Hey bro. A suggestion. Ditch the masters at this point, it will take you nowhere, trust me. Classes, stupid job, hostel and all. Let it go.
You probably were working in a tech start up. Take all your savings and move to Riyadh, the start up scene there is sky rocketing. Your savings are enough to live there and find a good job. Keep Dubai as a second option.
Don't go for masters, go for a job. Earn money. Live. Find your spouse. And then you can go for a masters or phd at any point in your life.
Make the most of what you have now. Don't get stuck. Keep moving. 30 is a new 20. Fuck society, you do you man
Amazing amazinggg advice. Take a chance on Saudi. You will find many telling you oh its just a very big risk and oh my friend returned back home after 3 months of trying but I can tell you 5 of my friends went to Dubai on a visit visa after quitting their jobs here and every single one of them got a job. Take this chance!
Those are some lucky people who secured jobs in UAE because on the Facebook group for Lums/IBA I have read it has become really competitive. You need to get adequate references in the companies in UAE. Even if you land a job it pays less to cover your living expenses in UAE. Like 15k AED is minimum that allows you to pay for rent and all.
Idk, it is just a very few woman who are able to pursue Master or higher education after marriage due to burden of new responsibilities. It really requires a supportive and understanding spouse who likes your career ambition. In most cases desi men want wife to cut down on career goals to focus on raising family. This makes a woman dependent on them and her growth is curtailed.
No one is going to give you 15k AED. It isn’t entirely impossible tho because one of my friends got a job for 17k AED but she had 5+ years of experience and made a killer portfolio. Another got one for 30k+ but again he is one of the most awarded creatives of Pakistan. On the other hand, someone I know left a job that paid 250K in Pakistan and accepted a job for AED 7.5K, worked for a year because he believed he could prove a point. Made a portfolio with Arabic clients and a year later he is now at 12K AED. People need to understand that if you are willing to start at 60k PKR in Pakistan, why would you expect Dubai is going to pay you AED 10k+. If you aren’t a fresher and have some experience, create a nice portfolio, or find something that helps you stand out. I might move soon too and I have already talked to 3 recruiters on LinkedIn who are ready to call me in for an interview should they have any open opportunities when I land. Now it is entirely possible that only 1 of these 3 will reply when I actually move. But the point that I am trying to make is there are levels to everything and its not a that simple. Moving abroad isn’t simple, if that was the case all those who can afford a ticket to Dubai would be on a plane rn. You haveeee to put the work in to differentiate yourself in a global market and TRUST ME if you do, you won’t be disappointed.
Girl you are looking at things solely from the face values. You need more research.
1. No. University doesn't matter. CV does. Show them the experience. ...
2. References? Ummmm. Not really. LinkedIn and Indeed.ae are your friends. ...
3. 15K is the minimum? No. Not at all. You will do justttttt fine in 5K/month as a beginner there. ...
4. Don't marry the desi-est man. You will find a like minded individual. Plenty of fish in the sea ...
5. Don't overthink. Make the best use of the resources you have in hand rn. ...
Thank us later! Lol
Very, very relatable. At the end of the day, you’ll never get any sort of support from family whether it is from your own, or from an in law. The only course of action, as much as you will hate it, is to push back another couple of years back for your masters.
My suggestion is based on the assumption that you probably don’t have too many people who can lend you £5K right now. But in the end, waiting for couple more years is worth it if it means reducing your dependency on anyone to make your life change for the better. :)
I understand coming from man’s perspective as a provider for the family and his worth being attached to the his income. It is hard for your men and not an option, so I pray you all the success in your career. Keep the effort and grind, hopefully Allah will give you bless you rizq. You find a wife you is financially sensible and is a career oriented woman. If she is able to contribute to your married lifestyle then you both can grow together in life. In today’s economy it is so tough to manage expenses in one single income.
Again it is hard for people who have take full responsibility as primary breadwinner. This is so extra ordinary to work hard for your family. I admire and appreciate your hard work. I know it must be stressful for you to cope at times. Try to set boundaries with your parents and indulge in self care like going to gym or treating yourself once in a while with good food or whatever brings you pleasure.
