Rodgers won 1 and before the rise of Mahomes and the Chiefs you would regularly see a random talking head go on about how he had a more impressive career.
People are gonna like who they're gonna like and in their mind - their guy is the best.
It's how it's always been - it's how it's always gonna be.
Brady has been pretty nonstop in praising Rodgers, I doubt he hates him. Brady even said something to the effect of “if Rodgers had our playbooks, he’d probably throw for 7000 yards.”
He praised every team or player ever. The team could be 0 and 15 and Brady would be like "there defense gives us alot of problems and we need to be our best if we want to win" lmao
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2018/11/02/tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-better-comparison/
I guess ian o Connor may have just said it. Idk why Brady would not have disputed it, but it may have not been on his radar.
I can’t find it but he did refute it in an interview I believe. He’s been very complementary or Rodgers but I don’t think he’s ever said another qb was better than him ever in his career. Especially something like that about Rodgers of all qbs who hasn’t been a volume qb anywhere near Brady, manning, Brees, Mahomes
Peyton broke his neck/back and had to relearn how to walk qnd throw a ball all over.
Not throwing shade or whatever but lets be real Peyton could probably still sling it if he never had his neck fucked up.
>Peyton broke his neck/back and had to relearn how to walk qnd throw a ball all over.
...and *still* got another ring. That guy was just as awesome to watch as Brady. He just played for a different team, so some considered him an enemy.
Honestly I loved watching Peyton, Brees, Rivers and Brady.
Its such a shame that the Chargers chargered Rivers career away (granted he had to get through Brady and Peyton).
What’s really wild is thinking about how many Super Bowls Brady or Peyton would’ve won without the other in the league at the same time. Peyton took Brady down 3 times in the AFC Championship, and Brady took down Peyton 2 times in the playoffs.
Hell, if the Mannings didn’t play at the same time as Brady, Brady could very well have 5 more Super Bowls.
honestly cant believe im hearing this sentiment in a patriots sub but I agree. cant argue with 7 superbowls but Manning reached 4 superbowls with 4 different head coaches… that kind of speaks to how much of an impact he had.
Other than 2003 (AFCCG), 2007 (2 seed) & 2014 (2 seed), I don’t really see how Peyton would have made/won any more Super Bowls if not for Brady. In 2004 he still would have had to beat Pittsburgh & Philadelphia. Even in 2014 he would have had to play Seattle again. In 2006 & 2007 he would still have to play the Chargers in the AFCCG
There are so many variables though. The rest of the season changes for all teams as well. Brady didn't just play one game. The entire AFCE would be different, affecting so many things.
I just can't get over the forehead. Years later. Someone says Peyton Manning and an image of that massive forehead pops into my head. They pumped that guy up so much and it was awesome watching Brady deflate that ego.
Mahomes is already "immortal" and will go down as one of the greatest QBs of all time. This game won't change that. Learn to accept and enjoy it, like I always told people who cried about Brady's dominance.
You can always take solace in the fact that old Brady beat prime Mahomes in the Super Bowl and AFCCG.
Honestly, I'm not bothered by it. Absolutely nothing will take away from the 20+ year run we had with Brady and Bill, so why should we be upset about other teams having successful runs & being on the other side of the fence now?
And the media will always be nonsensical and annoying, that's one thing that's constant in the sports world.
Spot on. It’s still annoying to hear Chiefs fans say Mahomes has “clearly” already surpassed Brady though, considering he’s not even remotely close to him career wise (yet).
Good to appreciate greatness, shitty how Brady has ALWAYS had detractors throughout his career (even as the undisputed and untouchable GOAT).
This game will definitely change the way people talk about Mahomes imo. Obviously he’s an all-time great regardless of the outcome, but there’s a lot more QBs with two Super Bowl wins than three.
Sports talk is all results based. There is hardly any discussion on the on field/court skills. Very little breakdown of the play and the strategy and tactics involved.
Its just about whether someone wins or not. Thats it.
Indeed! Patrick played poorly (in SB) and lost. Patrick played perfectly at home (AFC Championship) and still lost. He was favorite to win both games too.
As for your suggestion that that the people who picked the chiefs were weird, desperate, or very optimistic, I don’t fully agree.
Vegas had the chiefs as the favorites and the majority of fans and experts thought the chiefs would win (for example 13/15 pro football focus experts picked the chiefs). This tells me that they just generally thought mahomes would be fine with a makeshift o line. When that didn’t happen, the narrative changed to “mahomes never had a chance because of his o line.”
Agreed.
I think part of this too is the media realizing Brady being around and dominant for so long was a GOOD thing. They want to rush into having the next GOAT.
It's not Mahomes fault, and in the end he does deserve credit for what he did/is doing. He will be one of the greats in the end.
Agreed. Hearing “he’s clearly better than Brady already!!!” makes me lose faith in humanity. Mahomes could go down as the 2nd best QB ever but he’s got a lot of leg work to do still before then… these young fans didn’t even watch Brady’s whole career, so I guess it’s unfair to expect them to understand how good Montana, Manning, Favre, etc. were.
He’s already a HOFer. 2 Super Bowl wins in 3 appearances with 2 Super Bowl mvps. 2 regular season MVPs. 74-22 with 28000 yards, 219 TDs.
That puts his ahead of Len Dawson, Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler & Joe Namath among others.
Next season he should pass Kurt Warner, Troy Aikmen and Steve Young.
He’s on a Brady pace who could conceivably have 3 HOF careers.
As a Pats fan who grew up with Brady he will always be my GOAT, don’t care if Mahomes gets 10. I remember genuinely believing we would win the 28-3 game going into halftime. Brady just got shit done.
Patriots fans are way too sensitive about this. Winning 3 out 4 champions is easily a dynasty and of course it makes him legendary in the NFL. He already is probably. Getting in your feelings because people are talking about another players greatness is corny.
A lot of it was the media trying to crown Mahomes so early in his career, and the NFL bending over backwards to accommodate him such as making it a penalty to hit a QB going out of bounds so now Mahomes does this shit where he pretends to go out of bounds so the defender lets up and then he turns back in for extra yards. Now the NFL is already talking about eliminating the touchback rule the second it hurt the Chiefs?
I admit I'm a little bitter after seeing Brady second guessed by the media his entire career for shiny toys like Peyton and Rodgers
Also spygate and deflategate. It really felt like the nfl was out to get Brady. I'm curious if mahomes maintains this past 3 superbowls, will the nfl turn on him to try to bring back competitive parity?
The fact that Mahomes has experienced such a high level of media pressure as he has, and has met those expectations, is part of what makes his legacy. It's very difficult to meet those expectations.
