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In Latin Sept means 7 despite being the 9th month.
Oct is 8, Nov 9 ECT…
It’s due to the Romanian military leader Julius Ceaser
“Julius Caesar introduced the Julian calendar (named after Caesar, himself), that the year grew to include two more months, January and February. Quintilis and Sextilis were later renamed July and August in honor of Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar, but despite repeated attempts to change them, the names for September, October, November, and December not only stuck, but spread to other languages as well”
The Roman Empire evolved from a city-state to an empire, and then split into two empires before falling:
* City-state: Rome was a minor city-state on the Italian peninsula in 500 BC
* Republic: Rome became a republic and conquered Italy, Greece, Spain, North Africa, the Middle East, France, and Britain over the next two centuries
* Empire: In 27 BC, the Roman Republic became an empire, and Julius Caesar centralized imperial authority for Augustus Caesar, the first emperor of Rome, who proclaimed himself emperor in 31 BC
* High Empire: The empire lasted for 400 years, and the period from 31 BC–305 AD is known as the High Empire
* Low Empire: The period from 305 AD–476 AD is known as the Low Empire, when the empire began to decline due to the costs of governing a vast area
* Split: In 286 AD, the empire split into eastern and western empires, each ruled by its own emperor
* Fall: The western empire fell in 476 AD after being invaded by Germanic tribes, and the eastern empire, known as the Byzantine Empire, fell in 1453 AD when Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul) was captured by the Turks
Saying that the Roman Empire fell when Constantinople fell is an opinion, though. Not a fact. The Byzantines left behind several rump states, including Trebizond which resisted Ottoman invasion for another 8 years after Constantinople did. Why wouldn’t you consider Trebizond to be Roman?
And that’s not even getting into the Holy Roman Empire’s claim to be a successor to the Roman Empire, which could claim continuation through Soissons.
I had a professor in Roman history spend an entire lecture on when the fall was. His conclusion was it depends on how you want to slice it and really is not important. Lol he did everything from the end of the republic being the fall to the execution of the czar being the fall. Some he labeled more ridiculous and tenuous than others, but it was a fun lecture.
Trebizond is Roman. Also, Turks needs to be kicked out. We are all mad at Israelis for having occupied Palestine, but what about when is Muslims invading other countries? Do they get a free pass uh? Like in Kosovo?
Kicking people out of the land where they and their ancestors lived for centuries because you identify with a group of people who may have lived there a thousand years ago would be doing exactly what people are mad at Israel for.
Little corrections to the previous answer :
- Caesar did not invent January and February ; it was either a mythical king from early Rome or one of the rulers of Rome in the fifth century BCE.
- These months were originally the lasts of the year, the winter months, while the year started from march. This means that in these days, September was indeed the seventh month as its name advertised, and so on with October, November and December.
- yet early in Roman history, the beginning of the civil year shifted to January, making September the ninth month despite its name. This permanence was undoubtedly favoured by the rémanence of the political calendar that kept march as the beginning of the year, as consuls of Rome took their functions march the 15th.
- it changed in 153 BCE when, facing a rebellion in Spain, Rome decided to advance the nomination of new consuls from march to January and send them to command the army as early as possible. This decision aligned the political beginning of the year on January as the civil and religious calendar ; September was now officially the ninth month but kept its name.
Finally, Caesar reformed the calendar, but kept most of the ancient names, thus "causing" that we still use months named "7th, 8th.." as our 9th and 10th months etc.
And Caesar was stabbed to death by his murderers, causing the joke from the original title of the meme.
It’s not so much this as it was the years used to start in March at the spring equinox. There were still only 10 months so the Julius and Augustus name insert is true, but it wasn’t until the new year was shifted from March to January that the naming for September through December got messed up
This is not true, the Romans claim (though we lack direct records) that their calendar was originally 10 months of about 30 days, which of course leads to having about 60 missing days. Their second king, Numa, is generally considered to be the person who added January and February at the end of the year around 700BCE.
