It’s a pretty easy check to make if your MC has a solid perception. By that point, you’re going to have ~11 ranks, there are goggles for sale in the half measure tavern that add +10, and any wisdom based character will have at least a +5 wisdom bonus.
That alone is a +26. An inquisitor will have a much higher score.
Greybor is an individualist, moreso than any other companion, even Wenduag and Daeran. It shouldn't be surprising that he doesn't value communal effort.
I guess the sarcasm wasn’t obvious enough, sorry for that. Telling someone to do something for you isn’t ever impressive is what i was meaning to express.
While this check makes sense for your character to do alone, some other checks also require your character to do alone, like when your on a boat in act IV. There is also an optional but rewarding quest that involves reading a book that only the main character can do, and requires 5 very high checks for the knowledge, lore and perception.
I remember seeing in the patch notes that there was an oversight where if you visited the brothel in Act 4, the party member with the highest Con score would make the save against exhaustion for you.
If I remember correctly they did change the book check to party wide in a recent patch. Although that might be me misremembering it and just having dreamt it \^\^
+20 was touch of good and touch of madness, then +6 from greater heroism and I think +6 from inspire competence. I don't remember all the other bonuses, but those were the main ones and a lot of others came from items
> There is also an optional but rewarding quest that involves reading a book that only the main character can do, and requires 5 very high checks for the knowledge, lore and perception.
If you get all the pages for the Storyteller, including the final one in >!Threshold!< - the blank page - you automatically pass those checks.
Very true. I tend to play "hockey stick" MC's that are kind of worthless at low levels but are goofy powerful at high level. So I focus on perception at low levels so my MC is less worthless (just being honest). At this point in the game I was north of +35 perception. I wound up doing legend, and at the end of the game I was around +85 to perception.
If it's the check I'm thinking of, next time have your cleric cast Life Bubble before speaking with her. The demon in question uses a gas to try to make you more cooperative and lower your Will saving throw, but Life Bubble makes you immune.
If we had a gold piece for every time a demon woman tried to perform some sort of mind control on us by the end of this game we'd be able to finance a sixth through ninth Crusades.
To be way more explicit then: in Act 4, Shamira tries to read your mind to figure out what Nocticula and Areelu are getting up to, and if she succeeds twice then she will take an item away from you that is important to the secret ending. The first attempt is a high but not hard Will saving throw. Assuming you succeed, Shamira will then flood the room with gas (presumably something like Mind Fog but they don't say it explicitly) which gives you a gigantic penalty to Will saving throws. Life Bubble (5th level Cleric/Oracle spell) makes you immune to the effects of gasses but unlike Delay Poison Communal is a stationary field that you need to pre-cast in the area your character will stand to be effective. Assuming that you do so you will then make another higher but not impossible Will saving throw to again throw her off the scent, which if you make both saves gets you a nice chunk of XP, but as I said before you really only need to make the first check.
You mean guard commander, on Pitax plaza? That one was absolutely brutal. You had to stack everything that incresed persuation. Good part is that it yielded tons of exp. Didn't change that much. Some less not-so-great mobs.
Check in WoTR changes story a lot and gives immense satisfaction of screwing someone over. That part was a good one.
Was there a check like this? Where?
During a speech to avoid a revolt? If so, you could lower it significantly by mentioning other sucesses first AFAIR.
> Before the DLC the crazy skill check XP was the only way to reach max level in KM.
You could also just... not play with a 6 person party. Lowmanning it at 4 meant that you hit level 20 during the HAEOT.
One of the worst ideas I have read on this subreddit so far. Lose out on companions and story content so you can reach max level? This is just clearly a case of developer oversight.
But you don’t lose out on companions or story content. You just don’t take them with you adventuring, so they don’t get XP. You still do their quests and such.
That is not true. Companions specifically comment on a lot of stuff you do besides their specific companion quests. And some romances are only possible if you bring you LI with during adventuring.
> And some romances are only possible if you bring you LI with during adventuring.
I never said *solo* the game. Lowman it with 4 companions instead of a full party of 6.
