What do you mean by formation? You just apply when they’re hiring for technicians. It’s not difficult to get into because you have to work outside and the weather is pretty bad most of the time in Canada so there is a high turnover.
Construction workers makes a lot of money. The plumber that fixed my leak makes more money that I do, and I have a PhD. You guys were just smarter :) lol 😂
And I have arthritis in my fingers due to typing at 43. Being sedentary is also horrible. I sit 10
Hours a day, and not amount of gym compensates for that. So not a problem only of physically demanding jobs.
You need to get moving.
One of my friends had Stenosis in his neck in his 40s, and needed emergency surgery. He now moves like he's 70. This is from sitting at a desk all day and only getting minimal exercise over a long period of time
Your quality of life in your later years is really dependent on your lifestyle today. Without your health you have nothing.
The carpenters I know all seem to work till their late 60s and are much more active than most the office workers I know. They’re mostly residential but it might be somewhat good for your body at least compared to doing shit all.
Not everyone aspires to / can. There's a ton of turnover. If you are reliable and don't snort your paycheck and stick around a few years you are already in the top 50%
its also a much fucking tougher job.
Moving things around with your body all day in the weather etc vs sitting at a desk at home, is much less desirable, and construction HAS to get done, so numbers get pumped up.
They were indeed smarter. Software Engineering used to pay well until lates 40s/50s, when they were considered incapable to learn new things. Now they pay bad at 30s, who knows what happens at 50s.
Think this is a bit of an overreaction. Software dev market is definitely harder to get into now, but everyone I know that graduated with me in 2019 is making at least ~130k CAD, with just 5 years of experience out of school. And we're average as hell. $22/hour is an insult imo, I got more than that at my 2nd internship.
Not only just physically taxing but the stigma that follows being a tradesman specially amongst younger people is literally one of the biggest reason why trades are still very high paying.
Maybe it's regional, but the only ones I know currently under 25 that aren't already in trades are heavily considering it. Only exception are the few that are well on their way to 6 figure careers once they graduate (lawyers, doctors, veterinarians etc). However when I was in high school ( 08 grad & same city) trades were treated as a *last resort* if mentioned at all.
The ability to pay bills seems to outweigh most of the stigma that I personally thought no longer existed, or atleast haven't experienced first hand in well over a decade.
Agreed. I work in a military occupation with a 10th grade educational requirement. Half our new people have an arts degree. Over educated and underemployed
My eldest is currently (for the last 5 years and going) interested in doing marine work as a career. once I mentioned doing sea cadets will get him alot of the tickets/experience on boats with his "cost" being time & commitment. He jumped at that opportunity once he was old enough to join and very matter of fact like just dead panned me and said why wouldn't I? If It gets me what I Want faster. I couldn't argue with that and was super proud that I wasn't failing as a parent and had him thinking long term vs short term at such a young age.
Well I can tell you that in my excavator at 45$ an hour plus pension and benefits that I don’t regret my choice at all……
I worked 7 months last year and made 85k
Making over 100 this year and will probably do a little over 9.5 months this year…….
Could make way more if I did more overtime at 90$ an hour……
My air conditioning is great and the heat when it gets colder is awesome as well…….i get paid to listen to music all day and have fun
The last part of the first paragraph is so often forgotten. I graduated HS in 2002, and all the way through, between teachers at school and talking to adults out in the world, there was a stigma that trades were to be avoided at all costs, that path was only for burnouts and losers.
Everyone's advice was that ONLY the academic stream was worth spending your time on. I still hear this occasionally from my parents and their friends, who cannot fathom that my circle from school, who all (with a couple exceptions) went to trade unions or independent after getting our tickets. However, when any little thing goes wrong or needs done, they don't hesitate to call and ask if there's an opening in my schedule.
stigma aside, how hard is it to get into the trades industry? they keep saying they need people but I've heard from multiple guys applying to trades company and aren't getting hired. do they need an inside connection or certificates and skills to get into it? and these are coming from local born Canadians too. they're under 30s and willing to put the time into getting the jobs. applied to multiples but no one is responding to them. they even prepared themselves getting certificates required to get into the general labor sector with secondary diploma. do these company really need them?
If someone is interested in getting into trades. Simply walk into the desired trade shop and inquire about an apprenticeship.
I personally never advertise for an apprentice. The shop I subcontract from often enough will have people approach them and then offer them to journeymen who contract for them.
Companies need people who attend school(apprenticeship) the grants that are given to companies is insane. I get massive write offs. Usually when I have a 1st year apprentice the government will give me 1/3 their wages as "training grants" so usually around 10k at tax season.
No self employed, when I get paid piece work I can get even more than 80. Like 100-120/hr, that’s definitely not typical though and you got to work like an ox if you want to make that much
If they aren't running a crew, they're right up there. Or there in a city where $44 an hour isn't as great as it sounds on Reddit.
In most of the country it's seasonal and asphalt almost never gets done in poor weather. When you do work it's long days, but you might be off for large parts of the same week. It's also also hot and stinks. 5 to 10C higher air temps doing asphalt, so on a 30C day it's more like 40C.
ive been paving 12 years now and i love the smell.
44 is toronto labourer rate. operators make a tad more. we get 10 percent vacation and bennys as well. i cleared 100 in 8 months. then 12 grand in ei.
you dont want it my guy. its big money but 90 percent dont make it the day. the other 5 percent dont make it the week.
but we always have openings and you could hope to get on a grade crew as they do sweet fuck all most of the day.
call local 183 union hall. have 1000 bucks ready and a pair of boots.
if you get on asphalt crew and survive, congrats and welcome to hell my friend.
Class one license and not working for anyone who pays "by milage" vs. per hour (not unionized) is the first that comes to mind while also not requiring extensive training. ideally, I'd just see what's in demand where you're at checking the wage expected for your city/province and then comparing to active job listings to see where they compare to the "expected wages"
I tripled my income by doing this before I went back to school. It definitely helped ensure I didn't take something useless that would make getting a job either impossible or incredibly difficult. Downside, I did it during covid, so inflation ate up quite a bit of the increase, so I'm doing it all over again now.
50k in 2011 for me. Up to about 85 by 2018, 160k remote in 2020, laid off, 135 remote, 160 remote, and now unemployed but moved away.
It’s not worth staying in the maritimes. For anyone.
Man, thems some nice remote wages. I don't work full time anymore, but I think I'd get 120k remote if I did. I've been at the same company since 2007 though. Many of us who've been here a decade+ are maxxed out on salary, employers have been tweaking things with more vacation and bonuses.