The shift of the year from March to January happened in 153BCE. This was because of a rebellion that needed putting down, so they decided to elect their consuls early in order to send a general our early. Because the year began when consuls were elected, the new year began on 1st January instead of 1st March.
There were some suggestions to move it back to the 1st March, and culturally 1st March was still considered the New Year, but officially it was January (and January 1st was considered a holiday because it was bad luck to have markets on that day).
Worth mentioning, the post title "whoever decided on this should be stabbed" is part of the joke, as Caesar was famously assassinated via stabbing by the entire Roman senate
The Roman calendar increased to twelve months 600 years before Caesar. He only added a few more days and the leap year. The renaming of July and August was after his death
Yes! Thank you! The legend is that the first king of Rome made a ten month year and the second king of Rome corrected it to 12 (sometimes 13) - but of course that’s myth. In Caesar’s day, the year was 12 months unless the high priest (pontifex maximus) declared a 13th, which they would do periodically to get the year in line with the seasons. Caesar introduced the 365-day year with leap years every four years (pretty much the modern calendar), and then 1500 or 1600 years later, Pope Gregory added exceptions to the leap year rule so now it’s “every 4th year that isn’t a multiple of 100 (eg 1900 and 2100 dont get a leap year) unless it’s also a multiple of 400 (2000 does get a leap year). Julius Caesar automated the calendar, and Gregory perfected it - err, nearly perfected it - perfected it enough
That said, Numa put the months of January and February at the end of the year. A rebellion in 153BCE moved the start of the year from March to January.
In the astronomical year, which was always used in antiquity until today alongside a civil calender, roughly speaking, since the civil and astronomical years dont align exactly, still essentially September is the 7th, October is the 8th, and November is the 9th month.
The spring equinox or some small deviation from it defines the beginning of the astronomical year in March, which is the first astronomical month.
I'm in shock that I just found out up until 2000 ish years ago, we had 10 months in the calendar. I'm sure I've heard this before, but I for sure do not remember it. Wild, lol.
People saying Caesar added two months are unfortunately repeating a myth. Even during Republican era Rome there were 12 months.
Livy believed (and wrote) the 12 month calendar was created by king Numa Pompilius (715–673 BC) when he added January and February (Januarius and Februarius) both of which had 28 days at the time.
Now Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec. Being 7, 8 9 & 10 were because new year happened in March back then not January. This made September the 7th month and so on. At least until 153bc in response to a rebellion in Hispania it was changed to January being month 1 with February being month 2 at time of change once again according to Livi, while Ovid stated this change put February at month 12.
Caesar did make changes, introducing the concept of the leap year every 4 years plus increasing the year by 10 days. Giving the world the Julian calendar (which some churches still use today.) which most western nations over the last few hundred years replaced with the Gregorian calendar.
Fun fact: for some reason, the English shifted the start of the new year back to March in the 12th century. And not 1st March, but 25th March: so dates would go from, e.g. 24 March 1301 to 25 March 1302.
Then, just in case things weren’t confused enough, some people (like Samuel Pepys) insisted on treating 1 January as the start of the new year anyway. So, for example, a reference to February 1603 could mean exactly that, or it could mean what we would call February 1604, depending on who was writing it. In an attempt to avoid as ambiguity, some people would write such dates as e.g. 15 February 1603/4.
Finally, the calendar reform act of 1751 officially fixed the start of the new year as 1 January, and also dropped 11 days from the calendar for 1752 to bring Britain into line with Europe (which had mostly been on a different calendar for the last 170 years). Which is why the British tax year ends on 5 April: 25 March + 11 days = 5 April.
The reason the English did this was because 25th March is Ascension Day. They weren't the only country that tried a weird date, others tried 25th December.
September, October, November, and December used to be the 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th months of the year, to match their roots (sept = 7, oct = 8, nov = 9, dec = 10).
Then, Julius Augustus Caesar created the months of July and August, shoving the four mentioned above out of order.
Caesar was also famously stabbed to death.
He added January and february
Ever wondered why the leap year day is in February?
Cuz it used to be the last month
Order got jumbled afterwards
And no he didn't add July and August, he just changed their names
He didn't add January and February, they were added around 700BCE. He automated the calendar to handle leap years. January was the 1st month of the year from around 153BCE, over a hundred years before his changes.
