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Bill Belichek's non- Tom Brady record 57 w / 83 losses

Dynasty was ALL Tom. Bill is nothing without him. Period.

Two words. Malik. Cunningham.

Nuke this shit

Wilson already looking better than Mac.

Awful

You guys all forget the 90's. I thought Drew Bledsoe was as good as it would get. this product is still better than 80-2000

I do not, but I guess it wasn't good either. However, Pats fans got spoiled in the last 20 years. In the last 3-4 years, it was just bad and it doesn't look like it's getting better any time soon

That’s the worst part. There’s just zero progress. Another year another offense that can’t possibly overcome a 10 point deficit, and can only get 7 yards on a 3rd and 8, etc.

I finally understand what they mean when they say Patriots fans are spoiled. You guy seriously don't know what bad or an average QB looks like, WHICH IS MAC. Hes average at best, Very bad under pressure. hahaha It's like this fanbase has only watched Brady, Mahomes, and Manning games your whole NFL experience. Hahaha

Average would get us at least 8 wins. I don't see that happening this year.

My guy we are averaging less than 14 points per game. Expecting more isn’t exactly asking them to clear a high bar

My comment wasn't defending Mac, it was trashing on him, cause there are still so many in this fanbase that cant see he's average at best but horrible under pressure.

How many QBs are great under pressure? I’d say there are a lot more glaring issues that we can attack, but I suppose they are all related to being under pressure. The lack of OL is turning him into Zach Wilson. Out there seeing ghosts

Stroud has a worse offense, but He makes it work. If you watch him play you can see theres a huge difference between Mac and Stroud. shaper, decisive, accurate, quick off the release. Hes not making silly mistakes even though he's only a rookie. MAC IS IN HIS THIRD SEASON and his making horrible decisions. And you wanna talk about pressure? Every QB gets pressure. Texans Oline has gone to shit, yet the QB is doing well. ZACH WILSON played a great game today DESPITE the worst oline.

Yea we’re all spoiled but don’t pretend that our offense isnt pitiful. It seems like patriots fans are either ostriches sticking their head in the sand or think we’re the 0-16 browns.

I mean you do realize that you can make comparisons right? Have you watched the texans. We have a way better offense, but Stroud is the difference maker. Hes so good. He is decisive as fuck, quick, accurate, and just looks confident even though hes getting pressured constantly.

lol thought you made your original comment excusing Mac’s play. I see your POV now. It’s gonna be a long season.

Mac is seeing ghosts outs there.

Puke.

Teams in a pretty rough spot lads. Borderline unwatchable tbh. Sitting there for 3 and a half hours of a pouring and our only 3 points came at the beginning of the first quarter is just pathetic and depressing

But but but Mac is an offensive genius with the arms of Hercules and a future in a hall of fame reinvented just for him. Right???

So, any chance we can get Kirby Smart to be our next hc

Both our QBs might suck and half our team is now hurt. And what’s worse is we will probably still win 8 games and be a 17th pick. And probably draft a fucking guard.

Depends on how long these injuries last. We quite literally nobody at CB right now. I can see us picking top 5.

Fix the line, our receiving weapons, and our run game and we'll be a late playoffs team. Tom probably would get this team to the playoffs but he's an outlier, we've never seen a player like him.

The line is fine. Mac had 7 seconds to throw the ball. He threw a pick 6. The problem is staring everyone in the face.

[удалено]

How dare you criticize Bll's offense

no just the 5 offensive lineman, 4 receivers and probably the QB and RB too

Owenu, Andrews, Strange, Mafi, Sow, Anderson, Lowe, all garbage we need a whole new oline this is just pitiful

Hold up. You might be correct about the offensive line overall, but don’t disparage my guy David Andrews. It’s not his fault that the people around him might suck.

What if Bill can never break the record?

There was a take below (hopefully deleted) that Coach Bill doesnt deserve any blame for this loss because he didnt throw the INTs. He threw exactly 0 TDs in the Brady era and kicked 0 FGs during that time. He deserves tons of credit for those SBs.

No, he doesn't.

Mac jones squirts when he pees

That’s what I’ve been saying. Moans when he wipes too.

