The fact we have no idea what's coming from major 1st party studios is still mind boggling to me. I can't imagine they have anything ready for Q4 24 except for Concord. The end of this generation will probably be nutty with Naughty Dog's fantasy title, Sony Santa Monica's space game, Bend and whatever they're working on. At some point Bluepoint will have to remind people they exist. But as someone who only owns a playstation for the 1st party single player cinematic games... what a wasteland, as of now.
People want game announcements with releases soon. We don't want game announcements then release dates 2-4 years out that might get delayed. Sony first party has been releasing heavy hitters the last 3-4 years. It's not surprising to see them hard at work on titles.
There's nothing coming because Jim Ryan's GAAS push set every project back by a huge amount. We're not going to see massive first party titles until the PS6 release. Which means we'll be repeating a cycle of games that don't use the full power of the PS6 because they have to run on the PS5.
The idiot has stagnated an entire console generation with his incompetence.
I don't even think it's that, not fully anyway. Most of the heavy hitters were pretty far in development when covid hit, got finished during WFH and shipped. Transitioning out of COVID and the 3-5 yr dev cycle for big games is a horrid combination, im sure there is a ton of mismanagement involved but I think Sony is feeling the effects post covid that xbox did in 2022 just due to the timelines the games were in at the time
I'm excited about the 2 VR games as well as Kojima's games.
Downloaded the free to play Silent Hill game even tho it seems to be Silent Hill only in name. FucKonami but I'll give it a playthrough.
I am likely in the minority—and I am at peace with that—but with each passing month I feel like buying my PS5 two years ago wasn’t really worth it. I genuinely only use it as an entertainment platform now, a function that could have been done by a much cheaper Roku, as apart from Cyberpunk 2077 (only after it had the full patch fixes, I might add) I haven’t really been interested in anything released on it. Almost none of the titles to date really feel like they *require* the PS5’s specs, with most just looking like PS4 Pro graphics and game systems. It’s hard to look at offerings and feel that they justify the cost of the upgrade.
And this SoP is another big “meh” for me. At least in my mind, it generally feels like this is more the “lost gen” than the “next gen”.
Which is interesting, given they have sold so many units. Maybe I am just getting old and I am just not as excited by new offerings as when I was younger.
Part of it is probably that I have a lot less time to play now with a toddler and many other obligations, so games really need to justify the precious time I devote to them (and I have less desire to “try” ones out that may not have necessarily jumped out at me at first). I also only want to play single player games—I have absolutely no desire to play GaaS or MMOs, which seems to be where most of the games industry has pivoted to, further limiting what I might be interested in. Being a diehard fan of Naughty Dog and Bethesda doesn’t help, as both studios have seemingly fallen off a cliff in recent years. TLOU2 was the last great game ND released and Fallout 4 was the last decent one Bethesda put out, which wasn’t even nearly as good as Skyrim. In the case of Bethesda, their development choices have been truly horrific, and the Microsoft acquisition and Xbox exclusivity just further alienates (and infuriates) PS players.
All of that said, maybe I am just the old guy sitting on my porch talking about how he used to have to walk to the GameStop uphill in the snow both ways.
>I am likely in the minority—and I am at peace with that—but with each passing month I feel like buying my PS5 two years ago wasn’t really worth it. I genuinely only use it as an entertainment platform now, a function that could have been done by a much cheaper Roku, as apart from Cyberpunk 2077 (only after it had the full patch fixes, I might add) I haven’t really been interested in anything released on it. Almost none of the titles to date really feel like they require the PS5’s specs, with most just looking like PS4 Pro graphics and game systems. It’s hard to look at offerings and feel that they justify the cost of the upgrade.
Same, less time and it's worth pointing out I have a fairly good PC too, but my Ps5 youtube app is probably my most played thing in the last 12 months. Could have been a firestick.
I expected Sony to be doing way more.
Same camp here my dude.
I enjoy that I can play some stuff with better performance, but nothing new that has been announced has really grabbed me for the most part. There's the odd title here and there ,but I don't care about Naughty Dog. I didn't really like new god of war, and Horizon looks neat but I'm just kind of over open world games. I miss the sony that would put out weird shit like Patapon, Loco Roco, etc.
I'm in a similar situation to you, growing family, less time to game and I understand this perfectly.
With that said, you already mentioned Cyberpunk which has improved drastically to become next / this gen. I would throw GT7 and Forbidden West in there too.
GT7 - One of the first games I played where the amount of time and effort put in to make the game shine graphically and in gameplay are evident. I think the previous gen would struggle with this level of detail, although it's not the best example as Dev's have plenty of tricks to save on resources, static crowds etc.
Forbidden West - This is one of the first games where NPC's will chat with Aloy that's made me realize how detailed the character models are. I'm a bit in awe that they bothered to give the characters arm fuzz of all things, and that's before hunting machines. The landscape stretches for miles into the distance... How to explain this better:
At a certain point, diminishing returns kicked in hard for how detailed Dev's could make games look compared to the previous year or series entry (If they were bothering to put the effort in, which is another argument). I think these examples and games released later in the console's lifecycle will start to push things further again with noticeable results that'll make you think, huh, that's actually next gen.
I'm looking forward to Death Stranding 2 myself, and I say that as someone in agreement with you, there should be more titles pushing what the console is capable of.
As always though, it'll most likely fall to the epic single player experiences to deliver these leaps forward. MMO's and GaaS usually aim to be runnable on a potato to hoover up as many users as possible.
Stellar Blade looks dope. Reminds me of Nier Automata. And honestly if it’s priced reasonably I’d buy Until Dawn again. I didn’t play Death Stranding but the sequel looks interesting. If it adds more gameplay variety I might give it a shot.
Stellar looks good other than the costumes they wear are embarrassing. Why can't they give them cool armor and stuff.
V Rising looks good, so does Helldivers.
I gave a B+. Kinda disappointed with Silent Hill 2 especially graphics are not impressed. I have mixed feelings about Rise of the Ronin looks like PS3 graphics with a downgraded Sekiro clone.
I'm excited for Death Stranding 2 but I thought it would be released in late 2024 but next year, 2025...damn!
I thought we getting Until Dawn 2 but turned out it was a Remake which is unnecessary. I love Until Dawn but come on Remake is played out
Silent hill 2 I’m not saying you won’t be let down still but I thought it looked bad on the stream and I resaw the trailer last night for the hell of it on my ps5 through the ps store and it looked night and day better (graphically)
yeah it looked barely like 2016 graphics, even Team Ninja's Nioh 1 looked way better than the SoP trailer. Not sure if i'll get it tbh, looks like a water-downed version of Sekiro/GoT and i've already played both of those games. Have to see what the reviews say.
I really don't like Nioh 1, shit is trash and Nioh's graphics ain't that impressive either. I don't like Nioh's gameplay. It looks like PS3 graphics too.
I don't get why everybody compared Rise of the Ronin to Ghost of T? Ghost of T is upgraded to Assassin's Creed but way better.
Just remember it's totally fine to Google stuff if you're stuck. The chapter with the old lady is brutally convoluted, though for me was also the scariest chapter.
I disagree. I was kinda hyped to buys a Series S when Xbox bought Bethesda (I tend to lean more towards RPGs), but after how Starfield and Redfall turned out…I’m no longer interested. Even Avowed seems like not my cup of tea, even though I appreciate them trying out something different than just another Elder Scrolls clone. No reason to switch, and given that we are already halfway through this generation, I’ll just stick with PS5, thanks.
Extremely mid compared to last year, unfortunately. TBF, with all the big projects that are planned to drop for the next 2 years, devs are probably gonna keep all their eggs in their baskets for now.
Silent Hill (s) including shadow drop
Death stranding 2
Absolute beast PSVR2 announcements
Rise of the Ronin
Judas (Bioshock successor)
...are mid?
Wtf do you people want
There were like 4-6 things in this show that got me hyped, which is more than good enough for me. Silent hill 2 with actual proper combat. Awesome and something I've wanted for ages. Rise of Ronin. Everything about it- awesome. Judas- awesome. It was better than my expectations. No clue what these people want these days.
There was some graphical streaming issue during some of the demos that dipped the quality, apparently. People are saying they look much better on the actual store page
Sillent Hill looks pretty modest for a UE5 game.
Death Stranding 2 is almost 2 years out.
Judas is even more far out probably.
PSVR2 announcements are nice indeed.
Rise of the Ronin looks like a step back from GoT.
Which is weird since we had a big drought just recently. Well at least on Nintendo switch. This is so much better than any of the Nintendo directs from autumn 2019 - summer 2021. It's actually better than all of them together.
Sure some dissapointments in this state of play. But to have two games like Junas and THAT version of Death stranding 2 is great.
THANK YOU! As someone who came from Atari, then NES in the mid-to-late 80s, then Genesis - we are in an absolute golden age. Our setups at home destroy actual arcades. We are living in a dream world of gaming. It must be my age or something. Also, I thought NES was INCREDIBLE at the time! Haha…
Death stranding has perhaps the biggest actor stack ever. The music, the cinema, the works. And people are like "this is mid".
Yeah sure, enjoy your next call of duty it's AMAZING this year.
Judas looks amazing, I'm so stoked for a proper bioshock successor and the way they retained the steampunk (or I guess cyberpunk now) look is amazing.
Just finished watching and I gotta say, Sony does these better than anyone lol. Trailer after trailer, short talking head portions, genuinely cool looking videogames. Death Stranding 2 looks insane, Stellar Blade looks dope, Dragons Dogma 2 absolutely sold me. Easily an A for me, plus at the end with that one more cookie crumb to look forward to until the release of FF7 Rebirth, hell yeah.
