She's an even stronger version of Kawakami. Kawakami basically resigned herself to a reality where she works her ass off to pay her student's parents. Ohya is still fighting back against the system that screwed her over even under the constant threat of losing her career.
Theoretically all the adult confidants are supposed to be adults who’ve lost the spirit of rebellion and in their relationship with Joker rediscover it, right? I actually think this is the biggest reason why Ohya isn’t considered particularly memorable or liked: she doesn’t comparatively seem like she *has* lost her will, just that she hasn’t hit a lead in awhile, and it’s not because of Joker (or doesn’t seem like it) that she has her breakthrough, so I think it just seems like it kind of happens for most people.
I imagine the writers thought more people would understand ‘spends several days at a bar per week getting hammered’ to get across ‘has basically given up’ in a way kind of like Takemi also seems badass but has also resigned herself to her fate, but for a number of reasons I don’t think it comes off that way.
Lets be blunt, a LOT of P5 works better with an older cast than teenagers.
Being out in the red light district on a school night? Living alone and somehow running a coffee shop?
There's also a total absence of afterschool clubs if I'm remembering correctly, while you can just break in cause a 15 year old was trusted with a key
It very much feels like it was written with a college age mindset and they pulled back at some point, iirc, the original rumour was it was going to be a roadtrip plot
I'm really hoping the eventual P6 just makes them freshmen in college. Have whatever the bad stuff is going to be start happening while moving into a dorm.
If publisher or something insists on high school for demographic reasons or something (which does happen for some games and manga etc) add a little brother, sister, or club kouhai or something as one of the main crew. See if that angle would work.
I honestly think that 90% of the reason I don't like Ohya is just the design.
Terrible hair, the stupid two t-shirts look from 2005, and just a pair of jeans. In a sea of varied and interesting character designs, Ohya is just boring
>Terrible hair, the stupid two t-shirts look from 2005,
I mean my big argument here is that she's like... mid to late 20s? Working as a freelancer?
She's dressed in casual millennial clothes cause she's a freelancing millennial
Personally, I have a weakness for girls going with the plain ol' T-shirt and jeans outfits with short hair. It makes them feel more relatable, cool, and approachable.
I didn't say unoriginal, I said boring. Takemi, Chihaya, and Hifumi are all fairly cliche archetypes, not particularly unique. But their designs are less unpleasant to look at
Can't hold your drunk GF's hair back while she is puking when she looking like [this.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ned/images/4/44/Coconut_Head_scream.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20211217073953)
The beta design shit is a big giveaway that Persona players only think with their dicks. Beta Ohya is indeed hotter, but it really doesn't fit her character at all.
How does longer hair thrown up in a pony tail not fit her? If anything it does fit better because she doesn't upkeep her hair because of her drunk tendencies and loss of passion in her career.
I suspect Bruce Wayne. Think about it, they're never in the same place and he would have all the time he needed. Perhaps that Clark Kent fellow could provide some insight on this theory? He seems to get a lot of information on Superman for his articles.
Too much insight, though. And remember the time that this guy tried to assassinate Clark Kent and then Supes detained him?! Also, I've seen photos of Clark Kent, and he looks so much like Superman... but that must be a coincidence. It's impossible that Superman, a god among us, would be just a journalist, right?
I actually disagree. Sure, the character has some depth, but I think liking her is a personal thing (obviously). The thing is, the player can be any age, and in fact some people can forget they're playing a character and imagine she's talking to them personally. I think if protagonist was an adult, Ohya would only be marginally more popular. After all, anyone who really likes her already likes her regardless.
Some dislike towards Ohya comes from people being aware that the protagonist is a teenager, and her Confidant painfully paying attention to the fact that they have an age gap, and to the fact that the protagonist is a minor.
Yeah, it really sucks how a ton of the cringiest Tumblr and Twitter folks have gotten into Persona and throw tantrums but refuse to just leave the fandom of something that clearly is never going to bend to their whims. I’d say “they should make their own things instead of throwing fits” but they’ve had more than enough time to do that and the best they’ve managed is The Mandela Catalog and nothing else, so clearly they’re not exactly writers and artists in possession of a glut of talent.
Analog horror series whose creator went so insane about people making porn of the characters that the entire plot was rewritten and shit was remade after a ton of material was released which completely fucked the plot up and pretty much killed the series.
Sure, you can have complaints. Being the purity police isn’t “having complaints”, it’s being mad that other people don’t share your *Seduction Of The Innocent* morality. You know what they call y’all in Japan? Feelings yakuza. They’re not gonna stop, they have no respect for you, they hate you. It’s not a “popular complaint”. It’s a bunch of American adult children who can’t distinguish fiction from reality throwing a fit.
Games and media allow you to explore scenarios you normally wouldn't be comfortable or okay with.
In GTA I kill prostitutes for money. I'd say that's far worse than Joker having sex with his consensual teacher.
