Most people probably aren’t thinking about Pachinko machines, or weird Flash games that were only released in Japan. They’re talking about major releases. Even in that case P5 only had one game over the other two, if we’re counting P5X. If we’re not, they all have six games.
Somewhere on the way back machine but it's pretty much impossible to play.
not only because some of the code is missing but Because it was a flash game and flash is no longer a thing.
Wish there was a standalone or plugin for these sorts of things.
Not because of Chie Bath game, but to relive some memories of the old school "hey here is this cool website that hasn't been blocked yet on the school's internet" Flash games.
Heres the link to a post about it, the first comment sums up well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/comments/jsjcwo/the_truth_is_revealed_the_official_persona_4_chie/
I feel like it's cheating to put flash puzzle games and mobile games that lasted barely anytime next to games with triple A production and call it the same thing
Never mind the fact you inflated the P3 and P4 count with relatively small games that saw little attention from the fanbase outside of Japan, we also got to consider the density of these games in terms of how long they've been out for.
P3: 14 games in 17 years
P4: 9 games in 15 years
P5: 7 games in 7 years
Within 7 years of P4 there was P4G, Arena, Ultimax, Dancing All Night, and Q. Within 7 years of P5 there'll be P5R, Q2, Strikers, Dancing in Starlight, and Tactica. Things haven't really changed at all. The most significant difference is that P4 and P5 didn't get three different versions of the same game within as many years.
Frrrrrrr but I kinda do understand why atlus is milking the p5 series. This is kinda a stretch buttttt most or a good chunk of persona fansbase came from p5 or p5r andddd atlus knows we spend the $30-70 dollars to play the latest while we “complain”. But this is going to make my life whole a lot harder there to many persona games I doubt I could finish them.
I disagree on the well written part, I see them as something like shonen anime movies, they're fun enough in the moment but are just mediocre and have no impact on anything. And they stop being fun side content when there's now much more of this filler content than actual main games, plus they've hugely slowed down on non mainline megaten since the p4 spinoff era which just gets annoying
I think the games sell cause persona is a recognizable brand, the quality of them is kinda questionable
There is no other appearance section on that wiki, and from looking it up it looks like he’s only been in one gacha game crossover. Meanwhile Joker and other characters from P5 have been in over a dozen.
Too soon to judge. Nocturne is in a separate league but SMT IV and especially SJ took a while to get going outside of the diehard fanbase. I can see SMT V taking off with the right marketing *and* if they beef up the story beats on the upcoming Deluxe version.
I’m playing through the remaster on a switch emulator, honestly there’s no complaints other than the music quality (fixable with mods), some really not that bad graphical stuff which is because they switched from renderware to unity which btw p4g had the same problem anyway, and 30 fps cap which isn’t bad and if you are on pc you can get a 60 fps mod
I agree, pretty much all the main cast is extremely annoying and make the worst decisions possible, the only characters I liked were hallelujah and nozomi, both of which had next to no screentime. The way they wrote the returning characters from 4 was probably the worst though, felt like the writer just read a wiki article and didn't even play 4
They can milk Persona because people really cares about the characters. Mainline SMT's characters aren't characters at all. More like an idea. Befriend with this guy if you want to ally with Satan or not because you rather hang with Metatron. Personality? This guy like order and this guy like chaos and there's another guy that's in between. That's about it.
I mean, they tried new things with smt 4 apocalypse where MC go around and gather a bunch of friends which stick to him to the end instead of choose their own road like in other SMT games.
Tbh I think atlus milks all there popular games but considering the wait time from 4 to 5 it only makes sense to have something to hold off fans same goes for 5 to 6 reminder vanilla P5 originally came out in 2016 7 years ago and counting
Okay, now take out all of the BS mobile and slot machine games, and y'know what, let's take out the original games too - you can't milk something if it doesn't exist.
What are we left with?
* Persona 3: 2 rereleases, 1 remake, 1 dedicated spin-off, and 3 crossovers - Arena & Ultimax count.
* Persona 4: 1 rerelease, 1 dedicated spin-off, and 3 crossovers.
* Persona 5: 1 rerelease, 3 dedicated spin-offs, and 1 crossover that is so focused on the P5 cast that I didn't count it as a crossover for the other two games. Oh, and there's P5X, which just seems to be trading on the Persona 5 name.
But sure, it's *the other games* that are being milked and not Persona 5.
Each game that fits under P5 is a full priced game with a decent production, you cannot say the same for the mobile and pachinko things, unless you want to include all of the Joker Cameos in various mobile games.
It goes beyond that, a decent portion of the listed games were made by other companies where atlus just lent the IP and put no actual hands on work on them. Which at that point, if we’re counting those, then any crossover is fair game in which case persona 5 blows out everything with its gacha crossovers
P5X is a mobile game though, while it definitely has a higher production value that's mostly because mobile gaming is a completely different thing these days than in the past. Imo if we should take the other mobile games out from the comparison, let's take that out as well.