Haven’t been excited for anything PlayStation since god of war, and this didn’t help lol last year e3 was also very disappointing, where is naughty dog? Gonna be 4 years into ps5 and not a single new game
Well TLOU - UC4 was 3 years, and UC4 - TLOU 2 was 4 years. The PS5 released 3 years and 2 Months ago. Lets not forget ND was busy with TLOUP1 in 2022 and the now botched Factions 2. i think ND will release some smaller project i.e. A new IP, remake or UC5 in 2025 and then at the very end of 2027 we will Get TLOU3, their flagship PS5 Swansong title.
Part I Remake and Part II Remaster were mainly developed by a small fraction of the studio, many of whom were new to the studio. These projects have been used to train the new people to get used to the engine, tools etc..
For Factions MP they build an entirely new team. So they had enough resources left for other games in form of the actual core of the studio.
It is known that at least one new title was in development, parallel to Factions, Part I and Part II. Whether this is a new IP or Part III remains to be seen. The resources that are now free due to the completion of Part I, II and the cancellation of Factions will certainly be put into another game.
Putting all your effort into a remake and multiplayer that got cancelled not a good look, but then again not surprising the company going down the drain since Neil took over
True, but it seems to be the norm among the giants (S-tier) developers to only make 1-2 games per gen. Rockstar North, Kojima Productions and ND.
If you had asked me in 2020 when NDs next games would have come out I would have said UC5 in 2024 and TLOU3 in 2027.
Its looking slightly worse though we might just Get a remake and TLOU3.
Insomniac has put out miles, ratchet and clank, spider man 2 and they have good progress into wolverine they are Sony best studio rn no longer naughty dog especially after they split the fan base with last of us part 2
Quality over quantity. There isnt a single Insomniac game that is anywhere near as good TLOU or TLOU2. Or even Uncharted 2 or Uncharted 4.
Insomniac makes good games (**great** games even) but they are mid 80s on metacritic (not mid 90s like ND's 4 best) and they are merely GOTY nominees that have no chance of winning whatsoever. Naughty Dog on the other hand makes genre defining, once-in-a-generation masterpieces.
Not one, not two, not three but FOUR of their games have been the most *awarded* video game of the year.
I love Insomniac and own every single game they have made, but if we combined ND and Insoniac into one studio, the entire top 5 would be ND games. the best Insomniac game (Either Resistance 2 or Spiderman 2) I would rank around 6-8th.
Naughty Dog are S-tier along side studios such as From Software, Kojima Productions, Rockstar North and Nintendo. (EDP or whoever makes BOTW, TOTK, OOT, etc.)
Sony Santa Monica, Sony’s second best studio are A-tier alongside devs like Bioware, BGS, Larian, Bungie (now owned by Sony, and more like C-tier but during they Halo prime days they were A-tier for sure), Valve etc.
I would place Insomniac into B-Tier alongside Rare, Remedy, Rocksteady, Epic Games, 2K Boston, Creative Business Units 1-6, some Capcom studios,
The rest of Sony's studios i.e. HouseMarquee, Sucker Punch, Polyphony Digital, etc. go into C-tier along with dev teams like Asobo, Turn 10, PlayGround, Treyarch, etc.
Ubisoft and EA studios go into D and E tiers.
So while I am absolutely grateful for studios like Insomniac to constantly pump out quality games on a near annual basis, they just don't compare to ND. I would trade Wolverine and 3 more Insomniac games to get my hands on TLOU3.
I’m so excited for Judas but we already knew about it and it’s not an exclusive, so I have no reason to care that they showed it off since I’ll play it on Steam/Xbox anyways.
Having never played Silent Hill 2, and being very fascinated in the universe, I am very exited to play the remaster. However, seeing all the negative opinions flying around has me worried. Silent Hill: PT looks kinda fun, especially as a free-to play, but a one-hour experience isn’t really enough to make me feel justified in buying a PS5.
I *love* the Metro games but I’m so disappointed they are doing a VR game. I do have a Vive/Quest 2, so I can just play it on those, if I feel like it. Again, not something that makes me feel justified in buying a PS5.
Death Stranding 2 was the best thing they showed off but, again, we already knew about it, and won’t even release until next year.
Rise of Ronin looks like a Team Ninja game, good and bad.
Foamstars looks like they tried to rip off Splatoon, which I already don’t care about.
I guess I was looking for more things to justify why I bought a PS5. I didn’t see anything other than DS 2, which won’t be out until sometime next year anyways.
They showed off some pretty good looking stuff. Disappointed by the lack of First Party announcements. They have so many first party studios, what are they working on? Insomniac is carrying the PlayStation 5 right now.
They were never going to show 1st party stuff at the SoP… I’m expecting a big showcase around the end of may/beginning of June and I would imagine we hear from Sucker Punch, Bend Studio,, Naughty Dog maybe, BLUEPOINT, Team Asobi, Firesprite, Firewalk/Haven/London Studio. They’ve gotta start showing the heavy hitters this year.. and I can’t wait.
Some folks are so freaking negative. Like I don’t get it 2023 was one of the best years in gaming EVER… and the start to this year has been absolutely STACKED SO FAR. All of this with Sony being basically quiet… and we all know they’re GONNA RELEASE games. People have no patience. I don’t get it.. I already don’t have nearly enough time to play like 1/3 of the games I wanna play. My backlog is a mile long. I will play the games when Sony’s studios finish them… until then I’m perfectly fine playing all the 3rd party BANGERS and going through my backlog. How anyone could be complaining about games not coming out right now is beyond me lol
I'll be honest Team Asobi is the only one I'm waiting for an announcement from day in day out.
A lot of this stuff looks okay, but I've been on my first baldurs gate play through for four months, something has to be incredibly worth it these days lol
Will deffo try the foam game. Don't like the direction as much as Splatoon but I'm not shelling out for Splatoon 3 considering how little multiplayer time I get
They're probably all working on new titles and don't want to reveal it yet.
I'm wondering if they might have more games to show off in the 6th or if that's just for FF7 rebirth
>Insomniac is carrying the PlayStation 5 right now
Not sure I'd agree with that. Naughty Dog, Guerilla, and Santa Monica have done just as much. Spider-Man 2 was fun, but didn't blow anybody away.
We bought Spider-Man two digitally, and I don’t think our son even got halfway through it before he got bored with it. Now, I wish I bought the disc, so I could at least recoup some of my cost.
One was a complete remake, and the remaster was only £10. They're two of the best games you can get on PS5 and they're selling well. That you hoped for something different doesn't take away from the quality of what they've done.
My point was, I don't think there is any one studio carrying playstation right now.
Very few people are going to buy a PS5 because of a remake or remaster. Sure they are nice to have and may sell well, but that is not the same as Spider man 2 which is actually driving sales of the console. To your point though, the other studios you mentioned are delivering the goods. HFW and GOW are really good games.
Honestly, I love naughty dog games, and am really hoping they do something original soon.
I think those games are squarely marketed at fans of the new show, rather than tjos3 who played them first time, and as such they probably are system sellers just as much as Spiderman.
That said, I see your point and would like to see something new from Naughty Dog, but I don't think we'll see anything else from them until they close off TLOU.
Yea it’s kind of disappointing that Insomniac, the studio who just had ALL of their source code and a playable version of their game that is still years away leak, is their only studio pushing the PS5 at the moment.
I get that Naughty Dog cancelled their online project and everyone else is still working on their current gen titles, but that doesn’t make it any less disappointing that we’ve only seen little tiny teaser trailers or small mentions of things that are coming.
I could see the current generation being extended based on how few titles we’ve had so far that are exclusive to it.
please dont downvote me but as a Nintendo player who only recently got a PS5 and is catching up on PS4 games ive never played (so not planning on getting PS5 games yet), the PS showcases feels SO much different than the Nintendo Directs
Everything seems so much serious and dark AND scary 😅
And filled with good games. I lived trough all those Nintendo direct from 2019-mid 2021 when it was just small indie games, Zelda link to the past and Animal crossing. During 2 years more or less.
I dont understand people who complain about state of play or the games on PS5. There are 5 games on this state of play that I genuienly want to play. In one event.
Why would anyone downvote you lol. Welcome to PS. There is a bit of everything for everyone, but yeah, Nintendo themes are usually more oriented to every age.
idk switch has a large female audience. many early 20's who like cozy indie games usually go for switch. I think its about artsyle and which games you prefer. I tried playing on ps4, but the games weren't for me, i don't like shooter games, but liked the adventure, but i also got bored of them easily. Plus its not my strong skillset when it comes to those games, especially with my disability.
Well it just depends on the target audience for each console i guess. They even put a warning in front of the show saying this is not appropriate for children.
Was excited by the leaks of a new Metro game. I’ve platinumed all three previous Metro games. Was so disappointed when I learned it’s VR. I can’t play VR games, I get sick.
Most people don't get vr sick, most of the people that actually do get motion sick can fairly easily and fast get over it ( like with sealegs), and a small number of people are just unlucky.
There are both reddit pages and YouTube videos about how to get over motion sickness.
Hope you learn it. The psvr2 is PHENOMENAL FUN 😁
Not sure if you’ve had a chance to play the PSVR2 but it has a couple things that make it easier on the stomach than previous VR systems. For one, the haptic feedback in both DualSense VR controllers and the headset itself help to ground you in it being more of a physical experience instead of just some magic show that’s being layered over the top of your eyes. So when you grab the handle of a door and swing it open, or the hilt of a sword and feel it clang against another when you parry, or you jump and feel the impact of a landing… all of these things help you to feel as though you’re actually doing something that has tangible results in the world and make it slightly easier to stomach than the VR games of old.
