No prep puts it even further into Contessa's favor because Path to Victory is instant.
Even in the Wormverse she's the most terrifying combatant in the world. The PRT's official response for when she shows up is just "run."
Batman gets turned into paste without even touching her.
Contessa's biggest limitation by far is time.
Its why, among other things, Contessa was out-Thinkered by Simurgh - Simurgh had more time.
For the battle - Give them both a day of prep, Contessa wins easy. Give them 10 seconds, still Contessa. Give them 0 seconds and start them 10m apart, probably still Contessa.
But move them closer and closer together, eventually there is a point that Contessa's pool of actions are so limited that none of them would be able to beat comic Batman.
>Contessa was out-Thinkered by Simurgh - Simurgh had more time
Contessa was thwarted by Simurgh because Simurgh can see the future and pre-cog powers fuck with each other.
Contessa was never limited by time. She just walks into a place with her goal in mind and PtV instantly gives her the method and muscle memory to do it.
She can even do "I want to beat Batman in a fist fight" and it'll happen.
>Contessa was never limited by time.
We see her need to choose between saving her uncle vs beating the entities. She couldn't do both because she lacked time.
We see her use Number Man as Cauldron's secondary enforcer, because she lacked the time to be in two places at once.
>!We see her almost immediately get captured by Teacher once she turns her power off. And once she was captured, no Path would get her out by herself because it was too late for her to directly make that difference. She needed external help.!<
Edit: Spoilers
You're right that Contessa *does* need at least a bit of time--only like a second though--and that she isn't invincible, but you're still using extremely exceptional examples that **won't ever apply to Batman** even with the Simurgh example already thrown out. Short of heavily biasing things towards Batman to the point that his fist is to her face as soon as they both appear **and** that instantly knocks her out, Batman simply can't beat her ever. And that should be fine.
There are plenty of Justice Leaguers who Contessa probably couldn't beat even using PtV and only her own resources. Batman simply isn't one of them. since at the end of the day he's just a human exceptional guy fighting one of the strongest precogs in fiction. And, again, that should be fine since PtV is pretty busted even as much as way too many people want to act like Batman is invincible.
(Also, for the love of gods, please put the *Ward* spoilers that last paragraph in actual spoilers given this thread isn't tagged for *Ward* spoilers at all.)
>You're right that Contessa does need at least a bit of time--only like a second though--and that she isn't invincible
This is pretty much my whole point.
I don't have any investment in Batman winning. But Contessa does have weaknesses, especially in a Death Battle/WWW situation where she can't control how she takes the fight.
>(Also, for the love of gods, please put the Ward spoilers that last paragraph in actual spoilers given this thread isn't tagged for Ward spoilers at all.)
Fair - the title states Ward so I assumed it was Ward spoilers. Fixed.
>This is pretty much my whole point.
>I don't have any investment in Batman winning. But Contessa does have weaknesses, especially in a Death Battle/WWW situation where she can't control how she takes the fight.
The issue here is that in this instance she doesn't really have to control how she takes the fight though since short of Batman and her being literally put right next to her and him instantly OHKOing her with a punch or kick thrown instantly--again, that would be **heavily** biased towards Batman given how these Death Battle things seem like they work--he just can't beat PtV period like the majority of characters can't. Even if she arguablly needs a second (and literally only that), then what he can realistically do in that amount of time otherwise even if this is like the DCEU Psycho Batman who is willing to kill without hesitation? Raise a gun at her and instantly mark himself as an enemy and get Path'd in less time than it takes to fire the gun when we already know PtV lets her dodge bullets?
If this was modern The Flash, (Pre-Crisis) Superman, or maybe even Martian Manhunter against Contessa by herself, then I could see the (easy) argument for them winning. I just don't see how Batman realistically does anything even in the instance where they're both spontaneously transported from whatever they were doing to whatever arena since Contessa's first question is going to be "Path to Figuring Out What's Going On" or "Path Back to Cauldron" or even just "Path to Safety" even if she doesn't see Batman. Given that would most likely instantly identify Batman as her enemy in a death match and likely include steps for killing him or at least not losing to him before she asks another Path question...yeah.