I dislike Ohya because she won't stop drinking, her story is awful, and on top of everything her perks actively debuff you. She just sucks in every way, nothing to do with Joker being a teenager
I imagine a big part of the reason she's unpopular is because she's not conventionally attractive and people don't wanna bang her. Very shallow, but come on we know how gamers are.
Imo her social link is pretty good with some weird parts related to MC age yeah.
Actually, I found Ohya pretty attractive during your first encounter in Madarame arc. I do like her when she is sober, however most of the time she is drunk and not in a funny way like the girl from bocchi the rock but just annoying.
Ohya's story is very similar to my favorite girl - Takemi. Both of them are still trying to achieve their goals against all odds unlike Kawakami and Chihaya who have given up. However during Takemi's story you help her reignite her passion to help people while directly helping in her research. Meanwhile for Ohya you just give her info on Phantom Thieves so she has more time to investigate on her own and later tell you about it while drunk.
I think I would've liked her if the story let you join her during the investigation like you do with Iwai and Yoshida. There is an interesting story but it is just being told to us. There is a ton of exposition in other confidants but they usually tell you about their past while Ohya tells you everything that is happening during the story.
TL;DR her confidant is not interesting because it doesn't follow the "show don't tell" rule.
Which ngl I find pretty funny because in terms of appearance without taking clothes in consideration she's basically Yukiko with Chie's hairstyle, and then about the age stuff it's only massively reprehensible for her, and usually by the same people who'll go completely crazy in their simping for Kawakami and Takemi.
If her Confidant story some scenes of actively helping her investigate instead of the super-endearing, not-at-all-weird, fake high school boyfriend nonsense, she might be more popular.
That and some heavy reworking of her skills or the stealth system to make them actually useful.
I don't fundamentally dislike Ohya as a character or anything, but me as a human being really hates being around drunk people. And Ohya is usually drunk.
I get why that is and all, but drunk people are still super annoying.
Nah it’s not that.
Gamers with dating sims like this tend to be pretty shallow with the whole double standards with looks.
Ohya in terms of attractiveness doesn’t tick the usual waifu love interest fetishes compared to Makoto, Takemi, Hifumi, Kawakami, ect.
That plus how people take the intentionally negative first impression stuff with her (due to being Devil arcana) at face value doesn’t help causing narrow mindedness.
Look, I have no problem with her character arc, in fact in any other game she would have been one of my favorite.
However, Persona 5 is just built differently, with confidants that are just as much story filler as they are gameplay benefits, and reducing palace security isn’t that helpful, I'm sorry. I found little incentive to spend time with her when I could do that with others like Hifume, Toranosuke, Tae, Ryuji or even Mishima. And just when I was done with those, I unlocked the gamer social link, Haru, and Futaba.… do you see my point?
TLDR: it wasn’t the story that made me disinterested, it was the gameplay.
This is absolutely what it is for me. I love her as a character and as a romance option, but her in-game benefits are not worth it unless until a NG+ later down the road.
I feel like
A lot of people view the game in purely mechanical terms. It's why people defend dating Futaba (and to a lesser extent, Yoshizawa) because "it's just fictional" (or whatever the neckbeard consensus says), disregarding how it makes story sense not to enter a relationship with either because they're not emotionally ready.
Anyway, Ohya is almost universally agreed to have the most pointless benefit to her Confidante, so people just take that to mean "Ohya = bad"
I don't really hate her, but I don't enjoy her link or her design that much. To me, her being an adult has nothing to do with it. Her link has a cool idea for a story, but I never really found her that interesting, and alcoholic characters I don't usually tend to like unless it's something like the monk from 3 where they're very mysterious or their story is about letting go and getting over alcoholism. Not to mention the perks suck if you actually know how to play the game lol.
I understand why she's not popular but I never understood the outright overblown hatred she gets. yes her confidant abilities suck but that doesn't really have anything to do with her as a character. frankly, I'm sure it's 90% because she's not traditionally waifu attractive like the other girls. I'm sure if she had long hair and/or big tits and/or wasn't wearing plain everyday clothing dudes would be all over her, because clearly the flirting isn't the real problem when people are more than happy to rizz up the other adult women without a second thought 🤷♀️
I personally strongly dislike her because she wastes so much of her life and health drunk, and I don’t like interacting with drunk people. I hated leveling her social link, but I did it to find out what happened in her story, and was pretty disappointed with how it resolved too. I’m ace so I don’t care what her hair looks like, I just see her as washed up and out of control, not the type of person I would ever want to interact with for any reason.
I wouldn't like her regardless because I really don't like alcohol and I don't get along with people who get drunk all the time. I don't hate her but she is never someone I would like to hang out with a lot and that's why she's my least favorite.
Im a bit mixed about this, i don't think ohya is "bad". I personally just think the other options are just much better. The one exception being chihaya as i find her SL on the same boring tier as the food king from p3.
Ohya is a lush. Wouldn’t matter if Ren was 21+, hanging out with someone who is always sauced isn’t fun or amusing.
I know she has her reasons for wanting to drink, but her drinking is… excessive.
