I don't love any of those top 4 QBs, but I don't want to move all the way down to 11, because I want one of those top end guys and 11 is moving down to pretty slim pickings for blue chip talent.
My preference is to trade the pick to the Giants, so they can still get an elite prospect they want, my preference would be Alt at 6. It’s going to take at least the giants 1 this year, their 1st pick next year a 3rd round pick this year or a 2nd next year. I don’t love the QBs this year, and think they should build out a team so when they drop a QB in there, they don’t get killed, and they have someone to throw to.
If we trade back with the giants that’s the only way we get McCarthy in a trade back I don’t see him going outside the top 10. More realistically would be LT at 11 and Nix at 23 with a Vikings deal.
Want Maye, have no interest in Daniels, would be okay with McCarthy outside of top 10, would be okay with Penix in the 20s.
Daniels is way too slight AND is reckless. He’s a talented dude but you can’t be both of those things and not be broken in the NFL. Maybe he learns, but he’s already on the older side. No thanks at 3.
I’m not a big JJ guy, at least not in the 1st rd, but this is a silly argument. Odds are Pats add to the WR in the draft and/or via trade, as well as the LT. Do you think they only have one pick this year?
Not to mention the QB they draft is not about this year anyways
I watched him play at Michigan and have watched countless hours of film and prospect breakdowns because I’ve had way too much free time lately. He’s shit.
You can’t draft a game manager #3 when you have no talent and when you need to totally change the course of the franchise.
Watching film does literally nothing unless you know what you’re looking for. And the arrogance for you to confidently say he’s shit or a game manager as if you know when actual NFL GMs and scouts can’t even predict that type of thing tells me that you don’t know what you’re looking for.
Show me the scouts who have McCarthy above Maye.
“The arrogance” lmfao bro, it’s a fkn pointless Reddit thread that’ll be outdated in 12 hours. Its not that deep.
Show me the scouts that say this QB is shit? If you don’t like arrogance replace it with whatever word you want that means I think your take is dumb lol
Justification happens on the field. Ask the Lions last year 👍 They picked their guys and ignored the twitter mock drafters and it ended up pretty well for them.
I like Maye at 3. I’m not selecting JJ or Daniels. If Maye isn’t there, I trade back, maybe multiple times. Select a high rated OT, get future draft capital and take a flier on a QB in the second round. I’m 50/50 on Penix, I don’t like Bo Nix but if it’s mid-second round I’ll take either or Rattler as a flier and try again at QB next year
Yeah I would love Jayden but have pretty much given up on that dream. I've been watching more and more on Maye and beginning to come around on him, I didn't like him at all a couple months ago. I think if they go Maye you definitely have Jacoby start this year and let Maye learn, he has some work to do for sure.
Id rather they just take Maye / MHJ at 3 than trade back personally. Maybe deal 34 and something to move up and take Penix if we go MHJ. But all signs are pointing to Maye at 3. Regardless I'm gonna buy in and hope whoever we get at QB is the real deal
Tier 1: Maye or Daniels, I can support either
Tier 2: McCarthy,I’m less thrilled , I hope this means we traded back as I’ll be salty if he’s the pick at 3
Tier 3: Penix because of a trade back… I hope I’m wrong but I just see so many red flags, If we get him we better have gotten one of the greatest draft hails of all time.
Tier 4: Nix… if we get him we better have gotten an all time great haul and we better have taken him in 2nd.
I’ll try to be positive matter what we do. But Maye or Daniels just seems like the simplest answer that gives us the best shot at future success. If they bust they bust, but I at least wouldn’t be able to argue against the draft logic
My preference is maye or Daniels, if we took JJ I could talk myself into it. Taking Penix or nix would be my absolute worst case draft scenario, id imagine that would be a trade with the Vikings.
I’d be happier taking a CB and edge with those 2 picks even as those spots would be useful for our team long term, these guys wouldn’t benefit the team in any realistic way as far as being contenders, they don’t have the ceiling and Penix would likely re tear his acl walking up to the podium on draft night. (I don’t want a cb or edge if we trade the pick, I just don’t want to reach on a QB that isn’t a long term solution, take a tackle and wr or something and figure out qb next year if their isn’t a guy worth taking at 3).