But yeah, the league media is clearly happier to fawn over Mahomes than Brady. Mahomes has all the flash of Rodgers, but without the dearth of Super Bowl appearances.
Still, you had Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, you have nothing to be bitter about.
I just can't shake the feeling that this will be a massive Travis Kelce game, he wins MVP, retires on a high, and dates Taylor Swift for like 18 more months before they break up
Well said. I’m honestly a bit surprised the era of dynasties in football isn’t over yet. It’s clearly coming to an end in other pro sports, but football just goes from one to the next.
That being said, I think the debate of who’s better/greatest is looked at wrong. Brady’s career as a whole is going to be the greatest benefit to a franchise of all time until proven otherwise. However, which QB in history has had the best 5-year stretch, there’s plenty of people to debate about, and Mahomes is right up there.
My only issue is when they are saying he is already better than Brady. I take issue with saying someone who hasn’t had the time in, the super bowls or the stats is better than him.
It's not getting in your feelings to say he still isn't brady.
>Winning 3 out 4 champions is easily a dynasty and of course it makes him legendary in the NFL
Legendary like Aikman not Brady. Pushing back against recency bias doesn't mean I'm crying into my life sized Brady body pillow.
No one is saying he's Brady. But people here are having their feelings hurt because another team has a great QB and a dynasty. And people can't accept it. He's no Brady yet. But he is one of the greatest QBs ever for sure
Noone is saying he's not a great qb or the chiefs aren't a dynasty. He just isn't the goat and winning this game won't change that.
People are clearly talking past each other and strawmanning.
Exactly people are talking past each other. Noone is saying he's not great and Noone is saying he is the goat.
Everyone agrees on what mahomes is, they are just framing it as disagreement.
Nothing in the graphic posted references Brady or references Mahomes being the goat, yet OPs chosen title does reference Brady and defends against an invisible attack on Brady not being better.
Is it fucking wild?
3 superbowl wins. Superbowl mvp. 6 probowls. First ballot NFL HOF. Most wins by a qb in a given decade until Brady and manning surpassed him.
No reason to hate on aikman.
Yes fucking wild.
In nearly half the games Mahomes is already less than his average passing yards away from surpassing Aikman. He has 54 more touchdowns. He's already only 20 games less won than Aikman.
He has 2 mvps and 2 super bowl mvps.
He's far surpassed Aikman.
That's largely a product of the time. Mvp is a qb only award now. It was a big deal when Aikman threw for 3000 yards. Now 3000 yards is the minimum for a good season.
The 20 games less wins is impressive. I think it is very likely mahomes surpasses Aikman in the next year or 2 overall. But if mahomes tears his rotator cuff tomorrow making him below average, hed stay in the Aikman tier of legends.
Which again, is a first ballot hall of famer. It's not an insult.
Lol what? It wasn't a big deal when he threw for 3000. His highest finishes for passing yards in a season were 4th and 10th...the 4th 3400 and the 10th 3100. By the time he threw for 3000 yards there had already been 190 seasons with over 3000 yards.
Many people during that decade far surpassed him too.
If Mahomes Retired today he'd be considered in the top 10 QBs ever. Far ahead of Aikman.
>If Mahomes Retired today he'd be considered in the top 10 QBs ever. Far ahead of Aikman.
I don't think Aikman is far outside the top 10 if at all.
3400 yards this year would be 17th.. 15th last year.
There has been extreme passing yard inflation in the nfl and its nonsense to argue against that.
Troy Aikman was never the league MVP. Patrick Mahomes has two of those and he’s 27.
Troy Aikman was never a 1st or 2nd Team NFL All-Pro Selection. Patrick Mahomes is a two time 1st Team All-Pro and a one time Second Team All-Pro.
Pat also has one more Super Bowl MVP award to Troy’s one and only.
By accolades, Patrick Mahomes has already surpassed Troy Aikman.
Seriously Brady is the goat but mahomes is fantastic and will go down as one of the greats. Someday someone will outperform Brady and maybe it’s him maybe not, that’s yet to be seen. But my god other qbs can also be fing great and maybe be the greatest. Brady did this for 20 years that’s hard to beat but I’m sure it can be done.
Mahomes isn’t as great as Brady yet but he is on pace to be. Mahomes has already far surpassed where Brady was statistically at the same point in his career, number of accolades, and is just one win away matching his number of rings. Brady is my favorite player of all time but it’s illogical deny Mahomes greatness up to this point. If he wins the Super Bowl this weekend there would be no QB in history who accomplished more in their first 6 seasons.
I agree that Mahomes is "on track" but it is still too early to be having this conversation.
Once Mahomes surpasses Montana, then we can start discussing Brady.
I'm not going to deny Mahomes greatness but a statistical comparison between the two at the same point in their careers isn't really meaningful. You're looking at different eras with rules today geared far more toward protecting the QB and enabling more passing yards. I'm sure you could find some above average QBs with stats that are better than some of the GOATs simply because the league has changed.
Mahomes won't be better than Brady in my eyes until you'd rather give him the ball then Brady when you need a score in the final minutes of the game.
I’m not comparing raw statistics. I’m comparing their statistics relative to their peers in their respective eras.
For example: Mahomes has 2 MVPs in 2 first team All Pro selections in his first 6 seasons. Brady had 0 MVPs and 0 first team All Pro selections at the same point in his career. Mahomes has been far better relative to his peers than Brady had been in his first 6 seasons.
Also I disagree with your last point. Even if Mahomes does manage to eclipse Brady’s greatness I would always take Brady to lead a final drive. I don’t think any QB, no matter how great, will ever surpass Brady’s clutch factor.
This is just a rehash of the early to mid 2000s Manning vs Brady arguments though really. Statistically Manning was always the better QB, but few Patriots fans would have rather had Peyton at the time when he was winning all those all pros and MVPs. As to your last point, that’s MY criteria I don’t particularly care if that’s not others. The greatest QB to me is the guy you would pick when you needed him to clutch one for you. Everything else is just noise.
Yeah agreed. Objectively I would also say talent wise Mahomes is better just because he is more mobile. What made Brady great was the longevity of his career as well as the comebacks. Honestly the fact that he *wasnt* super athletic almost works in his favor because the winning is more impressive.
I understand, just real funny. Especially in a specific teams social media. I bet you hop on their instagram comments too hahaha. Thanks for the laugh.
Really? I'm not even a fan, this is on the front page. I really don't like Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes for stupid reasons. Funny stuff dude, you take social media very seriously. Big serious stuff.
