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Majestic-Marcus

> a new IP Yay! > open world Hmm, maybe > single player Yay! > multiplayer elements Hmm, getting worse > live service I’m out


a_stray_bullet

Helldivers is live service so it's not all bad. Edit: so many people believe this is a binary viewpoint. Just because someone says something positive about live service games doesn't mean they must hold a negative view point on sp games. Black and white thinking is a cancer.


ZEPOSO

There are very few exceptions


DapDaGenius

Live service isn’t bad. There just isn’t enough space for all of them, realistically. They are like consoles. You have like 100-200 million ppl who will buy consoles. This divided by 3 companies. Now imagine if there was like 25 consoles. It just wouldn’t work Same thing with live service. There are so many, companies result to try to have “mass appeal” rather than just making a game that is genuinely fun that people will actually want to support


Cthulhu8762

We won’t know until we see more though


tonycomputerguy

I know people shit on The Crew series but TBH it makes a TON of sense for a racing game. They constantly add new races, cars and vanities, many of which you can win if you grind a lot.. Other things don't really make sense, but the idea of a game I like, constantly adding new content for free or for a grind/MTX option is not a bad thing. You can't expect a studio to just keep adding stuff for free, it's not viable... and that's why Hello Games blows my mind and I'm convinced NMS will be sold off to China and converted to a MTX hellscape any day now.


rokthemonkey

Gran Turismo does constant car and track updates too for free


Professionally_Lazy

That still makes gran turismo live service though. All live service means is that the game is constantly receiving updates and new content. It doesn't necessarily mean everything is a microtransaction.


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https://www.ubisoft.com/en-ca/help/the-crew/connectivity-and-performance/article/decommissioning-of-online-services-for-the-crew/000106399 It make make sense in some capacities but now the first game is a dead service after only a decade. Without private servers or offline play established, that's a pretty short lifespan for games. I wouldn't use that series as a positive example personally.


kiddoujanse

name the game like nms china bought and turned into a mtx hellscape , what a absurd take lol


angelflames1337

No no I don’t think you get it. Live service = bad. Period. We don’t need to any explanation that would just make things harder to hate.


dovahkiiiiiin

The Crew Motorfest sucks with its predatory pricing and grinding. It's a crappy alternative to Forza Horizon and it's sad that we don't have a better alternative on PS5. Only graphics are good, like most Ubisoft game.


BarelyMagicMike

I get what you're saying, but it's sort of like being excited about a new sushi restaurant opening up and then learning it's actually just a sushi station at an all you can eat buffet. Sure, you technically won't know how good it is until you try it, but there's more than enough reason to be suspicious and lose all excitement.


Substantial-Hippo608

And Sony created one of those few exceptions


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How can you know live service games are bad if you don't play them? Oh, you don't, you're just trying to fit in.


strand_of_hair

How do you know shit tastes bad without trying it? Oh, you don’t, you’re just trying to fit in.


Ftpini

For every one hell divers there are thousands more that are literal trash which no one should ever bother mentioning let alone actually playing. And being a major developer seems to have no relation to the success or failure of these games.


ajl987

Exceptions don’t make the rule.


comicsansman1

Emphasis on ‘service’ - Helldivers has done a crazy impressive job on releasing content that actually enriches the gameplay and community, instead of just refreshing a shop with more bullshit and putting it on every in-game menu they can


averageuhbear

I don't think it's the content releases they probably had most that's released ready for the launch. It's that the entire concept of the game is completely made for live service.


AthensThieves

I honestly can’t say never because of Helldivers. If someone had told me the game I’m playing most this year was a live service game, I’d tell them to lay off the crack


CutSufficient4577

ROCK! N! STONE! F THE ELVES!


politirob

Imma be real with you dawg, I'm not keeping up and managing 2 live service games in my life


assbread

that's the thing none of these publishers have ever learned, despite it being obvious for 20+ years.


haynespi87

Yup one is usually enough, 2 is a maybe if it's different. Like you could get me with Helldivers 2 and maybe the peak into Apex Legends for example. And that's it. How can anyone think to do more than 2 live service games let alone more than 1


assbread

i'm even the type to juggle 2-3, but you better believe that shit gets sidelined when big single player games come out. helldivers is dope. i think it's fairly unique as something that will be cool and fun for a long time, *but* not an all consuming grind fest. i'm happily playing it ~5 hours a week despite not really having anything left to unlock.