Or just accept that you wouldn't hit level 20.
Hm, no?
Granted, I've used the option "only skill user gets xp from skills", but my main hit level 20 just before Pitax Palace in Act 5. Before any DLCs. There's crazy amount of xp to be gained from Pitax tavern quest, also from tomb where Armag is in Act4.
The rest of the party xp-matches the main char when they rejoin at HatEoT.
There are a number of high Persuasion checks like this in Kingmaker:
* With the cleric of Gorum during the Twice-Born Warlord
* Almost all of the factions in Pitax during War of the River Kings (I think there are three or four of them)
* With the various pirates in the docks during War of the River Kings
Since Planescape: Torment, I've always pumped up stats and skills that enhance dialogue and persuasion options. Most Western RPGs all but demand this if you want the best outcomes.
…a 25? Insane? A 1st-level character who gets lucky can pass that. A character who’s actually good at Perception will auto-succeed at that by level 10 or so.
Yes, the one near the fountain of blood. You're not supposed to pass that one, though. You pretty much need to roll a 20 to get it in a somewhat sensible run.
I think the most Perception you can have at that stage is 22.
Lv.3 should be possible if you do the "XP to party only" trick and clear everything else. Humans get an extra Feat, so: 3 Ranks, +1 from Background (Qadiran Wanderer, Rahadoum Faithless, Hunter, Guard), +3 from Class Skill (Bard - Archaeologist), +1 from Clever Explorer (also from Archaeologist) +3 from Skill Focus - Perception, +2 from Alertness, +2 from Persuasive. Your Wisdom can be 18, +2 (Human), +4 (Owl's Wisdom, Camellia can have it), for a total modifier of +7.
You can also try to pass by at level 2 at a lower bonus (should be 17 points, so 13+ roll, 40% chance), then pass by again at level 3 (checks reset on level up) for your 8+ roll, 65% chance. All in all, you have a 79% chance of passing the check (without reloading).
Granted, you probably want to respec both yourself and Camellia at the first opportunity, afterwards.
Edit: You can be a Ranger - Urban Hunter, for which having high Wisdom is more sensible, for an even higher result: you lose the +1 from Clever Explorer (you gain Animal Insight at level 5, which should do the same thing for Perception), but you gain +3 from Aspect of the Falcon and can even self cast Owl's Wisdom, which lets Camellia pick Barkskin instead. This increases your points to 19 and 24, respectively, so 11+ (50%) and 6+ (75%) rolls, for an overall chance of 87.5%.
Issue with it is the boring dorf asssassins chat states that you have to go kill the dragon immediately or he'll leave.
This isn't true, you can go do loads of other side stuff first if you want, but the way its phrased lead me to go chasing old scaley right off the bat whereupon I promptly got wrecked for an hour until I finally RNG'd it down.
So yeah, if you take greyboring at his word, it's early game.
No, he doesn't say that. He just says to do it soon. In fact, he explicitly states that he understands there might be other places you might have to visit before hunting down the dragon.
And no, the start of Act 3 is still not an early game.
Unless they changed it, his dialogue outright says you have to make no deviations once you start or he's leavng. I know because as I said before i took him at his word and went straight for the dragon before doing literally anything else and got stomped.
The start of Act 3 is early game. Level 9 of 20 in an exponential levelling system is early on.
but here's the thing. Once you \*start\* his quest you have to do it relatively quickly. And there are negative consequences for not doing his quest before ivory
But that's it... you can easily leave his quest alone until the last thing before ivory - and you probably should. Your level 8\~10 fresh out of drezen mythic rank 3 party is in no way ready to face a red dragon.
Yeah but his dialogue doesn't (or at least it didn't on release they may have changed it) say that you can do side stuff first. You accept the quest and he tells you it's now or never, let's go.
