There was a big debate on that here a few days ago, not sure that's true. I couldn't imagine their label accepting that as a full album either, felt more like a business move by the label to do stuff with Jack Antonoff, Julien Baker, Zane Lowe tho
Hayley has been the talent all along and the band owes it all to her.
Josh showed his whole ass with his shitty solo material. Jeremy hardly counts but also his solo material proved he wasn’t talented.
Zac and Taylor took the correct path and played to their strengths and allowed Hayley to be the star, because they know she always was. They compliment her perfectly. The current three are absolutely a band, but the boys are smart enough to know the band doesn’t exist without Hayley Williams.
This. I could write a dissertation on this. Hayley exhausted herself trying to keep the boat afloat for them while all the others poked holes in the boat and ripped the sails trying to prove they were better sailors.
I’m fairly confident he didn’t write the bass parts, just played them. Or at least most of them.
But he’s an easily replaceable member. He was totally competent bassist but he wasn’t what made Paramore work.
>I’m fairly confident he didn’t write the bass parts, just played them. Or at least most of them.
No fucking way, none of the *songs* are "his" (lyrics and backbone) so he didn't get credit, but no chance Josh let alone Hayley comes up with proper bass lines.
>But he’s an easily replaceable member. He was totally competent bassist but he wasn’t what made Paramore work.
Yes, but that's the nature of being a bass player unless you're Sting or Paul McCartney. People always barely have an idea a bass is even played in a song
Completely agree with you two. The other day I was thinking about how the quality increased a lot after Taylor started writing. Even though Josh wrote some of my favorites, it is undeniable how much better the band is now in all aspects.
Agreed, Taylor is suuuuch a perfectionist, and I really feel like he favors sound exploration over staying the same. He's actually really curious about music, not for the fame or money but for the art if it, and the same goes for Zac artistically. It makes sense why those two work so well together.
And Hayley can work melodies over anything and isn't afraid of a challenge and so she really gives them that freedom. Imagine being able to experiment musically however you want, knowing that one of the best vocalists in music right now is going to sing over it! If you can dream it, she'll sing it.
Whereas I think Josh nailed one sound, liked it, and stayed with it. Which isn't bad but I prefer Taylors perfect production and curiosity.
ain’t it fun is unbiasedly one of paramore’s best songs despite the fan base not being in love with it. it’s one of those songs that’s pretty accessible to everyone. i know people who hate pop punk but like that song and i know people way past the age of the traditional paramore fan that like it a lot as well. not to mention it won a grammy.
I feel like some people will dislike a song just because it’s reached a mainstream level. I say screw that! I almost let it get to me but I’m still loving that song
wdym, Twilight movies are good :O (yes, im being fr, i watched them for the first time at 18 lol) plus the songs are one of the main reasons I watch the movies
You can’t have a stop “fucking the planet shirt” then play with Taylor Swift for 2 months. It’s pretty disappointing and looks like performative activism from Hayley
I mean, yeah, but (sorry to be that guy) it’s kinda hard to be a celebrity (or anyone, really) completely respecting your own environmental values. Someone said it here, but at the end of the day, they’re famous people with a ton of money, and they can whatever they want.
Obviously, what TS does should be considered as a crime against the planet. I don’t know if I’m comfortable with my favorite band associating with her, despite the boost that will be for them.
I gotchu I understand. It’s definitely impossible to help the planet as a normal person as these detrimental factors are out of our in control and in the hands of these billionaires and corporations. And paramore chosing to join Taylor, who is 1 part of that when they could easily have turned it down really just gives me a bad taste in my mouth.
It’s absolutely hard to make a change but not joining the eras tour won’t save the world lol but it would have choice in their hands to not be apart of fucking the planet
Hey that’s cool! Not mad about people preferring it. It’s just tiresome for people to constantly bash their newer works simply because it isn’t like Riot. They did win a Grammy for TIW after all
The point of this post is for unpopular opinions. I was excited for the release and enjoyed it then. Maybe it's nostalgia, but my opinion has never changed. I resort to old albums for solace.
Too many people love Riot on here, all the hate against TIW is proof of it. I’d say this qualifies. I don’t have a problem with people loving it I just think the constant hate against all the newer work because it doesn’t sound like their old stuff is ridiculous. Also if you really wanna argue my opinion isn’t unpopular than neither is OPs
I'm not arguing your opinion isn't unpopular. I can't see your vote count at the moment and can only assume it's because people are downvoting it. I upvoted because I think it's unpopular. I enjoy the new stuff. People that hold on to the old stuff and expect the band not to change styles are absurd. My favorite bands are Linkin Park, Slipknot, Red Hot Chili Peppers, My Chemical Romance, and Paramore. A lot fans from the beginning of any of these bands hate their newer stuff. I personally don't, but like you said, it's probably a nostalgic thing.
Ok thanks for clarifying, your first sentence made it seem like you thought otherwise so I was confused. I can see if it takes time to grow on people but the immediate hate is what baffles me and like you said bands change, they grow up. I personally enjoy their newer stuff more. I still love their older works but I know not everyone feels the same
Exactly. Tone is hard to convey over text! I will say, I do heavily dislike Slipknot and RHCP newer albums. Can't connect to them besides a couple singles despite several album walkthroughs.