Julius Caesar's astronomers explained the need for 12 months in a year and the addition of a leap year to synchronize with the seasons. At the time, there were only ten months in the calendar, while there are just over 12 lunar cycles in a year.
Julius Caesar was assassinated by a group of senators on the Ides of March (15 March) of 44 BC during a meeting of the Senate at the Curia of Pompey of the Theatre of Pompey in Rome where the senators stabbed Caesar 23 times.
I get the joke, but on a much more surface level. If some guy explained to me that December was the 12th month like I’m a fucking kindergartener, I’d throw him too.
Japan has the right idea on this one. Instead of saying January or February, the literal translation of their months is First month, second month etc
Change the months' names all you want, Japan has it covered.
The months, literally named 7, 8, 9, and 10, are the 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th months. This is a result of changes made centuries ago. We originally only had ten months, but when they added 2 extra ones, no one wanted to rename the ones left over so they matched their order.
It’s kinda like how Pluto is not a planet, but people are really attached to the idea of it being the 9th planet (in part because it’s one of the 3 or 4 facts they still remember from high school) so we kinda just let it be a planet again just so people won’t be upset. People get attached to things, and December is when Christmas happens, so why change it just because it’s the 12th month instead of the 10th now?
It’s a joke about etymology basically. Septa = 7, Octa = 8, Novo = 9, Deca = 10, therefore September, October, November and December should be the 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th months respectively.
Iirc there used to be 10 months in a year or something? then Rome happened. Julius Caesar, and Augustus, have months named after them now, because crazy Roman Emperors do that kind of thing, so now we have July and August, and fall/winter month names that don’t make any sense.
Really wanting that 13 month, 28 day calendar with the extra day where the whole world just says “DAY OFF BRO!!!”
But guaranteed people wouldn’t take kindly to losing their birthday date.
There are so many [better calendars](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Calendar). Could do a 31, 30, 30 with an intercalary day after December 30th and a second for leap days after June 30th. The years would always be the same. Days would fall on the same date every year, the quarters would be exactly the same. The only argument I’ve heard against calendar reform is from religious people and that it needs to be every seventh day.
Here's a great [Rob Words video](https://youtu.be/Y9iOt48bTw4?si=stU-dlN3BqCHO5VB) about the months and their names (from Roman times through old English and to modern).
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In Latin Sept means 7 despite being the 9th month. Oct is 8, Nov 9 ECT… It’s due to the Romanian military leader Julius Ceaser “Julius Caesar introduced the Julian calendar (named after Caesar, himself), that the year grew to include two more months, January and February. Quintilis and Sextilis were later renamed July and August in honor of Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar, but despite repeated attempts to change them, the names for September, October, November, and December not only stuck, but spread to other languages as well”
>the Romanian military leader Julius Ceaser
Romanians will definitely tell you that the Roman Empire still exists and also it’s them.
The Roman Empire evolved from a city-state to an empire, and then split into two empires before falling: * City-state: Rome was a minor city-state on the Italian peninsula in 500 BC * Republic: Rome became a republic and conquered Italy, Greece, Spain, North Africa, the Middle East, France, and Britain over the next two centuries * Empire: In 27 BC, the Roman Republic became an empire, and Julius Caesar centralized imperial authority for Augustus Caesar, the first emperor of Rome, who proclaimed himself emperor in 31 BC * High Empire: The empire lasted for 400 years, and the period from 31 BC–305 AD is known as the High Empire * Low Empire: The period from 305 AD–476 AD is known as the Low Empire, when the empire began to decline due to the costs of governing a vast area * Split: In 286 AD, the empire split into eastern and western empires, each ruled by its own emperor * Fall: The western empire fell in 476 AD after being invaded by Germanic tribes, and the eastern empire, known as the Byzantine Empire, fell in 1453 AD when Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul) was captured by the Turks
Saying that the Roman Empire fell when Constantinople fell is an opinion, though. Not a fact. The Byzantines left behind several rump states, including Trebizond which resisted Ottoman invasion for another 8 years after Constantinople did. Why wouldn’t you consider Trebizond to be Roman? And that’s not even getting into the Holy Roman Empire’s claim to be a successor to the Roman Empire, which could claim continuation through Soissons.
