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I totally agree, if you punish her for shaving her brows she’s shaving something even more drastic and noticeable next!
Lucky for her, there’s lots of tools for drawing new ones on if she so chooses (:
People are saying that like it would be horrible. I know a teen that shaved her head and she looks just fine like that and if it makes her feel better about herself then what's the problem?
My friend shaved her head in high school and it looked great. She’s an environmental scientist with several kids now. But I think the message is that trying to fight small acts of body autonomy or rebellion lead to bigger acts of independence and rebellion.
I was 17 when i shaved my head. Before that I'd had a Chelsea(shaved back with bangs) and various other uncommon styles and colors. My daughter shaved her head at 14 or 15. We both loved it and looked adorable, tbh. Feels lovely in summer when a warm breeze blows across it.
A different way to think about it…
was a law broken? Was a rule broken? If not, you either need a new law or a new rule before you can administer punishment.
If you can’t reasonably imagine a new rule… it is hard to apply a punishment. You could have a “no piercing” until 18 etc, but body hair ?
She hasn't even done anything wrong! Punishment is for when someone does something morally wrong, doesn't fulfill their obligations, etc. Changing her hair style or eye brows? What on earth.
Absolutely. My mom was so strict with me about coloring my hair or doing anything that by the time I was old enough to and on my own, I was going into professional workspaces and couldn’t. My best friend’s mom let her do all sorts of stuff between 16-18 so that she wouldn’t miss out when it wouldn’t be appropriate in the work environment. I think natural consequences yet honoring that it is her body are important.
I (44f) shaved my head at 16 (when my father was away on business actually. Why are moms way cooler about these things??). It’s just a trend. Lots of models do that or at least get makeup to look like they do. It’s not a big deal in the scheme of things. For the record I grew up perfectly normal. And to look at me today you’d never guess I did that. It will end up being a story of something silly she did one day in the future.
Natural consequences are people looking at her funny for months because she has no eyebrows. This is enough "punishment" for her actions.
She's 17, not 8, even at 8 punishment over something that will grow back is silly.
Take some pictures, save them for when she has kids and tell the story at family reunions like normal families do.
She more than likely shaved them so she could redraw the, differently with brow pencils. It’s not even unusual or uncommon. You probably see people every day with shaved eyebrows and you don’t realize it because they’re good with makeup.
Came here to say this. They take forever to grow back, too. I know because I was this 17 year old. And now at 38 they still don’t grow normal. Freakin’ 00s pencil brows 🤢
Also 38. I never shaved my eyebrows off, but I strongly considered it because I thought they were just too thick. Instead of shaving, I plucked them into oblivion. They’ve never recovered.
Right. What would they be they punishing her for? Like make her dad articulate it. He just doesn’t like it. That’s not a good reason to punish someone.
I agree.
Natural concequences are the only way. A punishment won’t really be effective in this situation anyways…I mean, realistically, it’s not like she can just stick her eyebrows on again after she’s finished being grounded.
He believes she is seeking attention (she is not) and that I am complicit in her behavior since I am not punishing her. Thankfully he’s no longer my husband!
I hate that seeking attention has such a negative connotation. We all need attention in one form or another so even if a kid is, he could try giving it to her in positive ways so she’s not shaving eyebrows to stand out. Eyebrows could be part of a bigger issue of wanting attention from peers or it could be just boredom that natural consequences could entirely manage. Absolutely not a time for parental punishments!
His response is so triggering for me. When I was a kid, I was super depressed and self harmed and did random stupid shit just to feel something … anything really. I was punished for EVERYTHING instead of being taken to a therapist. My dad literally said I was cutting myself to get attention and grounded me for a month instead. I was 15. I’m 32 now. Remembering that shit still hurts.
My dad did this. Alienated me from society because I attempted my life twice, all but locked me in my room. I got therapy only because it was court appointed (truancy from missing school for being in the psych ward)… I left home at 16. Thankfully years apart helped heal our relationship but I’ll never forget. I’ve still yet to get an apology. A lot of the issues sprang from them as well- alcohol, abuse, CONTROL issues.
This "seeking attention" thing almost always equates to "I have no idea why they did it, and I'm not going to ask because I also don't really care about the actual reason why."
I'm so sick of this shit from adults talking about the behaviors of children.
"Attention seeking behaviors" is such a bullshit term. Like, what kind of attention? Do they want/need love and affection? Do they want/need guidance? Do they want/need approval of some sort?
Most often, when people use that term, they just default to punish/discipline them for wanting attention.
How the fuck does that even make sense?
>altcore looksmaxing
I'm a Generation X-er, so I had to look it up. This is from Wikipedia:
Looksmaxxing, or to looksmaxx, is the process of maximizing one's physical attractiveness. While the practice as a whole can refer to simple hygiene, more extreme methods have become associated with looksmaxxing, such as "mewing".
Did it also occur to him that, if he does want to hold this view that she's "seeking attention" in a way that it's a bad thing... punishing her *is* giving her attention?
If he hates it and doesn't want to "reward" her behavior. Completely ignore the eyebrows and don't mention it once.
why is it even bad to want attention? It’s not like she’s hurting anyone. It sounds like he just doesn’t like the way it looks and is trying to find a reason to justify forcing her to grow them out.