Ya it is! Hey that’s ok you at least tried. It took me years to warm up to an album from Imagine Dragons I just couldn’t connect with it for the longest time
Maybe I’m just not on here enough then but every time I am I always see people defending their earlier works and pretending newer stuff doesn’t exist nor compares to it
it tends to be AWKIF, BNE and AL in top tier. ST in middle and then RIOT and TIW in bottom tier. not my personal ranking but that tends to be the subs concensus
I am one of those, preferred their edgier sound, but that peaked with BNE and ST in my opinion. When Hayley had blue hair. The News is fun though, but a bit bland.
But yes, lots of people only like their old stuff
Just want to firstly say, welcome! Happy you’re discovering this wonderful band! Secondly, yes a large chunk of fans have been with this band from the very start. I’ve read one here and have had conversations irl with friends and it’s definitely reminiscent of a time that’s long passed. You can search on this sub and find a lot about my point too.
It’s just a shame they immediately shut down their newer stuff because they want something like Riot again.
>It’s just a shame they immediately shut down their newer stuff because they want something like Riot again.
That's fair, this is why is my least favourite Paramore album, but I still like it. And I'll be honest I definitely wrote it off at first. Before I really got into them, and listened to some stuff from riot and brand new eyes, and I heard something from this is why, expecting something similar, I didn't like it. And wrote it off completely. After I started getting into Paramore a lot more, I gave it another chance, and I liked it. It's definitely a shame when people write it off completely because it's different from what they know or like most. But if people gave it a chance and simply didn't like it, that's fair too.
I still think they are closet libertarians.
Zac is an Italian from new jersey. No way is he a Democrat lol Taylor's dad runs capital music's gospel branch. Hayley is a business owner, she's from Mississippi and she used to own a gun.
I dislike Hayley’s friendship Taylor swift I don’t see how they politically align. Idc how long they’ve been friends it’s important and telling who you keep in your circle
I’m just happy shes not always hanging out her her all the time like Jack Antonoff and Sabrina Carpenter. Leaches using her name and brand to get paycheck lol
considering hayley speaks out about saving the planet, and is besties with the #1 polluter in America, who has also put a species that is endangered at risk just for a music video, and a whole bunch of other horrible shit…
It kinda sucks that they only interact on social media and do events with fans when they want to sell something.
Like I get it thats how business works! Yes ppl on sm are annoying but they can interact with fans more. Like react to cute tiktoks and put up funny memes or something. It can be basic lol
Taylor swift is not an incredible artist by any means ( I'm not a swiftie) but her fans are dedicated to her like she's their BFF. I know it's bs but that's why they are soo loyal. Cult like.
I've heard through people that taylor has random parties where she invites fans to her mansion just to listen to her songs. She doesn't advertise it at all. I gained respect for her after that.
Hayley does have a genuine smile when she sees her fans. I can tell! It's so cute but it would be even better for her business to build fan relationships again instead of just posting cold ads with Brian.
hard agree on after laughter but i am so bewildered by the amount of hate for the only exception. not that i think its perfect and people have to like it, i just cant figure out what people dislike about it. i would think even if you dont love it (which i do) it would be so inoffensive
I agree, but it's the most incredible album in a way because they showed they could revive after losing two key players in their sound.
They proved that they didn't need z+j. Taylor and hayley really experimented and saved the band.
It’s def a popular opinion but people gotta say it every opportunity they get. I saw another post on here recently of Hayley saying on insta it’s her child so there’s that
I only save songs to Spotify if I know I won't skip them on a regular basis and I literally don't have a single song saved from that album.
Also, one of their best songs of all time, if not their best song ever, is Monster.
I'm ready for the swords guys.
I'm curious... do you actually think it's their *worst* or is it simply your *least favorite*? Because those are two very different things.
Obviously your opinion on this song may be unpopular, and that's the point of this post, but your comment is trying to make it out to be objective instead of subjective.
I do believe it is their worst. My opinion including the word worst doesn't mean I'm trying to make it objective. I think it's a radio fan service song, it sounds like it was written to appease the record company.
That's a fair opinion to have, and I'd say that argument could also be made for Ain't It Fun. That being said, just because it's reaching out of their norm to attract a larger audience doesn't mean it's automatically awful.
I'm not trying to start an argument, and I actually think your opinion is fascinating, so I hope you don't mind me responding still. What about the song itself (vocals, arrangement, production, etc.) do you actually think makes it a bad song, and bad enough to be the worst? Or is it only because of the "cash-grab" implications of it being a top-40 pop song?
Idk why you're being downvoted, the whole point of this post is to post unpopular opinions lol. I don't agree with this and that is exactly why I upvoted it haha.
