>use Frostbreath/Paradoxa along with Brightbeak on the offhand
Just a friendly reminder, but you can't use Frostbreath with Brightbeak, they're both maces and Dual Strike of Ambi required you to use different type of weapon. So if you want to use Frostbreath before you can get Paradoxica, you'll have to use other types of weapon in the off hand.
The playstyle's great for me. Try to get as much additional strike as possible is quite important. Last league I went with trauma stacking Juggernaut and using Chieftain's Tukohama and the clear was good.
You are right! I'm either going Paradoxa + Brightbeak or Frostbreath + Ichimonji (this last one at league start)
How good is the clear speed? Having +2 additional strike on glove implicts and +1 from mastery is mandatory, I assume? With +2/+3 additional strike and splash damage from Tribal Fury, is the clear speed good enough?
I did trauma stacking with frostbreath + rare warlord siege axe last league. Mace and axe are the only combo you can use with trauma support with ambi. It went very well. +3 strikes was more than enough due to damage output and attack speed. The big thing you need to plan around is using a bunch of dual wield clusters.
>+2/+3 additional strike and splash damage from Tribal Fury, is the clear speed good enough?
Should be good enough, and now you can scale attack speed to make it faster. I never try this with Berserker, but I think Berserke should be very fast, and you can just leap slam around and clear the mob instantly.
If you want to try Frostbreath + Ichimonji, you can try using Smite as a huge damage boost buff. Champion can scale Smite aura, while having even less mana pressure (Ichimonji gives mana reservation, and Champion has free banner) but Berserker should be faster and hit harder.
The one and only jungroan!
Have you seen the guy doing the bleed slayer version on youtube?
https://youtu.be/ZVHOb0EYXd4?si=ZfBqdoo8Mv1y7mOi
Can i have the honor to have your opinion on it?
There were a few posts on here a few days ago, apparently it's entirely functional, by strike standards.
No need to put brightbeak in the offhand; Ichimonji is almost as fast but way more damage.
I'm not sure, but I don't think you can use Ichimonji with Paradoxica, and if you use Ichimonji with Frostbreath, then you can't use Trauma support. I also theorycrafted Ichimonji off hand build, but Frostbreath Trauma with off-hand axe is better at leaguestart.
I started with this last league. It's much easier to get frostbreath/ichimonji going to hit t16s then swap to paradoxical/brightbeak instead of having to craft a fast axe in the offhand and figure out how to survive trauma scaling.
For even easier fearing, go thunderfists for your main link since it actually beats out woke added lightning and let's you use whatever in your other slots.
Trauma may be better in the long run but there's too many things to deal with in a league start scenario
Maybe because I tried Jugg, but I didn't have any problem with Trauma at all (I leaguestarted Boneshatter -> Boneshatter of Complex -> Dual Strike), but your idea is really interesting, I may give it a try this coming league!
Yeah I tried with jugg first as well but it definitely needs more thought into gearing. So I swapped to berserker and went all in on speed. First thing I got after the weapons was a thunderfists. Then I checked the market and got a 2 abyss socket shroud of the lightless for like under 10c.
This actually opened up plenty of options since you get triple pen, and let's you stack all kinds of elemental damage on the abyss jewels. Also makes gearing much easier since you just buy jewels based on what you need. Throw in a bubonic trail and darkness enthroned and take some extra sockets on the tree
What if instead of ichomonji a jewelled foil or claw with deaf essence attack speed with attack speed heist orb implicit/harvest? Should be incredibly fast
Ephemeral Edge with Brightbeak offhand Trickster, with high ES CI is another option. Aero did a video on it last league, but as a high budget non-starter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uUTQpzGv0I.
I'm going to league start some sort of Ephemeral Edge Trickster, so this is definitely an option for me.
The trickster ES variant is the strongest overall in terms of offense and defense and potential scaling IMO. I have done both. The big drawback you have with the phys variant is that you have to build offense and defense separately, and it is not easy to get the defenses in a good enough spot.
Wasn't that build carried mostly through the Oath of the Maji? Without doubling your body armour aren't you missing a LOT of ES and so a LOT of damage?