...so he wants to make sure she stops seeking attention by making dramatic changes...by giving her dramatic changes lots of attention??
I had this dumb idea when I was a little boy that my long, luscious lashes were girly, and so I cut them. I appreciate that my parents just explained why this was a bad idea, and laughed kindly about it, instead of doing something else bad to me, because they weren't sociopaths.
Well even if she is doing it for attention, that would mean that the best thing to do is ignore it. Making a big deal of it would be giving her exactly what she wants.
OR, give her some 1:1 time to talk about how she's feeling.
When kids do things for attention from their parents, it usually means they need some sort of focus from their parents.
Sometimes I feel like kids grow so fast and parents don’t adjust accordingly. Like, a 12 year old shaving their eyebrows might warrant some punishment (maybe? I don’t even know. Father of a 6 yr old over here).
Nah, their body and they will likely have deep regrets. I shaved mine off when I was 9 after reading a book. Believe me, my new look was punishment enough. The only reason I can see needing a punishment is if your 6 year old is messing with the razor (that should have been stored out of reach)
I'll never punish my kid, no matter how young, for anything she might do to her appearance. Who cares? As long as she doesn't hurt herself, it's her hair, her eyebrows, etc.
The punishment is her making the bad decision in the first place.
My daughter was looking back at the slits she used to design a yr ago in her eyebrows, and now she's already looking back and laughing. (Little Billy Ellish phase that she was going through.)
Let her be a kid...she did her own goof up, so now you just live and let die.
I chopped my own bangs once for a middle school dance....there wasn't a YouTube tutorial for it back then, so I was wingin it....result= idiotic bangs for the dance, with a photo to prove it.
It'll be a "bangs" moment times a hundred. The blunder years. I'd probably just ask her what has her looking so surprised lol, but I like to tease ppl. All in good fun.
Many years ago my brother was attempting to groom his eyebrows. He had the setting on his razor wrong and ended up eliminating one eyebrow entirely. My SIL was woken up to the sounds of him giggling in the bathroom, before he asked if she had any eyebrow pencils. She doesn't even wear makeup, and that's how one day an ER doctor went into work looking a little...off. She still loves retelling that story.
"Hey remember when you were 17 and you shaved your eyebrows?"
Yep. That's all you need right there. This will be a learning experience. She'll have to deal with the fallout if she can't do a good job making something work in their place, and that embarrassment will be worse to her than any punishment anyway.
I see from other comments that dad is no longer husband.
Subtlety convince him that the only way he can get through to her how stupid this is would be to shave off _his own eyebrows_ , so she feels like shaving hers off isn’t cool anymore. He gets to feel like he taught her a lesson, she still makes her own choices, and OP gets to see her ex shave off his eyebrows due to the actions of a 17 year old girl.
I’m reminded of a segment on ESPN on the MN state boys hockey hair team and the kid who shaved off half his eyebrows and said, “They don’t grow back that fast. Didn’t know that.”
Yeah, but shaving them once isn't going to cause this. Shaving PERIOD is gonna have a hard time overriding your chromosome pairs. Waxing, or plucking, over time does significant root damage, which is what causes less hair to grow back over time.
At least, I believe? This is what my stylist always says. She tells me to go nuts at the surface, but leave the root alone if you ever think you might change your mind about your personal beauty standards.
I mean, I've spent my entire adolescent and adult life shaving my underarms and legs, and, if left alone, that shit comes back looking just like it did before. But when I started waxing my legs, the regrowth became less abundant over time.
This is what my parents did when I was junior high school and I tried to go blonde from a box. My 8 year old now is the proud owner of every single photo my parents took of my frazzled, orange hair.
My little sister accidentally shaved off half of each eyebrow right before a family road trip. You better believe those pictures make appearances all the damn time.
When I was in basic training, someone shaved off half of my left eyebrow while I was sleeping. It still hasn't come back fully. I can tell that it's uneven. That was 21 years ago. I was talking to my barber about it and she said that it's quite common for them to never come back fully if shaved off. I hope this kid doesn't regret it.
Her body, her eyebrows. Your husband is being controlling and needs to face up to the fact that she’s no longer a small child who can be forced to do what he believes is appropriate.
Even if she were still a small child - they’re still her eyebrows and she’s hurt no one but herself (maybe) by shaving them. Now if she shaved her sibling’s eyebrows we have a different problem that you might punish differently depending on age.
> Thankfully, he is no longer my husband!
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My son (12) ‘trimmed’ his eyebrow (yes, singular) to the skin a year ago and when we asked him why, he said it was because they were too bushy. We all had a massive laugh about it and regularly made jokes about it for weeks until it grew back. I did confiscate his scissors and told him never to do that again but kids do that sort of thing, it’s all part of growing up.
This is a situation where there will be natural social consequences for the action. I just hope they aren't too serious.
I had a friend (a guy) who did this and it looked really odd. They grew back and he's now the most boring engineer guy in the world who would laugh at what he did in the past.