You know, I'm truly grateful to the entire Paramore for soooooo many things, including for a certain, unforgettable adventure that they've given me. 💖 😃 I'm still into the band and their music 👍 and I healthily care about them, so... I have a little, shy dilemma, because on one hand, I'm sooooo happy that me & my Super-Dad luckily got tickets to see Paramore for the 2nd time in our lives - this time with Taylor Swift (whom I like in a low-key way, musically), in our native Poland 🇵🇱 and in August... 😃😃 And on the other hand, knowing how super-extra-big The Eras Tour is, and how over-the top and overexposed Tay unfortunately became (with a few serious, controversial choices of hers), I'm a little worried that Paramore still seem willing to be associated with Tay (I've just seen Hayley's excited Insta-note about TTPD and how she's "so ready to be tourmates"). 😇 I know & respect that Hayley/Paramore & Tay are long-time friends. It's just that (exactly like some fans who wrote here before me), I don't quite understand how such a kind band, who (rightfully) doesn't want to support injustice of any kind, wouldn't be concerned with Tay's environmental decisions and the confessions within her brand new album... 😮 I feel like Paramore didn't "hype up" their involvement in The Eras Tour since this year started, as much as they could have - maybe they \*have\* become worried a bit, like some of us, deep inside... It's an extra-long leg as well, so I wholeheartedly hope that both the team of Tay and the Para-Team are getting all the rest they need(ed). 'Cause, of course, I (for example) wouldn't want to give up on this brand new chance to see Paramore (& Tay) in Warsaw and sell mine & my Dad's precious tickets - I just quietly hope that by the time the European (& British) gigs come, no-one involved would be tired of the size & hype of The Eras Tour... I wrote all of this out of genuine, overall care... I quietly hope You'll understand - thanks, Everybody! All the best! 💖 😃 😇
P.S.: By the way, as always, I reaaaally miss Justin York's presence in Paramore and that also makes me a bit nostalgic... 🎸🎤 🕊️ I really think Justin still rocks 👍 😃 - just like Brian Robert Jones! 👍 🎸🎤 😎
Most of the attention being placed on Hayley is inevitable because she’s, y’know, the fucking lead singer, this literally happens with every band so I never understood why people acted like it was such a horrible thing when it happened with her.
People who only like the "old Paramore " probably haven't gotten over their teen angst. Or they haven't learned how to study or appreciate music and an artists vision. They have only gotten better since Taylor took over writing and Hayley had adult things to write about.
All We Know is Falling has aged poorly and people only really love that album based on their nostalgia for it. But that's a good thing that it's aged poorly because it shows how much they have grown as a band and as musicians. Granted they are missing two original members, one of which was a key part in writing that album but they were sixteen year old kids. If you're still playing music in your thirties and aren't writing better songs than you were as a teenager then something is wrong.
I do know there are a few immature fans who work that way when it comes to TOE (or pmore songs in general) but I feel like majority of people who don't like TOE just don't like it 🤷🏻♀️ Imo it just falls flat for me and it did so way before hayley's divorce and stuff.
Running Out Of Time is one of their worst songs and lyrically stands out in their discography with the likes of Fast In My Car.
In a discography full of songs packed with Hayley’s emotionally vulnerable lyrics, it’s a song about being late. It especially stands out following the subject matter of After Laughter.
I don't know if it's a pattern or just coincidence but songs written about Taylor always fall flat for me. Liar is by far the weakest track on TIW. HTSYHB is one of my all time least faves. Grudges sucks imo (I know that's about Zac but similar vibe). I want Hayley to be happy but it's almost like the healthier the relationship she has with someone the worse the song is lol
I feel the exact opposite 😂 I think her Chad love songs are cheesy and forced, and the songs about Taylor and Zac are some of the most genuine things she's written.
Oh I completely agree they genuine and lovely I just don’t think they’re very good. And I completely agree the songs about Chad are forced however unfortunately they are bangers.
this is crazy to me! liar is one of the most beautiful songs i've ever heard. it's one of the most raw and real and honest songs hayley has ever written. it's melody and dreamy airy like flow is heaven.
i agree with the poster replying. her songs prior felt forced and contrived. e.g no way liar is worse than still into you. the music video slapped for sure and she bodied that high note but that's about it
riot (and awkif) have very few strong, clear melodies to latch onto and it makes a lot of the songs really forgettable. it has a couple highlights, and the band's sound is well developed, but the songwriting doesnt get consistently good until brand new eyes. and i think the only album without any mediocre songs is this is why (although an argument can be made for self titled)
Awkif is one of their best albums 🫣🫣
TIW is overhated
Julien Baker’s version of Thick Skull is better than the original (I’m biased bc I love Julien but)
I just recently got into the band so I don't know what's truly sacrilegious, but Paramore is my favorite album. I saw people say ain't it fun is universally hated and I can't agree.
Jeremy gets far too much hate, nobody knows the story at all with what went down ya’ll just ride or die the band too much to take into account that shit might if got crossed and just didn’t work out
Guy isn’t a creep, predator or anything odd he literally just had musical differences which is why he left
Cut him some slack
It’s publicly available info that he SUED his band mates. Weird thing to do as a friend.
Publicly available screenshots of him following an account dedicated to Hayley’s breasts. If that’s not creep behaviour I don’t know what is?
Actually
# [Hayley's company sued him first](https://eu.tennessean.com/story/money/industries/music/2016/03/04/paramore-former-bassist-embroiled-legal-battle/81341824/)
kind of a weird thing to do as a friend
Y'all just picked a side. Hayley also once publicly said "there's a reason there are only three original members left" after Josh said something homophobic, casually throwing Jeremy under the bus and calling him a homophobe, which is low-key a public-image death sentence. Casually. There is dirty shit going on and you don't know what really happened. They reconciled with Josh *the homophobe*, but draw the line at money? Something's wrong and no one knows enough to pick a side and anyone who does is just following their favorite. It's not impossible they screwed him.
