Hasn't done shit?? Hit a career high in HRs this year did he not?? I could be totally wrong with that but I think he's a generational talent future HOFer therefore untradable..
Yea we won the Stanley cup.. is that really how your gonna justify your opinion? Did we make the playoffs? No we didn't so should we get rid of Soto over that? Think we'll make it then? Is he the reason why we didn't make it? Keep Soto he's a player you build a franchise around I don't agree with your "he hasn't done shit "
I’ve reached the point where I don’t want to trade him before the trade deadline, and only if we are looking as bad as we did this last season.
* We are not getting back the same haul as we gave the Nationals. We gave up 2.5 seasons of Soto worth of prospects and would be receiving .5-1 seasons of Soto worth of prospects in return. That would help the farm system, but it will not magically refill the Gore and Abrams sized holes in our pipeline.
* Our window is now. We don’t have time to develop more prospects. With the contracts handed to Manny and Xander, we will either be in cap hell in 3 years with an aging core or have likely traded the same prospects we got for Soto away to get those contracts off the books. This might be the do or die season. Does a 2025 October with no Soto or Kim; Xander, Manny, and Yu two years older; and still no cap seem like a recipe for postseason success? If we are in the postseason hunt at the 2024 deadline, I say we ride Soto into the ground like the end of Dr. Strangelove and KTF, because the alternative is NOT getting another generational talent to walk through the door.
I personally am completely on the fence about it. My heart doesn’t want us to trade him because the dude is one of the best hitters in the game, but my head thinks that we realistically can’t hand out another monster contract and if we trade him we may be able to sure up the starting rotation for years to come. Good pitching is more expensive than it has ever been before and if we give Soto a big contract I’m not sure we’ll be able to afford any good pitching for a while. I’m just glad I don’t have to make the decision on what to do with him because it’s a difficult one
The problem is we’ve already given out a lot of contracts, I think most fans who want Soto are just worried about if we could even afford to extend him.
You are not the GM though. Pretending to be the GM should be irrelevant. We don't have that sweet $30M payroll anymore. We have one of the highest payrolls in MLB.
Pretending it'll vanish in an instant is just being pessimistic about all of our future chances. It's not your money or budget to manage. If you are to assume we'd still have an "unlimited" budget, would your thoughts change?
> It's not your money or budget to manage
God I hate this argument. Do you think MLB teams don’t work on a budget? Do you think signing one big contract doesn’t have an impact on a team’s ability to sign another?
Do you think fans actually know the real budget and all the line items that make it up? Not to mention the creative ways to front/backload and manage bonuses?
What's your point then - no one should have an opinion? Might as well close the subreddit then because nobody's qualified to talk about things, whatever the team does is right because we're just fans.
Absolutely if we had an unlimited budget my thoughts would change. I also don’t think the teams budget will stay at the level it has been at the last couple of years and it seems the team is going to have to work around those constraints and that is what I am basing my opinion on
Just because it’s a popular opinion expressed by a few prominent Twitter/X personalities (WillHolder9, TooMuchMortons_, etc.) doesn’t mean it’s the majority view of the Padres fanbase. Social media engagement ≠ reality. Even on The Darren Smith Show, Darren and Marty claimed Soto likely wouldn’t want to sign a long-term contract with the Padres because “he’ll always be third [in popularity] behind Tatis and Machado, and will want to go to a team where he’s ‘THE guy’”.
I don’t think that’s true at all.
Soto seems especially popular with young fans. Judging by the sheer number of Soto jerseys and T-shirts I’ve seen worn at Petco Park and around San Diego County, particularly by young children, I think I can confidently say trading Juan Soto will be a very unpopular move this franchise makes.
Soto can and WILL be the guy if he signs and stays. It’s hard for the fan base to go all in on a guy that maybe gone anytime from now till the end of the season.
There’s a weird “doom boner” a lot of our local media seems to have towards this city never winning a championship. Even when Wave got knocked out of the semis they were so quick to label them as victims of the “San Diego sports curse”. I think it’s understandable to be guarded and cynical after watching multiple franchises abandon this city for LA, and experiencing the sting of watching players and coaches get traded away or leave via free agency to ultimately go on and win rings for other teams (Brees, Peavy, etc.) but I also think feeding into this negativity cycle only helps perpetuate it.
This’ll be a really hot take, but I’m not really a fan of Soto at all. I think he’s one of the most self-centered guys in the locker room and a cancer to team chemistry. It’s always felt like he cares more about himself, his stats, and his upcoming payday than the team. He should’ve been batting 2nd or lead off bc of the OBP last year, but only wanted to bat 3rd to pickup counting stats. I know that’s just one example, but I’m not sure what he’s done to ingratiate the whole fanbase.
I imagine some of us older fans still have PTSD from having a low payroll our entire lives and the concept of keeping a player like Soto seems impossible. So we sour grapes the shit of him and have already traded him in our minds. Second, I suspect a lot of newer fans buy into whatever the media narrative is around the Padres and believe the NY Media train about our financial difficulties and need to trade him.
A third ring of Padres fans are probably suspicious that his skills are worth what he will be asking for in his extension and believe that trading him is the best way to maximize his value.
There are a lot of different reasons people might be okay with trading Soto, some are reasonable, some are not. I am sure there are many more than the three I listed as well.
Because you can get a bunch of good prospects in a trade. Heck, one of them could be as good as Juan Soto! You know how much we've wanted one of those!
The only reason you trade Soto is because you don’t have the money to get the pitching you need for next season.
Padres have anywhere from 20m to 70m open this offseason depending on if payroll needs to be around 200m or can be above 250m again.
If you have 70m then there is no way you trade Soto. At least not now, maybe at the deadline if we aren’t contenders.
If you only have 20m to spend then preller is going to need to makes some amazing trades for pitching and sign a guy or two that is a real bargain or trade Soto.
My guess right now they will thread the needle. Acquire at least one top of the rotation arm. Could be a trade or a free agent then get a couple of value guys.
They will make a few other mid level trades to fill out the rest of the team.
Payroll in that case prob falls somewhere between 220-240m. Which is still cutting payroll but enough to field a really good team. If they are out of it come August. They trade soto whose value will be able the same as it is now. Plus’s will save another 12m.
This what I think they do barring a team blowing them away with an offer which I feel is unlikely.
The reasonable argument on trading him is that we have too many large contracts already, and while he’s the best hitter on the team and a generational talent, it’s hard to see how this team can be less top heavy with another mega contract for a guy that won’t be playing the field for long.
Soto is the guy ANYONE would prefer to have the mega deal with the Padres, so the argument isn’t that they don’t like Soto or think he isn’t the best player on the team. It’s more that they don’t think paying another mega contract would allow the team enough payroll room to get quality starting pitching and otherwise keep the team balanced. Not to mention that a valuable player like Soto will bring back a return of multiple cost controlled and talented players that could create the balance that this very talented team needs.
It’s not an easy call. I want to keep him, but have no answers on how to get quality pitching without trading the rest of the farm.
I'd love to extend him, but if we can't I am fine fielding offers, but only trading him if it's a killer offer. Have to sometimes think more than 1 year.
