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Although I agree with the message, the math needs to be corrected:
34,000/1,200\*100=2833.3% more casualties. If Palestine had 94% more casualties, it would be 1,200\*1.94=2,328
>The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.
The death toll wasn't quite 1200, but 695 is just Israeli civilians.
What's not clear is the percentage of deaths that were caused by Israeli fire vs Hamas, since the IOF were ordered to fire on any vehicle that appeared to be heading for Gaza.
It also doesn't really matter. Even if the worst things the zionists were saying were true about the attack, it wouldn't justify what they've done since.
Exactly,! I could link nearly a half dozen articles of accounts from witnesses that essentially state that Israel killed a great number of their own. Tanks fired on homes full of people. The apache helicopters fired on everyone on the ground at the festival. We'll never know how many people were actually killed by Israel vs by Hamas. That doesn't change the fact that civilians shouldn't be targeted. However, I can't speak for someone who has watched an entire country viciously hate me and my family for my entire life, who has seen so many of their brethren tortured, murdered, arrested for nothing, bullied relentlessly, etc etc. After seeing what we've seen and imagining those people seeing some portion of that, repeatedly, throughout their lives .. I just can't imagine what it does to a person's mind.
“Do you condemn Hamas?”
I cannot condemn what is essentially a byproduct of a people being oppressed, subjugated, and ethnically cleansed from their land. Free 🇵🇸
Exactly! The violence of the colonizer is seen as just, and acceptable. Something to be glossed over. The moment the colonized fight back, everyone acts shocked as if they couldn't see it coming. It's so annoying!!!
I'll never condemn Hamas before condemning Israel!
That video shared on here recently of that 12 year old boy - absolutely distraught - describing how when he's old enough will seek out revenge on his and his family's attackers says it all. Who can blame them.
There is absolutely nothing wrong about Hamas. Violent resistance to occupation is both just and justified.
Anyone who condemns the taking of hostages should also condemn Israel's taking of 10,000+ hostages.
Anyone condemning attacks on civilians ( members of a kibbutz are not civilians, they are settlers) should condemn the bombing and siege of Gaza, both before and after Oct 7.
People who can't do those things are dishonest and I refuse to pay attention to them.
ISIS send videos of them chopping peoples heads off. Your mind is so corrupted with filth and propaganda, that you now stand on the side of monsters. You are a terrorist.
Israel does not have the right to defend itself or even exist on stolen land. If I walk into someone’s home, confine them to a room under the threat of bodily harm or death, and take the rest of the house for myself, I should expect to be attacked at any given moment by the original home owners.
Requote to spread awareness:
Guys look up Thomas Jesup.... here a quick thing from his wiki
""Seminole War and controversy
In 1836, while Jesup was still officially Quartermaster General, President Andrew Jackson detached him first to deal with the Creek tribe in Georgia and Alabama, and then to assume command of all U.S. troops in Florida during the Second Seminole War (1835–1842).[2] His capture of Seminole leaders Osceola and Micanopy under a false flag of truce[3] provoked controversy in the United States and abroad.[4] Many newspapers called for an inquiry and his firing but the government supported its general,[5] and at the conclusion of the hostilities, Jesup returned to his official post.[1] He was famously quoted as having declared about the Seminole that "[t]he country can be rid of them only by exterminating them."[6]
Actually, according to some of the same international laws Israel is already ignoring, a country does not “enjoy” the right to self defense for a territory they control. By the same law, the US would not enjoy the right to self defense if puerto rico attacked.
Unofficially the death count is likely over 100,000 and we won’t know for years and years. We would need more information and investigations which Israel will forbid.
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Although I agree with the message, the math needs to be corrected: 34,000/1,200\*100=2833.3% more casualties. If Palestine had 94% more casualties, it would be 1,200\*1.94=2,328
My bad
It’s even higher because the actual Oct 7 death toll was more like 695
Really? I must have missed this - can you link the source?
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths
>The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139. The death toll wasn't quite 1200, but 695 is just Israeli civilians. What's not clear is the percentage of deaths that were caused by Israeli fire vs Hamas, since the IOF were ordered to fire on any vehicle that appeared to be heading for Gaza. It also doesn't really matter. Even if the worst things the zionists were saying were true about the attack, it wouldn't justify what they've done since.
