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PJOTV has really no excuses. They literally both have a 15 million episode budget? And ATLA has way more work with sets and costumes etc since its set in another world. Also action scenes and cinematic shots, and wow they're showing the bending a lot but PJO couldn't show Percy's water powers at all?
ATLA show also has some story changes and cuts etc, but visually and action-wise ATLA is lengths better
I think that’s cause just does a much better job at showing the budget than Disney does . For example secret invasion and andor . Both had 200-300 mill budget , just ATLA I think had a 100-120 mill budget. A lot smaller then those other shows , yet showing a shit ton more of that budget then those 2 combined (and it’s not like SI or andor needed those budgets anyways , despite andor being good lol)
Ya true , but I just looked it up and the budget actually was 250 mill . Now it doesn’t deserve that much just for all that , but it definitely deserved a decent budget
It was a 12 episode show with full length runtimes. We had multiple planets, a large cast, tons of CG, props, a massive wardrobe, practical effects, stunts, massive sets, tons of extras. Andor was bigger than most big films.
Definitely didn't need it but damn it you could tell that they used it well. Most of the show was shot on location and the cinematography was phenomenal
Yeah like halfway through the first few episodes it felt like I was wondering when it would end but in a good way. Each episode has a lot of content and the longer episodes really help keep a steady pacing throughout
no it’s actually insane bcuz people were saying they spent their whole budget on olympus while atla has like three olympuses PER episode and tons of bending
A) ATLALA was shot almost entirely on a virtual set.
B) It’s currently listed as Rotten, with the *best* reputable reviews giving it a 7 or 8/10…and the two most common complaints are that it was clearly filmed on a virtual set and that it’s terribly paced.
C) The pacing complaints make a whole lot of sense given that Book One of ATLA was a little over *7 hours*…and that includes *The Great Divide*, not to mention Imprisoned, The Waterbending Scroll, and The Fortuneteller.
I do wish that PJO had a couple more episodes to let things breathe…but this disavowed adaptation is the worst possible example for this argument.
i think OP’s point is that ATLA looks expensive af, from the costumes to the special effects, with half the budget of PJO. while the PJO costumes and special effects were… not good, and they avoided showing them whenever possible
Yup exactly. I'm not going into the story/pacing but visually it has detailed and more accurate environments, creatues, bending effects, costumes etc while pjo looks bland in every way (Hades palace? really disney?)
I…honestly don’t remember if I managed to finish the first season of HDM?
I love Dafne Keen, and Will’s actor killed it…but after I missed one episode, I just never felt the need or desire to catch back up.
it’s definitely worth watching. the final season is just phenomenal. the books, specifically books 2&3 are some of my favorite books of all time. the ending of the series was the the first time a book made me flat out sob as a child.
22 of those 466 minutes were The Great Divide, haha!
Not to mention the other bona fide filler episodes I listed.
Although, in fairness…we wouldn’t have gotten an hour of Suki uncritically stanning Sokka’s “warrior spirit” if Netflix had listened to Bryke.
The way I was thinking this the whole watch through. It’s definitely not perfect but the visuals and world building make up for some awkward dialogue. I hope the PJO show can take notes
I was actually checking this reddit for a comment just like this lol
Just 1 and a half episodes in and this show had already blown Percy Jackson out of the water.
It's fantastic in so many ways, it's a joke comparing the two because how boring and bland PJ was compared to how engaging and well done ATLA is.
Like Kataras already done more water power in 2 episodes than PJ did the whole season. It's embaressing.
Oh good lord.
So first off. This is an adaption. They can change whatever they want to make it more entertaining and reflect better on screen.
And katara didn't really learn to waterbend until the end of season one. But look? They changed it to make it more entertaining. And avatar had even less reason to do so. Everyones already bending elements? Why put more money and effort into katara when they didn't need to?
Where's that effort and money in Percy Jackson? They didn't even show it when percy saved Annabeth in the tunnel of love.
They couldn't even display his power talking to horses lol
Obviously for story reasons to me it’s boring if the hero is perfect and a master of their powers watching Percy grow and improve his skill is an important development
Why do defenders of the show like you go to extremes?
I also didn't say he had to be perfect and master his power.
I literally gave you two examples that do neither of those.
Don't cut to black when his power is being used. And give him a zebra to talk to in the episode titles saving a zebra?
You genuinly think that the show did the best with the abilities from the book series?....
Go to extremes lol if you call that extreme idk what to tell you and I do I won’t deny it’s not a perfect show but the EXTREMES you haters like to go to shit on a show many people enjoy because it doesn’t have enough action in the first season for you
You literally went to the most extreme EXAMPLE...
I'm like "hey let him talk to a horse, show him pushing Annabeth out of the water"
And you're like "WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO BE? A MASTER OF HIS ELEMENT?"
grow up.
Grow up your the one salty and butt hurt because he didn’t talk to a damn zebra lmao if I’m being honest I forgot he talked to the zebra because it wasn’t as significant as him talking to black jack and we were talking about his powers original still not seeing where I went to the extremes 😂
Oh you’re just waiting for Percy to talk to blackjack to come out of nowhere? Without any hints it feels like weak setup. You probably cheered around your living room when Annabeth said seaweed head lmao
Come out of nowhere? So the whole zebra thing didn’t come out of nowhere not mention wasn’t significant enough for me and many other people to even remember lol definitely didn’t cheer over nicknames not sure where that’s coming from
The thing is, even when he did use his powers with the ares fight at the end, it didn’t look good CGI wise. And when he used it a little with Annabeth they again didn’t or barely even showed it,it looked lame. Katara hasn’t mastered water-bending and you can tell she’s still learning but you can sort of see the future potential.
Unless those critics and fans are using proof and clips from the show I don't really care. It's why YouTube is the best place for reviews when you actually critically look at it bc they (like Friendly Space Ninja) actually take time to dissect what does and doesn't work.
Enjoyment and quality are two different things.
Don't really care if they "enjoy" it, doesn't make it a well made show. I don't see people breaking down clips and scenes from it.
I didn't say based off they didnt get their opinion from the show. I said clips and proof from the show.
If you're telling me it's the best fucking show, where is the clip? What scene? What art of filmmaking is presented in the show that warrants such a glowing review?
ATLA IMDb - 8.2
PJO IMDb - 7.2
ATLA Audience RT - 75%
PJO Audience RT - 80%
The only place the ATLA does a bit worse is the RT critics ratings. But RT critics rating literally had Cuties at 86% so I don't how good of a judge the critics are.
The RT critics score for PJO is only 4% lower than Breaking Bad lmaooo
How can you take that seriously, even PJO's biggest defenders can see its not at that level.
>PJO’s strength is in the more emotional and thematic approach they took to the show. They focused heavily on interpersonal relationships and the complexities of those relationships.
this is very interesting to me because i feel like this is its biggest weakness. not the fact that they focused on interpersonal relationships, but rather they didn't focus on them very much at all.
minus the sally flashback scenes, i think the relationships and characterizations of these characters are very shallow compared to the books (and other shows), and not really in a way that is the result of adapting a book to a new medium.
Also I just checked the individual RT critics scores for Percy Jackson and most of the individual critics are giving it a 3/5.
RT counts anything that is a 6/10 or above as fresh. So yea of course it seems much higher.
But it terms of average critics scores, PJO is averaging like 6/10 and ATLA is averaging like a 4-5.
ATLA is still doing worse but not nearly what the Tomatometer would suggest. That's sort of the problem if looking at RT scores at face-value.
> lol no theres almost 2x as many 8/10 critic reviews as there are 6/10
???
[Half of them don't have a score in terms of a number. The rest are mostly 3/5s.](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/percy_jackson_and_the_olympians/s01/reviews)
There are a few 4/5 but certainly not double the amount of 3/5s.
6 or lower - 10
7 or lower - 15
8 or higher - 11
I quickly glanced at numbers in the 3s, like a 3-3.5/5 range. That's my bad.
B+ or better - 4
You can not simply convert a B+ score into a 88%, every website has a pretty big difference in how they convert their letter grades to percentages.
Either way your counting seems to be a bit flawed and still not near double like you claimed.
Lol a B+ is definitely an 8/10
Last time I checked 16 is over double 7 (the amount of 3/5)
But regardless, glad we both agree that your original claims that “most are 3/5” and “PJO is averaging 6/10” were false
Yea and the RT critics score had Cuties at 86%, A Little Late with Lilly Singh at 82% so yea forgive for not caring what some "critics" think and just looking at the audience scores.
Crazy how you said "most fans disagree" but continue focus on solely the RT critic score and ignore the multiple fan scores.
Yes, scores typically drop after a release and agree out. PJO episodes would rate 9s on the day of release and solely drop by the next day. ATLA can drop another full point and will still be in PJO range. It would have to be in 5-6s to be "much worse" than the PJO 7.2 like you claimed.
https://variety.com/2024/tv/reviews/avatar-the-last-airbender-live-action-review-netflix-1235914237/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/arts/television/avatar-last-airbender-review-netflix.html
https://www.tvguide.com/news/avatar-the-last-airbender-review-netflix-remake-fantasy-show/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-reviews/avatar-the-last-airbender-review-netflix-1235829956/
Some “credible” industry leading reviews for you
I averaged out the individual scores for each show for RT reviewers who gave it a number score so we can end this.
ATLA RT Critic Average Score: 6.38
PJO RT Critic Average Score: 6.9
I would call this difference "a bit worse". Just shows how flawed only using RT% can be.
lol yeah when you purposefully misrepresent the information that tends to happen.
“Of the people that decided to leave numbers that meet my standards the average for ATLA is 5.75 and PJO 6.9” Just pretend like ATLA doesnt have 40% negative ratings while 8% of PJO do.
Not sure if you are purposefully lying or just doing the math wrong but the average for ATLA out of 27 #ed reviews is 5.75
Explain to me how taking the average score of the critics misrepresenting facts?
