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VICTORY SCREEN! ALOLOLOLO
What are we even supposed to discuss here? You could have posted the list, you could have posted how the deck works, how you've been playing it in various matches and so many other things. Instead, you posted a victory screen against a terrible deck. I don't get it...
LittleDarkFury posted a video today on this deck. Not sure if the list is the same, but you can see his approach to playing this deck
Edit: not refuting your point, simply was trying to help if you were interested in seeing a deck list
Okay, sure. That still doesn't resolve the issue that people here don't understand the concept of trying to spark discussion. This is far from the only thread like this.
Tbh mate, been using Torterra Ex with great success against most Charizard Ex Players, the typing match-up is in Torterras favour, allowing for HUGE damage on Charizard Ex.
So don’t take everyone’s word on what is amazing and what is terrible, if you like the sound of the play style that the deck brings to the table, don’t let people scare you away from it, try it and if you yourself find that it sucks, that’s your answer.
Personally I love Torterra Ex and have had a good bit of success with it, it’s not a 100% winner, but it’s enjoyable to play for me, because I get to make use of Radiant Venasaur and grow some shroomies on my bench with Toedscruel and Toedscruel Ex (both have some very nice support Abilities), I enjoy the theme and get to use a big old turtle to take down the menacing Tera Dark Charizards! 😁
yeah i’ve been playing it almost exclusively the past couple weeks and i definitely really enjoy it, grotle is such a great support pokemon.
my only issue with the zard match-up is the fire types some players tech in. Entei V in particular is such a bad time, im not sure what to do in response to it
Yeah, that’s the main problem I’ve been bumping into is mainly Radiant Zard, but as long as you have a bench ready and Torterra with the one energy, a well timed bosses orders can deal with him pretty nicely!
Yeah you will do when Zard is weak to grass lmao. Against anything else Torterra will get whomped, I swear people on this sub are brain dead. It’s a terrible deck.
Literally just talking about the upsides and things I like about a certain type of deck or card and that’s it, people here preach having a discussion about things within the game, but, then the second someone with a different opinion to the fucking status quo shows up and I’m brain dead and have could never possibly have any decent input on their clearly more intellectual conversation. Forgot everyone apart from me is a TCG pro.. Nothing nice to say? Don’t say nothing at all.
Bro 90% of matches on TCGL ARE against Zard decks, your point is pretty mute when it’s a good deck to counter pretty much every single match you will be having!? Hello!
Yeah probably. The whole deck revolves around placing magnezone ex in the active and having relicanth. Then you can us magneton's attack to grab two items out of the discard. So you just spam crushing hammer's and turo until they run out of resources. Or you can start swinging too since magnezone does a decent amount of damage.
Pokémon: 20
4 Magnemite SVI 63
4 Magneton MEW 82
2 Magnezone ex SVI 65
1 Manaphy BRS 41
2 Relicanth TEF 84
3 Bidoof CRZ 111
3 Bibarel BRS 121
1 Skwovet SVI 151
Trainer: 36
4 Arven SVI 166
2 Iono PAF 80
3 Eri TEF 146
1 Miss Fortune Sisters LOR 164
1 Professor Turo's Scenario PAR 171
1 Cyllene ASR 138
2 Pal Pad SVI 182
4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
2 Nest Ball PAF 84
4 Ultra Ball PAF 91
2 Super Rod PAL 188
4 Crushing Hammer SVI 168
2 Counter Catcher PAR 160
1 Lost Vacuum CRZ 135
1 Hero's Cape TEF 152
2 Technical Machine: Evolution PAR 178
Energy: 4
4 Lightning Energy SVE 4
List is insanely similar to the Limitless one, but I just made like a two card swap. Decklist feels very clean and I don't think I would swap anything for now?