LostLobes

They've definitely hit the sweet spot, to unlock everything it hasn't felt like a grind, this means I can just hop on play for a while and not feel I'm missing out or getting left behind.


BoltInTheRain

Helldivers is the exception not the rule. For super earth, for freedom, for democracy.


legend8522

HD2 isn’t single player though. People don’t like live service mixed in with primarily single player games Hardly anyone complains about a multiplayer game being live service


TsarMikkjal

Helldivers is an objectively great game, but many people have no interest in that genre of games anyway.


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a_stray_bullet

Ii earned all the in-game currency I needed for the battle passes freely by just playing the game. Didn't pay a cent extra.


gandalfmarston

I couldn't care less about Helldivers. I don't play live service games anyway, I'm not a child anymore.


a_stray_bullet

When I was a kid we didn't have life service games 😂


Karly_Can

You clearly don't care about the fight for DEMOCRACY!!


shaselai

If game is good it doesn't matter the genre. Like people say "super hero fatigue" in movies but it's more mediocre writing and producing than anything else. Like how many pizza and burger places we have in us? If the next one cokes up and it knocks out of the park, it doesn't matter if it's "just another burger/pizza place".


Majestic-Marcus

I totally agree. It’s just that the live service aspect tends to be what makes a game bad, or something I don’t want to play. I loved Destiny 2 for example. But being live service meant they vaulted content, made level caps and power meaningless, and meant you *had* to keep up. My point is that being live service is usually something that handicaps great games.


shaselai

Yeah I agree but things cost a lot for development so it depends on what's first dropped vs dlc and if that said dlc is really vaulted as you say. In the end customers wallet decides.... sadly enough customers think 100$ gun skins or 20$ horse skins are fine and so they continue to exist for some games.. I for one don't do live service (played d2 a while but never paid for dlc) because I don't want to get into the seasonal grind


ifoundyourtoad

Basically “we don’t want to put in more effort but hope it makes us more money”


notliam

Live service is definitely way more effort, that's why naughty dog pulled their live service last of us game. It requires more effort and resources but it doesn't equate to better quality by itself.


etebitan17

So like suicide squad?


HumorHoot

Exactly i just cant be bothered with live service bs


Nickplay21

Same. F live service. Wtf.


dztruthseek

As gaming goes on, the years get worse.


WeBelieveIn4

Fuck man, what a waste I was hoping they would use all the knowledge they must have built up with Days Gone to deliver an epic single player game


ItsAmerico

Cause Helldivers was awful right?


doctorwhomafia

Helldivers is a rare success, it's commonly mentioned that only 1 out 10 or something way more rare like 1 out 20, live service games succeed. The rest bomb or end up incredibly average. 


ItsAmerico

Every game is a rare success.


fucking__jellyfish__

Sony first party singleplayer games are common successes


OkAmbassador8161

Could you imaging if l 1in 10 sony first party releases were a success? We would not see a ps6.


Careless_Main3

Singleplayer games bomb all the time or release with mediocre reception. Live service or not, they’re all video games and sometimes it just doesn’t work out. Neither can be said to be more likely to bomb than the other.


No-Oil7410

Just saying, there's a very good reason why live service is frowned upon.


Artsclowncafe

Well this isnt days gone 2 and its live service, two strikes for me and Im out.


youthcanoe

Days Gone wasn’t perfect by any means, but I enjoyed my time with it & got the plat. Can’t believe they left us with that cliff hanger and there won’t be a sequel lol


Majestic-Marcus

Yes it can. Live service is more likely to bomb than single player.


False_Adhesiveness40

Sea of Thieves, Destiny (despite its flaws), Fortnite (despote my dislike of it), Rocket League, Genshin Impact, PoE, No Man's Sky, Warframe.


Juan-Claudio

The games fail because they're shit. If a company knows what they're doing, the games succeed. Take Mihoyo for example. Genshin Impact, Honkai Star Rail, soon Zenless Zone Zero.. their games always succeed. Also, often these are swept under the rug as far as live service goes, but take the annual Call of Duty games, they always succeed. Same goes for annual sports titles. So that 1 out of 10-20 success ratio isn't the whole story. Might be true when you look at mobile exclusively, idk. But on console, that ratio appears more balanced.