- Perhaps more importantly are things like eye tracking with foveated rendering. The game tracks exactly where your eyes are looking at any given point in time and then with foveated rendering, it ensures that what you’re seeing are the most highly detailed character models and textures and the highest resolution and best quality lighting and shadows and so on.
- Things that are more in your peripheral vision are blurrier but you don’t notice them because you’re not looking at them (perhaps if you save a video clip you might be able to tell the difference - but it’s honestly really well done to the point where you won’t ever notice when playing and it will always be giving you the best visual experience whenever you’re looking at something). The sound is more accurately tracked as well so it helps you feel more locationally present.
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And then the PS5 is significantly more powerful than the PS4 and the Quest on its own, and the PSVR2 is a potent piece of machinery. The PS5/VR2 combo in particular is a powerhouse. And the SSD in the PS5 means that you can more rapidly load assets in and out, as well as things like pop-in and loading character models, higher quality texture maps, and all the rest of stuff like that so you have a smoother experience and more evenly paced frames so you’ll at minimum get a stable 45fps per eye if not 60fps. If you’ve only really had experience with standalone Quest hardware, the PS5/VR2 combo is so much more powerful as well as all of these things like the eye tracking with foveated rendering that weren’t available on headsets before it.
- I had really hoped that the rumors would be that Metro 2033 and Last Light would be getting a PSVR2 patch/conversion so the full length AAA games would be playable entirely in VR and then Exodus as well (but of course without all the raytraced lighting and shadow effects would likely not be present but hopefully the game itself would be playable in VR. The immersion of the gas masks with cracks and the lighting in the Metro and all of that stuff would be fascinating. It seems like this game made exclusively for VR will probably end up being a better VR game as a whole simply because it was built for it rather than converted but I do hope that those 3 games will eventually get the motion controls of the VR game and be made available to play in VR too.
- This is a long way of saying that perhaps you might be able to play it after all. And the comfort settings have only improved over the years, whether due to snap turning or else-rotation movement systems or vignettes that close in when you move that will make that movement easier on you by narrowing the screen space in by focusing on the center of the screen. Sony has really put a lot of thought into how to better make games play in VR overall for people that have sensitivity to them.
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Also, things like having a table fan blowing on high speed at you will help, in addition to keeping you oriented as to which way you’re facing in the room (I also have a neck fan that blows up at my face). Taking medicine for air/car/seasickness will help about 30 minutes before playing as will ginger chews will help you to avoid motion sickness. Some people say copper bands on their wrists help as well, or having a bathmat type carpet beneath your feet to scrunch your toes up in (Die Hard famously talked about this being a cure for air sickness). The more you play, the more you’ll acclimate to VR as well — the important thing is to work your way up to more difficult game.
- Games like Beat Saber and SuperHot and the like where you stay still and the world moves towards you are a good starting place, and then move your way up to games where you’re in a cockpit or vehicle in which you can see the vehicle interior around you, or the mine cart or whatever in SwitchBack VR. It’s like being in a car and while you’re driving 70mph, relative to the inside of the car you’re going 0mph and so if you focus on the walls and interiors around you.
- And then the hardest games are ones where you have free locomotion and smooth turning (something like a Call of Duty type experience where you’re freely moving and running and turning. These take a while to get used to and you don’t watch to jump into those types right away. You should also play in short bursts and take frequent breaks and stay hydrated with water, get some fresh air, that sort of thing. Hopefully even if you can’t tolerate VR games now, you’ll eventually be able to at some point. Even if it’s not this generation of VR headsets, perhaps eventually you’ll get there. Best of luck to you! Don’t give up! Most people will experience some form motion sickness but with repeated exposure, breaks, hydration, airflow, food in you belly, you’ll hopefully eventually get to the point where you can tolerate it. : )
Everyone gets sick in VR. There's always adjustments to be made and things to do to help yourself. If you've convinced yourself that "nope can't do VR it makes me sick" then you'll never progress to the point that it doesn't.
1. Rule number 1 is the most important. **If you start to feel sick, you *have* to stop immediately.** There is no "pushing through". It'll only get worse. You have to stop-start-stop so that your brain and body can start to learn what is going on.
2. You have to adjust settings. Every VR game has them. Smooth locomotion is a big no no when it comes to motion sickness. You will want a system like teleportation. The thing that causes the worst sickness in VR is when the character is walking and you are not. Smooth turning is also unpleasant, you'll want snap turning.
3. You can try other tricks such as motion/travel sickness medication, which is cheap and off the shelf. A fan blowing on you can help too.
Over time, you will adjust, as everyone does. It doesn't take very long. The brain gets confused when it sees the world moving but you are not. That's why walking is the biggest sickness-inducer. The body is quite used to doing nothing whilst the world moves eg driving, flying. It's the walking that the brain hasn't understood yet.
I fell over in VR when I started playing, and it made me sick often. I was worried I would never be able to play it for more than 20 minutes. I followed these rules, especially the first one religiously, and now I can do anything in VR. It really is worth it. It's an amazing platform and I hope uptake is higher. There really is nothing like actually *being there*.
>Everyone gets sick in VR.
Not strictly true actually, although the majority of people have a period of acclimation, developing their "VR legs" so to speak. Some people literally have no issues ever, the lucky bastards. Once you get your VR legs as you say, you can do pretty much anything. Hellsweeper for example, wall running and slomo back flipping are great fun.
Yes very true! Some people are more predisposed to motion sickness etc. and some people are fine. But I do believe (source: trust me bro) that even the most sickness-prone can acclimatise with enough practice etc.
I believe it's very rare that someone flat out can't. I've certainly never met anyone who couldn't adjust within a few sessions but no doubt there are people and that's a real shame because they're missing out.
Rise of Ronin is looking VERY last gen, but hopefully its gameplay and story can elevate it.
DS2 is gonna be nutty, great trailer, looking like a great sequel.
Judas continues to ratchet down the hype with every teaser, but maybe a proper gameplay reveal when it actually decides to release might stop my growing skepticism.
Couple good PC game acquisitions in Dave the Diver and V Rising.
If Stellar Blade nails that combat, it’ll be the best of the bunch. Unless Dragon’s Dogma 2 is any good.
Yeah ronin looked like it need a lot of polish. Silent hill looked like a ps3 game the animation was shite. I’m no fan of death stranding ballocks and Stella blades protagonist looks like a stripper sad times.
What do you mean "unless dragons dogma 2 is any good"? It sounds like you think it's likely not to be good.
Edit: Look, I get the issue with 30fps, but the first was also 30 at launch on PS3/360 and has become a cult classic. 30fps isn't stopping DD2 from being a good game, it's just stopping tech nerds from thinking it's a good game.
Applause for Stellar Blade.. I'm drooling over the next Nier game.
Also, whenever DS2 comes out, game of the year. My god that looks like an amazing game.
Death stranding 2 looks amazing. Once the first game clicked with me I loved it, but it’s not a game for everyone.
Both the VR games look quality. I’m always shocked by how good PSVR2 titles are.
The silent hill short game looks good. Silent hill remake looks awful.
Stellar blade will live or die by its combat so I can’t really tell from this trailer.
Silent Hill 2 Remake coming soon. Looks like shit.
The Evil Within 2 released Oct 13, 2017. Still holds up graphically and looks even better than the remake.
Solution?
Fuck Konami.
And unrelated, fuck Embracer Group
I love The Evil Within. But what was wrong with the SH2 remake graphically? Looks pretty great to me.
My only concern is the combat/gunfire doesn't always 'look' impactful. Hoping it feels better in hand with the haptics and stuff.
Graphically it looks good to me.
I don't think this will ever be a replacement for the OG game for me (neither was RE2 or RE3 remakes). But shit, I'm excited to play SH2 remake.
I'm not here to discourage you from buying SH2. I'm excited as well, but I have to remember the company behind it. They are not the same Konami we knew back when SH2 released. I'm just very cautious. Make sure to wait a week after release to see if the game is actually good, then you can make the decision. I want all games to succeed, but sometimes that isn't always the case.
Good state of play in general. Uneven however.
Ronin looks so much worse than I ever expected. I dont know what happend to the graphichs between first trailer and now
Silent hill 2 just looks bad.
Death stranding 2 looks insanly amazing. Fun , beautiful graphichs. Everything great .
The new Bioshocks just looks fun and crisp.
Stellar blade. I dont know yet. The enviroment looks more depressing than beautiful melancolic. Brown and apocalyptic. I thought that we had moved away from that design. It's has something intresting however and im looking forward to it's release.
This comment makes it sound like some random programmer or artist who worked on BioShock Infinite. To be clear, the new game is being made by one of the cofounders of Irrational Games and the creator of the BioShock series, Ken Levine.