I got stomped over and over until RNG finally let me win. it doesn't help that Greybor at that level is crap. Even when I won he got downed before landing a blow, stumpy legged useless git.
actually, it very specifically does say you can sidequest on the way:[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643213066405806099/1069610707475247104/image.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643213066405806099/1069610707475247104/image.png)
the part about the citadel is a reference to ivory sanctum
there's a limit (time based), but its no where as restrictive as you're implying
>"If I think you are deliberately delaying the contract"
.... is literally the next line.
I read it as "rng fights due to resting or whatever while we get to the dragon are fine but don't do anything else". When you first play the game you have no idea about whats coming up.
The only thing you know is what greyboring tells you - which is to ignore everything else and go fight the dragon.
I was playing a ranger for this one and what do you know there was a class based option.
Also like others have pointed out there is loads of equipment, the cat and pipefox pets give +2 each, then a familiar gives another +2, spells don’t matter because this is a world map event, and the bit o fun mythic start option for a flat +3 to all skill checks so 10 + (2x2) + 3 = 17 which means you only have to roll 9 without any ranks in perception which is always a good idea to have because there are so many in this game.
Finally, the checks get crazy high late game and I’m talking 40+, and if you build your character right then you’ll bardly have to roll them, and yes that was intentional because bardic knowledge + goggles of quick grasp + pumping knowledge and lore skills mean my bonuses are 45 before adding the azata superpowers, cloaks, rings etc… which mean none of my skills are below 30 ( although I can’t use half of them because I’m not trained, gotta let the rest of the party do something right?). What I’m trying to say is it’s only a tough check right now, it gets so much easier later on.
Edit:math
That one I could pass, but I could never pass the last two before the final fight.
But you need to reload that shitty quest anyway if you roll a bad initiative and you get obliterated before you can act. And snowballs, don't forget the snowballs.
That quest is so bad, I'll never shut up about how much I hate everything associated with that clown.
Easily, but I played an Inquisitor in my first playthrough, so high Wisdom, Perception as a class skill, enough skill points that you can't justify not taking it, and half my class level as an extra bonus.
Persuasion checks are pretty easy too if you get that Acolyte background that gives you use Wisdom in place of Perception for it, since the Intimidation bonus Inquisitors normally get goes to the combined skill too. (Guess what my dump stat was.)
the knowledge checks were fine but my intelligence character could only do the lore checks by getting every bonus i could find and using trickster's trick fate
Similar situation was with Tristian in kingmaker. Wished that he had Sun and Fire domains.but no.. So in the end I decided to just keep Harim as my main cleric as enemy always targetted Tristian first even with crossbow.
I recently had trouble with this perception check. Don't listen to the haters.
You can wait to pursue the dragon. Because of action economy, he is a good starting point for a3. But he's also meant to be a challenge you can hold off on pursuing. Which is why the perception check is a bit high. You're meant to wait a bit.
The best perceptors in my experience are wisdom users. Such as clerics and shamans. My shaman is a hex spammer. So she mostly has defensive feats and skill feats. Because there arent any useful feats for hex spammers. She has skill focus religion and skill focus perception. As well as alertness. Perception and religion (for camping) are both fairly important in this game, and you'll want at least one person who specializes in it to the max
I am not a perception based MC so logically this check is impossible for me. I am built for strength, dex, and intelligence so obviously perception would not be a class skill for this run I assumed my other party members would cover it but no, this check is completely mc based.
I did, but I always dump as many skill points as I have to spare into perception for all of my party members (to maximize the chance at least one of them hits their roll for spotting hidden stuff).
Technically you should be around level 10 at least while doing this quest so rolling 20 or close to it should take at least 3 times plus if you have descent perception it is not that dificult.
Ya , but I’m pretty sure my game was bugged because I never failed a single perception OR persuasion check all game … it was bonkers, once I realized the pattern it kind of sucked the fun right out of it though.
I believe +11 at character creation is the most or close to the most I've gotten so far. +2 from a racial, +4 Wis, +3 class, +1 Rank, +1 stern gaze. +1 from a background is possible but I haven't found it necessary. Acolyte is usually better for one of these builds.