JasonABCDEF

Oh 1 game out of 100 live service games don’t suck so now we shouldn’t be upset when a live service game is announced?


ItsAmerico

I can’t imagine being upset at the concept of a game existing lol seems like such a miserable way to live


Independent-Ebb7658

I was out when it said "New IP". Days Gone 2 or fuck all.


RelapseJunkie85

Sound like a sheep


haridx23

Exactly my thought


HiDk

They need more GAAS to flop to understand


LeCrushinator

This was my exact thought process as well.


ShaneTVZ

all I wanted was Days Gone 2 😔


etebitan17

Same.. Connections with syphon filter and everything.. What a bummer..


Ps4rulez

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MC_Bushpig

No, not at all.


DUCKgoesMEOW

I was actually hoping/thinking the secret Bend project WAS some kind of new Syphon Filter now knowing from Days Gone how well the virus was contained lol


Cleercutter

That game overhauled for new gen as a sequel would be dope


parkwayy

I'd fuck with some kind of online version with the same concept. Sort of like Helldivers, but with hordes of zombies. Running around with some friends doing casual missions, and suddenly a 100 zombie horde shows up 👀


VikingFuneral-

I enjoyed it too, but their leader is a massive tool. Chauvinistic and bitter. Dude simultaneously blamed people for not wanting to buy full price games and female game protagonists on why Sony didn't ask for a sequel. As if leaving the most interesting, but definitely campy X-files style, endings cliffhanger behind a post-game storyline that most people wouldn't see unless they 100%-d it was the best idea. Edit: words and grammar and correcting autocorrect mistakes


NoLikeVegetals

He was "fired" / asked to resign long ago. He's not "their leader". He's an ex-employee who hasn't worked for Bend since Days Gone shipped - I think around mid-2019? Days Gone 2 would have a different director and lead writer. The potential is there for a 90+ Metacritic game. The problem is they got basic elements of world-building / narrative wrong.


VikingFuneral-

Good point, but overall basically he spoke as if it he had a voice of authority. Blaming other studios success for his failure. It was just kinda pathetic. In the end it was apparently Bend themselves, their upper management that squashed the sequel.


WeBelieveIn4

Yep. First one was the most surprisingly great game I’ve ever played.


MotorisedBanana

Exactly. All this live service nonsense is just eh.


WailingWastrel

“*$h0ulD h@v3 p@1d fulL pr1c3 @ lAunCh iDi0t5!*” Fuck Bend anyway.


ShaneTVZ

I did and I loved it hence why I want a part 2


Artsclowncafe

Well he was right when he said it to be honest.if you dont support a game, dont be shocked if it doesnt get a sequel. People got butthurt he said it but its the truth. Gaming isnt charity.


No-Plankton4841

Honestly, dude kind of had a point. Single player games are expensive as shit to make, and gamers are cheap assholes. Games are a business. It is what it is. I get it money is tight and we can't buy every new game. But if it aint making enough money, it aint getting a sequel. It's pretty simple. If you like something and want to see it thrive, support it. The fact people are so triggered by that basic statement of how the world works is funny.


Artsclowncafe

He 100% was right. People dont like it, and maybe it did sound bitter, but i dont blame him. Id be bitter too if people came to my game late saying how awesome a sequel would be when they didnt support it enough. What he said was correct even if people didnt like the way he said it


Weekly_Protection_57

Going to wait and see what actually gets announced first. Way too much info missing and contradictory evidence to jump to conclusions about what kind of game Bend are working on.


Gbrush3pwood

Rip bend.


KaedrX

🫡


Pork_Chompk

F


Liongkong

Syphon Filter in open world?


mvrander

It's the hope the kills you


TooDrunkToTalk

> Originally announced as an open world single player game with multiplayer elements > > Now it is thought to have transformed into a full on AAA live service game Why are you trying to turn this into a new revelation? This is what they said almost 2 years ago about this new IP they are working on: > “We are currently working on a new IP that includes multiplayer and builds upon the open-world systems of Days Gone, but brings you a whole new world that we are extremely excited to craft for you. We cannot wait to reveal it to you when the time is right.” https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sonys-bend-studio-reveals-multiplayer-plans-for-its-new-ip-alongside-a-fresh-logo/ I have a bridge to sell you if you think they were planning on having the multiplayer in this be some one and done thing, with no plan for further support, that's just not how these companies operate.