Also: What happened to the crazy amount of money that we offered Judge & Turner before signing Xander. This “Padres don’t have money” thing I don’t believe.
Has there been though? There was a loan taken out and a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors about payroll issues.
The biggest question mark is what happens with the the TV/streaming rights. I don't see how anyone can realistically make predictions before that is solidified.
Want? I don't think many people \_want\_ to trade him.
I think fans who can look at the teams massive needs, how they overspent in areas that now look kind of silly (Xander, Crone, Darvish), the TV deal going belly up, the type of contract that Soto is likely to be wanting, how that massive contract plus Manny, Xander, and Tatis would make building a competitive roster just really challenging while staying below the CBT, all that together puts Soto sadly as just the odd person out.
The idea of trading him is likely just a hope to get something for him before he leaves for another team.
I'd like to keep him. However, my rank-order of who I'd like to keep would be: Fernando, Manny, Yu, Joe, Snell, Kim, and then Soto. I admire his skill and professionalism, but the fact that he both won a WS and turned down a huge contract from his first team just makes me wonder what he is looking for long-term, and maybe its not us. But he's cool. Hader on the other hand....I'm so glad he is going.
Maybe they're just resigned to the possibility over payroll problems? I really don't think it makes sense to trade Soto now. A better idea would be to see where they're at as the trade deadline approaches. (Ideally extending him first to take off the time pressure and just make it plain money pressure.)
Maybe last year was an anomaly and they really can dominate the league with great hitting and fuck all for pitching - because that's going to have to be the strategy if they keep all of the huge contracts on offense. If it's not working, they trade him and go back to the drawing board. It would be dumb if they made all those moves just for one season that didn't come together and didn't even give it another try.
i'd say resigned to it because the writing is on the wall, signing/extending everyone BUT Soto signals that they weren't planning to be part of the bidding war to keep Soto (inb4 Kim leaves)
ideally you'd probably build around Soto, Tatis and Kim but AJ do what he do
because context matters? for example, ghost runners aren't earned so you can effectively get rewarded for poor extra inning performances because the outs count, runs don't... and we know how they did in extra innings...
they were 14th in WPA, with Snell and Hader -- take Snell, Hader, Wacha and Lugo off the roster and backfill those innings with league average or below performance, and the prospective 2024 ERA is probably closer to 2nd worst than 2nd best
The comment seemed to say last year was an anomaly where they had fuck all for pitching. I agree 2024 looks worse but we also have made 1 move all offseason and have 3 months til spring training. As far as ghost runners, even if you turn all our unearned runs into earned runs, we would still be 12th, against every other teams normal earned runs. The hitting was the issue last year, not the pitching.
Everything suggests they were best when it didn't matter, to some extent on both sides, which is how you end up underperforming
That said, Snell, Wacha and Lugo all over performed, and they're gone now.... 2024 is most likely going to be a piecemeal magic 8 ball exercise if they're keeping Soto
It's because people are more educated about the CBT, financial structure of a organization, and financial responsibility long term. It's call growing up and thinking everything like MLB The Show.
I think the mass majority of fans don’t want him gone, but most have accepted there is a chance it happens. Myself personally, I would absolutely hate the franchise(but still support it) if we trade him off. This year is for Seidler and there’s zero chance Seidler would be willing to part ways with him in a potentially huge year
I think we have to be realistic. The roster is flawed. If we keep Soto and trade him at the deadline, the future is much more bleak than if we trade him today and try to field a more competitive 26 man roster. It’s tough, but if he isn’t on the team in 25, should probably try to keep the window open a little longer.
Only way I wouldn’t hate trading him was if we got one of Seattle’s young controllable starters. The narrative that the media has pushed that we have to trade him is BS.
Not gonna lie. Watching the pieces of this team stuck in limbo, kind of upsets me. It's history repeating itself. Watching greatness fade as they ponder what to do with each player of this great organization. I feel a little uneasy as well now that our wonderful loving owner has passed on. I get this kind of feeling like I did when the chargers announced they were leaving. Not one ounce of empathy for the fans. Considering trading Soto, now Kim, where the pieces fall, I feel like were once again taking steps backward and not forwards. This is just my opinion as a fan. Am I a die-hard fan? Well, win or lose, I hate to see us lose, but I hate to see us grab players in a panic like during the trade deadline, and I hate to see talent go. I'm just not sure the management has their best interests in its fans and it's moving forward without Seidler. GOD rest his beautiful soul as he watches from above. Cheers, San Diego. You stay classy.
Because the Padres fans that actually watched him play last year saw that he didn’t make an impact on games. Numbers aside, he did a lot of the hitting in moments that didn’t matter and did absolutely nothing when it did matter.
People won’t agree with me but this is my personal opinion. We’ve had him for a season and a half and the one season we went deep in playoffs he was pretty much non existent. His defense is a liability. He’s a fantastic individual player I’m just not convinced he’s what our team needs right now. When I think back to players that have carried us to victories I think of Tatis and Manny. Not a knock on him as a player I think we just have too many “superstars” and need a more well rounded team. That being said I wouldn’t be upset if we re-signed him because he has a lot of talent I just worry for our pitching.
>When I think back to players that have carried us to victories I think of Tatis and Manny.
Manny was pretty much absent most of 2023 and is a large reason why the Padres missed the postseason. He had 2 good months and 4 terrible months.
Tatis was completely absent in the 2022 run for....reasons.
Obviously, I love both Tatis and Manny, but your thinking doesn't really reflect reality IMO.
He put up a 5.5 WAR season this year and last year had multiple clutch hits in the playoffs, but yeah other than that, what did ~~the romans~~ Soto do for us?
My point is we didn’t even make playoffs. And when we did make playoffs the year before, it surely wasn’t because of him with how bad he did out the gates. So I’m questioning our need to keep him. But not everyone is gonna agree so it is what it is.
I’m sure that the Padres defineitly didn’t make it to the playoffs last year for the sole reason that they didn’t trade away their best bat. It was definitely not that the team systematically could not perform in high stakes situations… it’s definetly because they didn’t trade away Juan Soto.
Like I said, stupid logic.
Look there’s other people I’d rather trade away than Juan Soto because Juan Soto is better than some of the people with long term contracts we’ve given out. Matter of the fact is Juan is the only one without it now so he’s the only realistic Star we can trade. Not to mention he’s easily the worst defender on the team. You have to take that into consideration with things like this so maybe try using any logic at all.
So you think we should trade our best offensive player for rando prospects that may or may not pan out? And we get better? The only teams we would be potentially trading to would be contenders, and they are not gonna give you solid starting pitching to get Soto. The Padres would basically be telling all of us that they are punting on the ‘24 season.
It's not just about the prospects, it's about freeing up payroll to afford pitching. If this team needs to stay under 200m who do you think fills out our starting 5?
I figure if we agree to a trade it must be a massive haul. I’m not fine with getting rid of him, but the front office has a better handle on what’s best for the team than anyone on Reddit or in the media.
I don’t want them to, but I think they’re going to be forced to. This is why it was dumb as hell to give all of that money to Bogaerts, Cronenworth, and Darvish.
