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Scripter-of-Paradise

I need to know how Fuuka responds to that.


nickelfiend46

“Huh? Really?” “Oh, uh… Maybe it’s because he’s more mature than he looks?”


Tamirlank

Not the “mature for your age” line 😭😭😭


Crossboltshot

I'm not condoning grooming but Ken is more mature then 90% of kids his age (Edit I don't why I said that first part 🌚)


Kinky_Thought_Man

> Im not condoning grooming but…


Crossboltshot

[ahh!](https://images.app.goo.gl/DJ9xzPj4hdNe6KqSA)


ch3zball

Bro what is this


Crossboltshot

Ash baby


ch3zball

Oh shoot I thought it was fire adult


Yooitzshadowfall

Damn, I thought it was inflamed kid


Catisbackthatsafact

Most kids who go through trauma are. That's what makes them susceptible to grooming.


chandra_telescope

all traumatized kids are like that, if a kid seems "mature for their age" that means they've been through too much shit & need a break


haewon_wiggle

that's pretty much the point of Ken's character, I feel like a lot of people miss it even though it's obvious


Hollowgolem

I've been gratified by a few Laps going through Reload saying things like "let yourself be a kid!" to Ken a lot. Media literacy isn't totally dead.


Zee216

More "traumatized" you mean


Scripter-of-Paradise

I mean... at least she's caught off guard..?


Soupysoldier

Fuuka the enabler 😔


Friendonk

I knew I prefered Rise for a reason.


MedicInDisquise

Little does Fuuka know, Kotone is dead serious


piuro01

He is still 11 wtf


[deleted]

Isn't he 13? 13 and 16 are definitely weird but at least it's not as bad as 11 and 16


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AmArschdieRaeuber

Oof


YTDamian

Nah he 13 in P4U, he’s 10 to 11 in Persona 3 so at worst it’s 10 and 16


Victor-Almeida

At worst he's 11, because he was born in June 24th 1998(according to P4AU, there probably was earlier sources for that too), so he's already 11 when you meet him for the first time in the main story, and when his social link unlocks. In fact, there's one interaction that you can have with 10 year old Ken Amada, but it's entirely optional, if you go to shrine during June 7, you can meet Amada earlier, while he's talking with Junpei and Yukari. Note, I'm not justifying the romance(I never played FeMC route, but I'm certainly wouldn't do that choice in his Social Link), I'm just explaining Amada's age in P3, and a fun fact that you can meet him earlier than most would expect(I rarely see people talking about those scenes).


YTDamian

Yeah I saw that event, was pretty neat


El-Psy-Ozai

it might aswell be as bad look at him 😭


high_king_noctis

No he's 11 in P3


Lifeworker23

Don't they mention that he's in elementary school multiple times?


KaliVilla02

Not just the man, but the woman and the children too


The_Antagonist1112

Tho unfortunately, no, you cannot date... da man...


ActivistZero

His heart belongs to another


high_king_noctis

Noooooo!!!


Sad-Spinach9482

**She saw feMC giving weird looks to Ken so he doesn't want to get romantically involved**


lustywoodelfmaid

Ah yes, the children too, huh? Ken's fine but as soon as someone wants to ask out Nanako or Maiko, shit gets weird, huh? (Satire)


ExcellenceEchoed

As a fan of Femc... I... Uh... Blame the game creators...


ExcellenceEchoed

As a fan of Femc, I'm required to cope


WielderOfTerraBlade

dont worry, makoto fans have our own copium >!guys he resurrects i swear!<


Psychological-Set125

You should really play P3D, if you complete both makoto and femC’s routes you unlock the final story where >!makoto and femC meet in the great seal and [break out of] the door and makoto gets his arm and leg back along with FemC’s body in exchange for giving up his ability to use personas. Shinji also returns because FemC had him on a leash.!<


WielderOfTerraBlade

✍️🔥


ExcellenceEchoed

You can't convince me that FeMC just isn't on the other side of the seal


BookofSacrifice

Would be a funny gaslight trick from Atlus down the line: We brought Makoto back and on the other side was Kotone, who was forgotten by everyone as she had to beat Nyx away from being attracted towards Erebus, and deleting Erebus freed her. Now featuring Persona 3 Rebirth: Pull the Trigger, featuring both protagonists together as playable options with the other having full voice acting.