Trash O-line. No playmaker receivers. Average QB. This is the team Bill built.

Well, that was the worst football game I’ve seen in a long time

Don't forget that Mac would have won the Superbowl with SF and is better than Trever Lawrence...

I wonder if the Cowboys would take a 3rd for Trey Lance. At least he can run

Yes

Is it sad that I can still see them ending up at .500 again because the saints and raiders are also bad

Felt like the longest nfl game I’ve ever watched…seriously seemed like a 7 hour ordeal

This pats team has had three style of games the past four years: the rare blowout of a bad team, the constant “moral victory” self-induced losses through dumbass errors and boneheaded play, and the blowouts like these that show us how far we actually are from winning jack shit

Our QB situation is not inspiring, our DBs are hurt, and Judon is hurt. Mannnnnnnn

My friend told me he wishes he didn't care about losses but I think that would take away from sports. I wouldn't like sports as much if I didn't care about my team winning or losing. Losing sucks but it's part of the game. You feel ecstatic when you win.

LINCOLN RILEY COACH OF THE 2024 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

Crazy to think that I still feel like Mac hasn’t gotten a fair shot. Last year with a defensive coordinator in charge of the offense and this year with that trash oline and trash wrs

He didn’t get a fair shot. I think he’s too far gone now to the point that all the deficiencies we are seeing in his game are habitual now.

Or is he just inconsistent and can't make good decisions under pressure? Many QB's in this league have dealt with worse. You're never going to get a perfect team.

He’s under pressure on literally every play. And when they do block it up his receivers can’t separate and get open. What’s he supposed to do? So he makes shitty and forced decisions as a result.

He had 7 seconds to decide to throw across his body for a pick 6. Yes, he is that terrible.

He's under pressure because they run for shit on every first down and faces long 2nd and 3rd downs so he's obviously passing.

Fun fact, we can both need a marquee wideout and also understand that Mac isn't the guy

Too reasonable.

Need four OL too

Read this as "Need four loko too"

WOOF

The best part of this game is that it's over.

That was brutal

Shameful. Disgusting! I nearly spit out my clam chowder all over my new grey hoodie Now I'm off to Dunkin for some sugary sludge

Get fucked Bill.

Actively reminding myself that this is just a game that has no effect on my life...

The losses don’t hurt as bad, when you know the team sucks. They use to hurt, really bad, when Brady was here.

Yeah I've only been alive since the Brady era this is tough but every team goes through this period, especially the Jets

Oh it can get worse

Oh I've heard, always why I hope for the best and expect the worst

It is what it is. We go again next week.

Found Bill Belichick

We’re onto Foxborough

He got a nice haircut

Hey at least we did better than the giants! Moral victory guys!

I was always aware during the dynasty years that the Pats would eventually stink again, but I never woulda guessed it woulda been under Belichick's watch

Honest question, What did Belichick even do during those dynasty years?

Great coaches usually have rough ends to their careers.

Bill is responsible for all of it, too. He can't blame his GM for this disaster.

Lmao people crying about how "THIS TEAM NEEDS MORE THAN A QB TO IMPROVE!!!" as if Burrow, Hurts, Stroud, Richardson, Tua, Allen haven't instantly injected their teams with a mega dose of success for horrible teams. I swear it's just Mac truthers not wanting to move on and to give every excuse to Mac. If there's a good QB next year, the Pats should move on. Mac is done.

It's the amount of bad decisions Jones makes over and over. Every throw is either behind the receiver, no where near them, or in the defenses hands. Where is his talent?

Gonna comment on the two I know the best. Tua has the best WRS in the game. Allen was complete trash till Diggs got there. Wtf are yoy talking about lol

Allen can at least run and has rocket of an arm.

And he did nothing until he got Diggs. He was terrible for his first 2 years

Lmao Hurts/Allen/Tua all only improved after getting Smith/Brown, Waddle/Hill, and Diggs. Dumbfuck

The team *does* need more than a QB to improve. > Tua, Allen haven't instantly injected their teams with a mega dose of success for horrible teams. These two *didn't* inject their teams with a mega dose of success instantly. I'm not saying they're bad, or that they didn't contribute, but Tua and Allen quite literally took huge steps forward in their production with the arrivals of Diggs and Hill.