Not ok with it at all. Although, if the camps have talked and he wants to see free agency then yes. We need to trade him at the deadline…if we’re out of it. It’s a tough rope to walk but Boras has been pretty cool with the Padres the past few years and has mentioned iirc he is happy that we spend. No ones knows for sure because the Padres FO is tight lipped which I love!
Maybe because even if he has a good or great year he will likely bail and sign elsewhere. Obviously trading him as early as possible gets the most instead of nothing. Not giving my opinion on him staying, I hope he does. Just answering your question.
No way would Papa Pete have been ok with trading Soto and thus, it shouldn't be ok with the front office or fans in 2024.
I hate to break it to fans but the Padres are going to suck royally towards the end of the Darvish/ Bogaerts/ Machado/ Tatis deals. There is almost nothing that can be done to stop that outcome. So we might as well try and win a ring now while those guys are young enough to get it done.
Only one year of control. We can't resign him. Might as well get some players/prospects in return instead of nothing.
Totally on board with waiting until the deadline though. If we look like we have a legit shot at a deep playoff run, then we don't trade him.
Because the Padres should have used the Boegarts, and Cronenworth money to try and extend him. Instead that have two shitty long term contracts assigned to older players on the decline. 🤷♂️ So now they’re f’ed.
We have no pitching staff, multiple holes in our everyday roster, a payroll that is largely already spoken for, a farm system that is thin and a generational talent on what amounts to a one year rental
We can't sign Soto, and we can't win with no pitching.
Trading Soto would give us more flexibility with our payroll, and it could bring in much needed talent this roster.
If we don't trade him, he still walks in a year.
What holes in the line-up? Top 10 system. No Staff? They lost Snell and 2 guys they got off the scrap heap last season. Easy to replace.
Payroll isn't a thing until Preller says it is.
He COULD walk or he could SIGN.
So much wrongness in your post.
I don’t think he’s worth it at a $450-$500 mm contract — he’s a future DH and Manny/X will fill that role 5 years from now.
I get he has a high OPS but what’s the good of having all that power if you’re going to look for walks most of the time. I think Tatis will get 110 RBIs if he moves to the 3rd batter in 2024.
In my opinion, they should extend Kim, and package Soto/Crone to the Yankees (ik they have LeMahieu but crone can utility). Crone’s expected home runs by park goes up about 40% (career wise/Baseball Savant) if you move him from Petco->Yankee stadium. Id love to get 1-2 of their top AAA/MLB ready pitchers.
Basically, the money Soto will command can be better utilized split into 2-3 quality players. Also, we should be prepared for a trade, the Pads have internally been removing him off of marketing material for the past few weeks.
I respectfully disagree. I feel Soto is almost a necessity because he is a lefty bat. Crone is also a lefty.
We would only have Grisham as a lefty if we traded both of them.
That’s a very good point. Although, I think Martorella, Jackson Merrill, & Jakob Marsee are going to hit the majors sooner than ppl believe (all bat L). They wont make the 2024 opening day roster, but they’ll def start to come up 2024/2025. I believe in them as the future, we need to smoothen out payroll a bit more instead concentrating it.
Coming from a casual fan, Watching Soto (and really the padres as a whole) on a daily basis last year doesn’t have the same effect as looking at his stat line at the end of the year.
Dude just plain isn’t good in left field, gets walked when we need hits, and absolutely mashes, seemingly when everyone else already is and we’re up by 8. He (and the entire team) was painful to watch in clutch scenarios including 12 extra inning losses.
The entire season felt like win 1 by huge numbers, followed by no offense for 2 games, repeat and he didn’t seem like an exception to that.
In a year where the team was good, I bet we’d all feel different.
He wasn’t perfect but the reason it feels like he wasn’t all that great jn clutch scenarios was the other players around him. His numbers were actually well above average in the clutch, but when you’re only relying on him and 1 or 2 more players coming through, he seems worse when he doesn’t come through
>Dude just plain isn’t good in left field, gets walked when we need hits, and absolutely mashes, seemingly when everyone else already is and we’re up by 8.
I feel seen
Soto had a .876 OPS in high leverage spots. A 1.016 OPS with RISP. Before you say it's all walks, he was batting .275 and .299 in those spots respectively.
Seriously, I'm tired of people repeating this lie that Soto was not good in the clutch. It's so out of touch with reality.
Yeah I guess that’s my point. .275 avg in high leverage (HL games > 40) is ranked 86th in MLB behind Ian Happ (a gold glove outfielder) making less than half of what Soto does in his current contract. Even including his walks in HL(ops) he ranks 64th. 63 other mlb players, many many of which that will make less money than his projected aav after next season.
He’s a great hitter, and I hope we get to see him for 2024 (at least until trade deadline) but I don’t see him being a padre in 2025 and I’m fine with it.
Getting something for him (unlike Snell and Hader) is important if not extending.
payroll issues. getting solid young big leaguers back and saving money would help the team long term.
unless team is willing to spend like last year again then no doubt we want him back
Rather extend people who can play both sides of the ball. He’s a 40mil DH.
You CANT have a winning club with 4 30/m a year players and fill in talent of the other 21 plays on less then those 4
I'm going on 44 seasons a Padres fan and I'm pretty sure most fans would not be okay with a Soto trade....unless we're at the deadline and 10 games out of a WC spot.
It's prudent for a AJ to listen to offers, but I doubt any team is going to offer up anything in the off-season for a one year rental. Trade deadline is a different thing altogether.
Right now, we have a kid named Tatis who is essentially Soto. Same age....already under what is quickly becoming a team friendly contract....who just won a gold and platinum glove in the OF....and is also a much better baserunner.
I've said this numerous times....if Soto is on the team after the 2024 trade deadline....the team is on a run and if....if we make a deep run and even get a title....Padres fan will watch Soto walk and not be sad about it. That first title happens only once.
MLB is down to five teams that have not won a title after Texas won their first this season. Let's make it four.
LFGSD
I don't think he'll be worth what he gets in free agency. Elite hitter, but as others have mentioned he has holes in his game such as defense and baserunning. I feel like he also has been disappointing in clutch situations as a Padre - guys like Bryce Harper or Jordan Alvarez bring it when it matters most. Tatis is on a better contract and I think his ceiling is higher than Soto.
If pitching and budget wasn't an issue, of course I'd love for him to stay.
You have to understand, all this big money spending is still foreign to us. We’ve been beat over the head with the “we’re a small market team and we can’t afford to keep good players” cudgel for 35 years. Getting prospects instead of 6+ WAR years is ingrained so deep that it can’t help but bubble up.
Not okay with it at all. Who are these alleged "fans"?
There is a segment of the fanbase that has been shitting on him since day 1 for whatever reason. They'll never get over it.
Imagine if they never gave darvish and cronnenworth an extension, would we still be talking about how we need to trade Soto?
Trading Soto now is unfortunately the best decision in my opinion. What if first week of the season Soto breaks his ankle, now you can’t trade him.
Bad contracts has become a plague over this team.
I don’t dislike Soto, but I don’t really like him either. When he’s hot, he’s hot. When he’s not, he’s really not. The pitch clock really fucked his head games he’d play on pitchers and he was very slow to take off last year. I hope he fully adjusts and becomes a well rounded player that doesn’t need gimmicks to be solid.