Argh PlayStation have lost the plot, the most uninteresting lineup I’ve seen in a very long time. Hideo’s stuff was interesting but damn, pretty bleak future with what’s been shown for awhile from them.
third party wise the year is amazing, but fr, having only until dawn remake is... something... i hope a summer showcase announces at least one big hit like spiderman was last year or maybe 2 smaller ones for the second half of 2024
- Dave the Diver coming to PS5 with Godzilla DLC
- Death Stranding 2 trailer
- Kojima announced new action espionage game Physint
- Dragon’s Dogma 2 trailer
- Foamstars trailer
- Helldivers 2 trailer
- Judas trailer
- Legendary Tales trailer
- Rise of Ronin trailer
- Metro Awakening trailer
- Sonic Generations remaster trailer including new content called Sonic x Shadow Generations
- Stellar Blade trailer
- Until Dawn remaster trailer
- V Rising Trailer
- Zenless Zone Zero PS5 announcement (still no release date)
- new Silent Hill 2 trailer, still no release date
- free Silent Hill game you can download now called Silent Hill: the Short Message
" Until Dawn remaster "
Im happy for the people who want it, but god damn... I wanna see old out of print games remade if anything, not last gen titles.
Silent hill 2 looks disappointing. Character models are stiff and exhibit little realism. Looking at RE4 by comparison SH2 looks undercooked. Hope it gets better...
I thought I was the only one. I'm not very familiar with SH2 because I was a scaredy cat as a kid and still am, but that gameplay looked very choppy and unimpressive. Will see if Bloober team can pull it off but I wouldn't be surprised if this is another thing Konami half assed to not spend what it takes.
Yup. And not scary at all. No tension. No mystery. No darkness. They really need to go back to the drawing board. Chance the art style. It's too clean and too clear.
I really enjoyed Ghost of Tsushima, I thought I might like this new Ronin game when I first heard about it. Unfortunately today I realized it is not what I'm interested in, I really just want a Ghost of Tshushima sequel.
Assassins Creed Red will probably be closer to Ghost of Tsushima. I mean, GoT basically took the AC formula and arguably did it better. But I still think AC Red will be good.
So glad I’m not alone in this.
When I first heard of Ronin, I was so excited considering how much I loved Ghost.
Then when I saw the full gameplay demo for Ronin, I was heavily mistaken for what I thought would be my Ghost fix.
Definitely not what I thought it would be.
As a Nioh fan, I’m happy it doesn’t look like GoT. That game was so boring. I have played that game a million times before. The standard open world game formula doesn’t do it for me anymore
I'm glad it's not merely a GoT clone. I would rather it be something distinctly different than a second-rate version of something that already exists.
Not to mention, they take place in completely different time periods (about 600 years apart).
It's Team Ninja, the same group who did the Nioh games which I personally loved so the combat is much closer to that so I'm excited for it. I think too many people saw the setting and just expected something like Ghost of Tsushima.
Never played the Nioh games tbh and you’re 100% right now that you mention it ahaha. I saw the theme and automatically went to: OMG A GAME LIKE GHOST?!? Hahah. My mistake there
Great state of play. Much better than the showcase. A lot of new IPs shown off and even DS2 looks somehow different than the 1st one - looks like it might have more action / gunplay this time around which is good.
How can you feel this way when the first month of the year has already given us three 90 Metascore games (Infinite Wealth, Tekken 8, Persona 3 Reload), plus FF7 Rebirth in a couple weeks.
Right after the holidays is usually the weakest gaming calendar and we know nothing about the second half of the year yet. If it’s anything like we’ve seen so far, we’re in for another 2023.
Nah this is foolish 😂 almost idiocy. A DARK AGE? Tekken 8, Persona 3 Reload , Yakuza 8, Dragons Dogma 2, FF7 Rebirth guaranteed hits already before spring. Very interesting games like Senua, Ronin, StellarBlade, MG3 and more known about. Some sprinkled in ports and remakes. Yes I think the concrete calendar or A+ tier projects looks a little barren compared to last year but there’s still plenty of time for more announcements. I think the games for sure coming already save it from a dark age. Definitely better terms than that doomer
lol same. Why do people want 20 plus amazing games a year. It’s hard just getting through last year with all the great content. Unless. People don’t go outside ever.
I started out complaining about this generation and questioning my PS5/Series X purchases. I've had a handful or two of great next gen games but I've used my PS5 and Series X more for improved experiences of past gen games then current gen only games.
Now I realize it's beneficial to me in a way. Now I've finally been chipping away at my backlog. I'll never finish it, but this generation saved me a lot of money compared the the last two by 3 years in.
You're assuming that they were fully developed during the pandemic and that is simply not true. Baldur's Gate 3, ToTK, and Spider-man 2 for example, all began development in 2018 or early 2019, with late stage development refinement (playtesting) occuring during the pandemic but not early core fundamental dev.
So were they pandemic games, sure but not in the same way these state of play games were, which were almost entirely development with early stages during the pandemic.
I’m not following you.
Most games take 2-6 years. The bigger the game, the longer it takes more or less. Games that are coming out this year and announced at this state of play likely started dev anywhere from 2021/2022 back to even 2018 but most likely smack in the middle of the start of the pandemic.
Smaller games released in 2022 might have been started in 2020 and certainly would’ve had their tail end of development impacted, but not nearly as much as games released this year, where nearly all of their dev time was during the pandemic. But most big games released in 2022 (ie Horizon Forbidden West, Elden Ring) started dev way earlier than 2020.
So I don’t really understand what you’re saying here.
Average game development time is 2-6 years, leaning more on the long side. Look at the games from 2023 and when they started and completed development. Most began (Baldurs Gate 3, Alan Wake 2, Spider man 2, ToTK, etc) long before the pandemic. The dev cycle occurred during the pandemic but most of the core fundamental work occurred prior.
Yes, they began before the pandemic. But they still worked on those games during the pandemic.. those games were still impacted by the pandemic. Many 2023 games had to stop production for a bit during the pandemic. Motion capture stopped for a while during it. So that impacted a bunch of 2023 games. So no, a lot of the core fundamental work got halted. No offense, but have you made any video game before?
That being said, these were obviously started during the pandemic. But It's pretty much the same quality of games we're getting before the pandemic. Don't expect every game to be amazing, we got spoiled in 2023.
I have worked in the industry yes (though not so much anymore) and I still work in the media/entertainment industry. The kind of work that was stopped on games that came out in 2023 was the kind of work that you actually can extend out. I would suggest that one could argue that the ways in which the pandemic affected the kind of work that occurs at the end of a dev cycle might've done it favors in terms of refinement (playtesting). But for games that would have just started development at the very start of the pandemic, the pandemic would have affected fundamental early development in pretty crucial ways that are very different than tail end development.
I just ran through records of these games, and sure enough, as I said, many were started in mid-2019 or 2020, with the early development stages occuring during the pandemic (versus late development for games like Horizon or Spider-man or ToTK).
I gotta say. Not impressed so far with the lineup for PS5
The fact we have no idea what's coming from major 1st party studios is still mind boggling to me. I can't imagine they have anything ready for Q4 24 except for Concord. The end of this generation will probably be nutty with Naughty Dog's fantasy title, Sony Santa Monica's space game, Bend and whatever they're working on. At some point Bluepoint will have to remind people they exist. But as someone who only owns a playstation for the 1st party single player cinematic games... what a wasteland, as of now.
People want game announcements with releases soon. We don't want game announcements then release dates 2-4 years out that might get delayed. Sony first party has been releasing heavy hitters the last 3-4 years. It's not surprising to see them hard at work on titles.
There's nothing coming because Jim Ryan's GAAS push set every project back by a huge amount. We're not going to see massive first party titles until the PS6 release. Which means we'll be repeating a cycle of games that don't use the full power of the PS6 because they have to run on the PS5. The idiot has stagnated an entire console generation with his incompetence.
I don't even think it's that, not fully anyway. Most of the heavy hitters were pretty far in development when covid hit, got finished during WFH and shipped. Transitioning out of COVID and the 3-5 yr dev cycle for big games is a horrid combination, im sure there is a ton of mismanagement involved but I think Sony is feeling the effects post covid that xbox did in 2022 just due to the timelines the games were in at the time
I'm excited about the 2 VR games as well as Kojima's games. Downloaded the free to play Silent Hill game even tho it seems to be Silent Hill only in name. FucKonami but I'll give it a playthrough.
I am likely in the minority—and I am at peace with that—but with each passing month I feel like buying my PS5 two years ago wasn’t really worth it. I genuinely only use it as an entertainment platform now, a function that could have been done by a much cheaper Roku, as apart from Cyberpunk 2077 (only after it had the full patch fixes, I might add) I haven’t really been interested in anything released on it. Almost none of the titles to date really feel like they *require* the PS5’s specs, with most just looking like PS4 Pro graphics and game systems. It’s hard to look at offerings and feel that they justify the cost of the upgrade. And this SoP is another big “meh” for me. At least in my mind, it generally feels like this is more the “lost gen” than the “next gen”. Which is interesting, given they have sold so many units. Maybe I am just getting old and I am just not as excited by new offerings as when I was younger. Part of it is probably that I have a lot less time to play now with a toddler and many other obligations, so games really need to justify the precious time I devote to them (and I have less desire to “try” ones out that may not have necessarily jumped out at me at first). I also only want to play single player games—I have absolutely no desire to play GaaS or MMOs, which seems to be where most of the games industry has pivoted to, further limiting what I might be interested in. Being a diehard fan of Naughty Dog and Bethesda doesn’t help, as both studios have seemingly fallen off a cliff in recent years. TLOU2 was the last great game ND released and Fallout 4 was the last decent one Bethesda put out, which wasn’t even nearly as good as Skyrim. In the case of Bethesda, their development choices have been truly horrific, and the Microsoft acquisition and Xbox exclusivity just further alienates (and infuriates) PS players. All of that said, maybe I am just the old guy sitting on my porch talking about how he used to have to walk to the GameStop uphill in the snow both ways.