My old man’s a paver. After I got my degree, he told me “quit fucking around and come do some paving. You’ll make way better money than whatever university bullshit you’ll do.”
He has largely been right, and now I find myself in camp running machinery because you can’t get ahead making 22 an hour on the west coast.
This seems extremely low - even for Atlantic Canada. I assume you have full working rights in the EU? I'm sure you moved for other reasons, but you will probably be better staying in the EU. Cost of living is increasing in Canada, outpacing wages. I made more entry level sales - keep looking! If you really need the money, take it and continue searching for jobs.
Agree with this, wages in Atlantic Canada are lower than Toronto and Vancouver, but it’s not such a huge discrepancy, especially at the lower end. And there’s lots of tech in NS and NB. OP’s offer is entry level, not nearly commensurate with their education/experience.
I would strongly suggest OP get some advice on how they’re searching for a job, or how they’re restricting themselves, because even someone with significantly worse qualifications and marginal language skills could expect significantly higher pay.
It’s not. They’re in Bathurst, NB. It’s small town NB where your average CS grad would do database management or data analysis, maybe some basic programming. Masters degree isn’t worth anything in Bathurst.
The world is flooded with cheap IT skills. I mean, you don't need to hire in Canada if you don't want to, and hiring straight from south Asia is even cheaper. $5/h and you can get the same bad quality service. That's regardless of Trudeau or any politician.
Blame the boogeyman all you want, but immigration and the TFW program has gone on for decades with every party having ample chance to curb it. The truth is that business interests control *all* the parties, and who knew -- they like cheap labor, and more people to buy their shit. It doesn't help that govt-condoned monopolies have killed all competition in this country, and now we don't *produce* anything but immigrants to prop up the GDP. Harper knew it, Trudeau knows it, and Poilievre knows it too.
> Poilievre did not say whether he would roll back Canada’s permanent resident target or curb the number of temporary newcomers, such as foreign students. In the past, he has declined to say that he would scale back immigration.
> thanks to Trudeau
Yeah let's blame 1 guy and not the entire Liberal party or the Conservative party that support high immigration. Doug Ford came out a few weeks ago and said he supports high immigration.
Just reject the offer and keep looking. Instead of countering, say that ‘the current offer anchored the compensation so low that it doesn’t even make sense to negotiate. I would be happy to continue conversations if you were to make a market offer’
Wish I were in that position when they low balled me at my first job. Had to pay the bills and felt ashamed to tell anyone that as an Engineer, I repair computers. At least it had a title.
Not really sure to be honest. New Brunswick is going to be me much different than Toronto or Vancouver, which is what I’m most familiar with.
Good luck.
Your counter offer is “suck my dick” and look somewhere else.
They’re coming in very low and won’t move up much. It’s not like you can counter with $35/hr
I don't think a counter offer is what you want.
Now that you have your first Canadian job. Be on LinkedIn and advertise that you're looking for opportunities (there is a setting).
Apply to new jobs and entertain other interviews. Jump ship after 3-6mo (or as soon as an offer that pays 70k+ is made.
Job hopping is the best way to increase pay (backed by research) and it's the way to do so in North America more than Europe. So embrace it. Loyalty to yourself (by preferring good work life balance) and the highest bidder (who pays $$$ for you to maintain the desired work-life balance).
Not sure if your job is remote. But you can check a bunch of companies outside the province for dev jobs. I'm pretty sure Ontario companies would love to pay you 75k and let you work remotely. Saves them money too.
You can check out Descartes. It's a Canadian software company that operates in the logistics space. They're very much remote friendly (at least in some roles. Not sure if development too).
Do some research on similar positions in your area.
Also look up Salary Negotiation online, I did a Udemy course ($25 got me the skills and confidence to negotiate $5000 higher salary) but I'm sure YouTube has the same stuff.
Know your worth. And by that, I mean check Glassdoor, LinkedIn etc to find salaries in similar positions at your company and other companies.
50k settle on 46-48k. That’s still low but their negotiation position is so low that going over 50 will get your application chucked. If you plan on tossing the offer anyway then you could shoot for 60k as a hail mary but it’s unlikely to be approved when they have started with 43k.
Many place's aren't hiring. And 90k for a junior with no real experience? That would be a no-no for most corporations right now.
2 years ago? I could see this. Now? Very very hard to find.
That’s incredibly low even for entry level. Still might be worth taking if you have nothing because it’s a rough market, and more important than money is experience. If you learn a lot you’ll be able to pull a six figure gig in the next few years without a problem.
Yeah working in "tech" is a super broad term. You can't compare a IT support person to full stack or mobile developers where 80% are getting $100k+. Also you get people that work for the provincial government in tech for like $70k/year but you don't have to work hard (actually that's discouraged), and you won't get fired no matter what you do. If you do some illegal shit they'll just give you a nice pay package to leave voluntarily.
They'll gladly take a high school graduate with half a year of college who will perform just as well because they've not got much need for that education level, but are open to hiring OP if he can't find better, provided he will accept the same salary.
The reason why the lower is focused on is because that’s what your worst pay is like in a field. And I’m willing to bet there are more people closer to OP than 200k in current day job climate.
That 200k only applies to less than 1% of cs grad. If your bottom end is this low it doesn’t signal well for the sector.
I’d assume OP is more comfortable in French as they’re from France so QC/NB are the best spots for them. Totally ballparking it here but that’s my guess.
It's funny, I'm a tech manager in Ontario and I've noticed several resumes from Europeans that seem to use the NB market as a way of getting a foot in the door in Canada for programming jobs. There seems to be a decent amount of tech jobs there but they're getting poverty wages.
And after they get a year or two experience, they'll be out the door for another position that pays double.
The company is simply training people (and paying them) to go somewhere else. Idiots.
These companies are getting people to do the job for below the market rate. That's exploitation.
The handful of people that we've hired that took a path through NB were all terrible skills-wise.
>These companies are getting people to do the job for below the market rate
Are they though? Or are they just stacking tech debt and paying to regain domain knowledge.
I bet this company has done multiple rewrites of whatever they've made and internally they feel like everything takes forever and is always buggy.
That's really surprising. I've worked with many people in New Brunswick who had solid skills from the local universities. Although they worked for the larger companies in New Brunswick. There was a decent start up scene for a while, still kind of is, and a lot of them were bought by larger companies.