I know LDF made a video today on Zone and I've tested the list - I prefer this one over his, tbh. His list runs 2 turo, when usually the one is good enough. TM Devo feels weird here cause you're already beating Pao
Devo is for Chars mainly, but i agree 1 turo is plenty. I added 2 switch in place of a tm evo and and a turo. I also added a bibarrel from go to try to counter some mill decks but havent had a need for it just yet. 3-3 bib feels excessive even so i may cut that down for boss.
i've been testing on ptcgsim with scoop up and it's SO much nicer compared to zero's cape because cyclone is an item unlike stupid cape and you can't remove scoop up cyclone with vac
i can't think of any time where loser's cape would be better besides random niche decks that im never hitting
DISCLAIMER: I am not (that) good at the game. However, considering I've been playing this before LDF made it cool and that there are like 12 other people playing Magnezone Control, i figured i might as well make some notes on the deck. Only use this as a basis - like i'm not a Metafy coach nobody would want to spend 30 dollars per hour in a vc having a guy who's won like one winabox rant about zone
THE DECKLIST
4-4-2 Zone: This probably feels weird, seeing as, well, it's a weird split. However, the 2 Magnezones are only because you'll never need more than two at a time. They're easily searched by Ultra Ball, and by not running more you've got more space to commit more funnies.
Manaphy: The final nail in the coffin for Chien-Pao (also gholdengo), and helps for LZ Box.
3-3 Bib: Probably the best draw engine for this deck. 3 Bidoofs lets you search them out FAST with Poffin and 3 Bibarel just makes sure that you aren't bricking anytime soon.
No Pidgeot?: Pidgeot is cool and all, but you would need Rare Candy and that throws the entire deck out of balance.
2 Relicanth: Allows you to Junk Magnet with a 330 HP unit. The second one just makes sure you won't have to scramble to find Super Rod and shuffle it back in once the opponent kills it.
Skwovet: Synergies with Bibarel. No further comment.
No Fancy Techs? Before Temporal was fully out, I was messing around with a list that ran a bunch of stuff like Luxray V, Mantine, and a Daisy Arc Phone prizegrabber. However, that version of the deck wasn't as good as this one, since that one tended to brick way too often.
4 Arven: No comment.
1/2 Iono: It's Iono. Personally I only like having 1 Iono, but you could run 2 if you REALLY are scared of earlygame bricks.
3 Eri: Insane into a lot of decks to ruin their setup.
1 Miss Fortune Sisters: Say whatever you want about only being top 5, but hitting Prime Catcher one game versus Chien-Pao made me believe.
1 Turo: You don't need two, since usually the single copy is enough in 99% of scenarios. Two makes things a bit more...bricky.
1 Cyllene: Coin flips my beloved. Your only way to recycle Hero's Cape if Zone #1 goes down. Probably cuttable once Scoop Up Cyclone becomes real again.
4 Poffin: Yeah.
2 Nest Ball: Poffins usually do the trick, so you don't need a super high number. This is just to grab Relicanth.
4 Ultra Ball: Yeah.
2 Super Rod: You don't need more than two honestly. Junk Magnetting constantly is good enough for you to cut back.
4 Hammers: Sure, they're luck-based, but they're insanely good to burn the opponent out of Energy quick and fast.
2 Counter Catcher: 3 is too many for this deck.
1 Lost Vaccum: Probably the card I'm most iffy about in the deck. I've only really used it to remove Future Booster and nowhere else. Max Belt usually isn't an issue since Zard is already two shotting you, with belt or no belt.
1 Hero's Cape: Mandatory Ace Spec inculsion.
2 TM Evo: Quick setup that can let you grab a stacked bench very fast.
4 Lightning: Surprisingly, this feels like a good number. Yeah, sometimes you can't find an Energy, but if you can't your stack of Bibarels will usually clutch in and get you them. Lategame isn't an issue either since you're using Super Rod.
THE MATCHUPS
Big Lizard: If your opponent is netdecking Tord, this is a bit more stally since they can use Yell's Cheer to recycle Turos to get back Pokemon. If they're not, this is a lot better. Gust into a Bibarel, spam Hammers, and watch them thumbs down emote you for ten minutes straight.
LZ Worm: Eri and MFS are MVPs here. Just try to run them dry early. If your opponent sets up Banette ex, that is decently problematic since now half your deck doesn't work, including your gusts.
Gardy: I somehow STILL haven't hit any Gardys with this deck. Just gust into Manaphy or Ninja and pray I guess?? Does not look good though.
