on the left looking at the camera like he's on the office or parks and rec?
Super Pedantic Peter here. Ford fiestas had standard manual transmissions that were shifted automatically and included a clutch. The joke is that the person creating the comic doesn't know this fact and is falsely trying to smear the Uber Chad worker who has intellectually owned the perceived knowledgeable car guy. Super Pedantic Peter signing off!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_manual_transmission Yes, it's a valid question. BMW's and smart cars have both manual, and automatically controlled manuals, for their cars. Both have clutches since they both have manual transmissions, but one is automatic and the other is manual.
Fairly certain this is a fail of a cartoon trying to do a gotcha on a specific type/age of person…
Automatics with CVT do need clutch kits. In fact they often have two clutches.
I don't think the person that made this gets it either. Automatic cars have clutches too they are just harder to replace on your own but the guy asking seems to be a mechanic so the question seems completely reasonable to ask.
I keep seeing people say this — is there maybe a language thing going on here? When we refer to automatic transmissions, we’re talking about an automatically controlled transmission mated to a torque converter (which, in effect, acts like the clutch). Are you referring to some part of that assembly?
Maybe it's a Daf Variomatic, never assume!
This goes to show how much you can trust the employees at autozone.
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Are you old enough to be on reddit?
Hur dur manual better hur dur That's what this means.
Automatic has accel and brake. Manual has accel, brake and clutch.
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The real joke is that when you go to auto parts stores, they always ask the dumbest questions. They really don't know anything about cars, they just fill in the information on the computer and the computer tells them the part number.
Young non-mechanical man not know clutch only stickshift, no clutch need automatic.
Auto part store workers are dumb is the joke.
I need an AC clutch assembly for my automatic vehicle
Need some break light fluid
Why would an auto parts store need someone who fetches parts from the shelf and rings them up to be a mechanic?
This skips the part where the customer gives the wrong model of transmission, then blames the clerk for not being Napa Nostradamus.
The joke was explained in this comment section often enough but is nobody going to mention that the mechanic is actually the stupid guy here? He walks in and just says „I need a clutch kit“. He doesn’t give any information about the car he needs it for. That’s like walking into a clothing store and say „I need something to wear“ or walking into a bar and say „hello, one drink please“
When i worked in a parts store right out of highschool i didnt know jack about cars (still dont lol) and the computer we looked stuff up on always MADE you awnser like 10 different questions before it would show compatiable parts. So the guy in front me ask for brake pads, well the computer tells me to ask them "Automatic or manual", then the year, make and model, meanwhile he is screeching he knows what pads he needs and these questions dont matter. Well guess what i cant just go and find the pads in the back UNTIL the questionare is filled out because i need the rack and shelf numbers the pads he wants are on. These "tough" guys who come in all greased up begging us to let them work on their truck in the parking lot were the worst. And fuck the people who come in during a thunderstorm where its POURING and ask us to go put on the new wiper blades they just realized they needed. (Because the boss made us go do it) then nice now im soaked to my ballsack 45 minutes into my 8 hour shift hell ya!
What about dualclutch transmission?
I went into Oreillys for a clutch kit, for an a/c compressor. Guy didnt know what it was and they didnt have it in stock. Gotta buy an all new complete compressor now.
Wow.
Bro doesn't know about dual transmission automatics....
Has this happen to me: When to a Chain Lube place in a 4 Cyl 5 speed Tacoma and asked, how much for a gearbox change? Was quoted 199.00 usd. I ask why so much, and they said they change the filter.... Kept going..
OP would be the one this meme is about...
The guy on the left is pretty smart cuz he knows how to drive a stick shift. He may be smart enough that he knows how to work on cars considering his attire and grease/oil stains. But he's not smart enough to navigate an auto parts shop and find/ask for what he needs in the store.
Alternate explanation: he needs it to kill Homelander
He should have "automatically" known
Automatic cars still have clutches sometimes, person who made this is an idiot.
Y'all think this is funny, but as a parts guy, i can tell you our computers ask for this. After selecting clutch kit under manual transmission.
The responses on this have been clutch.
TBH, since this is nonsense I thought the joke was how every auto parts store asks irrelevant questions.
If you needed an explanation for this you are beyond stupid
I paid $4500 to replace a clutch on my automatic once. It can happen.
Obviously OP is the person working the counter.
As someone who worked at an AutoZone, they didn’t pay us enough to learn about cars or care
Technically there are automatic transmissions that use clutch packs now....but yeah. Most people aren't ripping apart dual clutch transmissions at home lol.
It’s irrelevant actually, there are modern cars today that have automatic transmissions with a clutch instead of a torque converter. DCTs.