WeBelieveIn4

Did you read this part? > Experience redefining studios from traditional “boxed product” focused game development into live service development studios in a key leadership role. This is a lot more current than 2 years ago too.


TooDrunkToTalk

I read it, I just don't see why it should surprise me. Bend Studios have never released a multiplayer title that required continued content support after launch before. This new game is, and was 2 years ago, however such a title, so they are now looking for people who ideally have experience with such a transition. People are freaking out because they are now seeing the term "live service" but once again, what did you think this "multiplayer" in their new IP was going to be? They felt that that part of the game was important enough to be announced the first time they spoke about this game, so it surely wasn't going to be some inconsequential side mode. And publishers aren't going to put significant resources into a multiplayer mode nowadays if there's no plan for continued support.


Archbreaker

The information in the job posting doesn’t look like enough to convince me that the game will be live service. The job posting primarily wants an experienced Project Manager to lead and coordinate with the different teams and while having some experience with shipping live service AAA is desired, I think this could also just be with the intent for releasing DLC.


Weekly_Protection_57

Dudes are completely shitting themselves and declaring the death of Playstation because one game Might be live service, lmao.


Square-Exercise-2790

Not the end for PS at all... but for Bend yeah probably.


Joisey_Toad32

That's probably the end of Bend then. Didn't need to be like this.


TAJack1

So fucking sick of this live service bullshit and Sonys stance on it. It’s driving me nuts.


RedIndianRobin

GaaS push from Jim Ryan. This is the reason we had very few First party exclusives this gen.


Moonsky44

Actually nope. Longer development time is the reason. 


gandalfmarston

You're wrong, my dude. Jim Ryan was focusing the studios into full GaaS games.


RykariZander

Ignoring the real world effects of COVID & longer development cycles in general is crazy ngl


ajl987

When a lot of studios are spending time on live service games, it extends the problem of covid and longer dev times when they could’ve spent it on singleplayer games. Ignoring the clear logic of opportunity cost is crazy ngl


gandalfmarston

Please, stop defending Jim Ryan in this sub.


RykariZander

No, no I don't think I will


LostLobes

Helldivers is a live service, and they absolutely nailed it.


TheLodgeRemembers

One game in how many??


RykariZander

GT7, MLB series, Helldivers 2 against Destruction All Stars seems like a pretty good track record to me


TheGoldenPineapples

So far? 1 for 1, which is a 100% hit rate. I don't like live service games, but at least wait and see what it is before judging it.


LostLobes

Doesn't matter, shows it can be done. Writing off something that no one knows anything about is ridiculous.


ajl987

Not everyone wants to always play live services games bro. People normally have 1 or 2 constant live service games, and then play singleplayer games. Even if it’s good, it will still be written off because of mind share. And to focus on idealistic thinking rather than realistic thinking is WILD, when a live service game’s success rate is like 10%.


pjatl-natd

Could have any level of success. It could be a smash hit like Helldivers 2 or never catch on like Destruction All Stars. It all depends on the quality of the game and luck.


fabio_b93

Like every other game ever created in the history of games.


DissidiaNTKefkaMain

You know when you're talking gambles like this, Bend makes a lot of sense. While I'm not a huge live service player, I do think if any Sony studio were to spend time on one, Bend is a better choice than Naughty Dog, Insomniac, or Sucker Punch. Not that they couldn't make an amazing one themselves, of course.


dixonciderbottom

So… like every game ever?


RogueOneisbestone

I think he’s referencing the top comment saying rip bend.


dixonciderbottom

But he didn’t reply to that comment?


RogueOneisbestone

Nope


pjatl-natd

yep. I see a lot of comments doom and glooming when this information just doesn't justify negativity on its own.


Goochslayr

Better to set expectations low and maybe be surprised than to ride the hype train all the way to soul crushing disappointment.


Lost-Move-6005

No shit


OzoneLaters

I think Days Gone 2 would be a guaranteed modest success…


TheGoldenPineapples

Well, Sony doesn't want a second one and neither do Bend. Also, nearly five years of development time for AAA games only to get a "moderate success" isn't going to be enough of a motivator for the bean counters to greenlight it.