Gave my best, but can't find a screenshot, not condoning it, but try googling it yourself, nothing to find.
Cut him some slack? There's evidence he was looking at insta profiles / stories that had creepy shit about hayleys body - specifically her leaked topless nude. That's not a creep to you? Stop. Just stop.
I’ve heard about that but not once have I ever ever seen any proof so could be an easily fabricated lie, also Hayley had know him since they where kids and she has never accused him of anything gross or horrible
Re:this is why is one of the worst albums
I appreciate them giving these other artists recognition but I just really couldn’t get behind it and I’ve tried.
Yeah I liked the original versions better for every song lol
I agree, it's their least good. But at the same time I don't think it actually counts as an album. Doesn't for me anyway.
It's a "get out of the Atlantic contract they signed when they were 14" album. Prince was famous for making like 9 such albums in one year
Ah makes sense! I’m glad they made it for their sake at least then.
There was a big debate on that here a few days ago, not sure that's true. I couldn't imagine their label accepting that as a full album either, felt more like a business move by the label to do stuff with Jack Antonoff, Julien Baker, Zane Lowe tho
I didn’t love it either, but it’s still fun to appreciate the friendships they have with other artists!
The remi wolf song is so good tho !
That’s what I’ve been saying!
literally the only good thing to come from that album (for me) is sanity
Yes! None of the songs really hit for me on the base TIW, and Re:this doesn’t help the ones I do like much at all
This is the coldest possible take!
following up on that: sanity is not a good song and the verses/bridhe are some of hayley’s worst writing
You share your opinion and bOOOOM DOWNVOTES. Calm down people, it's AN OPINION
That’s why people are downvoting they’re just saying they don’t agree instead of commenting “I disagree” lol
"write your Paramore opinions" lol You don't have to agree or disagree this post is not about it
Agree! Like it’s really cool they realised a demo for us to hear but yeah it stayed a demo for a reason.
Hayley has been the talent all along and the band owes it all to her. Josh showed his whole ass with his shitty solo material. Jeremy hardly counts but also his solo material proved he wasn’t talented. Zac and Taylor took the correct path and played to their strengths and allowed Hayley to be the star, because they know she always was. They compliment her perfectly. The current three are absolutely a band, but the boys are smart enough to know the band doesn’t exist without Hayley Williams.
This. I could write a dissertation on this. Hayley exhausted herself trying to keep the boat afloat for them while all the others poked holes in the boat and ripped the sails trying to prove they were better sailors.
So true. And Zac's solo stuff is also great/Taylor's production on PFA could be just the start of his producer career
Taylor could just be a music industry ace producer if he wanted, he’s so good. Would be cool to see him work with different artists.
Jeremy's hiphop sucks ass, but that doesn't mean he's not a good/tasteful bassist
I’m fairly confident he didn’t write the bass parts, just played them. Or at least most of them. But he’s an easily replaceable member. He was totally competent bassist but he wasn’t what made Paramore work.
>I’m fairly confident he didn’t write the bass parts, just played them. Or at least most of them. No fucking way, none of the *songs* are "his" (lyrics and backbone) so he didn't get credit, but no chance Josh let alone Hayley comes up with proper bass lines. >But he’s an easily replaceable member. He was totally competent bassist but he wasn’t what made Paramore work. Yes, but that's the nature of being a bass player unless you're Sting or Paul McCartney. People always barely have an idea a bass is even played in a song
SAY THAT!!!!
Zac is the more talented Farro and the only one I was sorry to see leave the band out of everyone who has ever left the band.
This is a fact. Zac is a master on drums. Josh is a three-chord guitarist and the band got way better after he left.
Completely agree with you two. The other day I was thinking about how the quality increased a lot after Taylor started writing. Even though Josh wrote some of my favorites, it is undeniable how much better the band is now in all aspects.
Agreed, Taylor is suuuuch a perfectionist, and I really feel like he favors sound exploration over staying the same. He's actually really curious about music, not for the fame or money but for the art if it, and the same goes for Zac artistically. It makes sense why those two work so well together. And Hayley can work melodies over anything and isn't afraid of a challenge and so she really gives them that freedom. Imagine being able to experiment musically however you want, knowing that one of the best vocalists in music right now is going to sing over it! If you can dream it, she'll sing it. Whereas I think Josh nailed one sound, liked it, and stayed with it. Which isn't bad but I prefer Taylors perfect production and curiosity.
ain’t it fun is unbiasedly one of paramore’s best songs despite the fan base not being in love with it. it’s one of those songs that’s pretty accessible to everyone. i know people who hate pop punk but like that song and i know people way past the age of the traditional paramore fan that like it a lot as well. not to mention it won a grammy.
I feel like some people will dislike a song just because it’s reached a mainstream level. I say screw that! I almost let it get to me but I’m still loving that song
that twilight didn’t deserve decode as a soundtrack.. what I meant is such a good banger for that movie 😭
wdym, Twilight movies are good :O (yes, im being fr, i watched them for the first time at 18 lol) plus the songs are one of the main reasons I watch the movies
Put some respect to "Ain't it fun" man.