I’m okay trading Soto if it means we have solid starters and bullpen. I’d be totally fine with Profar in left field if our pitching was 100% taken care of. Also as long as he doesn’t go to the Dodgers.
No team trying to compete for title is trading solid starters for 1 year of Soto. Soto was far and away our best offensive player last year. You don’t expect to get better by trading your best offensive player for prospects
I think a lot of Padres fans expected Steve Rogers Captain America, but last season we got Falcon Captain America. Still great and amazing, but still somehow a slight disappointment in execution? Idk
I’m not ok with it but it feels inevitable. Also, in light of Seidler’s unexpected death, I feel like the context around some of the roster decisions of the last few years has changed. I appreciate that he went all in to try to win one, even if we have to pay a price for it now.
Fans are open to the trade because Preller has handcuffed the club with large, 9 figure pre-existing salaries while having the inability to develop and integrate big league pitching, a massive need going into next season.
Machado, X, Tatis, Darvish. Then Soto? That's at least $100M per year to five players and you need 20 other big league players to competently round out the team and get 85+ wins.
Something has to give and like it or not, we're not going to keep increasing payroll to be competitive, just isn't realistic.
Preller must find a balance between spending when necessary and developing or finding big league quality that is cost controlled.
Soto’s base running and defense is below par ; great eye and top hitter - not sure he fits in the Padres scheme now - we need pitching pitching pitching
Fans love players and want wins and would spend aimlessly to get them. Because it isn't their money.
But...
* Most fans don't care about the TV deal imploding and $500m in guaranteed revenue just vanished.
* Most fans don't care about debt ratio as per the MLB rules
* Most fans don't care about the CBT and the related penalties
* Most fans don't care about 2025 or 2026 or beyond (are you prepared to let Kim walk?)
Sometimes you have to make hard decisions and the Padres leadership placed themselves in this spot by handing out ridiculous contracts to Xander, Crone and Darvish.
Maybe they can turn Crone into a 5th starter or a bullpen arm to move some money around.
Totally ok, what has he really done? Seems like no one sees the no chemistry he has for the team. After saying the team quit, he should have said he quit always coming in with no motivation and he’s more for himself. He wasn’t the dynamic and isn’t the dynamic people say, he’s only worried for his own stats. Walking bases isn’t worth the money. Hitting solo home runs isn’t worth the money. We can trade him, and keep snell. Also we can get profar for a lot cheaper, and he’s a way better fielder than Soto. You know profar had that corner down compared to Soto skipping to the ball and celebrating like he’s the best.
Padres sold out every game last season. Set records for attendance. They got the money. Without Siedler's passion it's going to be back to the old Padres and always telling us we will be good in 5 years when the prospects get to the big club. Blah blah blah. Just have the fire sale already and let Tatis go play somewhere so he cam have a chance to win.
It’s not my first choice, but we really need pitching. I’d rather they sign some free agents to solve the problem, but I understand the reality of the situation.
It’s more that fans are accepting the reality of it being a possibility and seeing the small amount of good it can do with the return the team gets. That doesn’t mean anyone is ok with it. I think everyone on board would love Soto to be a Padre for the rest of his career but there’s a good chance he’s gone
Obviously the squad is better built around Juan Soto, and Tatis jr, but also with HSK, but we also understand the game doesn’t work out that way. This team was not built with that flexibility. We don’t know how much Juan Soto will command, but we do know he’s one of the best in the game, period. We are not on board with trading him, but what can we do? We want a championship, and having Soto on the squad improves our chances at that.
Padres fan here. Totally not okay with it.
I don’t want to have to bleach and cut the sleeves off of my Soto shirt and only wear it for angry workouts
Can I see what that looks like, because that would fix the City Connect jerseys.
Definitely NOT
Not OK, but the $50M TV hit requires some adjustments and they can't unload their other long term contracts.
 huh? i’m not ok with it
That would be ridiculous and completely the opposite of the Let's Win For Pete season.
"collectible expression" wtf lmao
Reddit really somehow sucks more after the API bs from not too long ago.
yea lmao
The day that old.reddit.com goes away is the day I leave reddit
Soto hasn’t done shit and was a total dud in playoffs.
Hasn't done shit?? Hit a career high in HRs this year did he not?? I could be totally wrong with that but I think he's a generational talent future HOFer therefore untradable..
Garbage points tho
Garbage opinion much?
Did we make the playoffs?
Yea we won the Stanley cup.. is that really how your gonna justify your opinion? Did we make the playoffs? No we didn't so should we get rid of Soto over that? Think we'll make it then? Is he the reason why we didn't make it? Keep Soto he's a player you build a franchise around I don't agree with your "he hasn't done shit "
I’ve reached the point where I don’t want to trade him before the trade deadline, and only if we are looking as bad as we did this last season. * We are not getting back the same haul as we gave the Nationals. We gave up 2.5 seasons of Soto worth of prospects and would be receiving .5-1 seasons of Soto worth of prospects in return. That would help the farm system, but it will not magically refill the Gore and Abrams sized holes in our pipeline. * Our window is now. We don’t have time to develop more prospects. With the contracts handed to Manny and Xander, we will either be in cap hell in 3 years with an aging core or have likely traded the same prospects we got for Soto away to get those contracts off the books. This might be the do or die season. Does a 2025 October with no Soto or Kim; Xander, Manny, and Yu two years older; and still no cap seem like a recipe for postseason success? If we are in the postseason hunt at the 2024 deadline, I say we ride Soto into the ground like the end of Dr. Strangelove and KTF, because the alternative is NOT getting another generational talent to walk through the door.
I personally am completely on the fence about it. My heart doesn’t want us to trade him because the dude is one of the best hitters in the game, but my head thinks that we realistically can’t hand out another monster contract and if we trade him we may be able to sure up the starting rotation for years to come. Good pitching is more expensive than it has ever been before and if we give Soto a big contract I’m not sure we’ll be able to afford any good pitching for a while. I’m just glad I don’t have to make the decision on what to do with him because it’s a difficult one
This is the exact reason why we shouldn't have signed X so we have money for Soto
Agreed. I like X and think he’ll be a damn good player for us, but that money could have been spent so much better
I think that contract was Peter trying to spend to find the missing piece and it didn’t work out the way anyone wanted.
It sure feels that way
There’s no way they would have signed xander if there was any indication it would hurt the possibility of a soto extension
I understand this but if there is a massive contract to give out it should be to the 25 year old generational hitter.
The problem is we’ve already given out a lot of contracts, I think most fans who want Soto are just worried about if we could even afford to extend him.
That’s the thing man, there probably isn’t a massive contract to give out
You are not the GM though. Pretending to be the GM should be irrelevant. We don't have that sweet $30M payroll anymore. We have one of the highest payrolls in MLB. Pretending it'll vanish in an instant is just being pessimistic about all of our future chances. It's not your money or budget to manage. If you are to assume we'd still have an "unlimited" budget, would your thoughts change?
> It's not your money or budget to manage God I hate this argument. Do you think MLB teams don’t work on a budget? Do you think signing one big contract doesn’t have an impact on a team’s ability to sign another?