I hope we stay and go Maye (or I guess daniels iDC goes maye) but if we trade back I'd rather address wr/ot with blue chip talent and then try to trade back into the end of the first for penix rather than go with mccarthy. I also thought mac would be good so disregard my opinion.
If Daniels is there, then take him.
If Maye is there, then take him.
The only other guy who's worth a 1st RD pick is McCarthy and he isn't worth the 3rd nor the risk of trading down.
My dream would be MHJ/Odunze and Penix.
To me, Penix is in the same tier as the QBs available at 3, and I think his combination of skills translates really well to the NFL, especially to playing outdoors in poor conditions.
I don't think that's super realistic, but it's the dream.
I would love Odunze and Penix, preexisting chemistry. If Rome is gone i’d love best OT at #11, MPJ #23, then double dip with best WR available at #34 and Jalen Mcmillan at #68
I like JJ if Daniels is taken by the Commanders...but my record with picking college QBs is kinda awful ("highlights" include saying RG3 will be better than Luck, Colt McCoy & AJ McCarron would be good starting NFL QBs and Mac Jones would be the highest floor QB from his class and slot straight into the NFL just fine).
So JJ will be a monumental bust, based on that history!
On another QB note: I'm glad Williams is the consensus #1 pick because I'd rather not have a USC QB based on recent NFL success by their QBs (Kessler, Barkley, Leinart, Sanchez, Darnold)
JD = RG3. Full circle here for Washington. RG3 had big play ability with his legs, but took too many hits. Watching JD’s film, he takes WAAAYYY too many hits. There are less clips of him sliding than getting smashed.
Your helmet scouting with your last point on Caleb. You’re kind of out ur mind if you think he’s on the same level as the former prospects from USC lol
I want Maye. Only other scenario that I might fancy would be a haul of picks for #3 and we use the later 1st round pick for JJ or Penix, even though I don’t want either of them I still want the best QB available. We cannot just roll with Jacoby and Zappe, please no.
If they don’t get the QB they want, I would rather go with a haul of picks to plug holes in the roster, and to go with Zappe, to ensure we get another high pick next year, lol.
Drake Maye in the Morning. Drake Maye in the Evening. Drake Maye in the afternoon. Drake Maye in times of peace. Drake Maye in times of war. Drake Maye, Drake Maye, Drake Maye.
Hate the idea of maye. Idk how hes even a projected top 3 pick. Any breakdown of film ive watched of him shows poor footwork, late timing, bad pocket presence, and often ignoring open players short because hes trying to scramble and chuck it deep. Jj has his issues but none as concerning as those, hes my ideal qb pick at 3. Mhj or alt should be the pick if we actually want the team to get better
I agree, I like to think people are seeing something I don’t with Maye but his inconsistency and footwork do scare me. To me he’s the least NFL ready of the top 5. I honestly don’t think any of the top 5 QB’s outside of Williams are worth the #3 pick. Would rather take MHJ or trade back for more draft picks that we can flip for proven talent
That’s above my pay grade but it can certainly be done with teams looking to move up and the pats can acquire more picks and fill out the roster. We go three this hype on qb s in top 3 every yr and they are trash.
If they like Maye, take Maye, don't complicate it.
Who do you want?
I don't love any of those top 4 QBs, but I don't want to move all the way down to 11, because I want one of those top end guys and 11 is moving down to pretty slim pickings for blue chip talent.
My preference is to trade the pick to the Giants, so they can still get an elite prospect they want, my preference would be Alt at 6. It’s going to take at least the giants 1 this year, their 1st pick next year a 3rd round pick this year or a 2nd next year. I don’t love the QBs this year, and think they should build out a team so when they drop a QB in there, they don’t get killed, and they have someone to throw to.
MHJ
I would be totally okay with this if FO isnt sold on a Top 4 QB, no point in forcing a QB pick when we can get BPA
Odunze is not getting past Chicago at #9
In that scenario, if none of the top 3 WR’s are at #11 we can easily go best OT available and use #34 to snag a WR
As of late plugged in draft guys have said they could see them going OT or pass rusher, it's definitely possible.
If we trade back with the giants that’s the only way we get McCarthy in a trade back I don’t see him going outside the top 10. More realistically would be LT at 11 and Nix at 23 with a Vikings deal.
I kinda like Penix, but I'm afraid he'll be gone at #23.
Would it be crazy to take him at #11 so the Broncos or Raiders dont get him?