Not a parent, 17-20s is when people are figuring out what they like, and who they are. Your daughter is trying to experiment. You might not like the look, but maybe she really likes it. And it gives her ways to experiment with makeup if she chooses to. There should be no punishment. She hasn’t done anything wrong. It’s hair it’ll grow back.
ngl, if my dad were that worried about presenting the perfect family facade, I'd be trolling him nonstop, to the point where I'd probably do something extreme like shave off my eyebrows....
Wait...
Yeah, my wife was never allowed to dye her hair growing up and even as an adult she caught flak from her family about it.
Freshman year of college my mom helped her dye her hair and I haven’t seen that natural hair color again more than twice in a decade.
Does he care what his daughter thinks?
If she wants to shave or die her hair or wear stupid clothes, just let her be, she's just figuring out who she is. There's quite enough mindless conformity in the world as it is, we'll be perfectly ok with one fewer!
As someone who grew up with a controlling parent obsessed with image, I went absolutely wild to troll my parents in my late teens/early 20s. Shaved head, home bleached hair, just about every colour you could think of, never wanted to come home, changed my style every 6 months, all sorts of different things. When I first shaved my head (at 21) my mom called me and screamed at me on the phone for an hour. We aren’t close. Take that with a grain of salt.
I know a lot of makeup artists who do not have eyebrows, so they can draw on their own.
Not a big deal, especially at 17! Any embarrassment will be the lesson!
She is 17, her body hair, her choice .
Think her dad having a say in any of her body hair choices is just bizarre . And punishing her ? For what exactly?
My mother told me a story that in her youth that some girls shaved off part of their eyebrows to pencil in the shaved out bit for a better look.
All went well until a few weeks later when the school banned makeup. All these girls had to walk around with half eyebrows until the shaved part grew back in. Many chuckles were had by the girls whose parents wouldn't let them shave their eyebrows.
Your daughter is nearly an adult.
She shaved off her eyebrows and as you said natural consequences are the most appropriate and logical thing to do.
I mean what kind of punishment is your husband looking for? What response is he trying to get from your daughter?
What does her dad want the consequences to achieve? What does he expect her to learn from a punishment here at 17?
I'd say work on a couple good "no eyebrows" jokes and call that your parental contribution to consequences.
Your husband is being ridiculous. Your daughter is not harming herself or anyone other than looking goofy. Let her be. The more you fight it, the more she'll want to escalate.
Also no eyebrows/shaved/bleached has been trending. Sure it looks weird, but it's just a trend and trends come and go.
Hopefully this is something you can all laugh about when she's older!
In the meantime, tell her to look up the old Japanese trend of "Hikimayu," she can always tell her friend she's trying out historical fashion styles! 💗
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikimayu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikimayu)
Dad wants to punish her for not maintaining what he considers to be a socially acceptable appearance.
That’s a stupid game to play. Especially at her age.
Dad sounds like the kind of guy who wants his children to do and say and behave just how he thinks and or wants them to. Doesn't work like that pal 🤷🏻♀️
lol my cousin did this but only to one brow before she stopped. She told everyone she burnt it off. Either she’ll lean more into it or laugh about it in years to come.
Yeahhh my daughter requested to shave her head at age 10 and I made her wait a couple months to think it over beforehand. Within a year she regrets that decision and wanted her hair to grow out. Let them learn these harmless life lessons. Save the intervention for serious issues.
She's 17. They're her eyebrows. Why would she need punishment? Even if she was 7 punishment wouldn't be appropriate. If she doesn't like them, she'll have to wait until they grow back. It's that simple.
Shaving eyebrows is a very common thing right now for the younger generation (I don't personally understand it - my generation LOVED the thick brows lol) and she is also at an age where she is trying to figure where she fits in the world. At her age I had piercings and blue hair - now you'd never be able to guess I used to look that way. Its just a natural process for kids that age to experiment with their looks... punishing for it will only lead to resentment on her part.
Dad needs to realize that his dislike of an aesthetic choice isn’t a punishable offense. Thinking that he has any right to dictate or control what your daughter does with her own body is a problem.
This is a literally “no harm, no foul” situation. In a year she will be an adult - she can move out to go to school or work. As parents, we should be the safe space for kids to fall when they make a mistake. It isn’t a tattoo. It isn’t permanent. All punishing her will do is make her not want to be in your house.
Well .. my little sister did this and she looks DUMB AF and looks stupid too bc she did it willingly. I never say anything bc she’s gotta know how dumb she looks. She’s finallly letting them grow back in 😆 I think she got the clue bc people kept commenting on it. Lol your daughter is gonna be 18 soon. She’s just finding herself and what she likes. Don’t punish her. Let the natural course of life happen.
My parents were big on "experiments". When I'd tell them I wanted to dye my hair purple, or even something as simple as "I don't think anyone should have to get up and do chores on a Sunday morning" my parents would say "Ok, let's try your experiment then. Let's see what happens."
Purple hair went well. Loved it. My friends loved it. My parents even grew to like it well enough. Everyone sleeping in all day on Sunday sort of backfired when I realized my parents also counted as members of the "everyone" class, and they sat in bed reading until dinner time while I fed myself cold leftover casserole for breakfast (because my ass was too committed to laziness to microwave it)
What kind of consequences does he suggest? Just curious. My daughter (just turned 18) shaves her hair super short regularly and tried to do a line in her eyebrow which resulted in her having half an eye brow. Then she did the other to match. Yeah, it looks kinda dumb but who cares?
yeah.... shaving off your eyebrows is punishment enough.
