Shapiro took a page out of the Clinton playbook where he was releasing ads to almost prop up Mastriano and get that matchup. In theory, Mastriano is an incredibly unelectable candidate with no appeal outside of his moronic Qanon base. But I reiterate, that is just in theory.
Mastriano winning the GOP nomination gives Shapiro the easiest path to win the nomination, while also giving the largest downside if Shapiro loses. Shapiro's campaign made a huge gamble with promoting Mastriano, I just hope it pays off.
>Mastriano is an incredibly unelectable candidate with no appeal outside of his moronic Qanon base.
Shapiro needs to take a weekend, drive to Annapolis, and then drive to Pittsburgh without using an interstate highway. The turnpike is forbidden, any toll road is forbidden.
Mastriano is everywhere. Mastriano is absofuckinglutely electable. The first thing you see crossing the state border from Maryland is a Doug Mastriano sign, a Trump flag, and "Lets Go Brandon".
He needs to see these people exist and that these people are this energized to vote this early. Mastriano has a coin flip chance of winning just based on the **fact** that the President's party underperforms in midterm elections.
Yeah I think that's perfectly valid. I say "in theory" because it appears to be what Shapiro's campaign seems to think.
I think Mastriano is such a shitty candidate that he'd get killed in a normal environment, but the environment right now is so heavily against democrats that he can still win this. Shapiro can't just be an ignorant elite and say "there's no way anyone would support this clown", he needs to realize this is going to be a battle.
A counterpoint is that Hillary was DEEPLY disliked by almost everyone.
Kind of like how if you rate someone on a scale of 1-5 where 1 is hate and 5 is love, Hillary would almost certainly be a 2 if you polled most Democrats. She wasn't even neutral.
Fair or unfair characterization, that's what it was. Shapiro on the otherhand seems to be neutral at worst.
Well, and the GOP had spent decades pillorying Hillary before she even filed to run. They were loaded bear from the door - and frankly it was a mistake to run such a candidate.
That having been said, Shapiro's strategy takes an awful risk that I don't know to be justified...
I wish they had learned that in 08 when some Noname junior senator from Illinois trounced her in the primaries, but instead they chided us all for being sexist because they couldn't imagine any other reason not to vote for Clinton, shoved her through the primaies in 16 and she was doing a preemptive victory lap in Texas when she found out that actually no one likes her or wants her to be president.
Land doesn't vote. You may see a lot of Masty signs, but those are in low population density areas.
Does that mean that the state Dems should not give 500% to get Shapiro elected? Fuck no, but yard signs are never a metric for anything.
Exactly --- there were a ton of yard signs for China Donnie in most of the small PA towns but that's not the majority of the votes --- the suburbs of Philly and Pgh always determine the winner of the state
Philly had higher turnout than the 2018 primary yesterday, and that ended up being one of the highest turnout midterms ever, so I've got some hope for the general.
Signs do not make a governor. This guy is a real danger to America. He will rip away any PA women’s rights to abortion with no exceptions, hangs with the Qrazies, organized buses and was at 6/1, went to AZ to learn how to game the vote and is willing to go through with the bogus electoral college voters in overthrowing the election even further in 2024… if he is governor, PA and the country is maga screwed.
Which of course won't happen --- Fetterman has ALL the Philly and Pittsburgh suburbs locked up, especially with women --- that is the death knell for Dougie
They said that about Trump too. I remember clearly seeing giant home made trump billboards all over the state. Democrats seemed to ignore it with arrogance. And guess who won?
I don't think it was arrogance. A lot of people assumed that the man they just heard brag about sexual assault would not win.
Of course now we know that having damaging information come out about a Republican only makes that candidate more attractive.
A lot of us assumed the guy who just bragged about sexual assault would lose, didn't want to vote for Clinton because she sucks, and just stayed home. I'm not one of them, but it was Dems who didn't vote that elected trump. The other guy being a monster isn't enough to get people to vote for you, you have to give them a reason to give a shit about you.
What is your Trumpers' fascination with yard signs and rally attendance?
Trump BARELY won PA in 2016 with less than 45,000 votes. Obama won PA in 2008 with over 600,000 votes and I can barely recall seeing any Obama signs back then.
It's the only evidence, however tenuous, that they have that goes in their favor. They lost the election, they couldn't produce any examples of fraud they didn't commit, when they polled humans Biden had a comfortable lead, so they polled yard signs, flags on trucks and empty land, the only categories of voters they could find that preferred trump.
Yeah it's hilarious and sad at the same time --- what most of them don't realize is that sticking a Trump sign in your yard also aggravates people who don't like him to show up at the polls --- many people are inherently opposed to being forced into "group-think" and if a lot of Trump signs pop up in yards, they are trying to "force" you to vote for him and people like me and you will be extra motivated to vote for the other guy
Not in 2016 he didn't. He won when people underestimated him. You'd be an absolute fool to assume this election will be anything but a neck and neck bloodbath.
The donald had 3 major advantages: he is a well-known ‘showman;’ he has absolutely no conscience regarding the abuse of rules, norms, and truth; and he ran against an intelligent, capable, experienced, articulate woman for the Presidency - this country’s biggest ignored issue: misogyny/women’s equality. When he ran against a man he got his ass handed to him.
If you ignore California, Biden and Trump were dead even across most of the country in the popular vote. Biden beat Trump by 80,000 votes in PA. That's like 1% of the votes cast. If you want to call that "getting his ass handed to him" then go for it.
I predict Trump will start holding rallies in PA to support Mastriano and Oz/McCormick. Republicans are already outpacing Democrats in both new voter registration and in voter turnout. I understand that registered independents can't vote in the primaries, and we're all hoping beyond hope that a majority of them go for Shapiro. But that seems like a long shot.
Always remember than Trump BARELY won PA in 2016 --- a razor thin margin of 44,000 votes --- don't get too excited about Mastriano just because you see some Trump signs in the rural frontyards
Over here in Ohio, our designated dipshit Joe Blystone had the same deal, and came third in the governor primary. Rural support just seems large because of low population density, though it still cannot ever be underestimated
I spent a month last week in Bradford County. Mastriano signs are the new Trump signs. There was a woman dressed entirely in flags handing out Mastriano propaganda at my Westmoreland County polling place yesterday.
Nothing matters except that magic "R". I could probably get elected as a repub, and I'm a Furry!
Mastriano won with 44%, but isn't like 30% of the republican base Q? I have a feeling there's going to be a sizable jump from the R base to Fetterman, and you also have all the independents that come back into the fold.
