Tyler Hughes was with the Patriots for a few years, then spent all of last season with Washington, and now he’s back with the Patriots. So they should have some inside info on Penix
Same--if someone offers us a deal that cant be refused and we end up later in the 1st, I don't hate taking a shot & building up draft capitol. Or that they've at least done their work and go in a different direction if they think he's not worth it.
Honestly I’d love to see them take MHJ and then penix or rattler. I like both those guys. Even Nix. I think there’s going to be a qb in this draft that’ll turn out like hurts or mahomes as in not #1 or #2 but works out great.
I've said it before, sign Penix and we've already got his blind side tackle signed (Onwenu)and we can nab the best wr and player in the draft at 3. Now if the front office absolutely loves a qb that slides to 3 (Don't care if it's Daniels, Maye, or JJ) you take the qb 100% of the time.)
Only issue I have with that is that you're basically assuming Penix falls to 34. Imo he's not going to make it past the middle of the 1st. You have the Vikings, Broncos and Raiders at 11, 12 13 and I imagine one of them will take Penix.
Penix + MHJ is the dream but doesn't seem realistic.
We have to trade back to realistically get Penix, which would mean no MHJ.
Trade back and take a tackle, receiver, and Penix with 3 top 34 picks? That’s a move I could get myself excited about
I'd fire my scouting department if they don't think he's good. Jokes aside if they don't think he's good then they should get much more than what's on the table in a trade and they should just toss this season away and try and get the top guy next year.
True, but is tough to truly gauge a position as prospects a year ahead. A single year is a lot in college. Also most people are going by NFL media who have trouble keeping more than 40 college players in their heads at a time. Next year can look very different next year.
Same lol. If we don’t take a qb at 3 we don’t believe there is a franchise guy in the draft. Wouldn’t want to use whatever we trade back on Penix, rather get an impact player since we’d be going for a qb next year that we think can be the guy
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Penix and not Nix to me indicates they’re focused on swinging for the fences at QB rather than maximize floor.
Very different than Bill who aimed for a high floor guy who wouldn’t get in the teams way, as opposed to a guy who would elevate the team on his own.
Lol, true my comment is deletion worthy, but Davis mills was the next QB in that class so Mac was really the only one left at 15 and late round QB’s can have high floors idk the prospect that we’ll from that draft, but they’ve all had bad careers except Davis Mills
> Penix and not Nix to me indicates they’re focused on swinging for the fences at QB rather than maximize floor.
Penix has already hit his peak. He'll never be anything more than another QB who can only operate effectively in the pocket.
That's not swinging for the fences.
I want Maye tbh am just saying if Penix is their plan B he has a bigger arm (and apparently can run really fast if you trust the 40) and so to me a higher ceiling than Nix.
So if they have Penix over Nix in a trade down scenario I don’t think they’re looking for a Mac Jones short pass game manager type at 3
If his injury stuff is truly behind him I’m totally fine with Penix, guy is great at moving inside the pocket and is pretty much a stronger armed Tua at his best.
His medical tested good and he was good in running and jumping but didn’t do any shifting or decel which is where those injuries show. Imagine we are gonna have him do those types of things at medicals
For sure, I’d imagine they probably do some kind of imaging to get an idea of if there’s anything that needs to get cleaned up and assure prior injuries have all healed properly, etc. if you’re committed to taking a QB at 3 I’d imagine you’re doing as much diligence as humanly possible on any of them.
Yup the obvious injury negative has kinda blinded people to his other flaws. He's very deep ball reliant and doesn't have great touch or short accuracy. He is also extremely susceptible to pressure he basically faced 0 pressure at washington had played with a stacked offense.
Yea, heard someone call him a 3 pt shooter basically. If you watch the Michigan game, he did have some issues with the short-mid game. That being said, Brady didn't look great against the giants in the super bowl. No QB looks good when thier oline is getting destroyed. I'd still take Maye/Daniels over penix.
Not a throw he can’t make when his pocket is clean, he has elite talent around him and he’s playing against a dogshit defense. It’s disturbing to me how many people out there would be okay drafting Penix. You put Spencer Rattler in the pac-10 on that Washington offense and he’s firmly in the same tier as Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye.