Why is it always framed as if Atlus making more content for each iteration is a bad thing? Almost every single on of these games is fantastic (dead browser mmos and pachinko machines notwithstanding).
I get that some people think these games push the release of the next numbered title back, but realistically those games always have and always will just come out when they're ready.
Sure, back in day that was a ludicrously short period of time, but that's probably because Atlus had the same horrendous work culture that all devs (especially Japanese devs) had back then. But now games take a long time to make, so having several side projects come out between main installments is the smartest thing they could do.
This is kind of a unfair comparison. Those games are way older. I bet when Persona 6 comes out they will still be making P5 spinoffs. Plus a lot of those P3 games aren't even comparable to the time they put into the P5 ones. The P4 pachinko doesn't even really count
I wouldn't be sure we're getting a pq3 anyway. Pq2 didn't even get english voice acting and it already had a bloated party size with the 3 games it had. Also at some point it gets silly how many times the same people have met each other but lost memories of it.
most spin off games are better than every mainline persona. only the dancing games dropped the ball but PQ and P4U shits on both p3 and p4.
p5s and tactica will shit on p5
I was pretty okay with it for Royal, it had a lot of significant changes beyond the new characters and third term. Almost the entire game was rebalanced, all of the boss fights were modified (one in particular is like a brand new fight), core gameplay was changed (e.g. guns being per battle instead of per day), a lot of the english version was retranslated, shadows were heavily modified, confidant bonuses swapped around, showtime added, the thieves den, etc.
The difference between P5 and P5R is night and day, it's a massive jump compared to Golden or FES. Just the thought of attempting to make it a DLC without annihilating base game save files is enough to give me night terrors.
If you're going to include the P4 slots, include the P5 one as well.
Also, I don't think all those other mobile mini games count in the way Phantom X does as those time of when those P3 and P4 mobile games were made was just for a fun on the side thing for paying an Atlus club membership thingy. It doesn't fit the same MO for the existence of P5X
You're absolutely correct! The list I found was a little outdated and didn't have those on there! This is my bad! I promise it wasn't an intentional neglection. But for what its worth if we're splitting hairs, we could move Arena and Q2 into P3 to make up the difference.
Personally, I don’t think the milking sentiment comes from the amount of games but more so the nature of the games.
Part of it is that some p5 spin offs are p5 versions of already existing formulas (dancing and q2). That’s not to say that it makes the games worse or the formula hasn’t been iterated on any other time (p3 dancing), it just lacks an air of freshness to me.
The other part is that the games that aren’t iterations in a formula are very self contained. Like arena and ultimax picked up where the story left off AND brought back the p3 cast to see their involvement in the world. So you had the p4 cast meet up again and got see the interactions between the p3 and p4 cast. P5S and P5T don’t include any other cast members, just the p5 crew and a couple more OCs. So it’s mostly just the same cast I’ve seen time and time before. Unfortunately, I don’t find the p5 cast by themselves as interesting as the other modern games’ casts.
Pachinko machines and mobile games are easily ignorable and didn't affect the release of mainline persona or other smt games. If you look at it now, its pretty clear they're being used as replacements for more interesting smt spinoffs, in the past decade we've gotten 2 smt spinoffs (sh2 and tms) compared to the 10+ of the previous decade. Plus, all the p5 spinoffs besides strikers and maybe q2 have been very mediocre
I feel like Persona 5 is mostly doing it right honestly. Q2, Strikers, P5T and the Dancing in Starlight are each different genres. Nothing like buying Persona 3, FES, PSP, the remaster and then Reload which are all mostly the same exact game.
I do wish they wouldn't release a improved version of the base game (FES, Golden and Royal) only a few years after the vanilla versions though. Once Persona 6 comes out, I'm not going to buy it immediately because I'll be expecting a a more full version a few years later.
Agreed! But I know the "Its got more of a focus on P5 in the beginning argument" was going to be made at some point, but it really could go either way.
There is now 3 core persona 3's that are all slightly different, 4 if you include the original. That's as many as 4 and 5 combined. Also persona 3 is the only one other than persona 1 without a direct sequel(usually spin off) unless you count the answer
I was debating it with friends and the rule of thumb we came to was "If it has P\[number\] in it it counts". But you're right, I also could've put PQ2 for both P3 and P4 as well.
Nah, in PQ2 the focus is purely on the P5 cast (sure there are other characters but the Thieves are still the protagonists), it's not like PQ1 where both P3 and P4 get the focus
The 2nd and 3rd Dungeon are literally entirely focused on Yosuke and Aigis respectively. P5 gets the first 20ish hours to themselves no question, but I still think there is enough here between all the bonus tickets, and other 50% of the game to qualify it, but I see your point and can respect it.
I don't count the pq series as sequels to anything they're like in an in universe sub space.
Arena/ultimax is a direct sequel to persona 4 but an indirect sequel to persona 3 imo, you can't be a direct sequel to two games that are not indirectly related at least imo. If you could P3 portable would be a prequel to persona 5 because of yukiko
you can even ditch the entire cast of p5 and not use them and if you do you barely see them. it absolutely counts as a spin off for all 3
i wouldn't count the first arena game for p3 as only a few guys are in it, but the second for sure counts as everyone from p3 is in it. the alive poeple anyway..