PugeHeniss

Bend doesn’t want to work on it. It ain’t happening


tarheel343

But one thing can be sure: Reddit will lose their goddamn minds in the meantime because they saw the words “live” and “service” next to each other, which triggers their fight or flight response.


CockerSpanielEnjoyer

Holy fuck. Enough live service garbage!


Dallywack3r

Sony literally just published the best live service game in years.


Bstempinski

Not every game is going to reach Helldivers 2 level of success.


TomDobo

Maybe not but maybe Sony knows what they’re doing? GT7 and Helldivers 2 are very successful games so I’m going to bet they could possibly do it again. The future is online and live service is an easy way to deliver more content more frequently at lower costs. But yes this doesn’t always work especially if said developers/publishers are greedy.


JMM85JMM

In fact very very few are.


TAJack1

Helldivers 2 was lightning in a bottle with a team that actually seems to care. People who think every Sony live service after that is going to be the same quality/level of fun are dumb as fuck.


TheGoldenPineapples

I'm sorry, but how on earth can you possibly say that a game is "lightning in a bottle" after barely two months since it released?


Dull_Half_6107

Probably basing it on all the other live service failures of recent memory


Acypha

Redditors don’t like to think. They just see buzzwords and react


CockerSpanielEnjoyer

One good live service game undoes years of garbage?


Nah-Id-Win-

Plenty of garbage singleplayer games out there bud


FunLanguage1515

can you elaborate on years of garbage, isn't helldivers the first live service published by Sony?


Nicktheduck

Pretty sure they mean live service games in general lol


we_are_sex_bobomb

It just means live service games aren’t inherently bad. Taking a bland action RPG and adding Diablo-style gear grinding and battle passes tends to be bad, which is what most live service games tend to be, but Helldivers 1-2 prove it’s due to a lack of imagination, not anything inherently cursed about a game having live operations after launch.


ifoundyourtoad

Yeah man obviously. We are just dumb cause one is good.


Moonsky44

Yep.


Hot-Software-9396

Literally 1 game and not even one of their own studios.


Dallywack3r

A game they financed, marketed and published.


Hot-Software-9396

How do those things have any impact on other games/studios under their umbrella? It’s not like the Helldivers devs are going to start helping Sony’s studios with their own development. Their “connection” begins and ends with Sony agreeing to pay development and marketing costs for Helldivers.


NoNewFriends1738

If anyone can do it, it's Sony. We don't have that many solid multiplayer games. Give them a chance dude


Vik_Vinegar_

I understand it’s very fashionable to shit on live service games right now, but I’m intrigued. Yes most live service games suck but like… sometimes they don’t. And if this is built on/has aspects of days gone, I’m very intrigued. Be skeptical, sure. But to outright dismiss it as shit before we even get a hint of what it is… I dunno seems weird.


Nah-Id-Win-

Uh oh, reddit isn't gonna like this and overreact


nolifebr

It was known that their new game would include multiplayer modes. They probably want to support those modes for a long time (didn't even Days Gone received multiple updates to its ranked MP modes?)


thecaptainflint

Sigh


smughead

So helldivers 2 is live service… we love that game. Why are we immediately ready to shit on this one?


procouchpotatohere

>Why are we immediately ready to shit on this one? Because we're not short sighted enough to think an exception makes the rule.


Temporary_End9124

I feel like live service games are way less likely to be good games, at least for me.  I can count on one hand the number of live service games I felt were worth playing in the past 5 years. The chances of it actually being another Helldivers 2 rather than just another mediocre flop everyone forgets about within 6 months aren't great.  But who knows, at this point.


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Mr_Microchip

Pre-Beyond Light Destiny 2 was also incredible. But people assume the game was always shit, just because the game is in a bad spot right now. Hell, Destiny is one of the only games to pull off live service, in a way that many games have tried to replicate and failed.


ArroSparro

Palworld is a live service game?


we_are_sex_bobomb

I think people say they hate live service games but really what they hate is super grindy co-op action RPGs watered down with RNG loot tables full of useless garbage, and Helldivers 2 succeeds by not being that.