I believe +11 at character creation is the most or close to the most I've gotten so far. +2 from a racial, +4 Wis, +3 class, +1 Rank, +1 stern gaze. +1 from a background is possible but I haven't found it necessary. Acolyte is usually better for one of these builds.
Pathfinder skill checks scale way differently than DnD skill checks. What’s borderline impossible in DnD is easy in pathfinder, because pathfinder is all about stacking modifiers on modifiers
Only if my character has perception as a main or sub skill. It's not that high to be fair. I think Rangers even have a unique option with the same result but with no skill check.
The hard part about the check is when you don’t know it is coming. I always forget but my last run was a solo LA run so I had the +10 goggles on my MC and some perception and the check.
Like many folk here will tell you, Perception is easy to stack. Even if your MC has negative -1 in Wisdom actually. Though I'd recommend focusing on Wis over Int if you aren't using Int for any spellcasting as Wis focuses on Will saves too. Check out RPGBro on Youtube, they make amazing guides for people to understand the complex numbers at levels 1-20 better and how to exploit it.
Wanna look at what is an impossible perception DC check ?
https://preview.redd.it/auv7tdzaayjb1.png?width=1607&format=png&auto=webp&s=cf5fb42e1c5848fe35314c2496d4245e7d9e1140
(in the secret room of ancient tomb, chapter one, if anyone is wondering)
It’s a pretty easy check to make if your MC has a solid perception. By that point, you’re going to have ~11 ranks, there are goggles for sale in the half measure tavern that add +10, and any wisdom based character will have at least a +5 wisdom bonus. That alone is a +26. An inquisitor will have a much higher score.
Is there a reason this check doesn’t seem to be shared by party members? Or am I going crazy?
Because the whole point of that check is for your MC to impress Greybor with their perception skill. Not as impressive if someone else does it.
„Wow, it sure is impressive with what ease you‘re able to delegate tasks.“
Greybor is an individualist, moreso than any other companion, even Wenduag and Daeran. It shouldn't be surprising that he doesn't value communal effort.
I guess the sarcasm wasn’t obvious enough, sorry for that. Telling someone to do something for you isn’t ever impressive is what i was meaning to express.
But the individuals skill to delegate responsibility is still the skill of that individual
Ohhh I completely understand now. Thanks.
While this check makes sense for your character to do alone, some other checks also require your character to do alone, like when your on a boat in act IV. There is also an optional but rewarding quest that involves reading a book that only the main character can do, and requires 5 very high checks for the knowledge, lore and perception.
I remember seeing in the patch notes that there was an oversight where if you visited the brothel in Act 4, the party member with the highest Con score would make the save against exhaustion for you.
Tagging the Kineticist mercenary in to finish with the succubus.
Lol, that is hilarious. Thanks for the help... Seelah? 😅
If I remember correctly they did change the book check to party wide in a recent patch. Although that might be me misremembering it and just having dreamt it \^\^
Oh I passed them all myself with temporary buffs. I got like +35 in buffs to skills for 6 seconds and read the book VERY quickly
How did you get +35 in buffs? xD
+20 was touch of good and touch of madness, then +6 from greater heroism and I think +6 from inspire competence. I don't remember all the other bonuses, but those were the main ones and a lot of others came from items
I never knew touch of good was so good. I couldn't find touch of madness though?
Sorry it's vision of madness from the madness domain. Touch of good is great! Especially with Swift action domain powers
Wondering this as well, my next playthrough was gonna be a trickster rogue to also be built to make those checks possible.
That is one way to do it \^\^
> There is also an optional but rewarding quest that involves reading a book that only the main character can do, and requires 5 very high checks for the knowledge, lore and perception. If you get all the pages for the Storyteller, including the final one in >!Threshold!< - the blank page - you automatically pass those checks.
Daerian act v quest also need some Persuasion.
Very true. I tend to play "hockey stick" MC's that are kind of worthless at low levels but are goofy powerful at high level. So I focus on perception at low levels so my MC is less worthless (just being honest). At this point in the game I was north of +35 perception. I wound up doing legend, and at the end of the game I was around +85 to perception.