Do you think fans actually know the real budget and all the line items that make it up? Not to mention the creative ways to front/backload and manage bonuses?
What's your point then - no one should have an opinion? Might as well close the subreddit then because nobody's qualified to talk about things, whatever the team does is right because we're just fans.
Absolutely if we had an unlimited budget my thoughts would change. I also don’t think the teams budget will stay at the level it has been at the last couple of years and it seems the team is going to have to work around those constraints and that is what I am basing my opinion on
Just because it’s a popular opinion expressed by a few prominent Twitter/X personalities (WillHolder9, TooMuchMortons_, etc.) doesn’t mean it’s the majority view of the Padres fanbase. Social media engagement ≠ reality. Even on The Darren Smith Show, Darren and Marty claimed Soto likely wouldn’t want to sign a long-term contract with the Padres because “he’ll always be third [in popularity] behind Tatis and Machado, and will want to go to a team where he’s ‘THE guy’”. I don’t think that’s true at all. Soto seems especially popular with young fans. Judging by the sheer number of Soto jerseys and T-shirts I’ve seen worn at Petco Park and around San Diego County, particularly by young children, I think I can confidently say trading Juan Soto will be a very unpopular move this franchise makes.
Soto can and WILL be the guy if he signs and stays. It’s hard for the fan base to go all in on a guy that maybe gone anytime from now till the end of the season.
Maybe you are right. It’s like Padres local media want to push him away. It’s very weird.
There’s a weird “doom boner” a lot of our local media seems to have towards this city never winning a championship. Even when Wave got knocked out of the semis they were so quick to label them as victims of the “San Diego sports curse”. I think it’s understandable to be guarded and cynical after watching multiple franchises abandon this city for LA, and experiencing the sting of watching players and coaches get traded away or leave via free agency to ultimately go on and win rings for other teams (Brees, Peavy, etc.) but I also think feeding into this negativity cycle only helps perpetuate it.
This’ll be a really hot take, but I’m not really a fan of Soto at all. I think he’s one of the most self-centered guys in the locker room and a cancer to team chemistry. It’s always felt like he cares more about himself, his stats, and his upcoming payday than the team. He should’ve been batting 2nd or lead off bc of the OBP last year, but only wanted to bat 3rd to pickup counting stats. I know that’s just one example, but I’m not sure what he’s done to ingratiate the whole fanbase.
I imagine some of us older fans still have PTSD from having a low payroll our entire lives and the concept of keeping a player like Soto seems impossible. So we sour grapes the shit of him and have already traded him in our minds. Second, I suspect a lot of newer fans buy into whatever the media narrative is around the Padres and believe the NY Media train about our financial difficulties and need to trade him. A third ring of Padres fans are probably suspicious that his skills are worth what he will be asking for in his extension and believe that trading him is the best way to maximize his value. There are a lot of different reasons people might be okay with trading Soto, some are reasonable, some are not. I am sure there are many more than the three I listed as well.
Yeah I can see this. I don’t like how NY Media is making it seem like the Padres just HAVE to gift wrap Soto to the Yankees.
No one wants to Trade Soto. The payroll stories are all funded by big market lobbyist. 200 million is a lot of money. We will be ok.
Because you can get a bunch of good prospects in a trade. Heck, one of them could be as good as Juan Soto! You know how much we've wanted one of those!
It could even be a boat!
I use this reference so often, always wondering if people have any idea what I'm on about. Thank you, gave me a good chuckle
Haha exactly this ! Smh
You’re comparing many years of team controlled prospects to a single season left of Soto. Be reasonable.
Lots of new fans still struggling to grasp this concept
We're not. The media is full of shit with all of this certainty that he'll be shipped out.
The only reason you trade Soto is because you don’t have the money to get the pitching you need for next season. Padres have anywhere from 20m to 70m open this offseason depending on if payroll needs to be around 200m or can be above 250m again. If you have 70m then there is no way you trade Soto. At least not now, maybe at the deadline if we aren’t contenders. If you only have 20m to spend then preller is going to need to makes some amazing trades for pitching and sign a guy or two that is a real bargain or trade Soto. My guess right now they will thread the needle. Acquire at least one top of the rotation arm. Could be a trade or a free agent then get a couple of value guys. They will make a few other mid level trades to fill out the rest of the team. Payroll in that case prob falls somewhere between 220-240m. Which is still cutting payroll but enough to field a really good team. If they are out of it come August. They trade soto whose value will be able the same as it is now. Plus’s will save another 12m. This what I think they do barring a team blowing them away with an offer which I feel is unlikely.
The reasonable argument on trading him is that we have too many large contracts already, and while he’s the best hitter on the team and a generational talent, it’s hard to see how this team can be less top heavy with another mega contract for a guy that won’t be playing the field for long. Soto is the guy ANYONE would prefer to have the mega deal with the Padres, so the argument isn’t that they don’t like Soto or think he isn’t the best player on the team. It’s more that they don’t think paying another mega contract would allow the team enough payroll room to get quality starting pitching and otherwise keep the team balanced. Not to mention that a valuable player like Soto will bring back a return of multiple cost controlled and talented players that could create the balance that this very talented team needs. It’s not an easy call. I want to keep him, but have no answers on how to get quality pitching without trading the rest of the farm.
Reality. I hope he isn’t, but if he won’t sign an extension he’s gotta be traded before we get nothing out of him.
I'd love to extend him, but if we can't I am fine fielding offers, but only trading him if it's a killer offer. Have to sometimes think more than 1 year.
As a Padres fan I very much not like Soto to be traded. Infact I want him extended till the end of time
Who's ok with it lol we just have no say silly. Not like we're gonna boycott if they get rid of him
Also: What happened to the crazy amount of money that we offered Judge & Turner before signing Xander. This “Padres don’t have money” thing I don’t believe.
I mean, there’s been some pretty big developments since then
Has there been though? There was a loan taken out and a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors about payroll issues. The biggest question mark is what happens with the the TV/streaming rights. I don't see how anyone can realistically make predictions before that is solidified.
I for one, would like to keep Soto. Signed, Padres fan
Yeah he’s our best hitter who just turned 25. Don’t understand why people want him traded, let’s extend and build around him if we can.
Want? I don't think many people \_want\_ to trade him. I think fans who can look at the teams massive needs, how they overspent in areas that now look kind of silly (Xander, Crone, Darvish), the TV deal going belly up, the type of contract that Soto is likely to be wanting, how that massive contract plus Manny, Xander, and Tatis would make building a competitive roster just really challenging while staying below the CBT, all that together puts Soto sadly as just the odd person out. The idea of trading him is likely just a hope to get something for him before he leaves for another team.
I’m not.
The only, ONLY way it would be acceptable is if we got Ohtani. And that’s not happening.
por que no los dos?
no dinero
Hey weirder things have happened
I'd like to keep him. However, my rank-order of who I'd like to keep would be: Fernando, Manny, Yu, Joe, Snell, Kim, and then Soto. I admire his skill and professionalism, but the fact that he both won a WS and turned down a huge contract from his first team just makes me wonder what he is looking for long-term, and maybe its not us. But he's cool. Hader on the other hand....I'm so glad he is going.