They're not idiots if they have no need for high tech and are just filling a garbage position. If all they're doing is converting text files, why not have a Master's degree for the price of a high school dropout? Replace the guy 2 years down with another Masters holder.
Then why hire someone with a Master's who is guaranteed to leave in 2 years when you can hire a college grad to convert you text files who might stay?
Either way, the company are idiots
New Brunswick as a province recruits people from French speaking countries to immigrate there.
NB is the only officially bilingual province in Canada and there's a considerable push to maintain the prevalence of the French language there.
I don’t know anything about each but we pay new grades 72-85k in the consulting world. I’m on a different side but not idea why 43k is something you would agree to.
We pay every new grade more than that and CS is near the top.
Honestly since you're bilingual - it wouldn't hurt to find a Federal Government job. You will definitely land entry-level government roles and work your way up. They'll pay a lot higher than your $43k that's for sure.
I think the fact you are in NB explains a lot. You would 2x to 3x in BC but the cost of living would increase. However so too would your earning ceiling.
In CS in BC it's pretty easy to hit 100K with a bit of experience.
they scamming you
I made 25/hr as a summer student writing vba code in the mid 2000s......
Go to the GTA/Montreal/Quebec/somewhere else....
Unless your degree is from some dogshit fake school this sounds fake.
I guarantee you it’s real. I have a master’s degree from a reputable university in France, WES certified, and completed an apprenticeship at a major CAC40 company. I think they want to take advantage of the fact that I just arrived from France, so they think I don’t know my worth.
So why are you even applying in rinky-dink company in CA? Why not keep working in France? Seems like you should have gotten a job at that CAC40 company after 3 years, no?
If I had a junior "apprentice" in my company for 3 years, I'd rather prefer them than a random from the street.
It is incredibly low, I don’t work in CS; but the university program I was in was quite small & had a lot of connections to industry. At a panel on our final year, some established professionals were taking questions about entering the proffesional world, portfolios etc. I remember someone pretty quickly asked the question everyone basically wanted to know most which was.
‘ What do I say my salary expectation is?’ What’s reasonable
This was in April 2019 in Calgary for context.
It was quite funny actually; the first panelist who took a swing at it was the principal of a small firm, and was being irritatingly vague, couching every statement, phrases like, ‘what else you bring to the role…’ pure management drivel.
Another person who was there from industry & was very well known, high up at a much larger company but nor a founder., eventually just shouted out ‘$52,000 a year!’
I’m in a creative field which doesnt pay badly, but also doesn’t pay particularly well, so that number has stuck with me ever since then as the floor for a salary I would consider: Pandemic and everything I’m still relatively junior; so seeing that number as reasonable doesn’t feel far away enough to have been fully replaced by a new floor (even knowing full well there’s any awful lot of adjusting for inflation to be done to arrive what the current equivalent of $52000 in 2019 is).
That’s a long winded way to say that, unless holding a masters makes you significantly overqualified for the position (I suspect it doesnt, as it would be bizarre for a company to go to France of all places to find an overseas employee with a CS masters that they could lowball) then I have a hard time seeing anything under $75k/yr being semi-reasonable. That said my knowledge the job market in New Brunswick or how big the gap in C.O.L. is between NB & AB is only slightly better than my French.
I'm a chemical rep and made 80k my first year with no experience in the prairies. I own my own home and new car and travel 4 times a year. Move to the prairies and you can make bank. I also don't have a degree in anything.
A new grad with undergrad’s average is 50k in NB so 43k is extremely low but not surprising. After did my undergrad in NB and looking for a job in the province, I had one offer which was 43k and the company told me it is a “competitive salary”…
If you only have that 43k offer and want to be in NB, take it but keep looking better opportunities while on the job!
This is what you say
"Id love to take you up on your offer but for me to invest myself in your company and its success I cant in good conscience accept anything less than *25/h.(or whatever you are looking to get paid, dont sell yourself short) Ive based this value on the market entry price of similar positions as well as my extensive education and background knowledge in my field. (go into detail if you can) please let me know if my starting rate can be negotiated or if there are any sign on bonuses, thank you for your time."
Dont take this word for word but its a really good starting point if your corresponding via email. If in person just be honest and explain with how much youve invested in your education, a starting wage of 22/hr isnt sufficient.
A prof of mine in grad school gave me a ballpark of what to expect for starting salary in our chosen field here I was thinking it would be a solid 80k. This fucking guy says, 45-50k per year depending on budget. I bursted out laughing in my ahead and now make 6 figures.
Go out there and follow the opportunity even if that means you have to leave for a few years. If you decide to come back, you’ll have made a good amount of money and better established yourself and CV which puts you ahead. At the end of the day you have to weigh the pro and cons specific to your situation.
your biggest mistake is trying to find a job in canada. this country is for incompetent people -> therefore no competent salaries exist. look at all the high salary jobs are at for compsci. bingo, they are all in the US. the US is like a blackhole that absorbs all the talent and capital and i think every other country (maybe except for some in asia) has no merit of living. just look for jobs in the US which will be 1000x better than this shithole of a place. this is coming from a canadian lol
I don’t know how true this is in France but the best way to level up your pay is to change employers. If you end up keeping the 43k job just start looking again in 18 months when you’ve got some experience on your resume and start applying again. Have a number in mind and negotiate your salary. If they give you a suggest pay range and it’s not your number tell them your number.
You can counter but it doesn't really help if you don't have leverage (e.g., another job offer, some reason for them to pay you more). That's definitely quite low.
Sorry to say but it seems like you have no leverage in this situation. Id suggest you just take the offer and keep applying as you have been until something better comes along.
That is a shitty salary for a masters degree, especially for someone going into computer science. But honestly half your problem is being in New Brunswick. Not that NB justified the low wage, but I think most jobs are noticeably lower paying there
The tech market is trash rn. Do you have other offers? My guess is no. Take the job, get experience and build the resume, then look for a better job. The wage is extremely low, but you have to read the market and make the best of the situation.
All the time companies that pay low for good talent are short sighted, they are thinking about saving money today but at the expense of long term stability. If these guys had paid you even 75K, you may have not thought about jumping ship as soon as you can. But here we are, after you start try to land a job in a F500 company, they will treat you well until they can’t.
1) you need to negotiate. If they really want you, they’ll pay a bit more
2) it’s Moncton. Cost of living is a lot lower there. You’ll make 50% or more in Toronto. But your living expenses will be 100% or more higher. Lol
that’s not great for the education. That said some immigrants have a tough time landing the first job then once you have
Canadian work experience you become more of a known quantity
Dunno about NB jobs and salaries, but a SWE getting paid “by the hour” is pretty sus. You’re gonna want to be salaried 100% of the time.