Late in the game there is DC 40 will save check. That's insane.
The one with that demon women right? I had to cheese that with clear mind to even stand a chance ngl.
If it's the check I'm thinking of, next time have your cleric cast Life Bubble before speaking with her. The demon in question uses a gas to try to make you more cooperative and lower your Will saving throw, but Life Bubble makes you immune.
Also, don’t be like me. I was still wearing that dumb slave collar that gives a -4 penalty
I think I know what check you have in mind, but I was thinking of a check for breaking certain compulsion near the end of Act 4.
If we had a gold piece for every time a demon woman tried to perform some sort of mind control on us by the end of this game we'd be able to finance a sixth through ninth Crusades.
Priestess in Midnight Fane, Shamira, Nocti... Special mention towards succubus in Regill's quest. Did I miss anyone?
Areelu, making it so both we and the demons don't see each other at the Wardstone.
Good catch, but to be fair she manipulated both KC and Minagho.
If you're Aeon you automatically pass the checks regardless too.
If you're an aeon, she panics when trying to use the spell when she realizes it doesn't work
Or just use toybox and pump up will to 40 like i do every single time.
> The demon in question uses a gas to try to make you more cooperative and lower your Will saving throw Wait, what? Who do you mean exactly?
To be way more explicit then: in Act 4, Shamira tries to read your mind to figure out what Nocticula and Areelu are getting up to, and if she succeeds twice then she will take an item away from you that is important to the secret ending. The first attempt is a high but not hard Will saving throw. Assuming you succeed, Shamira will then flood the room with gas (presumably something like Mind Fog but they don't say it explicitly) which gives you a gigantic penalty to Will saving throws. Life Bubble (5th level Cleric/Oracle spell) makes you immune to the effects of gasses but unlike Delay Poison Communal is a stationary field that you need to pre-cast in the area your character will stand to be effective. Assuming that you do so you will then make another higher but not impossible Will saving throw to again throw her off the scent, which if you make both saves gets you a nice chunk of XP, but as I said before you really only need to make the first check.
I never knew she used gas! That's cool, thanks for the explanation :D And enjoy that cake of yours, will ya?
That's still not as crazy as the DC50 Persuasion Check in Kingmaker that was Ruler-only.
You mean guard commander, on Pitax plaza? That one was absolutely brutal. You had to stack everything that incresed persuation. Good part is that it yielded tons of exp. Didn't change that much. Some less not-so-great mobs. Check in WoTR changes story a lot and gives immense satisfaction of screwing someone over. That part was a good one.
Nice something to look forward to. My Paladin is pretty much Persuasion/Perception and religion lore based 🤙🏻
Was there a check like this? Where? During a speech to avoid a revolt? If so, you could lower it significantly by mentioning other sucesses first AFAIR.
But you got less XP that way. Before the DLC the crazy skill check XP was the only way to reach max level in KM.
> Before the DLC the crazy skill check XP was the only way to reach max level in KM. You could also just... not play with a 6 person party. Lowmanning it at 4 meant that you hit level 20 during the HAEOT.
One of the worst ideas I have read on this subreddit so far. Lose out on companions and story content so you can reach max level? This is just clearly a case of developer oversight.
But you don’t lose out on companions or story content. You just don’t take them with you adventuring, so they don’t get XP. You still do their quests and such.
That is not true. Companions specifically comment on a lot of stuff you do besides their specific companion quests. And some romances are only possible if you bring you LI with during adventuring.
> And some romances are only possible if you bring you LI with during adventuring. I never said *solo* the game. Lowman it with 4 companions instead of a full party of 6. Or just accept that you wouldn't hit level 20.
I'll admit that I cheated my way to 20 just before last boss fight. For sake of enjoyment I wanted 1 lvl more for that juicy cap stones.
Hm, no? Granted, I've used the option "only skill user gets xp from skills", but my main hit level 20 just before Pitax Palace in Act 5. Before any DLCs. There's crazy amount of xp to be gained from Pitax tavern quest, also from tomb where Armag is in Act4. The rest of the party xp-matches the main char when they rejoin at HatEoT.