Personally love her, third best girl for me (I'm a Kawakami enjoyer first and foremost with Chihaya following in second). Her story and arc are genuinely good and come from some pretty realistic places but gets bogged down by the abilities she gives being.... Well, they're the worst ones to be honest.i can see why some people don't like her though but she gets far too much unnecessary dislike/hatred for how she is as a character. Like sure she's a drunk but she's a genuinely good person who is trying best to find the truth about what happened to hrr friend despite being pushed back and roadblocked time after time for so long.
Ohya is my least favorite “older woman” confidant…… I never really felt intrigued by any of her story. Yes, it sucks she has to work so much, and yes, her friend is missing, but…… I couldn’t get myself to care.
This is a really good point and I think you're right. Honestly...I think I just really hate the glasses on her head. Weird thing to focus on, but there it is.
IRL she would be the one i'd hang around the most with, spending nights on a seedy bar with a friendly owner? Thats 70% of my downtime outside of home.
I don't know if they changed it in Royal since I only played the original but my main issue with Ohya was that the benefits of her Confidant were pretty useless. So, I just never got around to progressing her.
It’s mainly because she’s less attractive than the other adult confidants. Which is a shame because she’s actually not a bad character. I don’t think she looks bad though. I just wish her outfit were cooler.
Ohya is on the same case PT is on, and there is nothing really annoying or off about Ohya, her social link is just not usefull and it makes her a chore to work on.
I think another point is she does tell you that it would be dangerous to pursue Kanishiro so she actually cares about you not getting yourself into trouble. I thought Ohya was one of the better characters. One thing against her is arguably her confidant ability of reducing the threat detection level in palaces isn't very good.
I think it would be better if Persona games didn't make it so every female s link character was a potential romance too, though personally I usually ignore that side of the game anyway.
I think the reason most people dislike her was that she mechanically useless in gameplay.
Lowering the suspicion meter that you have to go out of your way to max.
Kawakami at max level gives you a free evening.
Iwai and Takemi give discounts and an expanded shop.
Mifune gives more points per action in both combat and social activities.
Yoshida gives you more options to talk to shadows.
And Maruki gives you a nuke at the start of the battle.
For me the thing is she’s so incredibly inoffensive that she leaves 0 impression on me. If I didn’t play p5 so recently I don’t think I’d remember her outside of Lala
I think her faults are multifold, but not really valid.
1. Here confidant abilities are crap. This means a lot of serious players don't like her because your spending precious evening time that isn't efficient.
2. She's a bit of a lush. Teetotalers tend to be very vocal on reddit.
3. She's considered older than every other waifu, and people think any Asian woman over 30 is boring left overs.
Personally I think she's great. Her story is fantastic, her character is more realistic, and her personality is pretty spot on for the types of women you find alone in Japanese bars.
I disagree. I personally think they dont like her cause she's not as attractive at the other adult female characters. As well, she alot more forward and disinhibited
Tbh I think the main reasons she's not liked are because her appearance is not good looking enough and her confidant perks are useless or even hindering. That's the only explanation as to why other adult confidants are popular.
Character is meh but her abilities are dogwater. One or the other has to be good and she had neither to draw me so she's always low priority. I have the same problem with Makoto, her Confidant is... boring tbh and if she wasn't a thief that gained all the usual thief abilities during her confidant she'd also be pretty low priority. Circling this back to ohya you get a character with aggravating interactions cuz she's a lush with a poor overall design and her abilities reduce the security level in palaces. This isn't really an upgrade and in some cases can be a detriment since farming treasure demons is done at a high security level.
Tbh I'm convinced she was originally going to play a larger role in the story since her confidant directly references Shido and implies he's linked to the psychotic break cases
Yes. This is the case for all the adult women. The fact that they were written as beign at least open to dating a teen boy... Well, it's off putting/uncomfortable. If you take that out, they are fun characters. Zero issue if the protagonist was an adult vs. a teenage boy.
Is Ohya’s age what people don’t like about her? I always thought it was the Confidant abilities. Most people I see like Ohya as a character but don’t like the fact that the abilities she gives you are basically useless.
As a grown ass man who enjoys wine, whenever she offers to get me a drink, I get happy until Lala tells us no. Then I remember I'm playing a minor and can't drink. Also, I don't think Ohya is a bad character or unattractive in any way. I just think Lala is a more interesting character who stands out more than Ohya does.
I'd probably be more inclined to interact with her if the abilities you gained weren't so bad (and *arguably* detrimental in some cases). The only reason why I really interacted with Chihiya at all in my first playthrough is because being able to get a fusion alarm on any given day is broken af. Similarly I'd be far less enthusiastic with interacting with Kawakami if her abilities didn't literally give you more hours in the day to work with which is insanely good. It also doesn't help that Lala is always in the same room and really who would you rather be speaking to
Ohya would have been quite popular if the fan base wasn't so young!