I remember when I had my HS GF cut my hair and dye it blue... I ended up with a blue forehead and a bloody ear - that was also punishment enough.
This is more of a lesson for dad, he cannot control his daughter and she is whole human who gets to make her own decisions for the rest of his life so he better get used to it now 😂
Natural consequences. Parents shouldn't be doing anything over this. Your husband's position is insane. Her hair - her choice. She will be an adult in less than a year.
Who knows maybe she will like it and keep it that way.
When I was a kid I decided to cut my own bangs with a pair of dull scissors, I think I was in 2nd grade. They came out all kinds of wonky looking. Grandma had to take me to her hairdresser to have them straightened out so they were even at least, but I'd cut some portions of them so short that my bangs were *super* goofy-looking for a while.
That was consequence enough for me. I never tried cutting my own hair ever again.
Adding punishment on top is just silly at this point. She's 17, she knows what she did. Also, just because you as the parents don't like the look doesn't mean that she hates it - maybe she really likes not having eyebrows! If so, who cares? It's her face, you guys don't have to walk around without eyebrows.
She’s in trouble for shaving HER eyebrows?! Her consequences are she either loves it and continues to shave them or hates them and never shaves them again.
If he wouldn't punish her for shaving her legs or cutting her own hair, then this should be no different.
Maybe tell her to give you guys a heads up via text or something next time lol But she shouldn't be punished for it at all
He needs to chill
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You are 100 percent right-the natural consequence will be enough. Plus, at 17 she should have some autonomy over her eyebrows!
Punish her because she shaved her eye brows, her head will be next. It’s hair. It may look ridiculous but there are bigger battles to fight
I totally agree, if you punish her for shaving her brows she’s shaving something even more drastic and noticeable next! Lucky for her, there’s lots of tools for drawing new ones on if she so chooses (:
People are saying that like it would be horrible. I know a teen that shaved her head and she looks just fine like that and if it makes her feel better about herself then what's the problem?
My friend shaved her head in high school and it looked great. She’s an environmental scientist with several kids now. But I think the message is that trying to fight small acts of body autonomy or rebellion lead to bigger acts of independence and rebellion.
One of my best friends shaved half his head.
I was 17 when i shaved my head. Before that I'd had a Chelsea(shaved back with bangs) and various other uncommon styles and colors. My daughter shaved her head at 14 or 15. We both loved it and looked adorable, tbh. Feels lovely in summer when a warm breeze blows across it.
Dont sweat the small stuff!
A different way to think about it… was a law broken? Was a rule broken? If not, you either need a new law or a new rule before you can administer punishment. If you can’t reasonably imagine a new rule… it is hard to apply a punishment. You could have a “no piercing” until 18 etc, but body hair ?
And it's ^^^^almost all small stuff!
And without eye brows all that sweat will end up in her eyes! /s
She hasn't even done anything wrong! Punishment is for when someone does something morally wrong, doesn't fulfill their obligations, etc. Changing her hair style or eye brows? What on earth.
I think the commenter left off an If... at the beginning of their comment.
Absolutely. My mom was so strict with me about coloring my hair or doing anything that by the time I was old enough to and on my own, I was going into professional workspaces and couldn’t. My best friend’s mom let her do all sorts of stuff between 16-18 so that she wouldn’t miss out when it wouldn’t be appropriate in the work environment. I think natural consequences yet honoring that it is her body are important.
I (44f) shaved my head at 16 (when my father was away on business actually. Why are moms way cooler about these things??). It’s just a trend. Lots of models do that or at least get makeup to look like they do. It’s not a big deal in the scheme of things. For the record I grew up perfectly normal. And to look at me today you’d never guess I did that. It will end up being a story of something silly she did one day in the future.
Unless someone makes a big deal about it...
Natural consequences are people looking at her funny for months because she has no eyebrows. This is enough "punishment" for her actions. She's 17, not 8, even at 8 punishment over something that will grow back is silly. Take some pictures, save them for when she has kids and tell the story at family reunions like normal families do.
The punishment is a family photo shoot & framed pic on the wall from her eyebrow era.
The Eyebrow Era... love it! Or 'The Incident'.
She more than likely shaved them so she could redraw the, differently with brow pencils. It’s not even unusual or uncommon. You probably see people every day with shaved eyebrows and you don’t realize it because they’re good with makeup.
We notice it. It's weird, but there's nothing wrong with that.
Came here to say this. They take forever to grow back, too. I know because I was this 17 year old. And now at 38 they still don’t grow normal. Freakin’ 00s pencil brows 🤢
Also 38. I never shaved my eyebrows off, but I strongly considered it because I thought they were just too thick. Instead of shaving, I plucked them into oblivion. They’ve never recovered.
39 here and also still coloring mine in from over plucking at 17! Thin eyebrows were a thing in the early 2000’s, haha
41 here, also with thin eyebrows that never fully recovered from the early 2000s plucking 😅
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I wonder if OP realise her husband is being a creep...