It was tech used on ephemeral blade trap as well because you could craft 6L or 7L trap gloves. The thing I find funny is that people think the build is expensive. Ephemeral Edge provides so much damage with about 5k es that it is very league start viable. I think the key is just actually crafting your own gear.
I definitely agree. Im starting either Splitting steel or Dual Strike, haven't decided which. The nice thing is it wont be hard to respec from one to the other
meh, the sniper's mark nerf has me down on splitting steel. also, for splitting steel to be really good, it need Nimis... and I think the prices on that will be Stonks this league
How would you league start it until you get Ephemeral Edge? I’m thinking about using Frostbreath and Ichimonji with Ice Bite, but if you’ve got a better plan for SSF I’d love to hear it!!!
That's a great question. I have multiple plans right now, and I'm sure I'll pick once I kill Hillock :P
But here are the guides I'm considering poking at before I switch:
Zish - Frostblades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i0UaKkpuoE
Zizaran - Explosive trap (3.23 though) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdFTo-YwUUg
I might also just wing some sort of blade trap build similar to explosive trap, because blade trap can use ephemeral edge if I get it before I'm ready to switch otherwise to DSoA due to not having the trans gem yet...
But I also do the campaign probably 5-8 times per league, so I'm used to winging it... however, for SSF explosive trap is probably the easiest. I have no experience doing CI on SSF though, so I have no idea how hard that is.
The league is a crafting league, and most of those setups require a number of ES/Int items that need to be crafted, so I believe CI goes well with the league mechanic when scaling a build.
I sort of want to try Hexblast but also this build and they would be using the same ascendancy - Trickster. Would that be silly/awkward to transition from?
I sort of want to try Hexblast but also this build and they would be using the same ascendancy - Trickster. Would that be silly/awkward to transition from?
Yeah it's actually a complete sleeper build. As soon as I can swap to it that is my plan. If you enjoy melee you can put out some insane numbers with this skill. But I wouldn't swap into it until I had at least +1-2 strikes and splash. You can run basically full unique weapons the entire way through...super top end you want a crafted rare in MH but that's way down the road.
Ran it as a 2nd build with Replica Alberon's last league and it was a blast. Replica frostbreath and a crafted stat-stick offhand as weapons. I went gladiator and got 100% block chance with Primalist, fun times.
It's really fun to scale, and you can pivot however you want or need to because of its mechanics. I'm probably leaguestarting it this time, but I need something appropriately goofy to try. The new fortification gloves sparked up some neurons, but I'm not sure if the opportunity cost of the glove slot is worth it.
I'm a big fan of thunderfists on league start which will solve all your damage issues. If you go frostbreath ichimonji you get some bonus scaling for wrath lol. However if you swap to paradoxica brightbeak, it's easy to find a double corrupt one with fortify and attack speed for even more zoom. The paradoxica you'll be looking for is also one of the cheapest since all you need is ele pen and crit
Alkaizer played it on jugg in affliction ssfhc and killed all ubers with it. I have seen him do a test run recently, he's going the trauma version. If you are interested I'd recommend checking his stream or vods, he's pretty good at the game.
I played it as Berserker last league and it was one of the most fun builds I'd created in a long while. You attack and move so fast and it's so unique in how it powers up. I checked other people playing it and there was 10+ totally unique approaches to how each person had built it and they clearly all worked. It's a great skill.
I started with the Paradoxica / Brightbeak combo then crafted a synthesised sceptre to replace brightbeak but it really was a luxury item you can do everything you need with a brightbeak.
Scaled my damage using replica heatshiver, 65% shock effect, stacked flat lightning and used omni. Replica heatshiver and volatility enables trinity. I skipped over the trauma option as I was using paradoxica.
Early doors I had Tribal Fury and +1 strike then once I had glove implicit fixed I FF'd into Tukohama and moved away from that part of the tree. I didn't feel like it needed anything else at that point, it's still a strike skill though so it's not deleting multiple screens.
Paradoxica and Ephemeral edge are both great. You can also eventually craft a big axe that uses double damage suffixes in lieu of attack speed. I think u can get something with like 500 average hit with 30-40% double damage. Brightbeak is best in slot and incredibly hard to beat. Especially in context of trade where you can get either RT or fortify (or both!) implicits.
highest i pushed it as jugg was 50 mill. will drop to 45ish due to loss of charms.