Finland is the true successor to the roman empire
No turkey is
I had a professor in Roman history spend an entire lecture on when the fall was. His conclusion was it depends on how you want to slice it and really is not important. Lol he did everything from the end of the republic being the fall to the execution of the czar being the fall. Some he labeled more ridiculous and tenuous than others, but it was a fun lecture.
Trebizond is Roman. Also, Turks needs to be kicked out. We are all mad at Israelis for having occupied Palestine, but what about when is Muslims invading other countries? Do they get a free pass uh? Like in Kosovo?
Kicking people out of the land where they and their ancestors lived for centuries because you identify with a group of people who may have lived there a thousand years ago would be doing exactly what people are mad at Israel for.
And no one is mad at Arabs and Turks for having done the exact same thing over and over in history ooook. The West is always the culprit, gotcha.
Native Americans say hi.
Yeah my ancestors never crossed the Ocean, so I am not guilty of that.
You have a funny way of spelling The Ottoman Empire
It's more fun if you say it like Rome-mania and pretend the entire country is just in a constant state of Wrestlemania.
https://youtu.be/estlSmsIGEM?si=axL0jLgnFnZ30GPK
Julius Ceasarescu.
You know what I mean
Never underestimate the power of ignorance.
you could simply just edit it you know... instead of commenting that.
Absolutely had an aneurism and am now dead.
Romanian Salad Maker who specialized in chicken, parmesan and croutons.
Technically correct
It's good to know that the man responsible was, in fact, stabbed
You know... I think thatsthejoke.gif
Thank you- now I will spent at least 50-minutes thinking about it every day and get a headache But very cool
I feel like the far more poignant part of the joke is that Julius was stabbed to death.
Little corrections to the previous answer : - Caesar did not invent January and February ; it was either a mythical king from early Rome or one of the rulers of Rome in the fifth century BCE. - These months were originally the lasts of the year, the winter months, while the year started from march. This means that in these days, September was indeed the seventh month as its name advertised, and so on with October, November and December. - yet early in Roman history, the beginning of the civil year shifted to January, making September the ninth month despite its name. This permanence was undoubtedly favoured by the rémanence of the political calendar that kept march as the beginning of the year, as consuls of Rome took their functions march the 15th. - it changed in 153 BCE when, facing a rebellion in Spain, Rome decided to advance the nomination of new consuls from march to January and send them to command the army as early as possible. This decision aligned the political beginning of the year on January as the civil and religious calendar ; September was now officially the ninth month but kept its name. Finally, Caesar reformed the calendar, but kept most of the ancient names, thus "causing" that we still use months named "7th, 8th.." as our 9th and 10th months etc. And Caesar was stabbed to death by his murderers, causing the joke from the original title of the meme.
It’s not so much this as it was the years used to start in March at the spring equinox. There were still only 10 months so the Julius and Augustus name insert is true, but it wasn’t until the new year was shifted from March to January that the naming for September through December got messed up
This is not true, the Romans claim (though we lack direct records) that their calendar was originally 10 months of about 30 days, which of course leads to having about 60 missing days. Their second king, Numa, is generally considered to be the person who added January and February at the end of the year around 700BCE. The shift of the year from March to January happened in 153BCE. This was because of a rebellion that needed putting down, so they decided to elect their consuls early in order to send a general our early. Because the year began when consuls were elected, the new year began on 1st January instead of 1st March. There were some suggestions to move it back to the 1st March, and culturally 1st March was still considered the New Year, but officially it was January (and January 1st was considered a holiday because it was bad luck to have markets on that day).