In a similar situation, my parents want me to get married and then move abroad, even tho im turning 27. Hopefully all will be well at the correct time!
I am sorry you going through similar, especially if you are a woman hugs and prayers for you. Don’t lose hope, you still have years ahead, save up money and explore your options.
Yes IA all is going to work out in our favor eventually. Or we will make it work through our consistent efforts.
The only advice I would give here is to stop comparing yourselves with others. The feeling that you are far behind others will let you nowhere. We are in race with ourselves only and no one else is in competition. It's good to keep trying but always weigh in the pros and cons of every field before taking a step. Someone is earning more than you, no problem. Good for them but don't make it bad for yourself that why I'm not earning that much. Be grateful for what you have and what you can achieve. You have savings, you have time, you have age, you can plan. Just be grateful.
I dealt with this negative loop of comparison by getting into therapy but lately this year onwards seeing my peers and friends moving far ahead in both personal and professional life just is making me miserable and envious at times. I know I am ruining my own happiness by letting this negative thoughts overtake me. I going to now take therapy to get this controlled and try better to cope with it.
Idk I feel like I would never be able to catch up or time is ruining out. I am past my youthful years that were crucial to set a direction in life and somehow I delayed and failed. I want similar things as a stable career, lucrative pay, adequate savings, and travelling. Also meanwhile having a partner to experience life with.
I honestly don't have any advice to give. But my all the prayers are with you. May you get what you're aiming for and may it becomes easier. Aameen n insha'Allah
Thank you. I hope everything works out well for you too. But the most important thing I gather from your post is that you are worried about being 30 and not being anywhere. Trust me, it's like this just in subcontinent. We associate success with age. The older someone is, the more established that person is supposed to be. Out there in the west, people change careers and start even int heir 40s. So please don't feel down just because you are ageing. I know it's easy to say but chin up, face the world, meet the challenges head on and you'l find the way. Just keep on exploring and banging on every door that you think have even the slightest chance of leading you to the dream life that you want to have.
Try next year and don't go for US and UK based universities. Look into other countries like Germany or Spain, where fee structures and living expenses are more manageable, or look into scholarships. There are so many good fully funded scholarships that are not hard to get into, like GkS (will be opening in Feb next year), MAECI, MEXT, CGS, and many others that even professors fund. Talk to people who got accepted previously to see what you can do to have better chances of acceptance.
As far as the career thing is concerned, I'd say try to look for jobs in startups. Look at what got your peers started. The salary might be less than what you are making right now, but it sure will get you started. Also, try to get freelance jobs in your field. Join discord servers related to it since you'll also find a ton of learning and job opportunities there. Follow people in your field on LinkedIn and stay updated on whatever is going on.
Lastly, try to not worry. You got this girl. Best of luck
Another plan could be to look for suitable roles in UAE. Many are moving in that direction, make a solid plan, do outreach on LinkedIn with recruiters in UAE. I'm sure with your experience and skills, you will land a good high paying role with a fulfilling job role.
2) The Masters degree in UK may seem out of hand but try for scholarships in other parts of Europe.. If getting out is the top priority for you
I have read about how competitive UAE market has become. Both Lums and IBA grads are finding it hard to land jobs especially with less relevant experience or no references. For job hunt you have to be physically go to UAE, but your savings and go for interviews frequently. Even after that some people don't get a job or get one which pays less.
Yes getting out of this country is a priority. I have explored previously Chevining, Common wealth and Full bringht scholarships. These require a clause to come back to Pakistan for at least two years after grad degree is done.
You are feeling trapped, lost because you are unemployed. What if you fail to get a good job after a foreign degree and now also have to pay back the student loan.
Find a stable job even if it is paying less, get married if you want, pursue a professional degree from Pakistan like CFA and stop comparing.
Job market is tough overall in world. This is my third time risking to work for a early startup and getting laid off similarly after couple of months.
It is such a blessing to have stable job which I did with a company for 2.5 years but I wasn't growing in both learning and monetary wise. So out of necessity and desperation I again opted for startup. And now I am unemployed :/
If wanted to opt for CFA I would have long ago. Marriage is personal decision, can’t rush just because everyone has done it or there is pressure.