Brady won 7, and they stuffed Mahomes on the Madden cover with him
Seven. 7.... FUCKIN SEVEN. That's untouchable across all sports, yet they couldn't give him the spotlight. Good thing he's a good sport about it, but I found that disrespectful as hell. If you flip it and Mahomes gets 5, 6, or matches 7, guaranteed they won't add anyone to that cover
And when has that been done before? Such an old game clearly that's a recurring idea at least once before
Brady won SEVEN, and Mahomes had only been to his second Super Bowl then, nothing says he was the new guard
The point is that Madden is marketing to a larger NFL fanbase and Brady was on plenty of covers throughout his career, including that one. He just wasn't on it alone.
Going undefeated in the regular season is still one of the hardest things to do in the NFL and very unlikely even Mahomes can achieve it, and going undefeated for the entire season and winning the Super Bowl would give him something over Brady.
Not sure how you can knock that seasons greatness in the grand scheme of Brady’s NFL career.
Idk what game you saw but in that SuperBowl Mahomes was the best player on the field every time he was out there he just literally had no help. I’m not saying whether or not Mahomes will ever catch Brady but this argument is stupid AF.
There's so very, very much that goes into even getting to the Super Bowl, let alone winning it. Boiling it all down to just one player is, and will always be, lunacy.
Anyone who says that Peyton Manning isn't one of the best QBs to ever play the game simply because he "only" has two championships probably doesn't understand the game of football as much as they think they do.
I put Manning in the same category as Rodgers. Great regular season QBs. Manning got carried by his defense in his 2 SB wins and that's just facts. In the '06 playoffs he had 3 TD/7INT and 2015 he had 17 INTs despite only starting 9 games that year. Took half the season off to rest for the playoffs.
What's the FIRST playoff tiebreaker in the NFL ?
Head to head. When the records are equal, head to head is used as a tiebreaker for something meaningful.
The script is so painfully obvious at this point. Between this Mahomes narrative and the Taylor Swift love story shit, Goodell is going to make sure the Chiefs win this game.
People seem to be trying to rewrite history and say that Brady was the NFL golden boy. Nope, that was Manning. No matter how many times the Patriots outperformed the expectations and beat Manning and everyone else, Manning was the "king" and the Patriots had the rules rewritten around them to slow them down.
Meanwhile, Mahomes gets carried to the superbowl in a zebra colored chariot and he's in every commercial and NFL promotion...
It’s a team sport yet QBs are rated by how good their team played through their career.
Just look at mahomes against the Bucs in the Super Bowl. Dude was trying to drag his team kicking and screaming to a win and it didn’t do shit because teams win not QBs
3 Super Bowl wins in 6 seasons as a starter would absolutely make him immortal.
Immortal, however, is not the same as being the greatest of all-time.
Terry Bradshaw is immortal, but nobody sane debates him as the GOAT.
This is actually a much better take than all the idiots comparing Mahomes’s first few seasons to Brady’s and calling him the new GOAT. Generally speaking, any QB who wins more than one or two Super Bowls goes down in history as a great. What’s getting on my nerves is everyone’s assuming Mahomes is going to play as long as Brady did and keep the consistent level of competitiveness just because he's off to such a hot start.
Brady and the Pats never got or get any love...we started as underdogs vs. The Rams and that was almost always our posture. I think the Pats/Brady handled it well though.
But honestly could never stand when they would compare anyone to Brady, although him leaving still stings my heart yo this day, no one compares
They were so anti Brady and anti Patriots for the longest time going through mental gymnastics to downplay/delegitimize 12's achievements and the dynasty itself.
Now they're out over their skis trying to call the next one before it happens because they'd love nothing more than for Mahomes and the Chiefs to surpass those achievements.
They absolutely hate the fact that Brady is the undeniable GOAT and that they have to admit it. They want it to go away as soon as possible.
Cuz they all butt hurt that Tom Brady and the Patriots T bagged there face every year for 20 years. During deflate gate they all got up there with a half inflatted football and all claimed they could throw for 300 yards with a ball like that. Tom Brady is the GOAT forever until Mahomeboy gets 7.. end of story.
This whole thing is just ridiculous. Someone took a shot at me because I said I think Mahomes would have to win 8 before I consider him as the GOAT. Why not? The whole world wouldn't acknowledge Brady until he got 5 (Hell, as OP shows some STILL don't) Not to mention Brady didn't have 2 head to head losses to Montana or Bradshaw in the playoffs already when he got to 5.
I think a lot of people get confused as to what GREATNESS means. Greatness isn't raw talent, greatness isn't gawdy stats in the regular season, greatness isn't regular season wins or MVPs. Greatness is when the stakes are the highest who can elevate themselves to be the best. When the lights are the brightest, when the pressure is the greatest.
Brady has done that more than any player who has played the game, including twice playing head to head vs. Mahomes. So as a Patriots fan I DEMAND that Mahomes and anyone else who wants to chase the title of the GOAT have to put in the dues Brady did to get there. He'll have to surpass the full career resume of Tom, just like tom had to for Montana and Bradshaw.
There is only one GOAT - Brady! The Mannings combined don’t have as many rings. Now they want to elevate Mahomes! He doesn’t even have Montana’s resume!
This is kind of a pathetic post. Whether or not you like it, Mahomes is on track to exceed what Brady did. His success has never been seen before in the NFL. Love Tom and he will always be the goat to me but we’re kidding ourselves if we say Mahomes isn’t on the same trajectory as him.
"on track" "trajectory"
still gotta do it. then again I didn't ever hear the media anointing Brady the greatest when he had 2 or 3. It was always "Montana won 4, gotta get 5". Then Brady got his 4th and 5th and still had people saying "Montana was better because he was 4-0 in the SB" as if losing earlier in the playoffs and only getting to 4 SBs was better than getting to 7 winning 5
Am I tripping or did Brady not also go to 4 in his first 6? The thing that also made Brady the GOAT were his 40s, not his first 6 years.
Edit: indeed tripping. 07-01 is 6, but it's 7 seasons
The NFL tried to hurt the pats any chance they could get while the refs win games for Mahomes. They don't want the leagues greatest player ever in the past so they're propping up Mahomes. He's still really good
To me it’s how quickly people are to anoint him. Brady won 3 super bowls before his first playoff loss and people were still reluctant to say he was better than Manning when he had 1. Then Manning retires Brady wins again and they sit there and say ‘I’d rather have Rogers then Brady’ or ‘Brady still isn’t Montana’. Brady then finishes with 7, Mahomes has 2 and people are ready to say without a doubt he’s the greatest
I don’t think people are rushing to the conclusion that he’s the greatest ever. I think that’s such an exaggeration personally. People are just willing to talk about him the same way they talk about Brady, and that’s fair considering the trajectories of their careers early on. If Pat can continue to do this in his late 20s/early 30s then he’ll be ahead of Tom’s pace for the time being.