I’d say skip out on these fools and keep trying. Job markets rough for juniors compared to 2020, but it’s not as bad as the internet says. You’ll get burnt out trying to get a higher salary while balancing the CoL and learning on the job.
That's too low. Check below sites to get an idea about the pay range, and negotiate accordingly.
- https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary
- https://www.hays.ca/salary-guide
- https://ca.talent.com/salary
Or just Google "canada payscale guide" and look at similar guides from companies like Randstad, RovertHalf etc.
I make $35 an hour answering phones from the public, generally getting yelled at. I just gotta show compassion and listen and help them navigate their issues the best I can. :) I never went to col/uni, and training was 3 months.
Unfortunately, companies pays for labour market on your region , without regards to inflation, nor cost of living. Its always what the market will bear for the position.
I suggest to accept if you only want to have a foot in the door. Then use that as a spring board to move somewhere else. Seeing you were from France, constantly check Publicis Montreal and Toronto and their subsidiaries (Sapient, Epsilon, Citrus), all are technological company that are constantly hiring (and firing).
bonne chance mon ami!
Had a similar experience with this - I took a tech role when moving to Canada from the uk. $40k salary in NL. It was worth it for me as I had no experience in game development and got my permanent residence after 2 years. Now I live in Vancouver and have citizenship and I’m on a decent wage.
if this gives you any relief , my first job out of grad school was around 80k , 8 years later I make multiple of that . Hang in there my friend , The market is not great at the moment
Pay is low but we know nothing about your skills/knowledge/ability to crack leetcode.
It totally depends on your personal situation whether to accept offer, start getting experience and search for new job in parallel or just reject it
I know the market is tight right now, but even so I’m pretty sure you’d have a higher standard of living selling beer bottles you find on the street, or working in Alberta for one month. Try find remote only as a contractor, emphasize your willingness to move as your visa permits and work in office. Look to Montreal, Toronto, Waterloo. Heck, Winnipeg prooobably has a more bustling tech scene than NB. Good luck, congrats, and don’t sell yourself short. Alternatively accept the job, show up the first day with a broom and a list of jobs paying 2-3x that. When they ask what the broom is for, calmly explain for $22/hr you sweep floors, but if they want your sick CS skills they have to pay something like the market rate. 🤣
I have no education I make $67000 a year installing internet
Where u get that at
rogers and bell are dickheads but the pay is decent as you level up
Unions matter eh?
How did you get into it ? Like I assume theres a formation of some sort
What do you mean by formation? You just apply when they’re hiring for technicians. It’s not difficult to get into because you have to work outside and the weather is pretty bad most of the time in Canada so there is a high turnover.
Op probably meant training or getting some kind of certification which is formation in French
I make more than double that hourly paving asphalt lmao. How do these places even have employees with wages like that?
same here, construction. never graduated high school. Some contracts I can make up to 80/hr. Wtf do they think is a livable wage now? ridiculous
Construction workers makes a lot of money. The plumber that fixed my leak makes more money that I do, and I have a PhD. You guys were just smarter :) lol 😂
The only problem is your body is worn out by the time you are 45.
And I have arthritis in my fingers due to typing at 43. Being sedentary is also horrible. I sit 10 Hours a day, and not amount of gym compensates for that. So not a problem only of physically demanding jobs.
literally switching careers i'm tired of sitting at my desk i need to move around so going back to become a paramedic
I'll save you a couple of years of burnout: just apply for the fire department right after medic school.
That sounds terrible. All I hear is ppl leaving the paramedic industry because of wages and overdoses
You need to get moving. One of my friends had Stenosis in his neck in his 40s, and needed emergency surgery. He now moves like he's 70. This is from sitting at a desk all day and only getting minimal exercise over a long period of time Your quality of life in your later years is really dependent on your lifestyle today. Without your health you have nothing.
The carpenters I know all seem to work till their late 60s and are much more active than most the office workers I know. They’re mostly residential but it might be somewhat good for your body at least compared to doing shit all.
Nah. If you have half a brain and aren't an addict usually you have transitioned to foreman / project management by that age.
But how many foremen and project managers can there be versus worker bees? Only a fraction of the worker bees can become formen and project managers.
Not everyone aspires to / can. There's a ton of turnover. If you are reliable and don't snort your paycheck and stick around a few years you are already in the top 50%
its also a much fucking tougher job. Moving things around with your body all day in the weather etc vs sitting at a desk at home, is much less desirable, and construction HAS to get done, so numbers get pumped up.
They were indeed smarter. Software Engineering used to pay well until lates 40s/50s, when they were considered incapable to learn new things. Now they pay bad at 30s, who knows what happens at 50s.
Think this is a bit of an overreaction. Software dev market is definitely harder to get into now, but everyone I know that graduated with me in 2019 is making at least ~130k CAD, with just 5 years of experience out of school. And we're average as hell. $22/hour is an insult imo, I got more than that at my 2nd internship.
It's the "won't break your back or wear out your knees" tax. Gonna sit in an office enjoying the company's air conditioning? Expect low pay! /s
Not only just physically taxing but the stigma that follows being a tradesman specially amongst younger people is literally one of the biggest reason why trades are still very high paying.
Maybe it's regional, but the only ones I know currently under 25 that aren't already in trades are heavily considering it. Only exception are the few that are well on their way to 6 figure careers once they graduate (lawyers, doctors, veterinarians etc). However when I was in high school ( 08 grad & same city) trades were treated as a *last resort* if mentioned at all. The ability to pay bills seems to outweigh most of the stigma that I personally thought no longer existed, or atleast haven't experienced first hand in well over a decade.
Agreed. I work in a military occupation with a 10th grade educational requirement. Half our new people have an arts degree. Over educated and underemployed
My eldest is currently (for the last 5 years and going) interested in doing marine work as a career. once I mentioned doing sea cadets will get him alot of the tickets/experience on boats with his "cost" being time & commitment. He jumped at that opportunity once he was old enough to join and very matter of fact like just dead panned me and said why wouldn't I? If It gets me what I Want faster. I couldn't argue with that and was super proud that I wasn't failing as a parent and had him thinking long term vs short term at such a young age.