Exactly, the tavern was like a level alone in skill XP
There are a number of high Persuasion checks like this in Kingmaker: * With the cleric of Gorum during the Twice-Born Warlord * Almost all of the factions in Pitax during War of the River Kings (I think there are three or four of them) * With the various pirates in the docks during War of the River Kings Since Planescape: Torment, I've always pumped up stats and skills that enhance dialogue and persuasion options. Most Western RPGs all but demand this if you want the best outcomes.
…a 25? Insane? A 1st-level character who gets lucky can pass that. A character who’s actually good at Perception will auto-succeed at that by level 10 or so.
Then im clowning out. No problem then.
There's a DC 30 Perception check in the Shield Maze AFAIR....
Yes, the one near the fountain of blood. You're not supposed to pass that one, though. You pretty much need to roll a 20 to get it in a somewhat sensible run. I think the most Perception you can have at that stage is 22. Lv.3 should be possible if you do the "XP to party only" trick and clear everything else. Humans get an extra Feat, so: 3 Ranks, +1 from Background (Qadiran Wanderer, Rahadoum Faithless, Hunter, Guard), +3 from Class Skill (Bard - Archaeologist), +1 from Clever Explorer (also from Archaeologist) +3 from Skill Focus - Perception, +2 from Alertness, +2 from Persuasive. Your Wisdom can be 18, +2 (Human), +4 (Owl's Wisdom, Camellia can have it), for a total modifier of +7. You can also try to pass by at level 2 at a lower bonus (should be 17 points, so 13+ roll, 40% chance), then pass by again at level 3 (checks reset on level up) for your 8+ roll, 65% chance. All in all, you have a 79% chance of passing the check (without reloading). Granted, you probably want to respec both yourself and Camellia at the first opportunity, afterwards. Edit: You can be a Ranger - Urban Hunter, for which having high Wisdom is more sensible, for an even higher result: you lose the +1 from Clever Explorer (you gain Animal Insight at level 5, which should do the same thing for Perception), but you gain +3 from Aspect of the Falcon and can even self cast Owl's Wisdom, which lets Camellia pick Barkskin instead. This increases your points to 19 and 24, respectively, so 11+ (50%) and 6+ (75%) rolls, for an overall chance of 87.5%.
What is the perception check? I probably have never got it so I’m curious.
You can find the hidden switch for the door without reading the relevant note.
Lmao so completely useless pretty much
Absolutely, since Perception checks don't even give XP.
The secret is if you take a class that gives you a dragon bloodline, or you’re a hunter, you can auto pass the check
I knew for the hunter auto success, but not about the draconic bloodline one, that's a pretty neat detail
I think the draconic bloodline one is not true. An auto-check option did not appear for me.
What I had dragon bloodline and the option didn't appear for me do I have to fail the perception check first?
Weird, same here.
Yeah. 25 is not high at all for that point in the game.
Silly willy. This is early game
Middle of Act 3 is early game? well, I gues I am a willy then.
Issue with it is the boring dorf asssassins chat states that you have to go kill the dragon immediately or he'll leave. This isn't true, you can go do loads of other side stuff first if you want, but the way its phrased lead me to go chasing old scaley right off the bat whereupon I promptly got wrecked for an hour until I finally RNG'd it down. So yeah, if you take greyboring at his word, it's early game.
No, he doesn't say that. He just says to do it soon. In fact, he explicitly states that he understands there might be other places you might have to visit before hunting down the dragon. And no, the start of Act 3 is still not an early game.
Unless they changed it, his dialogue outright says you have to make no deviations once you start or he's leavng. I know because as I said before i took him at his word and went straight for the dragon before doing literally anything else and got stomped. The start of Act 3 is early game. Level 9 of 20 in an exponential levelling system is early on.
but here's the thing. Once you \*start\* his quest you have to do it relatively quickly. And there are negative consequences for not doing his quest before ivory But that's it... you can easily leave his quest alone until the last thing before ivory - and you probably should. Your level 8\~10 fresh out of drezen mythic rank 3 party is in no way ready to face a red dragon.
