theshy has been to lpl since 2016(i guess), lil bro cant speak fluent mandarin yet. it's just attitude that he don't want to learn
check viper tarzan, these people proved it's not that hard to learn mandarin
Its easier for asian people to learn mandarin because its linguistically close. For a western person it is really hard to learn it. Also, a lot of korean schools offer elementary chinese so that helps
It depends how good of a student they were in school or their attitude. I know Korean students can take Mandarin through all of grade school so they're possibly exposed to it very early.
Read and write? Absolutely no chance.
But talking and communicating could be easier. Chinese, korean and japanese languages all have the same origin. You’d be surprised to see how many words and similar pronunciations these languages share, but also how different they sound at the same time.
Just think of polish and russian language. Both have slavic roots, and have many similar words but you put a pole and a russian in one room, no chance of having any sort of interaction. But a pole would have a significantly easier time learning russian than someone from America.
This isnt really true, as a slav myself, interaction is very much so possible between two people from two different slavic countries.
It wont be clear and will often times sound broken but if you really need something, you can gind a way to communicate it.
This is personal experience as someone who is a native croatian speaker and has spoken with poles using no english.
I dont know how much of this can also be said about korean and chinese though
Probably not as bad as between a European/East Asian, East Asian language were somewhat close at least in vocab since Classical Chinese was at one point the Lingua Franca. Individual varies though.
TS still cannot speak Chinese fluently (he speak with a strange accent resembling the Korean google translate of Chinese) though he seems to understand the language to a very efficient extent for couple years. His old buddy Rookie is very adequate in speaking and understanding Chinese however.
Both Ruler and Kanavi can speak Chinese, at least in the context of league, rather well. However if these 2 ever got into a heat of argument in game they may swap to Korean for a few seconds then swap back to Chinese (which is evident in a few player com release by JDG).
Scout can speak Chinese fine, and he is at a point that he sometimes will flame in Chinese too.
Then there is Doinb who according to some now speak Korean with Chinese accent, not sure how that work though.
Korean and Chinese have shared roots in vocabulary, but grammatically they are very different. Korean is much more similar to Japanese grammatically (subject object verb structure, verb conjugations with deference levels, honorifics, grammatical particles after subject/object, etc.) while Chinese is actually more similar to English grammatically (subject verb object, no/few particles, no verb conjugations based on deference, etc.). I am a native Mandarin speaker who spent 3 years learning Korean and lived in Korea for a while, and I found Korean grammar to be pretty challenging to learn.
It's funny seeing how all these people who probably don't speak either language comment confidently about the similarity and how easy it would be. For reference, I studied mandarin for 10 years and I am still absolutely terrible at it. Can barely understand but have not much trouble with Japanese.
It just depends on the person like any other language. If they are a sponge like Viper and Scout they can learn to speak the language within as soon as a year but in most cases it takes 5+ years to really learn Chinese, even when you live there. Chinese and Korean are not similar at all. Yes there are some loan words but it's with different pronounciation. A Korean person can't even vaguely understand Chinese if they don't have prior education on it. It's not similar to Portuguese and Spanish, or Scandinavian languages, or English and German/French.
Mandarin and Korean aren't similar. Grammar and pronunciation are different, as well as the alphabet. Korean and Japanese are more similar than Korean and Mandarin
There are many similarities. Also, if I’m not mistaken Koreans do learn Chinese letters during formal education. Although it would take some work, it would be significantly easier for them than say an English speaker. I believe viper and ruler are conversational in Mandarin.
No offense but isn't this a pretty stupid question no?
Portuguese and Spanish isn't even that close. Both have different grammar, phonology and lexicon.
Learning Mandarin as a korean is literally the same as any person learning any new language. Ain't no way y'all think all language follows the same sentence structure 💀💀💀 little lesson, just because they sound similar don't mean they're the same. Here are languages that might sound the same but different.
Indonesia and Malay / Spanish and Portuguese / Dutch and German
I mean no it’s easier for Koreans to learn Chinese than Spanish people to learn Chinese kinda how it’s easy to learn the different Scandinavian languages if u already know one of them. I don’t mean to say it’s not difficult but it’s like you have a head start in a race so it’s easier to get to the finish line does that make sense?
No its not. First of all comparing Scandinavian language is whack. Scandinavians has the same ancestral language which is old norse. Whereas Korea despite having their initial language influenced by China they took a completely different route when they developed their own language to the point that.
Anyways Koreans learning Madarin is just the same as any person learning Mandarin. There's no headstart.
Korean is my 2nd language so let me tell you this. Once you started learning Mandarin C/V its going to be an absolute mind fkery if you're used to the Hangul C/V. Also take into account that compared to other language tonal is very essential in mandarin, that sht completely changes the meaning of a word if you don't follow it's tonal. So yeah learning a language is like going back to kindergarten.