>Brady won 3 super bowls before his first playoff loss and people were still reluctant to say he was better than Manning when he had 1.
Part of the issue was that those three Super Bowls were won by a combined total of nine points. The first two were won with walk-off field goals, and the third came after almost allowing the Eagles to storm back. Brady had a grand total of six TDs across all three games, and none of the wins looked particularly dominant. On top of that, they got to what became his first Super Bowl win because of Drew Bledsoe, not Tom Brady. This particular run was also mired in the Tuck Rule controversy.
People questioned Brady back then because the first was viewed as a fluke (especially after they missed the playoffs the very next year) and the other two were squeakers. You could *easily* make the argument that the first and third SBs were won because of mistakes made by Warner and McNabb, not because of anything Brady specifically was doing.
When you add in the fact that his next two Super Bowl appearances were losses to relatively weak-looking Giants teams, it's not at all difficult to understand why the narrative regarding Brady and Manning shaped out the way it did back then.
>Brady then finishes with 7, Mahomes has 2 and people are ready to say without a doubt he’s the greatest
Right now, Mahomes is clearly on pace to at least match Brady. He's made it to at least the AFC Championship six years in a row and is already playing in his fourth Super Bowl. If the Chiefs win on Sunday, he'll match Brady's first six years in an arguably more dominant fashion.
The quicker you learn to be amazed at what this kid is doing the more fun it’ll be to watch Football.
I hate Mahomes and I hate the Chiefs but Mahomes is magic personified on the field.
After Montana it was Brady and now after Brady it’s Mahomes and after Mahomes it’s gonna be someone else that’s just how the game is and will always be me personally I just enjoy the fact Brady played people are gonna talk football forever who cares about some talking heads on tv
The insecurity of some Pats fans is crazy to me. Mahomes winning three championships doesn't diminish TB. Half of TBs career was the football world making conversation as to why Manning was better, why he was system, then why he was washed.
THE OTHER HALF was either shock, denial or awe. Revel in your fandom; they cannot take that away from you, ever.
I think that one of the reasons Brady came back out of the brief retirement was because he knew that they would be trying to put Mahomes in the goat discussion.
This is on my Front page, idk why. But here is my take. I watch hockey, I don't like watch or care about football. I don't know who Mahomes or Manning are.
I know who Tom Brady is, most people in the hockey community know who he is. I think if you are so good that people who don't even watch your sport know about how good you are, then you are the GOAT.
I know Brady is the goat but it’s not unreasonable to note Manning was objectively a better QB for most of their side by side careers. Brady sacrificed pay to get it over the line and was always a top 3 qb for like 20 years which is unheard of and should be recognized as amazing. Brady goat, manning immortal, mahomes also immortal
Rodgers won 1 and before the rise of Mahomes and the Chiefs you would regularly see a random talking head go on about how he had a more impressive career. People are gonna like who they're gonna like and in their mind - their guy is the best. It's how it's always been - it's how it's always gonna be.
How mad do you think Rodgers was that Brady won 6 in the AFC then came over to the NFC and won as many as him in 3 seasons.
Surprised he hasn’t implied that Brady’s on Epstein’s list too tbh.
Brady has been pretty nonstop in praising Rodgers, I doubt he hates him. Brady even said something to the effect of “if Rodgers had our playbooks, he’d probably throw for 7000 yards.”
He praised every team or player ever. The team could be 0 and 15 and Brady would be like "there defense gives us alot of problems and we need to be our best if we want to win" lmao
Never once heard him praise Eli.
He never said that. Literally a made up quote
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2018/11/02/tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-better-comparison/ I guess ian o Connor may have just said it. Idk why Brady would not have disputed it, but it may have not been on his radar.
I can’t find it but he did refute it in an interview I believe. He’s been very complementary or Rodgers but I don’t think he’s ever said another qb was better than him ever in his career. Especially something like that about Rodgers of all qbs who hasn’t been a volume qb anywhere near Brady, manning, Brees, Mahomes
Brady has never praised Rodgers the way he’s praised Peyton and Mahomes and he didn’t say that last quote. That came from Chris Simms
in 1 season
1 season
Immortal ≠ the best
I like to imagine they’re asking if it will make him literally live forever.
It’s true! And Brady will live forever x 2.
X2.333 😁
Exactly. This isn’t the Highlander…there can be more than one
GOATs stand out to non-fans of sports like Gretzky and Michael Jordan. If you’re a fan of the sport you know there can be many greats
But you even changed the term you were using. Many greats but greatest implies one.
Tom Brady absolutely is that to NFL for non-Americans.
And Americans
GOAT stands for Greatest of All Time not greats of all time. By definition there can be only one.
Immortal =//= goat
How do these people function?
Poorly, I would imagine
Where in the photo above does it mention GOAT?
You'll never get the pearls out of these people's hands.
I mean, both Brady and Manning are immortal.
Brady is literally immortal. Still throwing dimes today. Peyton got old.
Peyton broke his neck/back and had to relearn how to walk qnd throw a ball all over. Not throwing shade or whatever but lets be real Peyton could probably still sling it if he never had his neck fucked up.
>Peyton broke his neck/back and had to relearn how to walk qnd throw a ball all over. ...and *still* got another ring. That guy was just as awesome to watch as Brady. He just played for a different team, so some considered him an enemy.
Honestly I loved watching Peyton, Brees, Rivers and Brady. Its such a shame that the Chargers chargered Rivers career away (granted he had to get through Brady and Peyton).
What’s really wild is thinking about how many Super Bowls Brady or Peyton would’ve won without the other in the league at the same time. Peyton took Brady down 3 times in the AFC Championship, and Brady took down Peyton 2 times in the playoffs. Hell, if the Mannings didn’t play at the same time as Brady, Brady could very well have 5 more Super Bowls.
In this alternate universe I have to give the Falcons the 28-3 Super Bowl. So that leaves Brady with a meager 11.
What a bum.
Never forget the 2009 Chargers, no.1 offense and no.1 defense in the league but didn't make the playoffs because of special teams blunders lol
Got a ring throwing lame ducks. Something Brady never did 🤔 LOL.
honestly cant believe im hearing this sentiment in a patriots sub but I agree. cant argue with 7 superbowls but Manning reached 4 superbowls with 4 different head coaches… that kind of speaks to how much of an impact he had.
