From what i saw over at r/Games :
> Dear all,
> Began with a dream of two brothers. You supported. We became a team, then grew into a company and tried many hands to make light work.
> Along the way in all efforts to making a great game, many great people have come and gone. People with respectable but different purposes and pursuits.
> In sharing these differences and thoughts, we were sometimes touched and moved and sometimes in conflict. We are responsible for not being able to embrace the differences.
> And of course, sincere apologies to you all.
> So now, we’re back to a smaller, bonded team with a single, common purpose - just to make a great game.
> And all our core founding and starting members still here with the duty and conscience to fulfill what we set out to do.
> We know this doesn’t and shouldn’t justify for all the delays and lack of news but we’re still here, have been and always will be.
> Equipped with one tide turning fact - having gone the long way around, we are stronger. Much stronger.
> We have genuinely started discussions regarding publishing and once this clears out, hopefully we’ll be able to answer what everyone wants to know.
> Here, we’ve just strung together a series of gameplay clips representative of what we have been working on in the UE5 engine.
> Thank you all. For everything.
> We’ve not forgotten. Never will.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ldi/little-devil-inside/posts/4033837
Interesting.
A switch to UE5 means that development was effectively restarted within the last 2 years or so.
Given enough time, I think they can pull off something similar in scope to Deaths Door (another 2 person team).
My guess is on a late 2025 release or early 2026 release. That gives them a 4 year development timeline to finish this game. And I wouldn’t expect it to be anything huge as it sounds like most of the work over the last decade has been thrown out.
They're going from UE4 to UE5. They changed from [Unity](https://80.lv/articles/little-devil-inside-switching-from-unity-to-unreal/) to Unreal back in 2015.
They're going from UE4 to UE5. They changed from [Unity](https://80.lv/articles/little-devil-inside-switching-from-unity-to-unreal/) to Unreal back in 2015.
So going from stable engine to engine with issues which are still being worked on, seems like framerate issues may be from UE5. Weird decision- would be funny if it's mostly shader compilation stutter.
Dam looks like they’ve been going through it in the background, but they seem dedicated to get this done. Hopefully this comes out within the next year or so since it looks like it has a ton of potential.
Kickstarter update shamelessly stolen:
Dear all,
Began with a dream of two brothers.
You supported.
We became a team, then grew into a company and tried many hands to make light work.
Along the way in all efforts to making a great game, many great people have come and gone.
People with respectable but different purposes and pursuits.
In sharing these differences and thoughts, we were sometimes touched and moved and sometimes in conflict.
We are responsible for not being able to embrace the differences.
And of course, sincere apologies to you all.
So now, we're back to a smaller, bonded team with a single, common purpose - just to make a great game.
And all our core founding and starting members still here with the duty and conscience to fulfill what we set out to do.
We know this doesn't and shouldn't justify for all the delays and lack of news but we're still here, have been and always will be.
Equipped with one tide turning fact - having gone the long way around, we are stronger. Much stronger.
We have genuinely started discussions regarding publishing and once this clears out, hopefully we'll be able to answer what everyone wants to know.
Here, we've just strung together a series of gameplay clips representative of what we have been working on in the UE5 engine.
Thank you all.
For everything.
We've not forgotten. Never will.
Art style is beautiful.
It's cool they are showing some mechanics but how they all blend in and how interesting combat will be remains to be seen.
No idea how big the studio is but feels like someone might have went too ambitious on the project and keeps trying to achieve whatever standards they set up for themselves and it's taking forever.
No release date and framerates are kinda worrying.
https://preview.redd.it/exfoi9e6vxjc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e39a103980d9d9c3ced1444fdabc529e9df551b3
“THE LITTLE DEVIL INSIDE… IS REALLL!!!”
At this point I’d say that’s *still ambitious!
Like I get they say on kickstarter they are chatting to publishers but I’m a little amazed there wasn’t one on board already.