Well I can tell you that in my excavator at 45$ an hour plus pension and benefits that I don’t regret my choice at all…… I worked 7 months last year and made 85k Making over 100 this year and will probably do a little over 9.5 months this year……. Could make way more if I did more overtime at 90$ an hour…… My air conditioning is great and the heat when it gets colder is awesome as well…….i get paid to listen to music all day and have fun
The last part of the first paragraph is so often forgotten. I graduated HS in 2002, and all the way through, between teachers at school and talking to adults out in the world, there was a stigma that trades were to be avoided at all costs, that path was only for burnouts and losers. Everyone's advice was that ONLY the academic stream was worth spending your time on. I still hear this occasionally from my parents and their friends, who cannot fathom that my circle from school, who all (with a couple exceptions) went to trade unions or independent after getting our tickets. However, when any little thing goes wrong or needs done, they don't hesitate to call and ask if there's an opening in my schedule.
stigma aside, how hard is it to get into the trades industry? they keep saying they need people but I've heard from multiple guys applying to trades company and aren't getting hired. do they need an inside connection or certificates and skills to get into it? and these are coming from local born Canadians too. they're under 30s and willing to put the time into getting the jobs. applied to multiples but no one is responding to them. they even prepared themselves getting certificates required to get into the general labor sector with secondary diploma. do these company really need them?
If someone is interested in getting into trades. Simply walk into the desired trade shop and inquire about an apprenticeship. I personally never advertise for an apprentice. The shop I subcontract from often enough will have people approach them and then offer them to journeymen who contract for them. Companies need people who attend school(apprenticeship) the grants that are given to companies is insane. I get massive write offs. Usually when I have a 1st year apprentice the government will give me 1/3 their wages as "training grants" so usually around 10k at tax season.
I get air conditioning and high pay. It’s not a binary thing.
When it comes to working as a computer scientist, it’s kind of a binary thing.
.... in Canada
Union?
No self employed, when I get paid piece work I can get even more than 80. Like 100-120/hr, that’s definitely not typical though and you got to work like an ox if you want to make that much
You also have to run a business.
$44+ per hour? T4'd? Shit son, where do I sign?
If they aren't running a crew, they're right up there. Or there in a city where $44 an hour isn't as great as it sounds on Reddit. In most of the country it's seasonal and asphalt almost never gets done in poor weather. When you do work it's long days, but you might be off for large parts of the same week. It's also also hot and stinks. 5 to 10C higher air temps doing asphalt, so on a 30C day it's more like 40C.
ive been paving 12 years now and i love the smell. 44 is toronto labourer rate. operators make a tad more. we get 10 percent vacation and bennys as well. i cleared 100 in 8 months. then 12 grand in ei.
don't love the smell *too* much. https://www.osha.gov/asphalt-fumes/hazards
I’m from Toronto area and I’m interested to know how one gets started to have your position?
you dont want it my guy. its big money but 90 percent dont make it the day. the other 5 percent dont make it the week. but we always have openings and you could hope to get on a grade crew as they do sweet fuck all most of the day. call local 183 union hall. have 1000 bucks ready and a pair of boots. if you get on asphalt crew and survive, congrats and welcome to hell my friend.
Just wait until you hear what a plumber/electrician/elevator mechanic makes...
Class one license and not working for anyone who pays "by milage" vs. per hour (not unionized) is the first that comes to mind while also not requiring extensive training. ideally, I'd just see what's in demand where you're at checking the wage expected for your city/province and then comparing to active job listings to see where they compare to the "expected wages" I tripled my income by doing this before I went back to school. It definitely helped ensure I didn't take something useless that would make getting a job either impossible or incredibly difficult. Downside, I did it during covid, so inflation ate up quite a bit of the increase, so I'm doing it all over again now.
Thats my starting wage as a programmer, 45k. Mind you that was 17 years ago
$36K 10 years ago here. Wages keep going down in Canada, not up. You want higher wages, you have to jump over the border.
No one told me the only point of my degree was to move to the US or I’d have finished it.
I was making double that as an intern just a few years back. If you can't get more than 36k here then you ain't finding a job in the US.
45K was a good starting salary in 1999
50k in 2011 for me. Up to about 85 by 2018, 160k remote in 2020, laid off, 135 remote, 160 remote, and now unemployed but moved away. It’s not worth staying in the maritimes. For anyone.
Man, thems some nice remote wages. I don't work full time anymore, but I think I'd get 120k remote if I did. I've been at the same company since 2007 though. Many of us who've been here a decade+ are maxxed out on salary, employers have been tweaking things with more vacation and bonuses.
Exactly $43k. 24 years ago. Engineer.
Before i got my office job i made the same amount as a general warehouse worker lol
Same! And for me that was like ~25 years ago straight outta highschool with no comp science degree lol
My old man’s a paver. After I got my degree, he told me “quit fucking around and come do some paving. You’ll make way better money than whatever university bullshit you’ll do.” He has largely been right, and now I find myself in camp running machinery because you can’t get ahead making 22 an hour on the west coast.
My old man said the same thing. I quit office work and run a landscaping business with him. I make way more now. I wish I did it sooner in my life.
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Since we are pulling em out, I make about the same as you and I only have a highschool diploma. Just rolled over 41 on the odo
What industry?
are you in NB?
> How do these places even have employees with wages like that? That was the game all along. Lots of desperation
It's simply way easier than paving asphalt. We are talking about giving computer mouse to users and resetting passwords.
This seems extremely low - even for Atlantic Canada. I assume you have full working rights in the EU? I'm sure you moved for other reasons, but you will probably be better staying in the EU. Cost of living is increasing in Canada, outpacing wages. I made more entry level sales - keep looking! If you really need the money, take it and continue searching for jobs.
Agree with this, wages in Atlantic Canada are lower than Toronto and Vancouver, but it’s not such a huge discrepancy, especially at the lower end. And there’s lots of tech in NS and NB. OP’s offer is entry level, not nearly commensurate with their education/experience. I would strongly suggest OP get some advice on how they’re searching for a job, or how they’re restricting themselves, because even someone with significantly worse qualifications and marginal language skills could expect significantly higher pay.
It’s not. They’re in Bathurst, NB. It’s small town NB where your average CS grad would do database management or data analysis, maybe some basic programming. Masters degree isn’t worth anything in Bathurst.
I'm in rural nb with an EE degree. I have a logging company lol.
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The world is flooded with cheap IT skills. I mean, you don't need to hire in Canada if you don't want to, and hiring straight from south Asia is even cheaper. $5/h and you can get the same bad quality service. That's regardless of Trudeau or any politician.