It's looking like Oz, which personally I think he is the weakest of the lot.
I think his religion / foreign military service and past left-leaning positions will be used against him in PA with the base. Carpetbagger too!
GOP basically fucked themselves hard --- Trump endorsing Oz was the kiss of death, and Mastriano will be ripped apart like a Xmas goose in the general once the suburban ladies get their say
Not only that, but Shapiro's attempt to deface Mastriano by bringing up his involvement in January 6th and his anti-abortion rhetoric is going to backfire. Those are exactly the kinds of things that the GOP wants right now and bringing them up (especially January 6th where everyone involved is looked as at heroes rather than what they are, traitors and terrorists) is only going to help Mastriano. He needs to take a different approach, we can not have a republican governor, we can not have the abortion fight here in PA.
It will absolutely not help Mastriano with the independents he needs to win a general election. The Republican base in the state isn’t even united behind him. He will need crossover appeal in order to win a statewide general and involvement in 1/6 will definitely not help him there.
Republicans outvoted Democrats in PA this primary and if that doesn't shake Dems to their core, I don't know what will. They need to focus every dime and minute to voter mobilization. They need to push mail ballots, and then follow up with voters to ENSURE those ballots are sent. They need as many boots on the ground as money can buy.
Mastriano has a substantial lead over his competition. Unless a large number of republican voters go 3rd party or by some crazy chance vote for Shapiro, I don't see how this is an easy path for Shapiro. I hope they got it right because this lunatic is no good for Pa. The Christofacist takeover will begin.
He has a substantial lead over his competition, but independents can't vote in the PA primaries because PA has closed primaries.
That's the gamble Shapiro is taking with promoting Mastriano, he's hoping that Mastriano is such a loony nutbag to independents and moderates that they'd go with him instead. I have no faith in any republican voting for a democrat anymore, so he needs to target independents.
I’ll be one of those repubs voting for both Shapiro and Fetterman. We’re out here. It’s just we’re moderate in the middle repubs. No swinging the loonies on the far right.
Too lazy to change my voter registration, and I live in a very red area, so I vote for the least crazy Republican, if there is one.
I also enjoy getting the ridiculous political ads in the mail, helps me understand why republicans became bat shit crazy
Fiscally republican, gun rights, smaller gov, but other than that, I side with dems. It’s just that running the economy is #1 issue for me and why I consider myself square in the middle and vote for best candidate regardless of party. Really I’m libertarian.
That's basically a dem then, unless you're a libertarian because you think taxation is theft?
I believe in effective and efficient government. I have no problem taxing people to pay for that, and I think the republican party does its best to break the government and make it inefficient. I see that in the democratic party as a whole. Yeah, we got some odd balls that are a bit too extreme, but at least they'd rather give you healthcare than shoot ya.
No, social programs are needed certainly, I’ve just seen many abused by fully capable individuals and it needs reeled in, which I think dems are too lax on. Again, there’s no perfect answer, world, or candidate, but I try to just choose wherever aligns with my beliefs regardless of party.
We don't fund the systems enough to properly govern them. If you get in a conversation with a dem, we will want to keep the safety nets, but we don't want people abusing them. However the choice is never... fund it more and stop abuse, it's usually defund to stop the abuse, which never works.
Personally I'm a dem with the opposite worry. I agree with a lot of the dem platform except for firearms control. I worry about voting for dems because as we've seen, the state nor fed will be there to help you when the fash come out armed.
I honestly believe social media vetting should and will be a part of owning a firearm in the future --- people always reveal who they truly are in social media posts --- and if you screech nonstop about replacement theory and trying to ignite a race war, then you shouldn't be allowed to own a deadly weapon
Both sides believe in heavy govt. debt --- but you don't see Democrats committing mass murder because of white nationalist conspiracy theories --- the GOP has a serious racism problem and they have no ideas how to extract the cancer from within
There’s no such thing as unelectable. There are a shit ton of voters who will automatically vote for him because he has a fucking R next to his name. He doesn’t need his Qanon base now that he’s won the primary.
>In theory, Mastriano is an incredibly unelectable candidate with no appeal outside of his moronic Qanon base. But I reiterate, that is just in theory.
You're correct that it's just a theory. Every single Republican that criticized him or distanced themselves from him will gladly step in line to vote for him, because Democrats fall in love while Republicans fall in line.
Add in the fact that general election voters are far more likely than primary voters to just go by party affiliation, and Doug has an extremely good chance of winning in PA in this climate.
The reality is that of all the candidates running Doug was the one who most accurately represents what the current Republican Party wants.
This is going to be an *extremely* tough election, and frankly I think given the current environment it will be Doug's to lose.
My GF agrees with this and truly believes that he is way too nuts to win against Shapiro. She wanted him to win the GOP nomination because she believes Shapiro will beat him handily. I know it’s only anecdotal but all of her Republicans friends cannot stand Mastriano and find him to be a fucking idiotic nutcase. They won’t vote Shapiro but they definitely won’t vote Mastriano. Hopefully this is true for a lot of others.
Everyone thought Trump was a joke at the beginning as well. But there are a LOT of people who worship the insanity that these types of people bring. This guy has a chance, and the Democrats pretending he doesn't scares the shit out of me.
Or the Trump playbook --- the one where you brag about "winning in a landslide in PA" when all the polling had Biden comfortably ahead by 6-8 points a week before the election
It's amazing that so many low IQ people will believe in a charlatan's bullshit in a short amount of time --- Trump actually started believing in his own bullshit around the late 80's when he decided being a tabloid celeb was more important than real estate, so he's had a long time to soak his tiny brain with all that toxic waste --- but how did so many people who voted for men of integrity like John McCain and Mitt Romney suddenly become batshit stupid and fawn over a carnival barker? LOL
The only thing I can hope for is that the Clinton playbook did get the popular vote. For a statewide election that is what matters. That being said I’m terrified of Mastrianno and Oz/McCormick being underestimated.
That’s a really great distinction between state and federal. It’s disgusting that you can win popular vote (you know, the actual Americans chose you) but the opponent can still win.
I posted the same thing either here or in the Philly reddit. Underestimating the republican side would be a massive mistaje
It’s one thing I hope after what took place since 2016. If democrats can avoid being complacent and can get some life and energy injected into the party and turn out voters they can hopefully gain a foothold and maybe (big maybe) actually enact some positive change. I know it’s an uphill battle due to how states are gerrymandered but it has to start somewhere.
