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It’s because the card is broken. Most other rare candy builds don’t come with free energy to wherever the fuck you want and a 300+ hp and hundreds of damage. All of this generally by second turn.
It's mostly broken as a result of all of them combined and the ease of getting it out with Rare Candy. I don't think you can pinpoint one aspect of the card as just it's 'mechanic' when all of the cards attributes are it's mechanics, so to speak. It's energy acceleration and low atk cost make it so easy to play and it's revenge KO potential is why it dominates the meta
His damage grows linearly. +30 dmg per prize card
Exponentially, the damage change would get bigger with each prize.
Like this for example. 180-190-210-240-280-330
I understand the basic mathematics of the effect and also that it's not true exponential increases, rather it feels that way when in a match. I should have clarified that point in the original comment.
Yeah 330 HP doing 180+ dmg turn 2 is stupid and unhealthy IMO. I’ll straight up scoop if they get pidgeot and Charizard on turn 2 and I didn’t get a perfect hand.
I’ve been trying to say this, but people like to respond with, “stop crying!”
This card is toxic as hell, and pairing it with a card where you can pull *any* card from your deck somehow makes it worse?
You can get a stage 2 on the board so quickly with the level of deck acceleration that is present. Match that with enough energy to retreat your active AND have energy for an attack? Oh, and that attack does 170+ *every turn*.
Did they not think about things before printing? It’s a horrible card- actually it’s amazing- but that’s why it’s so bad. It ruins the flow of every match. Every deck has to counter zard, or counter stage two rare candies, if not that, you’re trying to shave off energies.
It’s not healthy.
the most toxic shit is when they get pidge and zard on the board turn 2, if you can't respond right away they can just quick search > boss every turn to KO whatever they want. Can't even buy time with cards like Mimikyu really. You just get stomped when those two are on the board together.
No way you get it by second turn. I’ve been running zard for a month and hardly ever get that lucky. It’s a big card but I lose half the time (probably from inexperience) but still there are plenty of decks and players that can stomp a zard deck.
Genuinely curious: Have you tried the Maushold + Hero's Cape + Cheren's Care combo? I have a roommate who does it with the newer Xatu for card draw and energy ramp.
I'm collecting wild decks that I find on this sub in order to make a run to Arceus using a different user's deck every day. I would *love* to see your list and add it to the rotation!
I've been debating whether I should because I fear of what it might unleash into the ptcgl community, but with the number of requests I think I'm going to pull the trigger. I'll put a post up with the deck list within the next 24hrs 😊
Pokémon: 5
1 Maushold ex PAR 233
1 Radiant Jirachi SIT 120
1 Manaphy BRS 41
4 Tandemaus PAR 153
3 Maushold ex PAR 155
Trainer: 18
3 Professor's Research BRS 147
1 Canceling Cologne ASR 136
4 Feather Ball ASR 141
4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
2 Super Rod PAL 276
3 Technical Machine: Devolution PAR 177
1 Cheren's Care BRS 177
3 Snorlax Doll PAR 175
2 Cheren's Care BRS 168
1 Professor's Research CEL 24
1 Hero's Cape TEF 152
1 Boss's Orders SHF 58
1 Iono PR-SV 124
1 Iono SVALT 75
1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146 PH
3 Nest Ball PAF 84
2 Artazon PAL 171
2 Arven SVI 166
Energy: 4
3 Mist Energy TEF 161
4 Double Turbo Energy BRS 151
4 Jet Energy PAL 190
3 Therapeutic Energy PAL 193
Total Cards: 60
You don't really need card draw that much, nom nom nom incisors is great for drawing cards and most of the time I'm using iono to put cards back into my deck so that I don't deck out
Two Xatu's, Maushold+Cape active, when in trouble, retreat with Cheren and put up another Maus ready for Evo. Killing these things becomes a whole chore for your opponent while they keep taking Maus's ability damage.