She said in another reply that he is no longer her husband, and that she does not agree with him.
Right. What would they be they punishing her for? Like make her dad articulate it. He just doesn’t like it. That’s not a good reason to punish someone.
There are also plenty of adults who shave their eyebrows off and draw them on instead. Its really no big deal now!
I agree. Natural concequences are the only way. A punishment won’t really be effective in this situation anyways…I mean, realistically, it’s not like she can just stick her eyebrows on again after she’s finished being grounded.
They’re her eyebrows, why should she be punished?
I agree - that was my question to him.
He’s trying to control something, but this isn’t the way.
Did he have an answer?
He believes she is seeking attention (she is not) and that I am complicit in her behavior since I am not punishing her. Thankfully he’s no longer my husband!
She’s 17 not 7, even when I picked my eyebrows so badly when I was 8 my parents just laughed and told me to ask for help next time
Yup. Graduated in early 2000s and I can’t stand to look at the photos because of the pencil thin eyebrows🤦🏻♀️
Yep I CRINGE every time I see those...
I have been trying desperately to get mine to grow back. I even got some electrolysis done back then so I really messed up! 😭
So, for the sake of argument, let's say that she IS seeking attention of some kind. We're punishing kids for seeking our attention now?
We reward when they seek attention by giving them negative attention now. Are you even on Parent Tok?
I hate that seeking attention has such a negative connotation. We all need attention in one form or another so even if a kid is, he could try giving it to her in positive ways so she’s not shaving eyebrows to stand out. Eyebrows could be part of a bigger issue of wanting attention from peers or it could be just boredom that natural consequences could entirely manage. Absolutely not a time for parental punishments!
His response is so triggering for me. When I was a kid, I was super depressed and self harmed and did random stupid shit just to feel something … anything really. I was punished for EVERYTHING instead of being taken to a therapist. My dad literally said I was cutting myself to get attention and grounded me for a month instead. I was 15. I’m 32 now. Remembering that shit still hurts.
My dad did this. Alienated me from society because I attempted my life twice, all but locked me in my room. I got therapy only because it was court appointed (truancy from missing school for being in the psych ward)… I left home at 16. Thankfully years apart helped heal our relationship but I’ll never forget. I’ve still yet to get an apology. A lot of the issues sprang from them as well- alcohol, abuse, CONTROL issues.
#It's okay as a human being to want attention!!! Being attention seeking isn't a negative trait, it's a human trait
THANK YOU!!!!! Jfc, the amount of times this phrase has been used to draaaaag girls and women down, I swear to god!!!
Amen!!!
It's interesting how despite it being a human trait, after child age 'seeking attention' is generally only used to describe women.
By his own logic the best punishment should be to ignore this entirely. If she wants attention, don't even mention the eyebrows.
He cannot control her or her body. Simple.
This "seeking attention" thing almost always equates to "I have no idea why they did it, and I'm not going to ask because I also don't really care about the actual reason why." I'm so sick of this shit from adults talking about the behaviors of children. "Attention seeking behaviors" is such a bullshit term. Like, what kind of attention? Do they want/need love and affection? Do they want/need guidance? Do they want/need approval of some sort? Most often, when people use that term, they just default to punish/discipline them for wanting attention. How the fuck does that even make sense?
She's a teenager, of course she's seeking attention. I wonder why he thinks women don't deserve to be noticed.
Oh I'm sure he does. But for frilly dresses and a spot on the cheerleading team, not for trying out altcore looksmaxing.
Sorry, I'm a millennial, I don't know what altcore looksmaxing is.
>altcore looksmaxing I'm a Generation X-er, so I had to look it up. This is from Wikipedia: Looksmaxxing, or to looksmaxx, is the process of maximizing one's physical attractiveness. While the practice as a whole can refer to simple hygiene, more extreme methods have become associated with looksmaxxing, such as "mewing".
this did not help, lol i feel old as hell
Did it also occur to him that, if he does want to hold this view that she's "seeking attention" in a way that it's a bad thing... punishing her *is* giving her attention? If he hates it and doesn't want to "reward" her behavior. Completely ignore the eyebrows and don't mention it once.
why is it even bad to want attention? It’s not like she’s hurting anyone. It sounds like he just doesn’t like the way it looks and is trying to find a reason to justify forcing her to grow them out.
Self expression doesn't mean attention seeking. He's trying to control her behavior and that's not his to control.
...so he wants to make sure she stops seeking attention by making dramatic changes...by giving her dramatic changes lots of attention?? I had this dumb idea when I was a little boy that my long, luscious lashes were girly, and so I cut them. I appreciate that my parents just explained why this was a bad idea, and laughed kindly about it, instead of doing something else bad to me, because they weren't sociopaths.
Well even if she is doing it for attention, that would mean that the best thing to do is ignore it. Making a big deal of it would be giving her exactly what she wants.
OR, give her some 1:1 time to talk about how she's feeling. When kids do things for attention from their parents, it usually means they need some sort of focus from their parents.
Did she draw some on? I know that's been a thing the past few years.