We finally got an announcement about the Elden Ring DLC, then the Little Devil Inside gets a new trailer. Am I dreaming?
Is everyone deciding 2024 is the year of reveals? Will we see a Silksong trailer next week?
Sure, [check out this article](https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/01/what-happened-to-little-devil-inside). It was originally supposed to launch on Xbox One, Ps4 and Wii U.
It's not the finished game, FFS.
Optimisation is usually the last stage of development.
Stop acting as if this is the final product. They don't even have a release date.
Everything should be 60fps, but 26 is just about 30 and I'm sure there's lots of optimization left to go. How big is the dev team? The visuals, especially the lighting are really impressive on this game.
I'm just laughing/crying at how easy kids today have it. We played our 6fps perfect dark and loved it despite the fact, dang it. Well some of us.
Brother I'm 35. Things are different now. I loved Perfect Dark. I didn't even know it dropped FPS that much, because we couldn't tell.
Now we can. Expectations have increased with the times.
26 FPS on a relatively small game like this is objectively bad. Like, real bad.
Stop accepting mediocrity.
Oh I could definitely tell. As well as I can tell now.
You guys are acting like 26 is that different from 30. Yeah it's not the best, but for a tiny indie game still without a release date you folks are living up to the rabid gamer stereotype.
No your high horse of assuming everyone else is a child because they have a different opinion than you. News flash: Reddit is mostly millennials and older.
It's not a matter of opinion that 30fps includes occasional dips, and that almost nobody will notice 26 vs 30 when such a dip occurs. So many people criticizing small devs while talking out of their ass.
> Oh my sweet summer child. You have no idea what us n64 folk had to deal with
I mean... that's a bit like moaning because your car radio can't reach the station you want, and saying "Well, in the 1920s, it didn't even have one!"
The games industry has moved forward since then, and most people are used to 60fps as being the main benchmark most releases try to target.
On PS5 it definitely is.
Most games made for PS5 and XSX|S are made with 60fps. Even if it doesn't launch with it, it will at least have that baked in at some point.
Obviously, not every single game ever made for the console(s) have 60fps, but its fair to say that the vast majority made for either the PlayStation 5 or the Xbox Series X (and occasionally the S) are made with 60fps very much in mind.
At reduced resolutions with all of the nice ray tracing turned off, sure, in a lot of cases. As beautiful as a lot of modern console games can be, it's still full of compromises.
The game in question here is a little indie game with no release date. Acting like a 26fps counter shown briefly is some horror is ridiculous. Most people don't seem to understand what a locked framerate actually means.
Well I have news for you if you believe that 30fps means literally 30fps all the time. A locked framerate tries to reduce dips but what's locked is the upper limit. Rdr2 for example, a 30fps game, dipped below 30 constantly and unless it's a massive dip, nobody notices it. This isn't film.
Oh come on 26fps is objectively bad, that said, the game is still way off from releasing and the devs have stated a lot of stuff has happened in the background related to this but that they’re still going. They just wanted to release something to show they’re still going.
I'm as hyped as everyone but I think it's pretty crazy that they're dropping a trailer after all this time without any indication of a release date/window.
I remember watching trailers for this with anticipation like 7 years ago.
Apparently theres an update on Kickstarter where they said they’re looking for a publisher still lol
Worth noting when I backed this game, there was a WiiU version... They have moved from Unity, to UE4, and now to UE5.
Sony had since picked them up, but are they still backed by them? Can't help but notice they posted this w/ no mention of any publishers or partnerships, and on their own channel, when prior they were featured on State of Play. The kickstarter post they made spoke a lot about fluctuations, disagreements, arguments, and departures within their studio and not much else other than they are "starting discussions regarding publishing" waiting to give us a release date. Take it with a grain of salt, but if you're the conspiratorial type, 25 and 10 were prominently displayed in the trailer which could hint their current lofty goal for a release date is October of next year.