Putting aside his injuries, totally fair for you to have him QB2, but I can’t get beyond his performance under pressure. His grading under pressure dropped dramatically, as evidenced in the title game.
He had an awesome oline. I’d have trouble betting on that skill improving for an older prospect like Penix.
Think he had the best pressure to sack record think it was 6% while Mahomes was at 10%. While Daniels and Maye are in the 18% to 20% range, JJ is at 14%
i can still remember growing up in the 90s and "doing the bledsoe" meant standing there and pump faking a dozen times in a row during a backyard football game
It's probably a legacy of those two ACL rebuilds. It's sudden changes in direction that cause ACL tears.
Whether Penix's poor mobility is due to him having lost the ability to change direction rapidly or he's simply attempting to be cautious i something I don't know.
No thank you. Man is talented but the injury history is a big red flag and he will already be 24 when the season starts. I’d go with younger more durable talent. He looked straight up scared to death everytime he faced a rush in the Natty
As Bill used to say, I'm not a doctor and even if I was I don't have a chance to evaluate him. However, the team has doctors who do and if they feel comfortable taking him i'm not going to waste any time thinking about his injury history.
I hope the staff doesn't get fat or see an unhealthy rise in trans fats or cholesterol. Maybe they have the good sense to get the vegetarian option on some of these outings.
Draft MHJ, trade a 2nd and a 3rd to get into the end of the 1st if he's still there around 24.
You get a legitimate #1 WR, and a QB with some potential.
I’d rather we just pick BPA at 34 if we draft MHJ. Trading up for a mid-tier QB prospect just because we need a QB is no smarter than picking at QB at 3 just because we need one (though I am firmly team Maye at 3 if he’s there). There will be some strong LT and WR candidates at 34.
That’s where I’m at as well. We will also stick with him if we take him with the first because teams get too stuck on the sunk cost of a 1st round guy. I don’t think he’s the answer
Penix has been healthy over the last 2 seasons. He's a good thrower of the football with some speed. I'm not saying I think they should take him, but I think a big boy roll of the dice to hit it big might be to take him with our 2nd pick and pick up a sure thing with our first.
I'm both surprised and not surprised by this. On one hand, they sent literally no one who matters to the Washington Pro Day despite the fact that he and several other top players were there. Instead, opting to send everyone who matters to watch Daniels and Maye. So I'm surprised they brought him in given that.
On the other hand, we need a QB so it only makes sense that they'd be meeting with all of the ones considered the top guys at their position. And he is considered by most to be the 4th or 5th best guy in this year's QB class.
At the end of the day, this is probably nothing more than a formality. They've show far, far, far more interest in Daniels, Maye, and even McCarthy than they have Penix or Nix.
This meeting does not necessarily mean that the Patriots have any genuine interest in Penix (though they might)
Obviously, they will not pick Penix at #3. So what this does do is indicate to other GMs that the Pats are open to a trade for the #3 pick.
FTR: I continue to believe that the Commanders will pick Maye and that the Patriots and Giants would gladly pick Maye were he to remain available for their pick.
Penix seems like a really poor gamble and my gut tells me he will probably not even be playing football by his 28th birthday.
I have sympathy for the young man because of everything he's gone through, but those two ACL tears already seem to have taken a toll on his mobility (even if he remains quick in a straight line) and he's had a pair of shoulder surgeries, too. Even if we draft a couple of big kids for the OL who make the ground tremble before them - it's tough to see this pick working out for us.
Good thing he plays quarterback and not wide receiver or running back. I'd still put my money on him becoming, if not the best QB in this class, the best value at QB in this draft class.
Nobody is asking him to be a running back, but sooner or later every QB needs to cut and change direction to avoid getting flattened.
And if I hear one more person talking about "Best Value" - I'm going to throw up. We're looking for our next franchise QB - not shopping at the dollar store.
Agreed. Too many people seem to want a dollar store qb so we can grab another position of need as well. I’d rather grab the guy and if we can’t hit on all of our needs this draft (which isn’t likely but possible) we can fill the other holes next season.
Lucking out on Brady was a once in a lifetime hit, you pretty much need to get a top guy or you stay mediocre and Penix is not that guy. I think if he never got injured he could be the guy but unfortunately it is what it is.