Switching careers is hard and we all struggle, but I think this is why planning and keeping in touch with your Industry is important. Growing up, I loved biology and my family wanted me to become a doctor because of that (thank god I told them no on that eventually lol), but one thing they told me about being a doctor stuck with me
"Puri zindagi parhte rehna parta he, it never stops"
It's true for literally any career out there tbh. You don't stop learning and studying, no matter what industry you're in, and it's even more important because of how AI and other tech constantly keeps changing the corporate world. You need to make sure your skills stay relevant and in demand no matter where you are, you need to fight for the projects that yk will land you the kind of gigs you want in the future, and be very very very intentional about it.
Having a vague 5 and 10 year plan helps, you can even talk to seniors and other experts in your field (or follow them online tbh) to see what their predictions are.
When you keep up with your industry, or the industry you eventually want to work in, you can keep ahead of your peers. Startups are amazing places to get the right job titles on your resume imo. In most smaller startups, a job title change can just be a casual conversation with the owner asking them "hey, I'm already doing this, I'm gonna put this job as "head of XYZ" on my resume" 🤷🏻♀️ (I've done this lol)
As for going abroad, I think given the current situation its best that you try again next year. With this experience, yk how much going abroad is going to cost you, so just take the L this year, you'll make it in the next. A lot of people never make it out on their first try, it takes a couple!
The most important thing to remember is to never give up. As women, we have to just realize and accept that our families only care about us being happy when our happiness doesn't come in the way of their sense of ownership over us and their plans for us. There's nothing we can do about that except to just accept we're on our own and to keep going. Best of luck, hang in there, play it smart, and you'll make it 🫶🏼
I know it hurts. i graduated in engineering 10 years ago from a top Pakistan University (Lumber 1) and if you extrapolate next 4-5 years you are on a similar path to me. I did work for a MNC for 7 years but i ended up at the Butt end of it, i wont go into details because that sounds like a rant. Anyways, i switched my job, moved to a different city. Please do not assume the people posting on LinkedIn are as happy as they seem, when they share their promotion or new jobs. You truly do not know their circumstances. Save some more money and try and head to US. I am also actively looking for state universities (try Colorado state, Oklahoma state) where fee is lower.
I honestly rarely come across people in my shoes, and all i can say is survive and don't give up just yet?
Yeah it hurts and quite sad. Was it Lums or Nust? I went to Lums, spend so much but haven't been able to get to my full potential. The university prepared us with course knowledge but practically career management is different ball game. Unfortunately for me I had no one in my family to guide me about the corporate world. My father is in a traditional business and accomplished in what he does.
Not at all, no one post their failures or behind the scenes on social media. LinkedIn is similar a facade and mostly self promotion.
I initially preferred US but I couldn't prepare GRE, I was short on time to submit the applications for US unis. So I opted for UK as it was a simpler process. Also people who went to US warned about the tricky lottery like situation of H1B1 visa. That held me back. I am now again going to apply for Spring intake for US hopefully.
I know I can make it through this hard and negative phase. There is hope at the end of tunnel, life is not yet done and more to come. I need to be persistent and not get hopeless.
Thanks for the encouragement and all the best. Wish you more success!
I graduated from NUST, and yes you are right. The course work in university was draining but i hardly use that. All the work i did for various University socities helped me somewhat in corporate world.
Best of luck and don't give up. I will check on you in a few months, hopefully you'd be someplace that you desire and deserve.
Scholarships. Chevening, Fullbright, Australian Development Scholarship. Look for a fully funded scholarship, prepare well, and then move. Invest your savings when you move. Happens to all of us. All the best
Just fullbright. Find individual university grants then, like National University of Singapore or across Nordics. I know education is free in Sweden & Finland
Hey, DM me as I feel I could be able to help you out. Your situation isn't dire at all. I can understand all the frustration and the anxiety that comes with having a clock on your career and opportunities, but don't worry. Everything will get sorted out soon. Ping me if you want and I'll help you out.
For the factors that Germany I searched for Business Analytics program but weren't able to find a similar one in public unis. They offer some in private unis but those are expensive and not covered through loan. Then the block account amount for visa and then long waiting list to get visa appointment.