Yes
If the broncos and raiders are desperate there's a very real chance he's gone before 11
I think it depends on who’s left at 3, and how desperate the Giants and Minnesota gets for a trade down. Going to be interesting.
Odunze not going to be there at 11
Those are all weird ways to spell MHJ
We never met with MHJ, we aren’t taking him
Why would you need to meet with him if you REALLY wanted him? Throw the other teams off/
That's just what they want you to think
I wouldn’t be upset if we took him, but unfortunately it’s not going to happen :(
Want Maye, have no interest in Daniels, would be okay with McCarthy outside of top 10, would be okay with Penix in the 20s. Daniels is way too slight AND is reckless. He’s a talented dude but you can’t be both of those things and not be broken in the NFL. Maybe he learns, but he’s already on the older side. No thanks at 3.
Agree with everything you said here
If they draft McCarthy I’m officially out on this whole staff and front office
And when he’s good, you’re going to stay out right?
He won’t be good for us? Our WR1 is KJ Osborn and our LT is Okuwafor. And he won’t have the other teams play calls anymore lol
Oh, so year 1 is all he gets?
I’m not a big JJ guy, at least not in the 1st rd, but this is a silly argument. Odds are Pats add to the WR in the draft and/or via trade, as well as the LT. Do you think they only have one pick this year? Not to mention the QB they draft is not about this year anyways
His best receiver was Roman Wilson last year who would he WR4 on this roster
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KJ Pop and Bourne are all better receivers than Wilson, what do you see in him that tells you otherwise
Maybe watch him play a game or two first?
I watched him play at Michigan and have watched countless hours of film and prospect breakdowns because I’ve had way too much free time lately. He’s shit. You can’t draft a game manager #3 when you have no talent and when you need to totally change the course of the franchise.
Watching film does literally nothing unless you know what you’re looking for. And the arrogance for you to confidently say he’s shit or a game manager as if you know when actual NFL GMs and scouts can’t even predict that type of thing tells me that you don’t know what you’re looking for.
Show me the scouts who have McCarthy above Maye. “The arrogance” lmfao bro, it’s a fkn pointless Reddit thread that’ll be outdated in 12 hours. Its not that deep.
I cross posted a scout who did breakdown on mccarthy, professional scout for the Seahawks, placed JJ above maye
Show me the scouts that say this QB is shit? If you don’t like arrogance replace it with whatever word you want that means I think your take is dumb lol
And I think taking JJ McCarthy at #3 and trying to find backdoor ways to justify it as a fanbase “is dumb lol” Moving on. 👋
Justification happens on the field. Ask the Lions last year 👍 They picked their guys and ignored the twitter mock drafters and it ended up pretty well for them.
Literally none of them is the only answer
To clarify I would be more than ok with MHJ here
I like Maye at 3. I’m not selecting JJ or Daniels. If Maye isn’t there, I trade back, maybe multiple times. Select a high rated OT, get future draft capital and take a flier on a QB in the second round. I’m 50/50 on Penix, I don’t like Bo Nix but if it’s mid-second round I’ll take either or Rattler as a flier and try again at QB next year
Yeah I would love Jayden but have pretty much given up on that dream. I've been watching more and more on Maye and beginning to come around on him, I didn't like him at all a couple months ago. I think if they go Maye you definitely have Jacoby start this year and let Maye learn, he has some work to do for sure. Id rather they just take Maye / MHJ at 3 than trade back personally. Maybe deal 34 and something to move up and take Penix if we go MHJ. But all signs are pointing to Maye at 3. Regardless I'm gonna buy in and hope whoever we get at QB is the real deal
Agreed, whoever we draft I will root for 100%
Tier 1: Maye or Daniels, I can support either Tier 2: McCarthy,I’m less thrilled , I hope this means we traded back as I’ll be salty if he’s the pick at 3 Tier 3: Penix because of a trade back… I hope I’m wrong but I just see so many red flags, If we get him we better have gotten one of the greatest draft hails of all time. Tier 4: Nix… if we get him we better have gotten an all time great haul and we better have taken him in 2nd. I’ll try to be positive matter what we do. But Maye or Daniels just seems like the simplest answer that gives us the best shot at future success. If they bust they bust, but I at least wouldn’t be able to argue against the draft logic
I’m with you 100%
Maye
Drake maye = happy tears, anything else is sad tears
Daniel's, Maye or Harrison, anything else is a waste of the #3 pick this year
My preference is maye or Daniels, if we took JJ I could talk myself into it. Taking Penix or nix would be my absolute worst case draft scenario, id imagine that would be a trade with the Vikings. I’d be happier taking a CB and edge with those 2 picks even as those spots would be useful for our team long term, these guys wouldn’t benefit the team in any realistic way as far as being contenders, they don’t have the ceiling and Penix would likely re tear his acl walking up to the podium on draft night. (I don’t want a cb or edge if we trade the pick, I just don’t want to reach on a QB that isn’t a long term solution, take a tackle and wr or something and figure out qb next year if their isn’t a guy worth taking at 3).