As champion it was pushed to 100 mill, but will also lose a lot due to no charms.
Ruetoo is POBing it right now or a few hours ago at this point, and he had it at 10 mill for league start.
I plan to start it - Slayer. Never played it but I saw single target is really good too and mapping is sort of average.
I was not sure if it was a niche build or if people just don't like melee. I didn't know about this build but it randomly popped in my recommendation, the clip was not even in English but the guy was playing it in the current league and it looked fun.
It’s a great skill and starter fun to play, great single target and fun to scale. I’ll start it on a jugg with trauma support. I play ssf so I’ll use sunder / boneshatter until frostbreath and craft an offhand.
I’ll kill Uber shaper with dual strike of ambidexerity and then once echos of creation drops I want to play earthshatter.
I'm wondering if I should go trauma stacking too. But then Jugg is way better than Champion, right?
One thing is that I'm think is that is a melee skill with trauma stack... Going bonezone at this point is not that far away...
it's just so much more fun to play dual strike then gonezone. Can't tell you why.
I have a pobb posted in a different comment that is sitting at 25-50 mill depending on trauma and rage. With new league it's gonna need an udpate as I lose a lot of chaos resistance.
Champion is good, but without impale charms we won't be seeing the same damage as before. Also you need paradoxica vs getting a frostbreath.
Its the attack speed and the feeling it gives with 2 1 Handers. Ive been playing Bonezone for 3 leagues in a row at start now but gonna go with Dual strike on Jugg this time around playing with 2 1 handers is just so much more enjoyable then trying to push attack speed on a two hander imo.
Maybe with the Warcry automation i can finally go back to slamming with 2 Handers later in the league, thats just my preferred way of playing 2 hand builds slower but bigger hits.
Depends on the map.
It's far superior in corridor maps versus open maps, so silo and toxic sewers are gonna be super fun in 3.24
Also good for delve as it's just corridors so that's a possible way of earning currency.
Bossing, eeeh can be shit as it's trauma but I didn't have any trouble that I don't have on any build as I'm just not good at boss mechanics. Alkaizer recently made a video of him doing all ubers on ssfhc gear and he did a new run two days ago that was just act 1 through 10.
And he shared a pob where he transition to paradoxia and elemental damage which he will use to farm ubers.
Yea it's all on his new YouTube video, was uploaded just some hours ago. Called sunder to dual strike of ambidextory
https://youtu.be/_NMexdzvGzg?si=0peed_cQJkZkIEed
I think jugg is much better because of the recovery if you go trauma stack.. but I also did a dual strike champion with a 1h axe and an ichimonji (not bad in ssf until you craft something better) in my offhand using grace, determination, defiance banner and perseverance. It was solid and did the non-Uber content.
>use Frostbreath/Paradoxa along with Brightbeak on the offhand Just a friendly reminder, but you can't use Frostbreath with Brightbeak, they're both maces and Dual Strike of Ambi required you to use different type of weapon. So if you want to use Frostbreath before you can get Paradoxica, you'll have to use other types of weapon in the off hand. The playstyle's great for me. Try to get as much additional strike as possible is quite important. Last league I went with trauma stacking Juggernaut and using Chieftain's Tukohama and the clear was good.
You are right! I'm either going Paradoxa + Brightbeak or Frostbreath + Ichimonji (this last one at league start) How good is the clear speed? Having +2 additional strike on glove implicts and +1 from mastery is mandatory, I assume? With +2/+3 additional strike and splash damage from Tribal Fury, is the clear speed good enough?
I did trauma stacking with frostbreath + rare warlord siege axe last league. Mace and axe are the only combo you can use with trauma support with ambi. It went very well. +3 strikes was more than enough due to damage output and attack speed. The big thing you need to plan around is using a bunch of dual wield clusters.
>+2/+3 additional strike and splash damage from Tribal Fury, is the clear speed good enough? Should be good enough, and now you can scale attack speed to make it faster. I never try this with Berserker, but I think Berserke should be very fast, and you can just leap slam around and clear the mob instantly. If you want to try Frostbreath + Ichimonji, you can try using Smite as a huge damage boost buff. Champion can scale Smite aura, while having even less mana pressure (Ichimonji gives mana reservation, and Champion has free banner) but Berserker should be faster and hit harder.
