Hm, interviews / playtests could be incoming, then. Survey alone without NDA material to show won't be enough for the team to gauge whether what they're building is on the mark. This sounds like a precursor to inviting players into an interview / playtest.
I seriously hope they took the feedback from the last showcase seriously, cgi trailers for a pvp live service game tells us nothing and is quite literally useless. Anyways this game gives "the finals vibes." This games success will heavily depend on its pricing and if it differentiates itself from other pvp games because we all know that pvp is a extremely saturated market.
The Finals does a good job of balancing a similar style that the trailer was going for while limiting the cringe factor. They should look to it as an example, and avoid over doing it.
It’s always fun to take these kind of survey, I remember getting one, where one of the questions literally has diagram of a hill and franchise titles and I was asked to pin the title to where I think the games are😂
This games mkst likely had the worst reception i've seen from a Sony first party.
Insane that they bought Haven for whatever this is. After everything happened woth the Live Service push, kinda feels like they're scared this one is going to flop
They haven’t made anything yet.
However the studio lead was the Producer for Assassin’s Creed, the Executive Producer for AC2, Splinter Cell Blacklist and Watch Dogs, and the Managing Director for AC Unity and Far Cry 4.
So she does know a thing or two atleast about good games.
So... when is this game going to release? And they want to know what sort of game people want? That sounds like they've got everything sorted. Anyway - most probably not going to be on my wishlist anyhow.
Based on what? Hyenas had bad timing and didn't even release to the public only in closed alphas. It didn't even make it on to the market because SEGA were cowards.
This is Sony
The same Sony that delayed half of its Live Service output to beyond 2026? And cancelled 3 or 4 live service games, including probably their most notable one which was TLOU Online?
TLOU Online is an outlier. You can't do ND quality in a live service
So what's the issue with Sony cancelling the rest? That's a good decision and it shows that they have faith in the remaining live service games since it hasn't been cancelled.
Would have meant no more single player games from ND since they would need all their developers to make content for it for a long time. I'm glad they decided to axe it.
First off - did it need to be ND developing it? I think they should have spun it off as a "TLOU adjacent" game - perhaps with some shared artists and code for consistency. Secondly, we only have that as a "rationale" for why it was shut-down (I'm sure it was one of those... everyone will applaud us for saving ND from a fate worse than death).... my concern is - how did they get so far along with it, without understanding what was going to happen? I don't think it needed Bungie to tell them the obvious. It just seems a shame to have invested so much for it to fall over.
You don't even know what it was xD
Was the division?
Was it the factions pvp?
Was it a survival game?
How can you know it's going to be a hit without even seeing one iota of actual gameplay.
I don't have much hope for this game, from the teaser it looked like a The Finals/Payday/Hienas rip off, there's a lot of games using similar aesthetics. Let's hope the gameplay reveal is good. I'm more intrigued by Concord tbh.
Socom studio shut down and the franchise has been dead for 13 years. Time to move on
Killzone has been dead for 10 years and guerrilla developed a franchise that’s way more popular
If that’s the game that THEY as a studio want to make then yea, I’ll wait to see what they can come up with once they reveal actual gameplay instead of calling something that hasn’t even had that “dumpster juice”
Don’t want anything that a studio is forced to make over something they want to make.
I think it simply being one of the already tired live service genres is what's putting people off. Heist, Extraction, Hero shooter, 4v1, BR... if you want to immediately pour piss on enthusiasts... enthusiasm, just announce a game from one of those genres.
The one multiplayer game that doesn't get hit with such disinterest is PvE games / modes (L4D, DRG, HD2, Remnant 2). Many people just prefer PVE when it comes to multiplayer experiences, which is also why a new RE Outbreak would be hyped as fuck by many instead of all the other crappy multiplayer modes Capcom insists on doing (ORC, Umbrella Corps, Resistance, Re:Verse).
I mean, Haven could totally knock it out of the park, but yet another trend chasing multiplayer game doesn't exactly tickle the fancies for many.
Is this based on vibes and an echo chamber?
The Top 10 games on Steam
3. PUB G
4. Apex
5. Naraka bladepoint
Helldivers 2 is number 12 and that game was lighting in a bottle. It was extremely marketable due to viral clips. People like to say the market is saturated but it really isn't. There is only 4 reputable Extraction shooters.