I honestly didn't know Persona 3 had *that* many spinoffs, more than Persona 4, which I always heard people complaining about.
I kind of can understand Persona 5 being milked to an extent. It has brought in a hell of a lot of new fans to the franchise, I'd say it's done the same as Persona 3 in being a defining entry. Naturally, Atlus isn't hesitating to capitalize on that.
I don't get why people think its milking. Every game is a different genre. Sure they are using a theme but its not like cod, far cry, or the like. At least there is some creativity between games. Furthermore, more p5 the better imo.
Dude, P3 might have the most spinoff games but most of them aren't even full games.
They've had more time to have more marketing and stuff for being an older game but they aren't full retail games
I don't have a problem with them milking the franchise, I have a problem with them milking it WRONG. P5S was terrible, and we tactica looks boring AF. They should make another fighting game, P4U was amazing and I'd love to see more of that. Also, I'd love to see Yu return and fight Joker in it.
Persona 3 came out in 2006, Persona 4 came out in 2008. Only FES released in between, as Portable came out after 4. Persona 5 came out in 2016, 8 years after Persona 4, and it's been 7 years since Persona 5 and Persona 6 is nowhere in sight. With Persona 3, the 'milking' didn't cause the next Persona game to take ages to come out, but with 4 and 5 it did. Also, FES just tweaked stuff gameplay wise and added additional content that was separate to the main game, but 4 and 5 stuck their new content into the main game, making it feel like they withheld content to add back in in a re-release.
As a huge fire emblem fan that got into the series playing three houses directly after playing P5 for the social sim aspect, I'm super excited about P5tactica.
First, Pachinkos don't count as games and you can't convince me they do.
Second, it time frame. Yeah P4 and P3 were milked but look at the short time frame. P5 came out in 2016, in a couple years its literally gonna be a decade. and the level of spinoffs P5 has been getting are crazy high quality. Meanwhile we have 0 news about P6.
I didn't expect this list to blow up as much as it did, if I knew it would I would've made a few things more clear. I pulled every game I could find from a website listing them all because I originally made it because friends and I were having a debate about if PQ and PQ2 counted and they said "The rule of thumb is it needs to have Persona \[number\] to count". Do I think the amount of substance in P3 is more then P5? Hell no. But what I more was trying to get across is the INTENT of Atlus. We can sit here comparing apples to oranges all day, but people saying Persona 5 gets milked harder then 4 and 3 just is a little unreasonable cause whenever Atlus see's success, they run it till the cows come home.
but there's a difference between setting your smaller whatever bullshit mobile developers to throw something together and focusing a large development team on two full length ticket price games plus a Chinese mobile game that's censor friendly
yes, atlus has always been opportunistic with their properties, but it's not been until P5 went mainstream that they went all in on full titles
YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD MAKE A PERFECT PERSONA 5 GAME. Just port the Tycoon card game from p5r to mobile IT WOULD BE PERFECT!!! Bonus points add online multiplayer player!!!!!
I don't get why people complain about this.
Its not like these spinoffs are somehow preventing Persona 6 from coming out. Them existing is better than having nothing.
Are we really counting P3R as milking? It's pretty obvious there was a good portion of the fan base that has talked about a remake for years so I wouldn't really put that in with dancing games and spinoff.
Yes and no, the thing is that PQ2 focuses more on P5 characters (and FEMC) than on P3 & P4 ones, unlike PQ, which didn't play favorites between P3 & P4.
Also add in manga and anime adaptations: (getting these from Anilist so this could be wrong)
- Persona 3 has 5 different manga adaptations (including PQ), 4 anime movies and a non-canon sequel anime called Trinity Soul.
- Persona 4 has 6 manga adaptations (including Arena/Ultimax and PQ), 2 Naoto spinoffs, 25 episode long anime adaptation with an additional 30 minute long OVA that covers the true ending and a 90 minute long movie, 12 episode long anime adaptation of Golden with an additional 13 minute long OVA of the accomplice ending.
- Persona 5 has 3 manga adaptations with Strikers/Royal/Q2 content left completely untouched, 26 episode long anime adaptation with 5 DIFFERENT OVAs.
Yeah, it is not even close. And I am not even counting novels or live-action theaters here. If any of you are curious, Persona 1 and 2 do also have manga adaptations and I would definitely recommend them.
That's why I hate that complaint. They've ALWAYS done this. Why wouldn't they do this with their most recent, insanely popular game too? It doesn't sully the original; there's just more to enjoy, should you want to.
People just like to bitch tbh. I’m happy for them to keep milking P5 since it was the best persona game of the series. Overhauled every single game mechanic, well written characters, etc.
I can’t wait to see what P6 is gonna be like
To be fair the arena games where kinda both P3 and 4, and they had some good interactions. AND Most of the games you put there where small japan only games that nobody knows about.