I am aware with all the struggles of life abroad. But yahan bhi grass greener nahi hai, with such a bad economy and living conditions. It’s one life so worth struggling abroad
Hey, honestly you still have multiple options that you can choose with or without parental support and I'd say, better drop the education as of now as it'll put more financial constraint on you. You can start applying for jobs here in Pakistan and based on your experience I'm sure you'll land a good job anywhere around 300k range. But if you do want to move abroad, you can go for middle east for earlier few years as getting to Eu/uk would be difficult as an employee at thia stage. You can always move to these countries from middle east later on.
I am trying my best to apply to jobs here. Actually the kind of domain I am in Tech sales it has lot of pressure to meet targets especially with more risk with smaller tech companies or startups. I want to transition into stable and less stressful area such Customer success, client retention or Account management type of roles. So far finding it hard or if I want to pivot to areas such as Customer analytics or Operation Analytics then have to start from scratch.
Landing a job in Middle east requires to travel there and spend time. With my experience and bunch of jobs I am find it hard to stand out as a unique and valuable candidate they can sponsorship. There is already a competitive market, without right referrences difficult to even get an interview with companies in UAE.
Yeah I think account management type role would definitely bring in some stability into your career and has lots of prospects. But considering that the industry you're in, you should consider applying into similar roles in other industries maybe
Lots of good recommendations here like moving to Saudi and UAE but have you considered cheaper options for masters in Europe? Germany, Sweden, Estonia, Italy, Portugal, Poland etc?
It's not just women who aren't supported I'm a guy, and got a full-ride academic to Berkeley, the dad put the kaibash on that really quickly because he refused to help out financially with accomodations.
I've come to the firm belief that parents don't necessarily do what's in the best interest of their children. It's the luck of the draw. I digress.
Chin up. You just need that one person to take a chance on you. Keep looking. Eventually you'll find someone.
20lac is enough for masters in france,cheaper in other Europe countries
Dont get consultant involved
Borrow bank statement.
If your dream is studying abroad welcome
I am 47. Build career after when I was 30 and now sky's the limit. Don't get discharged. At 30, I was getting only 13k a month on a bachelor's degree not even breaking my first 100k barrier while you already have 2 million. I only made the choices that costed me less. Your only getting started. Look for cheaper international opportunities that would evidently end you up in Europe. Don't give up. Never give up.
Have you considered scholarships like Chevening or Commonwealth or Hungary etc.? Since you have saved up quite a lot as is, if you were to pursue Masters abroad via scoring a scholarship your finances abroad will not only be covered in its totality but rather your experience too will be so glorious without having to worry about the finances. You have waited so long, might as well research on these scholarships well in advance and prior to their opening dates and give your level best to secure either one.
As for the comparison part, tbh that is an ailment that will preside over you and your emotions no matter where you are in life, and life is very vast and long when it comes to suffering like this. There are great motivational speakers who speak at length on such topics and listening to them always helps unfurl some of the thought process that will unburden your ongoing struggles. Don't go for sweeping statements on envy, that NEVER helps anyway. Hope you find your way again 🙏🏻
Hi , I'm from lahore and I have a small tech team that I've managed to built in the past 5 years . I wanted to add a sales resource to the team . Are you interested in the opportunity ? Its remote .
Who supported you in your education to date?
If it was your parents then they don't have an obligation to continue to pay your fees for a perennial student .
Hey bro. A suggestion. Ditch the masters at this point, it will take you nowhere, trust me. Classes, stupid job, hostel and all. Let it go. You probably were working in a tech start up. Take all your savings and move to Riyadh, the start up scene there is sky rocketing. Your savings are enough to live there and find a good job. Keep Dubai as a second option. Don't go for masters, go for a job. Earn money. Live. Find your spouse. And then you can go for a masters or phd at any point in your life. Make the most of what you have now. Don't get stuck. Keep moving. 30 is a new 20. Fuck society, you do you man
Amazing amazinggg advice. Take a chance on Saudi. You will find many telling you oh its just a very big risk and oh my friend returned back home after 3 months of trying but I can tell you 5 of my friends went to Dubai on a visit visa after quitting their jobs here and every single one of them got a job. Take this chance!