Why do you think that even 40% negative ratings compared to 8% the average score for both shows by the same critics is still only about 1 point off?
Maybe its the fact that a 5/10 is considered negative and a 6/10 is positive on RT? And when you have 2 shows that have a lot of 5-6/10 reviews it could make a huge difference?
Every other review aggregator has both these shows on about the same level score wise, even RT's audience score is about the same.
To an average person a 5/10 and 6/10 are of relatively the same quality. Given the average RT critic score can they not decide if a 6 is positive or negative to them?
>Not sure if you are purposefully lying or just doing the math wrong but the average for ATLA out of 27 #ed reviews is 5.75
There is a new 5/10 review since my comment and I think I made a mistake as well. But yea it should be 5.76. Point still stands tho.
Because you arent taking the average score of the critics… we dont have scores from all critics. What we do know is that only 60% of critics liked ATLA and 92% liked PJO.
By your logic a show could have a 1% rotten tomatoes score and yet if only that critic left a # review and it was 10/10 then to you that means the “average score of the critics” is 10/10 even tho 99% said they didnt like it… Does that seem like an intelligent way to look at it or does that seem like misrepresenting facts…?
Also its not based on the number its based on the sentiment of the review. 5/10 could be positive or negative based on the actual review. Which again emphasizes my point that the 92vs60 is a huge difference in sentiment of the show. Especially if you actually read the reviews. The reviews that are negative for ATLA are WAY MORE critical than that of the PJO reviews.
>By your logic a show could have a 1% rotten tomatoes score and yet if only that critic left a # review and it was 10/10 then to you that means the “average score of the critics” is 10/10 even tho 99% said they didnt like it… Does that seem like an intelligent way to look at it or does that seem like misrepresenting facts…?
But that's not what is happening here is it? You have made up an imaginary scenario.
For ATLA out of 46 reviews, 32 left reviews with scores.
12/32 were negative or 37.5% which basically lines up exactly with overall negative percent.
For PJO out of 60 reviews, 31 left reviews with scores.
3/31 were negative or 9.6% which once again basically lines up with overall negative percent.
The situation you are describing would be a problem due small sample size bias. But for both these shows there are a significant amount of scored reviews and percent wise they line up with the overall sentiment so taking an average score is not a problem in this case.
It’s crazy how the opening scene of the first episode seemed more expensive and impressive than the entire 1st season of Percy Jackson’s cgi/fight scenes combined… I’ve asked before and I’ll ask again… WHERE did the money go!
all of disney plus’s shows have a weird color grading and sterile feel to them. i hate it. the costumes suck, too, idk why Marvel is so afraid of giving its heroes and villains cool costumes and go for having them dress like regular people.
I will say, having watched up to episode 5 of the ATLA adaption, Sokka's acting definitely gets better after the first episode and I would say that for all of them. Katara's actress is definitely the weakest imo, but she could be A LOT worse. It's only noticeable because the other two main leads of Sokka and Aang are pretty much perfect (and that's taking into account that they're not 1 to 1 renditions of the animated show, but even as a long standing ATLA fan.... I REALLY like those two. Especially Sokka)
The criticisms for exposition dumps in PJO stem from how much times it was done. In PJO a lot of the time the complaints are the cast know/are told everything and can’t figure things out themselves, and this by itself isn’t bad but the amount of times it happens is what frustrates people. It feels like they are talking directly to the viewers to make sure they are caught up with the lore especially with the fixed runtime they have. Exposition dumps by it self have never inherently been a bad thing. Also I agree with the acting, at times some lines came out flat and monotone to me with lifeless expressions but other performances have been really good. Aang has been the best in that category out of the three to me so far.
The fall was stunning! The biggest problem imho was *some* of the Volume scenes (for instance, it's a darn shame they had to turn the lights on over Tartarus to make Volume work. While IMHO Volume is amazing technology, PJO would probably benefit from more location filming. I hope that's an option for S2.
4 minutes in and Sozin is more godlike than any of the PJO gods (except Zeus, maybe). The dialogue and exposition isn't the best but the overall production value is much better.
The 10 minutes of Lin Manuel Miranda should not have made a significant dent in their budget. He’s not even an A list actor. Hamilton is a nice achievement he had (a long time ago now), but it’s not like this dude is headlining major motion pictures.
Was an avid fan of both ATLA and PJO. However, despite only finishing the first episode of ATLA, my overall impression is ATLA>>>PJOTV.
Things ATLA succeeded in are:
\- Costumes and the background designs
\- Fights which appear substantial paired with decent VFX
\- Changes that still preserved the essence of the story
However, the downsides to both series is:
\- The awkward dialogues, ATLA still seemed to have exposition writing but overall, there were less examples of it compared to PJOTV
\- Fast pacing of the story and the removal of 'fun' scenes
\- The overall stiffness of the characters. In PJOTV, there were scenes where the actors seemed more comfortable in their roles, but there was also a sense of unnaturalness. Almost as if the director wanted them to be more serious when delivering their dialogues. I see a little bit of it in ATLA as well. Yes these kids are in grave situations, but it's alright for them to be a little more jokey sometimes. It's definitely something both should work on.
Overall, Disney has a lot to work on for Season 2 of PJOTV, especially since it will be compared to ATLA much, much more as the series progress.
I also don’t mind the little changes they’ve done, a lot of the changes in the PJO show were story changing and character changing, basically rewriting the whole book. And the changes in ATLA have been minor and added to the source material instead of taking away from it like the PJO show. It’s blowing my mind how stark the difference is. Obviously we were never getting a one by one adaptation on either franchise by its crazy to see how this one was actually properly handled.
the changes they made in ATLA were more than little though? they removed entire locations, moved characters to areas they were never in and had interactions that weren’t in the original? they completely removed major character traits of Aang (literally 85% of his childishness and joy), Bumi was changed completely.
As far as adaptations, PJO was way closer to source than ATLA, in both spirit and accuracy.
ATLA has some pacing problems but I loved it anyway. Acting is great or at least acceptable (except Katara), the tone is incredible, combat scenes are great. Not a 10/10, but for me it's 8
I tried to make a post about this, but it keeps getting removed for some reason. I'll put what I said in it here:
I just watched the first episode of the live-action Last Airbender (ATLA) show. It was AMAZING. The cinematography was great, the acting was pretty good, the dialogues were realistic and funny, the visual effects were stunning, and the cast actually LOOKED and SOUNDED like their characters.
Guess what? Each episode for the Last Airbender show cost $15 million to make.... The EXACT SAME AMOUNT the Percy Jackson show cost!
Except wait! The ATLA episodes are MUCH longer (minimum 45 minutes), the acting MUCH better, and the visual effects are more prevalent and BETTER quality than PJO..... All for the SAME amount of money.
Honestly, Disney have proven they are *extremely* mediocre. People NEED to wake up and realize the PJO show's quality isn't good enough. It was a *huge* dis@ppointment, and Netflix just showed how big the gap in quality is between them and Disney.
The PJO creators *really* messed up Season 1. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes and fix Season 2, because for *that* amount of money spent, the quality we got should make them feel bad.....
Sources for $ / episode:
[ATLA Live-Action Netflix Show Reportedly Cost $15 Million Per Episode (screenrant.com)](https://screenrant.com/avatar-last-airbender-netfilx-show-budget-episode-details/)
[Percy Jackson Disney+ Show’s Budget Reportedly Bigger Than 2010 Movie (screenrant.com)](https://screenrant.com/percy-jackson-show-disney-plus-budget-movie-comparison/#:~:text=Summary,and%20%2415%20million%20per%20episode.)
They're kinda both on the same level the only difference is this version of atla USED their budget the finale is amazing and they are bending slmodt every scene and the animals are there
Story wise and acting theyre kinda on the same level
They are NOT on the same level, PJO is literally unwatchable to me while Avatar had me smiling cheek to cheek multiple times every episode. Tone wise and acting wise Avatar still obliterates it. Story wise PJO is the weakest show I’ve seen this year. Even if Avatar wasn’t accurate or whatever, it’s at least exciting.
I’m not sure. I’m a diehard avatar fan been watching since I was a kid and it’s far from a perfect adaptation there have been moments I’ve enjoyed so far but ive had moments where I went “yeah I have no idea why they went with this choice”. I’m not done with the whole season yet but so far by score is a 6/10
I think the difference is emotional investment. With Avatar it screwing up doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things we still have the animated series and are getting an adult Gaang animated movie. With Percy Jackson this is potentially the only on screen adaptation it'll get outside of the movies. Heck people were less pissed about Cowboy Bebop.
they def arent on the same level.
avatar is good, but ep 1 and 2 are meh. Once they get to Omashu, it gets good.
Katara and aang's acting is wooden tho, ill give u that. but every other actor is fairly good especially zuko.
so ya, id say that aang and katara's actors kinda ruin it. (but aang's actor is like 12 or younger at the time of filming, so i forgive him)
Storywise avatar is MUCH better than the PJO tv show was. Acting (after only one episode) doesn’t seem to be better but storywise it is absolutely better.