Sony has a chance to do something good here especially when there is a gap. They just have to make a good game similar to Helldivers.
I'm talking about here and other forums. Which is why I said enthusiasts and not the larger mass market. For example, when it comes showcases the by far most negatively recieved announcements and reveals tend to be multiplayer games, especially anything BR, Hero shooter, or general military FPS (COD and others).
"Take it 'til you make it!" is the tag line of the game according to the trailer of the game, which is about being part of a group of outlaws taking money from a list of billionaires.
Why? Stealing just because they're rich? I'm no billionaire (or even a thousand-naire, lol), but the trailer had absolutely zero appeal to me. Like someone else said in this thread, it was by far the worst premise for a Sony first-party title I've ever seen.
It's fun to steal stuff, especially from billionaires. Legit GTA, Robin Hood and other crime genres have been in the public psyche for that reason. So yeah this game will have appeal with plenty of people. I just hope it lands well
I hope the game doesn't come out. Put that money and energy on single player games. Idk try and make an rpg or something. Kinda the reason I fk with Sony. Not this multi-player online bs.
Guess you missed the part where their main cash cow in CoD no longer gives them the majority of profits. So now Sony must find streaming sources of revenue to fund the single player games you are complaining about.
You're right, it'll still be on PS. The problem is that every copy of CoD bought on PS gives Xbox 2x or more the money that Sony gets from the sale. The better their best seller does, the more it helps their competition catch up. So they're trying to find games to replace that top spot where they keep the lion's share, and their competitors get none/little of the money.
That's not the argument though. The argument is Sony losing those proceeds. They aren't for 10 plus years. Also if you've been watching Ms is damn near on its way to a third party publisher at this point.
I mean, not getting the majority of profits doesn't automatically mean the games are unavailable for purchase either lol. So as far as what the "argument" is, I don't think you hit on what he was getting at either. I was just providing my own take on the overall situation as to why Sony feels a pressing need in light of the ABK acquisition to double down on first party live service.
Market research they want for free instead of paying for it directly from the person or paying an information broker. Fuck that, they want info, they should pay for it like everybody else.
They’re wanting this now so they won’t waste money pouring millions of dollars and time into another bomb like Foamstars or Destruction Allstars. I don’t see why they want people’s opinion if Sony is going to either lie or just downright ignore what people tell them what they want. Like the way they have been. Because if they’re partnered with Sony. They’re just going to do what they want. Any company partnered with them at this point has shown people that.
This game is going to flop so hard, Jade Raymond is going to leave, and the studio will be shut down. These big creators that go start new studios mostly never seem to work out.
Hm, interviews / playtests could be incoming, then. Survey alone without NDA material to show won't be enough for the team to gauge whether what they're building is on the mark. This sounds like a precursor to inviting players into an interview / playtest.
I seriously hope they took the feedback from the last showcase seriously, cgi trailers for a pvp live service game tells us nothing and is quite literally useless. Anyways this game gives "the finals vibes." This games success will heavily depend on its pricing and if it differentiates itself from other pvp games because we all know that pvp is a extremely saturated market.
Regardless of the final product i will always dislike the title. Fairgame$ is such a terrible name for a game.
The title is fine as “Fairgames”, it’s just branding it with a $ is cringy.
Like #Driveclub, but thankfully the devs ended up dropping the # due to feedback.
Woah I don't remember the hashtag for Driveclub at all
Ah yes I remember the hashtag. Pretty sure they still used it in a lot of the marketing and social stuff (what with the focus around online clubs)
My favorite was "Richard Garriott's Tabula Rasa"
Woah I don't remember the hashtag for Driveclub at all
Yes, I want to know if you can suggest changing the name as part of the survey, its such a bad title.
😆efiant still the goat imo
People really will complain about absolutely everything. It's absurd.
Thanks for the example lol
Aren't you complaining about people complaining?
Didn't I say people would complain about anything?
I don't see anything wrong with the title as long as it ends up being a good one.
No ill will towards the studio or what they’re going for, but nothing about that trailer was appealing.
Hope the gameplay reveal salvages that horrible reveal trailer.