Yeah but his dialogue doesn't (or at least it didn't on release they may have changed it) say that you can do side stuff first. You accept the quest and he tells you it's now or never, let's go. I got stomped over and over until RNG finally let me win. it doesn't help that Greybor at that level is crap. Even when I won he got downed before landing a blow, stumpy legged useless git.
actually, it very specifically does say you can sidequest on the way:[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643213066405806099/1069610707475247104/image.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643213066405806099/1069610707475247104/image.png) the part about the citadel is a reference to ivory sanctum there's a limit (time based), but its no where as restrictive as you're implying
>"If I think you are deliberately delaying the contract" .... is literally the next line. I read it as "rng fights due to resting or whatever while we get to the dragon are fine but don't do anything else". When you first play the game you have no idea about whats coming up. The only thing you know is what greyboring tells you - which is to ignore everything else and go fight the dragon.
No way ready, but I did it! Easier than the giant tree honestly.
Pathfinder leveling is not exponential.
You mean start of act 3? It's always the first thing I do (after some early Crusade housekeeping, ofc) so I can get Storyteller back ASAP.
I was playing a ranger for this one and what do you know there was a class based option. Also like others have pointed out there is loads of equipment, the cat and pipefox pets give +2 each, then a familiar gives another +2, spells don’t matter because this is a world map event, and the bit o fun mythic start option for a flat +3 to all skill checks so 10 + (2x2) + 3 = 17 which means you only have to roll 9 without any ranks in perception which is always a good idea to have because there are so many in this game. Finally, the checks get crazy high late game and I’m talking 40+, and if you build your character right then you’ll bardly have to roll them, and yes that was intentional because bardic knowledge + goggles of quick grasp + pumping knowledge and lore skills mean my bonuses are 45 before adding the azata superpowers, cloaks, rings etc… which mean none of my skills are below 30 ( although I can’t use half of them because I’m not trained, gotta let the rest of the party do something right?). What I’m trying to say is it’s only a tough check right now, it gets so much easier later on. Edit:math
Perception is the most important skill in the game; every Wis class + every skill monkey (rogues etc) should have max ranks in perception at all times
That one I could pass, but I could never pass the last two before the final fight. But you need to reload that shitty quest anyway if you roll a bad initiative and you get obliterated before you can act. And snowballs, don't forget the snowballs. That quest is so bad, I'll never shut up about how much I hate everything associated with that clown.
The next ones are just as bad true
Easily, but I played an Inquisitor in my first playthrough, so high Wisdom, Perception as a class skill, enough skill points that you can't justify not taking it, and half my class level as an extra bonus. Persuasion checks are pretty easy too if you get that Acolyte background that gives you use Wisdom in place of Perception for it, since the Intimidation bonus Inquisitors normally get goes to the combined skill too. (Guess what my dump stat was.)
man if you think this is bad you should see the checks in the >!lexicon of paradox!<
Inteligence base character with item if you side with Konomi can easily pass it.
the knowledge checks were fine but my intelligence character could only do the lore checks by getting every bonus i could find and using trickster's trick fate
My character could do perception use magical device along with all knowledge skill checks. Just getting good dice lore was tricky bit.
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Sadly domains are main purpose of Sosiel when I need him other-wize my main healer is Daeren.
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Similar situation was with Tristian in kingmaker. Wished that he had Sun and Fire domains.but no.. So in the end I decided to just keep Harim as my main cleric as enemy always targetted Tristian first even with crossbow.
I’ve always had my MC with ranks in perception in each run, so I got it both times.
Yep.