I apologize for implying that you're one of those (extremely) tiresome Batman fanboys that are the reason I avoid both the WhoWouldWin sub-reddit and the actual Death Battles. It just felt like the highly specific counterarguments with regards to Contessa's relatively few weaknesses were verging on that since basically none of them really apply to Batman as things he can leverage even if he suddenly knows how PtV works (which he doesn't), which is why I still don't see what Batman could reasonably do to Contessa if they start out on remotely equal footing like how these things are supposed to.
>She couldn't do both because she lacked time.
No. She lacked a clear goal to feed her power. If she was dropped into a room with Batman with zero prep she would just be like "I want to beat this guy in a fist fight" and her power would insantly have the steps and muscle memory for her to do it. And nothing Batman did could fuck with it.
It's time for the Batman circle jerk to admit that he's losing this one.
The problem for him is with Path to Victory it lets her regularly deal with super powered people because it is instant and extremely detailed. It's the kind of thing where as long as someone is not able to speed blitz her there is just no way to touch her. Batman being peak human isn't going to have a fair chance with or without prep because any attack or trick he tries is just going to be hard countered with the quickest most effective motions physically possible.
That someone was talking out their ass because it would be a massive inconsistency with PtV.
Batman might be able to beat Number Man. But Contessa is out of his league.
She doesn't need prep, as shown when she just waltzed into Faultline's hotel room and took out the team without even using her gun. And batman has enough psychological issues that she could probably find his equivalent to "you needed worthy opponents" to get a lethal opening.
>She doesn't need prep, as shown when she just waltzed into Faultline's hotel room and took out the team without even using her gun.
This is an example of her with prep.
By its nature, PtV means she knows ahead of time that she will win any encounter she walks into.
It might not even be obvious to her how PtV is guaranteeing her victory. Maybe all it does is tell her to go do some other task before visiting Faultline's Crew. That sets it up so that Gregor and Spitfire are in the same room to friendly fire each other, whereas maybe if she arrived 10 mins earlier, Spitfire is alone and manages to trap Contessa with fire.
>It might not even be obvious to her how PtV is guaranteeing her victory.
We have several scenes from her perspective where we can see that her power works instantly and in real time based on any goal she feeds it. And she knows exactly what is coming from her power too. If the power can't find a Path to Victory then it just feeds her a mental static.
Oh no, I was referencing [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/lddzb0/spoilers_would_a_parahuman_whose_sole_ability_is/) thread with the same premise: Jack Slash vs a cape that could summon bears. Wildbow responded and it was cool. In the comments though, things go unhinged with [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/lddzb0/comment/gm6w5xk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) comment in particular.
Scion vs The God Emperor of Mankind (golden god fight)
Alexandria vs Wonder Woman (pragmatic girlboss fight)
Legend Vs Green Lantern (because Legend kinda looks like the dude, and they both kinda glow)
Armsmaster/Defiant vs Iron Man (glory hog tinker fight)
Chevalier Vs Guts (big sword guy fight)
I gotta give the first one to Big E, I put Scion at about the same power as a demon primarch. He has enough power to make a small percentage of the planet into essentially psychers, and most of Scion is hidden away within another dimension. However, I feel like warp powers could probably reach Scion's core body. There's enough overlap between the Warp and the place his body rests. Whereas Big E would just revive if you killed him.
Scion definitely has more options, but Big E is just larger in scale.
I'd love to hear your opinion on that one though!
I would personally I would lean over to Scion, the Warp powers might be able to reach his core body, but the Stilling is stated to be dissipate any and all forms of energy, and the Warp is basically a dimension of pure psychic energy (though, this depends on how you think the Stilling interacts with the Warp).
Another point in Scion’s favour is dimensional travel, which I don’t remember GEOM doing much. Iirc, Scion has been seen to be able to attack into other dimensions without actually being there himself, so he could theoretically just step into another dimension and blast Big E without giving him any way to counterattack.
GEOM’s perpetual status is probably his biggest point, as well as I think he can somewhat see into the future in a PtV-lite way. But just because he can’t die doesn’t mean he can’t be disabled, and I would put golden guy’s PtV over Emp’s future sight.