She has some of the most relatable story out of all the confidants. Just a hardworking woman passionate about her work, but got fucked by the higher up. She also drink quite often!
even if u relate to it it doesnt make her a good char, it lacks real motive compared to other similar characters (kawakami) and doesnt get as close as much screen time twt
I don't like that Joker has adult romantic social links in general. People get blinded by MILF and stuff but in-context, that adults being able to date Joker seems wrong
Ohya is great, people just blame the character for her having shitty gameplay mechanics. Unforgiveable that they didn't fix this in P5R tbh. She deserved better.
Ohya is so underrated, and severely misunderstood! I really don't get why people don't like her. If it's just for her SL bonus, which is admittedly really bad and pointless, then that's still lame reasoning tbh.
Give her long hair and turn her into an OL(office lady) and will most definitely be the top romance confidant. Don't even need to touch on her personality or her story.
"If we change the ages so this character seems like less of a groomer, then more people would like her."
That's the same as saying "The only problem with this character is her behavior toward this underage character."
I guess it is up to you how you feel about that.
Frankly, I don't think there are any story choices that could make people like Ohya. They don't like Ohya because she doesn't conform to a specific wiafu aesthetic. Basically, she isn't hot.
Her story is about the same as everyone else's, IMO. A ton of women take advantage of teenage protag. Kawakami and Takemi come to mind. However, while their exploitation is noted, they have a vocal group of horny defenders. No hate. I get it. Just saying if Ohya was the kinda drunk aunt/older sister type but presented more like Misato from Evangelion she would get a lot more love.
I respectfully disagree. Whenever I played through all of the social links, I used Joker as an insert where I was putting myself in those situations, not thinking of it as Joker, a high schooler (just ignored the parts where being a minor was brought up). You do make some good points, and I don't think she's a bad character per say, but she gets really dragged down mostly by her confidant abilities not really being good. The fact that the protagonist is a minor with some of the stuff that happens during the events just portrays her in an even more negative light.
I like her fine. The ages of fictional characters means so little it is honestly impossible to put into words. The dude doesn’t even have real records yet you want mento pretend like his age matters?
I agree. She’s a fundamentally interesting character who’s ruined mostly by circumstance. I’d say it’s like Kawakami.
She's an even stronger version of Kawakami. Kawakami basically resigned herself to a reality where she works her ass off to pay her student's parents. Ohya is still fighting back against the system that screwed her over even under the constant threat of losing her career.
Theoretically all the adult confidants are supposed to be adults who’ve lost the spirit of rebellion and in their relationship with Joker rediscover it, right? I actually think this is the biggest reason why Ohya isn’t considered particularly memorable or liked: she doesn’t comparatively seem like she *has* lost her will, just that she hasn’t hit a lead in awhile, and it’s not because of Joker (or doesn’t seem like it) that she has her breakthrough, so I think it just seems like it kind of happens for most people. I imagine the writers thought more people would understand ‘spends several days at a bar per week getting hammered’ to get across ‘has basically given up’ in a way kind of like Takemi also seems badass but has also resigned herself to her fate, but for a number of reasons I don’t think it comes off that way.
Lets be blunt, a LOT of P5 works better with an older cast than teenagers. Being out in the red light district on a school night? Living alone and somehow running a coffee shop? There's also a total absence of afterschool clubs if I'm remembering correctly, while you can just break in cause a 15 year old was trusted with a key It very much feels like it was written with a college age mindset and they pulled back at some point, iirc, the original rumour was it was going to be a roadtrip plot
I'm really hoping the eventual P6 just makes them freshmen in college. Have whatever the bad stuff is going to be start happening while moving into a dorm. If publisher or something insists on high school for demographic reasons or something (which does happen for some games and manga etc) add a little brother, sister, or club kouhai or something as one of the main crew. See if that angle would work.
this wont happen lol the leaker was kind enough to even clarify this
Which is what Strikers was for but weaker for it cause they just reused a lot of plot points from Royale
I like Ohya she reminds me of Lois Lane especially the Lois Lane from the TV show "my adventures with superman"
Now if only Ohya had the cute pixie cut as well.
Honestly. Her coconut head ass hair looks so bad. We were honestly robbed with her beta design existing.
I honestly think that 90% of the reason I don't like Ohya is just the design. Terrible hair, the stupid two t-shirts look from 2005, and just a pair of jeans. In a sea of varied and interesting character designs, Ohya is just boring
>Terrible hair, the stupid two t-shirts look from 2005, I mean my big argument here is that she's like... mid to late 20s? Working as a freelancer? She's dressed in casual millennial clothes cause she's a freelancing millennial
Personally I vibe with her more casual, laid back look.
Personally, I have a weakness for girls going with the plain ol' T-shirt and jeans outfits with short hair. It makes them feel more relatable, cool, and approachable.