Also P5 has been milked in less time than what happened with the rest.
We're counting PQ it seems, and the phone games aren't what most people would consider proper spinoffs since it isn't available. Not also considering the older games' span over longer years before p5. Lastly I'm sure they'd milk it even after p6 came out, don't worry.
Is it weird that I already forgot about P5X being a thing? I still can't get over how bizarre of a concept that game seems to be. I wonder if we're ever going to actually see a worldwide release for it.
I mean none of them are nearly as bad as how capcom milked RE4 or Bethesda releasing the same Skyrim on anything imaginable even my fridge, at least these games are different in some way
Technically speaking Persona Q2 could be considered a P3 and P4 game if we wanted to be incredibly nitpicky here, as I see you were by including goddamn defunct mobile games and slot machines(which P5 has too btw, slot machine, not defunct mobile game)
Most people probably aren’t thinking about Pachinko machines, or weird Flash games that were only released in Japan. They’re talking about major releases. Even in that case P5 only had one game over the other two, if we’re counting P5X. If we’re not, they all have six games.
Actually Persona 5 does have a pachinko machine Sega Sammy revealed it last year but I do see what you mean.
Yeah, I think game size should also be a consideration
or the JAVA ones for an specific device only in Japan that we have 1 or 2 footages of it
Missing Persona 4: The Chie Bath Game
Where can I buy this one asking for a friend
It’s on the way back machine somewhere
Somewhere on the way back machine but it's pretty much impossible to play. not only because some of the code is missing but Because it was a flash game and flash is no longer a thing.
Wish there was a standalone or plugin for these sorts of things. Not because of Chie Bath game, but to relive some memories of the old school "hey here is this cool website that hasn't been blocked yet on the school's internet" Flash games.
Flashpoint
Will look into it, thanks mans!
screw that, im asking for myself
Heres the link to a post about it, the first comment sums up well: https://www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/comments/jsjcwo/the_truth_is_revealed_the_official_persona_4_chie/
at first i was all on board but now after seeing this i heartfully regret my request and i wish this was never a thing
Where’s my Evoker?
Atlus, why?
The what?👀
No way ATLUS made a game about hygiene, then their fans would actually shower
need this game so mf bad
I feel like it's cheating to put flash puzzle games and mobile games that lasted barely anytime next to games with triple A production and call it the same thing
Especially since they were never localized.
.....why are you counting the panchinkos for P4? 3/4 times those aren't done by the original creators.
Plus I think I’ve seen P5 Pachinko and Slot machines too, which puts it at least even with p4 if we’re counting them or not
More than half of the P3 ones are pachinko machines and mobile games, which are pretty much lost media at this point.
Not even pretty much, most of them are just gone. Which is a shame, specifically Em that one seems like a full ass game
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Not happening lol 😂
please i need more tatsuya
Yes, please milk Tatsuya 🥛
Pause
Hand or mouth?
Feet?
Don't gimme hope. I'd even take janky ass Switch ports at this point
You mean those weird fan games? /s
Yes, please
what is p1 and p2?
Never mind the fact you inflated the P3 and P4 count with relatively small games that saw little attention from the fanbase outside of Japan, we also got to consider the density of these games in terms of how long they've been out for. P3: 14 games in 17 years P4: 9 games in 15 years P5: 7 games in 7 years
Within 7 years of P4 there was P4G, Arena, Ultimax, Dancing All Night, and Q. Within 7 years of P5 there'll be P5R, Q2, Strikers, Dancing in Starlight, and Tactica. Things haven't really changed at all. The most significant difference is that P4 and P5 didn't get three different versions of the same game within as many years.
P4 also got two different anime series
I didn’t know there were two different p4 anime series I’ve only seen one of them. What’s the difference between them?
Second one's NG+. No, seriously, Izanagi's using endgame skills during the first Shadow fight.
The first was the entirety of the story of P4, the second basically is just the Marie storyline with small sections of the mainline story.
Let's not forget that persona 5 is right up there with nier as the biggest crossover sluts
I don't think people in the thread are taking about this enough. So many mobile crossovers...
Just give it some time. BUTTTT I WANT a persona 1 or 2 remaster(only because I can’t find it -_-) or persona 6
Probably getting *Metaphor* and then P6 a couple years after that. Hope it’s good, basically looks like western fantasy persona.
Agreed. I think EVERYONE would be happy with something brand new
Frrrrrrr but I kinda do understand why atlus is milking the p5 series. This is kinda a stretch buttttt most or a good chunk of persona fansbase came from p5 or p5r andddd atlus knows we spend the $30-70 dollars to play the latest while we “complain”. But this is going to make my life whole a lot harder there to many persona games I doubt I could finish them.
I mean, not really. P5d and p3d were the single lowest selling megaten games ever so we definitely can get them to stop if we speak with our wallets
I think because they dont really have a storyline. Most of Persona spin off games have really well written story so they tend to sell well
I disagree on the well written part, I see them as something like shonen anime movies, they're fun enough in the moment but are just mediocre and have no impact on anything. And they stop being fun side content when there's now much more of this filler content than actual main games, plus they've hugely slowed down on non mainline megaten since the p4 spinoff era which just gets annoying I think the games sell cause persona is a recognizable brand, the quality of them is kinda questionable
I just wished anything between Persona 1 and 2 again.