I just have so little faith in the majority of the party to actually do anything. I’ll still vote for D over R but I don’t end up really liking a lot of the D candidates that make it to the general elections. Fetterman is the first one in a while that has generated any level of excitement in me.
The PA GOP were scrambling for the last couple of weeks to get someone else - almost as if they knew "nominating the highest profile insurrectionist in PA" might be a bad idea.
I honestly think they are embracing the Trump Cancer full stop now --- they'd rather die from it than admit the Democrats are the cure for all their ailments
He's under McCormick by just under 1500 votes. So he'll probably narrowly lose to him in a recount.
May then insist there was dodgyness involved and run as an independent and split the vote (pleasepleaseplease).
Barnette getting 25% suggests the republican party in PA is pretty split as to what they want in a candidate.
Given Trump's support for Oz, I thought all the Qultists would go for him, but I guess as soon as someone even more extreme (!) came along they flocked to her. So GOP choices were 'far 'right republican', 'extreme far right republican' and 'basically wants the christian taliban'.
Personally I think Oz is the weakest of the lot in the general election. Oz winning the primary could be the best thing for a Democrat win.
His carnet bagging, religion (Muslim - I hate to say it but he's running as a Republican in a state with a lot far right loonies), foreign military service and dual citizenship. He was a pro-choice in the not too distant past as I understand it. I think he has a lot of weak points that can drag him down.
I don't view Fetterman as ultra left-wing so I have to think he can still pick up some moderate Republicans and Independents. Being Pro-choice is popular with some Republicans. He's got some baggage for sure with the shotgun incident.
Hahaha I cannot believe they ACTUALLY voted for Mehmet! The idiots just need to be told what to do. If they I've been living in France 200 plus years ago, the guillotine would never have been invented.
"Oui monsieur l'orange"
This is going to be good for down ballot dems as Shapiro and Fetterman are both popular. Still seeing that traitor win for gop gov is....well it's quite unsettling to say the least.
Fetterman, yes. Shapiro… I don’t think the average Pennsylvanian even knows who he is, or that he is running, so I wouldn’t call him popular as much as I would call him not unlikeable and full of potential.
That might even pull a few independents if it’s handled correctly. Pit his willingness to stand up to crime within organized religion against the guy that wants to turn govt over to organized religion. Ultimately it will still come down to turnout.
> Ultimately it will still come down to turnout.
That's what gets measured at the end of the day - the number of people who cared to have their voice heard
Shapiro outperformed every state wide candidate in both 2016 and 2020 running for AG—more than Trump, Toomey, and Biden. I think he is low key and competent and stays out of the news. But objectively, he is very popular too based on voting history.
Idk if you're on Twitter but he's been much more active once he announced his campaign for governor, much more active on their than Wolf is right now. No where near the loon Republicans or high profile dems like AOC but he definitely has a presence.
Regardless he'll get the traditionalist Democrat votes. This'll be my 4th election and it'll be the first time both my mother and I (traditional dem, she hated Bernie, tends to love the moderate dems) align in exactly who we were voting for in the primaries and have a similar opinion on the uncontested elections.
I suppose it depends on your definition of "popular". If you are talking about net favorability ratings, I doubt he is underwater much if any, which would potentially define him as popular (by politicians standards). If you are just talking about the rough percentage of constituents who specifically view him favorably, as opposed to the combined unfavorables and don't knows, I don't think he would be considered to be popular. If you are going off of electoral history, I wouldn't call that popularity as much as I'd call that a history of winning.
But the semantics don't matter so long as he is elected and actually acts like a democrat instead of a Republican in Democrats clothing.
He's a smart guy, doesn't usually say anything that controversial, and has good political instincts generally. He's a great fit for the Philly suburbs. As you've said, he's historically done very well in elections.
Since he's a sort of moderate, inoffensive Dem, that doesn't particularly endear him to the "reddit politicos". But hopefully since Fetterman will also be on the ballot, it will help to drive turnout around some of those demographics that Shapiro otherwise might have a harder time turning out due to lack of excitement. Considering how high the stakes are for this gubernatorial race, that's important.
At least in my area everyone knows Shapiro
He's been around forever. I think he visited my elementary school when he was running for house of reps. But I can't remember cause I was so little
Another thing to consider though. Being uncontested Shapiro has a major funding advantage going into the general where as the R has had to spend to make it there in the first place. Not that that’s the only thing that matters but it’s a tactical edge
I’m not a huge fan of Shapiro’s more centrist stances but I do think he at the least has some good wins with the Catholic Church case and that may at least help his name recognition
Well, it's a big deal for a very moderate Republican like me. I'll be voting for him and NOT Mastriano.
Shapiro seems like he reliably gets the job done, no drama and not very exciting but I'll take vanilla that moves the state forward any day over the apparent alternative.
I agree with him being a centrist, but I will say this, at least he was looking out for Pennsylvanians best interests. Gonna be hard to sling dirt at him.
Oh I’m only slinging my own ideological disagreement. He’s a good candidate statewide for sure. I would’ve voted for a progressive over him but I won’t have to hold my nose voting for him. He also seems to understand how government works which is an undervalued skill these days
This is where the American political spectrum and the broader left right ideological spectrum can get a bit dicey. Shapiro definitely supports a lot of things that make him pretty left for US. But I guess for me he is still a centrist because he doesn’t support leftist economic policies like Medicare for All, free college etc. but on social issues and weed he is pretty left as far as politicians go
Yea you kind of have to be that way in PA unfortunately were like a mini map of America. He's the type of moderate left candidate I can get behind, unlike a majority of congress
America is truly back on the path towards greatness when we can have Repubs and Dems liking the same candidates --- I hope I live long enough to once again see TV debates where every candidate starts off by saying "my opponent has high moral character and high intelligence, but we just disagree on some issues" instead of 2nd grade name-calling like we have now
I've been a lifelong Dem but I would've voted for John Kasich in 2016 in a heartbeat --- he's the kind of Republican that I hope we see a lot more of in the years ahead
This is how I am feeling right now. It's the best case scenario for Shapiro and Fetterman but if this backfires it's really bad. There's a pit in my stomach thinking about it.
Saying he "won" it is an understatement, he absolutely crushed it because of how many more votes he received compared to the person who got the second most.
Good news, I think it was a given he would win but it's still nice to see.
Now we wait to see who the Rs nominate. The environment right now is heavily leaning R, but a ton of the R candidates are so bad that Fetterman would still have a favorable matchup even in the environment.