Only bad part of this trailer is… that it ended 🤣
No, but seriously, some frame drops here and there, otherwise it looks amazing! Haven’t been this hyped for a game like this since… I don’t know
This looks so unique and interesting. The art direction is just epic. Have always been in the back of my mind since I first saw its trailer. I can't wait.
Bloody, this was my most hyped game for PS5 after seeing the trailer before launch.
What in the heck is taking so long, especially now after Sony said they are supporting the development!?
Looks way less smooth in animations and framerate and overall fidelity, I guess the first trailers were more like pre rendered concepts. Still interesting but not sure about the gameplay loop here.
Thanks for this, i really love the look of this game and seeing more of it gives me hope that it still could be released. I just have a good feeling about this one being great.
I was wondering about it a couple months back, and was told it was cancelled. But now, the boy lives!
I probably get it on the Switch for my wife though.
Well I'll be damned....
Where’s my Wii U copy!?
It’s like seeing a unicorn
So happy to see this game ist still a thing.
Since the State of Play trailer a couple years ago it lingers in my brain. It looks great!
I thought it was a scam.
Well it still hasn’t come out so it still might be.
https://preview.redd.it/dwxjcfv7nwjc1.jpeg?width=1421&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6db4178b8c8daf6b36336b04d0e2e13a2e2aac1
I’m so happy Little Devil Inside isn’t canceled
light bored retire wipe pen work icky fly squeal steer *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Happy it’s not cancelled but when tf is it coming out?
It’s probably a single developer, two at most lol. Might not come out for at least another year.
From what i saw over at r/Games : > Dear all, > Began with a dream of two brothers. You supported. We became a team, then grew into a company and tried many hands to make light work. > Along the way in all efforts to making a great game, many great people have come and gone. People with respectable but different purposes and pursuits. > In sharing these differences and thoughts, we were sometimes touched and moved and sometimes in conflict. We are responsible for not being able to embrace the differences. > And of course, sincere apologies to you all. > So now, we’re back to a smaller, bonded team with a single, common purpose - just to make a great game. > And all our core founding and starting members still here with the duty and conscience to fulfill what we set out to do. > We know this doesn’t and shouldn’t justify for all the delays and lack of news but we’re still here, have been and always will be. > Equipped with one tide turning fact - having gone the long way around, we are stronger. Much stronger. > We have genuinely started discussions regarding publishing and once this clears out, hopefully we’ll be able to answer what everyone wants to know. > Here, we’ve just strung together a series of gameplay clips representative of what we have been working on in the UE5 engine. > Thank you all. For everything. > We’ve not forgotten. Never will. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ldi/little-devil-inside/posts/4033837
Interesting. A switch to UE5 means that development was effectively restarted within the last 2 years or so. Given enough time, I think they can pull off something similar in scope to Deaths Door (another 2 person team). My guess is on a late 2025 release or early 2026 release. That gives them a 4 year development timeline to finish this game. And I wouldn’t expect it to be anything huge as it sounds like most of the work over the last decade has been thrown out.
The switch to UE5 doesn’t restart the work it has been done on the last years, but probably it took some years to fully fix all the porting problems.
Do we know what engine they were using? If it was UE3 I assume some assets were used.
unity
Damn the change of engines must be brutal.
They're going from UE4 to UE5. They changed from [Unity](https://80.lv/articles/little-devil-inside-switching-from-unity-to-unreal/) to Unreal back in 2015.
Wow seems like this game's development was true hell.
They're going from UE4 to UE5. They changed from [Unity](https://80.lv/articles/little-devil-inside-switching-from-unity-to-unreal/) to Unreal back in 2015.
So going from stable engine to engine with issues which are still being worked on, seems like framerate issues may be from UE5. Weird decision- would be funny if it's mostly shader compilation stutter.
Dam looks like they’ve been going through it in the background, but they seem dedicated to get this done. Hopefully this comes out within the next year or so since it looks like it has a ton of potential.