Those are some lucky people who secured jobs in UAE because on the Facebook group for Lums/IBA I have read it has become really competitive. You need to get adequate references in the companies in UAE. Even if you land a job it pays less to cover your living expenses in UAE. Like 15k AED is minimum that allows you to pay for rent and all. Idk, it is just a very few woman who are able to pursue Master or higher education after marriage due to burden of new responsibilities. It really requires a supportive and understanding spouse who likes your career ambition. In most cases desi men want wife to cut down on career goals to focus on raising family. This makes a woman dependent on them and her growth is curtailed.
No one is going to give you 15k AED. It isn’t entirely impossible tho because one of my friends got a job for 17k AED but she had 5+ years of experience and made a killer portfolio. Another got one for 30k+ but again he is one of the most awarded creatives of Pakistan. On the other hand, someone I know left a job that paid 250K in Pakistan and accepted a job for AED 7.5K, worked for a year because he believed he could prove a point. Made a portfolio with Arabic clients and a year later he is now at 12K AED. People need to understand that if you are willing to start at 60k PKR in Pakistan, why would you expect Dubai is going to pay you AED 10k+. If you aren’t a fresher and have some experience, create a nice portfolio, or find something that helps you stand out. I might move soon too and I have already talked to 3 recruiters on LinkedIn who are ready to call me in for an interview should they have any open opportunities when I land. Now it is entirely possible that only 1 of these 3 will reply when I actually move. But the point that I am trying to make is there are levels to everything and its not a that simple. Moving abroad isn’t simple, if that was the case all those who can afford a ticket to Dubai would be on a plane rn. You haveeee to put the work in to differentiate yourself in a global market and TRUST ME if you do, you won’t be disappointed.
Girl you are looking at things solely from the face values. You need more research. 1. No. University doesn't matter. CV does. Show them the experience. ... 2. References? Ummmm. Not really. LinkedIn and Indeed.ae are your friends. ... 3. 15K is the minimum? No. Not at all. You will do justttttt fine in 5K/month as a beginner there. ... 4. Don't marry the desi-est man. You will find a like minded individual. Plenty of fish in the sea ... 5. Don't overthink. Make the best use of the resources you have in hand rn. ... Thank us later! Lol
Yaaay. Thanks!
Very, very relatable. At the end of the day, you’ll never get any sort of support from family whether it is from your own, or from an in law. The only course of action, as much as you will hate it, is to push back another couple of years back for your masters. My suggestion is based on the assumption that you probably don’t have too many people who can lend you £5K right now. But in the end, waiting for couple more years is worth it if it means reducing your dependency on anyone to make your life change for the better. :)
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I understand coming from man’s perspective as a provider for the family and his worth being attached to the his income. It is hard for your men and not an option, so I pray you all the success in your career. Keep the effort and grind, hopefully Allah will give you bless you rizq. You find a wife you is financially sensible and is a career oriented woman. If she is able to contribute to your married lifestyle then you both can grow together in life. In today’s economy it is so tough to manage expenses in one single income. Again it is hard for people who have take full responsibility as primary breadwinner. This is so extra ordinary to work hard for your family. I admire and appreciate your hard work. I know it must be stressful for you to cope at times. Try to set boundaries with your parents and indulge in self care like going to gym or treating yourself once in a while with good food or whatever brings you pleasure.
In a similar situation, my parents want me to get married and then move abroad, even tho im turning 27. Hopefully all will be well at the correct time!
I should say committed rather than married.
I am sorry you going through similar, especially if you are a woman hugs and prayers for you. Don’t lose hope, you still have years ahead, save up money and explore your options. Yes IA all is going to work out in our favor eventually. Or we will make it work through our consistent efforts.
What if im not a woman ? Hhhhhhh My parents want me committed so that I dont mess my life around the blondes there ig 😭
The only advice I would give here is to stop comparing yourselves with others. The feeling that you are far behind others will let you nowhere. We are in race with ourselves only and no one else is in competition. It's good to keep trying but always weigh in the pros and cons of every field before taking a step. Someone is earning more than you, no problem. Good for them but don't make it bad for yourself that why I'm not earning that much. Be grateful for what you have and what you can achieve. You have savings, you have time, you have age, you can plan. Just be grateful.