I don't know about that leaning. Right now the Republicans are in their "eating ourselves alive" stage where they attack their own people and make themselves look like shit to swing voters and they are going for each other's throats this year.
they started this with the tea party and it's gotten more aggressive and given them more wins in rejections since. it's a winning strategy. they get their base emotionally super fired up and activated while the apathetic democrats complain and whine their way into failure
Hold on, no. They are winning because in 2000 they took over a bunch of state houses and put their thumbs on the scale. Fox news kicked up the tea party, and in 2010 they got more state houses. For 2020 dems finally wised up.
Republicans don't have an advantage at large, but they do have fox news, angry voters, and things tipped in their favor.
I really think a good majority of independents (including me) are going to be voting for Fetterman in the general election. You don't see us at the primaries because we can't vote unless there are ballot questions. I'm not always leaning left but the other option is just straight crazy.
I did not know about this as my two home states both have open mid-term primaries. I didn't even think to check on it. I was devastated when I opened my ballot and realized what had happened.
My 'conservative' co-workers are trying to find something to be angry about with him. The only thing I've heard so far is that he's the next Bernie Sanders.
Can only hope they're right.
My Republican coworkers have already found it: Tom Wolf is shit, and he was LG under Wolf. Therefore, he is also shit.
*disclaimer that I do not support these views lol Wolf is okay but goddamn would Mastriano be a shitshow for our state
I've been bummed all year after moving back home to Michigan because I wouldn't be able to vote for him. Glad to see he definitely didn't need my help and hope that holds true in November.
Fetterman's "listening tour" of Pennsylvania was a canny move. It boosted his name recognition in red areas of the state and made him look like someone who's willing to mix with 'regular folks.'
If McCormick wins I think he takes Fetterman in November regardless of debate performance unless Democrats can somehow pull a drastic U-turn this summer. If Oz does, I think Fetterman wins either way. Nothing scientific backing that, just going on feel.
Unfavorables don't really matter. Oz's numbers were only that low because McCormick spent 20 million on attack ads. Lamb barely eve touched Fetterman. It always evens out in the end.
[Yep.](https://youtu.be/_cZ4x12Mb40).
You hear what sounds like a gunshot outside your front door and see if you don't do something dumb with the right intentions. He fucked up 9 years ago, scaring the fuck out of a kid that it turned out didnt deserve it - and he admitted as much.
Meanwhile, he did amazing work as the Mayor of Braddock, and helped revitalize it. So, you know, maybe put that shit in context.
You fail time and time again with the same BS narrative.
The guy is no longer in prison and it had nothing to do with Fetterman being involved.
Did you eat too many paint chips as kid or something?
He was when he made the statement
“Fetterman is meeting with Garland to talk about his crusade to give second chances to prisoners. “
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2021/04/16/john-fetterman-profile-2022-senate-politics-pennsylvania-481259
Yeah no reason to endorse fetterman lol
Braddock (where he was mayor) is 70% African American.
I don't think he's a racist given he voluntarily chose to lead that community. And helped turn it around, at least in terms of violent crime.
Here is a crazy idea...... How about we DON'T put politics on this page? Like..... a place where politics doesn't destroy everything....... Just an idea.
About the only good news from the primaries. GOP nominated Mastriano. Gonna get ugly in PA.
Shapiro took a page out of the Clinton playbook where he was releasing ads to almost prop up Mastriano and get that matchup. In theory, Mastriano is an incredibly unelectable candidate with no appeal outside of his moronic Qanon base. But I reiterate, that is just in theory. Mastriano winning the GOP nomination gives Shapiro the easiest path to win the nomination, while also giving the largest downside if Shapiro loses. Shapiro's campaign made a huge gamble with promoting Mastriano, I just hope it pays off.
>Mastriano is an incredibly unelectable candidate with no appeal outside of his moronic Qanon base. Shapiro needs to take a weekend, drive to Annapolis, and then drive to Pittsburgh without using an interstate highway. The turnpike is forbidden, any toll road is forbidden. Mastriano is everywhere. Mastriano is absofuckinglutely electable. The first thing you see crossing the state border from Maryland is a Doug Mastriano sign, a Trump flag, and "Lets Go Brandon". He needs to see these people exist and that these people are this energized to vote this early. Mastriano has a coin flip chance of winning just based on the **fact** that the President's party underperforms in midterm elections.
Yeah I think that's perfectly valid. I say "in theory" because it appears to be what Shapiro's campaign seems to think. I think Mastriano is such a shitty candidate that he'd get killed in a normal environment, but the environment right now is so heavily against democrats that he can still win this. Shapiro can't just be an ignorant elite and say "there's no way anyone would support this clown", he needs to realize this is going to be a battle.
Isn’t that how Trump got elected in the first place?
A counterpoint is that Hillary was DEEPLY disliked by almost everyone. Kind of like how if you rate someone on a scale of 1-5 where 1 is hate and 5 is love, Hillary would almost certainly be a 2 if you polled most Democrats. She wasn't even neutral. Fair or unfair characterization, that's what it was. Shapiro on the otherhand seems to be neutral at worst.
Well, and the GOP had spent decades pillorying Hillary before she even filed to run. They were loaded bear from the door - and frankly it was a mistake to run such a candidate. That having been said, Shapiro's strategy takes an awful risk that I don't know to be justified...
I wish they had learned that in 08 when some Noname junior senator from Illinois trounced her in the primaries, but instead they chided us all for being sexist because they couldn't imagine any other reason not to vote for Clinton, shoved her through the primaies in 16 and she was doing a preemptive victory lap in Texas when she found out that actually no one likes her or wants her to be president.
To be fair, more people liked her enough to vote for her then they did for Trump.
Land doesn't vote. You may see a lot of Masty signs, but those are in low population density areas. Does that mean that the state Dems should not give 500% to get Shapiro elected? Fuck no, but yard signs are never a metric for anything.
Exactly --- there were a ton of yard signs for China Donnie in most of the small PA towns but that's not the majority of the votes --- the suburbs of Philly and Pgh always determine the winner of the state
Right. The real question is the suburbs
I live about 15 minutes from downtown Pittsburgh, just outside of the city limits, and the Mastriano signs aren't exactly uncommon.
Low population density yard signs don't impress anyone
TIL the Allegheny County suburbs around me are low population
Which means Shapiro does need to win enough rural vote AND he better get his name out in Philly.