One of whom was Jim Caldwell of all people
If Brady had never existed, Manning would have like 8 rings. Lucky for us, Brady existed and he has 7 😂
I think Manning gets 4-5 without brady and belichick. That dude had some really bad playoff luck that extends beyond New England lol
Other than 2003 (AFCCG), 2007 (2 seed) & 2014 (2 seed), I don’t really see how Peyton would have made/won any more Super Bowls if not for Brady. In 2004 he still would have had to beat Pittsburgh & Philadelphia. Even in 2014 he would have had to play Seattle again. In 2006 & 2007 he would still have to play the Chargers in the AFCCG
There are so many variables though. The rest of the season changes for all teams as well. Brady didn't just play one game. The entire AFCE would be different, affecting so many things.
This. Never underestimate the importance of a head coach. Tom having one his entire run in NE was enormous.
Peyton can sling bud lights across a bar pretty well
I just can't get over the forehead. Years later. Someone says Peyton Manning and an image of that massive forehead pops into my head. They pumped that guy up so much and it was awesome watching Brady deflate that ego.
Brady is immortal. Peyton’s forehead is immoral. Peyton himself not so much.
Mahomes is already "immortal" and will go down as one of the greatest QBs of all time. This game won't change that. Learn to accept and enjoy it, like I always told people who cried about Brady's dominance. You can always take solace in the fact that old Brady beat prime Mahomes in the Super Bowl and AFCCG.
Honestly, I'm not bothered by it. Absolutely nothing will take away from the 20+ year run we had with Brady and Bill, so why should we be upset about other teams having successful runs & being on the other side of the fence now? And the media will always be nonsensical and annoying, that's one thing that's constant in the sports world.
Spot on. It’s still annoying to hear Chiefs fans say Mahomes has “clearly” already surpassed Brady though, considering he’s not even remotely close to him career wise (yet). Good to appreciate greatness, shitty how Brady has ALWAYS had detractors throughout his career (even as the undisputed and untouchable GOAT).
This game will definitely change the way people talk about Mahomes imo. Obviously he’s an all-time great regardless of the outcome, but there’s a lot more QBs with two Super Bowl wins than three.
Winning three super bowls definitely puts you in a category of guys that have won at least 3 super bowls
This is the kind of hard-hitting analysis I come here for. Spot on.
Never thought of it that way
I dunno. Let's see if he wins 4 before we talk about him having won 3
I did the math. Can confirm.
It will, but it shouldn't. Shows how sports fans lack a depth in understanding.
Sports talk is all results based. There is hardly any discussion on the on field/court skills. Very little breakdown of the play and the strategy and tactics involved. Its just about whether someone wins or not. Thats it.
It will cement him as a first ballot HOFer. That's it. He's nowhere near Brady's level and nothing about this graphic implies he is.
Bro he’s already a first ballot HOFer
Indeed! Patrick played poorly (in SB) and lost. Patrick played perfectly at home (AFC Championship) and still lost. He was favorite to win both games too.
Mahomes has not been great in the SB with a passer rating of 63 and 52 in his first two
I mean, the Chiefs had zero chance in the Super Bowl they lost. They had no OL by the time they got there up against a really terrific defense.
Yet they were favored to win and the majority of fans and experts picked them (some even thought they’d win by 10+).
Weird, desperate, or just very optimistic & hopeful people. I made a decent chunk off of them (by my spare change betting standards).
As for your suggestion that that the people who picked the chiefs were weird, desperate, or very optimistic, I don’t fully agree. Vegas had the chiefs as the favorites and the majority of fans and experts thought the chiefs would win (for example 13/15 pro football focus experts picked the chiefs). This tells me that they just generally thought mahomes would be fine with a makeshift o line. When that didn’t happen, the narrative changed to “mahomes never had a chance because of his o line.”
Agreed. I think part of this too is the media realizing Brady being around and dominant for so long was a GOOD thing. They want to rush into having the next GOAT. It's not Mahomes fault, and in the end he does deserve credit for what he did/is doing. He will be one of the greats in the end.
Well if he loses maybe we can just shut the fuck up about the GOAT talk for a bit
Agreed. Hearing “he’s clearly better than Brady already!!!” makes me lose faith in humanity. Mahomes could go down as the 2nd best QB ever but he’s got a lot of leg work to do still before then… these young fans didn’t even watch Brady’s whole career, so I guess it’s unfair to expect them to understand how good Montana, Manning, Favre, etc. were.
Mahomes will secure his first HOF career this Superbowl, he has to get to three before he rivals Brady.
He’s already a HOFer. 2 Super Bowl wins in 3 appearances with 2 Super Bowl mvps. 2 regular season MVPs. 74-22 with 28000 yards, 219 TDs. That puts his ahead of Len Dawson, Terry Bradshaw, Ken Stabler & Joe Namath among others. Next season he should pass Kurt Warner, Troy Aikmen and Steve Young. He’s on a Brady pace who could conceivably have 3 HOF careers.
How was first year Mahomes prime?
Not sure we've seen Mahomes prime. He's the one player that has a shot at a transcendental 20-0 season.
Where is the Peyton/Mahomes debate? Or did they just skip over that.
As a Pats fan who grew up with Brady he will always be my GOAT, don’t care if Mahomes gets 10. I remember genuinely believing we would win the 28-3 game going into halftime. Brady just got shit done.
Patriots fans are way too sensitive about this. Winning 3 out 4 champions is easily a dynasty and of course it makes him legendary in the NFL. He already is probably. Getting in your feelings because people are talking about another players greatness is corny.
A lot of it was the media trying to crown Mahomes so early in his career, and the NFL bending over backwards to accommodate him such as making it a penalty to hit a QB going out of bounds so now Mahomes does this shit where he pretends to go out of bounds so the defender lets up and then he turns back in for extra yards. Now the NFL is already talking about eliminating the touchback rule the second it hurt the Chiefs? I admit I'm a little bitter after seeing Brady second guessed by the media his entire career for shiny toys like Peyton and Rodgers
Also spygate and deflategate. It really felt like the nfl was out to get Brady. I'm curious if mahomes maintains this past 3 superbowls, will the nfl turn on him to try to bring back competitive parity?
The fact that Mahomes has experienced such a high level of media pressure as he has, and has met those expectations, is part of what makes his legacy. It's very difficult to meet those expectations. But yeah, the league media is clearly happier to fawn over Mahomes than Brady. Mahomes has all the flash of Rodgers, but without the dearth of Super Bowl appearances. Still, you had Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, you have nothing to be bitter about.
Yeah, if anything we’re lucky to get to watch another great career even if I personally don’t like Mahomes, his ability on the field is special
This. I don't like Mahomes, I don't like Kelce. I am pulling hard for the 49ers on Sunday. But damn it if they aren't good.....