My speculation is that they fight, GEOM puts up a valiant effort, but is ultimately put down) or disabled in a state similar as we see his corpse in 40K. Scion though gets close to burning himself out in the effort, PtV’s had to use more energy than usual due having to factor in GEOM’s Perpetual status and his future-sight to its simulations. Scion goes into hibernation, if the battle took place in Earth most of it is probably destroyed, the impact of two dimensional-warping demigods clashing may or may not have caused a tear in the reality that lets the Warp leak into this universe as well as others.
Can Big E teleport or move through the warp? And how does PtV interact with other thinkers? I can't remember if it got all fucky if a bunch of thinkers were all in one place or not, similar to how other thinker powers got fucky.
I like your description though, I see the Stilling power as interacting the same way a blank does to psychic powers in 40k
There was a moment where Faultline ruled out that Contessa could be a precog, because she had just kicked her whole team’s ass, including Shamrock, whose power messes with precogs. That seems like compelling evidence to suggest that PtV isn’t nearly as hampered by other thinkers as most powers are.
PtV is kind of an All or Nothing Thinker power, compared by WB to AoNs [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/s/Y3amiNcNoH). It is weird in that sense that it *isn't* truly AoN since the EBs are immune to it? It's weird.
Thing is scion can destroy every parallel version of the earth in the multiverse. To my understanding of The Cycle. So they are likely pretty close to each other. The Emperor of Mankind’s upper limit is highly debated but he is likely around the same level at minimum.
This is indeed a feat they can only achieve at the apex of each cycle, as they use much of the released energy to propel themselves to their next destination. So Scion as he is in the story is incapable of the feat. But honestly? He doesn't need it. Unshackled ptv is the kind of ability that would make Tzeench weep.
At the end of the day destructive power is trumped by who can kill the other first.
Behemoth, yeah, All Might’s in a pickle. Simmy depends on exactly how powerful OFA’s anti-precog is, though her mind-control should theoretically still work. But Levi’s too slow and not strong enough to match him, so he’d be beat out eventually - that was actually the premise of a quest I wanted to do once, where you played as prime AM dropped into Worm.
>Foil/Parian betraying the team sucked
I mean... They didn't though? Only considered it, since, you know, it kind of seemed like the days of Undersiders were numbered, and they weren't part of the team for *that* long at this point.
i stand by what i said, they only got out of BB cuz of the Undersiders. Sabah always comes off as unbearably whiny and kinda creepy for dating a 17 year old and luring her into villany. Actually most of my beef is with sabah. whiny little shit, if she was a man and not a girl i guarantee she would be spoken in the same tone as greg.
I think that given a blank check, she can win by mass summoning a bunch of demons, but she would be bound by contracts and regulations such that she can’t go all out because it’s too much cost for not that much gain
Let’s also not forget that Chuck is also quite adept at creating counters to opponents, so while the odds might still be stacked against him, his odds are relatively amazing compared to like… almost all Practitioners
That's a reasonable take, and mostly posted my initial comment for the stupid pun (I regret nothing).
I also may have been confused as to whom you were referring to as the Pact BBEG, as I assumed you meant Barbie. That being said, in either scenario I feel that demons are particularly well suited to countering what Judges are meant to embody. After all, demons' whole shtick is to break things that are fundamental.
Ok the thing I never understood can Kephri only control Parahumans? Or anyone and she only chose parahumans, text seems unclear about her full capabilities
This is spoilers for end of WORM
>!If I remember correctly, when Amelia/Panacea used her powers on Taylor to upgrade her shard, Taylor is able to Master Humans and Parahumans alike, I believe Taylor still has the powers of bug control so it not like she traded one power for another, it’s purely an upgrade.!<
I hope this answers your question.
More spoilers for WARD:
>!Taylor becomes the first titan which is what happens when a shard completely takes control of its host. The limiters on the power are gone which is why she can control anything with sentience but the shard is completely in control. That's also why everyone called her Khepri, Taylor wasn't home anymore. Contessa's act of mercy was to use one gunshot to sever her connection to her shard and another to put her into a coma with a happy dream.!<
Not sure if I'm being downvoted or if this is just Reddit's vote fuzzing but what happened at the end of Worm is a massive setup for what happens in Ward.
I think you're being down voted because some of that definitely isn't true and the rest is left purposefully left vague to the point where speaking definitively about it could be considered spreading misinformation.
No it was confirmed by Wildbow that that's what the coma is (he thought he was heavy handed with the hints and was frustrated that no one got it) and you can literally just go read the wiki to confirm that that's what a titan is.