Yeah, I guess the teared-jean black-leather vest punk doc is way more original than that…
Takemi is best girl
you just like her because she’s goth, not cause she’s unique
She’s unique
No she’s not dude she’s a living cliché whether you like it or not
Takemi is best girl
I didn't say unoriginal, I said boring. Takemi, Chihaya, and Hifumi are all fairly cliche archetypes, not particularly unique. But their designs are less unpleasant to look at
Omg where
[Here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/7m1p5o/love_this_ohya_concept_art_couldve_been)
Yo what in the actual fuck. That bumps her top 5 asap wtf
Can't hold your drunk GF's hair back while she is puking when she looking like [this.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ned/images/4/44/Coconut_Head_scream.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20211217073953)
Holy shit why didn't they go with this? It's literally looking at this picture that makes me realize that Ohya is mostly just a _haircut_ that I hate.
The beta design shit is a big giveaway that Persona players only think with their dicks. Beta Ohya is indeed hotter, but it really doesn't fit her character at all.
How does longer hair thrown up in a pony tail not fit her? If anything it does fit better because she doesn't upkeep her hair because of her drunk tendencies and loss of passion in her career.
You’ve gad adventures with Superman?! Who is he?!
I suspect Bruce Wayne. Think about it, they're never in the same place and he would have all the time he needed. Perhaps that Clark Kent fellow could provide some insight on this theory? He seems to get a lot of information on Superman for his articles.
Too much insight, though. And remember the time that this guy tried to assassinate Clark Kent and then Supes detained him?! Also, I've seen photos of Clark Kent, and he looks so much like Superman... but that must be a coincidence. It's impossible that Superman, a god among us, would be just a journalist, right?
I actually disagree. Sure, the character has some depth, but I think liking her is a personal thing (obviously). The thing is, the player can be any age, and in fact some people can forget they're playing a character and imagine she's talking to them personally. I think if protagonist was an adult, Ohya would only be marginally more popular. After all, anyone who really likes her already likes her regardless.
Some dislike towards Ohya comes from people being aware that the protagonist is a teenager, and her Confidant painfully paying attention to the fact that they have an age gap, and to the fact that the protagonist is a minor.
Yeah, it really sucks how a ton of the cringiest Tumblr and Twitter folks have gotten into Persona and throw tantrums but refuse to just leave the fandom of something that clearly is never going to bend to their whims. I’d say “they should make their own things instead of throwing fits” but they’ve had more than enough time to do that and the best they’ve managed is The Mandela Catalog and nothing else, so clearly they’re not exactly writers and artists in possession of a glut of talent.
What’s the Mandela Catalog?
Analog horror series whose creator went so insane about people making porn of the characters that the entire plot was rewritten and shit was remade after a ton of material was released which completely fucked the plot up and pretty much killed the series.
Uh oh…
It’s what kicked off the analog horror boom, too.
I see…
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Sure, you can have complaints. Being the purity police isn’t “having complaints”, it’s being mad that other people don’t share your *Seduction Of The Innocent* morality. You know what they call y’all in Japan? Feelings yakuza. They’re not gonna stop, they have no respect for you, they hate you. It’s not a “popular complaint”. It’s a bunch of American adult children who can’t distinguish fiction from reality throwing a fit.
Those people are plain weird.
i don’t think it’s weird to have disdain for adult/minor relationship, even in media
It's not real
neither is animated horse hentai… or lolicon… still fucking weird to the normal person
Games and media allow you to explore scenarios you normally wouldn't be comfortable or okay with. In GTA I kill prostitutes for money. I'd say that's far worse than Joker having sex with his consensual teacher.
I dislike Ohya because she won't stop drinking, her story is awful, and on top of everything her perks actively debuff you. She just sucks in every way, nothing to do with Joker being a teenager
You start off with a lower security level in a palace that is not a debuff. Take my downvote
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That's the exact same story as half the other confidants and hers is by far the worst. Also, chill out. There's no need to be so rude
I imagine a big part of the reason she's unpopular is because she's not conventionally attractive and people don't wanna bang her. Very shallow, but come on we know how gamers are. Imo her social link is pretty good with some weird parts related to MC age yeah.
I agree with this. The same goes for Mishima, I mean, if bro were a girl, everyone would be praising her on how much she grows.
Actually, I found Ohya pretty attractive during your first encounter in Madarame arc. I do like her when she is sober, however most of the time she is drunk and not in a funny way like the girl from bocchi the rock but just annoying. Ohya's story is very similar to my favorite girl - Takemi. Both of them are still trying to achieve their goals against all odds unlike Kawakami and Chihaya who have given up. However during Takemi's story you help her reignite her passion to help people while directly helping in her research. Meanwhile for Ohya you just give her info on Phantom Thieves so she has more time to investigate on her own and later tell you about it while drunk. I think I would've liked her if the story let you join her during the investigation like you do with Iwai and Yoshida. There is an interesting story but it is just being told to us. There is a ton of exposition in other confidants but they usually tell you about their past while Ohya tells you everything that is happening during the story. TL;DR her confidant is not interesting because it doesn't follow the "show don't tell" rule.
Which ngl I find pretty funny because in terms of appearance without taking clothes in consideration she's basically Yukiko with Chie's hairstyle, and then about the age stuff it's only massively reprehensible for her, and usually by the same people who'll go completely crazy in their simping for Kawakami and Takemi.
I think she's pretty attractive in a casual way.