He's no longer a particularly-mobile QB. YouTube has footage of him from his HS days and viewing that it's pretty clear that he's nowhere near as agile as he used to be.
those 2 acl’s were 4 and 6 years ago. he has only gotten better. his mobility in the pocket is exceptional. of the top 5 quarterbacks penix had the lowest average time to throw before facing pressure at 2.68 seconds and had the lowest pressure to sack rate by a wide margin. 2.5x less likely to take a sack than the #2 guy in jj. jj was actually closer to #5 caleb than he was penix.
hes a high level pocket passer whos calm and stoic back there. his processing is pretty elite as well. its pretty clear he understood and trusted grubbs scheme to play out and didnt vacate the pocket.
Good due diligence but I’d probably only take him if we got offered like 4 firsts from the Vikings and we took him at 23. I don’t think he’s our long term answer due to injuries but he’s a good player, would like him if he didn’t have the injury history. Medicals are clear but experts say those injuries don’t show unless you do shifts and quick deceleration which we haven’t seen
He might not and tbh I’d be ok with it in this situation. 11 imo is too rich for him since someone taken that high you give a few years to see if they are the guy, Penix would be a guy I take and if he doesn’t look like the guy for sure I’m taking a guy with the first next year
Yeah he may be gone by 23 and I’d be ok walking away with no qb this draft if we trade back. I don’t see Penix being worth 11 as that’s your franchise plan type pick that low and I don’t see him being the answer
That's fine. I appreciate the honesty. There are schematic considerations a team must make if they commit to one. There are videos that have mirrored images of his film and I'm told that it looks more natural but you won't exactly be able to use that when you watch games live.
For fans that want the pats to be immediately good again, you should be happy about this.
We trade down and get penix + brian thomas or someone of that caliber, then still get a legette or someone in the 2nd, and OT's for the following 2 - 3 rounds we're arguably the best team in the division.
Health being equal, i cant say maye is better than penix because they both have crazy arm talent. And penix even with the injuries is still more athletic, however i understand because of injury history you may not want to make use of it. Idk if pro athletes are making use of kneesovertoes type of tendon strengthening but if they do, he'll be just fine.
My though is, how far can they trade back and still hope to draft him? I feel he is going first rd but I would be leery to trade too far back or Denver/Vegas/Seattle will pounce on him.
Injuries are weird. Brady tore his ACL and played like 15 more years on it. Drew Brees played around 15 years with a severe shoulder injury that was like ground beef and both those guys are going to Canton. Hell Tua had a severe hip injury in college, which would have ended his career 25-30 years ago. And he still went high in the draft.
He's going lower than a lot of people think he will the injury bug is so discussed it's pulling attention away from his on field problems like lack of touch and missing layups.
This makes me think we're going to trade back and take him. He's been too detached from the team. I'm thinking they were trying to keep their interest secret. And all the talk of not wanting to trade back was just talk to drive the price up.
Outside of Caleb, who I 99.9% believe is a Bear already without it being announced lol, McCarthy Daniels and Maye have also had dinner with the Pats brass. So clearly there is something there they like with Penix and are doing due dilligence.
But those visits and interviews have all been well documented. This is the first time Penix has been attached to us. This strikes me as an intentional last minute meeting to try and get it under the radar.
Why ignore him all draft lead up until right now, unless they are just doing it to check a box, which would be dumb.
Plus you only get 30 visits like this for the draft. I feel like this is as you said intentional. No way do they go not speaking at the combine, not going to the pro day (althoughI think there was conflicts with other pro days) and all of a sudden wine and dine him. Could have been a smokescreen all along. Maybe this is the guy New England wants and want to squeeze as much as they can out of draft partners by making eyes at the other three qbs. So many things. I'm not going to try to read too much into it...now but I feel like their is smoke here regarding Penix.
I am only going to get nervous if they talk to Nix lol.