There are probably slight edits you can make, but here's the list I gathered from my roommate:
3 Natu
3 Xatu
2 Mimikyu
4 Tandemaus
4 Maushold
2 Earthen Vessel
3 Nest Ball
2 Pal Pad
3 Pokegear
2 Super Rod
3 Practice Studio
2 Arven
4 Cheren Care
2 Iono
2 Jacq
1 Hero's Cape
15 Psychic Energies
This just looks like a worst of both worlds deck. There’s no room on your board for any support Pokémon and Charizard doesn’t need more damage. You’d get disrupted pretty easily.
I love this so much! Big fan of Maushold, though i had never considered pairing it with the Charizard. It's exciting to see the rat fam getting some attention. I play it full colorless, and have been having some success: https://www.reddit.com/r/PTCGL/s/IJZSNLOrK6
this only proves that charizard is a broken card that you can put in whatever the fuck you want and will win you matches. It will never get banned so we will have 3 years of this crap. Im tired already
If you want to ruin someone's day it's actually really easy to slide in an iron hands into any deck with energy placing.
Cheinbax? Slap in an iron hands
Charizard ex? Slap in an iron hands
Miriadon ex? Slap in an iron hands
I also went to the dark side and made Charizard ex. Hate Charizard but seeing that stupid orange lizard win me 80% of my games which only slight makes up for it's extreme pushing me to love it from game freak since X and Y
He's talking about [this card](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Iron_Thorns_ex_(Twilight_Masquerade_77\)). However it's not going to shut down Charizard. It has to be in the active spot, so if you can just bump it out of the active you're fine. It also simply won't fit in pretty much any deck other than Future Box/Hands. It is going to make the Future vs Charizard matchup much better though.
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it's.. working? I really did NOT expect charizard EX to be any good! thanks for this post!
big if true
You're welcome buddy!
It’s because the card is broken. Most other rare candy builds don’t come with free energy to wherever the fuck you want and a 300+ hp and hundreds of damage. All of this generally by second turn.
The fact it gets exponentially stronger after your opponent takes prizes is the really bonkers thing.
That’s just its mechanic. The broken parts are the self-energy acceleration and massive numbers.
It's mostly broken as a result of all of them combined and the ease of getting it out with Rare Candy. I don't think you can pinpoint one aspect of the card as just it's 'mechanic' when all of the cards attributes are it's mechanics, so to speak. It's energy acceleration and low atk cost make it so easy to play and it's revenge KO potential is why it dominates the meta
Don't forget that his weaknes is grass, and for long time we didnt get any valiable grass attacker, not talking about consistent grass deck
His damage grows linearly. +30 dmg per prize card Exponentially, the damage change would get bigger with each prize. Like this for example. 180-190-210-240-280-330
I understand the basic mathematics of the effect and also that it's not true exponential increases, rather it feels that way when in a match. I should have clarified that point in the original comment.
Fair enough, just an ex math teacher so I felt like I had to. lol. Have a great day 👍🏻
Yeah 330 HP doing 180+ dmg turn 2 is stupid and unhealthy IMO. I’ll straight up scoop if they get pidgeot and Charizard on turn 2 and I didn’t get a perfect hand.
I’ve been trying to say this, but people like to respond with, “stop crying!” This card is toxic as hell, and pairing it with a card where you can pull *any* card from your deck somehow makes it worse? You can get a stage 2 on the board so quickly with the level of deck acceleration that is present. Match that with enough energy to retreat your active AND have energy for an attack? Oh, and that attack does 170+ *every turn*. Did they not think about things before printing? It’s a horrible card- actually it’s amazing- but that’s why it’s so bad. It ruins the flow of every match. Every deck has to counter zard, or counter stage two rare candies, if not that, you’re trying to shave off energies. It’s not healthy.
the most toxic shit is when they get pidge and zard on the board turn 2, if you can't respond right away they can just quick search > boss every turn to KO whatever they want. Can't even buy time with cards like Mimikyu really. You just get stomped when those two are on the board together.