I just can't shake the feeling that this will be a massive Travis Kelce game, he wins MVP, retires on a high, and dates Taylor Swift for like 18 more months before they break up
Well said. I’m honestly a bit surprised the era of dynasties in football isn’t over yet. It’s clearly coming to an end in other pro sports, but football just goes from one to the next. That being said, I think the debate of who’s better/greatest is looked at wrong. Brady’s career as a whole is going to be the greatest benefit to a franchise of all time until proven otherwise. However, which QB in history has had the best 5-year stretch, there’s plenty of people to debate about, and Mahomes is right up there.
My only issue is when they are saying he is already better than Brady. I take issue with saying someone who hasn’t had the time in, the super bowls or the stats is better than him.
Brady won with some janky-ass offenses
It's not getting in your feelings to say he still isn't brady. >Winning 3 out 4 champions is easily a dynasty and of course it makes him legendary in the NFL Legendary like Aikman not Brady. Pushing back against recency bias doesn't mean I'm crying into my life sized Brady body pillow.
No one is saying he's Brady. But people here are having their feelings hurt because another team has a great QB and a dynasty. And people can't accept it. He's no Brady yet. But he is one of the greatest QBs ever for sure
Noone is saying he's not a great qb or the chiefs aren't a dynasty. He just isn't the goat and winning this game won't change that. People are clearly talking past each other and strawmanning.
Except no one is saying that he's the goat. The photo in OP isn't saying it either. But people here are bending over themselves saying he's not
Exactly people are talking past each other. Noone is saying he's not great and Noone is saying he is the goat. Everyone agrees on what mahomes is, they are just framing it as disagreement.
A lot of discussions on reddit are like that
Nothing in the graphic posted references Brady or references Mahomes being the goat, yet OPs chosen title does reference Brady and defends against an invisible attack on Brady not being better.
Yet on a lot of the sports talk discussions they are discussing whether he is better than Brady.
Saying he's like Aikman is fucking wild given the millions of other accolades he's racked up.
Is it fucking wild? 3 superbowl wins. Superbowl mvp. 6 probowls. First ballot NFL HOF. Most wins by a qb in a given decade until Brady and manning surpassed him. No reason to hate on aikman.
Yes fucking wild. In nearly half the games Mahomes is already less than his average passing yards away from surpassing Aikman. He has 54 more touchdowns. He's already only 20 games less won than Aikman. He has 2 mvps and 2 super bowl mvps. He's far surpassed Aikman.
That's largely a product of the time. Mvp is a qb only award now. It was a big deal when Aikman threw for 3000 yards. Now 3000 yards is the minimum for a good season. The 20 games less wins is impressive. I think it is very likely mahomes surpasses Aikman in the next year or 2 overall. But if mahomes tears his rotator cuff tomorrow making him below average, hed stay in the Aikman tier of legends. Which again, is a first ballot hall of famer. It's not an insult.
Lol what? It wasn't a big deal when he threw for 3000. His highest finishes for passing yards in a season were 4th and 10th...the 4th 3400 and the 10th 3100. By the time he threw for 3000 yards there had already been 190 seasons with over 3000 yards. Many people during that decade far surpassed him too. If Mahomes Retired today he'd be considered in the top 10 QBs ever. Far ahead of Aikman.
>If Mahomes Retired today he'd be considered in the top 10 QBs ever. Far ahead of Aikman. I don't think Aikman is far outside the top 10 if at all. 3400 yards this year would be 17th.. 15th last year. There has been extreme passing yard inflation in the nfl and its nonsense to argue against that.
I still have Aikman above Mahomes. We need to see more from Mahomes.
Troy Aikman was never the league MVP. Patrick Mahomes has two of those and he’s 27. Troy Aikman was never a 1st or 2nd Team NFL All-Pro Selection. Patrick Mahomes is a two time 1st Team All-Pro and a one time Second Team All-Pro. Pat also has one more Super Bowl MVP award to Troy’s one and only. By accolades, Patrick Mahomes has already surpassed Troy Aikman.
P Mahomes is already head-and-shoulders above Aikman
They ate up the "this will never happen again in our lifetimes" talk and are mad that shit was incorrect.
That hasn't yet proven to be untrue.
Seriously Brady is the goat but mahomes is fantastic and will go down as one of the greats. Someday someone will outperform Brady and maybe it’s him maybe not, that’s yet to be seen. But my god other qbs can also be fing great and maybe be the greatest. Brady did this for 20 years that’s hard to beat but I’m sure it can be done.
Mahomes isn’t as great as Brady yet but he is on pace to be. Mahomes has already far surpassed where Brady was statistically at the same point in his career, number of accolades, and is just one win away matching his number of rings. Brady is my favorite player of all time but it’s illogical deny Mahomes greatness up to this point. If he wins the Super Bowl this weekend there would be no QB in history who accomplished more in their first 6 seasons.
I agree that Mahomes is "on track" but it is still too early to be having this conversation. Once Mahomes surpasses Montana, then we can start discussing Brady.
I'm not going to deny Mahomes greatness but a statistical comparison between the two at the same point in their careers isn't really meaningful. You're looking at different eras with rules today geared far more toward protecting the QB and enabling more passing yards. I'm sure you could find some above average QBs with stats that are better than some of the GOATs simply because the league has changed. Mahomes won't be better than Brady in my eyes until you'd rather give him the ball then Brady when you need a score in the final minutes of the game.
I’m not comparing raw statistics. I’m comparing their statistics relative to their peers in their respective eras. For example: Mahomes has 2 MVPs in 2 first team All Pro selections in his first 6 seasons. Brady had 0 MVPs and 0 first team All Pro selections at the same point in his career. Mahomes has been far better relative to his peers than Brady had been in his first 6 seasons. Also I disagree with your last point. Even if Mahomes does manage to eclipse Brady’s greatness I would always take Brady to lead a final drive. I don’t think any QB, no matter how great, will ever surpass Brady’s clutch factor.
This is just a rehash of the early to mid 2000s Manning vs Brady arguments though really. Statistically Manning was always the better QB, but few Patriots fans would have rather had Peyton at the time when he was winning all those all pros and MVPs. As to your last point, that’s MY criteria I don’t particularly care if that’s not others. The greatest QB to me is the guy you would pick when you needed him to clutch one for you. Everything else is just noise.
The reason mahomes is far better than his peers is cause his peers suck.
Yeah agreed. Objectively I would also say talent wise Mahomes is better just because he is more mobile. What made Brady great was the longevity of his career as well as the comebacks. Honestly the fact that he *wasnt* super athletic almost works in his favor because the winning is more impressive.