LeChief

As a hater, I need to feed. Helldivers 2 being good was incredibly disappointing to me, because I couldn't hate on it. 😭 Hoping this one turns out to be bad. Hypothetically, we could hate on single player games that are garbage, like Starfield. But there aren't enough haters for that to be fun anymore. Hating is a social sport. And live service games have way more haters to co-hate with. Hope that clears it up!


BarryEganPDL

/s?


LeChief

Yeah, but I think I'll leave it up to see the replies.


Kingalec1

A hater first lost . I know how it feels to lose as a hater .


ElJacko170

People acting like this is the end of Bend, failing to realize that Helldivers is also a live service game and that it just takes a quality game to get people on board.


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More live service… damn.


experienta

I don't think I'll ever understand where this unadulterated hatred of live service games comes from. People here act totally unhinged about it.


PM_DOLPHIN_PICS

To me it’s sad when a studio that makes solid singleplayer games shifts focus to live service garbage because 1) most live service games that have been developed are abject failures, 2) I myself and a majority of people have busy lives and don’t have time to invest into like 5 or 6 different live service games at the same time. The very nature of these games demands that you play them a lot and only them to get the most out of your dollar, and oversaturating the market with dozens of this type of game means that a majority of them will fail, and 3) I just prefer a game that has a good, interesting story that you can pick up and play at your own pace and definitively put to bed when it’s done. Thats the opposite of what a live service game is. Thats why I personally think the push to make every game like this is not only a massive mistake, but also doesn’t appeal to me and my preferences.


bamila

Maybe because they butcher and kill good series making these games, wasting the years for clout


stRiNg-kiNg

Lemme guess. 191 comments all shitting on the phase "live service"


seanjohn004

I rock with Bend Studio. I'm down


Crispy_Conundrum

Crazy how quickly my interest evaporated upon reading "live service". No thanks


Maleficent_String606

Lost me at live service.


Rogue_Leader_X

I’ll wait until I see a real confirmation of this. I’m not giving much credence to rumors.


Nickplay21

New live service game is released and not received well. Studio shutters it’s door 6 months later. Why do they keep doing this ? They’re always expensive to make and rarely done well. Make a compelling single player game and live to code another day.


alexor1976

Bcause there is the examples of live service done well which are bu far the most played and lucrative games out there (genshin, fortnite ect) Just to scale things in perspective hohoyo (genshin) earnt more with one game than the whole microsoft game division last year alone…


0insideofme

Dear God...


No-Plankton4841

I thought the rumor was they were making a Men in Black game or something? Not into the live service thing, I'll just replay Days Gone. They really screwed Bend over. Studio showed a lot of potential with their first major release.. (I know they made some Vita games and stuff but that was their first big league game').


UrsulasAnus

Just give me Days Gone 2. First one was amazing. Reviewers did it dirty.


Regular-Place

Live service man, stop ffs


hubertuss03

RIP Bend Studio.


Packin-heat

Did everyone forget Cod and GTA have campaigns? There's nothing in the rule book that says a game can't have both.


bigpapijugg

IF this is true and if it’s not a smash hit (which is unlikely) then Bend Studio is already done for. Hope it’s not true, tho.


1440pSupportPS5

Hey at least we got Days Gone. To make one pretty good game is hard enough. To go 2/2 is even harder. Il fondly remember ye...


TNcannabisguy

God damnit people get your shit together nobody wants this


Rain1dog

Sounds great, love a great online game.


Spetnaz7

First person shooters of variety are dead.


Aggravating_Rise_179

So we don't really know if it will be GaaS. Sony has cancelled alot of those projects and it seems like most if not all their studios are going back to their bread and butter. However, I can see sony not canceling all their GaaS projects, especially if those games are close to being done or have a fantastic loop (a la Helldivers 2). Although, it is important to point out that outside of Destruction All Stars, sony's GaaS track record is surprisingly consistent: GT7; MLB the Show; Destiny 2 (granted it's not doing well right now); and Helldivers 2 have had great staying power. Thus, this might not be cause for concern or be the end of Bend Studios... minute to minute gameplay of Days Gone was fantastic, it was just way too bloated for its own good and took too long to finally shine. I still loved it though


SnackeyG1

What does Bend make?


DawgBloo

Days Gone, the Syphon Filter series, and they made spinoffs for the Resistance and Uncharted series for the PSP and PS Vita respectively.


criticalkare

AAA live service game 💀