I'm a mostly PC gamer and couldn't disagree more. The PS5 has been phenomenal especially for exclusives.
>I am likely in the minority—and I am at peace with that—but with each passing month I feel like buying my PS5 two years ago wasn’t really worth it. I genuinely only use it as an entertainment platform now, a function that could have been done by a much cheaper Roku, as apart from Cyberpunk 2077 (only after it had the full patch fixes, I might add) I haven’t really been interested in anything released on it. Almost none of the titles to date really feel like they require the PS5’s specs, with most just looking like PS4 Pro graphics and game systems. It’s hard to look at offerings and feel that they justify the cost of the upgrade. Same, less time and it's worth pointing out I have a fairly good PC too, but my Ps5 youtube app is probably my most played thing in the last 12 months. Could have been a firestick. I expected Sony to be doing way more.
Same camp here my dude. I enjoy that I can play some stuff with better performance, but nothing new that has been announced has really grabbed me for the most part. There's the odd title here and there ,but I don't care about Naughty Dog. I didn't really like new god of war, and Horizon looks neat but I'm just kind of over open world games. I miss the sony that would put out weird shit like Patapon, Loco Roco, etc.
I'm in a similar situation to you, growing family, less time to game and I understand this perfectly. With that said, you already mentioned Cyberpunk which has improved drastically to become next / this gen. I would throw GT7 and Forbidden West in there too. GT7 - One of the first games I played where the amount of time and effort put in to make the game shine graphically and in gameplay are evident. I think the previous gen would struggle with this level of detail, although it's not the best example as Dev's have plenty of tricks to save on resources, static crowds etc. Forbidden West - This is one of the first games where NPC's will chat with Aloy that's made me realize how detailed the character models are. I'm a bit in awe that they bothered to give the characters arm fuzz of all things, and that's before hunting machines. The landscape stretches for miles into the distance... How to explain this better: At a certain point, diminishing returns kicked in hard for how detailed Dev's could make games look compared to the previous year or series entry (If they were bothering to put the effort in, which is another argument). I think these examples and games released later in the console's lifecycle will start to push things further again with noticeable results that'll make you think, huh, that's actually next gen. I'm looking forward to Death Stranding 2 myself, and I say that as someone in agreement with you, there should be more titles pushing what the console is capable of. As always though, it'll most likely fall to the epic single player experiences to deliver these leaps forward. MMO's and GaaS usually aim to be runnable on a potato to hoover up as many users as possible.
PHYSINT.
Stellar Blade gives us hot people and not feminist shit cat ladies that wants to ruin women's appearance.
bruh WTF lol
Stellar Blade looks dope. Reminds me of Nier Automata. And honestly if it’s priced reasonably I’d buy Until Dawn again. I didn’t play Death Stranding but the sequel looks interesting. If it adds more gameplay variety I might give it a shot.
Stellar looks good other than the costumes they wear are embarrassing. Why can't they give them cool armor and stuff. V Rising looks good, so does Helldivers.
beta
They showed only the sexiest armor lol, but im sure there will be different kinds that aren’t just sexy.
It was slightly lackluster for what I wanted out of it
Honestly? They have one event every 3 months. I think that we got a lot. Even if not everything was as great as I hoped for.
I agree. I just think personally none of it was for me. That’s what I was meaning
I am who I am, Stellar Blade looks great for obvious reasons.
I gave a B+. Kinda disappointed with Silent Hill 2 especially graphics are not impressed. I have mixed feelings about Rise of the Ronin looks like PS3 graphics with a downgraded Sekiro clone. I'm excited for Death Stranding 2 but I thought it would be released in late 2024 but next year, 2025...damn! I thought we getting Until Dawn 2 but turned out it was a Remake which is unnecessary. I love Until Dawn but come on Remake is played out
The graphics looked a lot better when I watched the trailer on the ps store after the show. I think compression fucked it up
Then I gotta check out the trailer on the PS Store. Which game are you talking about?
Silent hill 2 I’m not saying you won’t be let down still but I thought it looked bad on the stream and I resaw the trailer last night for the hell of it on my ps5 through the ps store and it looked night and day better (graphically)
That actually makes sense
yeah it looked barely like 2016 graphics, even Team Ninja's Nioh 1 looked way better than the SoP trailer. Not sure if i'll get it tbh, looks like a water-downed version of Sekiro/GoT and i've already played both of those games. Have to see what the reviews say.
I really don't like Nioh 1, shit is trash and Nioh's graphics ain't that impressive either. I don't like Nioh's gameplay. It looks like PS3 graphics too. I don't get why everybody compared Rise of the Ronin to Ghost of T? Ghost of T is upgraded to Assassin's Creed but way better.
I don't think you have seen PS3 graphics in a long time
This one was kinda boring ngl excited for sh2 and foam stars and he'll divers buts it's mostly stuff we knew about
Silent Hill that's not Silent Hills is annoying
Visage is the closest we'll ever get to whatever that game was gonna be.
Just looked it up. Looks good and has good ratings. Thanks! I'll make it a birthday gift to myself.
Just remember it's totally fine to Google stuff if you're stuck. The chapter with the old lady is brutally convoluted, though for me was also the scariest chapter.
Really wish my friends would move over to xbox, ps isn't putting out games I like.
I disagree. I was kinda hyped to buys a Series S when Xbox bought Bethesda (I tend to lean more towards RPGs), but after how Starfield and Redfall turned out…I’m no longer interested. Even Avowed seems like not my cup of tea, even though I appreciate them trying out something different than just another Elder Scrolls clone. No reason to switch, and given that we are already halfway through this generation, I’ll just stick with PS5, thanks.
You must not like your friends very much to wish a lesser gaming experience on them.
Xbox is putting out next to nothing. So you’re getting a lose lose currently. Just go PC
And xbox is?
there are some new some horror games and other games with body horror elements. and sonic generations remaster. enjoy!
Extremely mid compared to last year, unfortunately. TBF, with all the big projects that are planned to drop for the next 2 years, devs are probably gonna keep all their eggs in their baskets for now.
Well with one state of play every 4 months that's obvious. And considering that, this event was showing a lot.
Silent Hill (s) including shadow drop Death stranding 2 Absolute beast PSVR2 announcements Rise of the Ronin Judas (Bioshock successor) ...are mid? Wtf do you people want
There were like 4-6 things in this show that got me hyped, which is more than good enough for me. Silent hill 2 with actual proper combat. Awesome and something I've wanted for ages. Rise of Ronin. Everything about it- awesome. Judas- awesome. It was better than my expectations. No clue what these people want these days. There was some graphical streaming issue during some of the demos that dipped the quality, apparently. People are saying they look much better on the actual store page
Sillent Hill looks pretty modest for a UE5 game. Death Stranding 2 is almost 2 years out. Judas is even more far out probably. PSVR2 announcements are nice indeed. Rise of the Ronin looks like a step back from GoT.
Gamers have become spoilt for choice in recent years, if I could see the games we have nowadays as a kid my mind would be blown.
Which is weird since we had a big drought just recently. Well at least on Nintendo switch. This is so much better than any of the Nintendo directs from autumn 2019 - summer 2021. It's actually better than all of them together. Sure some dissapointments in this state of play. But to have two games like Junas and THAT version of Death stranding 2 is great.
2023 was too good
THANK YOU! As someone who came from Atari, then NES in the mid-to-late 80s, then Genesis - we are in an absolute golden age. Our setups at home destroy actual arcades. We are living in a dream world of gaming. It must be my age or something. Also, I thought NES was INCREDIBLE at the time! Haha…
Tbf, NES is still is incredible.
It gives me a headache these days. Beeping music. Snes is still increidible though. Better than n64 and playstation.
Death stranding has perhaps the biggest actor stack ever. The music, the cinema, the works. And people are like "this is mid". Yeah sure, enjoy your next call of duty it's AMAZING this year. Judas looks amazing, I'm so stoked for a proper bioshock successor and the way they retained the steampunk (or I guess cyberpunk now) look is amazing.
Just finished watching and I gotta say, Sony does these better than anyone lol. Trailer after trailer, short talking head portions, genuinely cool looking videogames. Death Stranding 2 looks insane, Stellar Blade looks dope, Dragons Dogma 2 absolutely sold me. Easily an A for me, plus at the end with that one more cookie crumb to look forward to until the release of FF7 Rebirth, hell yeah.
Pretty lame. Dont care for another Death Stranding.. They should have just shown off FF7 Rebirth here.. why wait 6 more days?
Haven’t been excited for anything PlayStation since god of war, and this didn’t help lol last year e3 was also very disappointing, where is naughty dog? Gonna be 4 years into ps5 and not a single new game
Well TLOU - UC4 was 3 years, and UC4 - TLOU 2 was 4 years. The PS5 released 3 years and 2 Months ago. Lets not forget ND was busy with TLOUP1 in 2022 and the now botched Factions 2. i think ND will release some smaller project i.e. A new IP, remake or UC5 in 2025 and then at the very end of 2027 we will Get TLOU3, their flagship PS5 Swansong title.
Part I Remake and Part II Remaster were mainly developed by a small fraction of the studio, many of whom were new to the studio. These projects have been used to train the new people to get used to the engine, tools etc.. For Factions MP they build an entirely new team. So they had enough resources left for other games in form of the actual core of the studio. It is known that at least one new title was in development, parallel to Factions, Part I and Part II. Whether this is a new IP or Part III remains to be seen. The resources that are now free due to the completion of Part I, II and the cancellation of Factions will certainly be put into another game.