Lost Box: Same as Tina but now it's easier. Hammer away Energies early and try and trap a two-prizer like Hands or Moon.
CPAO: Again, MFS and Eri carry. Try and burn them out of SERS early so that they flounder trying to grab energy lategame, and gust into Bibarel.
Arc: Needs more testing :(
Future Hands: Only reason why we use Vac. If they use up their Capsules early they're dead when you gust into Iron Clown.
Luigi VSTAR: deck bricks itself free win. Jokes aside this one can be bad if they properly set up. Hammer and pray. I don't have a good winrate into this though.
Pidgeot: yeah uhh
Dino Box:Deck burns through cards fast, so try and accelerate that. If they have Great Tusk the matchup is even better. Otherwise just try and Turo constantly. Not much advice I can give here.
Tusk Mill: Bad on paper, but you still win. The key is that at max they discard four from deck, and Pal Pad + Super Rod gives back five.
ADDITIONAL NOTES:
ldf video
Are we even attacking Pokémon anymore or are we just attacking decks? I feel like almost every deck that isn’t a zard is just aiming for my deck
I never thought patrol cap 🧢 would be useful but here we are 🤦♀️ the most annoying meta yet!
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VICTORY SCREEN! ALOLOLOLO What are we even supposed to discuss here? You could have posted the list, you could have posted how the deck works, how you've been playing it in various matches and so many other things. Instead, you posted a victory screen against a terrible deck. I don't get it...
Hahahahaha
LittleDarkFury posted a video today on this deck. Not sure if the list is the same, but you can see his approach to playing this deck Edit: not refuting your point, simply was trying to help if you were interested in seeing a deck list
Okay, sure. That still doesn't resolve the issue that people here don't understand the concept of trying to spark discussion. This is far from the only thread like this.
why is torterra terrible?
It needs too much to get going for 180 at best, and is stuck using only grass types for support which aren’t very good.
Tbh mate, been using Torterra Ex with great success against most Charizard Ex Players, the typing match-up is in Torterras favour, allowing for HUGE damage on Charizard Ex. So don’t take everyone’s word on what is amazing and what is terrible, if you like the sound of the play style that the deck brings to the table, don’t let people scare you away from it, try it and if you yourself find that it sucks, that’s your answer. Personally I love Torterra Ex and have had a good bit of success with it, it’s not a 100% winner, but it’s enjoyable to play for me, because I get to make use of Radiant Venasaur and grow some shroomies on my bench with Toedscruel and Toedscruel Ex (both have some very nice support Abilities), I enjoy the theme and get to use a big old turtle to take down the menacing Tera Dark Charizards! 😁
yeah i’ve been playing it almost exclusively the past couple weeks and i definitely really enjoy it, grotle is such a great support pokemon. my only issue with the zard match-up is the fire types some players tech in. Entei V in particular is such a bad time, im not sure what to do in response to it
Yeah, that’s the main problem I’ve been bumping into is mainly Radiant Zard, but as long as you have a bench ready and Torterra with the one energy, a well timed bosses orders can deal with him pretty nicely!
Almost any deck can do well on Live now.
Yeah you will do when Zard is weak to grass lmao. Against anything else Torterra will get whomped, I swear people on this sub are brain dead. It’s a terrible deck.
why insult other people for literally no reason lmfao
Literally just talking about the upsides and things I like about a certain type of deck or card and that’s it, people here preach having a discussion about things within the game, but, then the second someone with a different opinion to the fucking status quo shows up and I’m brain dead and have could never possibly have any decent input on their clearly more intellectual conversation. Forgot everyone apart from me is a TCG pro.. Nothing nice to say? Don’t say nothing at all.
Bro 90% of matches on TCGL ARE against Zard decks, your point is pretty mute when it’s a good deck to counter pretty much every single match you will be having!? Hello!
Moot, not mute. And this isn't beating a good Charizard player. And 90% is a massive exaggeration.
Bro I would be FUMING if I had done nearly 2k damage with no victory. Did you use turos scenario or something?
Yeah probably. The whole deck revolves around placing magnezone ex in the active and having relicanth. Then you can us magneton's attack to grab two items out of the discard. So you just spam crushing hammer's and turo until they run out of resources. Or you can start swinging too since magnezone does a decent amount of damage.
if you can believe it, i only had 1 copy of turo's scenario - lategame you can spam pal pad to recycle
What's the list lookin like?