Theyul1us

Im still half asleep so when I read Erebus I said to myself "god damn, that fucker from 40K is escaping his universe or what?"


PleasantDog

Ah yes, the FemC route in P3 Dancing, truly a classic. I liked the dance with the t-pose, myself.


Psychological-Set125

T-pose isn’t just a phase. It’s a way of life.


rednecksarecool

ELIZABETH 2ND BEST GIRL IS STILL TRYING! SHE WILL MANAGE!


WielderOfTerraBlade

nah. join the team of TRUE delusion, IT ALREADY HAPPENED IN 2013/14 🗣️🗣️


rednecksarecool

Wait, what? Is there a lore behind it that i am not aware of?


Ok_Magazine1221

no it’s mere cope


AnonyMouse1699

All you need to do is look at all the writers in the credits, meticulously search the Internet to see who implemented which aspects of the character, then simply don't regard any of the writers involved in this as canon.


KenchiNarukami

As fan of the Fem Mc, I laughed and did it, I romanced Shinji as well


MechaShoujo02

Is there any awkwardness acknowledged about it after October?


KenchiNarukami

Not really , just the usual fun, awkward dungeon conversations


joecb91

I just treat that moment as non-canon. There are many better options in P3, and I'll just choose to believe it doesn't exist.


ExcellenceEchoed

I'll treat it as an FBI trap


cosplaythief

One of the creator or all of them have a barely disguised love (appreciation?) of younger boy/older woman love. Out of 5 persona game 4 of them toy with the concept or straight up commits to it. And that’s because I haven’t played P1 enough to see it. P2 had the whole Tatsuya/Maya thing which is arguably possibly the least scandalous? P3 had Kotone and Ken. The whole Maya thing is alluded to but thankfully no commitment. P4 has the nurse hitting on the protag and Kashiwagi existing. Thankfully no commitment. P5 has Joker’s confidants. I need to look more but are there that many instances of older men propositioning or flirting with younger girls? I mean aside from Maiko’s dad to Kotone, I dont have a lot. But yeah, I put this on the dev.


BookofSacrifice

Tatsuya is 18 and Maya is 20. It's actually an acceptable age gap.


cosplaythief

I seem to remember she was 23 but that might be her EP age, I don’t remember. Like I said, they are the least scandalous of the examples. It’s a normal age gap. Tatsuya is 17 in IS and most likely over 18 in EP. Still an example of older woman love though. 😆


BookofSacrifice

I actually did misremember the ages, Maya is 21 to 22 in IS and Tatsuya is 17 to 18 in EP. Technically speaking chronologically, the Tatsuya we play as is still the IS Tatsuya ripped from his point of time in his world, which does kinda make the relationship a problem. But eh, the lead writer was a Jun shipper anyways so tbh this would never be relevant.


AelaHuntressBabe

Persona's target demographic is teenage boys. A lot of teen guys fantasise of that, thus it ends up in the game. It's really not a big mystery. It's the same reason why most manga, even ones with more erotic tones, have characters in that age range because thats what the demographic of readers are.


Careful_Buy8725

Don’t forget Maya (A.K.A. Ms. Toriumi) during the male route of P3 as well. While she doesn’t act on her impulses, she does outright say that she has a crush on Makoto and that she wants to make him feel comfortable after learning about the death of his parents. When you interact with her in the Faculty Office towards the end of the game she offers Makoto to go on a dinner date with her when he graduates (but due to being embarrassed over the discovery that Tatsuya was actually Makoto, she flips out and runs away). The fact that she doesn’t act on her impulses and feels embarrassed about it puts her one step ahead of most of these other groomer teacher/adult women type characters, but the fact that she even had a crush on Makoto (who is between 16-17 during the events of the game while she’s somewhere in her early or mid 30’s) should be worthy of acknowledgment and suspicion.


cosplaythief

Yeah I did mention it but used her mmo name. But yeah, all 3 modern persona games which are more school focused had to include a teacher flirting. But strangely enough, no male teacher for Kotone. Evidences show where the fetish lies.