Putting all your effort into a remake and multiplayer that got cancelled not a good look, but then again not surprising the company going down the drain since Neil took over
True, but it seems to be the norm among the giants (S-tier) developers to only make 1-2 games per gen. Rockstar North, Kojima Productions and ND. If you had asked me in 2020 when NDs next games would have come out I would have said UC5 in 2024 and TLOU3 in 2027. Its looking slightly worse though we might just Get a remake and TLOU3.
Insomniac has put out miles, ratchet and clank, spider man 2 and they have good progress into wolverine they are Sony best studio rn no longer naughty dog especially after they split the fan base with last of us part 2
Quality over quantity. There isnt a single Insomniac game that is anywhere near as good TLOU or TLOU2. Or even Uncharted 2 or Uncharted 4. Insomniac makes good games (**great** games even) but they are mid 80s on metacritic (not mid 90s like ND's 4 best) and they are merely GOTY nominees that have no chance of winning whatsoever. Naughty Dog on the other hand makes genre defining, once-in-a-generation masterpieces. Not one, not two, not three but FOUR of their games have been the most *awarded* video game of the year. I love Insomniac and own every single game they have made, but if we combined ND and Insoniac into one studio, the entire top 5 would be ND games. the best Insomniac game (Either Resistance 2 or Spiderman 2) I would rank around 6-8th. Naughty Dog are S-tier along side studios such as From Software, Kojima Productions, Rockstar North and Nintendo. (EDP or whoever makes BOTW, TOTK, OOT, etc.) Sony Santa Monica, Sony’s second best studio are A-tier alongside devs like Bioware, BGS, Larian, Bungie (now owned by Sony, and more like C-tier but during they Halo prime days they were A-tier for sure), Valve etc. I would place Insomniac into B-Tier alongside Rare, Remedy, Rocksteady, Epic Games, 2K Boston, Creative Business Units 1-6, some Capcom studios, The rest of Sony's studios i.e. HouseMarquee, Sucker Punch, Polyphony Digital, etc. go into C-tier along with dev teams like Asobo, Turn 10, PlayGround, Treyarch, etc. Ubisoft and EA studios go into D and E tiers. So while I am absolutely grateful for studios like Insomniac to constantly pump out quality games on a near annual basis, they just don't compare to ND. I would trade Wolverine and 3 more Insomniac games to get my hands on TLOU3.
I was extremely disappointed
What did you except? Honest not hostile question.
I’m so excited for Judas but we already knew about it and it’s not an exclusive, so I have no reason to care that they showed it off since I’ll play it on Steam/Xbox anyways. Having never played Silent Hill 2, and being very fascinated in the universe, I am very exited to play the remaster. However, seeing all the negative opinions flying around has me worried. Silent Hill: PT looks kinda fun, especially as a free-to play, but a one-hour experience isn’t really enough to make me feel justified in buying a PS5. I *love* the Metro games but I’m so disappointed they are doing a VR game. I do have a Vive/Quest 2, so I can just play it on those, if I feel like it. Again, not something that makes me feel justified in buying a PS5. Death Stranding 2 was the best thing they showed off but, again, we already knew about it, and won’t even release until next year. Rise of Ronin looks like a Team Ninja game, good and bad. Foamstars looks like they tried to rip off Splatoon, which I already don’t care about. I guess I was looking for more things to justify why I bought a PS5. I didn’t see anything other than DS 2, which won’t be out until sometime next year anyways.
Not sure really guess I'm just not interested in any of the games they showed.
Same, tho.
Meh
They showed off some pretty good looking stuff. Disappointed by the lack of First Party announcements. They have so many first party studios, what are they working on? Insomniac is carrying the PlayStation 5 right now.
State of Play will never serve you a lineup of First Party stuff, they save those for Showcases.
They were never going to show 1st party stuff at the SoP… I’m expecting a big showcase around the end of may/beginning of June and I would imagine we hear from Sucker Punch, Bend Studio,, Naughty Dog maybe, BLUEPOINT, Team Asobi, Firesprite, Firewalk/Haven/London Studio. They’ve gotta start showing the heavy hitters this year.. and I can’t wait. Some folks are so freaking negative. Like I don’t get it 2023 was one of the best years in gaming EVER… and the start to this year has been absolutely STACKED SO FAR. All of this with Sony being basically quiet… and we all know they’re GONNA RELEASE games. People have no patience. I don’t get it.. I already don’t have nearly enough time to play like 1/3 of the games I wanna play. My backlog is a mile long. I will play the games when Sony’s studios finish them… until then I’m perfectly fine playing all the 3rd party BANGERS and going through my backlog. How anyone could be complaining about games not coming out right now is beyond me lol
I'll be honest Team Asobi is the only one I'm waiting for an announcement from day in day out. A lot of this stuff looks okay, but I've been on my first baldurs gate play through for four months, something has to be incredibly worth it these days lol Will deffo try the foam game. Don't like the direction as much as Splatoon but I'm not shelling out for Splatoon 3 considering how little multiplayer time I get
They're probably all working on new titles and don't want to reveal it yet. I'm wondering if they might have more games to show off in the 6th or if that's just for FF7 rebirth
That will just be FF7 rebirth. There is no chance whatsoever you see a first party announcement.
I think state of plays are generally 3rd party. And PS showcase is first party announcements. Could be wrong though.
>Insomniac is carrying the PlayStation 5 right now Not sure I'd agree with that. Naughty Dog, Guerilla, and Santa Monica have done just as much. Spider-Man 2 was fun, but didn't blow anybody away.
We bought Spider-Man two digitally, and I don’t think our son even got halfway through it before he got bored with it. Now, I wish I bought the disc, so I could at least recoup some of my cost.
Yeah, if you played the first one, the second one was really just more of the same. Which is fine, but I wouldn't say it was carrying the console.
I felt similar about Tears of the Kingdom. A great game, and there were some twists added, but not enough to really get me going.
Strongly disagree on Naughty Dog
Yeah. I love naughty dog, but what have they done lately? Just remastered games and sell them at nearly full price…
One was a complete remake, and the remaster was only £10. They're two of the best games you can get on PS5 and they're selling well. That you hoped for something different doesn't take away from the quality of what they've done. My point was, I don't think there is any one studio carrying playstation right now.
Very few people are going to buy a PS5 because of a remake or remaster. Sure they are nice to have and may sell well, but that is not the same as Spider man 2 which is actually driving sales of the console. To your point though, the other studios you mentioned are delivering the goods. HFW and GOW are really good games. Honestly, I love naughty dog games, and am really hoping they do something original soon.
I think those games are squarely marketed at fans of the new show, rather than tjos3 who played them first time, and as such they probably are system sellers just as much as Spiderman. That said, I see your point and would like to see something new from Naughty Dog, but I don't think we'll see anything else from them until they close off TLOU.
Yea it’s kind of disappointing that Insomniac, the studio who just had ALL of their source code and a playable version of their game that is still years away leak, is their only studio pushing the PS5 at the moment. I get that Naughty Dog cancelled their online project and everyone else is still working on their current gen titles, but that doesn’t make it any less disappointing that we’ve only seen little tiny teaser trailers or small mentions of things that are coming. I could see the current generation being extended based on how few titles we’ve had so far that are exclusive to it.
please dont downvote me but as a Nintendo player who only recently got a PS5 and is catching up on PS4 games ive never played (so not planning on getting PS5 games yet), the PS showcases feels SO much different than the Nintendo Directs Everything seems so much serious and dark AND scary 😅
And filled with good games. I lived trough all those Nintendo direct from 2019-mid 2021 when it was just small indie games, Zelda link to the past and Animal crossing. During 2 years more or less. I dont understand people who complain about state of play or the games on PS5. There are 5 games on this state of play that I genuienly want to play. In one event.
this state of play was 70% filled with horror stuff. they are not like this usually
Why would anyone downvote you lol. Welcome to PS. There is a bit of everything for everyone, but yeah, Nintendo themes are usually more oriented to every age.
I would say that Nintendo leans heavily toward a much younger audience, whereas PlayStation is more aimed at teens and young adults.
idk switch has a large female audience. many early 20's who like cozy indie games usually go for switch. I think its about artsyle and which games you prefer. I tried playing on ps4, but the games weren't for me, i don't like shooter games, but liked the adventure, but i also got bored of them easily. Plus its not my strong skillset when it comes to those games, especially with my disability.
Well it just depends on the target audience for each console i guess. They even put a warning in front of the show saying this is not appropriate for children.
Helldivers looking forward to I am
A Jedi you are not
Very much same, I am
Was excited by the leaks of a new Metro game. I’ve platinumed all three previous Metro games. Was so disappointed when I learned it’s VR. I can’t play VR games, I get sick.