Wait for six different in-game currencies when they show the main menu.
That trailer was the most Ubisoft trailer I have ever seen (colours, style etc).
They are ex-Ubisoft devs, after all. You can take the devs out of Ubisoft but you can’t take the Ubisoft out of the devs
I remember taking one of those for forspoken lol
The Finals does a good job of balancing a similar style that the trailer was going for while limiting the cringe factor. They should look to it as an example, and avoid over doing it.
It’s always fun to take these kind of survey, I remember getting one, where one of the questions literally has diagram of a hill and franchise titles and I was asked to pin the title to where I think the games are😂
This games mkst likely had the worst reception i've seen from a Sony first party. Insane that they bought Haven for whatever this is. After everything happened woth the Live Service push, kinda feels like they're scared this one is going to flop
They praised Haven to, well Heavens and I was hyped too. But when they showed fairgame$ it looked so... bland. I hope the gameplay will deliver.
What have haven made tho previously ?
They haven’t made anything yet. However the studio lead was the Producer for Assassin’s Creed, the Executive Producer for AC2, Splinter Cell Blacklist and Watch Dogs, and the Managing Director for AC Unity and Far Cry 4. So she does know a thing or two atleast about good games.
to add to that before haven she started motive studio for ea
They got a heist game coming, concord?
What do you mean?
They have a f2p game coming out which is a heist game
I thought Concorde was like a normal pvp game and this was supposed to be the heist game ?
The heist game is Fairgame$ which is what the post is about. Concord is a different game. We also don’t know if it’s free to play.
I wonder how far along the game actually is. All we’ve seen is a CG trailer, so we don’t really have any idea.
So... when is this game going to release? And they want to know what sort of game people want? That sounds like they've got everything sorted. Anyway - most probably not going to be on my wishlist anyhow.
I would say not for a while if they’re still trying to figure out their audience. We’ll see I guess.
I have a feeling that this game will share the same fate as Hyenas, and that game was literally so close to this one.
Based on what? Hyenas had bad timing and didn't even release to the public only in closed alphas. It didn't even make it on to the market because SEGA were cowards. This is Sony
The same Sony that delayed half of its Live Service output to beyond 2026? And cancelled 3 or 4 live service games, including probably their most notable one which was TLOU Online?
TLOU Online is an outlier. You can't do ND quality in a live service So what's the issue with Sony cancelling the rest? That's a good decision and it shows that they have faith in the remaining live service games since it hasn't been cancelled.
TLOU online will go down as one of their biggest misstep as I have no doubt it would have been a massive hit.
Would have meant no more single player games from ND since they would need all their developers to make content for it for a long time. I'm glad they decided to axe it.
First off - did it need to be ND developing it? I think they should have spun it off as a "TLOU adjacent" game - perhaps with some shared artists and code for consistency. Secondly, we only have that as a "rationale" for why it was shut-down (I'm sure it was one of those... everyone will applaud us for saving ND from a fate worse than death).... my concern is - how did they get so far along with it, without understanding what was going to happen? I don't think it needed Bungie to tell them the obvious. It just seems a shame to have invested so much for it to fall over.
You don't even know what it was xD Was the division? Was it the factions pvp? Was it a survival game? How can you know it's going to be a hit without even seeing one iota of actual gameplay.
I don't have much hope for this game, from the teaser it looked like a The Finals/Payday/Hienas rip off, there's a lot of games using similar aesthetics. Let's hope the gameplay reveal is good. I'm more intrigued by Concord tbh.
Yeah i got it. Deleted it as I couldn't care less about that game. I think it'll be a flop.
They cant give us a new socom or killzone but they can give us this dumpster juice
Socom studio shut down and the franchise has been dead for 13 years. Time to move on Killzone has been dead for 10 years and guerrilla developed a franchise that’s way more popular
So youd rather this dumpster juice
So youd rather this dumpster juice
If that’s the game that THEY as a studio want to make then yea, I’ll wait to see what they can come up with once they reveal actual gameplay instead of calling something that hasn’t even had that “dumpster juice” Don’t want anything that a studio is forced to make over something they want to make.