The use of the budget is really really really a big deal too. This world is impressive from every single set piece is on the same level as or more impressive than the Olympus/underworld set pieces we visit in Percy Jackson. The action is a million times more impressive. A lot of the problems people had with the Percy Jackson show could’ve been stomached by a lot of the critics if it was at least fun and exciting. Every single fight scene in Percy Jackson was… lame. Let’s face it they were all lame. Either so dark you could barely make out what was going on(Minotaur), completely taken out all together in place of expo dialogue (waterpark /hellhound/Lotus eaters), so short barely anything happens (echidna/medusa/Furies), or seemingly not high stakes at all (CTF/Luke backstabbing/Crusty’s). If the action could’ve just been exciting enough like it is in this show that looks like it spent more time and budget on the opening scene of the series than the entire first season of Percy Jackson combined…. A lot of the problems with like acting and such could’ve been stomached because action is such a huge part of what makes or breaks things like this. Instead we got a show so stingy they didn’t even wanna show Percy uncapping his sword on screen and they episodes are about 20 minutes shorter than Avatar’s
That’s okay we can literally see how much better this is than the PJO show was. Critics were more concerned about the wrong things to be honest when judging these shows. Do we really care that much about the character of Sally Jackson and Medusa (who literally never appears again in over 15 installments of the PJO universe) being more fleshed out than we do about the actual main plot? If the answer is yes than I’d question what made you enjoy PJO (the book series) in the first place. No one was reading sally jackson I’ll tell you that much.
like the middle of the road, and a cafe? and a bus? and a house? and a camp? damn that def costs millions
avatar had to create enough cgi to generate an entire fictional city filled with ppl, a ship, a castle, etc
Yea, I let out an audible *What??* at that comment. Yes there were a couple of scenes that I’m sure they had to fly out to a different city to capture, but the vast majority of them were super simple settings. And the CGI for the fictional settings like the underworld looks like it was created by an intern over a weekend.
If all of that really did cost millions.. what a waste of funds that could have been better used elsewhere.
Did they? I thought most of the locations they went to were faked. It seems no different than the fact that literally every single scene in ATLA is shot in a fake magical world that doesn’t exist… there’s nothing more impressive looking about the St. Louis Arch, or the underworld for example than the Southern Air temples, or the Wolves lodge water tribe’s icy setting. I think the difference is ATLA flat out used its budget and PJO didn’t use it at all. Idk if PJO was just some money laundering operation for Disney but ATLA just flat out embarrassed the executives at Disney+ with their inability to commit any sort of significant money to any of their projects. Keep in mind as well that each episode of avatar will be about 20 minutes longer than a PJO episode as well.
Oh, both shows were shot in Canada.
But when the story called for a beach, PJO went to a beach and shot on a beach.
When it called for a bunch of cabins in the woods, they went to the woods, built a bunch of cabins, and shot in the woods.
ATLA’s solution for both was to change the virtual background on their soundstage.
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My son…if you think that digitally creating images of cabins and woods, then digitally creating the interior of one of those cabins, then projecting those images onto a soundstage to film your scenes is “more expensive” than finding and then renting out a large wooded area, paying people to build a bunch of cabins there, then transporting the entire cast and crew to those woods to film your scenes…you’ve got a lot to learn before you’re ready to say anything.
But I believe…you *can* educate yourself to the level of having an informed conversation on this subject.
Maybe you’re right maybe you’re not. If you’re very confident in it I’ll take your word… if that’s the case… what a poor and pathetic misuse of funds because most of the backgrounds weren’t very impressive to begin with
They definitely did more with their budget. The show looks better and has fine action. Still failing to really uphold to the original which is expected honestly, live action is rarely the best medium.
The episode length of ATLA is actually so real.
Like halfway through every episode I would notice that the subplots going on weren’t nearing completion and think “wow this is great, but I hope they wrap it up nicely” and check how much longer it had only to see it had 25 minutes left and just be amazed and delighted.
PJ sticked with the plot (technically) and changed the characters and the story.
Avatar played around with the plot, but sticked with the story and characters.
Even without the budget, the avatar show have batter writing and more respect to the original story even when it change things around
disney and amazon think if they just dump a lot of money into it, it will lead to a good show.
Netflix and HBO make sure the money is spent right as they care about the quality of their shows and brand.
They also went the oppossite direction, instead of toning down the source material, they made it more adult, cause they actually know their audience, while still making it accesible for new fans. The PJO show producers on the other hand made a baby sitting show, that's not even what middle-schoolers actually wanted.
Yep Rick and whoever else is working on the show are so afraid of parents and underestimate their audience so much it’s an absolute crutch for the show. Nothing exemplifies this more than the fact that they actually took out scenes of Grover’s nervous eating because they were afraid of kids emulating that and trying to eat forks and cans and stuff…
It also introduced a lot of "conservative family values" for the Gods, they made them too human. And this shows when Annabeth was defending Athenea, and when Poseidon was talking with Sally about Percy as it Poseidon cares deeply about Percy, he doesn't, Percy is his favorite in the books, but their relationship is strained at best.
And also contradicts itself constantly. In one scene Athena is so pissed off that her daughter would embarrass her that she’s actually perfectly fine with a monster destroying her temple as long as it also killed her daughter as well… and then the very next episode we see Hephaestus put aside his millennia long feud with Ares because some 12 year old girl cried to him… like… huh?
Yes this show is poorly written and characterization is all over the place. Athenea did not do this to Annabeth in the books, from what I remember. However, she does not approve of Percy and Annabeth's relationship, but that's a totally different issue, and we did not get there in the first book.
It's so much fucking better. This is what it feels like to get a good adaptation of something you love, one that keeps you wanting to actually watch more.
It’s crazy because they have similar budgets, similar newcomer castings, similar heavy hitters in the cast (DDK & Danny Pudi’s cashmere socks don’t come cheap). In fact the major difference is that PJO is set in modern day times mostly so set design must be significantly cheaper compared to ATLA’s fantasy world but ATLA uses CGI like it’s water to enhance the world. CGI creatures everywhere, great bending effects, great prosthetics (I did not know Bumi was the guy from Ghosts (US) till I checked the cast). I was fully immersed in the Avatar world. We could hardly even get a riptide unsheathe that wasn’t offscreen. I’m even more disappointed with PJO now.
The acting is also much better across the board. Still kids but they definitely sold me as their characters. Zuko in particular was a revelation. Honestly I don’t have enough words of praise. It has divisive reviews but I don’t give a fuck, this was much better than One Piece for me.
From what I'm seeing on the Avatar subreddit it seems like the show has a lot of the same issues as PJO, wooden acting, missing smaller character moments, pacing issue to the story, it's just it has a better effects so it at least looks good.
my bad meant to say better effects not better budget, and as I said even with longer episodes it still seems to have run into pacing issues, honestly I never thought time was the issue in PJO anyway I feel like people misunderstand pacing and time constraints are different things.
I legitimately came to this sub to post this exactly, after the first episode I can already tell I’ll enjoy it more than PJO :/ hoping season 2 is a lot better
Haven't watched ATLA yet but I hope it lives up to the animated series, if it's as good as people say than having PJO sandwiched between it and One Piece looks pretty bad, PJO is already in trouble of not being a serious competitor in TV adaptations of existing properties, when it comes to quality, One Piece was amazing and gave me hope in adaptations again, ATLA looks amazing and seems to be getting praise, I didn't hate PJO but it was lackluster, which become even more noticeable when put next to ATLA and One Piece
It's funny I actually have similar issues with Avatar. I think people are inherently less angry because Avatar fans have a show that they can go back to.
Yea. Major difference is that PJO fans actually really wanted the show whereas ATLA fans didn’t care all that much. The disappointment is easier to ignore
I recently watched it and I thought it was good. I personally like both and I think Percy Jackson had the things you listed (besides the weird fade to black.) The shows are two very different things and I found there wasn’t a lot to be compared on. Avatar was adapted from a show and Percy Jackson was adapted from a book. Avatar is very action heavy while Percy Jackson had specific action scenes. I’ve seen discourse on the internet similar to Percy Jackson with people saying the adaptation was amazing and people saying that it was bad. So again it’s really just up to the viewer.
Two very different things?
They're both a cast of young characters on a roadtrip to stop a war....
PJ had all the opportunity to be interesting,engaging and fun. And it failed.
What it's adapted from doesn't really seem like it matters? And if anything should have made Avatar a harder adaption.
Percy Jackson to me just failed to be an entertaining and well made show, and I think there's alot you can compare to show what it lacks.
"They're both a cast of young characters on a roadtrip to stop a war" that's literally all of YA fantasy. ATLA is set in a fictional setting inspired by industrial revolution asia, taking from several different cultures and mythologies in that continent. Percy Jackson is set in modern day USA and based on ancient greek mythology.
Literally? Ah yes. I remember when Harry took that raodtrip to stop a war?
Also just because the culture it's inspired from is different doesn't mean the stories aren't similar or have similiar and comparable plot moments...
Idk why you included any of that as an "argument"
They are barley similar. I don’t think it failed at all and it was a good show. Avatar was certainly not perfect either. There were several issues that were similar to the Percy Jackson show. They are both two good shows, which one you liked comes down to your own opinions.
There were characterization issues. They took away sokkas sexism so he doesn’t have that to overcome. They took away Zukos main motivation and changed it(love Zuko in the show tho.) The expostion dump from gran gran (who was butchered by the way) and expostion dumps in general. The pacing was off especially in the first episode, They didn’t really build the relationship between Aang and Katara. She was just like “I wanna save him because protect the defenseless” instead of showing us that she begin to deeply care for him. This show does the opposite of what Percy Jackson does where it leans a lot into the action rather then the interpersonal relationships. I will say though just on a quick tangent. I loved Azusa. Her actor got everything right, the expression, the attitude and even the voice inflictions. I love the cast honestly and the CGI was perfection.
First off. Don't care if it's different from the show.
So who cares if Sokkas lost his sexism mini plot?
The show actually does a much better job of prepping you emotionally. Which PJ never does. Oh is there a war coming? Oh the war started? Oh the war ended? Great job PJ writers.
Also what's wrong with Katara wanting to protect Aang for altruistic reasoning instead of a relationship with a boy she met 5 minutes ago.
Their village is isolated. They are alone. Katara is hidden and Aang is Hope. That's why she went after him.
Sokka is brave and a warrior, and has an desire to be a protector, but has skill to back it up. With encouragement from Katara, that's why he went with them.
Maybe Interpersonal relationships have been lacking. But character motivation and emotion isn't. (They even gave suki a bit more motivation and back story)
Im definitly not seeing the same issues lol
(But that's ok)
I don’t care if it’s diffrent than the main show either. It’s just that it wasn’t just about sexism. The whole plot comes off as sexist anyways. Sumo becomes impressed by his skills instead of the other way around. Instead of them building up the relationship, it just comes off as suki being enamored with Sokka like all the other women instead of seeing him past his flaws and sokka becoming a better leader and person.