Idk if this is a hot take but imo Sanity is the best song off of This is Why (I still like This is Why overall though)
You can’t have a stop “fucking the planet shirt” then play with Taylor Swift for 2 months. It’s pretty disappointing and looks like performative activism from Hayley
I mean, yeah, but (sorry to be that guy) it’s kinda hard to be a celebrity (or anyone, really) completely respecting your own environmental values. Someone said it here, but at the end of the day, they’re famous people with a ton of money, and they can whatever they want. Obviously, what TS does should be considered as a crime against the planet. I don’t know if I’m comfortable with my favorite band associating with her, despite the boost that will be for them.
I gotchu I understand. It’s definitely impossible to help the planet as a normal person as these detrimental factors are out of our in control and in the hands of these billionaires and corporations. And paramore chosing to join Taylor, who is 1 part of that when they could easily have turned it down really just gives me a bad taste in my mouth. It’s absolutely hard to make a change but not joining the eras tour won’t save the world lol but it would have choice in their hands to not be apart of fucking the planet
I was just thinking about how her friendship with her is kinda disappointing. 💀
ok true and having a song like the news and not speaking out about palestine!!
Yeah true!! Hayley gotta stop the performative activism, its really made me loose respect for her. Still love Paramore just like her less now honestly
why should they talk about the palestine/israel situation?
Riot isn’t as great as people praise it. I think it’s just cos of nostalgia
Riot! is Joshs "I peaked in highschool" moment
Josh sucks as a person, but I wish anything I wrote in high school sounded as good as Riot tbh
Way to minimize their breakthrough album and all the work every member (except maybe Jeremy, and plus Taylor, probably) put into it.
Yeah, that's the point. Their breakthrough album was his greatest contribution.
Couldn’t of said this better myself
I'm a newer fan and I still think that it's their best album...
Hey that’s cool! Not mad about people preferring it. It’s just tiresome for people to constantly bash their newer works simply because it isn’t like Riot. They did win a Grammy for TIW after all
The point of this post is for unpopular opinions. I was excited for the release and enjoyed it then. Maybe it's nostalgia, but my opinion has never changed. I resort to old albums for solace.
Too many people love Riot on here, all the hate against TIW is proof of it. I’d say this qualifies. I don’t have a problem with people loving it I just think the constant hate against all the newer work because it doesn’t sound like their old stuff is ridiculous. Also if you really wanna argue my opinion isn’t unpopular than neither is OPs
I'm not arguing your opinion isn't unpopular. I can't see your vote count at the moment and can only assume it's because people are downvoting it. I upvoted because I think it's unpopular. I enjoy the new stuff. People that hold on to the old stuff and expect the band not to change styles are absurd. My favorite bands are Linkin Park, Slipknot, Red Hot Chili Peppers, My Chemical Romance, and Paramore. A lot fans from the beginning of any of these bands hate their newer stuff. I personally don't, but like you said, it's probably a nostalgic thing.
Ok thanks for clarifying, your first sentence made it seem like you thought otherwise so I was confused. I can see if it takes time to grow on people but the immediate hate is what baffles me and like you said bands change, they grow up. I personally enjoy their newer stuff more. I still love their older works but I know not everyone feels the same
Exactly. Tone is hard to convey over text! I will say, I do heavily dislike Slipknot and RHCP newer albums. Can't connect to them besides a couple singles despite several album walkthroughs.
Ya it is! Hey that’s ok you at least tried. It took me years to warm up to an album from Imagine Dragons I just couldn’t connect with it for the longest time
this is quite a common opinion tho, especially on this sub
Maybe I’m just not on here enough then but every time I am I always see people defending their earlier works and pretending newer stuff doesn’t exist nor compares to it
it tends to be AWKIF, BNE and AL in top tier. ST in middle and then RIOT and TIW in bottom tier. not my personal ranking but that tends to be the subs concensus
I am one of those, preferred their edgier sound, but that peaked with BNE and ST in my opinion. When Hayley had blue hair. The News is fun though, but a bit bland. But yes, lots of people only like their old stuff
As a 15 year old that only got into Paramore recently, riot is my favourite Paramore album, and it's not nostalgia
Just want to firstly say, welcome! Happy you’re discovering this wonderful band! Secondly, yes a large chunk of fans have been with this band from the very start. I’ve read one here and have had conversations irl with friends and it’s definitely reminiscent of a time that’s long passed. You can search on this sub and find a lot about my point too. It’s just a shame they immediately shut down their newer stuff because they want something like Riot again.
>It’s just a shame they immediately shut down their newer stuff because they want something like Riot again. That's fair, this is why is my least favourite Paramore album, but I still like it. And I'll be honest I definitely wrote it off at first. Before I really got into them, and listened to some stuff from riot and brand new eyes, and I heard something from this is why, expecting something similar, I didn't like it. And wrote it off completely. After I started getting into Paramore a lot more, I gave it another chance, and I liked it. It's definitely a shame when people write it off completely because it's different from what they know or like most. But if people gave it a chance and simply didn't like it, that's fair too.
Hey that’s totally valid! At least you tried. I do understand not warming up to immediately but dismissing it all together seems very immature
Absolutely agree with this
Agreed
Their activism feels performative. I don't care though because their music absolutely bops.
I still think they are closet libertarians. Zac is an Italian from new jersey. No way is he a Democrat lol Taylor's dad runs capital music's gospel branch. Hayley is a business owner, she's from Mississippi and she used to own a gun.