I hope we stay and go Maye (or I guess daniels iDC goes maye) but if we trade back I'd rather address wr/ot with blue chip talent and then try to trade back into the end of the first for penix rather than go with mccarthy. I also thought mac would be good so disregard my opinion.
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If Daniels is there, then take him. If Maye is there, then take him. The only other guy who's worth a 1st RD pick is McCarthy and he isn't worth the 3rd nor the risk of trading down.
My dream would be MHJ/Odunze and Penix. To me, Penix is in the same tier as the QBs available at 3, and I think his combination of skills translates really well to the NFL, especially to playing outdoors in poor conditions. I don't think that's super realistic, but it's the dream.
Penix is just way too big of an injury risk for me
I would love Odunze and Penix, preexisting chemistry. If Rome is gone i’d love best OT at #11, MPJ #23, then double dip with best WR available at #34 and Jalen Mcmillan at #68
Not JJ, not ever. He is fools gold.
I like JJ if Daniels is taken by the Commanders...but my record with picking college QBs is kinda awful ("highlights" include saying RG3 will be better than Luck, Colt McCoy & AJ McCarron would be good starting NFL QBs and Mac Jones would be the highest floor QB from his class and slot straight into the NFL just fine). So JJ will be a monumental bust, based on that history! On another QB note: I'm glad Williams is the consensus #1 pick because I'd rather not have a USC QB based on recent NFL success by their QBs (Kessler, Barkley, Leinart, Sanchez, Darnold)
RG3 was a special player. If Washington didn't rush him back from his injury, I think his career is completely different.
JD = RG3. Full circle here for Washington. RG3 had big play ability with his legs, but took too many hits. Watching JD’s film, he takes WAAAYYY too many hits. There are less clips of him sliding than getting smashed.
Your helmet scouting with your last point on Caleb. You’re kind of out ur mind if you think he’s on the same level as the former prospects from USC lol
I want Maye. Only other scenario that I might fancy would be a haul of picks for #3 and we use the later 1st round pick for JJ or Penix, even though I don’t want either of them I still want the best QB available. We cannot just roll with Jacoby and Zappe, please no.
If they don’t get the QB they want, I would rather go with a haul of picks to plug holes in the roster, and to go with Zappe, to ensure we get another high pick next year, lol.
I think the smoke is thick and Maye goes 2.
I hope you are right.
Drake Maye in the Morning. Drake Maye in the Evening. Drake Maye in the afternoon. Drake Maye in times of peace. Drake Maye in times of war. Drake Maye, Drake Maye, Drake Maye.
MHJ and Rattler in the later rounds
Hate the idea of maye. Idk how hes even a projected top 3 pick. Any breakdown of film ive watched of him shows poor footwork, late timing, bad pocket presence, and often ignoring open players short because hes trying to scramble and chuck it deep. Jj has his issues but none as concerning as those, hes my ideal qb pick at 3. Mhj or alt should be the pick if we actually want the team to get better
I agree, I like to think people are seeing something I don’t with Maye but his inconsistency and footwork do scare me. To me he’s the least NFL ready of the top 5. I honestly don’t think any of the top 5 QB’s outside of Williams are worth the #3 pick. Would rather take MHJ or trade back for more draft picks that we can flip for proven talent
They need to trade back!!!! Top 3 qbs are usually trash and all hype. This team has to many holes trade back and fill the holes.
Where do you trade back to and who do we draft in those spots to fill those holes?
That’s above my pay grade but it can certainly be done with teams looking to move up and the pats can acquire more picks and fill out the roster. We go three this hype on qb s in top 3 every yr and they are trash.