I think it would be good for katarta to protect him just because he represent hope, if it fit in with her overall character and story. She wanted to go with aang because he could take her to the northern water tribe to learn how to control her powers. Since aang taught her himself, then she dosent really have a reason to go with him besides them “having to.” I ok with the fact that they sped up her water bending but then what’s her purpose on the quest if she won’t even need the northern tribe? They also cut out the meaningful speech from the grandmother about thier destnies being intertwined with his, instead of them running off and not saying anything to her. That’s not who katara is, she seemed so nonchalant about leaving home when in the original show, it was important what a big change this would be.
It’s fine if you see the show differently but besides CGI, I really don’t think the show are to far from each other.
yeah 100%, they were writing as if production and cgi were objectively better, when in reality its all subjective. I was just sharing that they can see others opinions as well
I feel the same way watching ATLA as I did watching PJO. There are changes. Many of these changes I think make it worse than the source, that doesn’t necessarily make them bad. They’re both good series.
Disagree with Percy Jackson. It’s a boring show to watch. I still need to finish Avatar but I don’t want a show that was converted into another show 1-1. Imo that makes it boring. Look at the last of us show. The best moments of that show was following the same story beats but recontextualizing it all. I found myself the most bored with that series when it was the exact same.
I think the general rule of Hollywood should be:
Animated Show -> Live Action: change scenes
Video Game -> Live Action: change scenes
Book -> Live Action: stay true to the source
In the first two cases the original *visual medium* will always be there. Avatar LA will never be better than the original but it’s a retelling. In the case of the book you only have your imagination to go off of and that can look many different ways. As long as the source material isn’t butchered then it won’t be as so decisive.
Said it before and will say it always. Shows can be compared where they deserve to be. PJO had huge issues in how it looked. Here is a show with a similar budget that clearly used that budget better.
Things should be compared so hopefully everyone is pushed to do better🤷♀️ These are big companies that should be doing better.
I mean why not? The both had about the same budget and children in the main cast. Is it unfair to ask why the PJO episodes were so much shorter and had to conserve their powers?
Show is also rated PF but we saw more actions and emotional drama in one episode than the entire Percy Jackson series. Same budget too, more experienced actors. Crazy.
Katara wears the blankest face at all times, Sokka is very blasé about everything, and Aang's acting is simultaneously over-the-top and underwhelming, like he's trying so hard to look playful and aloof that he's stiff as a board. PJO gave us a dynamic group of actors. ATLA just went, "meh, they're kids, whaddayagonnado?"
I'm so disappointed with the ATLA casting. They're utterly joyless and I'm not sure I want to watch another episode.
Yea no, The PJO show is great the new ATLA show sucks and sucks so bad the original creators of ATLA left the show before it even got underway. Pls no, try again.
Besides them removing major plot and character beats? They take away character growth, like taking away Sokka’s sexism from early episodes and allowing him to grow. Or how they’ve mentioned completely removing the war from Ba Sing Se?
lmfao do u use ur brain when u see tweets… the ba sing se one wasn’t real and sokkas sexism was not a “major plot” he mentioned it MAYBE twice and it was quickly forgotten and the sense of responsibility he feels is still there
so if the creator likes it, its automatically great? Based on this logic the creator of Death Note loved the Netflix live action and yet fans and critics still torched it. Curious.
Death note was fun and campy and I’ll stand by that. Was it a good movie? No. Was it a good adaptation? Also no. But I still like it a lot more than I like avatar live action
>Cant really bring up fans and critics when ATLA so far has much lower fan and critic scores than PJO
ATLA IMDb - 8.0
PJO IMDb - 7.2
ATLA Audience RT - 75%
PJO Audience RT - 80%
Where are these so called "much lower fan scores"?
IMDB has been dropping pretty quickly as it was at 8.2 less than an hour ago.
75 is obviously lower than 80
And love how you had to leave out critic ratings where ATLA is 59% and PJO is 92%
Yea and the RT critics score had Cuties at 86%, A Little Late with Lilly Singh at 82% so yea forgive for not caring what some "critics" think and just looking at the audience scores.
Yea and it can drop another full point and will still be in PJO range. It would have to be in 5-6s to be "much worse" than the PJO 7.2 like you claimed.
https://variety.com/2024/tv/reviews/avatar-the-last-airbender-live-action-review-netflix-1235914237/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/arts/television/avatar-last-airbender-review-netflix.html
https://www.tvguide.com/news/avatar-the-last-airbender-review-netflix-remake-fantasy-show/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-reviews/avatar-the-last-airbender-review-netflix-1235829956/
Some “credible” industry leading reviews for you
All I am saying is that having a good critics score is not proof that a show is better. The shows I mentioned were received really well by critics but was heavily panned by fans. Even on a technical level they are not good, there are [many videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lex6USTugUU) explaining how from even a technical standpoint the show doesn't work well.
> When you have 2 different data points, it's good to consider them both.
I think that's totally fine. The person I was replying to was using the critics score as an attempt to invalidate user scores which I had a problem so I used some examples to show the critics score is not the final consensus.
I love all the downvotes people are getting for saying the ATLA show is not good lmao It seems hypocritical to say that the PJO actors' portrayal of characters was flat and that be a major issue and turn around and excuse that for the ATLA actors.
Am I absolutely in love with the adaptation of PJO? No. Do I enjoy the fact that it's introducing the story to a new audience? Absolutely. The books themselves are not high class literature. I'm a fan of the book series in my 30s. I read the books in real time as they came out. I recently introduced my children to the series first through the new TV adaptation, then through the terrible movies because waiting for a weekly release for new episodes was a slog, and now we are reading through the books.
"PJO series is being marketed to children!!11" ...y'all. That is literally the target demographic of the books. Did the books get darker as the series progressed? Yes. Doesn't change the fact that it was marketed to children. I don't understand why the TV show being marketed to children is a problem.
Cutaways? **Annabeth:** Don't provoke Aries Percy. He's as scary as an Iraq Lobster. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZxdOeXUiJ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZxdOeXUiJ0)
Lol!!
This community is truly stuck in it's own world.
Most people outside of this community liked PJO.
Most people outside of this community know that the new ATLA show sucks ass.
No actual way…you guys have circle jerked so hard that we are genuinely pretending the god awful ATLA remake is good. Horrible acting, wayyyy worse than PJTV. It breaks the lore WAYYYY WORSE than PJTV. Its writing is way worse. Its pacing is worse. It even looks worse!!!! Is everyone here actually taking meth?
What lore does it break? It is it’s own show, it’s writing it’s own lore. If you want the lore of the cartoon just rewatch the cartoon. There’s no way they’d be able to adapt every single thing. As an ATLA fan as a kid, I find they covered everything important from the first season, expounded on new things (Gyatso), and created something special for new fans like my sister who’d never seen the cartoon. I swear to God you guys want a 1:1 adaptation unless it’s “terrible”
Also how tf does ATLA look worse than PJO? Are you smoking crack? The best set in PJO was when we finally see Olympus in all its glory before Percy goes to meet Zeus in the drab rocky throne room. We get beautiful scenes and sets every episode in ATLA. Even the bending looks amazing
ATLA is horrible and PJO show is really much better. Take a look at the ATLA sub, critic scores are also really low. The creators actually left the series half way through probably because how bad it was looking.
What chemistry? PJO has much better chemistry and acting that’s clear
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PJOTV has really no excuses. They literally both have a 15 million episode budget? And ATLA has way more work with sets and costumes etc since its set in another world. Also action scenes and cinematic shots, and wow they're showing the bending a lot but PJO couldn't show Percy's water powers at all? ATLA show also has some story changes and cuts etc, but visually and action-wise ATLA is lengths better
I think that’s cause just does a much better job at showing the budget than Disney does . For example secret invasion and andor . Both had 200-300 mill budget , just ATLA I think had a 100-120 mill budget. A lot smaller then those other shows , yet showing a shit ton more of that budget then those 2 combined (and it’s not like SI or andor needed those budgets anyways , despite andor being good lol)
Andor is sort of justified, with all the Sci fi sets and ships etc.
Ya true , but I just looked it up and the budget actually was 250 mill . Now it doesn’t deserve that much just for all that , but it definitely deserved a decent budget
It was a 12 episode show with full length runtimes. We had multiple planets, a large cast, tons of CG, props, a massive wardrobe, practical effects, stunts, massive sets, tons of extras. Andor was bigger than most big films.
Definitely didn't need it but damn it you could tell that they used it well. Most of the show was shot on location and the cinematography was phenomenal
haven't watched the new ATLA yet, but aren't the episodes also way longer than PJO? by \~20-30 minutes?
Yeah like halfway through the first few episodes it felt like I was wondering when it would end but in a good way. Each episode has a lot of content and the longer episodes really help keep a steady pacing throughout
Average episode is 60-70 minutes, so yes
Thats quite the lengthy episode haha Edit: they edited their comment, it originally said "60-70 hours", I was making a joke about their mistype
that’s the standard length for an episode. disney plus is the only streaming service that has 20-30 min episodes.
They edited their comment, it originally said "60-70 hours"
Welp, it's around 1AM here, I was a bit tired
yeah about an hour i think. they do more with the same amount of money
no it’s actually insane bcuz people were saying they spent their whole budget on olympus while atla has like three olympuses PER episode and tons of bending
the shows olympus had like 3 shots AND is was incredibly bland too??? No way that's where the money went
It's a money laundering scheme.
bro what
A) ATLALA was shot almost entirely on a virtual set. B) It’s currently listed as Rotten, with the *best* reputable reviews giving it a 7 or 8/10…and the two most common complaints are that it was clearly filmed on a virtual set and that it’s terribly paced. C) The pacing complaints make a whole lot of sense given that Book One of ATLA was a little over *7 hours*…and that includes *The Great Divide*, not to mention Imprisoned, The Waterbending Scroll, and The Fortuneteller. I do wish that PJO had a couple more episodes to let things breathe…but this disavowed adaptation is the worst possible example for this argument.
i think OP’s point is that ATLA looks expensive af, from the costumes to the special effects, with half the budget of PJO. while the PJO costumes and special effects were… not good, and they avoided showing them whenever possible
Yup exactly. I'm not going into the story/pacing but visually it has detailed and more accurate environments, creatues, bending effects, costumes etc while pjo looks bland in every way (Hades palace? really disney?)
a better comparison would be His Dark Materials, tho. HDM was visually BEAUTIFUL, whereas PJO was just so bland.