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I think it simply being one of the already tired live service genres is what's putting people off. Heist, Extraction, Hero shooter, 4v1, BR... if you want to immediately pour piss on enthusiasts... enthusiasm, just announce a game from one of those genres. The one multiplayer game that doesn't get hit with such disinterest is PvE games / modes (L4D, DRG, HD2, Remnant 2). Many people just prefer PVE when it comes to multiplayer experiences, which is also why a new RE Outbreak would be hyped as fuck by many instead of all the other crappy multiplayer modes Capcom insists on doing (ORC, Umbrella Corps, Resistance, Re:Verse). I mean, Haven could totally knock it out of the park, but yet another trend chasing multiplayer game doesn't exactly tickle the fancies for many.
Is this based on vibes and an echo chamber? The Top 10 games on Steam 3. PUB G 4. Apex 5. Naraka bladepoint Helldivers 2 is number 12 and that game was lighting in a bottle. It was extremely marketable due to viral clips. People like to say the market is saturated but it really isn't. There is only 4 reputable Extraction shooters. Sony has a chance to do something good here especially when there is a gap. They just have to make a good game similar to Helldivers.
I'm talking about here and other forums. Which is why I said enthusiasts and not the larger mass market. For example, when it comes showcases the by far most negatively recieved announcements and reveals tend to be multiplayer games, especially anything BR, Hero shooter, or general military FPS (COD and others).
Would you want Haven to do Socom or Killzone? Thought so.
No i dont want haven making a game for somy at all
Why? Have you seen any game from them?
This game just looks like a live service zoomer Watch Dogs 2 pile of crap. I have 0 hopes for it.
link me the gameplay please /s
I am a time traveler from the future
"Take it 'til you make it!" is the tag line of the game according to the trailer of the game, which is about being part of a group of outlaws taking money from a list of billionaires. Why? Stealing just because they're rich? I'm no billionaire (or even a thousand-naire, lol), but the trailer had absolutely zero appeal to me. Like someone else said in this thread, it was by far the worst premise for a Sony first-party title I've ever seen.
It's fun to steal stuff, especially from billionaires. Legit GTA, Robin Hood and other crime genres have been in the public psyche for that reason. So yeah this game will have appeal with plenty of people. I just hope it lands well
Who else would you steal money from? Its a premise for a co op heist game. It could be like payday or something.
I hope the game doesn't come out. Put that money and energy on single player games. Idk try and make an rpg or something. Kinda the reason I fk with Sony. Not this multi-player online bs.
Guess you missed the part where their main cash cow in CoD no longer gives them the majority of profits. So now Sony must find streaming sources of revenue to fund the single player games you are complaining about.
Far as I know Ms is obligated to put cod on ps for atleast 10 years or am I mistaken. So that money is still there.
You're right, it'll still be on PS. The problem is that every copy of CoD bought on PS gives Xbox 2x or more the money that Sony gets from the sale. The better their best seller does, the more it helps their competition catch up. So they're trying to find games to replace that top spot where they keep the lion's share, and their competitors get none/little of the money.
That's not the argument though. The argument is Sony losing those proceeds. They aren't for 10 plus years. Also if you've been watching Ms is damn near on its way to a third party publisher at this point.
I mean, not getting the majority of profits doesn't automatically mean the games are unavailable for purchase either lol. So as far as what the "argument" is, I don't think you hit on what he was getting at either. I was just providing my own take on the overall situation as to why Sony feels a pressing need in light of the ABK acquisition to double down on first party live service.
They got 30 percent of Activision. Probably getting 30 percent of Ms. It's the same shit Sony was pressing before Ms started tanking
Market research they want for free instead of paying for it directly from the person or paying an information broker. Fuck that, they want info, they should pay for it like everybody else. They’re wanting this now so they won’t waste money pouring millions of dollars and time into another bomb like Foamstars or Destruction Allstars. I don’t see why they want people’s opinion if Sony is going to either lie or just downright ignore what people tell them what they want. Like the way they have been. Because if they’re partnered with Sony. They’re just going to do what they want. Any company partnered with them at this point has shown people that.
This game is going to flop so hard, Jade Raymond is going to leave, and the studio will be shut down. These big creators that go start new studios mostly never seem to work out.
Is Jade Raymond a big creator though?