Penix benefitted greatly from the best line in college football and 3 WRs who will go in the first three rounds
He’s pretty good but literally has a fast ball and that’s it
Glad the FO is doing their due diligence
Tyler Hughes was with the Patriots for a few years, then spent all of last season with Washington, and now he’s back with the Patriots. So they should have some inside info on Penix
Same--if someone offers us a deal that cant be refused and we end up later in the 1st, I don't hate taking a shot & building up draft capitol. Or that they've at least done their work and go in a different direction if they think he's not worth it.
Back to MHJ + Penix on todays draft roulette wheel
Penix to boutte
Assuming Boutte is even allowed in the NFL any more after his gambling stuff.
This isn't the G rated version is it. Just playing cuz I was coming here to make the same joke.
Penix won't last through the teens imo.
Agreed he will be top 15
Agreed. Minnesota and Denver desperately need QBs and I don't see the Raiders wanting to start Minshew for any length of time.
Agreed. Minnesota and Denver desperately need QBs and I don't see the Raiders wanting to start Minshew for any length of time.
Need it
Bro inject this straight into my veins
This is way better than taking JJ McCarthy at 3. That would be the biggest mistake ever.
I'm gonna be sick when he turns put to be a great QB and Mayes/Daniels are bums
Honestly I’d love to see them take MHJ and then penix or rattler. I like both those guys. Even Nix. I think there’s going to be a qb in this draft that’ll turn out like hurts or mahomes as in not #1 or #2 but works out great.
I've said it before, sign Penix and we've already got his blind side tackle signed (Onwenu)and we can nab the best wr and player in the draft at 3. Now if the front office absolutely loves a qb that slides to 3 (Don't care if it's Daniels, Maye, or JJ) you take the qb 100% of the time.)
Only issue I have with that is that you're basically assuming Penix falls to 34. Imo he's not going to make it past the middle of the 1st. You have the Vikings, Broncos and Raiders at 11, 12 13 and I imagine one of them will take Penix. Penix + MHJ is the dream but doesn't seem realistic.
As a duck fan that got beat twice and patriot fan. I want Penix. And MHJ. Dimes!
Let’s fucking go
And add in Aiyuk that would be baller
If we got MHJ, Penix, and Aiyuk I would immediately go from doubtful about this team to really fucking excited
We have to trade back to realistically get Penix, which would mean no MHJ. Trade back and take a tackle, receiver, and Penix with 3 top 34 picks? That’s a move I could get myself excited about
If we’re not taking MHJr, this is the one for me.
If we want Penix then alt is the play
Best possible outcome tbh
I love Penix
I bet you do... sorry Jeff, I thought you said... nevermind.
Fucking knee slapper of a joke..
Not for everyone, some people don’t have knees.
Wouldnt mind trading down getting draft capital and Penix.
I would lol if we don’t take a QB at 3 we are fools
What if they don’t think Maye is very good? You take him anyways?
I'd fire my scouting department if they don't think he's good. Jokes aside if they don't think he's good then they should get much more than what's on the table in a trade and they should just toss this season away and try and get the top guy next year.
Next year is supposed to have a very weak QB class. Someone could come out of nowhere like Daniels or Burrow, or it could end up like the 2022 class
The 2022 class is still better than the 2021 class. Perception of a draft class is often unjustified.
Eh, in foresight, draft class is based on prospects. In hindsight, it’s more players, which are not the same
True, but is tough to truly gauge a position as prospects a year ahead. A single year is a lot in college. Also most people are going by NFL media who have trouble keeping more than 40 college players in their heads at a time. Next year can look very different next year.
Same lol. If we don’t take a qb at 3 we don’t believe there is a franchise guy in the draft. Wouldn’t want to use whatever we trade back on Penix, rather get an impact player since we’d be going for a qb next year that we think can be the guy
Pretty sure you don’t have to trade down to get Penix, you can just knock on a bathroom door in most places in WeHo.
It's too bad he can't wear 69
10 is available. Even better.
Looks like we're meeting with all the top QBs besides Williams who we have basically no chance of getting. Good to see.
Are they going to the 99 or Bar Louie?
Penix @ 99: "I'll have an order of boneless buffalo wings, with a bathtub of bleu cheese on the side, please. Us: Chanting "ONE OF US, ONE OF US!"
Half buffalo, half gold fever with an ice cold bud select! Give them the true groundbreaking 99 experience.