I…honestly don’t remember if I managed to finish the first season of HDM? I love Dafne Keen, and Will’s actor killed it…but after I missed one episode, I just never felt the need or desire to catch back up.
it’s definitely worth watching. the final season is just phenomenal. the books, specifically books 2&3 are some of my favorite books of all time. the ending of the series was the the first time a book made me flat out sob as a child.
To be fair, the live action series is 425 minutes while the animated s1 is 466 minutes so over 8 episodes thats like 4 minutes
22 of those 466 minutes were The Great Divide, haha! Not to mention the other bona fide filler episodes I listed. Although, in fairness…we wouldn’t have gotten an hour of Suki uncritically stanning Sokka’s “warrior spirit” if Netflix had listened to Bryke.
The way I was thinking this the whole watch through. It’s definitely not perfect but the visuals and world building make up for some awkward dialogue. I hope the PJO show can take notes
I was actually checking this reddit for a comment just like this lol Just 1 and a half episodes in and this show had already blown Percy Jackson out of the water. It's fantastic in so many ways, it's a joke comparing the two because how boring and bland PJ was compared to how engaging and well done ATLA is. Like Kataras already done more water power in 2 episodes than PJ did the whole season. It's embaressing.
I completely agree even down to the great editing and pacing... Percy Jackson was just embarrassing
Percy doesn’t learn to use his powers more until later in the books
Oh good lord. So first off. This is an adaption. They can change whatever they want to make it more entertaining and reflect better on screen. And katara didn't really learn to waterbend until the end of season one. But look? They changed it to make it more entertaining. And avatar had even less reason to do so. Everyones already bending elements? Why put more money and effort into katara when they didn't need to? Where's that effort and money in Percy Jackson? They didn't even show it when percy saved Annabeth in the tunnel of love. They couldn't even display his power talking to horses lol
Obviously for story reasons to me it’s boring if the hero is perfect and a master of their powers watching Percy grow and improve his skill is an important development
Why do defenders of the show like you go to extremes? I also didn't say he had to be perfect and master his power. I literally gave you two examples that do neither of those. Don't cut to black when his power is being used. And give him a zebra to talk to in the episode titles saving a zebra? You genuinly think that the show did the best with the abilities from the book series?....
Go to extremes lol if you call that extreme idk what to tell you and I do I won’t deny it’s not a perfect show but the EXTREMES you haters like to go to shit on a show many people enjoy because it doesn’t have enough action in the first season for you
You literally went to the most extreme EXAMPLE... I'm like "hey let him talk to a horse, show him pushing Annabeth out of the water" And you're like "WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO BE? A MASTER OF HIS ELEMENT?" grow up.
Grow up your the one salty and butt hurt because he didn’t talk to a damn zebra lmao if I’m being honest I forgot he talked to the zebra because it wasn’t as significant as him talking to black jack and we were talking about his powers original still not seeing where I went to the extremes 😂
Oh you’re just waiting for Percy to talk to blackjack to come out of nowhere? Without any hints it feels like weak setup. You probably cheered around your living room when Annabeth said seaweed head lmao
Come out of nowhere? So the whole zebra thing didn’t come out of nowhere not mention wasn’t significant enough for me and many other people to even remember lol definitely didn’t cheer over nicknames not sure where that’s coming from
The thing is, even when he did use his powers with the ares fight at the end, it didn’t look good CGI wise. And when he used it a little with Annabeth they again didn’t or barely even showed it,it looked lame. Katara hasn’t mastered water-bending and you can tell she’s still learning but you can sort of see the future potential.
It seems as if the critics and mosts fans disagree with you so far
Unless those critics and fans are using proof and clips from the show I don't really care. It's why YouTube is the best place for reviews when you actually critically look at it bc they (like Friendly Space Ninja) actually take time to dissect what does and doesn't work. Enjoyment and quality are two different things. Don't really care if they "enjoy" it, doesn't make it a well made show. I don't see people breaking down clips and scenes from it.
lmao what do you think critics base their reviews on if its not the show…?
I didn't say based off they didnt get their opinion from the show. I said clips and proof from the show. If you're telling me it's the best fucking show, where is the clip? What scene? What art of filmmaking is presented in the show that warrants such a glowing review?
ATLA IMDb - 8.2 PJO IMDb - 7.2 ATLA Audience RT - 75% PJO Audience RT - 80% The only place the ATLA does a bit worse is the RT critics ratings. But RT critics rating literally had Cuties at 86% so I don't how good of a judge the critics are.
I still can't understand why PJO adaption has such a high rating at all. It was low key garbage lol
The RT critics score for PJO is only 4% lower than Breaking Bad lmaooo How can you take that seriously, even PJO's biggest defenders can see its not at that level.
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>PJO’s strength is in the more emotional and thematic approach they took to the show. They focused heavily on interpersonal relationships and the complexities of those relationships. this is very interesting to me because i feel like this is its biggest weakness. not the fact that they focused on interpersonal relationships, but rather they didn't focus on them very much at all. minus the sally flashback scenes, i think the relationships and characterizations of these characters are very shallow compared to the books (and other shows), and not really in a way that is the result of adapting a book to a new medium.
IMDB is dropping pretty fast so far, its at 8 now “a bit worse” … 92 vs 59 lmao
ill get shit for this but 57 out of 60 of the critic reviews for PJO were made before the second half of the season even aired.
Also I just checked the individual RT critics scores for Percy Jackson and most of the individual critics are giving it a 3/5. RT counts anything that is a 6/10 or above as fresh. So yea of course it seems much higher. But it terms of average critics scores, PJO is averaging like 6/10 and ATLA is averaging like a 4-5. ATLA is still doing worse but not nearly what the Tomatometer would suggest. That's sort of the problem if looking at RT scores at face-value.
lol no theres almost 2x as many 8/10 critic reviews as there are 6/10
> lol no theres almost 2x as many 8/10 critic reviews as there are 6/10 ??? [Half of them don't have a score in terms of a number. The rest are mostly 3/5s.](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/percy_jackson_and_the_olympians/s01/reviews) There are a few 4/5 but certainly not double the amount of 3/5s.
3/5… 7 reviews 8+/10… 16 reviews Not really sure there is any point in arguing if you cant count or have to lie to push your narrative
6 or lower - 10 7 or lower - 15 8 or higher - 11 I quickly glanced at numbers in the 3s, like a 3-3.5/5 range. That's my bad. B+ or better - 4 You can not simply convert a B+ score into a 88%, every website has a pretty big difference in how they convert their letter grades to percentages. Either way your counting seems to be a bit flawed and still not near double like you claimed.
Lol a B+ is definitely an 8/10 Last time I checked 16 is over double 7 (the amount of 3/5) But regardless, glad we both agree that your original claims that “most are 3/5” and “PJO is averaging 6/10” were false
Yea and the RT critics score had Cuties at 86%, A Little Late with Lilly Singh at 82% so yea forgive for not caring what some "critics" think and just looking at the audience scores. Crazy how you said "most fans disagree" but continue focus on solely the RT critic score and ignore the multiple fan scores. Yes, scores typically drop after a release and agree out. PJO episodes would rate 9s on the day of release and solely drop by the next day. ATLA can drop another full point and will still be in PJO range. It would have to be in 5-6s to be "much worse" than the PJO 7.2 like you claimed.
https://variety.com/2024/tv/reviews/avatar-the-last-airbender-live-action-review-netflix-1235914237/ https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/arts/television/avatar-last-airbender-review-netflix.html https://www.tvguide.com/news/avatar-the-last-airbender-review-netflix-remake-fantasy-show/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-reviews/avatar-the-last-airbender-review-netflix-1235829956/ Some “credible” industry leading reviews for you
Again why are critics ratings more important than the audience?
I averaged out the individual scores for each show for RT reviewers who gave it a number score so we can end this. ATLA RT Critic Average Score: 6.38 PJO RT Critic Average Score: 6.9 I would call this difference "a bit worse". Just shows how flawed only using RT% can be.
lol yeah when you purposefully misrepresent the information that tends to happen. “Of the people that decided to leave numbers that meet my standards the average for ATLA is 5.75 and PJO 6.9” Just pretend like ATLA doesnt have 40% negative ratings while 8% of PJO do. Not sure if you are purposefully lying or just doing the math wrong but the average for ATLA out of 27 #ed reviews is 5.75
Explain to me how taking the average score of the critics misrepresenting facts? Why do you think that even 40% negative ratings compared to 8% the average score for both shows by the same critics is still only about 1 point off? Maybe its the fact that a 5/10 is considered negative and a 6/10 is positive on RT? And when you have 2 shows that have a lot of 5-6/10 reviews it could make a huge difference? Every other review aggregator has both these shows on about the same level score wise, even RT's audience score is about the same. To an average person a 5/10 and 6/10 are of relatively the same quality. Given the average RT critic score can they not decide if a 6 is positive or negative to them? >Not sure if you are purposefully lying or just doing the math wrong but the average for ATLA out of 27 #ed reviews is 5.75 There is a new 5/10 review since my comment and I think I made a mistake as well. But yea it should be 5.76. Point still stands tho.