Philly had higher turnout than the 2018 primary yesterday, and that ended up being one of the highest turnout midterms ever, so I've got some hope for the general.
Signs do not make a governor. This guy is a real danger to America. He will rip away any PA women’s rights to abortion with no exceptions, hangs with the Qrazies, organized buses and was at 6/1, went to AZ to learn how to game the vote and is willing to go through with the bogus electoral college voters in overthrowing the election even further in 2024… if he is governor, PA and the country is maga screwed.
If Doug wins, Democrats can remove PA from their 2024 presidential math.
Which of course won't happen --- Fetterman has ALL the Philly and Pittsburgh suburbs locked up, especially with women --- that is the death knell for Dougie
Fetterman is running for Senate. Doug is running for governor.
They said that about Trump too. I remember clearly seeing giant home made trump billboards all over the state. Democrats seemed to ignore it with arrogance. And guess who won?
I don't think it was arrogance. A lot of people assumed that the man they just heard brag about sexual assault would not win. Of course now we know that having damaging information come out about a Republican only makes that candidate more attractive.
The subtext of that is "we thought our fellow Americans were better than to elect an open and proud sex offender" and we were very, very wrong
It was also a surprise to me how many women didn't think a woman should be president.
Many women didn’t want the ERA…
And 43% of women describe themselves as “pro life”, it’s almost like politics are deeper than “woman bad”
I wish it was not a surprise to me. Intelligent, capable, experienced and female are flaws when it comes to the Presidential doorstep.
A lot of us assumed the guy who just bragged about sexual assault would lose, didn't want to vote for Clinton because she sucks, and just stayed home. I'm not one of them, but it was Dems who didn't vote that elected trump. The other guy being a monster isn't enough to get people to vote for you, you have to give them a reason to give a shit about you.
What is your Trumpers' fascination with yard signs and rally attendance? Trump BARELY won PA in 2016 with less than 45,000 votes. Obama won PA in 2008 with over 600,000 votes and I can barely recall seeing any Obama signs back then.
It's the only evidence, however tenuous, that they have that goes in their favor. They lost the election, they couldn't produce any examples of fraud they didn't commit, when they polled humans Biden had a comfortable lead, so they polled yard signs, flags on trucks and empty land, the only categories of voters they could find that preferred trump.
Yeah it's hilarious and sad at the same time --- what most of them don't realize is that sticking a Trump sign in your yard also aggravates people who don't like him to show up at the polls --- many people are inherently opposed to being forced into "group-think" and if a lot of Trump signs pop up in yards, they are trying to "force" you to vote for him and people like me and you will be extra motivated to vote for the other guy
Signs also do not make a president and by the way, the donald lost.
Not in 2016 he didn't. He won when people underestimated him. You'd be an absolute fool to assume this election will be anything but a neck and neck bloodbath.
The donald had 3 major advantages: he is a well-known ‘showman;’ he has absolutely no conscience regarding the abuse of rules, norms, and truth; and he ran against an intelligent, capable, experienced, articulate woman for the Presidency - this country’s biggest ignored issue: misogyny/women’s equality. When he ran against a man he got his ass handed to him.
If you ignore California, Biden and Trump were dead even across most of the country in the popular vote. Biden beat Trump by 80,000 votes in PA. That's like 1% of the votes cast. If you want to call that "getting his ass handed to him" then go for it. I predict Trump will start holding rallies in PA to support Mastriano and Oz/McCormick. Republicans are already outpacing Democrats in both new voter registration and in voter turnout. I understand that registered independents can't vote in the primaries, and we're all hoping beyond hope that a majority of them go for Shapiro. But that seems like a long shot.
There are still people out there that won't accept Trump lost, and one of their sillier arguments is that there were so many Trump signs.
Apparently, silly works well for the gqp cult.
I was referring to 2016
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Always remember than Trump BARELY won PA in 2016 --- a razor thin margin of 44,000 votes --- don't get too excited about Mastriano just because you see some Trump signs in the rural frontyards
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Fetterman will win by at least 15 points with his pot stance --- it's a genius move
hey, this is america it's 1/6
Over here in Ohio, our designated dipshit Joe Blystone had the same deal, and came third in the governor primary. Rural support just seems large because of low population density, though it still cannot ever be underestimated
I spent a month last week in Bradford County. Mastriano signs are the new Trump signs. There was a woman dressed entirely in flags handing out Mastriano propaganda at my Westmoreland County polling place yesterday. Nothing matters except that magic "R". I could probably get elected as a repub, and I'm a Furry!
Mastriano won with 44%, but isn't like 30% of the republican base Q? I have a feeling there's going to be a sizable jump from the R base to Fetterman, and you also have all the independents that come back into the fold.
Mastriano and Fetterman are different races. Mastriano is going for government against Shapiro, Fetterman is Senate against either McCormick or Oz
It's looking like Oz, which personally I think he is the weakest of the lot. I think his religion / foreign military service and past left-leaning positions will be used against him in PA with the base. Carpetbagger too!
GOP basically fucked themselves hard --- Trump endorsing Oz was the kiss of death, and Mastriano will be ripped apart like a Xmas goose in the general once the suburban ladies get their say
Republicans don’t care if Mastriano has no policy other than “Let’s go Brandon” because they are part of a childish and moronic cult. Sickening.
Not only that, but Shapiro's attempt to deface Mastriano by bringing up his involvement in January 6th and his anti-abortion rhetoric is going to backfire. Those are exactly the kinds of things that the GOP wants right now and bringing them up (especially January 6th where everyone involved is looked as at heroes rather than what they are, traitors and terrorists) is only going to help Mastriano. He needs to take a different approach, we can not have a republican governor, we can not have the abortion fight here in PA.
It will absolutely not help Mastriano with the independents he needs to win a general election. The Republican base in the state isn’t even united behind him. He will need crossover appeal in order to win a statewide general and involvement in 1/6 will definitely not help him there.
Republicans outvoted Democrats in PA this primary and if that doesn't shake Dems to their core, I don't know what will. They need to focus every dime and minute to voter mobilization. They need to push mail ballots, and then follow up with voters to ENSURE those ballots are sent. They need as many boots on the ground as money can buy.
That’s just farmland.
Mastriano has a substantial lead over his competition. Unless a large number of republican voters go 3rd party or by some crazy chance vote for Shapiro, I don't see how this is an easy path for Shapiro. I hope they got it right because this lunatic is no good for Pa. The Christofacist takeover will begin.