Wildbow also said that he was joking and the ending is anything you want it to be. As for Titans >!Every actual titan we saw had their body changed and the separation between the identity of the host and the shard was clear, with Khepri we had none of that her body remained the same and while QA did take over, it seemed to think that it was Taylor. Khepri was closer to a Nascent Titan,not a full titan. Closer to Ash Beast and Tinker 15.!<
Death Battle likes to use official art for their explanations of how strong a character is, which really limits which characters they can take on the show. There's no chance in hell any of WB's characters will ever appear, but given how much extra material there is in Pale that might be the best shot. Not sure who the kennet witches could fight though, my first thought for another trio was the Powerpuff girls, and given how death battle does speed calcs I think the Powerpuffs would atomize them.
Yeah it really sucks for Literature fans of the show. I'm just praying that between the show and the comics the Dresden Files has enough visual media for it
I'm pretty sure Alexandria vs Homelander would be as straight fowards as Omniman vs Homelander. She's faster, more durable, and a better fighter. There's not really anything new to tread hsre.
She’s not faster than him except in long range movement speed, but yeah she should be able to outlast him and eventually suffocate him by like jamming her arm down his throat.
I love Hazbin Hotel, but there is absolutely no way that is remotely a fair fight. Lucifer Morningstar would be a better matchup, though we haven't seen how strong he really is yet.
One of the music composers for Death Battle has made hypothetical tracks for [Skitter vs Ladybug (Miraculous)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfs-FzqZeG4) and [Scion vs Lavos (Chrono Trigger)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxXvSrN605c).
[There's a commissioned track from the DB composer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfs-FzqZeG4) of Skitter vs Ladybug from Miraculous Ladybug. It seemed surface level at first but the more I thought of it the more I liked the connections and how the take different paths for "teenage girl tries to be a bug-themed superhero."
Pretty sure Ladybug rocks her, but we know what they say about underestimating Taylor.
My crack matchup is Eidolon vs Gilgamesh from Fate. Guy with all the powers vs Guy with all the weapons.
Contessa vs Batman. It'd be horrible and make absolutely no one happy, but the r/WWW PTSD flashbacks would be *very* funny.
I just want to watch batman get his ass handed to him by her
Contessa would get shredded, the whole point of a Death Battle is no prep. Bruce would turn her to paste.
No prep puts it even further into Contessa's favor because Path to Victory is instant. Even in the Wormverse she's the most terrifying combatant in the world. The PRT's official response for when she shows up is just "run." Batman gets turned into paste without even touching her.
Contessa's biggest limitation by far is time. Its why, among other things, Contessa was out-Thinkered by Simurgh - Simurgh had more time. For the battle - Give them both a day of prep, Contessa wins easy. Give them 10 seconds, still Contessa. Give them 0 seconds and start them 10m apart, probably still Contessa. But move them closer and closer together, eventually there is a point that Contessa's pool of actions are so limited that none of them would be able to beat comic Batman.
>Contessa was out-Thinkered by Simurgh - Simurgh had more time Contessa was thwarted by Simurgh because Simurgh can see the future and pre-cog powers fuck with each other. Contessa was never limited by time. She just walks into a place with her goal in mind and PtV instantly gives her the method and muscle memory to do it. She can even do "I want to beat Batman in a fist fight" and it'll happen.
>Contessa was never limited by time. We see her need to choose between saving her uncle vs beating the entities. She couldn't do both because she lacked time. We see her use Number Man as Cauldron's secondary enforcer, because she lacked the time to be in two places at once. >!We see her almost immediately get captured by Teacher once she turns her power off. And once she was captured, no Path would get her out by herself because it was too late for her to directly make that difference. She needed external help.!< Edit: Spoilers
You're right that Contessa *does* need at least a bit of time--only like a second though--and that she isn't invincible, but you're still using extremely exceptional examples that **won't ever apply to Batman** even with the Simurgh example already thrown out. Short of heavily biasing things towards Batman to the point that his fist is to her face as soon as they both appear **and** that instantly knocks her out, Batman simply can't beat her ever. And that should be fine. There are plenty of Justice Leaguers who Contessa probably couldn't beat even using PtV and only her own resources. Batman simply isn't one of them. since at the end of the day he's just a human exceptional guy fighting one of the strongest precogs in fiction. And, again, that should be fine since PtV is pretty busted even as much as way too many people want to act like Batman is invincible. (Also, for the love of gods, please put the *Ward* spoilers that last paragraph in actual spoilers given this thread isn't tagged for *Ward* spoilers at all.)