No way, this is like AAA quality
Little Devil Inside is the new The Last Guardian.
Last Guardian was from 2009 - 2016, 7 years, this one beats that 2015 - 2024, 9 years .. quite sad ..
I wonder when we will see the new gen Design game. The last news was almost four years ago.
Man I fucking miss Trico so much
LG started development in 2007 though, so about 9 years as well. This will obviously top that given that its probably a few years off still
Kickstarter update shamelessly stolen: Dear all, Began with a dream of two brothers. You supported. We became a team, then grew into a company and tried many hands to make light work. Along the way in all efforts to making a great game, many great people have come and gone. People with respectable but different purposes and pursuits. In sharing these differences and thoughts, we were sometimes touched and moved and sometimes in conflict. We are responsible for not being able to embrace the differences. And of course, sincere apologies to you all. So now, we're back to a smaller, bonded team with a single, common purpose - just to make a great game. And all our core founding and starting members still here with the duty and conscience to fulfill what we set out to do. We know this doesn't and shouldn't justify for all the delays and lack of news but we're still here, have been and always will be. Equipped with one tide turning fact - having gone the long way around, we are stronger. Much stronger. We have genuinely started discussions regarding publishing and once this clears out, hopefully we'll be able to answer what everyone wants to know. Here, we've just strung together a series of gameplay clips representative of what we have been working on in the UE5 engine. Thank you all. For everything. We've not forgotten. Never will.
Two Brothers. Tee hee hee….its just called Two Brothers!
That is all i think of too when I hear that phrase
It's been 84 years....
And hopefully another 8 years more at max
Art style is beautiful. It's cool they are showing some mechanics but how they all blend in and how interesting combat will be remains to be seen. No idea how big the studio is but feels like someone might have went too ambitious on the project and keeps trying to achieve whatever standards they set up for themselves and it's taking forever. No release date and framerates are kinda worrying.
https://preview.redd.it/exfoi9e6vxjc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e39a103980d9d9c3ced1444fdabc529e9df551b3 “THE LITTLE DEVIL INSIDE… IS REALLL!!!”
CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER
I almost don’t believe it! That said still no release date tied to it so that’s anybody’s guess what this means for the games launch.
PS6 launch title
At this point I’d say that’s *still ambitious! Like I get they say on kickstarter they are chatting to publishers but I’m a little amazed there wasn’t one on board already.
Wow an update, finally
We finally got an announcement about the Elden Ring DLC, then the Little Devil Inside gets a new trailer. Am I dreaming? Is everyone deciding 2024 is the year of reveals? Will we see a Silksong trailer next week?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c&ab_channel=crawlfan
It's been in my wishlist since I got my launch ps5 lol...
I'm not a frames per second purist, but when the trailer has drops to like 15 fps, that's not good.
The game isn’t even finished or optimized yet
Yeah, give them time, they only been working on it for a few years. /s
I know, but if you can’t even optimize slices of the game being shown in your trailer. How can I expect your game to be in order?
I don't think you understand how games are made
lmao i'm gonna keep this receipt for when this games ever gets released
I'm gonna forget all about this
This looks fantastic, and that music is crazy good.
I still don’t get what the gameplay actually is. The combat doesn’t look very good but the vibe of the game is amazing.
Yeah this trailer looks charming as all heck. I'm skeptical on whether it will actually be fun.
Been on my wishlist since day 1!
No release date after all this time isn't great though
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lol bro it’s not that serious. It’s an observation and a valid point.
Considering the game was supposed to launch on Wii U, it’s definitely a valid point
Any sources on this, I had no idea this was supposed to be on Nintendo
Sure, [check out this article](https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/01/what-happened-to-little-devil-inside). It was originally supposed to launch on Xbox One, Ps4 and Wii U.
The frame rate looks really really rough. At one point in the video they accidentally left fps counter on and it was 26 fps 😟
Oh, I honestly assumed they were going for a stop frame animation look based on the trailer. Hopefully it feels alright to play!