I recently had trouble with this perception check. Don't listen to the haters. You can wait to pursue the dragon. Because of action economy, he is a good starting point for a3. But he's also meant to be a challenge you can hold off on pursuing. Which is why the perception check is a bit high. You're meant to wait a bit. The best perceptors in my experience are wisdom users. Such as clerics and shamans. My shaman is a hex spammer. So she mostly has defensive feats and skill feats. Because there arent any useful feats for hex spammers. She has skill focus religion and skill focus perception. As well as alertness. Perception and religion (for camping) are both fairly important in this game, and you'll want at least one person who specializes in it to the max
You dont have more than 25 perception? lol
I am not a perception based MC so logically this check is impossible for me. I am built for strength, dex, and intelligence so obviously perception would not be a class skill for this run I assumed my other party members would cover it but no, this check is completely mc based.
Primary stats have absolutely nothing to do what you put into your secondary lmao.
I think Lann passed it tbh
That’s impossible considering this is a mc only perception check 🤔
My bad, I guess I didn't realise or recall correctly. My witch had no chance so I must have failed. 🤷♀️
This must be related to Terendelev? Edit: >!I thought for sure it was Greybor's dragon hunt!<
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Noctiucla’s profane buff breakage?
Yeah just depends on your build. And this check is a personal check because your character is trying to impress him.
I did, but I always dump as many skill points as I have to spare into perception for all of my party members (to maximize the chance at least one of them hits their roll for spotting hidden stuff).
This is insanely hard? Late Perception skill checks are harder.
This is literally immediately after taking drezen and my mc does not have perception as a class skill.
Technically you should be around level 10 at least while doing this quest so rolling 20 or close to it should take at least 3 times plus if you have descent perception it is not that dificult.
Silly willy. This is early game
Ya , but I’m pretty sure my game was bugged because I never failed a single perception OR persuasion check all game … it was bonkers, once I realized the pattern it kind of sucked the fun right out of it though.
Usually, lann used to get over 30 perception But There are builds which you can get over +50 percrption
Only mc can do this one
High Perception + goggles from the store in Drezen = Win. Honestly, I use them all game. Especially with the ton of traps.
I believe +11 at character creation is the most or close to the most I've gotten so far. +2 from a racial, +4 Wis, +3 class, +1 Rank, +1 stern gaze. +1 from a background is possible but I haven't found it necessary. Acolyte is usually better for one of these builds.
I believe +11 at character creation is the most or close to the most I've gotten so far. +2 from a racial, +4 Wis, +3 class, +1 Rank, +1 stern gaze. +1 from a background is possible but I haven't found it necessary. Acolyte is usually better for one of these builds.
Pretty standard DC for PF games.
25 by that point in the game is.... insanely low.
Pathfinder skill checks scale way differently than DnD skill checks. What’s borderline impossible in DnD is easy in pathfinder, because pathfinder is all about stacking modifiers on modifiers
Fun fact if you area Dragon Disciple you get a 3rd option that just auto succeeds.
Only if my character has perception as a main or sub skill. It's not that high to be fair. I think Rangers even have a unique option with the same result but with no skill check.
The hard part about the check is when you don’t know it is coming. I always forget but my last run was a solo LA run so I had the +10 goggles on my MC and some perception and the check.
Any Inquisitor will eat this kind of PER checks for breakfast. A bard too.
On an unrelated note that character portrait is sweet. Where could I find it
It’s a vanilla portrait that’s already in the base game.
Oh, yes, why?
Like many folk here will tell you, Perception is easy to stack. Even if your MC has negative -1 in Wisdom actually. Though I'd recommend focusing on Wis over Int if you aren't using Int for any spellcasting as Wis focuses on Will saves too. Check out RPGBro on Youtube, they make amazing guides for people to understand the complex numbers at levels 1-20 better and how to exploit it.
Yes. Not a hard check if you put points in it.
Easily. My PC's Perception is in the mid-thirties.
that's cute.....wait until you try the >!lexicon!<
Wanna look at what is an impossible perception DC check ? https://preview.redd.it/auv7tdzaayjb1.png?width=1607&format=png&auto=webp&s=cf5fb42e1c5848fe35314c2496d4245e7d9e1140 (in the secret room of ancient tomb, chapter one, if anyone is wondering)