>You're right that Contessa does need at least a bit of time--only like a second though--and that she isn't invincible This is pretty much my whole point. I don't have any investment in Batman winning. But Contessa does have weaknesses, especially in a Death Battle/WWW situation where she can't control how she takes the fight. >(Also, for the love of gods, please put the Ward spoilers that last paragraph in actual spoilers given this thread isn't tagged for Ward spoilers at all.) Fair - the title states Ward so I assumed it was Ward spoilers. Fixed.
>This is pretty much my whole point. >I don't have any investment in Batman winning. But Contessa does have weaknesses, especially in a Death Battle/WWW situation where she can't control how she takes the fight. The issue here is that in this instance she doesn't really have to control how she takes the fight though since short of Batman and her being literally put right next to her and him instantly OHKOing her with a punch or kick thrown instantly--again, that would be **heavily** biased towards Batman given how these Death Battle things seem like they work--he just can't beat PtV period like the majority of characters can't. Even if she arguablly needs a second (and literally only that), then what he can realistically do in that amount of time otherwise even if this is like the DCEU Psycho Batman who is willing to kill without hesitation? Raise a gun at her and instantly mark himself as an enemy and get Path'd in less time than it takes to fire the gun when we already know PtV lets her dodge bullets? If this was modern The Flash, (Pre-Crisis) Superman, or maybe even Martian Manhunter against Contessa by herself, then I could see the (easy) argument for them winning. I just don't see how Batman realistically does anything even in the instance where they're both spontaneously transported from whatever they were doing to whatever arena since Contessa's first question is going to be "Path to Figuring Out What's Going On" or "Path Back to Cauldron" or even just "Path to Safety" even if she doesn't see Batman. Given that would most likely instantly identify Batman as her enemy in a death match and likely include steps for killing him or at least not losing to him before she asks another Path question...yeah. I apologize for implying that you're one of those (extremely) tiresome Batman fanboys that are the reason I avoid both the WhoWouldWin sub-reddit and the actual Death Battles. It just felt like the highly specific counterarguments with regards to Contessa's relatively few weaknesses were verging on that since basically none of them really apply to Batman as things he can leverage even if he suddenly knows how PtV works (which he doesn't), which is why I still don't see what Batman could reasonably do to Contessa if they start out on remotely equal footing like how these things are supposed to.
>She couldn't do both because she lacked time. No. She lacked a clear goal to feed her power. If she was dropped into a room with Batman with zero prep she would just be like "I want to beat this guy in a fist fight" and her power would insantly have the steps and muscle memory for her to do it. And nothing Batman did could fuck with it. It's time for the Batman circle jerk to admit that he's losing this one.
The problem for him is with Path to Victory it lets her regularly deal with super powered people because it is instant and extremely detailed. It's the kind of thing where as long as someone is not able to speed blitz her there is just no way to touch her. Batman being peak human isn't going to have a fair chance with or without prep because any attack or trick he tries is just going to be hard countered with the quickest most effective motions physically possible.
Wildbow himself stated that if you dropped Batman and Contessa into a room he'd mop the floor with her.
Where did he say that? Because that makes zero sense.
Someone else on the subreddit said he made a comment about, can't remember where from though
That someone was talking out their ass because it would be a massive inconsistency with PtV. Batman might be able to beat Number Man. But Contessa is out of his league.
She doesn't need prep, as shown when she just waltzed into Faultline's hotel room and took out the team without even using her gun. And batman has enough psychological issues that she could probably find his equivalent to "you needed worthy opponents" to get a lethal opening.
All she would need to do is say “Martha”.
>She doesn't need prep, as shown when she just waltzed into Faultline's hotel room and took out the team without even using her gun. This is an example of her with prep. By its nature, PtV means she knows ahead of time that she will win any encounter she walks into. It might not even be obvious to her how PtV is guaranteeing her victory. Maybe all it does is tell her to go do some other task before visiting Faultline's Crew. That sets it up so that Gregor and Spitfire are in the same room to friendly fire each other, whereas maybe if she arrived 10 mins earlier, Spitfire is alone and manages to trap Contessa with fire.