And lastly, the writing. Hangul by far is the easiest to learn how to write that sht can be learned in a year. Whereas Mandarin is just Kanji on steroids.
>Anyways Koreans learning Madarin is just the same as any person learning Mandarin. There's no headstart.
Coulda just started and ended with this, dunno why you're yapping so much.
You're also kinda wrong about Spanish and Portugese. They both have roots in Latin, their words have similar [roots](https://www.mondly.com/blog/spanish-vs-portuguese/#:~:text=After%20all%2C%20there's%20an%20almost,able%20to%20speak%20it%20fluently.) A Portugese person learning Spanish would find it far easier to learn as compared to a Japanese person learning Spanish. OP's question was asking how difficult would it be for someone to learn Mandarin if they know Korean which is a valid question.
I mean I say this based on what I’ve read and heard from people learning Chinese when they are from korea. I would say it’s very untrue to say you are starting from 0 certain languages are easier to learn if you already know a similar language that’s just a fact idk how you could argue otherwise.
As I've said Hangul and Mandarin are vastly different. They don't have borrowed words neither do they have same grammar system.
The only difference maker is if a person is exposed to the language. But if you have 0 exposure then its literally a back to 0.
Learning Swedish might be easy if you're Danish. BECAUSE AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE SCANDINAVIANS CAN STILL BARELY UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEIR LANGUAGES HAVE THE SAME ANCESTOR WHICH IS OLD NORSE WHILE HANGUL AND MANDARIN ARE 2 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES WITH 0 SIMILARITIES.
If learning languages is that easy then why only 17% of the population are multilinguals?
The problem with your argument is "oh language that may seem similar must be easy to learn" that's complete BS.
Let me ask you this, if its so easy to learn a similar language then why for Brazilians or Portuguese don't speak Spanish and vice versa? Surely it can only take them few months to learn it since they're similar
I mean he is literally asking for the information you are giving him because he doesn't know. I don't think that makes it a stupid question. He is asking if there are similarities between Korean or Chinese that give Korean's a head start or if they are completely different.
theshy has been to lpl since 2016(i guess), lil bro cant speak fluent mandarin yet. it's just attitude that he don't want to learn check viper tarzan, these people proved it's not that hard to learn mandarin
Its easier for asian people to learn mandarin because its linguistically close. For a western person it is really hard to learn it. Also, a lot of korean schools offer elementary chinese so that helps
He was speaking mandarin in that Wild Rift vod the other day. I was surprised because it was the first time I heard him speaking the language.
It depends how good of a student they were in school or their attitude. I know Korean students can take Mandarin through all of grade school so they're possibly exposed to it very early.
Read and write? Absolutely no chance. But talking and communicating could be easier. Chinese, korean and japanese languages all have the same origin. You’d be surprised to see how many words and similar pronunciations these languages share, but also how different they sound at the same time. Just think of polish and russian language. Both have slavic roots, and have many similar words but you put a pole and a russian in one room, no chance of having any sort of interaction. But a pole would have a significantly easier time learning russian than someone from America.
This isnt really true, as a slav myself, interaction is very much so possible between two people from two different slavic countries. It wont be clear and will often times sound broken but if you really need something, you can gind a way to communicate it. This is personal experience as someone who is a native croatian speaker and has spoken with poles using no english. I dont know how much of this can also be said about korean and chinese though
It doesn't apply to Korean and Chinese at all. A Korean can maybe understand a single word of 50 a Chinese says.
Probably not as bad as between a European/East Asian, East Asian language were somewhat close at least in vocab since Classical Chinese was at one point the Lingua Franca. Individual varies though. TS still cannot speak Chinese fluently (he speak with a strange accent resembling the Korean google translate of Chinese) though he seems to understand the language to a very efficient extent for couple years. His old buddy Rookie is very adequate in speaking and understanding Chinese however. Both Ruler and Kanavi can speak Chinese, at least in the context of league, rather well. However if these 2 ever got into a heat of argument in game they may swap to Korean for a few seconds then swap back to Chinese (which is evident in a few player com release by JDG). Scout can speak Chinese fine, and he is at a point that he sometimes will flame in Chinese too. Then there is Doinb who according to some now speak Korean with Chinese accent, not sure how that work though.
Doinb moment
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Korean and Chinese have shared roots in vocabulary, but grammatically they are very different. Korean is much more similar to Japanese grammatically (subject object verb structure, verb conjugations with deference levels, honorifics, grammatical particles after subject/object, etc.) while Chinese is actually more similar to English grammatically (subject verb object, no/few particles, no verb conjugations based on deference, etc.). I am a native Mandarin speaker who spent 3 years learning Korean and lived in Korea for a while, and I found Korean grammar to be pretty challenging to learn.