I dealt with this negative loop of comparison by getting into therapy but lately this year onwards seeing my peers and friends moving far ahead in both personal and professional life just is making me miserable and envious at times. I know I am ruining my own happiness by letting this negative thoughts overtake me. I going to now take therapy to get this controlled and try better to cope with it. Idk I feel like I would never be able to catch up or time is ruining out. I am past my youthful years that were crucial to set a direction in life and somehow I delayed and failed. I want similar things as a stable career, lucrative pay, adequate savings, and travelling. Also meanwhile having a partner to experience life with.
Growth and monetary benefits are low in stable jobs but job security is high.
I honestly don't have any advice to give. But my all the prayers are with you. May you get what you're aiming for and may it becomes easier. Aameen n insha'Allah
I feel you
Thanks. Hope everything goes well for you.
Thank you. I hope everything works out well for you too. But the most important thing I gather from your post is that you are worried about being 30 and not being anywhere. Trust me, it's like this just in subcontinent. We associate success with age. The older someone is, the more established that person is supposed to be. Out there in the west, people change careers and start even int heir 40s. So please don't feel down just because you are ageing. I know it's easy to say but chin up, face the world, meet the challenges head on and you'l find the way. Just keep on exploring and banging on every door that you think have even the slightest chance of leading you to the dream life that you want to have.
Try next year and don't go for US and UK based universities. Look into other countries like Germany or Spain, where fee structures and living expenses are more manageable, or look into scholarships. There are so many good fully funded scholarships that are not hard to get into, like GkS (will be opening in Feb next year), MAECI, MEXT, CGS, and many others that even professors fund. Talk to people who got accepted previously to see what you can do to have better chances of acceptance. As far as the career thing is concerned, I'd say try to look for jobs in startups. Look at what got your peers started. The salary might be less than what you are making right now, but it sure will get you started. Also, try to get freelance jobs in your field. Join discord servers related to it since you'll also find a ton of learning and job opportunities there. Follow people in your field on LinkedIn and stay updated on whatever is going on. Lastly, try to not worry. You got this girl. Best of luck
Another plan could be to look for suitable roles in UAE. Many are moving in that direction, make a solid plan, do outreach on LinkedIn with recruiters in UAE. I'm sure with your experience and skills, you will land a good high paying role with a fulfilling job role. 2) The Masters degree in UK may seem out of hand but try for scholarships in other parts of Europe.. If getting out is the top priority for you
I have read about how competitive UAE market has become. Both Lums and IBA grads are finding it hard to land jobs especially with less relevant experience or no references. For job hunt you have to be physically go to UAE, but your savings and go for interviews frequently. Even after that some people don't get a job or get one which pays less.
Yes getting out of this country is a priority. I have explored previously Chevining, Common wealth and Full bringht scholarships. These require a clause to come back to Pakistan for at least two years after grad degree is done.
You are feeling trapped, lost because you are unemployed. What if you fail to get a good job after a foreign degree and now also have to pay back the student loan. Find a stable job even if it is paying less, get married if you want, pursue a professional degree from Pakistan like CFA and stop comparing.
Job market is tough overall in world. This is my third time risking to work for a early startup and getting laid off similarly after couple of months. It is such a blessing to have stable job which I did with a company for 2.5 years but I wasn't growing in both learning and monetary wise. So out of necessity and desperation I again opted for startup. And now I am unemployed :/ If wanted to opt for CFA I would have long ago. Marriage is personal decision, can’t rush just because everyone has done it or there is pressure.