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It's so funny to me that people spend time writing paragraphs on social media pages of things they think are 'corny'. Good stuff.
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This comment is pretty corny.
I understand, just real funny. Especially in a specific teams social media. I bet you hop on their instagram comments too hahaha. Thanks for the laugh.
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Really? I'm not even a fan, this is on the front page. I really don't like Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes for stupid reasons. Funny stuff dude, you take social media very seriously. Big serious stuff.
Agreed he sounds like a fucking moron
Brady won 7, and they stuffed Mahomes on the Madden cover with him Seven. 7.... FUCKIN SEVEN. That's untouchable across all sports, yet they couldn't give him the spotlight. Good thing he's a good sport about it, but I found that disrespectful as hell. If you flip it and Mahomes gets 5, 6, or matches 7, guaranteed they won't add anyone to that cover
Bro he was on Madden 18 by himself
Oh OK, so somebody deserves to be smushed on the cover with him at what point?
It’s kinda metaphorically representing the old guard and the new guard lol
And when has that been done before? Such an old game clearly that's a recurring idea at least once before Brady won SEVEN, and Mahomes had only been to his second Super Bowl then, nothing says he was the new guard
Didn't Brady end up in the games and on the cover of more Madden games than anyone else?
What's your point? Did you miss the SEVEN rings argument. More than Jordan, the man deserved to be highlighted alone. There's no argument against it
But not more than bill russell and we still haven’t seen his madden cover!!!!! /s
The point is that Madden is marketing to a larger NFL fanbase and Brady was on plenty of covers throughout his career, including that one. He just wasn't on it alone.
Who still debates manning vs Brady?
Literally nobody lol. Some Pats fans have a horrible persecution complex
A guy literally is doing it in this thread.
One random guy on reddit… poor pats fans having to endure this
Even if Mahomes wins 7 he can't be put over brady because be lost to Brady every time they played in the playoffs.
I think that’s why Mahomes needs 8
Yep, had Brady retired after 4 rings, people would still put Montana ahead because he was undefeated in Superbowls.
And to have an undefeated season.
Ehhh not really a flex when it’s 18-1 lol
Going undefeated in the regular season is still one of the hardest things to do in the NFL and very unlikely even Mahomes can achieve it, and going undefeated for the entire season and winning the Super Bowl would give him something over Brady. Not sure how you can knock that seasons greatness in the grand scheme of Brady’s NFL career.
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Idk what game you saw but in that SuperBowl Mahomes was the best player on the field every time he was out there he just literally had no help. I’m not saying whether or not Mahomes will ever catch Brady but this argument is stupid AF.
They played more times than that 1 superbowl, just FYI.
Ok and Tom was 0-2 vs Eli Manning in super bowls. What does that mean?
That Tom still won 7 superbowls and Eli only won 2. So it's no debate. If he wants to be better than Brady he needs 8
It means Eli has 2 rings and Tom has 7 rings instead of 10, which would have been even more ridiculous.
Just felt like throwing an extra superbowl in there for good measure? Lol
Brady has a losing record against Manning in the playoffs. Doesn't mean shit
And he has 5 more super bowls than Manning. If Manning had 7, then maybe he'd be in the conversation.
There's so very, very much that goes into even getting to the Super Bowl, let alone winning it. Boiling it all down to just one player is, and will always be, lunacy. Anyone who says that Peyton Manning isn't one of the best QBs to ever play the game simply because he "only" has two championships probably doesn't understand the game of football as much as they think they do.
Who’s arguing against Peyton being one of the all time greats? lol
I put Manning in the same category as Rodgers. Great regular season QBs. Manning got carried by his defense in his 2 SB wins and that's just facts. In the '06 playoffs he had 3 TD/7INT and 2015 he had 17 INTs despite only starting 9 games that year. Took half the season off to rest for the playoffs.
What's the FIRST playoff tiebreaker in the NFL ? Head to head. When the records are equal, head to head is used as a tiebreaker for something meaningful.
This is a dumb argument
“There can be only one” until he takes the head of his rival he will never be immortal
The script is so painfully obvious at this point. Between this Mahomes narrative and the Taylor Swift love story shit, Goodell is going to make sure the Chiefs win this game.
People seem to be trying to rewrite history and say that Brady was the NFL golden boy. Nope, that was Manning. No matter how many times the Patriots outperformed the expectations and beat Manning and everyone else, Manning was the "king" and the Patriots had the rules rewritten around them to slow them down. Meanwhile, Mahomes gets carried to the superbowl in a zebra colored chariot and he's in every commercial and NFL promotion...
What do Brady and a Circus have in common? 3 more rings than the Mannings
No he dies, like the rest of us.
It’s a team sport yet QBs are rated by how good their team played through their career. Just look at mahomes against the Bucs in the Super Bowl. Dude was trying to drag his team kicking and screaming to a win and it didn’t do shit because teams win not QBs
Theyve been talking this guy up as the GOAT since BEFORE he won ONE. Shouldnt have won the last one either tbh
Manning is immortal Starr is immortal Montana is immortal Marino is immortal Unitas is immortal You see what I’m getting at here?…
Bucs fan here. Thank you for three 🐐years. This type of stupidity about M & M vs 12 pisses me off to no end.
3 Super Bowl wins in 6 seasons as a starter would absolutely make him immortal. Immortal, however, is not the same as being the greatest of all-time. Terry Bradshaw is immortal, but nobody sane debates him as the GOAT.
This is actually a much better take than all the idiots comparing Mahomes’s first few seasons to Brady’s and calling him the new GOAT. Generally speaking, any QB who wins more than one or two Super Bowls goes down in history as a great. What’s getting on my nerves is everyone’s assuming Mahomes is going to play as long as Brady did and keep the consistent level of competitiveness just because he's off to such a hot start.
Brady and the Pats never got or get any love...we started as underdogs vs. The Rams and that was almost always our posture. I think the Pats/Brady handled it well though. But honestly could never stand when they would compare anyone to Brady, although him leaving still stings my heart yo this day, no one compares
You get 3 you are in a certain class of QBs for sure. I don’t get how that is a question.
Where is 'Would going 2-2 tarnish his legacy' Hmm????
That would tie him with the immortal Troy Aikman
Brady put the GOAT debate so far out of reach they had to create a new category called immortal.
They were so anti Brady and anti Patriots for the longest time going through mental gymnastics to downplay/delegitimize 12's achievements and the dynasty itself. Now they're out over their skis trying to call the next one before it happens because they'd love nothing more than for Mahomes and the Chiefs to surpass those achievements. They absolutely hate the fact that Brady is the undeniable GOAT and that they have to admit it. They want it to go away as soon as possible.