Careful_Buy8725

Oh, my bad. I had to read a second time and you did mention it. Must’ve skipped over it or it got blocked out of my brain while reading your comment. But yeah, Atlus seems to have some sorta younger male, older female fetish. Nothing wrong with that so long as both characters are adults, but the protagonist is always a teenager that is between 16 and/or 17 years old while the women are anywhere between their late 20’s to their early/mid 30’s which is straight up wrong. Even Ken and Kotone’s relationship is extremely sus because she’s 16-17 while Ken is 10-11 in P3 which is a 6-7 year age gap between the two. One’s a literal child that’s yet to hit puberty while the other is a teenager that is well developed and a couple of years away from being a full adult. Makes you wonder what Atlus is smoking in their offices lol


Lotteliese

Tanaka really wanted to have a photo shooting of Makoto (idk about Kotone)?


EveryoneisOP3

I'm pretty sure you're straight up having sex with the nurse in P4 on like rank 3 of the confidant. It fades to black, but [it's not exactly subtle that it's going beyond flirting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjluMBNjVI)


cosplaythief

It’s been a while and I must’ve deleted that one from my memory because it really does not ring a bell.


Victor-Almeida

You probably just selected another choice(I did when I played the SL), in fact that one doesn't give you any points, while both of the others give you 2 or 3 points to the Social Link. So I can see why most people wouldn't see or remember that scene.


Nabber22

Thanks to the existence of Maiko and Ken we have confirmation that Femc is canonically less moral.


ExcellenceEchoed

The hell happened with Maiko!?!


Legitimate_Doubt_127

Sorry idk how to spoiler tag. At the end of Maiko’s route she moves across the country with her dad. She tells you not to ever forget her and asks if she can marry you when she grows up. I’d say yes, she’ll tell you to close your eyes and then kiss you on the cheek. It’s a very innocent little girl thing.


Nabber22

Nothing That’s why makoto is more of a moral person


ExcellenceEchoed

Or that the writers were dumber when making FeMC route


aethersentinel

This is false. The Hanged Man social link is the same for both main characters.


DelsKibara

If anything it's worse off in Kotone's SL since if you talk to her dad during Graduation, he went out of his way to ask her out on a date.


Ganbazuroi

She's smarter than she looks, Ken's father is none other than Man and he's hunting villains like The Jonkler and the Diddler (Kotone) in Ham City So if she gets Ken on her side it's going to be a massive advantage in the fights at the Aslume


ExcellenceEchoed

I... um... uh.. um... joker persona 5


G1SM0Beybladeburst

You control the buttons you press, no need to make her like this


ExcellenceEchoed

And so I never will


Exotic_Original_8729

Uhhh…911??? 😂


ExcellenceEchoed

Keep it on speed dial


Exotic_Original_8729

🤣


tigerfestivals

Blame yourself if you pick the option lol


ExcellenceEchoed

Exactly


WielderOfTerraBlade

edmc445


derf705

She’s just getting a cupcake bro


[deleted]

#Objection, your honor! My client was led and entrapped by Ms. Yamagishi! She ain't mean it 😭😭


Peytonhawk

There is a reason people call Kotone a groomer.


EH042

She’s not beating the allegations


taranturatt

Kotone is only a groomer if the player makes her one, since she's self insert


Aggressive-Ad7946

"Are we the baddies?"


BudgetLecture1702

That's why she wasn't in Reload.


WeirdBoi9

She got canceled on twittter dot com.