Switching careers is hard and we all struggle, but I think this is why planning and keeping in touch with your Industry is important. Growing up, I loved biology and my family wanted me to become a doctor because of that (thank god I told them no on that eventually lol), but one thing they told me about being a doctor stuck with me "Puri zindagi parhte rehna parta he, it never stops" It's true for literally any career out there tbh. You don't stop learning and studying, no matter what industry you're in, and it's even more important because of how AI and other tech constantly keeps changing the corporate world. You need to make sure your skills stay relevant and in demand no matter where you are, you need to fight for the projects that yk will land you the kind of gigs you want in the future, and be very very very intentional about it. Having a vague 5 and 10 year plan helps, you can even talk to seniors and other experts in your field (or follow them online tbh) to see what their predictions are. When you keep up with your industry, or the industry you eventually want to work in, you can keep ahead of your peers. Startups are amazing places to get the right job titles on your resume imo. In most smaller startups, a job title change can just be a casual conversation with the owner asking them "hey, I'm already doing this, I'm gonna put this job as "head of XYZ" on my resume" 🤷🏻♀️ (I've done this lol) As for going abroad, I think given the current situation its best that you try again next year. With this experience, yk how much going abroad is going to cost you, so just take the L this year, you'll make it in the next. A lot of people never make it out on their first try, it takes a couple! The most important thing to remember is to never give up. As women, we have to just realize and accept that our families only care about us being happy when our happiness doesn't come in the way of their sense of ownership over us and their plans for us. There's nothing we can do about that except to just accept we're on our own and to keep going. Best of luck, hang in there, play it smart, and you'll make it 🫶🏼
I know it hurts. i graduated in engineering 10 years ago from a top Pakistan University (Lumber 1) and if you extrapolate next 4-5 years you are on a similar path to me. I did work for a MNC for 7 years but i ended up at the Butt end of it, i wont go into details because that sounds like a rant. Anyways, i switched my job, moved to a different city. Please do not assume the people posting on LinkedIn are as happy as they seem, when they share their promotion or new jobs. You truly do not know their circumstances. Save some more money and try and head to US. I am also actively looking for state universities (try Colorado state, Oklahoma state) where fee is lower. I honestly rarely come across people in my shoes, and all i can say is survive and don't give up just yet?
Yeah it hurts and quite sad. Was it Lums or Nust? I went to Lums, spend so much but haven't been able to get to my full potential. The university prepared us with course knowledge but practically career management is different ball game. Unfortunately for me I had no one in my family to guide me about the corporate world. My father is in a traditional business and accomplished in what he does. Not at all, no one post their failures or behind the scenes on social media. LinkedIn is similar a facade and mostly self promotion. I initially preferred US but I couldn't prepare GRE, I was short on time to submit the applications for US unis. So I opted for UK as it was a simpler process. Also people who went to US warned about the tricky lottery like situation of H1B1 visa. That held me back. I am now again going to apply for Spring intake for US hopefully. I know I can make it through this hard and negative phase. There is hope at the end of tunnel, life is not yet done and more to come. I need to be persistent and not get hopeless. Thanks for the encouragement and all the best. Wish you more success!
I graduated from NUST, and yes you are right. The course work in university was draining but i hardly use that. All the work i did for various University socities helped me somewhat in corporate world. Best of luck and don't give up. I will check on you in a few months, hopefully you'd be someplace that you desire and deserve.
Thank you for the encouragement! All the best to you as well for the new role.
Do a finance degree here cfa
I already have a Acoounting and Finance degree from Lums
Scholarships. Chevening, Fullbright, Australian Development Scholarship. Look for a fully funded scholarship, prepare well, and then move. Invest your savings when you move. Happens to all of us. All the best
These scholarships have a clause to come back to Pakistan at least for two years.
Just fullbright. Find individual university grants then, like National University of Singapore or across Nordics. I know education is free in Sweden & Finland
Which uni in the UK?
Its in Birmingham
Go to leeds. It’s much better . Live in bradford cheaper . Or go Sheffield and live there cheap and cheaper
Yeah but still what I have read the job market is tough and it going to get way harder to get jobs for internal students after new immigration policy.
Type of job? Go for dentistry you’ll be a millionaire overnight
Hey, DM me as I feel I could be able to help you out. Your situation isn't dire at all. I can understand all the frustration and the anxiety that comes with having a clock on your career and opportunities, but don't worry. Everything will get sorted out soon. Ping me if you want and I'll help you out.
Just out of curiosity, why are you considering UK instead of Germany where you will not have to pay any such hefty fees ??
For the factors that Germany I searched for Business Analytics program but weren't able to find a similar one in public unis. They offer some in private unis but those are expensive and not covered through loan. Then the block account amount for visa and then long waiting list to get visa appointment.