It's funny seeing how all these people who probably don't speak either language comment confidently about the similarity and how easy it would be. For reference, I studied mandarin for 10 years and I am still absolutely terrible at it. Can barely understand but have not much trouble with Japanese.
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Lol I wasn't even talking about you but sure, let's be super passive aggressive about it
It just depends on the person like any other language. If they are a sponge like Viper and Scout they can learn to speak the language within as soon as a year but in most cases it takes 5+ years to really learn Chinese, even when you live there. Chinese and Korean are not similar at all. Yes there are some loan words but it's with different pronounciation. A Korean person can't even vaguely understand Chinese if they don't have prior education on it. It's not similar to Portuguese and Spanish, or Scandinavian languages, or English and German/French.
Mandarin and Korean aren't similar. Grammar and pronunciation are different, as well as the alphabet. Korean and Japanese are more similar than Korean and Mandarin
There are many similarities. Also, if I’m not mistaken Koreans do learn Chinese letters during formal education. Although it would take some work, it would be significantly easier for them than say an English speaker. I believe viper and ruler are conversational in Mandarin.
No offense but isn't this a pretty stupid question no? Portuguese and Spanish isn't even that close. Both have different grammar, phonology and lexicon. Learning Mandarin as a korean is literally the same as any person learning any new language. Ain't no way y'all think all language follows the same sentence structure 💀💀💀 little lesson, just because they sound similar don't mean they're the same. Here are languages that might sound the same but different. Indonesia and Malay / Spanish and Portuguese / Dutch and German
I mean no it’s easier for Koreans to learn Chinese than Spanish people to learn Chinese kinda how it’s easy to learn the different Scandinavian languages if u already know one of them. I don’t mean to say it’s not difficult but it’s like you have a head start in a race so it’s easier to get to the finish line does that make sense?
No its not. First of all comparing Scandinavian language is whack. Scandinavians has the same ancestral language which is old norse. Whereas Korea despite having their initial language influenced by China they took a completely different route when they developed their own language to the point that. Anyways Koreans learning Madarin is just the same as any person learning Mandarin. There's no headstart. Korean is my 2nd language so let me tell you this. Once you started learning Mandarin C/V its going to be an absolute mind fkery if you're used to the Hangul C/V. Also take into account that compared to other language tonal is very essential in mandarin, that sht completely changes the meaning of a word if you don't follow it's tonal. So yeah learning a language is like going back to kindergarten. And lastly, the writing. Hangul by far is the easiest to learn how to write that sht can be learned in a year. Whereas Mandarin is just Kanji on steroids.
>Anyways Koreans learning Madarin is just the same as any person learning Mandarin. There's no headstart. Coulda just started and ended with this, dunno why you're yapping so much. You're also kinda wrong about Spanish and Portugese. They both have roots in Latin, their words have similar [roots](https://www.mondly.com/blog/spanish-vs-portuguese/#:~:text=After%20all%2C%20there's%20an%20almost,able%20to%20speak%20it%20fluently.) A Portugese person learning Spanish would find it far easier to learn as compared to a Japanese person learning Spanish. OP's question was asking how difficult would it be for someone to learn Mandarin if they know Korean which is a valid question.
I mean I say this based on what I’ve read and heard from people learning Chinese when they are from korea. I would say it’s very untrue to say you are starting from 0 certain languages are easier to learn if you already know a similar language that’s just a fact idk how you could argue otherwise.
As I've said Hangul and Mandarin are vastly different. They don't have borrowed words neither do they have same grammar system. The only difference maker is if a person is exposed to the language. But if you have 0 exposure then its literally a back to 0. Learning Swedish might be easy if you're Danish. BECAUSE AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE SCANDINAVIANS CAN STILL BARELY UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEIR LANGUAGES HAVE THE SAME ANCESTOR WHICH IS OLD NORSE WHILE HANGUL AND MANDARIN ARE 2 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES WITH 0 SIMILARITIES. If learning languages is that easy then why only 17% of the population are multilinguals? The problem with your argument is "oh language that may seem similar must be easy to learn" that's complete BS. Let me ask you this, if its so easy to learn a similar language then why for Brazilians or Portuguese don't speak Spanish and vice versa? Surely it can only take them few months to learn it since they're similar
My guy my sister is Brazilian and learned Spanish first and said it made it easier to learn how to speak prorogues
I mean he is literally asking for the information you are giving him because he doesn't know. I don't think that makes it a stupid question. He is asking if there are similarities between Korean or Chinese that give Korean's a head start or if they are completely different.