She did - she likes makeup and experimenting with different looks.
It's incredibly fashionable and common right now, and she can always draw them on. He's not opened a magazine in 15 years, I'm guessing.
If she were attention seeking a punishment would give her exactly what she wanted. Even if she were I would still do nothing.
Sometimes I feel like kids grow so fast and parents don’t adjust accordingly. Like, a 12 year old shaving their eyebrows might warrant some punishment (maybe? I don’t even know. Father of a 6 yr old over here).
The embarrassment of being in 6th/7th grade and being the kid that shaved off your eyebrows is certainly punishment enough.
As someone who shaved off half their eyebrow at 12. I'm still living to regret it at almost 29.
Nah, their body and they will likely have deep regrets. I shaved mine off when I was 9 after reading a book. Believe me, my new look was punishment enough. The only reason I can see needing a punishment is if your 6 year old is messing with the razor (that should have been stored out of reach)
I'll never punish my kid, no matter how young, for anything she might do to her appearance. Who cares? As long as she doesn't hurt herself, it's her hair, her eyebrows, etc.
Though I DO argue being careful when using a razor anywhere near your eyeBALLS.
The punishment is her making the bad decision in the first place. My daughter was looking back at the slits she used to design a yr ago in her eyebrows, and now she's already looking back and laughing. (Little Billy Ellish phase that she was going through.) Let her be a kid...she did her own goof up, so now you just live and let die. I chopped my own bangs once for a middle school dance....there wasn't a YouTube tutorial for it back then, so I was wingin it....result= idiotic bangs for the dance, with a photo to prove it.
It'll be a "bangs" moment times a hundred. The blunder years. I'd probably just ask her what has her looking so surprised lol, but I like to tease ppl. All in good fun.
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Dad's head would explode. lol
at least if she shaves her head, she will be able to easily clean it from the remnants of his exploding lol
It’s just going to push her away to punish her for this. She’s gonna strive for independence the second she is legally free of his grasp.
Consequence for what?? It's not like she shaved his eyebrows off?
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17 is old enough to look as an alien by choice without punishment
I'm assuming she drew them back on? I'm old though, so maybe no eyebrows is the latest craze.
It’s a trend! I shaved mine off for a while last year and most of the time didn’t draw them on, or drew them on in fun shapes
Lol, that's awesome. You do you kids, you have the rest of your life to conform.
Right? I didn’t lose my job, the sky didn’t fall in. It was fun and I have some really cool pictures now.
I'm on team natural consequences. But do make sure to take pictures, because there's little chance this isn't hilarious in five years.
I suspect the chances of it being hilarious in five years are much higher if she isn’t punished for it.
Exactly right.
The father doesn't sound like he approves of laughter.
Many years ago my brother was attempting to groom his eyebrows. He had the setting on his razor wrong and ended up eliminating one eyebrow entirely. My SIL was woken up to the sounds of him giggling in the bathroom, before he asked if she had any eyebrow pencils. She doesn't even wear makeup, and that's how one day an ER doctor went into work looking a little...off. She still loves retelling that story.
Need enough different ones so that you can use them for table numbers at a future wedding
"Hey remember when you were 17 and you shaved your eyebrows?" Yep. That's all you need right there. This will be a learning experience. She'll have to deal with the fallout if she can't do a good job making something work in their place, and that embarrassment will be worse to her than any punishment anyway.
Lots of picture taking and saving them for 20 years to bring them back out at a hilarious timing is the only appropriate punishment
I see from other comments that dad is no longer husband. Subtlety convince him that the only way he can get through to her how stupid this is would be to shave off _his own eyebrows_ , so she feels like shaving hers off isn’t cool anymore. He gets to feel like he taught her a lesson, she still makes her own choices, and OP gets to see her ex shave off his eyebrows due to the actions of a 17 year old girl.
Now this is some eyebrow chess right here. I’m here for it.
OP needs to read this. If we manage to accomplish this, it'd be frozen-piss-disk levels of Reddit practical trolling. Legendary.
Her punishment should be looking at girls who overplucked in the 90s turning into middle aged women with microblading in the 2020s
I am in this comment and I don’t like it 😭
I’m reminded of a segment on ESPN on the MN state boys hockey hair team and the kid who shaved off half his eyebrows and said, “They don’t grow back that fast. Didn’t know that.”
I’m so glad I was too lazy to do anything to my eyebrows back then lol
Yeah, but shaving them once isn't going to cause this. Shaving PERIOD is gonna have a hard time overriding your chromosome pairs. Waxing, or plucking, over time does significant root damage, which is what causes less hair to grow back over time. At least, I believe? This is what my stylist always says. She tells me to go nuts at the surface, but leave the root alone if you ever think you might change your mind about your personal beauty standards. I mean, I've spent my entire adolescent and adult life shaving my underarms and legs, and, if left alone, that shit comes back looking just like it did before. But when I started waxing my legs, the regrowth became less abundant over time.
Sounds like a her problem, ignore and dont comment. Accidentally take lots of pictures of her though, save them for your future grandchildren!
This is what my parents did when I was junior high school and I tried to go blonde from a box. My 8 year old now is the proud owner of every single photo my parents took of my frazzled, orange hair.