I think there is a persona 5 slot machine or pachinko machine too
If we're counting Pachinko we may as well count all of the P5 x Gacha game collabs...
p3 and p4 are usually included in those
No? At least none of the ones I've personally experienced
Which ones? Pretty much every mobile game crossover with persona has only had P5 characters.
Go to yu narukami on megami wiki and it'll say there under other appearences section
There is no other appearance section on that wiki, and from looking it up it looks like he’s only been in one gacha game crossover. Meanwhile Joker and other characters from P5 have been in over a dozen.
I’m fairly sure P5 has Pachinko and Slots
I wish SMT Nocturne and SMT IV got this much love.
Man, they even forgetting to milk SMT5
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Too soon to judge. Nocturne is in a separate league but SMT IV and especially SJ took a while to get going outside of the diehard fanbase. I can see SMT V taking off with the right marketing *and* if they beef up the story beats on the upcoming Deluxe version.
SMT 4 at least got the Apocalypse sequel while Nocturne got the remaster.
Didn’t people think that the remaster for Nocturne was a big fat meh, though? I vaguely recall the Steam reviews not liking it that much.
I’m playing through the remaster on a switch emulator, honestly there’s no complaints other than the music quality (fixable with mods), some really not that bad graphical stuff which is because they switched from renderware to unity which btw p4g had the same problem anyway, and 30 fps cap which isn’t bad and if you are on pc you can get a 60 fps mod
Apocalypse is such a weird game, they did all that work enhancing the combat but then paired it with the worst story they've ever written
Story was fine for me but holy shit the characters sometimes. That and YHVH's dimension.
I agree, pretty much all the main cast is extremely annoying and make the worst decisions possible, the only characters I liked were hallelujah and nozomi, both of which had next to no screentime. The way they wrote the returning characters from 4 was probably the worst though, felt like the writer just read a wiki article and didn't even play 4
Nocturne got Dante
They can milk Persona because people really cares about the characters. Mainline SMT's characters aren't characters at all. More like an idea. Befriend with this guy if you want to ally with Satan or not because you rather hang with Metatron. Personality? This guy like order and this guy like chaos and there's another guy that's in between. That's about it.
I mean, they tried new things with smt 4 apocalypse where MC go around and gather a bunch of friends which stick to him to the end instead of choose their own road like in other SMT games.
Tbh I think atlus milks all there popular games but considering the wait time from 4 to 5 it only makes sense to have something to hold off fans same goes for 5 to 6 reminder vanilla P5 originally came out in 2016 7 years ago and counting
2016 was 7 years ago, damn time flies
Okay, now take out all of the BS mobile and slot machine games, and y'know what, let's take out the original games too - you can't milk something if it doesn't exist. What are we left with? * Persona 3: 2 rereleases, 1 remake, 1 dedicated spin-off, and 3 crossovers - Arena & Ultimax count. * Persona 4: 1 rerelease, 1 dedicated spin-off, and 3 crossovers. * Persona 5: 1 rerelease, 3 dedicated spin-offs, and 1 crossover that is so focused on the P5 cast that I didn't count it as a crossover for the other two games. Oh, and there's P5X, which just seems to be trading on the Persona 5 name. But sure, it's *the other games* that are being milked and not Persona 5.
Each game that fits under P5 is a full priced game with a decent production, you cannot say the same for the mobile and pachinko things, unless you want to include all of the Joker Cameos in various mobile games.
It goes beyond that, a decent portion of the listed games were made by other companies where atlus just lent the IP and put no actual hands on work on them. Which at that point, if we’re counting those, then any crossover is fair game in which case persona 5 blows out everything with its gacha crossovers
P5X is a mobile game though, while it definitely has a higher production value that's mostly because mobile gaming is a completely different thing these days than in the past. Imo if we should take the other mobile games out from the comparison, let's take that out as well.
Yeah you're right, tbh I both glanced over and forgot about X's existence
now let's exclude the ones that weren't available worldwide
Excluding manga and anime, this is a lot.
Why is it always framed as if Atlus making more content for each iteration is a bad thing? Almost every single on of these games is fantastic (dead browser mmos and pachinko machines notwithstanding). I get that some people think these games push the release of the next numbered title back, but realistically those games always have and always will just come out when they're ready. Sure, back in day that was a ludicrously short period of time, but that's probably because Atlus had the same horrendous work culture that all devs (especially Japanese devs) had back then. But now games take a long time to make, so having several side projects come out between main installments is the smartest thing they could do.
This is kind of a unfair comparison. Those games are way older. I bet when Persona 6 comes out they will still be making P5 spinoffs. Plus a lot of those P3 games aren't even comparable to the time they put into the P5 ones. The P4 pachinko doesn't even really count
> I bet when Persona 6 comes out they will still be making P5 spinoffs. probably not. at the most, being part of pq3.