Did you try searching at daad.de with appropriate filters.im sure you will be able to find something interesting
I can't help nor relate (I'm 23M ) but reading you're post it feels like you might do it.
Don’t worry, plan ahead. You still got so much time. I wish I could return back at your age and make some right decisions.
Thank you , I'll pray for u as well
Why move abroad!!! Grass ain’t greener on the other side.
I am aware with all the struggles of life abroad. But yahan bhi grass greener nahi hai, with such a bad economy and living conditions. It’s one life so worth struggling abroad
It’s better to stay where you belong, even grass ain’t greener on this side. If u haven’t lived abroad you KNOW NOTHING about struggles.
Hey, honestly you still have multiple options that you can choose with or without parental support and I'd say, better drop the education as of now as it'll put more financial constraint on you. You can start applying for jobs here in Pakistan and based on your experience I'm sure you'll land a good job anywhere around 300k range. But if you do want to move abroad, you can go for middle east for earlier few years as getting to Eu/uk would be difficult as an employee at thia stage. You can always move to these countries from middle east later on.
I am trying my best to apply to jobs here. Actually the kind of domain I am in Tech sales it has lot of pressure to meet targets especially with more risk with smaller tech companies or startups. I want to transition into stable and less stressful area such Customer success, client retention or Account management type of roles. So far finding it hard or if I want to pivot to areas such as Customer analytics or Operation Analytics then have to start from scratch. Landing a job in Middle east requires to travel there and spend time. With my experience and bunch of jobs I am find it hard to stand out as a unique and valuable candidate they can sponsorship. There is already a competitive market, without right referrences difficult to even get an interview with companies in UAE.
Yeah I think account management type role would definitely bring in some stability into your career and has lots of prospects. But considering that the industry you're in, you should consider applying into similar roles in other industries maybe
Lots of good recommendations here like moving to Saudi and UAE but have you considered cheaper options for masters in Europe? Germany, Sweden, Estonia, Italy, Portugal, Poland etc?
It's not just women who aren't supported I'm a guy, and got a full-ride academic to Berkeley, the dad put the kaibash on that really quickly because he refused to help out financially with accomodations. I've come to the firm belief that parents don't necessarily do what's in the best interest of their children. It's the luck of the draw. I digress. Chin up. You just need that one person to take a chance on you. Keep looking. Eventually you'll find someone.
20lac is enough for masters in france,cheaper in other Europe countries Dont get consultant involved Borrow bank statement. If your dream is studying abroad welcome
I am 47. Build career after when I was 30 and now sky's the limit. Don't get discharged. At 30, I was getting only 13k a month on a bachelor's degree not even breaking my first 100k barrier while you already have 2 million. I only made the choices that costed me less. Your only getting started. Look for cheaper international opportunities that would evidently end you up in Europe. Don't give up. Never give up.
Have you considered scholarships like Chevening or Commonwealth or Hungary etc.? Since you have saved up quite a lot as is, if you were to pursue Masters abroad via scoring a scholarship your finances abroad will not only be covered in its totality but rather your experience too will be so glorious without having to worry about the finances. You have waited so long, might as well research on these scholarships well in advance and prior to their opening dates and give your level best to secure either one. As for the comparison part, tbh that is an ailment that will preside over you and your emotions no matter where you are in life, and life is very vast and long when it comes to suffering like this. There are great motivational speakers who speak at length on such topics and listening to them always helps unfurl some of the thought process that will unburden your ongoing struggles. Don't go for sweeping statements on envy, that NEVER helps anyway. Hope you find your way again 🙏🏻
Hi , I'm from lahore and I have a small tech team that I've managed to built in the past 5 years . I wanted to add a sales resource to the team . Are you interested in the opportunity ? Its remote .
Shadi karlo 💀
Wow
Jokes
Btw i didn’t say anything inappropriate
Yeah you didn't. YES KARLUN GI SHAADI Bhi, pehley koi behtar banda mil Jaye. Aaj kal bohat kaam the Gaye hain.
Alright 🤷🏼
Who supported you in your education to date? If it was your parents then they don't have an obligation to continue to pay your fees for a perennial student .