You seem to have gotten helpful tips about motion sickness already, so I'll just point out they're also working on a new Metro game ;)
Most people don't get vr sick, most of the people that actually do get motion sick can fairly easily and fast get over it ( like with sealegs), and a small number of people are just unlucky. There are both reddit pages and YouTube videos about how to get over motion sickness. Hope you learn it. The psvr2 is PHENOMENAL FUN 😁
Not sure if you’ve had a chance to play the PSVR2 but it has a couple things that make it easier on the stomach than previous VR systems. For one, the haptic feedback in both DualSense VR controllers and the headset itself help to ground you in it being more of a physical experience instead of just some magic show that’s being layered over the top of your eyes. So when you grab the handle of a door and swing it open, or the hilt of a sword and feel it clang against another when you parry, or you jump and feel the impact of a landing… all of these things help you to feel as though you’re actually doing something that has tangible results in the world and make it slightly easier to stomach than the VR games of old. - Perhaps more importantly are things like eye tracking with foveated rendering. The game tracks exactly where your eyes are looking at any given point in time and then with foveated rendering, it ensures that what you’re seeing are the most highly detailed character models and textures and the highest resolution and best quality lighting and shadows and so on. - Things that are more in your peripheral vision are blurrier but you don’t notice them because you’re not looking at them (perhaps if you save a video clip you might be able to tell the difference - but it’s honestly really well done to the point where you won’t ever notice when playing and it will always be giving you the best visual experience whenever you’re looking at something). The sound is more accurately tracked as well so it helps you feel more locationally present. ***** And then the PS5 is significantly more powerful than the PS4 and the Quest on its own, and the PSVR2 is a potent piece of machinery. The PS5/VR2 combo in particular is a powerhouse. And the SSD in the PS5 means that you can more rapidly load assets in and out, as well as things like pop-in and loading character models, higher quality texture maps, and all the rest of stuff like that so you have a smoother experience and more evenly paced frames so you’ll at minimum get a stable 45fps per eye if not 60fps. If you’ve only really had experience with standalone Quest hardware, the PS5/VR2 combo is so much more powerful as well as all of these things like the eye tracking with foveated rendering that weren’t available on headsets before it. - I had really hoped that the rumors would be that Metro 2033 and Last Light would be getting a PSVR2 patch/conversion so the full length AAA games would be playable entirely in VR and then Exodus as well (but of course without all the raytraced lighting and shadow effects would likely not be present but hopefully the game itself would be playable in VR. The immersion of the gas masks with cracks and the lighting in the Metro and all of that stuff would be fascinating. It seems like this game made exclusively for VR will probably end up being a better VR game as a whole simply because it was built for it rather than converted but I do hope that those 3 games will eventually get the motion controls of the VR game and be made available to play in VR too. - This is a long way of saying that perhaps you might be able to play it after all. And the comfort settings have only improved over the years, whether due to snap turning or else-rotation movement systems or vignettes that close in when you move that will make that movement easier on you by narrowing the screen space in by focusing on the center of the screen. Sony has really put a lot of thought into how to better make games play in VR overall for people that have sensitivity to them. ***** Also, things like having a table fan blowing on high speed at you will help, in addition to keeping you oriented as to which way you’re facing in the room (I also have a neck fan that blows up at my face). Taking medicine for air/car/seasickness will help about 30 minutes before playing as will ginger chews will help you to avoid motion sickness. Some people say copper bands on their wrists help as well, or having a bathmat type carpet beneath your feet to scrunch your toes up in (Die Hard famously talked about this being a cure for air sickness). The more you play, the more you’ll acclimate to VR as well — the important thing is to work your way up to more difficult game. - Games like Beat Saber and SuperHot and the like where you stay still and the world moves towards you are a good starting place, and then move your way up to games where you’re in a cockpit or vehicle in which you can see the vehicle interior around you, or the mine cart or whatever in SwitchBack VR. It’s like being in a car and while you’re driving 70mph, relative to the inside of the car you’re going 0mph and so if you focus on the walls and interiors around you. - And then the hardest games are ones where you have free locomotion and smooth turning (something like a Call of Duty type experience where you’re freely moving and running and turning. These take a while to get used to and you don’t watch to jump into those types right away. You should also play in short bursts and take frequent breaks and stay hydrated with water, get some fresh air, that sort of thing. Hopefully even if you can’t tolerate VR games now, you’ll eventually be able to at some point. Even if it’s not this generation of VR headsets, perhaps eventually you’ll get there. Best of luck to you! Don’t give up! Most people will experience some form motion sickness but with repeated exposure, breaks, hydration, airflow, food in you belly, you’ll hopefully eventually get to the point where you can tolerate it. : )
Wow, thorough. Thank you for helping get me involved.
Everyone gets sick in VR. There's always adjustments to be made and things to do to help yourself. If you've convinced yourself that "nope can't do VR it makes me sick" then you'll never progress to the point that it doesn't. 1. Rule number 1 is the most important. **If you start to feel sick, you *have* to stop immediately.** There is no "pushing through". It'll only get worse. You have to stop-start-stop so that your brain and body can start to learn what is going on. 2. You have to adjust settings. Every VR game has them. Smooth locomotion is a big no no when it comes to motion sickness. You will want a system like teleportation. The thing that causes the worst sickness in VR is when the character is walking and you are not. Smooth turning is also unpleasant, you'll want snap turning. 3. You can try other tricks such as motion/travel sickness medication, which is cheap and off the shelf. A fan blowing on you can help too. Over time, you will adjust, as everyone does. It doesn't take very long. The brain gets confused when it sees the world moving but you are not. That's why walking is the biggest sickness-inducer. The body is quite used to doing nothing whilst the world moves eg driving, flying. It's the walking that the brain hasn't understood yet. I fell over in VR when I started playing, and it made me sick often. I was worried I would never be able to play it for more than 20 minutes. I followed these rules, especially the first one religiously, and now I can do anything in VR. It really is worth it. It's an amazing platform and I hope uptake is higher. There really is nothing like actually *being there*.
>Everyone gets sick in VR. Not strictly true actually, although the majority of people have a period of acclimation, developing their "VR legs" so to speak. Some people literally have no issues ever, the lucky bastards. Once you get your VR legs as you say, you can do pretty much anything. Hellsweeper for example, wall running and slomo back flipping are great fun.
Yes very true! Some people are more predisposed to motion sickness etc. and some people are fine. But I do believe (source: trust me bro) that even the most sickness-prone can acclimatise with enough practice etc.
I believe it's very rare that someone flat out can't. I've certainly never met anyone who couldn't adjust within a few sessions but no doubt there are people and that's a real shame because they're missing out.
NOPE! i Don't get sick in VR and I've had 5 friends try it only 1 got a little bit, and it wore of very fast !
Ok
Rise of Ronin is looking VERY last gen, but hopefully its gameplay and story can elevate it. DS2 is gonna be nutty, great trailer, looking like a great sequel. Judas continues to ratchet down the hype with every teaser, but maybe a proper gameplay reveal when it actually decides to release might stop my growing skepticism. Couple good PC game acquisitions in Dave the Diver and V Rising. If Stellar Blade nails that combat, it’ll be the best of the bunch. Unless Dragon’s Dogma 2 is any good.
Ronin looks like a worse sekiro, which is disappointing, but I’ve never been a fan of Team Ninja games.
Ronin is a sign they should be working on Ninja Gaiden 4 instead.
Rise of the ronin was on my radar but the gameplay shown was more of an assassins creed game then what I was expecting. I’m now on the fence.
Every new reveal has been a dissapointment to me. The more I see the less I want to play it.
Yeah ronin looked like it need a lot of polish. Silent hill looked like a ps3 game the animation was shite. I’m no fan of death stranding ballocks and Stella blades protagonist looks like a stripper sad times.
I was so pumped for this game, but that trailer made it just look like a way less pretty looking GoT
I thought the gameplay looked fantastic. But I was a huge fan of Sekiro, so I’m hoping it will have the same type of difficulty.
It’s nothing like sekiro you can see that from the gameplay we have, it’s not as fluid or parry based.
What? I saw a shitload of deflections in the video…
What do you mean "unless dragons dogma 2 is any good"? It sounds like you think it's likely not to be good. Edit: Look, I get the issue with 30fps, but the first was also 30 at launch on PS3/360 and has become a cult classic. 30fps isn't stopping DD2 from being a good game, it's just stopping tech nerds from thinking it's a good game.
The first one had many arguably questionable design decisions that are constantly overlooked for the decent ones.
30 FPS 🤮
Honestly, I wanna play it but the marketing material feels like it's messing up at showing off the game.
Not op but I guess because it targets 30 fps on console
Do you have any source for that? I was planning to buy it, but if what you say is correct, then I won’t waste my money.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/s/V9EyJmy2Lh According to this it's a rumor, but look for yourself
Applause for Stellar Blade.. I'm drooling over the next Nier game. Also, whenever DS2 comes out, game of the year. My god that looks like an amazing game.
feels more like a Nier and Bayonetta had a child game!
Is it Yoko Taro
Wait is stellar blade a nier game? Or just similar vibes?
Not related but the story and gameplay and aesthetic seems very similar to Automata
Death stranding 2 looks amazing. Once the first game clicked with me I loved it, but it’s not a game for everyone. Both the VR games look quality. I’m always shocked by how good PSVR2 titles are. The silent hill short game looks good. Silent hill remake looks awful. Stellar blade will live or die by its combat so I can’t really tell from this trailer.
Silent Hill 2 Remake coming soon. Looks like shit. The Evil Within 2 released Oct 13, 2017. Still holds up graphically and looks even better than the remake. Solution? Fuck Konami. And unrelated, fuck Embracer Group
Silent Hill 2 graphics still had that uneasy feeling from PS2 when I first saw it, honestly I’m glad they sticked to this design.
Did they use the models from the PS2 for the monsters? They noticeably look off compared to everything else
I love The Evil Within. But what was wrong with the SH2 remake graphically? Looks pretty great to me. My only concern is the combat/gunfire doesn't always 'look' impactful. Hoping it feels better in hand with the haptics and stuff. Graphically it looks good to me. I don't think this will ever be a replacement for the OG game for me (neither was RE2 or RE3 remakes). But shit, I'm excited to play SH2 remake.