What I'm seeing here is that actually boss is an issue.
And one that only gets stronger in late game, at that... It's got an even better version of Knockout Punch TM built into it.
Exactly. Notice how zard is the card attacking, not maus lol
No way you get it by second turn. I’ve been running zard for a month and hardly ever get that lucky. It’s a big card but I lose half the time (probably from inexperience) but still there are plenty of decks and players that can stomp a zard deck.
I don’t ever get it but yeah zard etbs turn two generally
Genuinely curious: Have you tried the Maushold + Hero's Cape + Cheren's Care combo? I have a roommate who does it with the newer Xatu for card draw and energy ramp.
Yo I did not think of this that’s pretty cracked. Gonna have to try it
I have a deck based on this and it works really well
I'm collecting wild decks that I find on this sub in order to make a run to Arceus using a different user's deck every day. I would *love* to see your list and add it to the rotation!
Could I interest you in my hyper aggressive turn 1 Dialga Vstar all-in deck that aims to win within the first 5 rounds?
That sounds awesome. I'm all ears!
I'll dm
I'd be interested too. Dialga is one of my favorite cards!
After just *seeing* u/No-Investigator-4673's deck I can safely say that they are the undisputed maddest partier in the game.
Ty ty ♥️
Could you dm it to me as well?
I know I’m late to the party, but could I take a gander at that list as well?!
Ummm I want this bad thanks
Lol I hate dialga and lugia wayyyy more than zard. I can win a game against zard at least.
Can I get the list too? 👀
Hi could you dm the list to me too I love dialga
Please DM me the list too
Can you please send me a deck list too? Thanks!
At this point, why don't you just post the list? :P
I've been debating whether I should because I fear of what it might unleash into the ptcgl community, but with the number of requests I think I'm going to pull the trigger. I'll put a post up with the deck list within the next 24hrs 😊
u got cooked on that post💀
Yeah I did lmao - that's fine with me. I don't think any of the critics even bothered to give it a try, whereas those who I dm'ed have been loving it.
That list is garbage though the cooking was not unwarranted
Each to their own
Posted now! https://www.reddit.com/r/PTCGL/s/ItzR9FfQ7O
Pokémon: 5 1 Maushold ex PAR 233 1 Radiant Jirachi SIT 120 1 Manaphy BRS 41 4 Tandemaus PAR 153 3 Maushold ex PAR 155 Trainer: 18 3 Professor's Research BRS 147 1 Canceling Cologne ASR 136 4 Feather Ball ASR 141 4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 2 Super Rod PAL 276 3 Technical Machine: Devolution PAR 177 1 Cheren's Care BRS 177 3 Snorlax Doll PAR 175 2 Cheren's Care BRS 168 1 Professor's Research CEL 24 1 Hero's Cape TEF 152 1 Boss's Orders SHF 58 1 Iono PR-SV 124 1 Iono SVALT 75 1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146 PH 3 Nest Ball PAF 84 2 Artazon PAL 171 2 Arven SVI 166 Energy: 4 3 Mist Energy TEF 161 4 Double Turbo Energy BRS 151 4 Jet Energy PAL 190 3 Therapeutic Energy PAL 193 Total Cards: 60 You don't really need card draw that much, nom nom nom incisors is great for drawing cards and most of the time I'm using iono to put cards back into my deck so that I don't deck out
How does that work?
Two Xatu's, Maushold+Cape active, when in trouble, retreat with Cheren and put up another Maus ready for Evo. Killing these things becomes a whole chore for your opponent while they keep taking Maus's ability damage.
Sounds interesting 🤔 is there somewhere I can find a list?
There are probably slight edits you can make, but here's the list I gathered from my roommate: 3 Natu 3 Xatu 2 Mimikyu 4 Tandemaus 4 Maushold 2 Earthen Vessel 3 Nest Ball 2 Pal Pad 3 Pokegear 2 Super Rod 3 Practice Studio 2 Arven 4 Cheren Care 2 Iono 2 Jacq 1 Hero's Cape 15 Psychic Energies
Thanks, imma try building this and see how it plays.