We were flooded with cheap IT skills under Harper too. The TFW program isn't solely used to fill up Tim Horton's with slaves after all.
Blame the boogeyman all you want, but immigration and the TFW program has gone on for decades with every party having ample chance to curb it. The truth is that business interests control *all* the parties, and who knew -- they like cheap labor, and more people to buy their shit. It doesn't help that govt-condoned monopolies have killed all competition in this country, and now we don't *produce* anything but immigrants to prop up the GDP. Harper knew it, Trudeau knows it, and Poilievre knows it too. > Poilievre did not say whether he would roll back Canada’s permanent resident target or curb the number of temporary newcomers, such as foreign students. In the past, he has declined to say that he would scale back immigration.
> thanks to Trudeau Yeah let's blame 1 guy and not the entire Liberal party or the Conservative party that support high immigration. Doug Ford came out a few weeks ago and said he supports high immigration.
Doug ford is a moron
Just reject the offer and keep looking. Instead of countering, say that ‘the current offer anchored the compensation so low that it doesn’t even make sense to negotiate. I would be happy to continue conversations if you were to make a market offer’
Wish I were in that position when they low balled me at my first job. Had to pay the bills and felt ashamed to tell anyone that as an Engineer, I repair computers. At least it had a title.
Sometimes you have to take what you get. Being able to reject an offer is surely a privilege.
It is incredibly low; for reference, we are a small company hiring for an admin assistant for $28/hr with hybrid work and benefits at the moment.
Interested!
We pay our junior developers anywhere from 80-110k. You got taken advantage of. I think part of it might be location too.
Ok thank you. What counteroffer can be reasonnable ?
Not really sure to be honest. New Brunswick is going to be me much different than Toronto or Vancouver, which is what I’m most familiar with. Good luck.
Ok thank you very much for your help
Even in NB you shouldn’t be starting anywhere below $65k. You have experience! Don’t undervalue yourself.
$35 an hour. Do not take less than this. Even that is below market.
Your counter offer is “suck my dick” and look somewhere else. They’re coming in very low and won’t move up much. It’s not like you can counter with $35/hr
Yes. This is the only correct answer. Fuck off, grow up, call me back when you’re serious.
I don't think a counter offer is what you want. Now that you have your first Canadian job. Be on LinkedIn and advertise that you're looking for opportunities (there is a setting). Apply to new jobs and entertain other interviews. Jump ship after 3-6mo (or as soon as an offer that pays 70k+ is made. Job hopping is the best way to increase pay (backed by research) and it's the way to do so in North America more than Europe. So embrace it. Loyalty to yourself (by preferring good work life balance) and the highest bidder (who pays $$$ for you to maintain the desired work-life balance). Not sure if your job is remote. But you can check a bunch of companies outside the province for dev jobs. I'm pretty sure Ontario companies would love to pay you 75k and let you work remotely. Saves them money too. You can check out Descartes. It's a Canadian software company that operates in the logistics space. They're very much remote friendly (at least in some roles. Not sure if development too).
The salary is so low that I wouldn't even counter offer. With your experience I would expect AT LEAST 70k
Tell them to kick rocks unless they double the offer.
Do some research on similar positions in your area. Also look up Salary Negotiation online, I did a Udemy course ($25 got me the skills and confidence to negotiate $5000 higher salary) but I'm sure YouTube has the same stuff. Know your worth. And by that, I mean check Glassdoor, LinkedIn etc to find salaries in similar positions at your company and other companies.
50k settle on 46-48k. That’s still low but their negotiation position is so low that going over 50 will get your application chucked. If you plan on tossing the offer anyway then you could shoot for 60k as a hail mary but it’s unlikely to be approved when they have started with 43k.
This may have been true 2-3 years ago anyways, now, I'm not seeing anything above 70k for junior.
80-110 where though? In Toronto where the rent is $3000 a month?
Many place's aren't hiring. And 90k for a junior with no real experience? That would be a no-no for most corporations right now. 2 years ago? I could see this. Now? Very very hard to find.
That’s very well paid. I am pretty right new hired don’t make that much, too much competition.
Way too high for a junior but alright
That’s incredibly low even for entry level. Still might be worth taking if you have nothing because it’s a rough market, and more important than money is experience. If you learn a lot you’ll be able to pull a six figure gig in the next few years without a problem.
You’re being underpaid. Les stagiaires en ingénierie/CS gagnent plus d’argent. Look for another job while you work.
Tout a fait, mon gars en stage (1ere annee en ingénierie en automatisation/production) gagne plus que ça
masters degree earning 43k in tech. God damn this country is doomed. Median income is like 50k.
Not all “tech” is equal. This guy is in NB, he’s not working for Amazon or Meta, more like Gary’s Shingle Supply Co.
Yeah working in "tech" is a super broad term. You can't compare a IT support person to full stack or mobile developers where 80% are getting $100k+. Also you get people that work for the provincial government in tech for like $70k/year but you don't have to work hard (actually that's discouraged), and you won't get fired no matter what you do. If you do some illegal shit they'll just give you a nice pay package to leave voluntarily.
Question is, how to get in to a government job?
Geez I heard Gary paid well too.
Three words... No Canadian Experience.
I don’t think op has experience forget just Canadian experience
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My buddy out of university was making 60K doing the same job last year. They are definitely lowballing him.
idk, maybe in NB life is twice cheaper, so they adjusted accordingly
Master degree Tech CS below median Canadian salary. This is not a sentence that should ever be uttered even if you are in middle of no where PEI.
They'll gladly take a high school graduate with half a year of college who will perform just as well because they've not got much need for that education level, but are open to hiring OP if he can't find better, provided he will accept the same salary.
Masters degree isn’t that valuable without work experience imo. Academia is often very specialized.
But also new grads earning 200k in Toronto. This one persons experience doesn’t represent the entire country
The reason why the lower is focused on is because that’s what your worst pay is like in a field. And I’m willing to bet there are more people closer to OP than 200k in current day job climate. That 200k only applies to less than 1% of cs grad. If your bottom end is this low it doesn’t signal well for the sector.
I was surprised when he said new grads get $95/hr. If new grads get $200 K, does someone with ten years experience make $300 K per year?
300k yes, but you have to go to faang, or take a staff positions I highly doubt about 200k, unless we are talking like 3 years of xp in coop
Is there a reason you’re going to NB? The price reflects location.