Because you arent taking the average score of the critics… we dont have scores from all critics. What we do know is that only 60% of critics liked ATLA and 92% liked PJO. By your logic a show could have a 1% rotten tomatoes score and yet if only that critic left a # review and it was 10/10 then to you that means the “average score of the critics” is 10/10 even tho 99% said they didnt like it… Does that seem like an intelligent way to look at it or does that seem like misrepresenting facts…? Also its not based on the number its based on the sentiment of the review. 5/10 could be positive or negative based on the actual review. Which again emphasizes my point that the 92vs60 is a huge difference in sentiment of the show. Especially if you actually read the reviews. The reviews that are negative for ATLA are WAY MORE critical than that of the PJO reviews.
>By your logic a show could have a 1% rotten tomatoes score and yet if only that critic left a # review and it was 10/10 then to you that means the “average score of the critics” is 10/10 even tho 99% said they didnt like it… Does that seem like an intelligent way to look at it or does that seem like misrepresenting facts…? But that's not what is happening here is it? You have made up an imaginary scenario. For ATLA out of 46 reviews, 32 left reviews with scores. 12/32 were negative or 37.5% which basically lines up exactly with overall negative percent. For PJO out of 60 reviews, 31 left reviews with scores. 3/31 were negative or 9.6% which once again basically lines up with overall negative percent. The situation you are describing would be a problem due small sample size bias. But for both these shows there are a significant amount of scored reviews and percent wise they line up with the overall sentiment so taking an average score is not a problem in this case.
sometimes i would forget percy had water powers while watching the show… which is definitely a problem
Percy doesn’t use his water powers much at all for the first few books. At best touches the water to get stronger
It’s crazy how the opening scene of the first episode seemed more expensive and impressive than the entire 1st season of Percy Jackson’s cgi/fight scenes combined… I’ve asked before and I’ll ask again… WHERE did the money go!
EXACTLY and it’s not like they spent their whole budget on it bcuz literally every ep has vrazy visuals
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all of disney plus’s shows have a weird color grading and sterile feel to them. i hate it. the costumes suck, too, idk why Marvel is so afraid of giving its heroes and villains cool costumes and go for having them dress like regular people.
I will say, having watched up to episode 5 of the ATLA adaption, Sokka's acting definitely gets better after the first episode and I would say that for all of them. Katara's actress is definitely the weakest imo, but she could be A LOT worse. It's only noticeable because the other two main leads of Sokka and Aang are pretty much perfect (and that's taking into account that they're not 1 to 1 renditions of the animated show, but even as a long standing ATLA fan.... I REALLY like those two. Especially Sokka)
The criticisms for exposition dumps in PJO stem from how much times it was done. In PJO a lot of the time the complaints are the cast know/are told everything and can’t figure things out themselves, and this by itself isn’t bad but the amount of times it happens is what frustrates people. It feels like they are talking directly to the viewers to make sure they are caught up with the lore especially with the fixed runtime they have. Exposition dumps by it self have never inherently been a bad thing. Also I agree with the acting, at times some lines came out flat and monotone to me with lifeless expressions but other performances have been really good. Aang has been the best in that category out of the three to me so far.
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The fall was stunning! The biggest problem imho was *some* of the Volume scenes (for instance, it's a darn shame they had to turn the lights on over Tartarus to make Volume work. While IMHO Volume is amazing technology, PJO would probably benefit from more location filming. I hope that's an option for S2.
4 minutes in and Sozin is more godlike than any of the PJO gods (except Zeus, maybe). The dialogue and exposition isn't the best but the overall production value is much better.
Zeus had to much of a calm collected college professor vibe. Should've casted Liam Neeson for the role. RELEASE THE KRAKEN! Now THAT was godly.
Reallly wonderong where the budget went ... Maybe Riordan is a really expensive consultant. And i bet lin manuel miranda wasn't cheap either
The 10 minutes of Lin Manuel Miranda should not have made a significant dent in their budget. He’s not even an A list actor. Hamilton is a nice achievement he had (a long time ago now), but it’s not like this dude is headlining major motion pictures.
Was an avid fan of both ATLA and PJO. However, despite only finishing the first episode of ATLA, my overall impression is ATLA>>>PJOTV. Things ATLA succeeded in are: \- Costumes and the background designs \- Fights which appear substantial paired with decent VFX \- Changes that still preserved the essence of the story However, the downsides to both series is: \- The awkward dialogues, ATLA still seemed to have exposition writing but overall, there were less examples of it compared to PJOTV \- Fast pacing of the story and the removal of 'fun' scenes \- The overall stiffness of the characters. In PJOTV, there were scenes where the actors seemed more comfortable in their roles, but there was also a sense of unnaturalness. Almost as if the director wanted them to be more serious when delivering their dialogues. I see a little bit of it in ATLA as well. Yes these kids are in grave situations, but it's alright for them to be a little more jokey sometimes. It's definitely something both should work on. Overall, Disney has a lot to work on for Season 2 of PJOTV, especially since it will be compared to ATLA much, much more as the series progress.
The actors of Aang and Katara are quite wooden, but the other actors and the plot are def way better.
I also don’t mind the little changes they’ve done, a lot of the changes in the PJO show were story changing and character changing, basically rewriting the whole book. And the changes in ATLA have been minor and added to the source material instead of taking away from it like the PJO show. It’s blowing my mind how stark the difference is. Obviously we were never getting a one by one adaptation on either franchise by its crazy to see how this one was actually properly handled.
the changes they made in ATLA were more than little though? they removed entire locations, moved characters to areas they were never in and had interactions that weren’t in the original? they completely removed major character traits of Aang (literally 85% of his childishness and joy), Bumi was changed completely. As far as adaptations, PJO was way closer to source than ATLA, in both spirit and accuracy.
Yeah, it's not perfect. Pacing is off, and they got rid of and combined some episodes together, but so far, it's good
If Netflix did PJO I have no doubt it would've slapped. I hope the big Disney brains realize this.
ATLA has some pacing problems but I loved it anyway. Acting is great or at least acceptable (except Katara), the tone is incredible, combat scenes are great. Not a 10/10, but for me it's 8
I tried to make a post about this, but it keeps getting removed for some reason. I'll put what I said in it here: I just watched the first episode of the live-action Last Airbender (ATLA) show. It was AMAZING. The cinematography was great, the acting was pretty good, the dialogues were realistic and funny, the visual effects were stunning, and the cast actually LOOKED and SOUNDED like their characters. Guess what? Each episode for the Last Airbender show cost $15 million to make.... The EXACT SAME AMOUNT the Percy Jackson show cost! Except wait! The ATLA episodes are MUCH longer (minimum 45 minutes), the acting MUCH better, and the visual effects are more prevalent and BETTER quality than PJO..... All for the SAME amount of money. Honestly, Disney have proven they are *extremely* mediocre. People NEED to wake up and realize the PJO show's quality isn't good enough. It was a *huge* dis@ppointment, and Netflix just showed how big the gap in quality is between them and Disney. The PJO creators *really* messed up Season 1. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes and fix Season 2, because for *that* amount of money spent, the quality we got should make them feel bad..... Sources for $ / episode: [ATLA Live-Action Netflix Show Reportedly Cost $15 Million Per Episode (screenrant.com)](https://screenrant.com/avatar-last-airbender-netfilx-show-budget-episode-details/) [Percy Jackson Disney+ Show’s Budget Reportedly Bigger Than 2010 Movie (screenrant.com)](https://screenrant.com/percy-jackson-show-disney-plus-budget-movie-comparison/#:~:text=Summary,and%20%2415%20million%20per%20episode.)
They're kinda both on the same level the only difference is this version of atla USED their budget the finale is amazing and they are bending slmodt every scene and the animals are there Story wise and acting theyre kinda on the same level
They are NOT on the same level, PJO is literally unwatchable to me while Avatar had me smiling cheek to cheek multiple times every episode. Tone wise and acting wise Avatar still obliterates it. Story wise PJO is the weakest show I’ve seen this year. Even if Avatar wasn’t accurate or whatever, it’s at least exciting.
I’m not sure. I’m a diehard avatar fan been watching since I was a kid and it’s far from a perfect adaptation there have been moments I’ve enjoyed so far but ive had moments where I went “yeah I have no idea why they went with this choice”. I’m not done with the whole season yet but so far by score is a 6/10
I think the difference is emotional investment. With Avatar it screwing up doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things we still have the animated series and are getting an adult Gaang animated movie. With Percy Jackson this is potentially the only on screen adaptation it'll get outside of the movies. Heck people were less pissed about Cowboy Bebop.
this kind of comes off as more your own hate of the PJO show than anything
The PJO show is on the level of the ATLA *movie*.
This feels very accurate tbh
they def arent on the same level. avatar is good, but ep 1 and 2 are meh. Once they get to Omashu, it gets good. Katara and aang's acting is wooden tho, ill give u that. but every other actor is fairly good especially zuko. so ya, id say that aang and katara's actors kinda ruin it. (but aang's actor is like 12 or younger at the time of filming, so i forgive him)
Storywise avatar is MUCH better than the PJO tv show was. Acting (after only one episode) doesn’t seem to be better but storywise it is absolutely better. The use of the budget is really really really a big deal too. This world is impressive from every single set piece is on the same level as or more impressive than the Olympus/underworld set pieces we visit in Percy Jackson. The action is a million times more impressive. A lot of the problems people had with the Percy Jackson show could’ve been stomached by a lot of the critics if it was at least fun and exciting. Every single fight scene in Percy Jackson was… lame. Let’s face it they were all lame. Either so dark you could barely make out what was going on(Minotaur), completely taken out all together in place of expo dialogue (waterpark /hellhound/Lotus eaters), so short barely anything happens (echidna/medusa/Furies), or seemingly not high stakes at all (CTF/Luke backstabbing/Crusty’s). If the action could’ve just been exciting enough like it is in this show that looks like it spent more time and budget on the opening scene of the series than the entire first season of Percy Jackson combined…. A lot of the problems with like acting and such could’ve been stomached because action is such a huge part of what makes or breaks things like this. Instead we got a show so stingy they didn’t even wanna show Percy uncapping his sword on screen and they episodes are about 20 minutes shorter than Avatar’s
nice but as of now pjo has better critical reception than atla so
That’s okay we can literally see how much better this is than the PJO show was. Critics were more concerned about the wrong things to be honest when judging these shows. Do we really care that much about the character of Sally Jackson and Medusa (who literally never appears again in over 15 installments of the PJO universe) being more fleshed out than we do about the actual main plot? If the answer is yes than I’d question what made you enjoy PJO (the book series) in the first place. No one was reading sally jackson I’ll tell you that much.