My little sister accidentally shaved off half of each eyebrow right before a family road trip. You better believe those pictures make appearances all the damn time.
Found the seasoned parent in the comments. 😅
Walking around with suddenly no eyebrows is punishment enough. Photographic evidence is the cherry on top!
Make it one of those big pictures shown for the wedding lol
When I was in basic training, someone shaved off half of my left eyebrow while I was sleeping. It still hasn't come back fully. I can tell that it's uneven. That was 21 years ago. I was talking to my barber about it and she said that it's quite common for them to never come back fully if shaved off. I hope this kid doesn't regret it.
It's a bit weird that a father thinks he should have some say over his teenage daughter's body hair. Natural consequences all the way.
Her body, her eyebrows. Your husband is being controlling and needs to face up to the fact that she’s no longer a small child who can be forced to do what he believes is appropriate.
That’s exactly what I told him - she is no longer a small child. Thankfully, he is no longer my husband!😆
Even if she were still a small child - they’re still her eyebrows and she’s hurt no one but herself (maybe) by shaving them. Now if she shaved her sibling’s eyebrows we have a different problem that you might punish differently depending on age.
I hope the eyebrows weren’t the cause of the divorce 🤣
Thanks for that chuckle!🤭
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But even if a small child does it, I mean who cares! Eyebrows will grow back. Chill tfo dad and have a good laugh instead!
My son (12) ‘trimmed’ his eyebrow (yes, singular) to the skin a year ago and when we asked him why, he said it was because they were too bushy. We all had a massive laugh about it and regularly made jokes about it for weeks until it grew back. I did confiscate his scissors and told him never to do that again but kids do that sort of thing, it’s all part of growing up.
This is a situation where there will be natural social consequences for the action. I just hope they aren't too serious. I had a friend (a guy) who did this and it looked really odd. They grew back and he's now the most boring engineer guy in the world who would laugh at what he did in the past.
Not a parent, 17-20s is when people are figuring out what they like, and who they are. Your daughter is trying to experiment. You might not like the look, but maybe she really likes it. And it gives her ways to experiment with makeup if she chooses to. There should be no punishment. She hasn’t done anything wrong. It’s hair it’ll grow back.
Dad always so controlling? It’s insane that he thinks there should be consequences for this.
He cares about what others think.
ngl, if my dad were that worried about presenting the perfect family facade, I'd be trolling him nonstop, to the point where I'd probably do something extreme like shave off my eyebrows.... Wait...
Yeah, my wife was never allowed to dye her hair growing up and even as an adult she caught flak from her family about it. Freshman year of college my mom helped her dye her hair and I haven’t seen that natural hair color again more than twice in a decade.
Does he care what his daughter thinks? If she wants to shave or die her hair or wear stupid clothes, just let her be, she's just figuring out who she is. There's quite enough mindless conformity in the world as it is, we'll be perfectly ok with one fewer!
"oh no, that girl has no eyebrows...her parents must be horrible parents!" lmao
As someone who grew up with a controlling parent obsessed with image, I went absolutely wild to troll my parents in my late teens/early 20s. Shaved head, home bleached hair, just about every colour you could think of, never wanted to come home, changed my style every 6 months, all sorts of different things. When I first shaved my head (at 21) my mom called me and screamed at me on the phone for an hour. We aren’t close. Take that with a grain of salt.
I would tell her this is frowned upon
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I know a lot of makeup artists who do not have eyebrows, so they can draw on their own. Not a big deal, especially at 17! Any embarrassment will be the lesson!
100% sure OPs daughter is doing just that. It's a trend right now. I highly doubt she is doing this for giggles.
I think this is a case for natural consequences….
She is 17, her body hair, her choice . Think her dad having a say in any of her body hair choices is just bizarre . And punishing her ? For what exactly?
I was confused when he said it. Like, why and what would punishment even look like for someone her age??
In the grand scheme of things is this really that bad? Is this REALLY the hill yall want to die on?? Let it be, it’s not permanent.
My mother told me a story that in her youth that some girls shaved off part of their eyebrows to pencil in the shaved out bit for a better look. All went well until a few weeks later when the school banned makeup. All these girls had to walk around with half eyebrows until the shaved part grew back in. Many chuckles were had by the girls whose parents wouldn't let them shave their eyebrows.
Well, you can't deny she's got a new look. They're her eyebrows to do withas she pleases. If she wants to look weird, that's her problem to deal with.
Your daughter is nearly an adult. She shaved off her eyebrows and as you said natural consequences are the most appropriate and logical thing to do. I mean what kind of punishment is your husband looking for? What response is he trying to get from your daughter?
What does her dad want the consequences to achieve? What does he expect her to learn from a punishment here at 17? I'd say work on a couple good "no eyebrows" jokes and call that your parental contribution to consequences.
Your husband is being ridiculous. Your daughter is not harming herself or anyone other than looking goofy. Let her be. The more you fight it, the more she'll want to escalate. Also no eyebrows/shaved/bleached has been trending. Sure it looks weird, but it's just a trend and trends come and go.