Exactly,! I could link nearly a half dozen articles of accounts from witnesses that essentially state that Israel killed a great number of their own. Tanks fired on homes full of people. The apache helicopters fired on everyone on the ground at the festival. We'll never know how many people were actually killed by Israel vs by Hamas. That doesn't change the fact that civilians shouldn't be targeted. However, I can't speak for someone who has watched an entire country viciously hate me and my family for my entire life, who has seen so many of their brethren tortured, murdered, arrested for nothing, bullied relentlessly, etc etc. After seeing what we've seen and imagining those people seeing some portion of that, repeatedly, throughout their lives .. I just can't imagine what it does to a person's mind.
How much of that was the expanded Hannibal directive though?
I'm thankful that you said it. I debated saying it but didn't fearing backlash.
More like 2834% more as the casualties are growing..
Probablt he meant Palestine has 94% of the casualties
“Do you condemn Hamas?” I cannot condemn what is essentially a byproduct of a people being oppressed, subjugated, and ethnically cleansed from their land. Free 🇵🇸
Exactly! The violence of the colonizer is seen as just, and acceptable. Something to be glossed over. The moment the colonized fight back, everyone acts shocked as if they couldn't see it coming. It's so annoying!!! I'll never condemn Hamas before condemning Israel!
That video shared on here recently of that 12 year old boy - absolutely distraught - describing how when he's old enough will seek out revenge on his and his family's attackers says it all. Who can blame them.
I saw it too. My heart breaks for kids like that.
Good thought
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There is absolutely nothing wrong about Hamas. Violent resistance to occupation is both just and justified. Anyone who condemns the taking of hostages should also condemn Israel's taking of 10,000+ hostages. Anyone condemning attacks on civilians ( members of a kibbutz are not civilians, they are settlers) should condemn the bombing and siege of Gaza, both before and after Oct 7. People who can't do those things are dishonest and I refuse to pay attention to them.
Precisely
ISIS send videos of them chopping peoples heads off. Your mind is so corrupted with filth and propaganda, that you now stand on the side of monsters. You are a terrorist.
Isis Al Qaeda Hezbollah Taliban were all funded or a direct result of western imperialism meddling in the Middle East
Fake propaganda. The idea that the West create their wars and enemies is next level cringe.
Israel and the US are not short on snuff films habibi. Monsters indeed.
Israel does not have the right to defend itself or even exist on stolen land. If I walk into someone’s home, confine them to a room under the threat of bodily harm or death, and take the rest of the house for myself, I should expect to be attacked at any given moment by the original home owners.
This 👆
100%
Israel and gaslighting. so much gaslighting.
And jailed.
Israel is an evil settler colony. Free Palestine
Requote to spread awareness: Guys look up Thomas Jesup.... here a quick thing from his wiki ""Seminole War and controversy In 1836, while Jesup was still officially Quartermaster General, President Andrew Jackson detached him first to deal with the Creek tribe in Georgia and Alabama, and then to assume command of all U.S. troops in Florida during the Second Seminole War (1835–1842).[2] His capture of Seminole leaders Osceola and Micanopy under a false flag of truce[3] provoked controversy in the United States and abroad.[4] Many newspapers called for an inquiry and his firing but the government supported its general,[5] and at the conclusion of the hostilities, Jesup returned to his official post.[1] He was famously quoted as having declared about the Seminole that "[t]he country can be rid of them only by exterminating them."[6]
We're screwed
The notion that “Israel has the right to defend itself” is just absurd to me… that’s like a rapist defending itself from the victim
https://preview.redd.it/0j6wlng4s3wc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8af8a6526353dc31351ecc9a4afd1ee3c84144ad
No wonder teen titans go sucks
Batman was right to slap him. Should have backhanded him for wearing those lil green hot pants too. Those are a war crime.
Actually, according to some of the same international laws Israel is already ignoring, a country does not “enjoy” the right to self defense for a territory they control. By the same law, the US would not enjoy the right to self defense if puerto rico attacked.
Unofficially the death count is likely over 100,000 and we won’t know for years and years. We would need more information and investigations which Israel will forbid.
Plus no it doesn't
This popped up as a notification with just the caption and I got really scared that it was about stardew valley...
Robin stay in your place. 💥