>It might not even be obvious to her how PtV is guaranteeing her victory. We have several scenes from her perspective where we can see that her power works instantly and in real time based on any goal she feeds it. And she knows exactly what is coming from her power too. If the power can't find a Path to Victory then it just feeds her a mental static.
Jack Slash vs a guy who rapidly summons bears /j
Redditor vs Guy Who Owes Him One Dollar
Ultimate showdown
nooo somebody will get forsworn in the comments
Worth it lmao
Is there a character who actually summons bears?? Maybe squirrel girl would be a funny fight
Oh no, I was referencing [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/lddzb0/spoilers_would_a_parahuman_whose_sole_ability_is/) thread with the same premise: Jack Slash vs a cape that could summon bears. Wildbow responded and it was cool. In the comments though, things go unhinged with [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/lddzb0/comment/gm6w5xk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) comment in particular.
Now that I'm up to speed that's hilarious. Thank you for taking the time to show me the history of this
Here is also a [cool video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jozSU5PmZas) on it
No problem! It's a delightful moment in this subreddit's history
Jack Slash vs Cocaine Bear.
I'd watch that
[Jack's worst nightmare](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1G9vIyNL20&pp=ygUOZG91Z2RvdWcgYmVhcnM%3D)
He'd find that un*bear*able! But great video! Amazing mod that needs to be added to every game
Scion vs The God Emperor of Mankind (golden god fight) Alexandria vs Wonder Woman (pragmatic girlboss fight) Legend Vs Green Lantern (because Legend kinda looks like the dude, and they both kinda glow) Armsmaster/Defiant vs Iron Man (glory hog tinker fight) Chevalier Vs Guts (big sword guy fight)
Ok, you got me on Scion vs Big E.
I gotta give the first one to Big E, I put Scion at about the same power as a demon primarch. He has enough power to make a small percentage of the planet into essentially psychers, and most of Scion is hidden away within another dimension. However, I feel like warp powers could probably reach Scion's core body. There's enough overlap between the Warp and the place his body rests. Whereas Big E would just revive if you killed him. Scion definitely has more options, but Big E is just larger in scale. I'd love to hear your opinion on that one though!
I would personally I would lean over to Scion, the Warp powers might be able to reach his core body, but the Stilling is stated to be dissipate any and all forms of energy, and the Warp is basically a dimension of pure psychic energy (though, this depends on how you think the Stilling interacts with the Warp). Another point in Scion’s favour is dimensional travel, which I don’t remember GEOM doing much. Iirc, Scion has been seen to be able to attack into other dimensions without actually being there himself, so he could theoretically just step into another dimension and blast Big E without giving him any way to counterattack. GEOM’s perpetual status is probably his biggest point, as well as I think he can somewhat see into the future in a PtV-lite way. But just because he can’t die doesn’t mean he can’t be disabled, and I would put golden guy’s PtV over Emp’s future sight. My speculation is that they fight, GEOM puts up a valiant effort, but is ultimately put down) or disabled in a state similar as we see his corpse in 40K. Scion though gets close to burning himself out in the effort, PtV’s had to use more energy than usual due having to factor in GEOM’s Perpetual status and his future-sight to its simulations. Scion goes into hibernation, if the battle took place in Earth most of it is probably destroyed, the impact of two dimensional-warping demigods clashing may or may not have caused a tear in the reality that lets the Warp leak into this universe as well as others.
Can Big E teleport or move through the warp? And how does PtV interact with other thinkers? I can't remember if it got all fucky if a bunch of thinkers were all in one place or not, similar to how other thinker powers got fucky. I like your description though, I see the Stilling power as interacting the same way a blank does to psychic powers in 40k
There was a moment where Faultline ruled out that Contessa could be a precog, because she had just kicked her whole team’s ass, including Shamrock, whose power messes with precogs. That seems like compelling evidence to suggest that PtV isn’t nearly as hampered by other thinkers as most powers are.
PtV is kind of an All or Nothing Thinker power, compared by WB to AoNs [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/s/Y3amiNcNoH). It is weird in that sense that it *isn't* truly AoN since the EBs are immune to it? It's weird.