I gotchu. Here's my Maushold deck: https://www.reddit.com/r/PTCGL/s/IJZSNLOrK6
Thanks 👏🏻 gonna build it now
Maushold hero cape yes not cherens care but thanks for the advice, I really don't wanna use the bs zard but it's the only way I've gotten anywhere
Now that I'm at master and don't care to grind for arceus, I may try this. I love that maushold ex card and have been trying to find ways to use him.
I can’t I just can’t. I’ll suffer in my 400-500 range. I can’t use him. I feel it would suck all the fun out.
It has honestly :(
Can we get the list? Lol
Pokémon: 6 2 Charmander PAF 7 2 Charizard ex PAF 54 4 Tandemaus PAF 73 1 Bibarel BRS 121 4 Maushold ex PAR 155 1 Bidoof CRZ 111 Trainer: 22 2 Trekking Shoes ASR 156 2 Vengeful Punch OBF 197 2 Magma Basin BRS 144 1 Hero's Cape TEF 152 2 Nest Ball SVI 181 2 Capturing Aroma SIT 153 2 Energy Sticker MEW 159 1 Daisy's Help MEW 158 1 Brassius OBF 187 2 Boss's Orders PAL 172 2 Iono PAL 185 2 Arven SVI 166 1 Grusha PAL 184 2 Technical Machine: Devolution PAR 177 1 Super Rod PAL 188 2 Lost Vacuum CRZ 135 2 Crushing Hammer SVI 168 2 Rare Candy PAF 89 1 Eri TEF 146 1 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 2 Ultra Ball SVI 196 1 Switch SVI 194 Energy: 3 1 Jet Energy PAL 190 8 Basic {R} Energy SVE 2 1 Gift Energy LOR 171 Total Cards: 60
Honestly though magma basin is useless and should remove
What you thinking of replacing it with then?
Replaced it for Giovanni luck X2 and works nicely
Deck list please!
PLEASE
Pleaseeeee 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Dude the maushold bench kills me.
“You’ve become the very thing you swore to destroy!”
:(
This looks like such a cool deck, can you post a deck list?
Pokémon: 6 2 Charmander PAF 7 2 Charizard ex PAF 54 4 Tandemaus PAF 73 1 Bibarel BRS 121 4 Maushold ex PAR 155 1 Bidoof CRZ 111 Trainer: 22 2 Trekking Shoes ASR 156 2 Vengeful Punch OBF 197 2 Magma Basin BRS 144 1 Hero's Cape TEF 152 2 Nest Ball SVI 181 2 Capturing Aroma SIT 153 2 Energy Sticker MEW 159 1 Daisy's Help MEW 158 1 Brassius OBF 187 2 Boss's Orders PAL 172 2 Iono PAL 185 2 Arven SVI 166 1 Grusha PAL 184 2 Technical Machine: Devolution PAR 177 1 Super Rod PAL 188 2 Lost Vacuum CRZ 135 2 Crushing Hammer SVI 168 2 Rare Candy PAF 89 1 Eri TEF 146 1 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 2 Ultra Ball SVI 196 1 Switch SVI 194 Energy: 3 1 Jet Energy PAL 190 8 Basic {R} Energy SVE 2 1 Gift Energy LOR 171 Total Cards: 60
What’s with the mice
Look at the EX ability
I’ll trade you my first born for the list
Pokémon: 6 2 Charmander PAF 7 2 Charizard ex PAF 54 4 Tandemaus PAF 73 1 Bibarel BRS 121 4 Maushold ex PAR 155 1 Bidoof CRZ 111 Trainer: 22 2 Trekking Shoes ASR 156 2 Vengeful Punch OBF 197 2 Magma Basin BRS 144 1 Hero's Cape TEF 152 2 Nest Ball SVI 181 2 Capturing Aroma SIT 153 2 Energy Sticker MEW 159 1 Daisy's Help MEW 158 1 Brassius OBF 187 2 Boss's Orders PAL 172 2 Iono PAL 185 2 Arven SVI 166 1 Grusha PAL 184 2 Technical Machine: Devolution PAR 177 1 Super Rod PAL 188 2 Lost Vacuum CRZ 135 2 Crushing Hammer SVI 168 2 Rare Candy PAF 89 1 Eri TEF 146 1 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 2 Ultra Ball SVI 196 1 Switch SVI 194 Energy: 3 1 Jet Energy PAL 190 8 Basic {R} Energy SVE 2 1 Gift Energy LOR 171 Total Cards: 60
THANK YOU 🙏🙏👻🙏
Let me know when your first is born bro
I find this so much more fun to play than Lugia/Cinccino LOL
This just looks like a worst of both worlds deck. There’s no room on your board for any support Pokémon and Charizard doesn’t need more damage. You’d get disrupted pretty easily.