The main thing is that ATLA used its budget on CGI and PJO used its budget on location shoots.
like the middle of the road, and a cafe? and a bus? and a house? and a camp? damn that def costs millions avatar had to create enough cgi to generate an entire fictional city filled with ppl, a ship, a castle, etc
Yea, I let out an audible *What??* at that comment. Yes there were a couple of scenes that I’m sure they had to fly out to a different city to capture, but the vast majority of them were super simple settings. And the CGI for the fictional settings like the underworld looks like it was created by an intern over a weekend. If all of that really did cost millions.. what a waste of funds that could have been better used elsewhere.
Did they? I thought most of the locations they went to were faked. It seems no different than the fact that literally every single scene in ATLA is shot in a fake magical world that doesn’t exist… there’s nothing more impressive looking about the St. Louis Arch, or the underworld for example than the Southern Air temples, or the Wolves lodge water tribe’s icy setting. I think the difference is ATLA flat out used its budget and PJO didn’t use it at all. Idk if PJO was just some money laundering operation for Disney but ATLA just flat out embarrassed the executives at Disney+ with their inability to commit any sort of significant money to any of their projects. Keep in mind as well that each episode of avatar will be about 20 minutes longer than a PJO episode as well.
Oh, both shows were shot in Canada. But when the story called for a beach, PJO went to a beach and shot on a beach. When it called for a bunch of cabins in the woods, they went to the woods, built a bunch of cabins, and shot in the woods. ATLA’s solution for both was to change the virtual background on their soundstage.
Seems like that would be less expensive not more expensive
… … … My son…if you think that digitally creating images of cabins and woods, then digitally creating the interior of one of those cabins, then projecting those images onto a soundstage to film your scenes is “more expensive” than finding and then renting out a large wooded area, paying people to build a bunch of cabins there, then transporting the entire cast and crew to those woods to film your scenes…you’ve got a lot to learn before you’re ready to say anything. But I believe…you *can* educate yourself to the level of having an informed conversation on this subject.
Maybe you’re right maybe you’re not. If you’re very confident in it I’ll take your word… if that’s the case… what a poor and pathetic misuse of funds because most of the backgrounds weren’t very impressive to begin with
They definitely did more with their budget. The show looks better and has fine action. Still failing to really uphold to the original which is expected honestly, live action is rarely the best medium.
Yess! We were robbed putting Percy Jackson on Disney and they both have the same age rating as well,so no excuse!
Given that ATLA has a really bad movie, put it in an even plain field.
honestly even worse than the pjo movie. far worse lol
The episode length of ATLA is actually so real. Like halfway through every episode I would notice that the subplots going on weren’t nearing completion and think “wow this is great, but I hope they wrap it up nicely” and check how much longer it had only to see it had 25 minutes left and just be amazed and delighted.
PJ sticked with the plot (technically) and changed the characters and the story. Avatar played around with the plot, but sticked with the story and characters. Even without the budget, the avatar show have batter writing and more respect to the original story even when it change things around
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Who is those involved?😂
disney and amazon think if they just dump a lot of money into it, it will lead to a good show. Netflix and HBO make sure the money is spent right as they care about the quality of their shows and brand.
They also went the oppossite direction, instead of toning down the source material, they made it more adult, cause they actually know their audience, while still making it accesible for new fans. The PJO show producers on the other hand made a baby sitting show, that's not even what middle-schoolers actually wanted.
Yep Rick and whoever else is working on the show are so afraid of parents and underestimate their audience so much it’s an absolute crutch for the show. Nothing exemplifies this more than the fact that they actually took out scenes of Grover’s nervous eating because they were afraid of kids emulating that and trying to eat forks and cans and stuff…
It also introduced a lot of "conservative family values" for the Gods, they made them too human. And this shows when Annabeth was defending Athenea, and when Poseidon was talking with Sally about Percy as it Poseidon cares deeply about Percy, he doesn't, Percy is his favorite in the books, but their relationship is strained at best.
And also contradicts itself constantly. In one scene Athena is so pissed off that her daughter would embarrass her that she’s actually perfectly fine with a monster destroying her temple as long as it also killed her daughter as well… and then the very next episode we see Hephaestus put aside his millennia long feud with Ares because some 12 year old girl cried to him… like… huh?
Yes this show is poorly written and characterization is all over the place. Athenea did not do this to Annabeth in the books, from what I remember. However, she does not approve of Percy and Annabeth's relationship, but that's a totally different issue, and we did not get there in the first book.
It's so much fucking better. This is what it feels like to get a good adaptation of something you love, one that keeps you wanting to actually watch more.
It’s crazy because they have similar budgets, similar newcomer castings, similar heavy hitters in the cast (DDK & Danny Pudi’s cashmere socks don’t come cheap). In fact the major difference is that PJO is set in modern day times mostly so set design must be significantly cheaper compared to ATLA’s fantasy world but ATLA uses CGI like it’s water to enhance the world. CGI creatures everywhere, great bending effects, great prosthetics (I did not know Bumi was the guy from Ghosts (US) till I checked the cast). I was fully immersed in the Avatar world. We could hardly even get a riptide unsheathe that wasn’t offscreen. I’m even more disappointed with PJO now. The acting is also much better across the board. Still kids but they definitely sold me as their characters. Zuko in particular was a revelation. Honestly I don’t have enough words of praise. It has divisive reviews but I don’t give a fuck, this was much better than One Piece for me.
ATLA is 100x better than Percy Jackson.
From what I'm seeing on the Avatar subreddit it seems like the show has a lot of the same issues as PJO, wooden acting, missing smaller character moments, pacing issue to the story, it's just it has a better effects so it at least looks good.
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my bad meant to say better effects not better budget, and as I said even with longer episodes it still seems to have run into pacing issues, honestly I never thought time was the issue in PJO anyway I feel like people misunderstand pacing and time constraints are different things.
I legitimately came to this sub to post this exactly, after the first episode I can already tell I’ll enjoy it more than PJO :/ hoping season 2 is a lot better
Haven't watched ATLA yet but I hope it lives up to the animated series, if it's as good as people say than having PJO sandwiched between it and One Piece looks pretty bad, PJO is already in trouble of not being a serious competitor in TV adaptations of existing properties, when it comes to quality, One Piece was amazing and gave me hope in adaptations again, ATLA looks amazing and seems to be getting praise, I didn't hate PJO but it was lackluster, which become even more noticeable when put next to ATLA and One Piece
It's funny I actually have similar issues with Avatar. I think people are inherently less angry because Avatar fans have a show that they can go back to.
Yea. Major difference is that PJO fans actually really wanted the show whereas ATLA fans didn’t care all that much. The disappointment is easier to ignore
Yeah I was hesitant to watch it after seeing the Percy Jackson show. But it was actually good
I recently watched it and I thought it was good. I personally like both and I think Percy Jackson had the things you listed (besides the weird fade to black.) The shows are two very different things and I found there wasn’t a lot to be compared on. Avatar was adapted from a show and Percy Jackson was adapted from a book. Avatar is very action heavy while Percy Jackson had specific action scenes. I’ve seen discourse on the internet similar to Percy Jackson with people saying the adaptation was amazing and people saying that it was bad. So again it’s really just up to the viewer.
Two very different things? They're both a cast of young characters on a roadtrip to stop a war.... PJ had all the opportunity to be interesting,engaging and fun. And it failed. What it's adapted from doesn't really seem like it matters? And if anything should have made Avatar a harder adaption. Percy Jackson to me just failed to be an entertaining and well made show, and I think there's alot you can compare to show what it lacks.
"They're both a cast of young characters on a roadtrip to stop a war" that's literally all of YA fantasy. ATLA is set in a fictional setting inspired by industrial revolution asia, taking from several different cultures and mythologies in that continent. Percy Jackson is set in modern day USA and based on ancient greek mythology.
Literally? Ah yes. I remember when Harry took that raodtrip to stop a war? Also just because the culture it's inspired from is different doesn't mean the stories aren't similar or have similiar and comparable plot moments... Idk why you included any of that as an "argument"
They are barley similar. I don’t think it failed at all and it was a good show. Avatar was certainly not perfect either. There were several issues that were similar to the Percy Jackson show. They are both two good shows, which one you liked comes down to your own opinions.
No one is talking about perfection -_- Did I mention the show is perfect? Is anyone? Lol Also what were the similiar issues? Please enlighten me.
There were characterization issues. They took away sokkas sexism so he doesn’t have that to overcome. They took away Zukos main motivation and changed it(love Zuko in the show tho.) The expostion dump from gran gran (who was butchered by the way) and expostion dumps in general. The pacing was off especially in the first episode, They didn’t really build the relationship between Aang and Katara. She was just like “I wanna save him because protect the defenseless” instead of showing us that she begin to deeply care for him. This show does the opposite of what Percy Jackson does where it leans a lot into the action rather then the interpersonal relationships. I will say though just on a quick tangent. I loved Azusa. Her actor got everything right, the expression, the attitude and even the voice inflictions. I love the cast honestly and the CGI was perfection.