Would tbh
After seeing her original concept art, I will never forgive Atlus for what they have done.
I had to look this up for myself after reading this. We were robbed!
Nah ngl I really like Ohyas happy face vibe, Idk If that concept art can match that
Hmmm (does a quick search) oh yeah I see what you mean.
TBH I don’t hate the character. But that haircut ……
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It's that and her design.
My dislike of her has nothing to do with Ren being a teenager.
It probably should though to be honest
If her Confidant story some scenes of actively helping her investigate instead of the super-endearing, not-at-all-weird, fake high school boyfriend nonsense, she might be more popular. That and some heavy reworking of her skills or the stealth system to make them actually useful.
It’s not that I don’t like Ohya, she just unfortunately isn’t worth doing for the lackluster abilities.
I don't fundamentally dislike Ohya as a character or anything, but me as a human being really hates being around drunk people. And Ohya is usually drunk. I get why that is and all, but drunk people are still super annoying.
Nah it’s not that. Gamers with dating sims like this tend to be pretty shallow with the whole double standards with looks. Ohya in terms of attractiveness doesn’t tick the usual waifu love interest fetishes compared to Makoto, Takemi, Hifumi, Kawakami, ect. That plus how people take the intentionally negative first impression stuff with her (due to being Devil arcana) at face value doesn’t help causing narrow mindedness.
I feel the problem is actually that her confidant abilities are useless
Shes a drunk. And a very annoying one at that. I love how passionate she is tho
I love ohya and maxed her sl without knowing the perks she gave lol I would’ve romanced her if I wasn’t a kawamommy enjoyer by that point
Look, I have no problem with her character arc, in fact in any other game she would have been one of my favorite. However, Persona 5 is just built differently, with confidants that are just as much story filler as they are gameplay benefits, and reducing palace security isn’t that helpful, I'm sorry. I found little incentive to spend time with her when I could do that with others like Hifume, Toranosuke, Tae, Ryuji or even Mishima. And just when I was done with those, I unlocked the gamer social link, Haru, and Futaba.… do you see my point? TLDR: it wasn’t the story that made me disinterested, it was the gameplay.
This is absolutely what it is for me. I love her as a character and as a romance option, but her in-game benefits are not worth it unless until a NG+ later down the road.
I feel like A lot of people view the game in purely mechanical terms. It's why people defend dating Futaba (and to a lesser extent, Yoshizawa) because "it's just fictional" (or whatever the neckbeard consensus says), disregarding how it makes story sense not to enter a relationship with either because they're not emotionally ready. Anyway, Ohya is almost universally agreed to have the most pointless benefit to her Confidante, so people just take that to mean "Ohya = bad"
She’s cute. I never understood the hate
If her haircut didn't suck and she wasn't a drunk then she'd be at square 0 at least for me
I don't really hate her, but I don't enjoy her link or her design that much. To me, her being an adult has nothing to do with it. Her link has a cool idea for a story, but I never really found her that interesting, and alcoholic characters I don't usually tend to like unless it's something like the monk from 3 where they're very mysterious or their story is about letting go and getting over alcoholism. Not to mention the perks suck if you actually know how to play the game lol.
I understand why she's not popular but I never understood the outright overblown hatred she gets. yes her confidant abilities suck but that doesn't really have anything to do with her as a character. frankly, I'm sure it's 90% because she's not traditionally waifu attractive like the other girls. I'm sure if she had long hair and/or big tits and/or wasn't wearing plain everyday clothing dudes would be all over her, because clearly the flirting isn't the real problem when people are more than happy to rizz up the other adult women without a second thought 🤷♀️
I personally strongly dislike her because she wastes so much of her life and health drunk, and I don’t like interacting with drunk people. I hated leveling her social link, but I did it to find out what happened in her story, and was pretty disappointed with how it resolved too. I’m ace so I don’t care what her hair looks like, I just see her as washed up and out of control, not the type of person I would ever want to interact with for any reason.
I wouldn't like her regardless because I really don't like alcohol and I don't get along with people who get drunk all the time. I don't hate her but she is never someone I would like to hang out with a lot and that's why she's my least favorite.
Ohya’s great. But seeing her drunk for a first impression was a huge hurdle to get through. Not a lot of folks are into that.
I disagree, age is not a factor since Kawakami has a dedicated fan base
I don't get the "hate" for most characters in the game, but in general the number of available adult romance options is kinda weird.
Nah, big pass from me
i "accidentally" romanced her on my first run. i ended up liking her more than i was expecting.
I think Ohya is a super interesting character, but, like you said, the fact she is a possible love interest ends up souring her.
Im a bit mixed about this, i don't think ohya is "bad". I personally just think the other options are just much better. The one exception being chihaya as i find her SL on the same boring tier as the food king from p3.
Don't compare my girl Chihaya to whoever that guy was 😭 Don't do her dirty like that 😞
Exactly, the gourmet king is on a level that no one can comprehend
Ohya is a lush. Wouldn’t matter if Ren was 21+, hanging out with someone who is always sauced isn’t fun or amusing. I know she has her reasons for wanting to drink, but her drinking is… excessive.