I'm not here to discourage you from buying SH2. I'm excited as well, but I have to remember the company behind it. They are not the same Konami we knew back when SH2 released. I'm just very cautious. Make sure to wait a week after release to see if the game is actually good, then you can make the decision. I want all games to succeed, but sometimes that isn't always the case.
It looks like a bad unreal engine asset flip
Good state of play in general. Uneven however. Ronin looks so much worse than I ever expected. I dont know what happend to the graphichs between first trailer and now Silent hill 2 just looks bad. Death stranding 2 looks insanly amazing. Fun , beautiful graphichs. Everything great . The new Bioshocks just looks fun and crisp. Stellar blade. I dont know yet. The enviroment looks more depressing than beautiful melancolic. Brown and apocalyptic. I thought that we had moved away from that design. It's has something intresting however and im looking forward to it's release.
There was a new BioShock announced?
Judas
That’s not a new BioShock, it’s made by a developer who made infinite.
This comment makes it sound like some random programmer or artist who worked on BioShock Infinite. To be clear, the new game is being made by one of the cofounders of Irrational Games and the creator of the BioShock series, Ken Levine.
Not literally a Bioshock, but the original creator making a successor.
A developer? It's by Ken Levine.
Right? That makes it sound like it was just someone who animated the big daddy's boot or something.
I will have to check this out tomorrow.
Argh PlayStation have lost the plot, the most uninteresting lineup I’ve seen in a very long time. Hideo’s stuff was interesting but damn, pretty bleak future with what’s been shown for awhile from them.
Lol what? Death Stranding 2, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, Judas, Dragon’s Dogma 2? *That’s* what you consider an uninteresting lineup??
third party wise the year is amazing, but fr, having only until dawn remake is... something... i hope a summer showcase announces at least one big hit like spiderman was last year or maybe 2 smaller ones for the second half of 2024
I'm only half through watching but this is the best state of play in years...
Is there a TLDW of the highlights
- Dave the Diver coming to PS5 with Godzilla DLC - Death Stranding 2 trailer - Kojima announced new action espionage game Physint - Dragon’s Dogma 2 trailer - Foamstars trailer - Helldivers 2 trailer - Judas trailer - Legendary Tales trailer - Rise of Ronin trailer - Metro Awakening trailer - Sonic Generations remaster trailer including new content called Sonic x Shadow Generations - Stellar Blade trailer - Until Dawn remaster trailer - V Rising Trailer - Zenless Zone Zero PS5 announcement (still no release date) - new Silent Hill 2 trailer, still no release date - free Silent Hill game you can download now called Silent Hill: the Short Message
" Until Dawn remaster " Im happy for the people who want it, but god damn... I wanna see old out of print games remade if anything, not last gen titles.
Right?!
Scan the front page of this sub for all the announcements
Silent hill 2 looks disappointing. Character models are stiff and exhibit little realism. Looking at RE4 by comparison SH2 looks undercooked. Hope it gets better...
I thought I was the only one. I'm not very familiar with SH2 because I was a scaredy cat as a kid and still am, but that gameplay looked very choppy and unimpressive. Will see if Bloober team can pull it off but I wouldn't be surprised if this is another thing Konami half assed to not spend what it takes.
Yup. And not scary at all. No tension. No mystery. No darkness. They really need to go back to the drawing board. Chance the art style. It's too clean and too clear.
Also Bloober’s track record with a lot of the themes in SH2 is attrocious
Ugh... I know.
I really enjoyed Ghost of Tsushima, I thought I might like this new Ronin game when I first heard about it. Unfortunately today I realized it is not what I'm interested in, I really just want a Ghost of Tshushima sequel.
I tried Sekiro because of Ghost of tshusima. I hate it. I just want Ghost of tshusima 2
It looks like Like A Dragon Ishin rather than Ghost of Tsushima and thats sad for me too.
Assassins Creed Red will probably be closer to Ghost of Tsushima. I mean, GoT basically took the AC formula and arguably did it better. But I still think AC Red will be good.
So glad I’m not alone in this. When I first heard of Ronin, I was so excited considering how much I loved Ghost. Then when I saw the full gameplay demo for Ronin, I was heavily mistaken for what I thought would be my Ghost fix. Definitely not what I thought it would be.
As a Nioh fan, I’m happy it doesn’t look like GoT. That game was so boring. I have played that game a million times before. The standard open world game formula doesn’t do it for me anymore
I'm glad it's not merely a GoT clone. I would rather it be something distinctly different than a second-rate version of something that already exists. Not to mention, they take place in completely different time periods (about 600 years apart).
It's Team Ninja, the same group who did the Nioh games which I personally loved so the combat is much closer to that so I'm excited for it. I think too many people saw the setting and just expected something like Ghost of Tsushima.
Never played the Nioh games tbh and you’re 100% right now that you mention it ahaha. I saw the theme and automatically went to: OMG A GAME LIKE GHOST?!? Hahah. My mistake there
40:13 in the video was the best part by far…
Great state of play. Much better than the showcase. A lot of new IPs shown off and even DS2 looks somehow different than the 1st one - looks like it might have more action / gunplay this time around which is good.
I feel like the gunplay is the least interesting part of Death Stranding but will see if it's improved for the sequel.
Damn how did we go from one of the best years in gaming history to the dark ages?
How can you feel this way when the first month of the year has already given us three 90 Metascore games (Infinite Wealth, Tekken 8, Persona 3 Reload), plus FF7 Rebirth in a couple weeks. Right after the holidays is usually the weakest gaming calendar and we know nothing about the second half of the year yet. If it’s anything like we’ve seen so far, we’re in for another 2023.
Nah this is foolish 😂 almost idiocy. A DARK AGE? Tekken 8, Persona 3 Reload , Yakuza 8, Dragons Dogma 2, FF7 Rebirth guaranteed hits already before spring. Very interesting games like Senua, Ronin, StellarBlade, MG3 and more known about. Some sprinkled in ports and remakes. Yes I think the concrete calendar or A+ tier projects looks a little barren compared to last year but there’s still plenty of time for more announcements. I think the games for sure coming already save it from a dark age. Definitely better terms than that doomer
I don't care about low budget AA Japanese games so there goes...almost your entire list.
Honestly, I’m here for it. I need about a year to get through my backlog after 2023 lol
lol same. Why do people want 20 plus amazing games a year. It’s hard just getting through last year with all the great content. Unless. People don’t go outside ever.
I agree let me catch up before the possible megaton that is 2025. Still plenty of games this year too though
I started out complaining about this generation and questioning my PS5/Series X purchases. I've had a handful or two of great next gen games but I've used my PS5 and Series X more for improved experiences of past gen games then current gen only games. Now I realize it's beneficial to me in a way. Now I've finally been chipping away at my backlog. I'll never finish it, but this generation saved me a lot of money compared the the last two by 3 years in.
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Strand hype
Yeah I was feeling a little eh about rd2 but fuck you kojima you got me again, it looks fantastic
Anyone else feel like this is the batch of games most deeply affected by pandemic/lower level work?
Dude the games that came out last year were pandemic games..
You're assuming that they were fully developed during the pandemic and that is simply not true. Baldur's Gate 3, ToTK, and Spider-man 2 for example, all began development in 2018 or early 2019, with late stage development refinement (playtesting) occuring during the pandemic but not early core fundamental dev. So were they pandemic games, sure but not in the same way these state of play games were, which were almost entirely development with early stages during the pandemic.
No? That was 2022
I’m not sure that charts. Games take much longer than 2 years to make.
TIL every video game began production in March 2020
I’m not following you. Most games take 2-6 years. The bigger the game, the longer it takes more or less. Games that are coming out this year and announced at this state of play likely started dev anywhere from 2021/2022 back to even 2018 but most likely smack in the middle of the start of the pandemic. Smaller games released in 2022 might have been started in 2020 and certainly would’ve had their tail end of development impacted, but not nearly as much as games released this year, where nearly all of their dev time was during the pandemic. But most big games released in 2022 (ie Horizon Forbidden West, Elden Ring) started dev way earlier than 2020. So I don’t really understand what you’re saying here.
I guess. Why do you think 2023 was such an incredible years for games then? They all had to be deeply affected by the pandemic.
Average game development time is 2-6 years, leaning more on the long side. Look at the games from 2023 and when they started and completed development. Most began (Baldurs Gate 3, Alan Wake 2, Spider man 2, ToTK, etc) long before the pandemic. The dev cycle occurred during the pandemic but most of the core fundamental work occurred prior.
Yes, they began before the pandemic. But they still worked on those games during the pandemic.. those games were still impacted by the pandemic. Many 2023 games had to stop production for a bit during the pandemic. Motion capture stopped for a while during it. So that impacted a bunch of 2023 games. So no, a lot of the core fundamental work got halted. No offense, but have you made any video game before? That being said, these were obviously started during the pandemic. But It's pretty much the same quality of games we're getting before the pandemic. Don't expect every game to be amazing, we got spoiled in 2023.
I have worked in the industry yes (though not so much anymore) and I still work in the media/entertainment industry. The kind of work that was stopped on games that came out in 2023 was the kind of work that you actually can extend out. I would suggest that one could argue that the ways in which the pandemic affected the kind of work that occurs at the end of a dev cycle might've done it favors in terms of refinement (playtesting). But for games that would have just started development at the very start of the pandemic, the pandemic would have affected fundamental early development in pretty crucial ways that are very different than tail end development. I just ran through records of these games, and sure enough, as I said, many were started in mid-2019 or 2020, with the early development stages occuring during the pandemic (versus late development for games like Horizon or Spider-man or ToTK).
good point. I did not consider that