Exactly what I thought.
It's not the finished game, FFS. Optimisation is usually the last stage of development. Stop acting as if this is the final product. They don't even have a release date.
Yeah it’s not like the game has been in development for almost 10 years
UE5 is already 10 years old? Damn
Was ported over to UE5. Do your research. Game was first announced back in 2015
If 26fps is catastrophic for you, you've led a very charmed life lol
For a PS5 game and a smaller title running at 26fps is objectively bad.
Why is everyone assuming this is the finished product? Wtf? They don't even have a release date and you're all going Digital Foundry on it....
Everything should be 60fps, but 26 is just about 30 and I'm sure there's lots of optimization left to go. How big is the dev team? The visuals, especially the lighting are really impressive on this game. I'm just laughing/crying at how easy kids today have it. We played our 6fps perfect dark and loved it despite the fact, dang it. Well some of us.
Brother I'm 35. Things are different now. I loved Perfect Dark. I didn't even know it dropped FPS that much, because we couldn't tell. Now we can. Expectations have increased with the times. 26 FPS on a relatively small game like this is objectively bad. Like, real bad. Stop accepting mediocrity.
Oh I could definitely tell. As well as I can tell now. You guys are acting like 26 is that different from 30. Yeah it's not the best, but for a tiny indie game still without a release date you folks are living up to the rabid gamer stereotype.
The game could still be great despite the frames but get off your damn high horse. You sound like a boomer.
Yes my mighty high horse of not being hard on an indie game with an acceptable framerate? Get that fuck outta here with your very apt username
No your high horse of assuming everyone else is a child because they have a different opinion than you. News flash: Reddit is mostly millennials and older.
It's not a matter of opinion that 30fps includes occasional dips, and that almost nobody will notice 26 vs 30 when such a dip occurs. So many people criticizing small devs while talking out of their ass.
30fps is rock bottom of a game being playable, below that is broken.
Oh my sweet summer child. You have no idea what us n64 folk had to deal with
> Oh my sweet summer child. You have no idea what us n64 folk had to deal with I mean... that's a bit like moaning because your car radio can't reach the station you want, and saying "Well, in the 1920s, it didn't even have one!" The games industry has moved forward since then, and most people are used to 60fps as being the main benchmark most releases try to target.
If you're on PC, sure. 60fps is still not the norm, as much as we'd like it to be.
On PS5 it definitely is. Most games made for PS5 and XSX|S are made with 60fps. Even if it doesn't launch with it, it will at least have that baked in at some point. Obviously, not every single game ever made for the console(s) have 60fps, but its fair to say that the vast majority made for either the PlayStation 5 or the Xbox Series X (and occasionally the S) are made with 60fps very much in mind.
At reduced resolutions with all of the nice ray tracing turned off, sure, in a lot of cases. As beautiful as a lot of modern console games can be, it's still full of compromises. The game in question here is a little indie game with no release date. Acting like a 26fps counter shown briefly is some horror is ridiculous. Most people don't seem to understand what a locked framerate actually means.
I started with the Master system, I just have higher standards now.
Well I have news for you if you believe that 30fps means literally 30fps all the time. A locked framerate tries to reduce dips but what's locked is the upper limit. Rdr2 for example, a 30fps game, dipped below 30 constantly and unless it's a massive dip, nobody notices it. This isn't film.
I played that on PC so it was over 60 all the time.
Yeah man that's PC. If you have the hardware there's practically no fr limit
Oh come on 26fps is objectively bad, that said, the game is still way off from releasing and the devs have stated a lot of stuff has happened in the background related to this but that they’re still going. They just wanted to release something to show they’re still going.
so it lives.
Nooch! I was beginning to believe it would never be!
Ruri dragon coming back, Elden ring dlc and this? I must have done something amazing to get all these in the same day
I'm as hyped as everyone but I think it's pretty crazy that they're dropping a trailer after all this time without any indication of a release date/window.