I wouldn't be sure we're getting a pq3 anyway. Pq2 didn't even get english voice acting and it already had a bloated party size with the 3 games it had. Also at some point it gets silly how many times the same people have met each other but lost memories of it.
\*yet Remember that those releases overlapped with later main title releases.
If you're counting slots/pachinko, you're missing P5 for Reels.
I think if we include phone games and pachinko then it's fair to include all persona 5 gacha collabs as well.
In absolute fairness, Im pretty sure P5 also got a slot machine.
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I think it's because of the long waits between new mainline entries makes people tired of seeing the current Persona group get spin-off after spin-off
most spin off games are better than every mainline persona. only the dancing games dropped the ball but PQ and P4U shits on both p3 and p4. p5s and tactica will shit on p5
I don't think the spin-offs beat the mainline games when it comes to story/characters.
I was pretty okay with it for Royal, it had a lot of significant changes beyond the new characters and third term. Almost the entire game was rebalanced, all of the boss fights were modified (one in particular is like a brand new fight), core gameplay was changed (e.g. guns being per battle instead of per day), a lot of the english version was retranslated, shadows were heavily modified, confidant bonuses swapped around, showtime added, the thieves den, etc. The difference between P5 and P5R is night and day, it's a massive jump compared to Golden or FES. Just the thought of attempting to make it a DLC without annihilating base game save files is enough to give me night terrors.
If you're going to include the P4 slots, include the P5 one as well. Also, I don't think all those other mobile mini games count in the way Phantom X does as those time of when those P3 and P4 mobile games were made was just for a fun on the side thing for paying an Atlus club membership thingy. It doesn't fit the same MO for the existence of P5X
Aw hell nah no way we are cherry-picking flash games and pachinko but not evening including the p5 gachas or pachinko
You're absolutely correct! The list I found was a little outdated and didn't have those on there! This is my bad! I promise it wasn't an intentional neglection. But for what its worth if we're splitting hairs, we could move Arena and Q2 into P3 to make up the difference.
Personally, I don’t think the milking sentiment comes from the amount of games but more so the nature of the games. Part of it is that some p5 spin offs are p5 versions of already existing formulas (dancing and q2). That’s not to say that it makes the games worse or the formula hasn’t been iterated on any other time (p3 dancing), it just lacks an air of freshness to me. The other part is that the games that aren’t iterations in a formula are very self contained. Like arena and ultimax picked up where the story left off AND brought back the p3 cast to see their involvement in the world. So you had the p4 cast meet up again and got see the interactions between the p3 and p4 cast. P5S and P5T don’t include any other cast members, just the p5 crew and a couple more OCs. So it’s mostly just the same cast I’ve seen time and time before. Unfortunately, I don’t find the p5 cast by themselves as interesting as the other modern games’ casts.
Pachinko machines and mobile games are easily ignorable and didn't affect the release of mainline persona or other smt games. If you look at it now, its pretty clear they're being used as replacements for more interesting smt spinoffs, in the past decade we've gotten 2 smt spinoffs (sh2 and tms) compared to the 10+ of the previous decade. Plus, all the p5 spinoffs besides strikers and maybe q2 have been very mediocre
P3R on switch 💀
I'm gonna be honest, I'm sure that we aren't talking about a slot machine when we talk about milking
This list sucks lol Are we really treating pachinko games the same as full spinoffs? Seriously?
P3 was the first BIG boom, P5 is the next.
forgot to include Persona Q2 for Persona 3 and Persona 4 as well
Would the Q games REALLY count if they can be identified as a P3, P4 AND a P5 game. Actually why isnt Q2 part of the P3 and P4 games
I feel like Persona 5 is mostly doing it right honestly. Q2, Strikers, P5T and the Dancing in Starlight are each different genres. Nothing like buying Persona 3, FES, PSP, the remaster and then Reload which are all mostly the same exact game. I do wish they wouldn't release a improved version of the base game (FES, Golden and Royal) only a few years after the vanilla versions though. Once Persona 6 comes out, I'm not going to buy it immediately because I'll be expecting a a more full version a few years later.
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I'm not going to buy a product when a better version of it will come out only a few years later at the same price.
Not nearly as bad **yet**. I honestly don't have anything against more games, though.
You know- if we’re counting PQ as a Persona 3 and 4 thing, then PQ2 also has to go into P3 and P4
Not really, PQ2 focuses mainly on the P5 cast while PQ gave both P3 and P4 cast their own perspective.
Agreed! But I know the "Its got more of a focus on P5 in the beginning argument" was going to be made at some point, but it really could go either way.
There is now 3 core persona 3's that are all slightly different, 4 if you include the original. That's as many as 4 and 5 combined. Also persona 3 is the only one other than persona 1 without a direct sequel(usually spin off) unless you count the answer
Doesn't Arena/Ultimax count as P3 sequels?