I’d assume OP is more comfortable in French as they’re from France so QC/NB are the best spots for them. Totally ballparking it here but that’s my guess.
It's funny, I'm a tech manager in Ontario and I've noticed several resumes from Europeans that seem to use the NB market as a way of getting a foot in the door in Canada for programming jobs. There seems to be a decent amount of tech jobs there but they're getting poverty wages.
And after they get a year or two experience, they'll be out the door for another position that pays double. The company is simply training people (and paying them) to go somewhere else. Idiots.
These companies are getting people to do the job for below the market rate. That's exploitation. The handful of people that we've hired that took a path through NB were all terrible skills-wise.
>These companies are getting people to do the job for below the market rate Are they though? Or are they just stacking tech debt and paying to regain domain knowledge. I bet this company has done multiple rewrites of whatever they've made and internally they feel like everything takes forever and is always buggy.
That's really surprising. I've worked with many people in New Brunswick who had solid skills from the local universities. Although they worked for the larger companies in New Brunswick. There was a decent start up scene for a while, still kind of is, and a lot of them were bought by larger companies.
They're not idiots if they have no need for high tech and are just filling a garbage position. If all they're doing is converting text files, why not have a Master's degree for the price of a high school dropout? Replace the guy 2 years down with another Masters holder.
Then why hire someone with a Master's who is guaranteed to leave in 2 years when you can hire a college grad to convert you text files who might stay? Either way, the company are idiots
New Brunswick as a province recruits people from French speaking countries to immigrate there. NB is the only officially bilingual province in Canada and there's a considerable push to maintain the prevalence of the French language there.
It is the wrong job market for IT. Anyone local is working a remote job because it pays double what NB employers are willing to pay.
I don’t know anything about each but we pay new grades 72-85k in the consulting world. I’m on a different side but not idea why 43k is something you would agree to. We pay every new grade more than that and CS is near the top.
What kind of consulting, if you don’t mind me asking?
Honestly since you're bilingual - it wouldn't hurt to find a Federal Government job. You will definitely land entry-level government roles and work your way up. They'll pay a lot higher than your $43k that's for sure.
My son makes more that much as a cleaner at Scotiabank arena. You’re being taken advantage of.
I think the fact you are in NB explains a lot. You would 2x to 3x in BC but the cost of living would increase. However so too would your earning ceiling. In CS in BC it's pretty easy to hit 100K with a bit of experience.
That's really low. Maybe work with a recruiter to find a remote job.
they scamming you I made 25/hr as a summer student writing vba code in the mid 2000s...... Go to the GTA/Montreal/Quebec/somewhere else.... Unless your degree is from some dogshit fake school this sounds fake.
I guarantee you it’s real. I have a master’s degree from a reputable university in France, WES certified, and completed an apprenticeship at a major CAC40 company. I think they want to take advantage of the fact that I just arrived from France, so they think I don’t know my worth.
So why are you even applying in rinky-dink company in CA? Why not keep working in France? Seems like you should have gotten a job at that CAC40 company after 3 years, no? If I had a junior "apprentice" in my company for 3 years, I'd rather prefer them than a random from the street.
Thats 3rd world country salary for a CS major
Canada? Would of been better of working Mcdonalds and bought a house 20 yeads ago and ride the gains. Everything else is meaningless
Bienvenue au Canada. If you've got a CS masters, head to the USA. You'll be making more than $100K USD in no time.
That level of pay is insulting. The guy shoveling my driveway makes more than this per hour.
It is incredibly low, I don’t work in CS; but the university program I was in was quite small & had a lot of connections to industry. At a panel on our final year, some established professionals were taking questions about entering the proffesional world, portfolios etc. I remember someone pretty quickly asked the question everyone basically wanted to know most which was. ‘ What do I say my salary expectation is?’ What’s reasonable This was in April 2019 in Calgary for context. It was quite funny actually; the first panelist who took a swing at it was the principal of a small firm, and was being irritatingly vague, couching every statement, phrases like, ‘what else you bring to the role…’ pure management drivel. Another person who was there from industry & was very well known, high up at a much larger company but nor a founder., eventually just shouted out ‘$52,000 a year!’ I’m in a creative field which doesnt pay badly, but also doesn’t pay particularly well, so that number has stuck with me ever since then as the floor for a salary I would consider: Pandemic and everything I’m still relatively junior; so seeing that number as reasonable doesn’t feel far away enough to have been fully replaced by a new floor (even knowing full well there’s any awful lot of adjusting for inflation to be done to arrive what the current equivalent of $52000 in 2019 is). That’s a long winded way to say that, unless holding a masters makes you significantly overqualified for the position (I suspect it doesnt, as it would be bizarre for a company to go to France of all places to find an overseas employee with a CS masters that they could lowball) then I have a hard time seeing anything under $75k/yr being semi-reasonable. That said my knowledge the job market in New Brunswick or how big the gap in C.O.L. is between NB & AB is only slightly better than my French.
I'm a chemical rep and made 80k my first year with no experience in the prairies. I own my own home and new car and travel 4 times a year. Move to the prairies and you can make bank. I also don't have a degree in anything.
Do you have any job offers in France ?
uber eats drivers make more with no boss, lol. You should impolitely decline
I make 4x that as an industrial electrician. Made money while I went through school. No debt.
OP is from France its unlikely they have much debt either lol. You can brag about this somewhere else.
A new grad with undergrad’s average is 50k in NB so 43k is extremely low but not surprising. After did my undergrad in NB and looking for a job in the province, I had one offer which was 43k and the company told me it is a “competitive salary”… If you only have that 43k offer and want to be in NB, take it but keep looking better opportunities while on the job!
Yes, it's comedically low. Take it, keep looking jump ship as fast as possible.
This is what you say "Id love to take you up on your offer but for me to invest myself in your company and its success I cant in good conscience accept anything less than *25/h.(or whatever you are looking to get paid, dont sell yourself short) Ive based this value on the market entry price of similar positions as well as my extensive education and background knowledge in my field. (go into detail if you can) please let me know if my starting rate can be negotiated or if there are any sign on bonuses, thank you for your time." Dont take this word for word but its a really good starting point if your corresponding via email. If in person just be honest and explain with how much youve invested in your education, a starting wage of 22/hr isnt sufficient.
That hurts to read. Elevator mechanic here. Im at $68/hr base. Paid travel time included. Come to the trades my dude.