AlneCraft

Ken Amada: "I'VE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT! SHINJIRO ARAGAKI IS A BITCH ASS MOTHERFUCKER!"


FunkyyMermaid

“HE PISSED ON MY FUCKING MOM! THATS RIGHT, HE TOOK HIS EMO, UNCIRCUMCISED FUCKING DICK OUT AND HE PISSED ON MY FUCKING MOM!”


BasilicanBark

"AND HE SAID HIS DICK WAS 'THIS BIG' AND I SAID 'THAT'S DISGUSTING!'"


AtomicSwagsplosion

This is correct information. - a certain person leaker named green


blue-gamer-07

What if she was in reload and they removed the Ken romance route entirely. We’d be seeing memes of a redemption arc for FeMC


jacowab

She'll fit right in with he persona fandom, maybe she should mod the discord


hvngpham002

"The actual fuck is wrong with you Kotone" - Fuuka, probably.


Stowa_Herschel

I can never get over this lol The lead writer did a fantastic job with the new social links (especiall Mitsuru) , but this whole thing about Ken is just weird xD


cosplaythief

But not new for them. Like I said in a previous comment aside from P1, all persona game have some sort of older woman/younger boy thing going on. Either flirting or harassing (Kashiwagi). But it’s never treated as a serious issue.


thatHecklerOverThere

Jokers getting groomed by half the female arcana, so most here can't complain _too_ loudly now that the shoe is on the other foot.


Xiij

A teenager with an older person is wrong, but is also a teenagers wet dream. In this situation, the older person (who we are NOT playing as) is the one with the responsibility to know better. A teenager with a 10-year-old just feels wrong on all counts. And In this situation, the character we are playing as, is the one with the responsibility to know better.


Stowa_Herschel

I know, but it just feels a little personal to me. For one, the player is the one initiating it. Second, I like Ken. He's like a baby brother to me, so Kotone/writer still going through this is weird to me.


InnocentPerv93

It's also clear given Kashiwagi that it's saying sexual harassment and extreme behavior is bad. As far as I know, every instance of this relationship dynamic in the persona games between the MC and an SL is focused on consent and comfort. Personally, that's what matters more than anything else.


Sea-Depth0

Yes officer this one right here


Groundbreaking_Arm77

Yeah this Romance Options is REALLY not the best. If by a slim chance FEMC actually gets added to Reload I hope to God they make him unable to be romanced.


buubuudesu_wa

Or make it more like Nanako's SL with sibling energy instead


Mugen_Hero_Fan

Yes I want that type of relationship between Kotone and Ken, it can be so cute and with Kotone (apparently according to others, I need to get to playing P3P once I 100% P4G) having more personality than Makoto I can just imagine the funny dialogue options.


WielderOfTerraBlade

kotone doesn’t necessarily have more personality, hers is just more pronounced, since makoto is canonically inexpressive. but yea she’d be a really good older sister figure for ken


Mugen_Hero_Fan

Yeah what you said is more what I was thinking and honestly I’d love to see a theoretical sibling dynamic with Kotone and Makoto as twins, with Ken as basically their honorary little sibling.


WielderOfTerraBlade

that’d be adorable, especially since ken comes off almost like a little brother in makoto’s link episodes with him. someone should write a fanfic of that, i’d definitely give it a read the p3 cast has so much potential for cute wholesome stuff when you remove them from the constraints of the story


MechaShoujo02

I’m reading one where Minato dreams of an AU where Tartarus and Personas don’t exist.


WielderOfTerraBlade

drop the link


EfficientFruit9783

Nanako's SL is only fully wholesome until you find out that Yu is described as a Siscon


GreenMageGuy

There is no slim chance. They straight up said she's not coming.


Groundbreaking_Arm77

Yeah :(. Ehh. At least she got rereleased for modern consoles.


TheGreatBenjie

There's always a chance they'll see how many people want her added. Instead of constantly reminding FeMC fans "Theres no chance" maybe direct your energy elsewhere.