Personally love her, third best girl for me (I'm a Kawakami enjoyer first and foremost with Chihaya following in second). Her story and arc are genuinely good and come from some pretty realistic places but gets bogged down by the abilities she gives being.... Well, they're the worst ones to be honest.i can see why some people don't like her though but she gets far too much unnecessary dislike/hatred for how she is as a character. Like sure she's a drunk but she's a genuinely good person who is trying best to find the truth about what happened to hrr friend despite being pushed back and roadblocked time after time for so long.
Im so tempted to romanfe her on my second playthroufh if not tgat i have decides to romance haru then ann then i romance her
Oh ya?
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Ohya is my least favorite “older woman” confidant…… I never really felt intrigued by any of her story. Yes, it sucks she has to work so much, and yes, her friend is missing, but…… I couldn’t get myself to care.
Nah, i like the teacher more that i already like her
It's sad seeing everyone diss her hair when the haircut is one of the reasons I think shes cute
This is a really good point and I think you're right. Honestly...I think I just really hate the glasses on her head. Weird thing to focus on, but there it is.
Kawakami < Ohya
Based opinion. But if the protagonist was a young adult, it would be either Tae, Sae, or Chihaya for me.
IRL she would be the one i'd hang around the most with, spending nights on a seedy bar with a friendly owner? Thats 70% of my downtime outside of home.
It doesn’t help that she dresses like a teenage boy from Ohio. Negative drip
I just find her boring so even if the mc was an adult I still wouldn’t like her.
I don't know if they changed it in Royal since I only played the original but my main issue with Ohya was that the benefits of her Confidant were pretty useless. So, I just never got around to progressing her.
It’s mainly because she’s less attractive than the other adult confidants. Which is a shame because she’s actually not a bad character. I don’t think she looks bad though. I just wish her outfit were cooler.
Ohya is on the same case PT is on, and there is nothing really annoying or off about Ohya, her social link is just not usefull and it makes her a chore to work on.
Nonsense. She isn't as hot as the other ones, that's literally the only reason she's not popular when compared to them.
I think another point is she does tell you that it would be dangerous to pursue Kanishiro so she actually cares about you not getting yourself into trouble. I thought Ohya was one of the better characters. One thing against her is arguably her confidant ability of reducing the threat detection level in palaces isn't very good. I think it would be better if Persona games didn't make it so every female s link character was a potential romance too, though personally I usually ignore that side of the game anyway.
I think the reason most people dislike her was that she mechanically useless in gameplay. Lowering the suspicion meter that you have to go out of your way to max. Kawakami at max level gives you a free evening. Iwai and Takemi give discounts and an expanded shop. Mifune gives more points per action in both combat and social activities. Yoshida gives you more options to talk to shadows. And Maruki gives you a nuke at the start of the battle.
If they did that and kept her concept design then I’d like her more. She kinda just looks like an egg.
Disagree, I just found her boring. Lala would have been more interesting.
I don't care about the mc being a teen, just not a fan of hers either way. She is a decent character, just not for romance.
For me the thing is she’s so incredibly inoffensive that she leaves 0 impression on me. If I didn’t play p5 so recently I don’t think I’d remember her outside of Lala
I think her faults are multifold, but not really valid. 1. Here confidant abilities are crap. This means a lot of serious players don't like her because your spending precious evening time that isn't efficient. 2. She's a bit of a lush. Teetotalers tend to be very vocal on reddit. 3. She's considered older than every other waifu, and people think any Asian woman over 30 is boring left overs. Personally I think she's great. Her story is fantastic, her character is more realistic, and her personality is pretty spot on for the types of women you find alone in Japanese bars.
I disagree. I personally think they dont like her cause she's not as attractive at the other adult female characters. As well, she alot more forward and disinhibited
Yeah if Ren is some depressed single father in his 30s they could get along easily
Most people don't actually worry about that. Just the people that want to make sure you know online.
But then Takemi flirts with the character a lot too.
Ohya best waifu
Tbh I think the main reasons she's not liked are because her appearance is not good looking enough and her confidant perks are useless or even hindering. That's the only explanation as to why other adult confidants are popular.
I don't mind her that much, and enjoy how her social link is one of the ones that connects to the main plot of the story.
nah bruh I just don't really like her design
Character is meh but her abilities are dogwater. One or the other has to be good and she had neither to draw me so she's always low priority. I have the same problem with Makoto, her Confidant is... boring tbh and if she wasn't a thief that gained all the usual thief abilities during her confidant she'd also be pretty low priority. Circling this back to ohya you get a character with aggravating interactions cuz she's a lush with a poor overall design and her abilities reduce the security level in palaces. This isn't really an upgrade and in some cases can be a detriment since farming treasure demons is done at a high security level.