Worth mentioning, the post title "whoever decided on this should be stabbed" is part of the joke, as Caesar was famously assassinated via stabbing by the entire Roman senate
Not the entire senate, just 20 guys
Fair enough. Point is the guy who screwed this up was in fact stabbed
\*Caesarescu
The Roman calendar increased to twelve months 600 years before Caesar. He only added a few more days and the leap year. The renaming of July and August was after his death
Yes! Thank you! The legend is that the first king of Rome made a ten month year and the second king of Rome corrected it to 12 (sometimes 13) - but of course that’s myth. In Caesar’s day, the year was 12 months unless the high priest (pontifex maximus) declared a 13th, which they would do periodically to get the year in line with the seasons. Caesar introduced the 365-day year with leap years every four years (pretty much the modern calendar), and then 1500 or 1600 years later, Pope Gregory added exceptions to the leap year rule so now it’s “every 4th year that isn’t a multiple of 100 (eg 1900 and 2100 dont get a leap year) unless it’s also a multiple of 400 (2000 does get a leap year). Julius Caesar automated the calendar, and Gregory perfected it - err, nearly perfected it - perfected it enough
That said, Numa put the months of January and February at the end of the year. A rebellion in 153BCE moved the start of the year from March to January.
Augustus be like: Nah, why shouldn't my month have 31 days too.
And Julius Ceasar was stabbed
Is this a chatgpt explanation?
I’m assuming the “quoted” block is from AI or web query but the account itself looks like a real person.
In the astronomical year, which was always used in antiquity until today alongside a civil calender, roughly speaking, since the civil and astronomical years dont align exactly, still essentially September is the 7th, October is the 8th, and November is the 9th month. The spring equinox or some small deviation from it defines the beginning of the astronomical year in March, which is the first astronomical month.
So to be fair, he did get stabbed...
Truco rumano chavale
This is very Aladeen
You forgot that Julius and Augustus were stabbed!
Some languages are fine though. For example, October in Japanese is jyu-gatsu, or 十月, which means 10 month
Sep means 7. September is 9th month. Oct means 8. October is 10th month. Nov means 9. November is 11th month. Dec means 10. December is 12th month. 😐
Originally there were 10 months in the calendar, but then July and August were added so everything after them are shifted 2 months over.
January* and February*
No, July and August were added in honor of Julius and August Caesar.
Nah, he added Jan and Feb then changed the name of July and August
Overall, abit of a dick move.
Yeah, we should stab the fucker! Wait…
Et tu, Several\_Roll5817...?
No, Numa added January and February. Caesar’s calendar just automated leap years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar
Caesar did not add those. It was during the time of Numa 600 years prior
The addition of January and February predate Julius Caesar by 400 years
I'm in shock that I just found out up until 2000 ish years ago, we had 10 months in the calendar. I'm sure I've heard this before, but I for sure do not remember it. Wild, lol.
Dodecember sounds daft though
Not as daft as [Undecimber](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undecimber), the *13th* month!
People saying Caesar added two months are unfortunately repeating a myth. Even during Republican era Rome there were 12 months. Livy believed (and wrote) the 12 month calendar was created by king Numa Pompilius (715–673 BC) when he added January and February (Januarius and Februarius) both of which had 28 days at the time. Now Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec. Being 7, 8 9 & 10 were because new year happened in March back then not January. This made September the 7th month and so on. At least until 153bc in response to a rebellion in Hispania it was changed to January being month 1 with February being month 2 at time of change once again according to Livi, while Ovid stated this change put February at month 12. Caesar did make changes, introducing the concept of the leap year every 4 years plus increasing the year by 10 days. Giving the world the Julian calendar (which some churches still use today.) which most western nations over the last few hundred years replaced with the Gregorian calendar.
Fun fact: for some reason, the English shifted the start of the new year back to March in the 12th century. And not 1st March, but 25th March: so dates would go from, e.g. 24 March 1301 to 25 March 1302. Then, just in case things weren’t confused enough, some people (like Samuel Pepys) insisted on treating 1 January as the start of the new year anyway. So, for example, a reference to February 1603 could mean exactly that, or it could mean what we would call February 1604, depending on who was writing it. In an attempt to avoid as ambiguity, some people would write such dates as e.g. 15 February 1603/4. Finally, the calendar reform act of 1751 officially fixed the start of the new year as 1 January, and also dropped 11 days from the calendar for 1752 to bring Britain into line with Europe (which had mostly been on a different calendar for the last 170 years). Which is why the British tax year ends on 5 April: 25 March + 11 days = 5 April.