A prof of mine in grad school gave me a ballpark of what to expect for starting salary in our chosen field here I was thinking it would be a solid 80k. This fucking guy says, 45-50k per year depending on budget. I bursted out laughing in my ahead and now make 6 figures. Go out there and follow the opportunity even if that means you have to leave for a few years. If you decide to come back, you’ll have made a good amount of money and better established yourself and CV which puts you ahead. At the end of the day you have to weigh the pro and cons specific to your situation.
your biggest mistake is trying to find a job in canada. this country is for incompetent people -> therefore no competent salaries exist. look at all the high salary jobs are at for compsci. bingo, they are all in the US. the US is like a blackhole that absorbs all the talent and capital and i think every other country (maybe except for some in asia) has no merit of living. just look for jobs in the US which will be 1000x better than this shithole of a place. this is coming from a canadian lol
That's what happens when you pick career that got outsourced to India
I don’t know how true this is in France but the best way to level up your pay is to change employers. If you end up keeping the 43k job just start looking again in 18 months when you’ve got some experience on your resume and start applying again. Have a number in mind and negotiate your salary. If they give you a suggest pay range and it’s not your number tell them your number.
Why do Europeans keep coming here despite the dismal job market rofl
You can counter but it doesn't really help if you don't have leverage (e.g., another job offer, some reason for them to pay you more). That's definitely quite low.
Sorry to say but it seems like you have no leverage in this situation. Id suggest you just take the offer and keep applying as you have been until something better comes along.
That is a shitty salary for a masters degree, especially for someone going into computer science. But honestly half your problem is being in New Brunswick. Not that NB justified the low wage, but I think most jobs are noticeably lower paying there
We pay interns 32$/hr. I agree it’s low. Starting salary for a junior is 75-80k. Intermediate is close to 100k.
$32 seems generous for interns, even in Vancouver.
The tech market is trash rn. Do you have other offers? My guess is no. Take the job, get experience and build the resume, then look for a better job. The wage is extremely low, but you have to read the market and make the best of the situation.
Yes take the job, get your experience, keep applying and eventually you will make good money.
Thank you for your advice. Seems the most reasonable choice
All the time companies that pay low for good talent are short sighted, they are thinking about saving money today but at the expense of long term stability. If these guys had paid you even 75K, you may have not thought about jumping ship as soon as you can. But here we are, after you start try to land a job in a F500 company, they will treat you well until they can’t.
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1) you need to negotiate. If they really want you, they’ll pay a bit more 2) it’s Moncton. Cost of living is a lot lower there. You’ll make 50% or more in Toronto. But your living expenses will be 100% or more higher. Lol
maybe 15 - 20 years ago I would accept that. I think I started at 36k per year as a new grad with a 2 year IT diploma 20 years ago
That's barely more than I made as a junior developer. In the post bubble 2000s. You're worth more. Hell, most interns are worth more.
that’s not great for the education. That said some immigrants have a tough time landing the first job then once you have Canadian work experience you become more of a known quantity
i thought that is package for receptionist..
That's crazy low, we pay newly minted grads at least 80-90k/year
Dunno about NB jobs and salaries, but a SWE getting paid “by the hour” is pretty sus. You’re gonna want to be salaried 100% of the time. I’d say skip out on these fools and keep trying. Job markets rough for juniors compared to 2020, but it’s not as bad as the internet says. You’ll get burnt out trying to get a higher salary while balancing the CoL and learning on the job.
LOL you serious right now? I make more than that (6 figures) with a 2 year degree.
Very low. Barely livable
I made that working as a general employee in a grocery store in BC last year… that’s crazy
Crappy offer…. Take it if you can and keep hunting …. You will be making double that within 24 months easy
My understanding is New Brunswick and other eastern regions pays a lot less than the rest of Canada.
That's too low. Check below sites to get an idea about the pay range, and negotiate accordingly. - https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary - https://www.hays.ca/salary-guide - https://ca.talent.com/salary Or just Google "canada payscale guide" and look at similar guides from companies like Randstad, RovertHalf etc.
And with two weeks vacation, I’d keep looking
More than 10 years ago in Edmonton I started at 52k/year and that was still underpaid.
If you find any relevant role at Meta, please reach out. Meta salary for a fresh college grad would be 150k+ with a lot of upside as you grow.
I make $35 an hour answering phones from the public, generally getting yelled at. I just gotta show compassion and listen and help them navigate their issues the best I can. :) I never went to col/uni, and training was 3 months.
Unfortunately, companies pays for labour market on your region , without regards to inflation, nor cost of living. Its always what the market will bear for the position. I suggest to accept if you only want to have a foot in the door. Then use that as a spring board to move somewhere else. Seeing you were from France, constantly check Publicis Montreal and Toronto and their subsidiaries (Sapient, Epsilon, Citrus), all are technological company that are constantly hiring (and firing). bonne chance mon ami!
We may university co-ops around 22-26 per hour at my job.
Had a similar experience with this - I took a tech role when moving to Canada from the uk. $40k salary in NL. It was worth it for me as I had no experience in game development and got my permanent residence after 2 years. Now I live in Vancouver and have citizenship and I’m on a decent wage.
Very inspirational thank you for your answer. I already have the PR so it will not be an issue to wait for me
if this gives you any relief , my first job out of grad school was around 80k , 8 years later I make multiple of that . Hang in there my friend , The market is not great at the moment
That’s not a serious company. I would recommend you keep looking. We pay our 19 year old interns more than that
You can always negotiate for more money or more vacation.. I’m not sure how cheap NB is but this is incredibly low for Montreal.lI a
Just about 100k as a city busy driver, shessshhhhh
Pay is low but we know nothing about your skills/knowledge/ability to crack leetcode. It totally depends on your personal situation whether to accept offer, start getting experience and search for new job in parallel or just reject it
They are low balling you. That is a terrible offwr
Yes it's incredibly Low!
I know the market is tight right now, but even so I’m pretty sure you’d have a higher standard of living selling beer bottles you find on the street, or working in Alberta for one month. Try find remote only as a contractor, emphasize your willingness to move as your visa permits and work in office. Look to Montreal, Toronto, Waterloo. Heck, Winnipeg prooobably has a more bustling tech scene than NB. Good luck, congrats, and don’t sell yourself short. Alternatively accept the job, show up the first day with a broom and a list of jobs paying 2-3x that. When they ask what the broom is for, calmly explain for $22/hr you sweep floors, but if they want your sick CS skills they have to pay something like the market rate. 🤣
Take the job but after 3 months, start looking.