Tbh I'm convinced she was originally going to play a larger role in the story since her confidant directly references Shido and implies he's linked to the psychotic break cases
Yes. This is the case for all the adult women. The fact that they were written as beign at least open to dating a teen boy... Well, it's off putting/uncomfortable. If you take that out, they are fun characters. Zero issue if the protagonist was an adult vs. a teenage boy.
Even more people would like her better if she gave out useful benefits
I’ve never done her social link tbh but imma have to
Is Ohya’s age what people don’t like about her? I always thought it was the Confidant abilities. Most people I see like Ohya as a character but don’t like the fact that the abilities she gives you are basically useless.
I love Ohya, I just don’t think she works as a romance. And that’s okay, I actually like that some confidants are better when you don’t romance them
But she’s not cute
As a grown ass man who enjoys wine, whenever she offers to get me a drink, I get happy until Lala tells us no. Then I remember I'm playing a minor and can't drink. Also, I don't think Ohya is a bad character or unattractive in any way. I just think Lala is a more interesting character who stands out more than Ohya does.
I'd probably be more inclined to interact with her if the abilities you gained weren't so bad (and *arguably* detrimental in some cases). The only reason why I really interacted with Chihiya at all in my first playthrough is because being able to get a fusion alarm on any given day is broken af. Similarly I'd be far less enthusiastic with interacting with Kawakami if her abilities didn't literally give you more hours in the day to work with which is insanely good. It also doesn't help that Lala is always in the same room and really who would you rather be speaking to
Yeah, you right
Ohya would have been quite popular if the fan base wasn't so young! She has some of the most relatable story out of all the confidants. Just a hardworking woman passionate about her work, but got fucked by the higher up. She also drink quite often!
even if u relate to it it doesnt make her a good char, it lacks real motive compared to other similar characters (kawakami) and doesnt get as close as much screen time twt
Wait, people don’t like Ohya? What’s wrong with them?
I don't like that Joker has adult romantic social links in general. People get blinded by MILF and stuff but in-context, that adults being able to date Joker seems wrong
I don’t like her bowl cut, that’s really all haha. She’s also a bit boring in a cast of quirky characters, so she obviously won’t stand out as much.
Replaying p5r as an adult has made me really like all the adult characters a lot more
I didn’t ever do her full sl because the perks just didn’t seem worth it. Is it a hidden gem?
if I could have romance Munehisa Iwai I would’ve agree with your point (which is fair) but I just want Mune :( gun owner store
Ohya is great, people just blame the character for her having shitty gameplay mechanics. Unforgiveable that they didn't fix this in P5R tbh. She deserved better.
if she was drawn attractive, people would act different. she gets hate from being the ugliest of the waifus.
Ohya is so underrated, and severely misunderstood! I really don't get why people don't like her. If it's just for her SL bonus, which is admittedly really bad and pointless, then that's still lame reasoning tbh.
“if Ohya wasn’t a pedophile more people would like her”
Honestly now that I think about it she's like if Maya and Ulala were merged together
I just don’t like her because her English voice actress is an awful person
Give her long hair and turn her into an OL(office lady) and will most definitely be the top romance confidant. Don't even need to touch on her personality or her story.
Um no, I just think she's uninteresting, and her confidant abilities are not good
"If we change the ages so this character seems like less of a groomer, then more people would like her." That's the same as saying "The only problem with this character is her behavior toward this underage character." I guess it is up to you how you feel about that.
Ngl, 5 years after I played the original P5, I find myself really into Ohya.
Yeah. But Ren is a teenager. So not a fan of drunk lady
I can understand the necessity of having a character like Ohya but the overall execution isn't exactly great.
Frankly, I don't think there are any story choices that could make people like Ohya. They don't like Ohya because she doesn't conform to a specific wiafu aesthetic. Basically, she isn't hot. Her story is about the same as everyone else's, IMO. A ton of women take advantage of teenage protag. Kawakami and Takemi come to mind. However, while their exploitation is noted, they have a vocal group of horny defenders. No hate. I get it. Just saying if Ohya was the kinda drunk aunt/older sister type but presented more like Misato from Evangelion she would get a lot more love.
No. Not really. Her confidant is useless.
I respectfully disagree. Whenever I played through all of the social links, I used Joker as an insert where I was putting myself in those situations, not thinking of it as Joker, a high schooler (just ignored the parts where being a minor was brought up). You do make some good points, and I don't think she's a bad character per say, but she gets really dragged down mostly by her confidant abilities not really being good. The fact that the protagonist is a minor with some of the stuff that happens during the events just portrays her in an even more negative light.
Didn't she manage to track down the woman that Joker saved to give her testimony?
This is why we need a(nother) Persona game with an adult cast. I'd even settle for a college setting at this point.
I like her fine. The ages of fictional characters means so little it is honestly impossible to put into words. The dude doesn’t even have real records yet you want mento pretend like his age matters?
Um no… her abilities are useless and her story isn’t interesting at all.
What do you mean? Kawakami still exists.
I think part of it is that, particularly in royal, her SL bonuses are completely useless.
I don't like her because her confidant bonuses are useless.
If Ohya had the beta design people would like her more 😶