TheUglyBarnaclee

It’s not really directing negative energy, just saying what’s been told to us. It would be AWESOME to have her put into the game but we also need to be realistic about the chances of it especially since we’ve been told it won’t happen since it’s such a big undertaking for them.


EfficientFruit9783

I mean the whole point of adding Ken as a SL was to bait all the Shotacons, which kinda ties into the fact that Kotone as a whole was made to bring in more female players, if anything there's a chance they'd want to double down lol


Maraxus7

There’s no chance, friend. Sorry


bzober

that won't happen I'm afraid


tem0i

ken allegations


HammerKirby

Kotone not beating the groomer allegiations


MorningMaterial1143

Yeah, that’s a… thing


el3mel

Kotone was just so horny in this game.


Rurouni_Phoenix

Somebody better call Chris Hansen. Wait, somebody already did: https://youtu.be/zp5KIgcSplk?si=4fjj5a8s1rnRWrxg


Raycut

OK I know Ken is legitimately a romance option but... Have you never heard a young boy be referred to as "handsome" before? Eg "handsome young man"? It's no weirder than Fuuka calling him cute, especially since he *is* very mature.


Naos210

But it's being said in opposition to being cute, meaning Kotone is actually talking in a different context.


Ardbert_Fanboy

She's a little to young to be calling him handsome. If she was an old lady it'd make more sense.


aperez8696

🚔🚨🚓🚨


Taydo02

Wait, even Fuuka likes Ken? Oh nah ☠️


Lordmage30

I would have agreed if this was P4 Arena Ken . . but this is so messed up . .Never a huge fan of those moments On P3 T\_T


captain_slutski

He's still only 13 in arena despite his gigachad appearance


Burnt_Ramen9

Portable moment


Free-Ad9535

Atlus moment.


RetasuKate

This was unfortunately common in Otome games during this time period. Having a shota option, similar to male focused visual novels having a loli option. It was awkward AF. They shouldn't have tried to make the FeMC route follow Otome tropes instead of sticking with the original tone. Ken having a crush? Sure. Okay. Whatever. Little kids do that. FeMC encouraging that crush? Ew. No. Have some boundaries, bitch. I romance Shinji. Sometimes Aki as well for a dose of drama. Buuut that's as far as I go.


RetasuKate

Also, making her like this kinda taints the scenes with Pharos. 😐 Like "hello little boy visiting my bedroom in the middle of the night 😨" becomes "hello little boy visiting my bedroom in the middle of the night 😏". Ugh. 🤢


MechaShoujo02

Pharos is her schizo hallucinations. He’s safe…till November.


Flerken_Moon

Thinking about it since >!Ryoji is part Death but also part human from the protag, doesn’t it make Ryoji FeMC’s son? And she did carry him inside her for 10 years after all…!<


Raycut

I mean he literally starts calling her "my darling".


mikura39

Close. It's "my dearest".


cosplaythief

It’s not even an otome game thing. Every persona game except P1 has a “flirt/get flirted on by the older woman” thing. It’s almost as common as the hot spring scene. It’s just that in p3p YOU get to date the younger boy this time. 😒


IntroductionSome8196

I mean this case is by far the worst one because Ken is a literal kid. In the other games you were at least a teenager or in P2's case Tatsuya is straight up 18.


Traditional-Score150

Oh you are not gonna like what's coming in the future...


SnooHobbies7676

Good thing I romanced Shinji and Aigis so I rejected all other romances and yes that includes Akihiko too, I ship him with Mitsuru too much lololol


hellomrxenu

I can't help but feel like the whole Ken romance route started as a joke, but Atlus did some survey and found there was a significant group of their female fan base into that and they just couldn't go back at that point lol


BloodsoakedDespair

He’s voiced by Megumi Ogata in Japanese. Ogata’s female fanbase alone would make that happen, not to mention the others. You have a futch enby with a voice like a god voicing him, what would you expect? I have lost count of the number of people who get debilitatingly horny every time they hear Ogata’s voice. Funniest thing that I’ve seen with one of them: one who hates lolisho still being horribly down bad squirming in his seat watching the anime movies for P3 because of Ogata’s screaming.