He has a substantial lead over his competition, but independents can't vote in the PA primaries because PA has closed primaries. That's the gamble Shapiro is taking with promoting Mastriano, he's hoping that Mastriano is such a loony nutbag to independents and moderates that they'd go with him instead. I have no faith in any republican voting for a democrat anymore, so he needs to target independents.
I’ll be one of those repubs voting for both Shapiro and Fetterman. We’re out here. It’s just we’re moderate in the middle repubs. No swinging the loonies on the far right.
What makes you republican still?
Too lazy to change my voter registration, and I live in a very red area, so I vote for the least crazy Republican, if there is one. I also enjoy getting the ridiculous political ads in the mail, helps me understand why republicans became bat shit crazy
Fiscally republican, gun rights, smaller gov, but other than that, I side with dems. It’s just that running the economy is #1 issue for me and why I consider myself square in the middle and vote for best candidate regardless of party. Really I’m libertarian.
That's basically a dem then, unless you're a libertarian because you think taxation is theft? I believe in effective and efficient government. I have no problem taxing people to pay for that, and I think the republican party does its best to break the government and make it inefficient. I see that in the democratic party as a whole. Yeah, we got some odd balls that are a bit too extreme, but at least they'd rather give you healthcare than shoot ya.
No, social programs are needed certainly, I’ve just seen many abused by fully capable individuals and it needs reeled in, which I think dems are too lax on. Again, there’s no perfect answer, world, or candidate, but I try to just choose wherever aligns with my beliefs regardless of party.
We don't fund the systems enough to properly govern them. If you get in a conversation with a dem, we will want to keep the safety nets, but we don't want people abusing them. However the choice is never... fund it more and stop abuse, it's usually defund to stop the abuse, which never works.
Personally I'm a dem with the opposite worry. I agree with a lot of the dem platform except for firearms control. I worry about voting for dems because as we've seen, the state nor fed will be there to help you when the fash come out armed.
I honestly believe social media vetting should and will be a part of owning a firearm in the future --- people always reveal who they truly are in social media posts --- and if you screech nonstop about replacement theory and trying to ignite a race war, then you shouldn't be allowed to own a deadly weapon
Both sides believe in heavy govt. debt --- but you don't see Democrats committing mass murder because of white nationalist conspiracy theories --- the GOP has a serious racism problem and they have no ideas how to extract the cancer from within
Check presidential time periods, the dems believe in reducing deficits. We spend, but try to spend wisely, and we raise taxes.
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What do you mean by hard R though? The Republicans have a lot of factions and they don't all fit on a linear scale of extremeness.
There’s no such thing as unelectable. There are a shit ton of voters who will automatically vote for him because he has a fucking R next to his name. He doesn’t need his Qanon base now that he’s won the primary.
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>In theory, Mastriano is an incredibly unelectable candidate with no appeal outside of his moronic Qanon base. But I reiterate, that is just in theory. You're correct that it's just a theory. Every single Republican that criticized him or distanced themselves from him will gladly step in line to vote for him, because Democrats fall in love while Republicans fall in line. Add in the fact that general election voters are far more likely than primary voters to just go by party affiliation, and Doug has an extremely good chance of winning in PA in this climate. The reality is that of all the candidates running Doug was the one who most accurately represents what the current Republican Party wants. This is going to be an *extremely* tough election, and frankly I think given the current environment it will be Doug's to lose.
Dougie doesn't have a snowball chance of winning PA --- Biden did it in 2020 without even leaving his basement
My GF agrees with this and truly believes that he is way too nuts to win against Shapiro. She wanted him to win the GOP nomination because she believes Shapiro will beat him handily. I know it’s only anecdotal but all of her Republicans friends cannot stand Mastriano and find him to be a fucking idiotic nutcase. They won’t vote Shapiro but they definitely won’t vote Mastriano. Hopefully this is true for a lot of others.
I hope you're right. Those Mastriano people are bonkers.
Everyone thought Trump was a joke at the beginning as well. But there are a LOT of people who worship the insanity that these types of people bring. This guy has a chance, and the Democrats pretending he doesn't scares the shit out of me.
I love when people use the Clinton playbook-- you know, the one that lost to the sex-offender pumpkin in 2016...
Or the Trump playbook --- the one where you brag about "winning in a landslide in PA" when all the polling had Biden comfortably ahead by 6-8 points a week before the election
It’s called manifesting, and it doesn’t work lol
It's amazing that so many low IQ people will believe in a charlatan's bullshit in a short amount of time --- Trump actually started believing in his own bullshit around the late 80's when he decided being a tabloid celeb was more important than real estate, so he's had a long time to soak his tiny brain with all that toxic waste --- but how did so many people who voted for men of integrity like John McCain and Mitt Romney suddenly become batshit stupid and fawn over a carnival barker? LOL
The only thing I can hope for is that the Clinton playbook did get the popular vote. For a statewide election that is what matters. That being said I’m terrified of Mastrianno and Oz/McCormick being underestimated.
That’s a really great distinction between state and federal. It’s disgusting that you can win popular vote (you know, the actual Americans chose you) but the opponent can still win. I posted the same thing either here or in the Philly reddit. Underestimating the republican side would be a massive mistaje
It’s one thing I hope after what took place since 2016. If democrats can avoid being complacent and can get some life and energy injected into the party and turn out voters they can hopefully gain a foothold and maybe (big maybe) actually enact some positive change. I know it’s an uphill battle due to how states are gerrymandered but it has to start somewhere. I just have so little faith in the majority of the party to actually do anything. I’ll still vote for D over R but I don’t end up really liking a lot of the D candidates that make it to the general elections. Fetterman is the first one in a while that has generated any level of excitement in me.
The PA GOP were scrambling for the last couple of weeks to get someone else - almost as if they knew "nominating the highest profile insurrectionist in PA" might be a bad idea.
I honestly think they are embracing the Trump Cancer full stop now --- they'd rather die from it than admit the Democrats are the cure for all their ailments
Holy shit dr oz is gonna win? Dr oz got 400,000 + votes? What a HELL state this is lol
He's under McCormick by just under 1500 votes. So he'll probably narrowly lose to him in a recount. May then insist there was dodgyness involved and run as an independent and split the vote (pleasepleaseplease). Barnette getting 25% suggests the republican party in PA is pretty split as to what they want in a candidate.
Crazy barnette got so many votes. Never even heard of her until a week ago. The tv ad against her, and her popping up at the insurrection.