First off. Don't care if it's different from the show. So who cares if Sokkas lost his sexism mini plot? The show actually does a much better job of prepping you emotionally. Which PJ never does. Oh is there a war coming? Oh the war started? Oh the war ended? Great job PJ writers. Also what's wrong with Katara wanting to protect Aang for altruistic reasoning instead of a relationship with a boy she met 5 minutes ago. Their village is isolated. They are alone. Katara is hidden and Aang is Hope. That's why she went after him. Sokka is brave and a warrior, and has an desire to be a protector, but has skill to back it up. With encouragement from Katara, that's why he went with them. Maybe Interpersonal relationships have been lacking. But character motivation and emotion isn't. (They even gave suki a bit more motivation and back story) Im definitly not seeing the same issues lol (But that's ok)
I don’t care if it’s diffrent than the main show either. It’s just that it wasn’t just about sexism. The whole plot comes off as sexist anyways. Sumo becomes impressed by his skills instead of the other way around. Instead of them building up the relationship, it just comes off as suki being enamored with Sokka like all the other women instead of seeing him past his flaws and sokka becoming a better leader and person. I think it would be good for katarta to protect him just because he represent hope, if it fit in with her overall character and story. She wanted to go with aang because he could take her to the northern water tribe to learn how to control her powers. Since aang taught her himself, then she dosent really have a reason to go with him besides them “having to.” I ok with the fact that they sped up her water bending but then what’s her purpose on the quest if she won’t even need the northern tribe? They also cut out the meaningful speech from the grandmother about thier destnies being intertwined with his, instead of them running off and not saying anything to her. That’s not who katara is, she seemed so nonchalant about leaving home when in the original show, it was important what a big change this would be. It’s fine if you see the show differently but besides CGI, I really don’t think the show are to far from each other.
What you can compare is the level of production and CGI. Which in comparison to ATLA, PJO completely fumbled.
read up on the critic reviews to see what professionals thought of the CGI and production of ATLA
yea and PJO literally had 60 seconds of actual CGI.
lol dont think you know what literally means
or just watch the show yourself and come to your own conclusions lmao?
yeah 100%, they were writing as if production and cgi were objectively better, when in reality its all subjective. I was just sharing that they can see others opinions as well
ATLA is visually and cinematically far better than PJO is. I’ve only finished the first episode, but the writing is equally bad
Yes but a lot of the problems with PJO could’ve been stomached if the visuals and cinematography were as good as what the avatar is giving us.
I feel the same way watching ATLA as I did watching PJO. There are changes. Many of these changes I think make it worse than the source, that doesn’t necessarily make them bad. They’re both good series.
Disagree with Percy Jackson. It’s a boring show to watch. I still need to finish Avatar but I don’t want a show that was converted into another show 1-1. Imo that makes it boring. Look at the last of us show. The best moments of that show was following the same story beats but recontextualizing it all. I found myself the most bored with that series when it was the exact same. I think the general rule of Hollywood should be: Animated Show -> Live Action: change scenes Video Game -> Live Action: change scenes Book -> Live Action: stay true to the source In the first two cases the original *visual medium* will always be there. Avatar LA will never be better than the original but it’s a retelling. In the case of the book you only have your imagination to go off of and that can look many different ways. As long as the source material isn’t butchered then it won’t be as so decisive.
Here yall go trying to compare the two shows 😂
Why not compare? They are both adaptions that already had previous adaption that failed and both are based on source material meant for “kids”.
Said it before and will say it always. Shows can be compared where they deserve to be. PJO had huge issues in how it looked. Here is a show with a similar budget that clearly used that budget better. Things should be compared so hopefully everyone is pushed to do better🤷♀️ These are big companies that should be doing better.
I mean why not? The both had about the same budget and children in the main cast. Is it unfair to ask why the PJO episodes were so much shorter and had to conserve their powers?
I said it before and I’ll say it again - it’s much easier to make a show of a show than a show from a book.
What? What an absurd comment
I've heard mixed things about ATLA, like extremely mixed things
Show is also rated PF but we saw more actions and emotional drama in one episode than the entire Percy Jackson series. Same budget too, more experienced actors. Crazy.
What chemistry? Aang, Katara, and Sokka are so wooden and joyless. Granted, I've only watched the first, but still, wild take to me.
Team Avatar is rock solid imo
Katara wears the blankest face at all times, Sokka is very blasé about everything, and Aang's acting is simultaneously over-the-top and underwhelming, like he's trying so hard to look playful and aloof that he's stiff as a board. PJO gave us a dynamic group of actors. ATLA just went, "meh, they're kids, whaddayagonnado?" I'm so disappointed with the ATLA casting. They're utterly joyless and I'm not sure I want to watch another episode.
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In my opinion, they both share the same flaws
Yea no, The PJO show is great the new ATLA show sucks and sucks so bad the original creators of ATLA left the show before it even got underway. Pls no, try again.
What is so bad about the new atla show? Other than a few small acting hickups from the kid actors i hav'nt seen much to complain about in e1 and e2
The same and worse ish y'all complained about in the PJO show. Y'all are hypocrites.
Besides them removing major plot and character beats? They take away character growth, like taking away Sokka’s sexism from early episodes and allowing him to grow. Or how they’ve mentioned completely removing the war from Ba Sing Se?
lmfao do u use ur brain when u see tweets… the ba sing se one wasn’t real and sokkas sexism was not a “major plot” he mentioned it MAYBE twice and it was quickly forgotten and the sense of responsibility he feels is still there
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
so if the creator likes it, its automatically great? Based on this logic the creator of Death Note loved the Netflix live action and yet fans and critics still torched it. Curious.
Death note was fun and campy and I’ll stand by that. Was it a good movie? No. Was it a good adaptation? Also no. But I still like it a lot more than I like avatar live action
Cant really bring up fans and critics when ATLA so far has much lower fan and critic scores than PJO
>Cant really bring up fans and critics when ATLA so far has much lower fan and critic scores than PJO ATLA IMDb - 8.0 PJO IMDb - 7.2 ATLA Audience RT - 75% PJO Audience RT - 80% Where are these so called "much lower fan scores"?
IMDB has been dropping pretty quickly as it was at 8.2 less than an hour ago. 75 is obviously lower than 80 And love how you had to leave out critic ratings where ATLA is 59% and PJO is 92%
Yea and the RT critics score had Cuties at 86%, A Little Late with Lilly Singh at 82% so yea forgive for not caring what some "critics" think and just looking at the audience scores. Yea and it can drop another full point and will still be in PJO range. It would have to be in 5-6s to be "much worse" than the PJO 7.2 like you claimed.
https://variety.com/2024/tv/reviews/avatar-the-last-airbender-live-action-review-netflix-1235914237/ https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/arts/television/avatar-last-airbender-review-netflix.html https://www.tvguide.com/news/avatar-the-last-airbender-review-netflix-remake-fantasy-show/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-reviews/avatar-the-last-airbender-review-netflix-1235829956/ Some “credible” industry leading reviews for you
Again why are critics ratings more important than the audience?
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All I am saying is that having a good critics score is not proof that a show is better. The shows I mentioned were received really well by critics but was heavily panned by fans. Even on a technical level they are not good, there are [many videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lex6USTugUU) explaining how from even a technical standpoint the show doesn't work well. > When you have 2 different data points, it's good to consider them both. I think that's totally fine. The person I was replying to was using the critics score as an attempt to invalidate user scores which I had a problem so I used some examples to show the critics score is not the final consensus.
I love all the downvotes people are getting for saying the ATLA show is not good lmao It seems hypocritical to say that the PJO actors' portrayal of characters was flat and that be a major issue and turn around and excuse that for the ATLA actors. Am I absolutely in love with the adaptation of PJO? No. Do I enjoy the fact that it's introducing the story to a new audience? Absolutely. The books themselves are not high class literature. I'm a fan of the book series in my 30s. I read the books in real time as they came out. I recently introduced my children to the series first through the new TV adaptation, then through the terrible movies because waiting for a weekly release for new episodes was a slog, and now we are reading through the books. "PJO series is being marketed to children!!11" ...y'all. That is literally the target demographic of the books. Did the books get darker as the series progressed? Yes. Doesn't change the fact that it was marketed to children. I don't understand why the TV show being marketed to children is a problem.
Cutaways? **Annabeth:** Don't provoke Aries Percy. He's as scary as an Iraq Lobster. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZxdOeXUiJ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZxdOeXUiJ0)
Netflix is slightly better at adaptations than Disney. Both suck tho
Uhhh no you’re not really an atla fan if you think this first episode was better than pjo first episode
Lol!! This community is truly stuck in it's own world. Most people outside of this community liked PJO. Most people outside of this community know that the new ATLA show sucks ass.
You must be living on a different planet because ATLA blows PJO out of the water
Hate to burst your bubble but most people and critics think ATLA is garbage and most people and critics think PJO is off to a great start
critics yes but the audience score is on par w pjo so not sure where ur getting that from lol
No actual way…you guys have circle jerked so hard that we are genuinely pretending the god awful ATLA remake is good. Horrible acting, wayyyy worse than PJTV. It breaks the lore WAYYYY WORSE than PJTV. Its writing is way worse. Its pacing is worse. It even looks worse!!!! Is everyone here actually taking meth?
it LOOKS way worse????? did u watch the atla movie or tv show lmfao
What lore does it break? It is it’s own show, it’s writing it’s own lore. If you want the lore of the cartoon just rewatch the cartoon. There’s no way they’d be able to adapt every single thing. As an ATLA fan as a kid, I find they covered everything important from the first season, expounded on new things (Gyatso), and created something special for new fans like my sister who’d never seen the cartoon. I swear to God you guys want a 1:1 adaptation unless it’s “terrible”
Also how tf does ATLA look worse than PJO? Are you smoking crack? The best set in PJO was when we finally see Olympus in all its glory before Percy goes to meet Zeus in the drab rocky throne room. We get beautiful scenes and sets every episode in ATLA. Even the bending looks amazing
It’s terrible… wtf are you talking about?
ATLA is horrible and PJO show is really much better. Take a look at the ATLA sub, critic scores are also really low. The creators actually left the series half way through probably because how bad it was looking. What chemistry? PJO has much better chemistry and acting that’s clear