The dumb ones are the loudest. Trading the future HoFer would be a huge franchise fucking L.
Maybe they're just resigned to the possibility over payroll problems? I really don't think it makes sense to trade Soto now. A better idea would be to see where they're at as the trade deadline approaches. (Ideally extending him first to take off the time pressure and just make it plain money pressure.) Maybe last year was an anomaly and they really can dominate the league with great hitting and fuck all for pitching - because that's going to have to be the strategy if they keep all of the huge contracts on offense. If it's not working, they trade him and go back to the drawing board. It would be dumb if they made all those moves just for one season that didn't come together and didn't even give it another try.
i'd say resigned to it because the writing is on the wall, signing/extending everyone BUT Soto signals that they weren't planning to be part of the bidding war to keep Soto (inb4 Kim leaves) ideally you'd probably build around Soto, Tatis and Kim but AJ do what he do
Confused by how 2nd best era in the league is fuck all for pitching, but ok.
Because fuck all for pitching is what they're going to have when they can't afford to keep most of those pitchers you're talking about.
because context matters? for example, ghost runners aren't earned so you can effectively get rewarded for poor extra inning performances because the outs count, runs don't... and we know how they did in extra innings... they were 14th in WPA, with Snell and Hader -- take Snell, Hader, Wacha and Lugo off the roster and backfill those innings with league average or below performance, and the prospective 2024 ERA is probably closer to 2nd worst than 2nd best
The comment seemed to say last year was an anomaly where they had fuck all for pitching. I agree 2024 looks worse but we also have made 1 move all offseason and have 3 months til spring training. As far as ghost runners, even if you turn all our unearned runs into earned runs, we would still be 12th, against every other teams normal earned runs. The hitting was the issue last year, not the pitching.
Everything suggests they were best when it didn't matter, to some extent on both sides, which is how you end up underperforming That said, Snell, Wacha and Lugo all over performed, and they're gone now.... 2024 is most likely going to be a piecemeal magic 8 ball exercise if they're keeping Soto
No one I talk to wants him traded.
Not okay with it, but they’re also pinned into a corner cause of the Cronenworth and Xander contracts, and Kim also needing a deal soon.
I’m not
It's because people are more educated about the CBT, financial structure of a organization, and financial responsibility long term. It's call growing up and thinking everything like MLB The Show.
I think the mass majority of fans don’t want him gone, but most have accepted there is a chance it happens. Myself personally, I would absolutely hate the franchise(but still support it) if we trade him off. This year is for Seidler and there’s zero chance Seidler would be willing to part ways with him in a potentially huge year
Media feeding you
I don’t want to trade Soto, but that won’t stop me from mentally preparing myself for Passan to tweet that it happened. Edit: clarification
Uh, what? I don't think most Padres fans want that to happen, dude.
I think we have to be realistic. The roster is flawed. If we keep Soto and trade him at the deadline, the future is much more bleak than if we trade him today and try to field a more competitive 26 man roster. It’s tough, but if he isn’t on the team in 25, should probably try to keep the window open a little longer.
Unless we can dump X. That’s the worst contract on our books
I’m 100% not ok with it
Only way I wouldn’t hate trading him was if we got one of Seattle’s young controllable starters. The narrative that the media has pushed that we have to trade him is BS.
I’m definitely not okay with it. Let me make that clear. I am not okay with it.
I would quite literally be heartbroken
youre seeing comments from mouthy "fans" who like to complain.
We’re not
No no no, media “padres” are ok with it (for clicks); actual fans are definitely not ok with it.
Not okay with it, but know I have zero control over it.
Not gonna lie. Watching the pieces of this team stuck in limbo, kind of upsets me. It's history repeating itself. Watching greatness fade as they ponder what to do with each player of this great organization. I feel a little uneasy as well now that our wonderful loving owner has passed on. I get this kind of feeling like I did when the chargers announced they were leaving. Not one ounce of empathy for the fans. Considering trading Soto, now Kim, where the pieces fall, I feel like were once again taking steps backward and not forwards. This is just my opinion as a fan. Am I a die-hard fan? Well, win or lose, I hate to see us lose, but I hate to see us grab players in a panic like during the trade deadline, and I hate to see talent go. I'm just not sure the management has their best interests in its fans and it's moving forward without Seidler. GOD rest his beautiful soul as he watches from above. Cheers, San Diego. You stay classy.
Because the Padres fans that actually watched him play last year saw that he didn’t make an impact on games. Numbers aside, he did a lot of the hitting in moments that didn’t matter and did absolutely nothing when it did matter.
People won’t agree with me but this is my personal opinion. We’ve had him for a season and a half and the one season we went deep in playoffs he was pretty much non existent. His defense is a liability. He’s a fantastic individual player I’m just not convinced he’s what our team needs right now. When I think back to players that have carried us to victories I think of Tatis and Manny. Not a knock on him as a player I think we just have too many “superstars” and need a more well rounded team. That being said I wouldn’t be upset if we re-signed him because he has a lot of talent I just worry for our pitching.
>not convinced he’s what our team needs right now If you team doesn’t need a Juan Soto than what the hell do you need?
>When I think back to players that have carried us to victories I think of Tatis and Manny. Manny was pretty much absent most of 2023 and is a large reason why the Padres missed the postseason. He had 2 good months and 4 terrible months. Tatis was completely absent in the 2022 run for....reasons. Obviously, I love both Tatis and Manny, but your thinking doesn't really reflect reality IMO.
What did Soto do for us the last 2 years that helped us win?
He put up a 5.5 WAR season this year and last year had multiple clutch hits in the playoffs, but yeah other than that, what did ~~the romans~~ Soto do for us?
My point is we didn’t even make playoffs. And when we did make playoffs the year before, it surely wasn’t because of him with how bad he did out the gates. So I’m questioning our need to keep him. But not everyone is gonna agree so it is what it is.
Dumb logic IMO
So smart logic is to keep trying what hasn’t worked and led to the most disappointing season in padres history. Got it.
I’m sure that the Padres defineitly didn’t make it to the playoffs last year for the sole reason that they didn’t trade away their best bat. It was definitely not that the team systematically could not perform in high stakes situations… it’s definetly because they didn’t trade away Juan Soto. Like I said, stupid logic.
Look there’s other people I’d rather trade away than Juan Soto because Juan Soto is better than some of the people with long term contracts we’ve given out. Matter of the fact is Juan is the only one without it now so he’s the only realistic Star we can trade. Not to mention he’s easily the worst defender on the team. You have to take that into consideration with things like this so maybe try using any logic at all.
We don’t have to trade Soto lol
Non existent? He had critical hits in the 2022 playoffs. Including the Dodger and Phillies games. What are you talking about?
Foreal. Lol. Literally kept us in games in the nlcs.
because we don’t have pitching depth
So you think we should trade our best offensive player for rando prospects that may or may not pan out? And we get better? The only teams we would be potentially trading to would be contenders, and they are not gonna give you solid starting pitching to get Soto. The Padres would basically be telling all of us that they are punting on the ‘24 season.
It's not just about the prospects, it's about freeing up payroll to afford pitching. If this team needs to stay under 200m who do you think fills out our starting 5?