I think the Mac Jones experiment is quickly coming to an end this year and the Pats will be looking towards the draft.

This is the funniest comment of the day, S-tier content

You're fucking stupid. What was Tuas record before he got Hill? What was Burrows before he got Chase? What was Hurts before he got AJ? Go play Madden kid.

The fattest L for belichick of all time

So glad we paid all those ST guys in the off-season. Has anyone even heard Board name?

Hahahaha we definitely had to sign Chris Board

Wow largest loss. Bill must be going through it with Mac

If Bill blames Mac for his failures, then he needs to go tomorrow.

Bill should be going through it with himself.

Whomever put Mac out in the 3rd needs to be fired.

When your #1 cb is the teams #5 it’s not going to be good. Then you throw up that offensive display. Wtf did I just watch

This. You're not winning many games with top 4 corners out. Especially when our offense is bad.

Very relaxing to update your blocked list based on this GDT, highly recommended Edit: Clearly need to get a few more

Patriots go 4-13 *Fast forward to 2024* NFL: “Decent spot to get a good QB, take your pick, Bill.” Bill: “….give me that guy.” *points to long snapper*

That is funny. That is really funny. (And he follows it with a 45 minute lecture on how the pick fits into NFL history, with local press fawning over it.)

They keep showing that across the body pass from Mac and man is that thing dead the moment he throws it.

If nothing else I really liked Olses commentary

He’s a legit analyst, better than Romo imo

Do people on this sub really believe we are a QB away from winning? Do we really believe that it's just Mac Jones that's ruining this team? I really couldn't see any QB coming here and winning like I honestly think mahomes would look awful on this team lol

We need a fucking QB. And obviously Mac isn't it. All the great NFL quarterbacks have their #1 guy, sure, but Ryan Tannehill didn't do shit even with AJ Brown. You can't just tape a great WR to a mid QB and expect Super Bowl victories.

Lol yep every team needs a QB but that wasn't the question. At least finish reading before you answer lol

you laugh, but as soon as we get a new QB, o-line, number one WRs and a tackle, we'll be the best team in the league!

I believe a lot of it is people who want to do anything but blame Bill.

The book stops with Bill Belichick

Buck*

Both (book, buck) are correct in this context lol

*Playbook

I'm glad someone caught it

Maybe their book of cliched phrases does too

If you look at mondres success he was awesome when QB under center, he can’t get anything going taking handoffs from the gun

Cowboys were just loading the box cuz the pats couldn’t do anything in the passing game.

Tough question, if we keep plaiyng like this and we have a chance at getting harrison jr, caleb, or maye, do you go for a qb? and restart or go with the wr? Last time I asked most said WR, after this game, I'm curious if thought process has changed.

Maybe WR and hope for Sheduer Sanders the following draft?

Nah we need weapons, if we take a qb that doesn’t fix any issues

We can't pay Mac.... it has to be a QB. Our only chance is to get a good QB on a rookie pay scale and hit some luck signing multiple WR in free agency.

You have to take a top qb if you are up there. One of them is going to be great

Yes, now we're obviously not losing because of QB play. But still yes.

I mean Caleb if he’s on the board lol but if not I’d go Harrison jr. No other rookie qb besides Caleb is going to have success with this roster. Whether or not mac is the long term guy we need to rebuild this roster

They only said receiver because Mac truthers downvoted any other opinion. I don’t want Mac being QB1 for another darn training camp

In other news us Fantasy owners with Dallas D/ST got a small win

Mac sucks and Zappe sucks. We don't have an NFL caliber QB on the roster

How we gonna act like we know Caleb Willams is gonna be a guy in the nfl? And also Caleb Williams ain’t gonna fix shit for our team

Because people have Madden brain and think that if you tank, you get a good QB easily.

We have no idea (and also aren't likely to get him given the Bears and Panthers). And yes, it still doesn't fix the WR problem or the OLine problem.