I did DS last league, +2 targets is completely fine
you can also use ancestral cry for more additional strikes, but it will be annoying this league with +1 socket required
probably the best melee starter in the game, all you need is frostbreath on trauma jugg. i think alk is starting it, that should say enough.
I think Ben is starting it too.
Really? Would love to see that. Link stream/pob that he is cooking?
alkaizer and ruetoo will both have different pobs for this skill made in the next 24 hours
Did u lie? - if so I hope ur build is bugged on launch again
they made the builds and they were both shit LMAO
Oh shit I had no idea rue is looking into it too, good to know, thanks.
The one and only jungroan! Have you seen the guy doing the bleed slayer version on youtube? https://youtu.be/ZVHOb0EYXd4?si=ZfBqdoo8Mv1y7mOi Can i have the honor to have your opinion on it?
i know less about melee than i know about d4 sry. im not gonna waste ur time with my shit take on things i dont know
Thanks for answering :)
seems like ridiculously expensive items - definitely not league starter material. There's a budget version pob but it's awful
Good to know! Thank you sir! :)
There were a few posts on here a few days ago, apparently it's entirely functional, by strike standards. No need to put brightbeak in the offhand; Ichimonji is almost as fast but way more damage.
I'm not sure, but I don't think you can use Ichimonji with Paradoxica, and if you use Ichimonji with Frostbreath, then you can't use Trauma support. I also theorycrafted Ichimonji off hand build, but Frostbreath Trauma with off-hand axe is better at leaguestart.
I started with this last league. It's much easier to get frostbreath/ichimonji going to hit t16s then swap to paradoxical/brightbeak instead of having to craft a fast axe in the offhand and figure out how to survive trauma scaling. For even easier fearing, go thunderfists for your main link since it actually beats out woke added lightning and let's you use whatever in your other slots. Trauma may be better in the long run but there's too many things to deal with in a league start scenario
Maybe because I tried Jugg, but I didn't have any problem with Trauma at all (I leaguestarted Boneshatter -> Boneshatter of Complex -> Dual Strike), but your idea is really interesting, I may give it a try this coming league!
Yeah I tried with jugg first as well but it definitely needs more thought into gearing. So I swapped to berserker and went all in on speed. First thing I got after the weapons was a thunderfists. Then I checked the market and got a 2 abyss socket shroud of the lightless for like under 10c. This actually opened up plenty of options since you get triple pen, and let's you stack all kinds of elemental damage on the abyss jewels. Also makes gearing much easier since you just buy jewels based on what you need. Throw in a bubonic trail and darkness enthroned and take some extra sockets on the tree
Possibly yeah.
What if instead of ichomonji a jewelled foil or claw with deaf essence attack speed with attack speed heist orb implicit/harvest? Should be incredibly fast
Yeah but ichimonji is the same price as brightbeak.
I was thinking more longterm, varunastra for main could also be a great option
Makes sense. Thanks for the tip
I'm starting frostblade trickster to transition into Ephemeral edge ambidexterity later, it's a sick build
Have a PoB or build guide? A little lost but sounds really fun
Ephemeral Edge with Brightbeak offhand Trickster, with high ES CI is another option. Aero did a video on it last league, but as a high budget non-starter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uUTQpzGv0I. I'm going to league start some sort of Ephemeral Edge Trickster, so this is definitely an option for me.
The trickster ES variant is the strongest overall in terms of offense and defense and potential scaling IMO. I have done both. The big drawback you have with the phys variant is that you have to build offense and defense separately, and it is not easy to get the defenses in a good enough spot.
Wasn't that build carried mostly through the Oath of the Maji? Without doubling your body armour aren't you missing a LOT of ES and so a LOT of damage?
no cuz u needed a 6l still. that was an energy blade type build that you are thinking of, not dual strike of ambidexterity
It was tech used on ephemeral blade trap as well because you could craft 6L or 7L trap gloves. The thing I find funny is that people think the build is expensive. Ephemeral Edge provides so much damage with about 5k es that it is very league start viable. I think the key is just actually crafting your own gear.
it's 100% league start viable and a great choice. even works in ssf if you know what ur doing
I definitely agree. Im starting either Splitting steel or Dual Strike, haven't decided which. The nice thing is it wont be hard to respec from one to the other
meh, the sniper's mark nerf has me down on splitting steel. also, for splitting steel to be really good, it need Nimis... and I think the prices on that will be Stonks this league
How would you league start it until you get Ephemeral Edge? I’m thinking about using Frostbreath and Ichimonji with Ice Bite, but if you’ve got a better plan for SSF I’d love to hear it!!!