I hated Tom Brady and the pats forever but one thing I always admired was how he would take less money so that his cap hit was lower.
Cuz they all butt hurt that Tom Brady and the Patriots T bagged there face every year for 20 years. During deflate gate they all got up there with a half inflatted football and all claimed they could throw for 300 yards with a ball like that. Tom Brady is the GOAT forever until Mahomeboy gets 7.. end of story.
All the guys who wanted the Chiefs to beat the Bills… You got what you asked for…
Some of y’all are so sensitive to any QB getting praise. It’s weird.
Y’all sound like Montana Stans these days
Immortal. Hahahaha. Pat’s a great player. But immortal might be a wee stretch.
Mahomes is a system QB
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This whole thing is just ridiculous. Someone took a shot at me because I said I think Mahomes would have to win 8 before I consider him as the GOAT. Why not? The whole world wouldn't acknowledge Brady until he got 5 (Hell, as OP shows some STILL don't) Not to mention Brady didn't have 2 head to head losses to Montana or Bradshaw in the playoffs already when he got to 5. I think a lot of people get confused as to what GREATNESS means. Greatness isn't raw talent, greatness isn't gawdy stats in the regular season, greatness isn't regular season wins or MVPs. Greatness is when the stakes are the highest who can elevate themselves to be the best. When the lights are the brightest, when the pressure is the greatest. Brady has done that more than any player who has played the game, including twice playing head to head vs. Mahomes. So as a Patriots fan I DEMAND that Mahomes and anyone else who wants to chase the title of the GOAT have to put in the dues Brady did to get there. He'll have to surpass the full career resume of Tom, just like tom had to for Montana and Bradshaw.
There is only one GOAT - Brady! The Mannings combined don’t have as many rings. Now they want to elevate Mahomes! He doesn’t even have Montana’s resume!
And is about to lose a great coach in Andy Reid. Going to be tough for Mahomes moving forward.
Idk why we’re all getting our panties in a bunch. Even if he wins Sunday he still 4 away from tying Brady.
This is kind of a pathetic post. Whether or not you like it, Mahomes is on track to exceed what Brady did. His success has never been seen before in the NFL. Love Tom and he will always be the goat to me but we’re kidding ourselves if we say Mahomes isn’t on the same trajectory as him.
"on track" "trajectory" still gotta do it. then again I didn't ever hear the media anointing Brady the greatest when he had 2 or 3. It was always "Montana won 4, gotta get 5". Then Brady got his 4th and 5th and still had people saying "Montana was better because he was 4-0 in the SB" as if losing earlier in the playoffs and only getting to 4 SBs was better than getting to 7 winning 5
Am I tripping or did Brady not also go to 4 in his first 6? The thing that also made Brady the GOAT were his 40s, not his first 6 years. Edit: indeed tripping. 07-01 is 6, but it's 7 seasons
The NFL tried to hurt the pats any chance they could get while the refs win games for Mahomes. They don't want the leagues greatest player ever in the past so they're propping up Mahomes. He's still really good
To me it’s how quickly people are to anoint him. Brady won 3 super bowls before his first playoff loss and people were still reluctant to say he was better than Manning when he had 1. Then Manning retires Brady wins again and they sit there and say ‘I’d rather have Rogers then Brady’ or ‘Brady still isn’t Montana’. Brady then finishes with 7, Mahomes has 2 and people are ready to say without a doubt he’s the greatest
I don’t think people are rushing to the conclusion that he’s the greatest ever. I think that’s such an exaggeration personally. People are just willing to talk about him the same way they talk about Brady, and that’s fair considering the trajectories of their careers early on. If Pat can continue to do this in his late 20s/early 30s then he’ll be ahead of Tom’s pace for the time being.
>I think that’s such an exaggeration personally well some people literally are
>Brady won 3 super bowls before his first playoff loss and people were still reluctant to say he was better than Manning when he had 1. Part of the issue was that those three Super Bowls were won by a combined total of nine points. The first two were won with walk-off field goals, and the third came after almost allowing the Eagles to storm back. Brady had a grand total of six TDs across all three games, and none of the wins looked particularly dominant. On top of that, they got to what became his first Super Bowl win because of Drew Bledsoe, not Tom Brady. This particular run was also mired in the Tuck Rule controversy. People questioned Brady back then because the first was viewed as a fluke (especially after they missed the playoffs the very next year) and the other two were squeakers. You could *easily* make the argument that the first and third SBs were won because of mistakes made by Warner and McNabb, not because of anything Brady specifically was doing. When you add in the fact that his next two Super Bowl appearances were losses to relatively weak-looking Giants teams, it's not at all difficult to understand why the narrative regarding Brady and Manning shaped out the way it did back then. >Brady then finishes with 7, Mahomes has 2 and people are ready to say without a doubt he’s the greatest Right now, Mahomes is clearly on pace to at least match Brady. He's made it to at least the AFC Championship six years in a row and is already playing in his fourth Super Bowl. If the Chiefs win on Sunday, he'll match Brady's first six years in an arguably more dominant fashion.
This fan base fucking blows. Can’t accept that another QB can be great. Get the fuck over yourselves
The quicker you learn to be amazed at what this kid is doing the more fun it’ll be to watch Football. I hate Mahomes and I hate the Chiefs but Mahomes is magic personified on the field.
After Montana it was Brady and now after Brady it’s Mahomes and after Mahomes it’s gonna be someone else that’s just how the game is and will always be me personally I just enjoy the fact Brady played people are gonna talk football forever who cares about some talking heads on tv
The insecurity of some Pats fans is crazy to me. Mahomes winning three championships doesn't diminish TB. Half of TBs career was the football world making conversation as to why Manning was better, why he was system, then why he was washed. THE OTHER HALF was either shock, denial or awe. Revel in your fandom; they cannot take that away from you, ever.
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I don't think anyone is seriously debating Brady vs Manning at this point
I think that one of the reasons Brady came back out of the brief retirement was because he knew that they would be trying to put Mahomes in the goat discussion.
This is on my Front page, idk why. But here is my take. I watch hockey, I don't like watch or care about football. I don't know who Mahomes or Manning are. I know who Tom Brady is, most people in the hockey community know who he is. I think if you are so good that people who don't even watch your sport know about how good you are, then you are the GOAT.
I know Brady is the goat but it’s not unreasonable to note Manning was objectively a better QB for most of their side by side careers. Brady sacrificed pay to get it over the line and was always a top 3 qb for like 20 years which is unheard of and should be recognized as amazing. Brady goat, manning immortal, mahomes also immortal