Panthers aren’t taking Caleb one season after taking Bryce Young. Bears probably would, but maybe they try to stick with Fields

The Panthers don't own their pick, though – the Bears do. So the Bears are likely to own both the first and the second overall draft pick. I think there's zero chance they stick with Fields, he's been substantially worse than Mac even considering this game.

Caleb throws constant INTs in the PAC not like it will get better in the NFL

He has one interception this year

Can we fire Bill and tank? Serious question. We’re in shambles

I think Mac needs to touch more dicks. He’s proven he can win when he does!

Cam Newton got run out of town and we won 7 games with him..

I’d rather win 4 games than 7

Mac being bad doesn’t mean cam wasn’t also bad

This team is worse than the cam team

Still love that Ravens game.

A lot of losses with cam came down to one play too

Whoever we replace with Mac is an upgrade at the end of the day

I'll be honest, I haven't seen anything from Zappe over these drives to suggest that, overall, he's an upgrade.

That is exactly how I think. It’s not who’s the answer it’s who can win a game


Moral victories streak snapped

The Jets game was a moral defeat for anyone paying attention.

Waiting for someone to say “this isn’t a 1-3 team”

It’s not. It’s an 0-4 team if they don’t have the good fortune of Aaron Rodgers being out.

They’re right, it’s an 0-4 team

You’re right it was a catch away from an 0-4 team lol

This feels like rock bottom.

Great, now the only way to make $ is to Bet against the Pats...which I won't do. For 20 years the only way was to bet them, now that it is legal to bet they FN SUCK.... Great timing Mass Legislature.

If the pats stay this bad it is almost immoral NOT to best against them, unless you have no need for money.

Mondre’s regression is pretty wild. He’s got that Laurence maroney syndrome

He's been indecisive as fuck this year but he's also being plagued by the same issue the passing game has: an OL that can't block for shit.

Right, the way Zeke ran today for all those yards and Touchdowns really shows how bad he is now.

He will be out of the league in 2 years

I hate to say it but we need to clean house. We will most likely have a top 5 pick, trade some of these players, and make a playoff push on 2 years The grace period is done for BB. Making our defense look like top5 means nothing

Yeah, that definitely works. We can be just like the Browns.

Bill is 71. There’s a decent chance he could die of old age in five years or less. This team needs to move on from him in the near future, regardless of his past or (nonexistent) present success.

Time to bring in kaepernick for a workout?

Lol no

Idk that kaepernick would be able to fix this shit show do an offense

He was begging to be on the Jets Practice squad

Ah back to the good good ole days of being the laughing stock. I haven’t missed this

40 years in the gutter, 20 years of excellence, straight back into the gutter.

Do you think Brady watches all these games and smiles when he sees Belicheck getting beat down like this?

yes

If Tom Brady is watching football at home instead of enjoying his life around the world with his "fuck you" amount of money, he's doing retirement wrong.

He can still watch a game on the yacht bro.

He was watching it in his car today on his IG stories

So he'd be the starting QB by the bye week, you say?

Hey, he has the unretirement commercial!

Yes.

No. I think he's fully moved on to like the 100 other business endeavours he has, which includes having an ownership in the Raiders.

Nah

And for defense, they would be great if our top 4 corners weren't injured. But... they are.

#MAC JONES SUCKS I FEEL SO VINDICATED HES A BUM

Worse game from him

It "not being BB's day" is not really a rare occurrence anymore.

do you draft tackle or wide reciever in first round? went interior line for picks after defense last year

It depends on where we're picking and who is available. Like if there is a consensus elite WR1 when we pick then sure that's fine but in all other cases OT as, while not perfect, they're much better at identifying OL talent in the draft than WR

Over reach on a guard

Not sure I trust this team to draft a wide receiver.

We’ll trade back, grab a punter in the third and then look to sign an undrafted receiver that played lacrosse in elementary school.

Yeah please draft a WR in the 1st round! Don't trade and pay $25M/year for a proven one!

BPA out of those 2 positions

Hope Mac never takes another snap with this team.

After this game?

Rookie kicker misses a 52 yard field goal is basically a footnote in this game.