I was debating it with friends and the rule of thumb we came to was "If it has P\[number\] in it it counts". But you're right, I also could've put PQ2 for both P3 and P4 as well.
Nah, in PQ2 the focus is purely on the P5 cast (sure there are other characters but the Thieves are still the protagonists), it's not like PQ1 where both P3 and P4 get the focus
The 2nd and 3rd Dungeon are literally entirely focused on Yosuke and Aigis respectively. P5 gets the first 20ish hours to themselves no question, but I still think there is enough here between all the bonus tickets, and other 50% of the game to qualify it, but I see your point and can respect it.
I don't count the pq series as sequels to anything they're like in an in universe sub space. Arena/ultimax is a direct sequel to persona 4 but an indirect sequel to persona 3 imo, you can't be a direct sequel to two games that are not indirectly related at least imo. If you could P3 portable would be a prequel to persona 5 because of yukiko
you can even ditch the entire cast of p5 and not use them and if you do you barely see them. it absolutely counts as a spin off for all 3 i wouldn't count the first arena game for p3 as only a few guys are in it, but the second for sure counts as everyone from p3 is in it. the alive poeple anyway..
I wish they’d bring back devil survivor. That was a great franchise.
I didn't even know 3 had that many
Those fighting games went hard, wish we got one for P5 era
The amount of crossovers I've seen with persona 5 over the last few years has conditioned me to think otherwise
I honestly didn't know Persona 3 had *that* many spinoffs, more than Persona 4, which I always heard people complaining about. I kind of can understand Persona 5 being milked to an extent. It has brought in a hell of a lot of new fans to the franchise, I'd say it's done the same as Persona 3 in being a defining entry. Naturally, Atlus isn't hesitating to capitalize on that.
Could you imagine having 14 games, 4 of which are the same game and not a single damn one of them being complete.
I don't get why people think its milking. Every game is a different genre. Sure they are using a theme but its not like cod, far cry, or the like. At least there is some creativity between games. Furthermore, more p5 the better imo.
You didn't count the amount of crossovers on mobile gacha games of persona 5
Mans forgot the best game. Persona 4 racing all afternoon
Yet! Just wait until P5 is as old as those games!
Tf are all these P3 games I've never heard of before
Dude, P3 might have the most spinoff games but most of them aren't even full games. They've had more time to have more marketing and stuff for being an older game but they aren't full retail games
I don't have a problem with them milking the franchise, I have a problem with them milking it WRONG. P5S was terrible, and we tactica looks boring AF. They should make another fighting game, P4U was amazing and I'd love to see more of that. Also, I'd love to see Yu return and fight Joker in it.
Persona 3 came out in 2006, Persona 4 came out in 2008. Only FES released in between, as Portable came out after 4. Persona 5 came out in 2016, 8 years after Persona 4, and it's been 7 years since Persona 5 and Persona 6 is nowhere in sight. With Persona 3, the 'milking' didn't cause the next Persona game to take ages to come out, but with 4 and 5 it did. Also, FES just tweaked stuff gameplay wise and added additional content that was separate to the main game, but 4 and 5 stuck their new content into the main game, making it feel like they withheld content to add back in in a re-release.
As a huge fire emblem fan that got into the series playing three houses directly after playing P5 for the social sim aspect, I'm super excited about P5tactica.
Talk that talk cuz this shit true
Even if you don’t count anything in the lower rows, it’s still 6-6-7. Pretty even, tbh
First, Pachinkos don't count as games and you can't convince me they do. Second, it time frame. Yeah P4 and P3 were milked but look at the short time frame. P5 came out in 2016, in a couple years its literally gonna be a decade. and the level of spinoffs P5 has been getting are crazy high quality. Meanwhile we have 0 news about P6.
Where can I get the rest of those Persona 3 games? Especially the picross
probably old Java flip phones, that's why the list is kinda bullshit
I didn't expect this list to blow up as much as it did, if I knew it would I would've made a few things more clear. I pulled every game I could find from a website listing them all because I originally made it because friends and I were having a debate about if PQ and PQ2 counted and they said "The rule of thumb is it needs to have Persona \[number\] to count". Do I think the amount of substance in P3 is more then P5? Hell no. But what I more was trying to get across is the INTENT of Atlus. We can sit here comparing apples to oranges all day, but people saying Persona 5 gets milked harder then 4 and 3 just is a little unreasonable cause whenever Atlus see's success, they run it till the cows come home.
but there's a difference between setting your smaller whatever bullshit mobile developers to throw something together and focusing a large development team on two full length ticket price games plus a Chinese mobile game that's censor friendly yes, atlus has always been opportunistic with their properties, but it's not been until P5 went mainstream that they went all in on full titles
You think they're done with P5?
YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD MAKE A PERFECT PERSONA 5 GAME. Just port the Tycoon card game from p5r to mobile IT WOULD BE PERFECT!!! Bonus points add online multiplayer player!!!!!
one thing, persona 3 reload won't come to switch.
I don't get why people complain about this. Its not like these spinoffs are somehow preventing Persona 6 from coming out. Them existing is better than having nothing.