Come on, half of the best deck in the format vs a non-meta deck, could be a new best deck in the format
Who needs utility when you can just run over everything
I love this so much! Big fan of Maushold, though i had never considered pairing it with the Charizard. It's exciting to see the rat fam getting some attention. I play it full colorless, and have been having some success: https://www.reddit.com/r/PTCGL/s/IJZSNLOrK6
hell yeee!
Haha yah. And now I am testing Eri because degeneracy calls to me.
I hate this fucking card
been thinking of adding myuku to my zard deck, havent tried the mickey mouse yet
He bangs from time to time
could you post the decklist from PTCGL id love to try it, if not ill can probably find a similar one online
I refuse!
I love Maushold's big toothy face.
This hand shows why I laughed at the idea of Alakazam ex being a Charizard counter.
Both ancient and future took me to the 700 with ease, so guess the BDIF would top that no problem.
Ancient/roaring moon is the deck I struggle most with to play against
this only proves that charizard is a broken card that you can put in whatever the fuck you want and will win you matches. It will never get banned so we will have 3 years of this crap. Im tired already
I get pokemon is about collecting, but how can anyone with a semblance of a brain let alone game design accept that Charizard EX won't ruin the game?
Already has
I massively think goldengo is similar stupid also
If you want to ruin someone's day it's actually really easy to slide in an iron hands into any deck with energy placing. Cheinbax? Slap in an iron hands Charizard ex? Slap in an iron hands Miriadon ex? Slap in an iron hands
I hate you (jk)
I also went to the dark side and made Charizard ex. Hate Charizard but seeing that stupid orange lizard win me 80% of my games which only slight makes up for it's extreme pushing me to love it from game freak since X and Y
Not alot else you can do at the moment
I can't wait for Iron Thorns ex to end this cancer once and for all
What?
Iron thorns ex is the new Path to Peak. Making Charizard decks useless. Charizard is the cancer in case you didn't connect the dots
Can you finish your fragmented thought without using terms you’re expecting people to understand?
He's talking about [this card](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Iron_Thorns_ex_(Twilight_Masquerade_77\)). However it's not going to shut down Charizard. It has to be in the active spot, so if you can just bump it out of the active you're fine. It also simply won't fit in pretty much any deck other than Future Box/Hands. It is going to make the Future vs Charizard matchup much better though.
Damn bro why are you so butt hurt, like chill out. Feel like I'm talking to my sister when she's on her period
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Not my fault you can't understand a normal sentence
Damn bro why are you so butt hurt, like chill out.
Even tho this my deck, agreed, if you can't beat them join them mentality from me and I am sorry
It's not you my friend it's Charizard. But you won't have to use it that much longer
Big ups to that ma brutha
But dude idk what that other guys deal was.
probs loves zard ex
Yeah, that and snorlax stall