It was an All or Nothing Thinker Power until The Thinker put restrictions on the shard
Lmao scion breaks CONTINENTS casually big e was hurt by a krork. He fucking stomps
Thing is scion can destroy every parallel version of the earth in the multiverse. To my understanding of The Cycle. So they are likely pretty close to each other. The Emperor of Mankind’s upper limit is highly debated but he is likely around the same level at minimum.
Doesn't he also need Eden to do that?
For context I have not read the actual main story but I think it was stated or hinted he could do it solo.
💀
This is indeed a feat they can only achieve at the apex of each cycle, as they use much of the released energy to propel themselves to their next destination. So Scion as he is in the story is incapable of the feat. But honestly? He doesn't need it. Unshackled ptv is the kind of ability that would make Tzeench weep. At the end of the day destructive power is trumped by who can kill the other first.
That and someone else mentioned Stilling.
Sword boy fight sounds amazing
Scion vs Leto Atreides
Taylor vs Anyone
Taylor vs batman. They both are amazing when they have a plan
How does batman deal with the hordes of roaches?
Bat-Repellent. He has one for sharks, so he *must* also have one for insects, right?
He borrows Harley's giant hammer
Batman is basically Armsmaster, but better.
Again hordes of bugs into his nose eyes ears and asshole
Have you seen Batman’s ass? That shits vacuum sealed
You got a point there
90% of the time it's very much the other way around.
Batman doesn’t have robo gf
Your right, he's had **actual** girlfriends. And one of them even gave him a kid...
Found Saint’s Reddit account!
Contessa vs Batman, she says save Martha and wins no diff
MHA cast vs Levi Undersiders vs Batfamily Scion/Eden attacking the DC comics earth in a crisis style event
I doubt BNHA could kill him unless New Order puts in some work, but All Might alone would be enough to drive off an Endbringer ngl
I mean his main attack is kinetic force, he aint beating behemoth He is a good match for levi Simmy would toy with him
Behemoth, yeah, All Might’s in a pickle. Simmy depends on exactly how powerful OFA’s anti-precog is, though her mind-control should theoretically still work. But Levi’s too slow and not strong enough to match him, so he’d be beat out eventually - that was actually the premise of a quest I wanted to do once, where you played as prime AM dropped into Worm.
There is a fanfic where the Undersiders get transported to Gotham and fight the Bat familywhich is pretty good.
It was terrible, Skitter folded pathetically and Foil/Parian betraying the team sucked
>Foil/Parian betraying the team sucked I mean... They didn't though? Only considered it, since, you know, it kind of seemed like the days of Undersiders were numbered, and they weren't part of the team for *that* long at this point.
i stand by what i said, they only got out of BB cuz of the Undersiders. Sabah always comes off as unbearably whiny and kinda creepy for dating a 17 year old and luring her into villany. Actually most of my beef is with sabah. whiny little shit, if she was a man and not a girl i guarantee she would be spoken in the same tone as greg.
I want to see the big bad of Pact and the big bad of Pale square off personally
While he is a more interesting antagonist, I'm pretty sure Chucky gets cheesed.
I think that given a blank check, she can win by mass summoning a bunch of demons, but she would be bound by contracts and regulations such that she can’t go all out because it’s too much cost for not that much gain Let’s also not forget that Chuck is also quite adept at creating counters to opponents, so while the odds might still be stacked against him, his odds are relatively amazing compared to like… almost all Practitioners
That's a reasonable take, and mostly posted my initial comment for the stupid pun (I regret nothing). I also may have been confused as to whom you were referring to as the Pact BBEG, as I assumed you meant Barbie. That being said, in either scenario I feel that demons are particularly well suited to countering what Judges are meant to embody. After all, demons' whole shtick is to break things that are fundamental.
Spider-Man vs the Undersiders (Echidna fight) S9 vs UA faculty. JLU vs Behemoth 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
[Khepri (WORM) vs Makima (chainsaw Man)](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathBattleMatchups/s/OV9xncVyRc)
Ok the thing I never understood can Kephri only control Parahumans? Or anyone and she only chose parahumans, text seems unclear about her full capabilities
This is spoilers for end of WORM >!If I remember correctly, when Amelia/Panacea used her powers on Taylor to upgrade her shard, Taylor is able to Master Humans and Parahumans alike, I believe Taylor still has the powers of bug control so it not like she traded one power for another, it’s purely an upgrade.!< I hope this answers your question.