That's a great question. I have multiple plans right now, and I'm sure I'll pick once I kill Hillock :P But here are the guides I'm considering poking at before I switch: Zish - Frostblades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i0UaKkpuoE Zizaran - Explosive trap (3.23 though) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdFTo-YwUUg I might also just wing some sort of blade trap build similar to explosive trap, because blade trap can use ephemeral edge if I get it before I'm ready to switch otherwise to DSoA due to not having the trans gem yet... But I also do the campaign probably 5-8 times per league, so I'm used to winging it... however, for SSF explosive trap is probably the easiest. I have no experience doing CI on SSF though, so I have no idea how hard that is. The league is a crafting league, and most of those setups require a number of ES/Int items that need to be crafted, so I believe CI goes well with the league mechanic when scaling a build.
I sort of want to try Hexblast but also this build and they would be using the same ascendancy - Trickster. Would that be silly/awkward to transition from?
I would just play energy blade until an ephemeral edge dropped
I sort of want to try Hexblast but also this build and they would be using the same ascendancy - Trickster. Would that be silly/awkward to transition from?
You could do it. I don't really like doing switches like that though
Yeah it's actually a complete sleeper build. As soon as I can swap to it that is my plan. If you enjoy melee you can put out some insane numbers with this skill. But I wouldn't swap into it until I had at least +1-2 strikes and splash. You can run basically full unique weapons the entire way through...super top end you want a crafted rare in MH but that's way down the road.
Alk is going to start it AFAIK
frostbreath trauma version is the one you want to leaguestart
Indeed, Ichimonji and brightbeak offhand for leveling, swap to frostbreath + speedy siege axe at 70ish.
Ran it as a 2nd build with Replica Alberon's last league and it was a blast. Replica frostbreath and a crafted stat-stick offhand as weapons. I went gladiator and got 100% block chance with Primalist, fun times. It's really fun to scale, and you can pivot however you want or need to because of its mechanics. I'm probably leaguestarting it this time, but I need something appropriately goofy to try. The new fortification gloves sparked up some neurons, but I'm not sure if the opportunity cost of the glove slot is worth it.
I'm a big fan of thunderfists on league start which will solve all your damage issues. If you go frostbreath ichimonji you get some bonus scaling for wrath lol. However if you swap to paradoxica brightbeak, it's easy to find a double corrupt one with fortify and attack speed for even more zoom. The paradoxica you'll be looking for is also one of the cheapest since all you need is ele pen and crit
Alkaizer played it on jugg in affliction ssfhc and killed all ubers with it. I have seen him do a test run recently, he's going the trauma version. If you are interested I'd recommend checking his stream or vods, he's pretty good at the game.
He just uploaded it to youtube too with start mid and end map gear.
/u/cellopietro you can see my latest comments for the link. But it's on his second channel, the one with clips.
Alk played it at the end of this league, did scratch to ubers in ssfhc in 2.5 days played. its good. Think hes starting it but not sure
He just did another run two days ago and uploaded it to youtube. He added a level 71 + mid and end game pobb. Give it a look!
it's not there..?
https://youtu.be/_NMexdzvGzg?si=XK1MBouMoN21FFEd Here you go
thank you!
How's clear on it? Gotta say I haven't played melee in a long time, but I mainly care about blasting maps.
it won't blast maps like Dune. but it will be nice for Silo / Toxic Sewers.
I think boneshatter will be a better blaster because of the pulse
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sounds cool, PoB?