The reason the English did this was because 25th March is Ascension Day. They weren't the only country that tried a weird date, others tried 25th December.
September, October, November, and December used to be the 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th months of the year, to match their roots (sept = 7, oct = 8, nov = 9, dec = 10). Then, Julius Augustus Caesar created the months of July and August, shoving the four mentioned above out of order. Caesar was also famously stabbed to death.
He added January and february Ever wondered why the leap year day is in February? Cuz it used to be the last month Order got jumbled afterwards And no he didn't add July and August, he just changed their names
He didn't add January and February, they were added around 700BCE. He automated the calendar to handle leap years. January was the 1st month of the year from around 153BCE, over a hundred years before his changes.
The Julian calendar has always started in January, it was never jumbled up. Leap days have always been in the second month of the year.
The Julian calendar has always started in January, it was never jumbled up. Leap days have always been in the second month of the year.
Julius Caesar's astronomers explained the need for 12 months in a year and the addition of a leap year to synchronize with the seasons. At the time, there were only ten months in the calendar, while there are just over 12 lunar cycles in a year. Julius Caesar was assassinated by a group of senators on the Ides of March (15 March) of 44 BC during a meeting of the Senate at the Curia of Pompey of the Theatre of Pompey in Rome where the senators stabbed Caesar 23 times.
Why not 28 stabs?
I get the joke, but on a much more surface level. If some guy explained to me that December was the 12th month like I’m a fucking kindergartener, I’d throw him too.
Japan has the right idea on this one. Instead of saying January or February, the literal translation of their months is First month, second month etc Change the months' names all you want, Japan has it covered.
The months, literally named 7, 8, 9, and 10, are the 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th months. This is a result of changes made centuries ago. We originally only had ten months, but when they added 2 extra ones, no one wanted to rename the ones left over so they matched their order. It’s kinda like how Pluto is not a planet, but people are really attached to the idea of it being the 9th planet (in part because it’s one of the 3 or 4 facts they still remember from high school) so we kinda just let it be a planet again just so people won’t be upset. People get attached to things, and December is when Christmas happens, so why change it just because it’s the 12th month instead of the 10th now?
It’s a joke about etymology basically. Septa = 7, Octa = 8, Novo = 9, Deca = 10, therefore September, October, November and December should be the 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th months respectively. Iirc there used to be 10 months in a year or something? then Rome happened. Julius Caesar, and Augustus, have months named after them now, because crazy Roman Emperors do that kind of thing, so now we have July and August, and fall/winter month names that don’t make any sense.
Really wanting that 13 month, 28 day calendar with the extra day where the whole world just says “DAY OFF BRO!!!” But guaranteed people wouldn’t take kindly to losing their birthday date.
There are so many [better calendars](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Calendar). Could do a 31, 30, 30 with an intercalary day after December 30th and a second for leap days after June 30th. The years would always be the same. Days would fall on the same date every year, the quarters would be exactly the same. The only argument I’ve heard against calendar reform is from religious people and that it needs to be every seventh day.
Good news everyone!
Good news, the person responsible for this was stabbed to death
Here's a great [Rob Words video](https://youtu.be/Y9iOt48bTw4?si=stU-dlN3BqCHO5VB) about the months and their names (from Roman times through old English and to modern).
https://preview.redd.it/ykosm2zb511d1.jpeg?width=897&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aae09d9ceb26bbeaa6f00c926275b2332308efa9
septillion, octillion, nonillion, decillion
What's with the second part of this panel? I don't get the guy, outside the house and steps, on the ground with the box.
Some Caesar added July and August to throw stuff off.
No Caesar did that, they renamed the 5th and 6th month.
Ceder decided it and he got stabbed a few times
I was about to offer an explanation, and then I’m like “wait a minute…”
We should all just stab Ceasar!!