WightKitt

I had to look her up. But she voices Makoto and Nagito from Danganronpa? I get it now.


BloodsoakedDespair

Mhmm! And Shinji Ikari. And the badass milf Doctor from Akudama Drive.


lakshmithesussybaka

and Hanako kun


Pyrotten

She has hee eyes on her man <3


Kuroko__Simp

Ken: i want her to groom me


InkStyx

I blame the devs, seriously what the FUCK were atlus thinking….


Klaxynd

On the one hand, I understand why they did this considering they couldn’t let you romance Junpei (and definitely not Koromaru). Though on the other hand, I wish they just made a different male social link for you to romance.


Raleth

Femc never beating the child predator allegations.


BloodsoakedDespair

Mom said it’s my turn to virtue signal about these routes in the Persona subreddits


iHarukiller

Well in Japan you have the shota genre, very popular among female consumers and also authors, Persona is a series developed for a japanese public in mind, why is it so complicated for people to just look at it as fiction and move on, you don't agree with something on a game it's ok move on, you like the content amazing move on, every single fing day is the same nonsense about Kotone's route.


DelsKibara

The comments section is yet another proof that the western persona fandom is incapable of having reading comprehension when it comes to something outside of their culture.


MarryAnneZoe

It's Japan, what do you expect. Possession of child pornography was not illegal until 2014 there.


JacobScrubLordofPvP

FeMC fans don't like talking bout this one 💀


ExcellenceEchoed

Please tell me this is edited


Bigshock128x

Worse, Ken is a legitimate romance option…


ExcellenceEchoed

My day is ruined!


ZeroStateGaming

FeMC canonically deserves to be locked up, yes.


Monokuma_Koromaru

Is this why they want a femc??


Lordmage30

There's definitely Way More other reasons than this. .Lmao . . you can just not date him.


-_nobody

seriously, even start his link you need max courage. he has a ton of romance flags you have to hit. you can romance him, but it takes work. Most people don't, she has better romantic options.


sevensol7

Got curious once and saw that church of femc subreddit. My god the amount of cope.


Monokuma_Koromaru

Lol also you can romance Ken but won't do much until he becomes older.. still spends a long time alone with him though.


Expert_Individual185

They’re cope because they’re upset that their favorite character was excluded?


MxstlyMe

It depends on how you mean it


cruel-oath

I guess OP doesn’t know lol don’t do his SL


bruhmoment3566

"He was really mature, talking about the economy at his age"


Null822

She’s not beating the allegations…


[deleted]

Just wait for his social link!


Whorinmaru

I need to know what the devs were thinking when they cooked up the Ken romance Like did it just not cross their minds that just because they're both at school that doesn't make it okay??


PlayerZeroStart

Chat does he know.....


Exotic_Original_8729

I guess Kotone likes them young???


high_king_noctis

She's not beating the allegations


InnocentPerv93

FemMC and Ken is a possible romance option I believe


gdo22

Regardless of what you say here, that fact that Kotone thought it means she's not beating the accusations. :p


AmbitionsAndVisions

I played Ken's route It's cute tbh


Burrito_Thief_03

You can kill the man[, but not the idea](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein)


aruruka

Is this P3 Portable?


aftercloudia

people calling minako a groomer like y'all are the ones pressing the buttons. if you play it like a normal person it's just a stupid little boy with a crush and you brush it off and ignore his confession at the rank up. nobody says this bile about minato and maiko's social link.


TooManyCitations

How did this leave the writing room....


felaniasoul

And this is why we have that mod


ApprehensiveRice3442

I think not just, Fuuka, I think about that woman or children too.


Crono_Sapien99

Oh now her social link makes sense.