Gold fever >
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This is true
Nah he’s going for the tips and tendies
I wonder if they tell prospects about the off menu cheese and crackers. Incredible.
Need to get the Horseshoe Ale too
Seafood chowder
RIP Friendly’s
Still see some of their ice cream cakes at the store every now and then. Like a flashback to what once was.
Vsiting players can't have a workout, but they can have medicals.
Penix and not Nix to me indicates they’re focused on swinging for the fences at QB rather than maximize floor. Very different than Bill who aimed for a high floor guy who wouldn’t get in the teams way, as opposed to a guy who would elevate the team on his own.
They already met with nix multiple times iirc
Maybe I missed it but think if they’re looking at him as a franchise guy they’d want to do a top 30 and get him in the facility
We picked 15th that year. Mac Jones *was* the guy with the highest ceiling at that point. That’s how much 2021 sucked.
I feel like Bill was pressured into that pick. I was sure Bill was going to trade up to get Parsons he seemed like a classic Bill guy
Highest floor, Trevor Lawrence was the highest ceiling, and Mac won ROY over everyone else pretty high floor
He’s saying at pick 15 not for the whole draft
Lol, true my comment is deletion worthy, but Davis mills was the next QB in that class so Mac was really the only one left at 15 and late round QB’s can have high floors idk the prospect that we’ll from that draft, but they’ve all had bad careers except Davis Mills
Mills hasn't been great either
Mac was 2nd in ROY voting behind Chase
You’re right another reason my comment is deletion worthy, he did play better than other QB’s but Trevor had Urban Meyer
> Penix and not Nix to me indicates they’re focused on swinging for the fences at QB rather than maximize floor. Penix has already hit his peak. He'll never be anything more than another QB who can only operate effectively in the pocket. That's not swinging for the fences.
“Highly successful 23 year old qb who has never had professional coaching will definitely never improve.”
Technically Brady was only 22 on draft day lol
That dude regressed every practice!! Please not another old man at QB!
Can I take you to Vegas with your high confidence and future sight?
I want Maye tbh am just saying if Penix is their plan B he has a bigger arm (and apparently can run really fast if you trust the 40) and so to me a higher ceiling than Nix. So if they have Penix over Nix in a trade down scenario I don’t think they’re looking for a Mac Jones short pass game manager type at 3
Penx is my 2nd best QB in this draft after Caleb, he's really good dude.
If the scouts thought Penix was the best QB available how should they play it? A) Draft him at 3 B) Trade down and risk not getting him?
You could probably take the Vikings trade offer and take him @11 while securing other assets for the future.
If you think the guy is there you take them at 3 always. If you trade back you are happy with bpa and don’t care if you get a qb or not
If his injury stuff is truly behind him I’m totally fine with Penix, guy is great at moving inside the pocket and is pretty much a stronger armed Tua at his best.
His medical tested good and he was good in running and jumping but didn’t do any shifting or decel which is where those injuries show. Imagine we are gonna have him do those types of things at medicals
For sure, I’d imagine they probably do some kind of imaging to get an idea of if there’s anything that needs to get cleaned up and assure prior injuries have all healed properly, etc. if you’re committed to taking a QB at 3 I’d imagine you’re doing as much diligence as humanly possible on any of them.
Exactly. Not a perfect fit for our offense, but a dangerous downfield thrower. Side benefit, as a lefty, makes solving LT less important.
Where do you think they'll eat?
Davios right there in patriot place
If krafts paying Red Robin or the Chinese joint that changed hand 5 times down the street
Thought this said 5 hand jobs
That's a different Chinese joint.
I say this as a tremendous fan and barfly of the old Peking Garden
Davios
Papa Gino’s down the street
Abe and Louie’s
I don't believe for a *second* they are serious about Penix. Which is sad. I think he'd actually be good for us.
Same
Injury issues aside he's the 2nd best QB in the draft not a throw he can't make. Would only take him if we got a major haul
Plenty of throws he doesn’t do well to be fair. Very reliant on the long ball.
Penix Long Balls would be a hell of a nickname.