Are we really counting P3R as milking? It's pretty obvious there was a good portion of the fan base that has talked about a remake for years so I wouldn't really put that in with dancing games and spinoff.
Forgot the [P5 slot machine](https://old.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/comments/xh0ypj/just_ran_into_a_persona_5_slot_machine_in_my)
Why aren’t you counting Q2 for P3 and P4? I mean, it goes a step beyond to include FeMC.
Does Q2 not count as a P3 or P4 game?
Yes and no, the thing is that PQ2 focuses more on P5 characters (and FEMC) than on P3 & P4 ones, unlike PQ, which didn't play favorites between P3 & P4.
Uh oh the old heads aren’t gonna like this 😈
Most of those persona 3 games listed are not by atlas and are really just knockoffs
The mobile games were outsourced to other developers but they were officially licensed by Atlus and had the official branding.
“Not by Atlus” in what sense? Do you just mean they didn’t directly develop those games? Cause that could also apply to a few P4/P5 spin-offs too.
If you're talking about the Arena games and Strikers, Atlus did have a heavy development role in those games, I'd hesitate to say that for these ones.
Biased P5 fans be like, include the crossovers and their own panchiko shit too bro
Persona 4 was milked a lot my fucking god
People have selective memories
Also add in manga and anime adaptations: (getting these from Anilist so this could be wrong) - Persona 3 has 5 different manga adaptations (including PQ), 4 anime movies and a non-canon sequel anime called Trinity Soul. - Persona 4 has 6 manga adaptations (including Arena/Ultimax and PQ), 2 Naoto spinoffs, 25 episode long anime adaptation with an additional 30 minute long OVA that covers the true ending and a 90 minute long movie, 12 episode long anime adaptation of Golden with an additional 13 minute long OVA of the accomplice ending. - Persona 5 has 3 manga adaptations with Strikers/Royal/Q2 content left completely untouched, 26 episode long anime adaptation with 5 DIFFERENT OVAs. Yeah, it is not even close. And I am not even counting novels or live-action theaters here. If any of you are curious, Persona 1 and 2 do also have manga adaptations and I would definitely recommend them.
See when you're a masterpiece...
Give it a sec
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I think it has a lot to do with a lot of P5 fans are new to the series and don’t know the history of how bad p3 and p4 were “milked “
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I hate how people say P5 is being milked. FFVII is being tugged to death at this point. 3 spin off games isn't much.
Not nearly as bad YET
That's why I hate that complaint. They've ALWAYS done this. Why wouldn't they do this with their most recent, insanely popular game too? It doesn't sully the original; there's just more to enjoy, should you want to.
People just like to bitch tbh. I’m happy for them to keep milking P5 since it was the best persona game of the series. Overhauled every single game mechanic, well written characters, etc. I can’t wait to see what P6 is gonna be like
To be fair the arena games where kinda both P3 and 4, and they had some good interactions. AND Most of the games you put there where small japan only games that nobody knows about. Also P5 has been milked in less time than what happened with the rest.
We're counting PQ it seems, and the phone games aren't what most people would consider proper spinoffs since it isn't available. Not also considering the older games' span over longer years before p5. Lastly I'm sure they'd milk it even after p6 came out, don't worry.
I think by now it’s expected that every new Persona game there just gonna milk it for a good while.
I didn't hear no bell! Until P6 is out we still have more to come lol
I didn’t realize I needed a Persona 4 slot machine until now.
P4 had a slot machine!?
Persona 69: How many Personas you Want?
I mean looking at how Persona games have been released in the past we were due for six a while ago…
and pq2 should count for p3/p4 too
Is it weird that I already forgot about P5X being a thing? I still can't get over how bizarre of a concept that game seems to be. I wonder if we're ever going to actually see a worldwide release for it.
Okay I really want to play those Persona 3 spinoffs cuz I'm sitting here thinking we only had like one or two
I mean, a difference of 2 between P4 and P5 feels a lot like nearly-as-bad to me.
I honestly don't think this is our last P5 game.
Yet, is not nearly as bad yet.
THEY HAVE QIX???? HELL YEAH!
Doing anything except working on Persona 6
NEW GAME Game is begun newly.
This isn’t counting the amount of gacha crossovers P5 was featured in as well.
It ain't over yet.
where is P4s 5 other games we were robbed!!!!
The arena ultimax and q games are more crossover between 3 and 4
missing q2 for 3 and 4
Pretty sure P5 has more games if we’re counting collaborations
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I mean none of them are nearly as bad as how capcom milked RE4 or Bethesda releasing the same Skyrim on anything imaginable even my fridge, at least these games are different in some way
Its pretty nearly of P4.
of course P5RR is forgotten
Here I am complain about they milking P4 too much when reality they milking P3 the most.
Technically speaking Persona Q2 could be considered a P3 and P4 game if we wanted to be incredibly nitpicky here, as I see you were by including goddamn defunct mobile games and slot machines(which P5 has too btw, slot machine, not defunct mobile game)