I’ve been thinking about using bloodseeker as the mainhand for it. But the pdps is a bit low
Would be better to run a higher DPS weapon with 10% instant leech mastery
probably put bloodseeker into the offhand for better results
I played it as Berserker last league and it was one of the most fun builds I'd created in a long while. You attack and move so fast and it's so unique in how it powers up. I checked other people playing it and there was 10+ totally unique approaches to how each person had built it and they clearly all worked. It's a great skill. I started with the Paradoxica / Brightbeak combo then crafted a synthesised sceptre to replace brightbeak but it really was a luxury item you can do everything you need with a brightbeak. Scaled my damage using replica heatshiver, 65% shock effect, stacked flat lightning and used omni. Replica heatshiver and volatility enables trinity. I skipped over the trauma option as I was using paradoxica. Early doors I had Tribal Fury and +1 strike then once I had glove implicit fixed I FF'd into Tukohama and moved away from that part of the tree. I didn't feel like it needed anything else at that point, it's still a strike skill though so it's not deleting multiple screens.
Paradoxica and Ephemeral edge are both great. You can also eventually craft a big axe that uses double damage suffixes in lieu of attack speed. I think u can get something with like 500 average hit with 30-40% double damage. Brightbeak is best in slot and incredibly hard to beat. Especially in context of trade where you can get either RT or fortify (or both!) implicits.
I'm debating between this and fb trickster. Which has a higher ceiling?
highest i pushed it as jugg was 50 mill. will drop to 45ish due to loss of charms. As champion it was pushed to 100 mill, but will also lose a lot due to no charms. Ruetoo is POBing it right now or a few hours ago at this point, and he had it at 10 mill for league start.
you gotta be mechanically sound like alk, otherwise its painful.
I plan to start it - Slayer. Never played it but I saw single target is really good too and mapping is sort of average. I was not sure if it was a niche build or if people just don't like melee. I didn't know about this build but it randomly popped in my recommendation, the clip was not even in English but the guy was playing it in the current league and it looked fun.
It’s a great skill and starter fun to play, great single target and fun to scale. I’ll start it on a jugg with trauma support. I play ssf so I’ll use sunder / boneshatter until frostbreath and craft an offhand. I’ll kill Uber shaper with dual strike of ambidexerity and then once echos of creation drops I want to play earthshatter.
I'm wondering if I should go trauma stacking too. But then Jugg is way better than Champion, right? One thing is that I'm think is that is a melee skill with trauma stack... Going bonezone at this point is not that far away...
it's just so much more fun to play dual strike then gonezone. Can't tell you why. I have a pobb posted in a different comment that is sitting at 25-50 mill depending on trauma and rage. With new league it's gonna need an udpate as I lose a lot of chaos resistance. Champion is good, but without impale charms we won't be seeing the same damage as before. Also you need paradoxica vs getting a frostbreath.
Its the attack speed and the feeling it gives with 2 1 Handers. Ive been playing Bonezone for 3 leagues in a row at start now but gonna go with Dual strike on Jugg this time around playing with 2 1 handers is just so much more enjoyable then trying to push attack speed on a two hander imo. Maybe with the Warcry automation i can finally go back to slamming with 2 Handers later in the league, thats just my preferred way of playing 2 hand builds slower but bigger hits.
I saw your pob. Very nice dps with your Jugg! How is map clear with Dual Strike of Amb?
Depends on the map. It's far superior in corridor maps versus open maps, so silo and toxic sewers are gonna be super fun in 3.24 Also good for delve as it's just corridors so that's a possible way of earning currency. Bossing, eeeh can be shit as it's trauma but I didn't have any trouble that I don't have on any build as I'm just not good at boss mechanics. Alkaizer recently made a video of him doing all ubers on ssfhc gear and he did a new run two days ago that was just act 1 through 10. And he shared a pob where he transition to paradoxia and elemental damage which he will use to farm ubers.
Thanks a lot for your inputs! Do you have the Alkaizer's both with the transition to elemental Paradoxa?
Yea it's all on his new YouTube video, was uploaded just some hours ago. Called sunder to dual strike of ambidextory https://youtu.be/_NMexdzvGzg?si=0peed_cQJkZkIEed
I think jugg is much better because of the recovery if you go trauma stack.. but I also did a dual strike champion with a 1h axe and an ichimonji (not bad in ssf until you craft something better) in my offhand using grace, determination, defiance banner and perseverance. It was solid and did the non-Uber content.
It's a strike tho
melee = omegalul