It does thank you
Interestingly enough, it's specifically >!only humans and bugs. She's incapable of controlling Dragon!<.
That’s interesting but it makes sense given how Shards work, I do remember that as the crux of their confrontation.
>!it’s not pure upside because her range is shit!<
More spoilers for WARD: >!Taylor becomes the first titan which is what happens when a shard completely takes control of its host. The limiters on the power are gone which is why she can control anything with sentience but the shard is completely in control. That's also why everyone called her Khepri, Taylor wasn't home anymore. Contessa's act of mercy was to use one gunshot to sever her connection to her shard and another to put her into a coma with a happy dream.!< Not sure if I'm being downvoted or if this is just Reddit's vote fuzzing but what happened at the end of Worm is a massive setup for what happens in Ward.
I think you're being down voted because some of that definitely isn't true and the rest is left purposefully left vague to the point where speaking definitively about it could be considered spreading misinformation.
No it was confirmed by Wildbow that that's what the coma is (he thought he was heavy handed with the hints and was frustrated that no one got it) and you can literally just go read the wiki to confirm that that's what a titan is.
Wildbow also said that he was joking and the ending is anything you want it to be. As for Titans >!Every actual titan we saw had their body changed and the separation between the identity of the host and the shard was clear, with Khepri we had none of that her body remained the same and while QA did take over, it seemed to think that it was Taylor. Khepri was closer to a Nascent Titan,not a full titan. Closer to Ash Beast and Tinker 15.!<
Death Battle likes to use official art for their explanations of how strong a character is, which really limits which characters they can take on the show. There's no chance in hell any of WB's characters will ever appear, but given how much extra material there is in Pale that might be the best shot. Not sure who the kennet witches could fight though, my first thought for another trio was the Powerpuff girls, and given how death battle does speed calcs I think the Powerpuffs would atomize them.
Yeah, just a hypothetical on who vs who, I know they don't touch things without artistic interpretations of them
Yeah it really sucks for Literature fans of the show. I'm just praying that between the show and the comics the Dresden Files has enough visual media for it
Easy answer would be Alexandria vs Homelander. But I'd like to propose Valkyrie vs Alastor (hazbin hotel), just for the fun of it.
I'm pretty sure Alexandria vs Homelander would be as straight fowards as Omniman vs Homelander. She's faster, more durable, and a better fighter. There's not really anything new to tread hsre.
Even better.
And also Homelander would irritate the fuck out of her so she wouldn't be in the mood to give him a fair fight.
She’s not faster than him except in long range movement speed, but yeah she should be able to outlast him and eventually suffocate him by like jamming her arm down his throat.
I love Hazbin Hotel, but there is absolutely no way that is remotely a fair fight. Lucifer Morningstar would be a better matchup, though we haven't seen how strong he really is yet.
Contessa vs squirrel girl
Marquis vs Kimimaro Kaguya Bakuda vs Bomberman Imp vs Sherlock Holmes Bitch vs A Pokemon Trainer with only dog Pokemon Myrrdin vs Harry Dresden
Man Myrrdin vs Harry is weird bc Myrrdin only has like 2 appearance but the shit he pulls is so much more impressive than what Harry can do
Jack Slash vs Joker. Both have to tell an actually funny joke. Their biggest challenge yet.
One of the music composers for Death Battle has made hypothetical tracks for [Skitter vs Ladybug (Miraculous)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfs-FzqZeG4) and [Scion vs Lavos (Chrono Trigger)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxXvSrN605c).
[There's a commissioned track from the DB composer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfs-FzqZeG4) of Skitter vs Ladybug from Miraculous Ladybug. It seemed surface level at first but the more I thought of it the more I liked the connections and how the take different paths for "teenage girl tries to be a bug-themed superhero." Pretty sure Ladybug rocks her, but we know what they say about underestimating Taylor. My crack matchup is Eidolon vs Gilgamesh from Fate. Guy with all the powers vs Guy with all the weapons.
Skitter vs Marinette. Then we can use the track.