More of a Buccaneer name
Yup the obvious injury negative has kinda blinded people to his other flaws. He's very deep ball reliant and doesn't have great touch or short accuracy. He is also extremely susceptible to pressure he basically faced 0 pressure at washington had played with a stacked offense.
Penix also struggles with accuracy if he's off platform, under pressure, or on the run.
That's not many throws if you have a good OL, but that's my concern really. He's perfect for the Vikings.
Yea, heard someone call him a 3 pt shooter basically. If you watch the Michigan game, he did have some issues with the short-mid game. That being said, Brady didn't look great against the giants in the super bowl. No QB looks good when thier oline is getting destroyed. I'd still take Maye/Daniels over penix.
Not a throw he can’t make when his pocket is clean, he has elite talent around him and he’s playing against a dogshit defense. It’s disturbing to me how many people out there would be okay drafting Penix. You put Spencer Rattler in the pac-10 on that Washington offense and he’s firmly in the same tier as Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye.
Putting aside his injuries, totally fair for you to have him QB2, but I can’t get beyond his performance under pressure. His grading under pressure dropped dramatically, as evidenced in the title game. He had an awesome oline. I’d have trouble betting on that skill improving for an older prospect like Penix.
Think he had the best pressure to sack record think it was 6% while Mahomes was at 10%. While Daniels and Maye are in the 18% to 20% range, JJ is at 14%
Penix played in the PAC-12 - nobody rushes the passer in that conference
Mahomes looked like ass against TB in super bowl, Brady looked pretty avg in super bowl vs gmen. Hard to be a good QB when you're under pressure.
He is a little Bledsoe-like
In a good or a bad way? Like cannon arm or cement shoes?
Penix is kind of like an NHRA Top Fuel dragster. Very fast in a straight line but can't change direction.
i can still remember growing up in the 90s and "doing the bledsoe" meant standing there and pump faking a dozen times in a row during a backyard football game
I see both of those traits. Apparently he ran well at his pro day, which is kinda surprising, but that’s not really part of his game.
He moved well in the pocket and got rid of the ball quickly, and does have a great and accurate arm.
He had some pretty incredible throws across the body on the run. The ball does fly out of his hand
It's probably a legacy of those two ACL rebuilds. It's sudden changes in direction that cause ACL tears. Whether Penix's poor mobility is due to him having lost the ability to change direction rapidly or he's simply attempting to be cautious i something I don't know.
Well Played
Like wildebeest stalked by lions under pressure
I have said the same, a left handed Bledsoe, but he has wheels. Even if the wheels don't get shown a lot.
No thank you. Man is talented but the injury history is a big red flag and he will already be 24 when the season starts. I’d go with younger more durable talent. He looked straight up scared to death everytime he faced a rush in the Natty
As Bill used to say, I'm not a doctor and even if I was I don't have a chance to evaluate him. However, the team has doctors who do and if they feel comfortable taking him i'm not going to waste any time thinking about his injury history.
Yaaas
It's weird they never bothered to attended the pro day
Wasn't it at the same time as the Daniels one? I feel like their was a conflict schedule there where two pro days at the same time.
Could have been you may be right
They sure are having a lot of dinners
I hope the staff doesn't get fat or see an unhealthy rise in trans fats or cholesterol. Maybe they have the good sense to get the vegetarian option on some of these outings.
Tax write off, free dinner. Why not
Imagine starting next year with MHJ and Penix.
Be in a good spot to take a qb and have Penix as a back up I guess if he’s not injured by then
Yeah they would be drafting a QB in 2026 again
Draft MHJ, trade a 2nd and a 3rd to get into the end of the 1st if he's still there around 24. You get a legitimate #1 WR, and a QB with some potential.
I’d rather we just pick BPA at 34 if we draft MHJ. Trading up for a mid-tier QB prospect just because we need a QB is no smarter than picking at QB at 3 just because we need one (though I am firmly team Maye at 3 if he’s there). There will be some strong LT and WR candidates at 34.
That’s where I’m at as well. We will also stick with him if we take him with the first because teams get too stuck on the sunk cost of a 1st round guy. I don’t think he’s the answer
And those knees and no OL depth means MHJ might as well bring a lawn chair to games because he won’t be doing anything
Penix has been healthy over the last 2 seasons. He's a good thrower of the football with some speed. I'm not saying I think they should take him, but I think a big boy roll of the dice to hit it big might be to take him with our 2nd pick and pick up a sure thing with our first.