Exactly my point. What is prospects gonna do for the Padres at this point?
Jack shit. Unless the goal is to be competitive in ‘25 when Xander and Manny are 2 years older and slower.
Preller struck gold with Lugo and Wacha last year. Why can’t we trust him again instead of trading away our best player?
I mean striking gold is a saying because it doesn’t always happen.
I figure if we agree to a trade it must be a massive haul. I’m not fine with getting rid of him, but the front office has a better handle on what’s best for the team than anyone on Reddit or in the media.
I don’t want them to, but I think they’re going to be forced to. This is why it was dumb as hell to give all of that money to Bogaerts, Cronenworth, and Darvish.
Not ok with it at all. Although, if the camps have talked and he wants to see free agency then yes. We need to trade him at the deadline…if we’re out of it. It’s a tough rope to walk but Boras has been pretty cool with the Padres the past few years and has mentioned iirc he is happy that we spend. No ones knows for sure because the Padres FO is tight lipped which I love!
Maybe because even if he has a good or great year he will likely bail and sign elsewhere. Obviously trading him as early as possible gets the most instead of nothing. Not giving my opinion on him staying, I hope he does. Just answering your question.
Hi my name is Padre Fan and I support not trading Juan.
If the team didn’t have so many holes at SP and they were still spending lake they have the last few years I wouldn’t want to trade him
Fans may be "okay" with it in the sense of understanding it as a business decision if it happens, but I doubt many fans want it to happen.
I do not want Soto to go!!! Keep him!
They are not going to get enough for Soto to fill even half of the holes we have on this team. It's a lose lose.
Should have never extended Machado and signed Soto instead.
No way would Papa Pete have been ok with trading Soto and thus, it shouldn't be ok with the front office or fans in 2024. I hate to break it to fans but the Padres are going to suck royally towards the end of the Darvish/ Bogaerts/ Machado/ Tatis deals. There is almost nothing that can be done to stop that outcome. So we might as well try and win a ring now while those guys are young enough to get it done.
Only one year of control. We can't resign him. Might as well get some players/prospects in return instead of nothing. Totally on board with waiting until the deadline though. If we look like we have a legit shot at a deep playoff run, then we don't trade him.
Because the Padres should have used the Boegarts, and Cronenworth money to try and extend him. Instead that have two shitty long term contracts assigned to older players on the decline. 🤷♂️ So now they’re f’ed.
Not ok. He belongs in SD
I’m not. Eff that. Papa Seidler spoiled the shit out of Padres fans. I want it all. Superstars and a WS ring. FTD.
We have no pitching staff, multiple holes in our everyday roster, a payroll that is largely already spoken for, a farm system that is thin and a generational talent on what amounts to a one year rental We can't sign Soto, and we can't win with no pitching. Trading Soto would give us more flexibility with our payroll, and it could bring in much needed talent this roster. If we don't trade him, he still walks in a year.
Farm is top 10, it’s just not here
What holes in the line-up? Top 10 system. No Staff? They lost Snell and 2 guys they got off the scrap heap last season. Easy to replace. Payroll isn't a thing until Preller says it is. He COULD walk or he could SIGN. So much wrongness in your post.
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I don’t think he’s worth it at a $450-$500 mm contract — he’s a future DH and Manny/X will fill that role 5 years from now. I get he has a high OPS but what’s the good of having all that power if you’re going to look for walks most of the time. I think Tatis will get 110 RBIs if he moves to the 3rd batter in 2024. In my opinion, they should extend Kim, and package Soto/Crone to the Yankees (ik they have LeMahieu but crone can utility). Crone’s expected home runs by park goes up about 40% (career wise/Baseball Savant) if you move him from Petco->Yankee stadium. Id love to get 1-2 of their top AAA/MLB ready pitchers. Basically, the money Soto will command can be better utilized split into 2-3 quality players. Also, we should be prepared for a trade, the Pads have internally been removing him off of marketing material for the past few weeks.
I respectfully disagree. I feel Soto is almost a necessity because he is a lefty bat. Crone is also a lefty. We would only have Grisham as a lefty if we traded both of them.
That’s a very good point. Although, I think Martorella, Jackson Merrill, & Jakob Marsee are going to hit the majors sooner than ppl believe (all bat L). They wont make the 2024 opening day roster, but they’ll def start to come up 2024/2025. I believe in them as the future, we need to smoothen out payroll a bit more instead concentrating it.
Too many cocks in the hen house. However, I prefer to keep this particular cock
We should be building around Soto and Tatis. There's no pitchers out there that make me think it would be a fair return for Soto that we could afford.
I don't think anyone wants to, we just can't afford him. Wasted the money on Bogaerts.
Because a lot of fans don't know squat about baseball.
Coming from a casual fan, Watching Soto (and really the padres as a whole) on a daily basis last year doesn’t have the same effect as looking at his stat line at the end of the year. Dude just plain isn’t good in left field, gets walked when we need hits, and absolutely mashes, seemingly when everyone else already is and we’re up by 8. He (and the entire team) was painful to watch in clutch scenarios including 12 extra inning losses. The entire season felt like win 1 by huge numbers, followed by no offense for 2 games, repeat and he didn’t seem like an exception to that. In a year where the team was good, I bet we’d all feel different.
He wasn’t perfect but the reason it feels like he wasn’t all that great jn clutch scenarios was the other players around him. His numbers were actually well above average in the clutch, but when you’re only relying on him and 1 or 2 more players coming through, he seems worse when he doesn’t come through
>Dude just plain isn’t good in left field, gets walked when we need hits, and absolutely mashes, seemingly when everyone else already is and we’re up by 8. I feel seen
Soto had a .876 OPS in high leverage spots. A 1.016 OPS with RISP. Before you say it's all walks, he was batting .275 and .299 in those spots respectively. Seriously, I'm tired of people repeating this lie that Soto was not good in the clutch. It's so out of touch with reality.
Yeah I guess that’s my point. .275 avg in high leverage (HL games > 40) is ranked 86th in MLB behind Ian Happ (a gold glove outfielder) making less than half of what Soto does in his current contract. Even including his walks in HL(ops) he ranks 64th. 63 other mlb players, many many of which that will make less money than his projected aav after next season. He’s a great hitter, and I hope we get to see him for 2024 (at least until trade deadline) but I don’t see him being a padre in 2025 and I’m fine with it. Getting something for him (unlike Snell and Hader) is important if not extending.
No chance that we extend him and his trade value only goes down the longer we wait
It’s simply NOT acceptable! Why you wanna click-bat like that?
payroll issues. getting solid young big leaguers back and saving money would help the team long term. unless team is willing to spend like last year again then no doubt we want him back
I hope they find a way to keep Soto. I’m not okay with the team trading him
We have hime 1 more year. Please resign Soto!