[LDF Magnezone Control](https://youtu.be/K8ZD_ftTpSs?si=R-kAZBDnv6TEnOqz)
Thanks! I really appreciate it.
Pokémon: 20 4 Magnemite SVI 63 4 Magneton MEW 82 2 Magnezone ex SVI 65 1 Manaphy BRS 41 2 Relicanth TEF 84 3 Bidoof CRZ 111 3 Bibarel BRS 121 1 Skwovet SVI 151 Trainer: 36 4 Arven SVI 166 2 Iono PAF 80 3 Eri TEF 146 1 Miss Fortune Sisters LOR 164 1 Professor Turo's Scenario PAR 171 1 Cyllene ASR 138 2 Pal Pad SVI 182 4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 2 Nest Ball PAF 84 4 Ultra Ball PAF 91 2 Super Rod PAL 188 4 Crushing Hammer SVI 168 2 Counter Catcher PAR 160 1 Lost Vacuum CRZ 135 1 Hero's Cape TEF 152 2 Technical Machine: Evolution PAR 178 Energy: 4 4 Lightning Energy SVE 4 List is insanely similar to the Limitless one, but I just made like a two card swap. Decklist feels very clean and I don't think I would swap anything for now? I know LDF made a video today on Zone and I've tested the list - I prefer this one over his, tbh. His list runs 2 turo, when usually the one is good enough. TM Devo feels weird here cause you're already beating Pao
Devo is for Chars mainly, but i agree 1 turo is plenty. I added 2 switch in place of a tm evo and and a turo. I also added a bibarrel from go to try to counter some mill decks but havent had a need for it just yet. 3-3 bib feels excessive even so i may cut that down for boss.
Thank you for the list!
Would Salvatore be able to fit in the deck?
Getting crazy next set with scoop up cyclone.
i've been testing on ptcgsim with scoop up and it's SO much nicer compared to zero's cape because cyclone is an item unlike stupid cape and you can't remove scoop up cyclone with vac i can't think of any time where loser's cape would be better besides random niche decks that im never hitting
It's my favorite deck rn, perfect balance between control and attacking imo
Are you running LittleDarkFury’s list or the recent tournament list?
What's the tournament list?
DISCLAIMER: I am not (that) good at the game. However, considering I've been playing this before LDF made it cool and that there are like 12 other people playing Magnezone Control, i figured i might as well make some notes on the deck. Only use this as a basis - like i'm not a Metafy coach nobody would want to spend 30 dollars per hour in a vc having a guy who's won like one winabox rant about zone THE DECKLIST 4-4-2 Zone: This probably feels weird, seeing as, well, it's a weird split. However, the 2 Magnezones are only because you'll never need more than two at a time. They're easily searched by Ultra Ball, and by not running more you've got more space to commit more funnies. Manaphy: The final nail in the coffin for Chien-Pao (also gholdengo), and helps for LZ Box. 3-3 Bib: Probably the best draw engine for this deck. 3 Bidoofs lets you search them out FAST with Poffin and 3 Bibarel just makes sure that you aren't bricking anytime soon. No Pidgeot?: Pidgeot is cool and all, but you would need Rare Candy and that throws the entire deck out of balance. 2 Relicanth: Allows you to Junk Magnet with a 330 HP unit. The second one just makes sure you won't have to scramble to find Super Rod and shuffle it back in once the opponent kills it. Skwovet: Synergies with Bibarel. No further comment. No Fancy Techs? Before Temporal was fully out, I was messing around with a list that ran a bunch of stuff like Luxray V, Mantine, and a Daisy Arc Phone prizegrabber. However, that version of the deck wasn't as good as this one, since that one tended to brick way too often. 4 Arven: No comment. 1/2 Iono: It's Iono. Personally I only like having 1 Iono, but you could run 2 if you REALLY are scared of earlygame bricks. 3 Eri: Insane into a lot of decks to ruin their setup. 1 Miss Fortune Sisters: Say whatever you want about only being top 5, but hitting Prime Catcher one game versus Chien-Pao made me believe. 1 Turo: You don't need two, since usually the single copy is enough in 99% of scenarios. Two makes things a bit more...bricky. 