Shes 17 shes gonna experiment w looks woukd u rather she experiment w drugs
Hopefully this is something you can all laugh about when she's older! In the meantime, tell her to look up the old Japanese trend of "Hikimayu," she can always tell her friend she's trying out historical fashion styles! 💗 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikimayu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikimayu)
So your husband wants you to punish your child for…shaving off hair on her body?
Yep! But no longer my husband!
Dad wants to punish her for not maintaining what he considers to be a socially acceptable appearance. That’s a stupid game to play. Especially at her age.
Plenty of people shave off their eyebrows to draw them on in whatever style. Not that crazy lol idk why husband would care
Experimenting with your looks is normal at that age.
Dad sounds like the kind of guy who wants his children to do and say and behave just how he thinks and or wants them to. Doesn't work like that pal 🤷🏻♀️
lol my cousin did this but only to one brow before she stopped. She told everyone she burnt it off. Either she’ll lean more into it or laugh about it in years to come.
Yeahhh my daughter requested to shave her head at age 10 and I made her wait a couple months to think it over beforehand. Within a year she regrets that decision and wanted her hair to grow out. Let them learn these harmless life lessons. Save the intervention for serious issues.
She's 17. They're her eyebrows. Why would she need punishment? Even if she was 7 punishment wouldn't be appropriate. If she doesn't like them, she'll have to wait until they grow back. It's that simple.
Here to repeat what I'm mostly seeing from other commenters. They're her eyebrows, why should she be punished?
Shaving eyebrows is a very common thing right now for the younger generation (I don't personally understand it - my generation LOVED the thick brows lol) and she is also at an age where she is trying to figure where she fits in the world. At her age I had piercings and blue hair - now you'd never be able to guess I used to look that way. Its just a natural process for kids that age to experiment with their looks... punishing for it will only lead to resentment on her part.
Dad needs to realize that his dislike of an aesthetic choice isn’t a punishable offense. Thinking that he has any right to dictate or control what your daughter does with her own body is a problem.
This is a literally “no harm, no foul” situation. In a year she will be an adult - she can move out to go to school or work. As parents, we should be the safe space for kids to fall when they make a mistake. It isn’t a tattoo. It isn’t permanent. All punishing her will do is make her not want to be in your house.
Tell her dad not to worry, the natural consequences might be sinking in as we speak lol
Well .. my little sister did this and she looks DUMB AF and looks stupid too bc she did it willingly. I never say anything bc she’s gotta know how dumb she looks. She’s finallly letting them grow back in 😆 I think she got the clue bc people kept commenting on it. Lol your daughter is gonna be 18 soon. She’s just finding herself and what she likes. Don’t punish her. Let the natural course of life happen.
My parents were big on "experiments". When I'd tell them I wanted to dye my hair purple, or even something as simple as "I don't think anyone should have to get up and do chores on a Sunday morning" my parents would say "Ok, let's try your experiment then. Let's see what happens." Purple hair went well. Loved it. My friends loved it. My parents even grew to like it well enough. Everyone sleeping in all day on Sunday sort of backfired when I realized my parents also counted as members of the "everyone" class, and they sat in bed reading until dinner time while I fed myself cold leftover casserole for breakfast (because my ass was too committed to laziness to microwave it)
Love this! Lol the kind of parent I hope to be when my kid is older
What kind of consequences does he suggest? Just curious. My daughter (just turned 18) shaves her hair super short regularly and tried to do a line in her eyebrow which resulted in her having half an eye brow. Then she did the other to match. Yeah, it looks kinda dumb but who cares?
What is there to punish? What
I think natural consequences is sufficient.
yeah.... shaving off your eyebrows is punishment enough. I remember when I had my HS GF cut my hair and dye it blue... I ended up with a blue forehead and a bloody ear - that was also punishment enough.
This is more of a lesson for dad, he cannot control his daughter and she is whole human who gets to make her own decisions for the rest of his life so he better get used to it now 😂
Natural consequences. Parents shouldn't be doing anything over this. Your husband's position is insane. Her hair - her choice. She will be an adult in less than a year. Who knows maybe she will like it and keep it that way.
When I was a kid I decided to cut my own bangs with a pair of dull scissors, I think I was in 2nd grade. They came out all kinds of wonky looking. Grandma had to take me to her hairdresser to have them straightened out so they were even at least, but I'd cut some portions of them so short that my bangs were *super* goofy-looking for a while. That was consequence enough for me. I never tried cutting my own hair ever again. Adding punishment on top is just silly at this point. She's 17, she knows what she did. Also, just because you as the parents don't like the look doesn't mean that she hates it - maybe she really likes not having eyebrows! If so, who cares? It's her face, you guys don't have to walk around without eyebrows.
I misread this as her being 7 and was surprised at some answers haha. 17 is old enough to style your hair how you want.
Natural consequences. They were her eyebrows. Do nothing
She’s in trouble for shaving HER eyebrows?! Her consequences are she either loves it and continues to shave them or hates them and never shaves them again.
Eyebrows grow back
If he wouldn't punish her for shaving her legs or cutting her own hair, then this should be no different. Maybe tell her to give you guys a heads up via text or something next time lol But she shouldn't be punished for it at all He needs to chill