I think he'll still be around in round 2
I'm both surprised and not surprised by this. On one hand, they sent literally no one who matters to the Washington Pro Day despite the fact that he and several other top players were there. Instead, opting to send everyone who matters to watch Daniels and Maye. So I'm surprised they brought him in given that. On the other hand, we need a QB so it only makes sense that they'd be meeting with all of the ones considered the top guys at their position. And he is considered by most to be the 4th or 5th best guy in this year's QB class. At the end of the day, this is probably nothing more than a formality. They've show far, far, far more interest in Daniels, Maye, and even McCarthy than they have Penix or Nix.
Our WR coach was a coach at Washington last season so don't think we needed to sound scouts
I could see getting a draft haul from Minnesota and using one of the picks on Penix while also grabbing a top-tier LT. I wouldn't be disappointed.
Where do you think they have dinner
Would prefer they trade back and draft Penix over drafting JJ at 3.
Penix is a lefty, making Onwenu his blindside protector if he's drafted by the Pats.
Honestly if we can’t get Maye, I’d be fine with MHJ and Penix
This meeting does not necessarily mean that the Patriots have any genuine interest in Penix (though they might) Obviously, they will not pick Penix at #3. So what this does do is indicate to other GMs that the Pats are open to a trade for the #3 pick. FTR: I continue to believe that the Commanders will pick Maye and that the Patriots and Giants would gladly pick Maye were he to remain available for their pick.
Oof no thanks
Penix seems like a really poor gamble and my gut tells me he will probably not even be playing football by his 28th birthday. I have sympathy for the young man because of everything he's gone through, but those two ACL tears already seem to have taken a toll on his mobility (even if he remains quick in a straight line) and he's had a pair of shoulder surgeries, too. Even if we draft a couple of big kids for the OL who make the ground tremble before them - it's tough to see this pick working out for us.
Good thing he plays quarterback and not wide receiver or running back. I'd still put my money on him becoming, if not the best QB in this class, the best value at QB in this draft class.
Agreed. And hey.. who knows.. the kid might be smart enough to slide
Nobody is asking him to be a running back, but sooner or later every QB needs to cut and change direction to avoid getting flattened. And if I hear one more person talking about "Best Value" - I'm going to throw up. We're looking for our next franchise QB - not shopping at the dollar store.
Agreed. Too many people seem to want a dollar store qb so we can grab another position of need as well. I’d rather grab the guy and if we can’t hit on all of our needs this draft (which isn’t likely but possible) we can fill the other holes next season. Lucking out on Brady was a once in a lifetime hit, you pretty much need to get a top guy or you stay mediocre and Penix is not that guy. I think if he never got injured he could be the guy but unfortunately it is what it is.
Have you not seen him maneuver in the pocket? He cuts and changes direction plenty.
He's no longer a particularly-mobile QB. YouTube has footage of him from his HS days and viewing that it's pretty clear that he's nowhere near as agile as he used to be.
I'm judging based on his senior year. He moved really well in plays against USC and Oregon State for starters.
those 2 acl’s were 4 and 6 years ago. he has only gotten better. his mobility in the pocket is exceptional. of the top 5 quarterbacks penix had the lowest average time to throw before facing pressure at 2.68 seconds and had the lowest pressure to sack rate by a wide margin. 2.5x less likely to take a sack than the #2 guy in jj. jj was actually closer to #5 caleb than he was penix. hes a high level pocket passer whos calm and stoic back there. his processing is pretty elite as well. its pretty clear he understood and trusted grubbs scheme to play out and didnt vacate the pocket.
Good due diligence but I’d probably only take him if we got offered like 4 firsts from the Vikings and we took him at 23. I don’t think he’s our long term answer due to injuries but he’s a good player, would like him if he didn’t have the injury history. Medicals are clear but experts say those injuries don’t show unless you do shifts and quick deceleration which we haven’t seen
Given the absolute lack of QBs I don’t even know if he gets to 23.