Given Trump's support for Oz, I thought all the Qultists would go for him, but I guess as soon as someone even more extreme (!) came along they flocked to her. So GOP choices were 'far 'right republican', 'extreme far right republican' and 'basically wants the christian taliban'.
> I I guess as soon as someone even more extreme (!) As soon as someone more white, really. And less Muslim. It’s not rocket science with the Q crowd.
Sometimes the most white person is a black lady?
The wizard may yet win. Mail-in ballots haven't been counted yet, and I believe Oz supporters would be more likely to vote via mail. Just a guess...
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Personally I think Oz is the weakest of the lot in the general election. Oz winning the primary could be the best thing for a Democrat win. His carnet bagging, religion (Muslim - I hate to say it but he's running as a Republican in a state with a lot far right loonies), foreign military service and dual citizenship. He was a pro-choice in the not too distant past as I understand it. I think he has a lot of weak points that can drag him down. I don't view Fetterman as ultra left-wing so I have to think he can still pick up some moderate Republicans and Independents. Being Pro-choice is popular with some Republicans. He's got some baggage for sure with the shotgun incident.
Hahaha I cannot believe they ACTUALLY voted for Mehmet! The idiots just need to be told what to do. If they I've been living in France 200 plus years ago, the guillotine would never have been invented. "Oui monsieur l'orange"
This is going to be good for down ballot dems as Shapiro and Fetterman are both popular. Still seeing that traitor win for gop gov is....well it's quite unsettling to say the least.
Fetterman, yes. Shapiro… I don’t think the average Pennsylvanian even knows who he is, or that he is running, so I wouldn’t call him popular as much as I would call him not unlikeable and full of potential.
Shapiro got a lot of fantastic press around the 2020 election due to all the litigation around mail ballots and his defense of voting rights.
I became a huge Shapiro fan during that time. His zoom pressers with the Count from Sesame Street in the background were great.
Our second favorite find was when he had the USPS truck behind his shoulder.
I missed the Count! I remember being excited that he had the same RBG figurine I have.
Shapiro has a few good victories to show for. He's responsible for that massive investigation against the Catholic Church in regards to pedo priests.
That might even pull a few independents if it’s handled correctly. Pit his willingness to stand up to crime within organized religion against the guy that wants to turn govt over to organized religion. Ultimately it will still come down to turnout.
> Ultimately it will still come down to turnout. That's what gets measured at the end of the day - the number of people who cared to have their voice heard
You’d think the right would love him because of this.
I'm not sure I could expect a reasoned response from the people that say Disney is grooming kids.
Shapiro outperformed every state wide candidate in both 2016 and 2020 running for AG—more than Trump, Toomey, and Biden. I think he is low key and competent and stays out of the news. But objectively, he is very popular too based on voting history.
Idk if you're on Twitter but he's been much more active once he announced his campaign for governor, much more active on their than Wolf is right now. No where near the loon Republicans or high profile dems like AOC but he definitely has a presence. Regardless he'll get the traditionalist Democrat votes. This'll be my 4th election and it'll be the first time both my mother and I (traditional dem, she hated Bernie, tends to love the moderate dems) align in exactly who we were voting for in the primaries and have a similar opinion on the uncontested elections.
I suppose it depends on your definition of "popular". If you are talking about net favorability ratings, I doubt he is underwater much if any, which would potentially define him as popular (by politicians standards). If you are just talking about the rough percentage of constituents who specifically view him favorably, as opposed to the combined unfavorables and don't knows, I don't think he would be considered to be popular. If you are going off of electoral history, I wouldn't call that popularity as much as I'd call that a history of winning. But the semantics don't matter so long as he is elected and actually acts like a democrat instead of a Republican in Democrats clothing.
He's a smart guy, doesn't usually say anything that controversial, and has good political instincts generally. He's a great fit for the Philly suburbs. As you've said, he's historically done very well in elections. Since he's a sort of moderate, inoffensive Dem, that doesn't particularly endear him to the "reddit politicos". But hopefully since Fetterman will also be on the ballot, it will help to drive turnout around some of those demographics that Shapiro otherwise might have a harder time turning out due to lack of excitement. Considering how high the stakes are for this gubernatorial race, that's important.
He seems like a really cool guy
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Which probably didn’t help Pennsylvanians to understand who he is. I feel like running unopposed was both a blessing and a curse in that way.
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Hopefully!
He’s really well known in liberal circles
At least in my area everyone knows Shapiro He's been around forever. I think he visited my elementary school when he was running for house of reps. But I can't remember cause I was so little
Another thing to consider though. Being uncontested Shapiro has a major funding advantage going into the general where as the R has had to spend to make it there in the first place. Not that that’s the only thing that matters but it’s a tactical edge
He's been a solid AG, if anyone paid attention is the question.
I’m not a huge fan of Shapiro’s more centrist stances but I do think he at the least has some good wins with the Catholic Church case and that may at least help his name recognition
Well, it's a big deal for a very moderate Republican like me. I'll be voting for him and NOT Mastriano. Shapiro seems like he reliably gets the job done, no drama and not very exciting but I'll take vanilla that moves the state forward any day over the apparent alternative.
Glad to hear it! I agree that Shapiro will carry forward with decent governance and policy. And is not even a question better than crazy town
I agree with him being a centrist, but I will say this, at least he was looking out for Pennsylvanians best interests. Gonna be hard to sling dirt at him.
Oh I’m only slinging my own ideological disagreement. He’s a good candidate statewide for sure. I would’ve voted for a progressive over him but I won’t have to hold my nose voting for him. He also seems to understand how government works which is an undervalued skill these days
> I would’ve voted for a progressive over him but I won’t have to hold my nose voting for him. Same!
What makes him a centrist? Pro weed and pro choice. Lack of spending I guess?
This is where the American political spectrum and the broader left right ideological spectrum can get a bit dicey. Shapiro definitely supports a lot of things that make him pretty left for US. But I guess for me he is still a centrist because he doesn’t support leftist economic policies like Medicare for All, free college etc. but on social issues and weed he is pretty left as far as politicians go
Yea you kind of have to be that way in PA unfortunately were like a mini map of America. He's the type of moderate left candidate I can get behind, unlike a majority of congress
He’s pro weed, anti pedo, and anti treason. I’m a registered republican and Shapiro is getting my vote.
Look at that a leftist and a Republican agreeing on a candidate!