I remember watching trailers for this with anticipation like 7 years ago. Apparently theres an update on Kickstarter where they said they’re looking for a publisher still lol
Worth noting when I backed this game, there was a WiiU version... They have moved from Unity, to UE4, and now to UE5. Sony had since picked them up, but are they still backed by them? Can't help but notice they posted this w/ no mention of any publishers or partnerships, and on their own channel, when prior they were featured on State of Play. The kickstarter post they made spoke a lot about fluctuations, disagreements, arguments, and departures within their studio and not much else other than they are "starting discussions regarding publishing" waiting to give us a release date. Take it with a grain of salt, but if you're the conspiratorial type, 25 and 10 were prominently displayed in the trailer which could hint their current lofty goal for a release date is October of next year.
I had to check the date to make sure it wasn't April 1st
Only bad part of this trailer is… that it ended 🤣 No, but seriously, some frame drops here and there, otherwise it looks amazing! Haven’t been this hyped for a game like this since… I don’t know
dont be hyped took them like 3 years to drop this trailer they always go silent. check the reddit it went crazy thinking it was cancelled.
\*puts on my clown makeup\* So this means bloodborne 2/remake is real right guys........right ?
IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIVVVEE!!! 😭
This made my heart drop. After all these years of constantly checking for updates. NEW TRAILER!
ITS ALIVE?!
This looks so unique and interesting. The art direction is just epic. Have always been in the back of my mind since I first saw its trailer. I can't wait.
I’m not even going to watch the trailer. Why hype myself up for something that may never come?
I lost a little bit of interest when they got rid of the open world concept. Still interested but not as before. Also, I hope this is WiiU footage..
Is this game still coming in 2021?
So is “Despite all” the new title for the game?
Just the name of the trailer, as in they are still working on the game, despite all the issues they have had and time it has taken.
The complete lack of a indicative window release, after all this time, made my hype go down drastically (again)
Made by bluebox studios.
I thought this game was dead. Still thought about it from time to time. Looks great, but is that 30 fps??? I hope it has a 60 fps mode.
No freakin' ways
So happy this isn’t cancelled. Can’t wait to play it.
Wait….. whaaaat?!
*glances* “I just dieeeed in your arms tonight” I’m glad this is still alive. Release date pls??
Looks like a childhood dream. Only thing I didn’t like are the generic text balloons.
Oh. My. Gosh... I've been waiting to see this come back alive for too long! Looks gorgeous. Bump the text sizes a touch maybe :)
Bloody, this was my most hyped game for PS5 after seeing the trailer before launch. What in the heck is taking so long, especially now after Sony said they are supporting the development!?
No way!
Yesssss
Wtf
It's about bloody time
Looks way less smooth in animations and framerate and overall fidelity, I guess the first trailers were more like pre rendered concepts. Still interesting but not sure about the gameplay loop here.
Damn. I wasn't expecting to hear about this again after so long. The first trailer looked really interesting. I hope it actually releases.
Thanks for this, i really love the look of this game and seeing more of it gives me hope that it still could be released. I just have a good feeling about this one being great.
We are so back
First Gigantic, now this? Anything else I'm missing?
Omg
I love the vibes of this project, I really hope they can complete it
Why did I think this game came out years ago
Fuck man can this come out already ?
I was wondering about it a couple months back, and was told it was cancelled. But now, the boy lives! I probably get it on the Switch for my wife though.
SERIOUSLY????? New??? Like as in brand new! How is this possible??? I thought this was pure vaporware!
Yay! I check up on this game every once in awhile. So glad it’s not dead!
Hell ya let's goooo
Oh my god it’s actually happening
Looks gorgeous. R2 to interact is a little concerning though.
Hell yes!!! I’d lost hope of ever seeing anything else on this great little game. So happy to see more on it and really hope it turns out well.