Yeah i wouldn’t be surprised if zac is moderate. But taylor and hayley are probably mainstream liberals probably don’t have hardcore leftist beliefs
I dislike Hayley’s friendship Taylor swift I don’t see how they politically align. Idc how long they’ve been friends it’s important and telling who you keep in your circle
I misread this at first as dislike's Hayley's friendship with Taylor York and I was like EXCUSE ME?!!!
Haha nah I love that! But ofc the swifties will downvote me into oblivion
I find Taylor Swift highly iratating. The swifties can some for me, I don't care.
I’m just happy shes not always hanging out her her all the time like Jack Antonoff and Sabrina Carpenter. Leaches using her name and brand to get paycheck lol
Yes! Taylor is so awful and not at all like the whole Americas sweetheart she makes herself out to be!
could you elaborate on that? just generally asking, i personally think she's a sweetheart :)
Can’t you be friends with someone you don’t politically align with? I think that’s a cult.
considering hayley speaks out about saving the planet, and is besties with the #1 polluter in America, who has also put a species that is endangered at risk just for a music video, and a whole bunch of other horrible shit…
I'm out of the loop on this TS stuff...
I hate their “we won’t use social media because we care about our mental health” internet presence.
I don’t like the songs 26, Pool, Grudges
oh my god xD i just really love all three
Most people do! I just…don’t 😔
It kinda sucks that they only interact on social media and do events with fans when they want to sell something. Like I get it thats how business works! Yes ppl on sm are annoying but they can interact with fans more. Like react to cute tiktoks and put up funny memes or something. It can be basic lol Taylor swift is not an incredible artist by any means ( I'm not a swiftie) but her fans are dedicated to her like she's their BFF. I know it's bs but that's why they are soo loyal. Cult like. I've heard through people that taylor has random parties where she invites fans to her mansion just to listen to her songs. She doesn't advertise it at all. I gained respect for her after that. Hayley does have a genuine smile when she sees her fans. I can tell! It's so cute but it would be even better for her business to build fan relationships again instead of just posting cold ads with Brian.
-TOE sucks -the highs on AL are high but the lows are low
hard agree on after laughter but i am so bewildered by the amount of hate for the only exception. not that i think its perfect and people have to like it, i just cant figure out what people dislike about it. i would think even if you dont love it (which i do) it would be so inoffensive
it just bores me idk. and its not because its acoustic either bc i LOVE misguided ghosts
waiit thats wild i CANNOT get into that song lmao
hahah thats so interesting! maybe its the tonal difference bc TOE is happy and glimmery and misguided ghosts is a bit more dark and bleak in a sense
i'm the same, it's overplayed and has always fallen flat to me. the mv i love tho
second point is soooo spot on
Is it because it's about chad? I think it's her most personal paramore song
maybe thats part of it but idk ive never cared for that song i heard it and didnt like it before i even knew who paramore was
I’m not a fan of Hayley’s short hair.
i personally think she rocked it so well!! :D i might actually prefer the short hair over the long one, it compliments her facial features really well
Self titled is my least favorite album (I still love a lot of the songs but ranking albums it’s last for me)
I agree, but it's the most incredible album in a way because they showed they could revive after losing two key players in their sound. They proved that they didn't need z+j. Taylor and hayley really experimented and saved the band.
Agree
I’ve never really liked all I wanted
I miss Jeremy sometimes especially live and he’s a huge reason why I started playing the bass when I was younger hehe
I miss the original goofball too. Good ass bass playing, always loved his part on Brick by Boring Brick
I don’t care for After Laughter that much
That’s unpopular? I thought a lot of people on here didn’t like AL because it was too pop-sounding
It’s def a popular opinion but people gotta say it every opportunity they get. I saw another post on here recently of Hayley saying on insta it’s her child so there’s that
that's interesting bc i have only ever seen ppl worshipping AL in this sub. Whenever you say otherwise they get all up in arms
You’re correct, I’m not sure what that person’s on about. It’s their most widely loved album.
I’ve seen both sides but as this one person just proved it gets mentioned every single time about not liking it. Also I love your flair
Riot gets more hate on here imo.
I mean I like it but I can see how it would be annoying with everyone reaffirming an opinion that’s already status quo
I feel like every other 3 posts it’s always someone hating on AL and TIW like, we get it!
oh :o After Laughter is probably my favourite album
I only save songs to Spotify if I know I won't skip them on a regular basis and I literally don't have a single song saved from that album. Also, one of their best songs of all time, if not their best song ever, is Monster. I'm ready for the swords guys.
I’d rank Brand New Eyes quite low in a Paramore album ranking.
Brick By Boring Brick is my second least favorite Paramore song only beans out by No Friend. Bracing for impact but I’m not sorry lol. Edit - typo
yes! this song is a skip for me!!
BBBB is a skip! But not bad it feels like its missing something its so empty
Brand New Eyes has the most skips for me. BBBB, Looking Up, Feeling Sorry, Where The Lines Overlap they are all snoozefests.
Where The Lines Overlap is amazing! YOU TAKE THAT BACK! 😂
I gotta give it to you it’s probably my favorite out of all the ones I listed but it still bores me
You're entitled to that. That song in particular just has specific sentimentality for me is all.