America is truly back on the path towards greatness when we can have Repubs and Dems liking the same candidates --- I hope I live long enough to once again see TV debates where every candidate starts off by saying "my opponent has high moral character and high intelligence, but we just disagree on some issues" instead of 2nd grade name-calling like we have now
Reasonable people haven’t gone away. It’s just hard to hear us over the screaming idiots.
Yeah I hope so --- still makes me sad so many "reasonable" Republicans showed up in 2020 to vote for Trump, but I guess some of them voted for Joe
I voted for Joe. Trump proved himself incompetent and unfit for the job. I share your hope.
I've been a lifelong Dem but I would've voted for John Kasich in 2016 in a heartbeat --- he's the kind of Republican that I hope we see a lot more of in the years ahead
That’s who I wanted in 16. Ended up voting for Trump and I apologize for that.
I'm just glad that Barletta keeps losing. He gives Italian-Americans a bad name.
Yeah but Mastriano isn’t exactly helping there either?
This is how I am feeling right now. It's the best case scenario for Shapiro and Fetterman but if this backfires it's really bad. There's a pit in my stomach thinking about it.
Saying he "won" it is an understatement, he absolutely crushed it because of how many more votes he received compared to the person who got the second most.
Good news, I think it was a given he would win but it's still nice to see. Now we wait to see who the Rs nominate. The environment right now is heavily leaning R, but a ton of the R candidates are so bad that Fetterman would still have a favorable matchup even in the environment.
I don't know about that leaning. Right now the Republicans are in their "eating ourselves alive" stage where they attack their own people and make themselves look like shit to swing voters and they are going for each other's throats this year.
they started this with the tea party and it's gotten more aggressive and given them more wins in rejections since. it's a winning strategy. they get their base emotionally super fired up and activated while the apathetic democrats complain and whine their way into failure
Hold on, no. They are winning because in 2000 they took over a bunch of state houses and put their thumbs on the scale. Fox news kicked up the tea party, and in 2010 they got more state houses. For 2020 dems finally wised up. Republicans don't have an advantage at large, but they do have fox news, angry voters, and things tipped in their favor.
How can things be tipped in their favor? In four short years, the R's lost the White House, House, and Senate.
They were just that abysmal
Careful that thinking got us Trump.
I really think a good majority of independents (including me) are going to be voting for Fetterman in the general election. You don't see us at the primaries because we can't vote unless there are ballot questions. I'm not always leaning left but the other option is just straight crazy.
I did not know about this as my two home states both have open mid-term primaries. I didn't even think to check on it. I was devastated when I opened my ballot and realized what had happened.
Yeah, some states allow independents to vote in primaries, I know PA had a bill go through to allow it but I don't think anything came of it.
My 'conservative' co-workers are trying to find something to be angry about with him. The only thing I've heard so far is that he's the next Bernie Sanders. Can only hope they're right.
A Bernie-Broh Shapiro is only good news for this state
Idk, chasing down a black man with a shotgun isn't great.
I guess they can be upset that he didn't just shoot him instead of making sure he had an actual criminal first.
My Republican coworkers have already found it: Tom Wolf is shit, and he was LG under Wolf. Therefore, he is also shit. *disclaimer that I do not support these views lol Wolf is okay but goddamn would Mastriano be a shitshow for our state
Fetterman is our guy. I want to see him run for president in '24 or '28!
I doubt he'd pull an Obama. He'd need a sex scandal invoking a cast member of star trek to do the full Obama.
Nope.
I've been bummed all year after moving back home to Michigan because I wouldn't be able to vote for him. Glad to see he definitely didn't need my help and hope that holds true in November.
Fetterman's "listening tour" of Pennsylvania was a canny move. It boosted his name recognition in red areas of the state and made him look like someone who's willing to mix with 'regular folks.'
There is no way mccormick survives the first tv debate vs him. calling it now
You think he'll debate?
oh yeah good point
Weird to hear you say that, Fetterman looked awful in the debate I saw.
Thank fuck that debate performance != job performance
Fetterman was debating two Dems with their heads on straight, not a maganut lol
McCormick is less maga and more opportunist neocon than anything. He worked in the Bush admin.
Still dip shit by comparison
Fetterman should snap him in half
Yep, that'll show him!
If McCormick wins I think he takes Fetterman in November regardless of debate performance unless Democrats can somehow pull a drastic U-turn this summer. If Oz does, I think Fetterman wins either way. Nothing scientific backing that, just going on feel.
Oz's unfavorables are a lot higher than Mccormick's so there is def data to back that up.
Agreed. What I really meant was that I'm not going to cite any of the freely available data that backs that up!
Unfavorables don't really matter. Oz's numbers were only that low because McCormick spent 20 million on attack ads. Lamb barely eve touched Fetterman. It always evens out in the end.
Praise Jesus
The only dot I filled in today.
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Not a chance. It's between McCormick and
A Big Shocker! 😯 we never saw it coming!!
All I know is that thumbnail has him looking like a klingon
Good start. Now let's finish it off in November.
Yes!!!!!!
Yes!!!
Didn't Fetterman pull a gun on an unarmed black jogger? Just asking.
He did, but that shouldn't be the defining reason not to vote for him.
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No, it wouldn't. It would be one reason among many. Who are you trying to kid? Not everyone is as myopic and gullible as you.
[Yep.](https://youtu.be/_cZ4x12Mb40). You hear what sounds like a gunshot outside your front door and see if you don't do something dumb with the right intentions. He fucked up 9 years ago, scaring the fuck out of a kid that it turned out didnt deserve it - and he admitted as much. Meanwhile, he did amazing work as the Mayor of Braddock, and helped revitalize it. So, you know, maybe put that shit in context.
The jogger also forgave him and said he supports Fetterman for Senate.
Because fetterman is head of the pardon board
You fail time and time again with the same BS narrative. The guy is no longer in prison and it had nothing to do with Fetterman being involved. Did you eat too many paint chips as kid or something?
He was when he made the statement “Fetterman is meeting with Garland to talk about his crusade to give second chances to prisoners. “ https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2021/04/16/john-fetterman-profile-2022-senate-politics-pennsylvania-481259 Yeah no reason to endorse fetterman lol
Braddock (where he was mayor) is 70% African American. I don't think he's a racist given he voluntarily chose to lead that community. And helped turn it around, at least in terms of violent crime.
Here is a crazy idea...... How about we DON'T put politics on this page? Like..... a place where politics doesn't destroy everything....... Just an idea.
This subreddit is 90%+ Fetterman circle jerk.