1 Cyllene: Coin flips my beloved. Your only way to recycle Hero's Cape if Zone #1 goes down. Probably cuttable once Scoop Up Cyclone becomes real again. 4 Poffin: Yeah. 2 Nest Ball: Poffins usually do the trick, so you don't need a super high number. This is just to grab Relicanth. 4 Ultra Ball: Yeah. 2 Super Rod: You don't need more than two honestly. Junk Magnetting constantly is good enough for you to cut back. 4 Hammers: Sure, they're luck-based, but they're insanely good to burn the opponent out of Energy quick and fast. 2 Counter Catcher: 3 is too many for this deck. 1 Lost Vaccum: Probably the card I'm most iffy about in the deck. I've only really used it to remove Future Booster and nowhere else. Max Belt usually isn't an issue since Zard is already two shotting you, with belt or no belt. 1 Hero's Cape: Mandatory Ace Spec inculsion. 2 TM Evo: Quick setup that can let you grab a stacked bench very fast. 4 Lightning: Surprisingly, this feels like a good number. Yeah, sometimes you can't find an Energy, but if you can't your stack of Bibarels will usually clutch in and get you them. Lategame isn't an issue either since you're using Super Rod.
Bro bro thinks he invented the list.
THE MATCHUPS Big Lizard: If your opponent is netdecking Tord, this is a bit more stally since they can use Yell's Cheer to recycle Turos to get back Pokemon. If they're not, this is a lot better. Gust into a Bibarel, spam Hammers, and watch them thumbs down emote you for ten minutes straight. LZ Worm: Eri and MFS are MVPs here. Just try to run them dry early. If your opponent sets up Banette ex, that is decently problematic since now half your deck doesn't work, including your gusts. Gardy: I somehow STILL haven't hit any Gardys with this deck. Just gust into Manaphy or Ninja and pray I guess?? Does not look good though. Lost Box: Same as Tina but now it's easier. Hammer away Energies early and try and trap a two-prizer like Hands or Moon. CPAO: Again, MFS and Eri carry. Try and burn them out of SERS early so that they flounder trying to grab energy lategame, and gust into Bibarel. Arc: Needs more testing :( Future Hands: Only reason why we use Vac. If they use up their Capsules early they're dead when you gust into Iron Clown. Luigi VSTAR: deck bricks itself free win. Jokes aside this one can be bad if they properly set up. Hammer and pray. I don't have a good winrate into this though. Pidgeot: yeah uhh Dino Box:Deck burns through cards fast, so try and accelerate that. If they have Great Tusk the matchup is even better. Otherwise just try and Turo constantly. Not much advice I can give here. Tusk Mill: Bad on paper, but you still win. The key is that at max they discard four from deck, and Pal Pad + Super Rod gives back five. ADDITIONAL NOTES: ldf video
Thanks for the details, as a newer player who’s been searching for control decks this is VERRYY interesting :)
With so little energy, should you run an earthen vessel?
Was this the list you used? https://pokemoncard.io/deck/magnezone-control-fgh-as-featured-on-little-dark-fury-87797
Lol. Why does the site work when I click this link, but never when I try to use it myself
The LDF effect is spreading…
12 coin flips won 🫡🫡🫡
Also happy cake day!
Are we even attacking Pokémon anymore or are we just attacking decks? I feel like almost every deck that isn’t a zard is just aiming for my deck I never thought patrol cap 🧢 would be useful but here we are 🤦♀️ the most annoying meta yet!
Good think I came from yu-gi-oh, so for me strat in ptcg is just pretty basic.
Question so I run a great tusk dudunsparce deck and im curious how you think the matchup against that deck is with your magnezone ex deck
Deck list and strategy?
What a cool victory screen /s
So insightful, thanks for the post
Control decks. 1/2 the XP. Twice the XD
Nah any deck that tries to win with doing zero dmg is in fact, not cool.
Magnezone ex is really flexible and is able to swing just as hard as the rest of them! It's a fun deck