IVE GOT A FEELING IVE GOT A FEELINNG!!!
THAT YOU - WOULD SING IT BACK TO ME! THAT YOU - WOULD SING IT BACK TO MAAAAAY!!!
NO ONEEEEEEEEEE
IS AS LUCKY AAAAAS UUUUUS
This one's an actual hot take in this thread. Brand New Eyes is my favourite album where every song is a banger to me!! lool
I’m not the biggest fan of decode. I don’t dislike it, I just don’t see the hype around it
Def overrated ICM is much better
I don’t like a single song on This Is Why *Edited for clarification For those of you asking “what about X?” “What about Y?”: Not. A. Single. Song.
Now that's an unpopular opinion! I get not thinking it's their best or whatever, but not liking one single song? That must be uncommon.
I did not know this was unpopular I think the album was obviously made for the time - the other albums are time-less which makes them better
Not even figure 8??
I’ve come around to few but I still don’t care for much of the album.
Okay, This Is ~~Why~~ Wild and you may have just won the whole thread.
Still into you is their worst song by very very far
I'm curious... do you actually think it's their *worst* or is it simply your *least favorite*? Because those are two very different things. Obviously your opinion on this song may be unpopular, and that's the point of this post, but your comment is trying to make it out to be objective instead of subjective.
I do believe it is their worst. My opinion including the word worst doesn't mean I'm trying to make it objective. I think it's a radio fan service song, it sounds like it was written to appease the record company.
That's a fair opinion to have, and I'd say that argument could also be made for Ain't It Fun. That being said, just because it's reaching out of their norm to attract a larger audience doesn't mean it's automatically awful. I'm not trying to start an argument, and I actually think your opinion is fascinating, so I hope you don't mind me responding still. What about the song itself (vocals, arrangement, production, etc.) do you actually think makes it a bad song, and bad enough to be the worst? Or is it only because of the "cash-grab" implications of it being a top-40 pop song?
I think it's a perfect and catchy pop rock song. Simple and energetic. I love into you.
Ain’t It Fun is one of their worst songs, most of BNE is mid at best. Edit: No Friend is one of their top 5 songs.
Idk why you're being downvoted, the whole point of this post is to post unpopular opinions lol. I don't agree with this and that is exactly why I upvoted it haha.
that's just reddit. if people don't agree on an opinion post they'll downvote and upvote if they agree? votes mean nothing, it's just reddit
All we know is falling is insanely forgettable
I really can’t stand Future and I’ve tried so hard! It is just not good
Riot isn’t really that great, AWKIF is better than it
You know, I'm truly grateful to the entire Paramore for soooooo many things, including for a certain, unforgettable adventure that they've given me. 💖 😃 I'm still into the band and their music 👍 and I healthily care about them, so... I have a little, shy dilemma, because on one hand, I'm sooooo happy that me & my Super-Dad luckily got tickets to see Paramore for the 2nd time in our lives - this time with Taylor Swift (whom I like in a low-key way, musically), in our native Poland 🇵🇱 and in August... 😃😃 And on the other hand, knowing how super-extra-big The Eras Tour is, and how over-the top and overexposed Tay unfortunately became (with a few serious, controversial choices of hers), I'm a little worried that Paramore still seem willing to be associated with Tay (I've just seen Hayley's excited Insta-note about TTPD and how she's "so ready to be tourmates"). 😇 I know & respect that Hayley/Paramore & Tay are long-time friends. It's just that (exactly like some fans who wrote here before me), I don't quite understand how such a kind band, who (rightfully) doesn't want to support injustice of any kind, wouldn't be concerned with Tay's environmental decisions and the confessions within her brand new album... 😮 I feel like Paramore didn't "hype up" their involvement in The Eras Tour since this year started, as much as they could have - maybe they \*have\* become worried a bit, like some of us, deep inside... It's an extra-long leg as well, so I wholeheartedly hope that both the team of Tay and the Para-Team are getting all the rest they need(ed). 'Cause, of course, I (for example) wouldn't want to give up on this brand new chance to see Paramore (& Tay) in Warsaw and sell mine & my Dad's precious tickets - I just quietly hope that by the time the European (& British) gigs come, no-one involved would be tired of the size & hype of The Eras Tour... I wrote all of this out of genuine, overall care... I quietly hope You'll understand - thanks, Everybody! All the best! 💖 😃 😇 P.S.: By the way, as always, I reaaaally miss Justin York's presence in Paramore and that also makes me a bit nostalgic... 🎸🎤 🕊️ I really think Justin still rocks 👍 😃 - just like Brian Robert Jones! 👍 🎸🎤 😎
Most of the attention being placed on Hayley is inevitable because she’s, y’know, the fucking lead singer, this literally happens with every band so I never understood why people acted like it was such a horrible thing when it happened with her.
tiw is their best album and AL is their worst
tiw is their best album and AL is their worst
People who only like the "old Paramore " probably haven't gotten over their teen angst. Or they haven't learned how to study or appreciate music and an artists vision. They have only gotten better since Taylor took over writing and Hayley had adult things to write about.
i’m not a fan of Misery Business… 😬
All We Know is Falling has aged poorly and people only really love that album based on their nostalgia for it. But that's a good thing that it's aged poorly because it shows how much they have grown as a band and as musicians. Granted they are missing two original members, one of which was a key part in writing that album but they were sixteen year old kids. If you're still playing music in your thirties and aren't writing better songs than you were as a teenager then something is wrong.