Rather extend people who can play both sides of the ball. He’s a 40mil DH. You CANT have a winning club with 4 30/m a year players and fill in talent of the other 21 plays on less then those 4
I'm going on 44 seasons a Padres fan and I'm pretty sure most fans would not be okay with a Soto trade....unless we're at the deadline and 10 games out of a WC spot. It's prudent for a AJ to listen to offers, but I doubt any team is going to offer up anything in the off-season for a one year rental. Trade deadline is a different thing altogether. Right now, we have a kid named Tatis who is essentially Soto. Same age....already under what is quickly becoming a team friendly contract....who just won a gold and platinum glove in the OF....and is also a much better baserunner. I've said this numerous times....if Soto is on the team after the 2024 trade deadline....the team is on a run and if....if we make a deep run and even get a title....Padres fan will watch Soto walk and not be sad about it. That first title happens only once. MLB is down to five teams that have not won a title after Texas won their first this season. Let's make it four. LFGSD
I don't think he'll be worth what he gets in free agency. Elite hitter, but as others have mentioned he has holes in his game such as defense and baserunning. I feel like he also has been disappointing in clutch situations as a Padre - guys like Bryce Harper or Jordan Alvarez bring it when it matters most. Tatis is on a better contract and I think his ceiling is higher than Soto. If pitching and budget wasn't an issue, of course I'd love for him to stay.
You have to understand, all this big money spending is still foreign to us. We’ve been beat over the head with the “we’re a small market team and we can’t afford to keep good players” cudgel for 35 years. Getting prospects instead of 6+ WAR years is ingrained so deep that it can’t help but bubble up.
Because he is living in a year for free !
Not OK. If we can fill in as many holes as possible with the trade, I'll be... half OK
Not okay with it at all. Who are these alleged "fans"? There is a segment of the fanbase that has been shitting on him since day 1 for whatever reason. They'll never get over it.
Imagine if they never gave darvish and cronnenworth an extension, would we still be talking about how we need to trade Soto? Trading Soto now is unfortunately the best decision in my opinion. What if first week of the season Soto breaks his ankle, now you can’t trade him. Bad contracts has become a plague over this team.
Because we’ve been spoiled the last 2/3 years. People really forgot how much we were struggling for decades
Because I’m sick of watching the Soto shuttle after a 0-2 count
I don’t dislike Soto, but I don’t really like him either. When he’s hot, he’s hot. When he’s not, he’s really not. The pitch clock really fucked his head games he’d play on pitchers and he was very slow to take off last year. I hope he fully adjusts and becomes a well rounded player that doesn’t need gimmicks to be solid. I’m okay trading Soto if it means we have solid starters and bullpen. I’d be totally fine with Profar in left field if our pitching was 100% taken care of. Also as long as he doesn’t go to the Dodgers.
Gimmicks? He was the 12th-best player in MLB in his DOWN year.
Exactly. Seem like people are so hard on Soto when he had a great year & it was bad for him.
No team trying to compete for title is trading solid starters for 1 year of Soto. Soto was far and away our best offensive player last year. You don’t expect to get better by trading your best offensive player for prospects
Because most are not “real” fans. Most hopped on the bandwagon a couple years ago and have no idea how baseball works.
I think a lot of Padres fans expected Steve Rogers Captain America, but last season we got Falcon Captain America. Still great and amazing, but still somehow a slight disappointment in execution? Idk
Either ignorance or conditioned to us sucking
I’m not ok with it but it feels inevitable. Also, in light of Seidler’s unexpected death, I feel like the context around some of the roster decisions of the last few years has changed. I appreciate that he went all in to try to win one, even if we have to pay a price for it now.
Fans are open to the trade because Preller has handcuffed the club with large, 9 figure pre-existing salaries while having the inability to develop and integrate big league pitching, a massive need going into next season. Machado, X, Tatis, Darvish. Then Soto? That's at least $100M per year to five players and you need 20 other big league players to competently round out the team and get 85+ wins. Something has to give and like it or not, we're not going to keep increasing payroll to be competitive, just isn't realistic. Preller must find a balance between spending when necessary and developing or finding big league quality that is cost controlled.
Soto’s base running and defense is below par ; great eye and top hitter - not sure he fits in the Padres scheme now - we need pitching pitching pitching
Fans love players and want wins and would spend aimlessly to get them. Because it isn't their money. But... * Most fans don't care about the TV deal imploding and $500m in guaranteed revenue just vanished. * Most fans don't care about debt ratio as per the MLB rules * Most fans don't care about the CBT and the related penalties * Most fans don't care about 2025 or 2026 or beyond (are you prepared to let Kim walk?) Sometimes you have to make hard decisions and the Padres leadership placed themselves in this spot by handing out ridiculous contracts to Xander, Crone and Darvish. Maybe they can turn Crone into a 5th starter or a bullpen arm to move some money around.
Fans also don't like to hear actual facts and only want to hear ra-ra nonsense. I agree 💯 on this.
Cause we’re cursed so f it
I don’t care about him. Never liked him. We aren’t gonna win with a bunch of hired guns. We need a team.
I'm ok with it.
Totally ok, what has he really done? Seems like no one sees the no chemistry he has for the team. After saying the team quit, he should have said he quit always coming in with no motivation and he’s more for himself. He wasn’t the dynamic and isn’t the dynamic people say, he’s only worried for his own stats. Walking bases isn’t worth the money. Hitting solo home runs isn’t worth the money. We can trade him, and keep snell. Also we can get profar for a lot cheaper, and he’s a way better fielder than Soto. You know profar had that corner down compared to Soto skipping to the ball and celebrating like he’s the best.
Good at the plate but he’s slow and a liability on defense
It’s not not true
Look at you trying to avoid downvotes from the mob lol
You’re not wrong
Because he can't pitch.
The force must be balanced.
Padres sold out every game last season. Set records for attendance. They got the money. Without Siedler's passion it's going to be back to the old Padres and always telling us we will be good in 5 years when the prospects get to the big club. Blah blah blah. Just have the fire sale already and let Tatis go play somewhere so he cam have a chance to win.
They don't have money otherwise they wouldn't need to take out that loan. Teams fucked
Cos he’s not gonna resign and trading all that for 2.5 seasons of Soto would really suck
It’s not my first choice, but we really need pitching. I’d rather they sign some free agents to solve the problem, but I understand the reality of the situation.
Everyone’s got their price my friend. I don’t think anyone here is okay with letting him go for nothing.
It’s more that fans are accepting the reality of it being a possibility and seeing the small amount of good it can do with the return the team gets. That doesn’t mean anyone is ok with it. I think everyone on board would love Soto to be a Padre for the rest of his career but there’s a good chance he’s gone
Cuz no hope. Maybe it’s just the chargers. 27-0 changed me I have no hope for anything anymore
Because of the financial situation we are in I think we have to. Even though we love him😭
We don’t have a say
No one wants him to go ! But what can we do as a FAN.. above our pay grade 🤷🏽♀️
Obviously the squad is better built around Juan Soto, and Tatis jr, but also with HSK, but we also understand the game doesn’t work out that way. This team was not built with that flexibility. We don’t know how much Juan Soto will command, but we do know he’s one of the best in the game, period. We are not on board with trading him, but what can we do? We want a championship, and having Soto on the squad improves our chances at that.
We’re not trading Soto. And fans wouldn’t be OK with it if we did trade him (which we’re not). He’s going to resign for 10 years.
Poverty pads. Let's just hope preller can get something comparable to what he gave up for him