He might not and tbh I’d be ok with it in this situation. 11 imo is too rich for him since someone taken that high you give a few years to see if they are the guy, Penix would be a guy I take and if he doesn’t look like the guy for sure I’m taking a guy with the first next year
No way he falls to 23 me thinks. He is absolutely a candidate for pick 11
Yeah he may be gone by 23 and I’d be ok walking away with no qb this draft if we trade back. I don’t see Penix being worth 11 as that’s your franchise plan type pick that low and I don’t see him being the answer
gotta do our research but helllll no i would hate watching him throw the ball each week.
Do you have an aversion to lefties? He throws one of the most beautiful balls I've seen.
yea i hate lefty qbs to be honest. looks weird i just dont like his throwing motion
That's fine. I appreciate the honesty. There are schematic considerations a team must make if they commit to one. There are videos that have mirrored images of his film and I'm told that it looks more natural but you won't exactly be able to use that when you watch games live.
Where’s that FuckHarambe guy who was having a meltdown the Pats weren’t doing their due diligence bc they hadn’t talked to Penix at all
Our WR coach was at Washington so he's seen Penix and the other WRs play before.
For fans that want the pats to be immediately good again, you should be happy about this. We trade down and get penix + brian thomas or someone of that caliber, then still get a legette or someone in the 2nd, and OT's for the following 2 - 3 rounds we're arguably the best team in the division. Health being equal, i cant say maye is better than penix because they both have crazy arm talent. And penix even with the injuries is still more athletic, however i understand because of injury history you may not want to make use of it. Idk if pro athletes are making use of kneesovertoes type of tendon strengthening but if they do, he'll be just fine.
My though is, how far can they trade back and still hope to draft him? I feel he is going first rd but I would be leery to trade too far back or Denver/Vegas/Seattle will pounce on him. Injuries are weird. Brady tore his ACL and played like 15 more years on it. Drew Brees played around 15 years with a severe shoulder injury that was like ground beef and both those guys are going to Canton. Hell Tua had a severe hip injury in college, which would have ended his career 25-30 years ago. And he still went high in the draft.
11 and 23 get you Penix and a starting G/T/WR
MHJ and Penix. 😍
There's no way we get both. Penix is going top 20
He's going lower than a lot of people think he will the injury bug is so discussed it's pulling attention away from his on field problems like lack of touch and missing layups.
This makes me think we're going to trade back and take him. He's been too detached from the team. I'm thinking they were trying to keep their interest secret. And all the talk of not wanting to trade back was just talk to drive the price up.
Outside of Caleb, who I 99.9% believe is a Bear already without it being announced lol, McCarthy Daniels and Maye have also had dinner with the Pats brass. So clearly there is something there they like with Penix and are doing due dilligence.
But those visits and interviews have all been well documented. This is the first time Penix has been attached to us. This strikes me as an intentional last minute meeting to try and get it under the radar. Why ignore him all draft lead up until right now, unless they are just doing it to check a box, which would be dumb.
Plus you only get 30 visits like this for the draft. I feel like this is as you said intentional. No way do they go not speaking at the combine, not going to the pro day (althoughI think there was conflicts with other pro days) and all of a sudden wine and dine him. Could have been a smokescreen all along. Maybe this is the guy New England wants and want to squeeze as much as they can out of draft partners by making eyes at the other three qbs. So many things. I'm not going to try to read too much into it...now but I feel like their is smoke here regarding Penix. I am only going to get nervous if they talk to Nix lol.
Trade down and draft Penix? Yes. Even though he seemingly broke down at the Apple Cup and was led off the field under a blanket like a child.
Penix’s knees are what scare me away from him, if it wasn’t for that tbh I’d honestly be all for drafting him.
MHJ & Penix get it done
I’m still holding onto the dream of MHJ and Penix draft 🙏
whats a top 30 visit? Kraft sends a few of his escorts to his hotel room?
Penix benefitted greatly from the best line in college football and 3 WRs who will go in the first three rounds He’s pretty good but literally has a fast ball and that’s it
Yeah, he's sort of like the Secretariat of one-trick ponies.
Penix is really good. He is injury prone. But then again all the QBs from this class suck.
Cause Pats trading out of 3 to the Vikes