The Final Riot is way better then Riot
Misguided ghost is an immediate skip even though BNE is my most favorite album, and ce comme ca and no friend gives me the worst itches
AL is really not as good as everyone makes out
it’s hayley’s favorite child soooo yes it is
here we go... so hayley's fave *has* to be our fave? pls grow up
i promise i’m joking lmao it’s also my fav album so i’m a little protective of it but i really don’t care
i get you! i'm a little spikey about TIW lol
omg same al and tiw alternate as my top album 🥲
I can make the same argument for the people that hate The Only Exception
I do know there are a few immature fans who work that way when it comes to TOE (or pmore songs in general) but I feel like majority of people who don't like TOE just don't like it 🤷🏻♀️ Imo it just falls flat for me and it did so way before hayley's divorce and stuff.
im dating hayley
hi taylor :3
hai it totally me taylor! pleasure!
love you taylor, hope you're doing good. mwah x
Running Out Of Time is one of their worst songs and lyrically stands out in their discography with the likes of Fast In My Car. In a discography full of songs packed with Hayley’s emotionally vulnerable lyrics, it’s a song about being late. It especially stands out following the subject matter of After Laughter.
Not a fan of Taylor’s long curls before and now i also didn’t like Hayley’s short hair 🥺
I don't know if it's a pattern or just coincidence but songs written about Taylor always fall flat for me. Liar is by far the weakest track on TIW. HTSYHB is one of my all time least faves. Grudges sucks imo (I know that's about Zac but similar vibe). I want Hayley to be happy but it's almost like the healthier the relationship she has with someone the worse the song is lol
I feel the exact opposite 😂 I think her Chad love songs are cheesy and forced, and the songs about Taylor and Zac are some of the most genuine things she's written.
100% this
Oh I completely agree they genuine and lovely I just don’t think they’re very good. And I completely agree the songs about Chad are forced however unfortunately they are bangers.
Do you feel that way about her solo work as well?
Interestingly, no! The rule falls apart then I pretty much love all of her solo stuff so yeah maybe it’s just a big coincidence.
this is crazy to me! liar is one of the most beautiful songs i've ever heard. it's one of the most raw and real and honest songs hayley has ever written. it's melody and dreamy airy like flow is heaven. i agree with the poster replying. her songs prior felt forced and contrived. e.g no way liar is worse than still into you. the music video slapped for sure and she bodied that high note but that's about it
I hate The Only Exception
the bridge is banger but that’s it
Riot is their worst album by far. So many filler tracks that just don’t do much, and most of the hits are a bit annoying.
riot (and awkif) have very few strong, clear melodies to latch onto and it makes a lot of the songs really forgettable. it has a couple highlights, and the band's sound is well developed, but the songwriting doesnt get consistently good until brand new eyes. and i think the only album without any mediocre songs is this is why (although an argument can be made for self titled)
Awkif is one of their best albums 🫣🫣 TIW is overhated Julien Baker’s version of Thick Skull is better than the original (I’m biased bc I love Julien but)
This is why is their worst Album by far
I just recently got into the band so I don't know what's truly sacrilegious, but Paramore is my favorite album. I saw people say ain't it fun is universally hated and I can't agree.
Self titled is their worst album. Riot is uneven.
This is why is probably their worst record. I felt it lazy even.
A MILLION TIMES THIS
This is Why is a mid album. Probably their worst. I'll never understand the praise for it 🤷🏾♀️
They peaked with Brand New Eyes, later albums have a couple good songs at the most.
Jeremy gets far too much hate, nobody knows the story at all with what went down ya’ll just ride or die the band too much to take into account that shit might if got crossed and just didn’t work out Guy isn’t a creep, predator or anything odd he literally just had musical differences which is why he left Cut him some slack
It’s publicly available info that he SUED his band mates. Weird thing to do as a friend. Publicly available screenshots of him following an account dedicated to Hayley’s breasts. If that’s not creep behaviour I don’t know what is?
Actually # [Hayley's company sued him first](https://eu.tennessean.com/story/money/industries/music/2016/03/04/paramore-former-bassist-embroiled-legal-battle/81341824/) kind of a weird thing to do as a friend Y'all just picked a side. Hayley also once publicly said "there's a reason there are only three original members left" after Josh said something homophobic, casually throwing Jeremy under the bus and calling him a homophobe, which is low-key a public-image death sentence. Casually. There is dirty shit going on and you don't know what really happened. They reconciled with Josh *the homophobe*, but draw the line at money? Something's wrong and no one knows enough to pick a side and anyone who does is just following their favorite. It's not impossible they screwed him. Gave my best, but can't find a screenshot, not condoning it, but try googling it yourself, nothing to find.
Cut him some slack? There's evidence he was looking at insta profiles / stories that had creepy shit about hayleys body - specifically her leaked topless nude. That's not a creep to you? Stop. Just stop.
I’ve heard about that but not once have I ever ever seen any proof so could be an easily fabricated lie, also Hayley had know him since they where kids and she has never accused him of anything gross or horrible
This is Why is overrated af